Thank you Don for your response. Is there anyone else who has comments or questions? I will mark this line as vetted to Samuel next week unless someone else has a question. Like you, I do believe both 11921 and 37382 will ultimately be vetted to John of Sadsbury. If I remember correctly the case for linkage from Shirley's vetted David to John is quite strong and is only awaiting a vetting post for that link to be confirmed. While Samuel appears to be the son of John also, the Chester Co. is a bit complicated with some Kincaids who are not sons of John of Sadsbury running around. In particular we have James the clockmaker (not son of John) who is next of kin after Samuel to the Andrew who died on shipboard. Since John of Sadsbury was alive at the time of Andrew's death and would have been next of kin to any other Kincaid before his son Samuel, there appears to be another Samuel running around. There is also an early James who bought land next to John of Sadsbury. He is thought to have moved to Barbados. He may have had sons who fit into the mix. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Charles Kincaid (119921,Gp A Set 1b) Amended Vetting to Samuel Kincai d of Fawn Pa We have done a review of 119921's vetting post and it looks like every generation is documented enough to warrant marking it as vetted. I also reviewed 37382's vetting post since Shirley Patchen also is likely descendant of John of Sadsbury and her information does not conflict with Chuck's. We do believe both are descendants of John of Sadsbury and are looking forward to vetting them to him. Don W. Kincaid #1427, Group A, Set 1b Kincaid DNA Project Eastland, Texas, USA Hugh Alvin Kincaid, died 1989 & Flora Elizabeth Branscum Hugh Allen Kincaid, died 1922 & Louisa Short David Greer Kincaid, died 1798 & Betty Allen William Moore Kincaid, died 1870? & Druscilla David Greer Kincaid, died 1840 & Isabel Rogers John Kincaid d. 1792 & Margaret Jane? Lockhart? Joseph Kincaid/Kinkead died 1774 & ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Liedtke To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Charles Kincaid (119921,Gp A Set 1b) Amended Vetting to Samuel Kincai d of Fawn Pa I urge everyone to take a moment to review this vetting post connecting 119921 to Samuel Kincaid of Fawn PA. Please let the list know if there are any questions regarding the line. It would also be nice to know if you think this is a true line. I will wait a week and ask again for comments before marking this line as vetted. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire Kincaid" <ccckincaid@netzero.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Cc: <ccckincaid@verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Charles Kincaid (119921,Gp A Set 1b) Amended Vetting to Samuel Kincai d of Fawn Pa Ruth, I have amended my original vetting submission that tracked back to John Kinkead of Sadsbury Pa and I am submitting this revised vetting to Samuel Kincaid of Fawn Township Pa. Samuel, I believe, is the son of John. As more facts are uncovered linking Samuel to John, I will update this vetting. Thank you. Chuck =================================================================== Charles Vernon Kincaid to Samuel Kincaid of Fawn Township PA DNA # 119921, Gp A Set 1b<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Charles Vernon Kincaid, Born Baltimore, MD, 1930 Son of Charles Vernon Kincaid Sr. and Lois Mildred Miller Proven by: Birth certificate: Baltimore City Health Dept lists my father as Charles Vernon Kincaid and mother as Lois (Miller) Kincaid Marriage Certificate of Charles V. Kincaid and Lois M. Miller in Towson, MD, on September 12, 1926. Witnesses were Mr. and Mrs. Elmer Parks. (In my possession) Baltimore Sun obituary listing Charles’s numerous accomplishments and civic works over the past 40 years and identified Charles V. Kincaid as his son and Lois Kincaid as his wife Life knowledge: I knew my parents and their siblings and they acknowledged me as their son and/or nephew ___________________________________________________ Charles Vernon Kincaid (Sr), b Baltimore, MD, Oct 29, 1882 d Dec 2, 1950. m Towson MD Sept 12, 1926 Lois M Miller Son of Frank Wallace Kincaid and Mary Delphine Baer Proven by: “Kincaid Family Bible” listing births, deaths, and marriages of Kincaid/Baer family from 1855 onward. Charles’s birthday given as October 29, 1882, in my possession. Charles V. Kincaid Certificate of Death, Baltimore city lists birth and death dates as above 1900 Federal Census of Baltimore city Frank Kincaid, husband, age 48 MD mother born England Delphine, wife, age 45 PA Charles V, son, age 17 MD James W, son, age 14 MD George C, son, age 12 PA Sophie A, daughter age 9 PA Carroll L, son age 6, MD Marriage Certificate: Frank W. Kincaid of Baltimore and Mary D. Baer of Bryansville, York County, PA, were joined in marriage the 13th day of January, 1881, in Bryansville, PA, (near Fawn Grove) by Joseph D. Smith, minister. Witnesses were Clara Kincaid (Frank’s sister) and Charles S. Baer (Dellies brother). Copy in my files. Obituary from Baltimore newspaper announcing the death of Frank W. Kincaid and plans for burial in Slate Ridge Cemetery in Delta, PA. Surviving children: Charles V. George C, Sophie A. and Carroll L. Frank W. and Mary D. (who died May 16, 1903) Kincaid were buried in Slate Ridge Cemetery, (near Fawn Grove) along with Frank’s unmarried sister, Ida V, and Frank and Dellie’s son, James Wallace who died age 19 of TB on Oct 24 1904 Oil paintings of Frank W. and Mary D. Kincaid on their wedding day, January 13, 1881. (In my possession) Life knowledge: I knew my father’s sister and two brothers and they acknowledged him as their sibling ________________________________________________ Frank Wallace Kincaid, b Baltimore, MD, Jan 25, 1856, d Feb 22, 1908 m Jan 13, 1881 Mary Delphine Baer Son of James R. Kincaid and Anna Cave Proven by: “Kincaid Family Bible” listing births, deaths, marriages of the Kincaid family from 1855 onward. Frank’s birthday given as January 25, 1856 Certified Baltimore City Certificate of Death of Frank W. Kincaid with birth and death dates as above Baltimore City Marriage Licenses Issued (1851-1865),pg.330, James Kincaid and Anna Cave married November 24, 1852, Hall of Records, Annapolis Md. 1860 Federal Census of Baltimore City, p 706 18th ward James R. Kincaide , age 40, MD Emma (Anna) age 37 Eng Clara age 7 MD Frank, age 4 MD Ida age 1 MD Baltimore Directory for 1860 653 W. Baltimore St. in 18th ward Baltimore, MD. James R., Anna, Clara, Frank W., and Idah V. (Files of Baltimore Directories at Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) Baltimore Directories from 1852-1887 list J. R. Kincaid and family living at various residences in Baltimore during these years. (Baltimore City Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore Md) Gravestones in Loudon Park Cemetery, Baltimore, MD James R. Kincaid’s date of birth as August 20, 1816, died November 21, 1887. Wife Anna Cave Kincaid, age 75, died February 22, 1898. Also burial plots of two unnamed young children, one is noted as “child of James R. Kincaid” (Personal visit to Loudon Park Cemetery. Baltimore, Md) Photographs of James R. Kincaid and wife, Anna Cave Kincaid, as an elderly couple, circa 1885, (in my possession). ________________________________________ James R. Kincaid b Baltimore, MD, Aug 20, 1816 d Baltimore MD Nov 21, 1887. m Baltimore, MD Nov 24,1852 Anna Cave Son of James Kincaid and Barbara Kendall Proven by Certificate of Death, Baltimore City Health Department, documents J. R. Kincaid’s birth and death dates, August 20, 1816, died November 21, 1887. (Certified Copy, Baltimore City Health Department) September 28, 1812, James Kincaid married Barbara Kendall at the 1st Methodist Episcopal Church, Light Street, Baltimore. Wedding performed by Rev. George Roberts. (1st Methodist Episcopal Church records, Maryland Historical Society records, Baltimore, MD) U. S. Federal Census of 1830 pg 189 Ward 4 of Baltimore City James Kincaid One male 50-60 one male 5-10 one male 10-15 one female 50-60 one female 20-30 one female 15-20 one female 10-15 one female 5-10 First Methodist Episcopal Church Light St. church records. Marriages: Ann Kincaid and George Sanders, 7 June 1832 by Rev. J. Frye Cecelia Kincaid and Isaac Wentz, 17 February 1838 by Rev. J. Frye Amelia E. Kincaid and Frederick Amos, 27 October 1845 by Rev. W. M. Evans James R. Kincaid and Anna Cave, 24 November 1852 by unreadable. Baltimore American announcement of 15 June 1832 announced marriage of Ann Kincaid, daughter of James Kincaid, to George Sanders, tea merchant of Baltimore. Death of James Kincaid announced in the Baltimore American newspaper of September 15, 1832, “James Kincaid, long a merchant of Baltimore died of the cholera on September 7.” (Diehlman File of Baltimore Newspapers, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) James Kincaid was buried in the Old North Burial Ground in Baltimore. James and his wife Barbara were reinterred on July 2, 1877 in Greenmount Cemetery in Baltimore when the Old North Burial Ground was disestablished to make way for the expanding downtown of Baltimore. James was reinterred in the burial plot of his daughter, Ann (Kincaid) Sanders. (Personal Visit to Greenmount Cemetery) US Federal Census 1840 Baltimore, MD 12th ward Barbay Kinkaid, age 50 to 60, two males, age 15 to 20, one male, 20 to 30 (who I believe is James R. Kincaid). U.S. Federal Census of 1850 Baltimore City, MD, 18th ward Barbara (Barbay) Kingcade head of household James R. Kincaid age 30 Margaret Miller, age 24 Charles Amos, age 4 16 others The Baltimore Directory of 1850 lists Barbay Kingcade as running a boarding house at 20 Pearl St. with the same named 20 people as in the USFC. Will of Thomas Kincaid, son of Samuel Kincaid of Fawn and brother of James Kincaid, who died November 1857 in Fawn Township. PA. Will proven 1867 in Fawn. (Thomas b 1790 had never married) He left his estate to: Lewis Kincaid $300 Agnes Dunlap $30 Heirs of James Kincaid: Elisabeth Wentz Ann Sanders Margaret Miller James R. Kincaid Samuel Kincaid Cecilia Wentz son of Amelia Kincaid Amos (Charles Amos) daughter of James R. Kincaid (Clara) Heirs of Jenny Kincaid McLaughlin: Samuel McLaughlin, Wallace McLaughlin, Jane Kilgore, Nancy McLaughlin, Martha Tarbert Wallace Kincaid Joseph Kincaid’s children. My father, Charles V. Kincaid, Sr., his brothers and sister often visited the Fawn Grove-Bryansville-Delta region. He explained to me that he went back to Fawn with his father, Frank W. Kincaid. Frank W had gone every summer with his father James R. Kincaid to visit friends (McLaughlins, Clarkes, Watsons, etc.) from the “old neighborhood.” That is why my father took me there. ____________________________________ James Kincaid b Fawn Township, PA abt. 1776; d Sept 7, 1832 m Baltimore MD Sept 28, 1812 Barbara Kendall Son of Samuel Kincaid and Agness (unknown) Proven by: Oct. 1810 PA will of Samuel Kincaid of Fawn Township named as heirs his wife Agness, (sometimes called Nancy) sons: John, James, Samuel, David, Wallace, Joseph, and Thomas daughters: Margaret Vance, Jenny McLaughlin, Nancy and heirs of his daughter, Jean McCleary (dec’d). Also mentioned as an heir was Samuel’s grandson, Lewis Kincaid. (Will Book M, pg. 274, York County Heritage Trust files, York, PA) Inventory of Samuel Kincaid’s estate was signed by his wife Agness James Kincaid, first shown on tax lists, taxed $1.00, in Fawn Township, York County, PA, as a single man in 1797.( first appearance on tax list would indicated he was age 21 thus b c1776) (York County Tax Record Roll 5226, York County, PA, archives.) Baltimore City Directory of 1803 James Kincaid 133 High St. Baltimore City Directory of 1804 James Kincaid 153 High St. occupation school teacher David Kincaid 153 High St. occupation drayman. David listed with James at that address in 1805, 1806, and 1807. (Baltimore City Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) U.S. Federal Census of 1810 Wards 2-6, Baltimore pg 268 James Kincaid one male 26-45 one male 16-25 one female over 45 one female 16-25 two females under 10. Baltimore City Directory of 1813 James Kincaid 153 High St. Baltimore, MD occupation grocer Wallace Kincaid 153 High St., Baltimore, MD occupation grocer Wallace remained at that address with James until 1819. (Baltimore Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) _________________________________ Samuel Kincaid, b abt. 1736, d Oct 1810 Fawn Township, York County, PA. Parents unknown What is known: 1749-Warrant, dated June 6, 1749, granted to Alexander McCanless for land in Fawn Township Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania. ( Pennsylvania State Archives RG-17, Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS 1733-1757, Surnames beginning with “M”). This warrant was filed before York County was formed August 14, 1749, and thus is listed in Lancaster County warrants 1772-Samuel Kincaid bought 271 acres called Poplar Quarter from Archibald White in Fawn Township (deed not yet recovered). 1779-Samuel Kincaid listed on roll of York County Militia, Capt. William Gray's company (ICHT Courtesy Mr. John Heisey). Samuel Kincaid taxed in Fawn 1779 - 1810 (York County Archives, York, PA) 1790-U.S. Federal Census York Co. PA Samuel Kincaid three males over 16 five males under 16 4 females (York Co Archives, York Pa) 1797-Samuel Kincaid taxed in Fawn for 150 acres. (CCAR) 1800-US Federal Census, York County, PA Samuel Kincaid 1 male 45+ 0 males 26-45 2 males 16-25 2 males 10-15 1 female 45+ 1 female 116-25 1810- Samuel Kincaid (119921) died October 1810. Will lists his children as heirs and left Poplar Quarter to sons Joseph and Thomas. 1813-Survey of Poplar Quarter. “Joseph and Thomas Kincaid situate in Fawn Township in the county of York containing as above 271 acres & 61 perches and allowance, of land originally surveyed by William Matthews, late DS, on the 21st day of the 1st month 1771 for Archibald White in pursuance of a warrant which was granted to Alexander McCanless (Poplar Quarter) bearing the date of 6th of June 1749. And now, on the 16th day of June 1813, the same has been calculated, examined, and found to be correct and at the request of the present owners, Joseph and Thomas Kincaid, the same is returned for confirmation. Adjacent land owners: Joseph Ross, Barrens, William Smilee, Barrens, Barrens, Thomas Brannon,. Per Jacob Spangler, DS. To Andrew Porter Esq. Surveyor General, Harrisburg.” (Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office ,COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol B-9, pg 12.) 1813 Patent.-Joseph and Thomas Kincaid (119921) patented 271 acres, 61 perches July 10, 1813, warrantee, Alexander McCanless (Poplar Quarter) June 6, 1749 Fawn Township York County Pa. (Pennsylvania State Archives RG-17, Records of the Land Office, PATENT INDEX, H Series (H1 to H20), 1809-1823, Surnames beginning with K, pg 189, Patent Book Vol 9, pg 196. Courtesy Norman Kincaide) Samuel Kincaid’s possible father,: John Kinkead of Sadsbury, Chester Co. PA Will of John Kinkead proven Nov 1771 wife Mary left farm to son Charles, twenty pounds to sons: David, John, Samuel, James Left sums to sons-in-laws" Adam Hope (married daughter Agnes) Thomas Kilpatrick John Simril (married daughter Mary) Josiah Crawford (courtesy Norman Kincaide..CCAR) A Samuel Kincaid was taxed in Sadsbury as a single man in 1757 and a married man 1758-65. He was taxed in West Caln (adjacent township) 1765-1772. This Samuel fits in age and possible marriage year. His disappearance from West Caln in 1772 coincides with Samuels 1772 purchase of Poplar Quarter in Fawn, York Co. PA. There is a close DNA match with #37382 and #8144 both of whom believe descent from John of Sadsbury. Definative proof is being sought. 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