Peter- Well, we'll see what happens. Wonder what the time frame might be? Should have asked. Dick Kinkead ----- Original Message ----- From: <info@familytreedna.com> To: <rkinkead11@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Family Tree DNA New Order Confirmation Thank you for ordering the L48,Transfer FeeL48,Transfer Fee tests. Your sample kit number is 2562. The price of your order is $38.50, and the MC credit card ending in ________________ will be charged. We appreciate your business, Family Tree DNA http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com info@familytreedna.com The world's first and largest Genetic Genealogy organization ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Two important announcements > You tested as U106+ (also known as S21+). This is a > fairly large group of R1b which is the dominant clade > in Western Europe. This new L48 SNP looks like it > will break up the U106+ group further. Perhaps > we will find that L48+ represents those who had > continental German origins versus British Isles. Still > lots of sorting out and you are being asked to participate > so you can help pay for figuring things out. It is up > to you whether you want to support this research. > A number of years from now we will likely be able to > have a DNA map of Europe with likely origins of all > these subclades. So far you have been a pioneer > participant with this. > > Best wishes! > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> > To: "Kincaid, Peter A." <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:12 PM > Subject: Fw: Two important announcements > > >> Peter- >> >> I'm not sure what this means. What do you think? >> >> Dick Kinkead >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Dan.Draghici@international.gc.ca> >> To: <rkinkead11@comcast.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:09 AM >> Subject: Two important announcements >> >> >>> We have some important developments in the R1b-U106 that recently occurred. >>> This e-mail is being sent to all project members to inform them of these >>> developments. >>> >>> The first new development is the launching of testing at FTDNA of a new SNP >>> that’s downstream from U106. This SNP is known as L48 and was discovered >>> through testing at 23andMe, another DNA testing company. Several members of >>> the R1b-U106 Project were among those tested at 23andMe. So far of 16 >>> R1b-U106 who are U198- and L1-, 7 have been L48+. This seems to indicate, >>> based on a small sample, that L48 is a large subclade of U106, probably >>> larger than U198 and L1. My guess is that it will take in at least 20-25% of >>> members of the project and perhaps as much as 40-50%. We believe that this >>> is an important SNP for members and the project and definitely worth >>> testing. >>> >>> Based on these results from 23andMe and their own research testing, FTDNA >>> will begin to offer L48 on the “advanced orders” menu on Monday, Feb. 16. >>> The normal price for a single L-series SNP on this menu is $39. After >>> discussing this SNP and its potential with me, Bennett Greenspan agreed to >>> offer the SNP for $29, at least initially, to encourage wide testing among >>> project members. If you have not ordered from the “advanced orders” menu >>> before, there will also be a one-time fee of $9.50 to transfer some of your >>> DNA sample from the University of Arizona lab, where the basic testing for >>> FTDNA is done, to the new FTDNA lab in Houston. >>> >>> Some of you who have been members of the project for several months may >>> remember that FTDNA placed L5 and L6 on the “advanced orders” menu as >>> downstream of U106. They did not initially inform customers that all the >>> evidence they had was that both these SNPs occurred very recently and are >>> probably only found in one paternal line. As project administrators, we made >>> sure that project members knew this important fact once we realized it. >>> Unfortunately, there were a significant number of members who ordered L5 or >>> L6 or both without knowing there wasn’t much chance of testing positive for >>> either. >>> >>> But L48 is definitely the “real thing.” We are sure that this is a >>> significant SNP for those who’ve already tested U106+. We know this because >>> we’ve been able to independently observe the results coming from 23andMe. We >>> understand that the economic crisis has had serious effects on most people’s >>> finances. However, if you feel that the price for this test is not a burden, >>> we strongly encourage you to order L48. The information we get from who is >>> L48+ and who is L48- may provide us with important evidence for the age of >>> U106 and its possible geography of origin and migrations. It will also allow >>> members to rule out close matches who differ with them on L48. (If you test >>> L48+ and a close match tests L48-, then the match is not as significant as >>> it seemed.) So a negative result is just as important as a positive result. >>> >>> The second development is that we have had a reorganization of the >>> administrator team. David Weston, who had been our administrator since the >>> formation of the project last March, and Dan Draghici, one of the >>> co-administrators, have exchanged positions. David wants to devote more time >>> to the East Anglia geographic project, of which he’s the administrator. >>> David will still provide analysis of the results in the project. Previously, >>> he had put together tables comparing results among pairs of project members >>> two or more times a month. Now David plans to do new comparisons about once >>> a month. Many members are not aware of these very useful comparisons. For >>> most members, if you go >>> http://www.geocities.com/thurlowons/R1b1c9/profiles.html and click on your >>> kit number, you will see a comparison with almost every other member of the >>> project in terms of genetic distance and “time to most recent common >>> ancestor” (TMRCA). For those who have a “null 425” result, almost 10% of the >>> project members, you can find a similar comparison page at >>> http://www.geocities.com/thurlowons/R1b1c9/profiles_n425.html. >>> >>> Please write back and ask, if you have any questions. >>> >>> Mike Maddi >>> R1b-U106 Project Co-Administrator >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message was processed by the FTDNA Email System. >>> The original headers are: >>> To: Dan.Draghici@international.gc.ca;dan_draggon@hotmail.com