I sent this to Sue to see if this is better. Alice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Kincaid" <larryk34@gmail.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 >I would have no clue about how to conduct a vetting of my line back to > Thomas/Mary Mackey and Robert/Margaret Doherty. All of the information > about my genealogy comes from Alice and her sister. In fact, without > their > incredible hard work over a lifetime, I would not be able to get past my > great grandfather. In all likelihood, I would not even be participating > on > this web site if I had not stumbled upon Alice's records on the web. And > she continues to expand that knowledge base. I cannot thank her enough. > > This is a long way of saying that I cannot do it, or if I did, I would > merely turn over Alice's data base. Alice certainly has my permission and > encouragement to do the vetting, whatever is required. I would be happy > to > help in any way that I can. My "missing link" to her records was overcome > when the bible record of my great grandfather's birth showed up in Adams > County, Ohio. The fact that a 37-marker match has just turned up for me > suggests that Alice's records are correct, at least back to Samuel and > Thomas b. 1755. But #139833 may be relying on Alice's records to get > back > to Samuel too. I have not seen #139833's list of known ancestors yet. > So, > what exactly would be required for Alice and us to complete the > vetting? Her records are already available on her web site. Don (Larry) > Kincaid, Group C-2 #16491. > > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Alice Gedge <adgedge@burgoyne.com> wrote: > >> Sue, >> >> I hesitate to do so, because none of them are my line, and I haven't been >> asked to do so. But they are certainly welcome to use our information. >> >> >> Alice >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 >> >> >> > Thanks Alice. Any chance of getting a vetting post for the line? >> > >> > Sue >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@burgoyne.com> >> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:53 AM >> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 >> > >> > >> >> Perhaps this will help for 79672 >> >> >> >> >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=adgedge&id=I57454 >> >> >> >> 79672 comes from John Kincaid, son of Robert/Margaret Kincaid. >> >> >> >> Alice Gedge >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:56 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 >> >> >> >> >> >>> If 79672 is indeed from Samuel, brother of Thomas/Mary Mackey instead >> of >> >>> a >> >>> son of Thomas/Mary Mackey and all have their lineages correct, then >> >>> indeed, >> >>> Thomas/Mary Mackey is the most likey source of the mutational >> >>> variance. >> >>> At >> >>> one point I was under the impression that 79672 claimed to >> >>> Thomas/Mary >> >>> Mackey. If this is not correct (as the DNA seems to indicate) then I >> >>> will >> >>> gladly indicate that on the chart. >> >>> >> >>> Sue >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@burgoyne.com> >> >>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> >>> Cc: "Chris Kraft" <acdk3@yahoo.com> >> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:09 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Sue, >> >>>> >> >>>> I am really interested in learning more about #139833. He is in our >> >>>> group >> >>>> C >> >>>> set 2. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> This is what I have in my records: >> >>>> 16491, John Kincaid, son of Thomas & Mary Mackey >> >>>> 139833, Samuel Kincaid, son of Thomas & Mary Mackey >> >>>> >> >>>> 79672, John Kincaid & Martha Hill, brother of Thomas & Mary Mackey >> >>>> 44937, Samuel Kincaid & Sarah Reed, brother of Thomas & Mary Mackey >> >>>> >> >>>> Thus, 16491 & 139833 are descendants of Thomas Kincaid m. Mary >> >>>> Mackey, >> >>>> and >> >>>> 79672 and 44937 come through Thomas' brothers. Does that mean that >> the >> >>>> variance would begin with Thomas Kincaid? >> >>>> >> >>>> Alice Gedge >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> >>>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:55 AM >> >>>> Subject: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> All results have been posted for 139833's order of 37 markers. His >> >>>>> results >> >>>>> match the AAV for Group C set 2 except at marker 34 (CDYa). He has >> >>>>> a >> >>>>> 35 >> >>>>> instead of the AAV 36. He shares this variance with 16491 who >> believes >> >>>>> decent from Robert/Margaret Doherty m 1745 of Alleghany Co. PA >> through >> >>>>> Robert's son Thomas/Mary Mackey. 139833 believes decent from Samuel >> of >> >>>>> PA >> >>>>> b >> >>>>> 1780 d 1818 m 1808 Phoebe Van Pelt. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Also claiming descent from Robert/Margaret Doherty through son >> >>>>> Thomas >> >>>>> is >> >>>>> 79672 and 44937 who claims descent from Robert/Margaret (through >> >>>>> son >> >>>>> ?) >> >>>>> who >> >>>>> do not share the above variance. IF the variance is from a single >> >>>>> mutation >> >>>>> for both 139833 and 16491 then we have several possible scenarios. >> >>>>> 1) >> >>>>> If >> >>>>> all >> >>>>> are correct in their lineage then Thomas/Mary did not have this >> >>>>> variance >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> given that there is only 35 years between the marriage of >> >>>>> Thomas/Mary >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> the birth of Samuel, 139833 and 16491 should both descend from the >> >>>>> same >> >>>>> son >> >>>>> of Thomas/Mary or 2) Someone's lineage is incorrect. There is the >> >>>>> possibility that the variances derive from parallel mutations as >> >>>>> CDYa >> >>>>> is >> >>>>> quite volatile which leaves 139833's connection to other C-2 >> >>>>> Kincaids >> >>>>> open. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sue Liedtke >> >>>>> >> >>>>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >>>>> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------- >> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>> >> >>>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >>>> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------- >> >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >>> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Results for 135736's upgrade to 37 markers are now in. He matches the group A-1a AAV exactly at all markers. This is very, very interesting to the Fayette/Greenbrier WVA Kincaids and has implications for all Group A Kincaids as 135736 claims to George/Mary Campbell. 49289 in A-2b is vetted to the same ancestor. The vetting for 49289 was done by Leslie so we do not have the lineage available in the archives. I urge JoAnne (contact for 135736) to contact me for the vetting format. Bob (49289), I also urge you to contact me so that we can create a vetting post to submit to the list for review. Bob has the 9 at marker 15 (459b) which is the signature for set A-2. This makes reviewing his line of paramont interest as it calls into question the vetting. If both can be verified to George/Mary Campbell we will have an incidence of parallel mutation at this marker. This has implications for all A-2b Kincaids as it is possible that this marker has mutated several times. The paper trails in the Fayette area seem to indicate that almost all Kincaids in this region are descendents of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. The most logical lineage from the paperwork indicates that George/Mary Campbell, Thomas/Isabella/Eliza (130207 A-1a), William (33001 A-1c), and Harvey (101753 A-1a) are all sons of Thomas/Polly Davis (whom 33001 is vetted to). The paper trail also indicates that Thomas/Polly Davis is the son of Samuel of the 3 wives, who in turn is the son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. 36856, 30078 and probably several more A-1a Kincaids from this region appear to be the descendents of John/Elizabeth Gillespie who is also appears to be the son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. I urge all lines to work on vetting back to Thomas/Hannah so that the family relationships can be confirmed. SPECULATION FOLLOWS We know that Thomas's father is a John Kincaid and that Thomas appears 1st in Albemarle Co. I believe this John is John the Weaver and that many other A-1a Kincaids who trace from this area may either be his descendents or descendents of a brother or cousin. Sue Liedtke