Barbara, Great find! The author being Andrew Agnew made it even more interesting for me since my wife is an Agnew. The Agnews were hereditary Sheriffs of Wigtown for many generations. The information that Andrew presents about the excesses of the courts regarding religious persecution certainly gives perspective on why so many sought religious freedom in the Colonies. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:58 PM Subject: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Chalcarroch Is this the John Kincaid who came to American on the "Henry and Francis" in 1685? These paragraphs are from "The hereditary sheriffs of Galloway; their "forebears" and friends, their courts and customs of their times, with notes of the early history, ecclesiastical legends, the baronage and placenames of the province" " John Kincaid in Chalcarroch confesses that he heard Mr. Samuel Arnot and Mr. George Barclay preach in the house of Arioland and little Aries, and that he had a chyld baptized with Mr. Thomas Kennedy, minister in Ireland. Confesses he was at the communion in Penninghame about the time of the rebellion or thereby, where Mr. John Welsh preached : And being inter- rogat if he counterfeited a testimonial for one Sprot, confesses he did the same, and does not deny but he received the Cove- nant at the communion where Mr. John Welsh preached : And being interrogat if Bothwell Bridge was rebellion, was not clear to give his judgement thereanent ; and further the pass being produced judicially, he not only owned the same, but also signed it that it was the same testificat that he forged, and this he con- fesses judicially by his own declaration : And further confesses that he was at the breaking of Mr. James Couper, minister at Methven-Mochrum his house, immeadiately before the rebellion seventhie-nyne. " Committed to the irons. (Signed) JOHN KINCAID." ******************************************************************* " William Sprot in Clutach confesses judicially that he ad- vised John Kincaid to counterfeit a pass to him when he was going to Ireland ; and being solemnly sworn and interrogat if he converst with rebells, depones he converst with no rebels from the last circuit at Dumfries in anno 83 : and being interrogat 136 HEREDITARY SHERIFFS OF GALLOWAY [A.D. 1683 how old his last chyld was, and who baptized it, he depones that his last child is about 3 years old, and that Mr. Ross baptized it. Owns the king's authority, and disowns rebellious principles, and says he knows not what the test or oath of allegiance is. " Committed to prison. (Signed) QUEENSBERRY." ********************************************************************* " John Kincaid in Chalcarroch, and John Henderson, whose crymes are extraordinary, sent for trial before the Justice- General and Lords of Justiciary at Edinburgh ***************************************** Again, John Welsh (a grandson of John Knox), the ejected minister of Irongray, held a conventicle on a whinny bank in Larg. As the congregation were assembling, the Laird o' Larg set the brushwood in a blaze, tauntingly exclaiming : " The old fox is burnt out." " You have grudged God's minister a whinny corner of your land," Welsh solemnly replied ; " perhaps He may not leave your children enough land to spread a tent on." http://www.archive.org/stream/hereditarysherif02agneuoft/hereditarysherif02agneuoft_djvu.txt Barb Van Hout To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Knox, the gr-grandfather of John Welsh, was the well known founder of the Presbyterian Church in Scotland. John Knox was from Edinburgh and had many clashes with Mary, Queen of Scots. who was born in France and wanted to reinstate the Catholic Church in Scotland. "Again, John Welsh (a grandson of John Knox), the ejected minister of Irongray...." " John Kincaid in Chalcarroch confesses that he heard Mr. > Samuel Arnot and Mr. George Barclay preach in the house of > Arioland and little Aries, and that he had a chyld baptized with > Mr. Thomas Kennedy, minister in Ireland. Confesses he was at > the communion in Penninghame about the time of the rebellion > or thereby, where Mr. John Welsh preached : And being inter- > rogat if he counterfeited a testimonial for one Sprot, confesses > he did the same, and does not deny but he received the Cove- > nant at the communion where Mr. John Welsh preached " >From Wikipedia; "John Welsh of Irongray (born 17th century) was a leader of the Scottish Covenanters movement. He was the grandson of John Welsh, minister of Ayr, and a great-grandson of John Knox. He is called "of Irongray" - referring to the parish of Irongray in Dumfriesshire, to differentiate him from his grandfather." Encyclopedia > John Welsh of Ayr John Welsh of Ayr (1568-1622) was a Scottish Presbyterian leader. He was born in Dumfriesshire, and, after a wayward youth, attended the University of Edinburgh and obtained his MA in 1588. He became a minister in Selkirk, and married a daughter of John Knox. Welsh later ministered in Kirkcudbright and in Ayr, where he spent five years and with which he was ever afterward associated. His preaching resulted in imprisonment on the orders of King James VI of Scotland, and in 1606 he was exiled to France, where he continued his activities for many years. His grandson was the Covenanters' leader, John Welsh of Irongray. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Covenanters The history of prominent Covenanters Archibald Campbell, Marquess of Argyll, and Alexander Henderson at the above website are also very interesting. It is believed by several Campbell researchers that descendants of the above Archibald Campbell of Argyll went to America. The Thomas Kennedy of County Tyrone, Ireland, (below) may have been the minister who baptized John Kincaid of Chalcarroch's child: Spring 1661: Ulster's Ejected Ministers In Spring 1661, 61 of Ulster's 68 Presbyterian ministers were ejected from their pulpits on the orders of King Charles II. The list below is from Seaton Reid's History. Organised by presbytery, they were: PRESBYTERY OF TYRONE Robert Auld, Maghera Archibald Hamilton, Donaghhendry George Keith, Dungannon Thomas Kennedy, Donoughmore Thomas Gowan, Glasslough John Abernethy, Minterburn Alexander Osborne, Brigh James Johnston, Lisnaskea (his grave is at Aughalurcher) http://covenantersinulster.typepad.com/posts/2008/07/spring-1661-uls.html See above website for ministers in other Ulster counties. Barb Van Hout ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Chalcarroch > Barbara, > > Great find! The author being Andrew Agnew made it even more interesting > for me since my wife is an Agnew. The Agnews were hereditary Sheriffs of > Wigtown for many generations. The information that Andrew presents about > the excesses of the courts regarding religious persecution certainly gives > perspective on why so many sought religious freedom in the Colonies. > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Van Hout > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:58 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Chalcarroch > > > Is this the John Kincaid who came to American on the "Henry and Francis" > in 1685? > > These paragraphs are from "The hereditary sheriffs of Galloway; their > "forebears" and friends, their courts and customs of their times, with > notes of the early history, ecclesiastical legends, the baronage and > placenames of the province" > > " John Kincaid in Chalcarroch confesses that he heard Mr. > Samuel Arnot and Mr. George Barclay preach in the house of > Arioland and little Aries, and that he had a chyld baptized with > Mr. Thomas Kennedy, minister in Ireland. Confesses he was at > the communion in Penninghame about the time of the rebellion > or thereby, where Mr. John Welsh preached : And being inter- > rogat if he counterfeited a testimonial for one Sprot, confesses > he did the same, and does not deny but he received the Cove- > nant at the communion where Mr. John Welsh preached : And > being interrogat if Bothwell Bridge was rebellion, was not clear > to give his judgement thereanent ; and further the pass being > produced judicially, he not only owned the same, but also signed > it that it was the same testificat that he forged, and this he con- > fesses judicially by his own declaration : And further confesses > > that he was at the breaking of Mr. James Couper, minister at > Methven-Mochrum his house, immeadiately before the rebellion > seventhie-nyne. > > " Committed to the irons. (Signed) JOHN KINCAID." > > ******************************************************************* > > " William Sprot in Clutach confesses judicially that he ad- > vised John Kincaid to counterfeit a pass to him when he was > going to Ireland ; and being solemnly sworn and interrogat if he > converst with rebells, depones he converst with no rebels from > the last circuit at Dumfries in anno 83 : and being interrogat > > > > 136 HEREDITARY SHERIFFS OF GALLOWAY [A.D. 1683 > > how old his last chyld was, and who baptized it, he depones that > his last child is about 3 years old, and that Mr. Ross baptized it. > Owns the king's authority, and disowns rebellious principles, > and says he knows not what the test or oath of allegiance is. > " Committed to prison. (Signed) QUEENSBERRY." > > > ********************************************************************* > > " John Kincaid in Chalcarroch, and John Henderson, whose > crymes are extraordinary, sent for trial before the Justice- > General and Lords of Justiciary at Edinburgh > > ***************************************** > > Again, John Welsh (a grandson of John Knox), the ejected > minister of Irongray, held a conventicle on a whinny bank in > Larg. As the congregation were assembling, the Laird o' Larg > set the brushwood in a blaze, tauntingly exclaiming : " The old > fox is burnt out." " You have grudged God's minister a whinny > corner of your land," Welsh solemnly replied ; " perhaps He may > not leave your children enough land to spread a tent on." > > > http://www.archive.org/stream/hereditarysherif02agneuoft/hereditarysherif02agneuoft_djvu.txt > > > Barb Van Hout > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message