Peter, >From what I have read the Hearth Tax was based on the number of hearths in a home & wonder if you agree? William Kinkead's 10 hearths indicates a large house and likely servants to keep wood or peat cut. I can't imagine 10 fireplaces in one home, castle, yes. Don W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:07 AM Subject: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? The 1665 Hearthmoney Roll for the parish of Drumhome, Co. Donegal lists one Wm Kinkead with 10 hearths [Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. T283/D/3/63]. I believe samples 1648, 2566, 7529, 4749 and 76321 all have 18th century roots in this part of County Donegal, Ireland. Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the comment Don as it made me realize my obvious error. I'll have to refrain from making morning posts again! I misread the entry in the catalogue. The title for T283/D/3/63 is Hearthmoney roll for the parish of Drumhome. It is a very long catalogue entry and buried in there is a note that the remaining is a list for all of County Donegal. The 10 is actually a page number and refers to another part of County Donegal. I am sure this is William Kinkead who is recorded in the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls for one hearth in Garvery (ie. Garvary) townland in Fahen Parish (ie. close to Londonderry). My apologies for my error. I guess I got caught up in the excitement of appearing to find something new that could be quite significant for a good part of our DNA project. Peter P.S. The catalogue contains many Kinkead entries relating to the Kinkeads of Baronscourt. These are records in the Abercorn estate papers. A lot of this was available in book form. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don W. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? Peter, >From what I have read the Hearth Tax was based on the number of hearths in a home & wonder if you agree? William Kinkead's 10 hearths indicates a large house and likely servants to keep wood or peat cut. I can't imagine 10 fireplaces in one home, castle, yes. Don W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:07 AM Subject: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? The 1665 Hearthmoney Roll for the parish of Drumhome, Co. Donegal lists one Wm Kinkead with 10 hearths [Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. T283/D/3/63]. I believe samples 1648, 2566, 7529, 4749 and 76321 all have 18th century roots in this part of County Donegal, Ireland. Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the correction to 1 hearth. I agree on the excitement of the possibilities of this William Kinkead at such an early date. 10 hearths would have made it much more exciting! It will be interesting to see where this leads! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Oops my error was Re: A Group C Patriarch? Thanks for the comment Don as it made me realize my obvious error. I'll have to refrain from making morning posts again! I misread the entry in the catalogue. The title for T283/D/3/63 is Hearthmoney roll for the parish of Drumhome. It is a very long catalogue entry and buried in there is a note that the remaining is a list for all of County Donegal. The 10 is actually a page number and refers to another part of County Donegal. I am sure this is William Kinkead who is recorded in the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls for one hearth in Garvery (ie. Garvary) townland in Fahen Parish (ie. close to Londonderry). My apologies for my error. I guess I got caught up in the excitement of appearing to find something new that could be quite significant for a good part of our DNA project. Peter P.S. The catalogue contains many Kinkead entries relating to the Kinkeads of Baronscourt. These are records in the Abercorn estate papers. A lot of this was available in book form. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don W. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? Peter, >From what I have read the Hearth Tax was based on the number of hearths in a home & wonder if you agree? William Kinkead's 10 hearths indicates a large house and likely servants to keep wood or peat cut. I can't imagine 10 fireplaces in one home, castle, yes. Don W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:07 AM Subject: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? The 1665 Hearthmoney Roll for the parish of Drumhome, Co. Donegal lists one Wm Kinkead with 10 hearths [Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. T283/D/3/63]. I believe samples 1648, 2566, 7529, 4749 and 76321 all have 18th century roots in this part of County Donegal, Ireland. Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So, if we can trace this William back another couple of centuries to Scotland, we can find the common ancestor that links group C-1 to group C-2. Right? Or do we need 300 years to account for that DNA discrepancy between the two groups. Either way, do we have any knowledge of this 17th century William Kincaid's ancestors in Scotland? Larry Kincaid, Group C-2 P.S. Continuing to grasp at straws! On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: > Peter, > > >From what I have read the Hearth Tax was based on the number of hearths in > a home & wonder if you agree? William Kinkead's 10 hearths indicates a large > house and likely servants to keep wood or peat cut. I can't imagine 10 > fireplaces in one home, castle, yes. > > Don W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter A. Kincaid > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:07 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? > > > The 1665 Hearthmoney Roll for the parish of Drumhome, > Co. Donegal lists one Wm Kinkead with 10 hearths > [Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. T283/D/3/63]. > > I believe samples 1648, 2566, 7529, 4749 and 76321 all > have 18th century roots in this part of County Donegal, Ireland. > > Peter A. Kincaid > Fredericton, NB, Canada > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Larry, this was an error on my part. See my subsequent post. The William is not likely the ancestor of Groups C set 1 Kincaids. However, he may be an ancestor of participant 94749 in Group A. This is because 94749 subsequently lived in the same area. Records across the pond are in many cases useless to us here in North America because we have no record here of who were the parents of our North American patriarchs and/or where they actually lived before coming here. The reality is that for many there probably never will be an answer to link the two. The best one can do in that case is to infer who a more distant ancestor was based on DNA results of participants who can link back to the OId World and carry their lineage back there. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? So, if we can trace this William back another couple of centuries to Scotland, we can find the common ancestor that links group C-1 to group C-2. Right? Or do we need 300 years to account for that DNA discrepancy between the two groups. Either way, do we have any knowledge of this 17th century William Kincaid's ancestors in Scotland? Larry Kincaid, Group C-2 P.S. Continuing to grasp at straws!