Most responses have indicated that the connection from Amon to Sherrod has a high degree of probability with little possibility of finding conflicting information. Since the last link is based on persuasive indirect evidence, Debbie will continue to seek data to further bolster the argument as new sources become available or come to her attention. I have marked this line as vetted. A new chart has been sent to Alice. Give her some time to post it to her website. Sue Liedtke > > Vetting; Amon L Kincaid to Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes. > > Amon L Kincaid > DNA #1255 A-1b > Researcher: Debra Griggs (sister) > > Amon Luther Kincaid JR. b. 5 July 1948 Bakersfield, Kern Co, California > m. 28 June 1971 to Brenda Kay Adams Reno, Washoe Co, Nevada. > > > Son of Amon Luther Kincaid SR. and Dorothy Mae Joslin. > > Proven by; > Ca. Birth Certificate for Amon Luther Kincaid JR., date of birth, 5 July > 1948, county of Kern, Ca. > Naming his parents as Amon Luther Kincaid SR. age 37 birthplace Arkansas > and Dorothy Mae Joslin age 25 birthplace Arkansas. > > > Personal Knowledge; I have known Amon L Jr. all my life as son of my > father Amon L Sr. > _____________________________________ > Amon Luther Kincaid SR. b. 14 Oct 1910 Blackwell, Conway Co, Arkansas d. > 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California m. 20 February 1943 Little > Rock, Pulaski Co, Arkansas to Dorothy Mae Joslin. > > Son of George William Kincaid and Margaret Florence Roper. > > Proven by; > Ca. Death Certificate of Amon Luther Kincaid SR b.Oct 14 1910 Arkansas d. > 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California.Wife's name listed as Dorothy > Joslin.His parents are listed as George W Kincaid and Margaret F Roper. > > > 1920 Census, Lee Township, Pope Co. Arkansas > Kincaid George W 38yrs Arkansas > Florence wife 42yrs Arkansas > Lawson son 14yrs Arkansas > Opal daughter 12yrs Arkansas > Luther son 9yrs Arkansas > Kelly son 7yrs Arkansas > Nancy daughter 5yrs Arkansas > Mollie daughter 3yrs Arkansas > Dollie daughter 1 10/12yrs Arkansas > Cobb Emmett stepson 20yrs Arkansas > > > Personal Knowledge; I knew my aunts Nancy, Mollie and Dollie and my uncles > Kelly and Emmett as my fathers sisters and brothers and children of George > W Kincaid. > _______________________________________- > George William Kincaid b. 11 February 1882 Dardanelle, Yell Co. Arkansas > d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. m 12 Sept 1902 > Pontoon, Arkansas to Margaret F. Roper. > > Son of James Brookins Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats > > Proven by; > Ca. Death Certificate of George "Billy" William Kincaid b.11 Feb 1882 > Arkansas d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. His > parents are listed as James B Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats. > > Family History: It was told by my father that his father George W Kincaid > aquired his nickname Billie from his uncle William J Kincaid, he gave him > the nickname "Billie" because he would play with the "Billie Goats" on the > farm. William J Kincaid appears with Sherod on the 1850 & 1860 census. > > WWII Draft Reg. Card lists Billie Kincaid, Place of Res: 713 Abeles Little > Rock, Pulaski Co. Arkansas, Mailing address: Water's Grocery 820 Abeles > Little Rock, Arkansas. Age: 60 Place of Birth: Perry Co. Arkansas. Date of > birth: Feb 11 1882. Name of person who will always know your address. K.O. > Kincaid 820 Abeles Little Rock, Arkansas. Employers name and address: > unemployed - works at home. > > Although my grandfathers WWII Draft Reg.Card lists him born in Perry Co. > Arkansas, my brother Amon L Kincaid has stated to me that our grandfather > George William Kincaid told him he was born in Dardanelle, Arkansas which > is in Yell County. > > WWI Draft Reg. Card lists George William Kincaid address: Rt 3 Atkins, > Pope Co. Arkansas. Age: 36. Date of birth: Feb 11 1882. Race: White. > Occupation: farmer, self employed. Place of employment: Atkins, Arkansas. > Nearest Relative: Mrs Florence Kincaid Rt 3 Atkins, Arkansas. Date of > Registration: Sept 12 1918 > > 1910 Census Wilson Township,Yell Co.Arkansas > 43 43 Kincaid George W Head 28yrs Arkansas > Florence M wife 31yrs Arkansas > Lawson W son 5yrs Arkansas > Opal E dau 3yrs Arkansas > James A son 1 4/12yrs Arkansas > Cobb O Emmett stepson 10yrs Arkansas > Roper George W father in law 70yrs Arkansas > Kelley Homer hired man 18yrs Missouri > > 44 44 Kincaid James B Head 50 Arkansas > Frankie J wife 51 years Arkansas > Ethel dau 15 years Arkansas > James A 11 years Arkansas > 45 Ham, Samuel Kelly son in law 26yrs Missouri > Samuel James grandson 2yrs Arkansas > 46 Franks, David son in law 20 yrs Oklahoma > Ora daughter 18yrs Arkansas > Frankie J grand daughter 11/12 Arkansas > [note: This is one household. Maudy Kincaid Ham died in March, a month > before this census.] > > 1900 Census Wilson Township, Yell Co. Arkansas > Kincaid John B (sic James B) 45 yrs Arkansas > Frankie J wife 42yrs Arkansas > George W son 18yrs Arkansas > Maudie daughter 15yrs Arkansas > Eliza daughter 13yrs Arkansas > Charles O son 11yrs Arkansas > Ora E daughter 8yrs Arkansas > Mary E daughter 4yrs Arkansas > James A son 1yrs Arkansas > > Note; > James Andrew Kincaid b. 11 November 1898 was the youngest son of James B > Kincaid and Frankie J Coats, his WWI Draft Reg. Card lists him as: James > Andrew Kincaid age 21. Address: Palarm, Faulkner Co. Ark. Date of birth: > Nov 12 1897(?). Where born: Yell Co, Arkansas. Fathers birthplace: Newton > Co. Arkansas. Name of employer. R E Dent. Place of employment: Palarm, > Arkansas.Name of nearest relative: James Kincaid Rt 4 Box 99 Atkins, > Arkansas. Date of Registration August 24 1918. James Andrew Kincaid d. 24 > Dec 1929 Kerr Co, Texas, his death certificate lists his parents as James > B Kincaid and Frankie J Colts (sic, Coats). > _____________________ > James Brookins Kincaid b. Oct 1858 Newton Co, Arkansas d. 8 Sept 1918 > Atkins, Pope Co, Arkansas m.abt 1881 Yell Co. Arkansas to Frankie Jane > Coats. > > Son of Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes > > I have not found a 1880 census for James B Kincaid. > > Proven By > Family History; > It was told to me by my father Amon L Kincaid Sr. that his grandfather > James B Kincaid's parents were murdered when he was just a young child and > that James had lived in the Boston Mountains as a young boy. James B > Kincaid told his son George William Kincaid of the tragedy of his parents > and it was passed down from George William Kincaid to my father Amon L > Kincaid Sr. My father told me that he was told that his grandfather had > hid in the bushes and watched while his parents were murdered. My father > said that it was believed to have happened during or after the Civil War. > I was also told that the eldest son or sons had went off to the war. It > was written in a family Bible of my dad's cousin (Samuel James Hamm, s/o > Maudy Kincaid sister of George W Kincaid) and it states as told to him by > his uncles and aunts that James B Kincaid was then taken to Indian > Territory by uncle Hughes (brother of Tom Hughes) and McGee. My uncle > Kelly O Kincaid told the family on a visit to him in J! > uly 1987 that their grandfather James B Kincaid's mother's last name was > Hughes. > [note: see 1910 census above for James B Kincaid with Samuel James Ham in > his household] > > > Conditions in Arkansas from the Encyclopedia of Arkansas History & Culture > (on line) http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net > > Flu Epidemic 1918;James B Kincaid died during the flu epidemic.Arkansas > was hard hit with over 7,000 recorded deaths.It is believed that > additional deaths in the rural areas went unrecorded.Doctors and funeral > parlors were swamped so some rural victims were without any official > notification.In Nov 1918 the state was placed under quarantine for several > months.James B was listed as a farmer in the 1910 census. His address as > given by his son on August 24 1918 was Rte 4 Box 99 Atkins,Arkansas > (Pope,Co.) efforts to find a death certificate or funeral record for James > B Kincaid have not been fruitful. > > Civil War: Arkansas succeeded from the Union in 1861. By 1862 "Dozens of > county & local governments ceased to function as judges, sheriffs, clerks > and office holders fled or failed to carry out their duties."The towns in > the northern portion were under Union control by 1863 but "In large areas > food and other necessities were in short supply...where neither army held > sway the last remnants of civil government and the rule of law disappears > and guerilla fighters roamed the countryside.The last Confederate General > commissioned guerilla forces to roam the country with orders to harass > Union troops and cut the supply lines. Some groups did just that, others > used the commission to harass, kill and rob both Union and Confederate > sympathizers. These groups were known as bushwhackers.They were > particulary active in the NW corner where the limestone caves made good > hiding places. Union troops passed through Newton Co. in March of 1863 and > burned the courthouse (the courthouse was bur! > ned again in 1938) By Sept 10 1863 they had captured Little Rock.The > Arkansas Democrat Gazette (the paper of record for Arkansas) ceased > publication until May 1865.The only paper published continuously during > the Civil War was the Washington Telegraph, a confederate paper in the SW > corner of Arkansas.The internet has other anecdotal stories passed down > through families about ancestors killed by bushwhackers in Newton County. > > All counties given are close together in the NW corner of Arkansas. > > Sherod and Jane Kincaid do not appear on the 1870 Federal Census. Sherod > does not appear in the 1870 mortality schedule. > > Below is a summary of where the children listed in the 1860 census of > Sherod were in the 1870 census.The Bible record of my dad's cousin (Samuel > James Hamm) states that James B Kincaid was taken to Indian Territory to > live with relatives. I did not find Cinthia Ann until the 1880 census, > married and living in Ward Township, Yell Co. Arkansas. I presume that > Cinthia was taken to the Indian Territory as well. I was not able to > locate James B Kincaid on the 1880 census. > > Joseph P Kincaid enlisted in the Union Forces of (Co.D 2nd Arkansas > Calvary) in Jasper, Newton Co.Arkansas on Oct 15 1863 age 18 b. Johnson > Co. Arkansas > > William J Kincaid age 22 b. Arkansas in 1870 Census is enumerated in > Dardanelle Township, Yell Co. Arkansas in the household of Charles B > Mitchell. > > George A Kincaid age 20 b. Ark in 1870 Census is enumerated in Clark > Township, Pope Co. Arkansas in the household of Samuel Rye. > > Cinthia Ann Kincaid b. May 2 1855 Arkansas d.May 14 1916 Ola,Yell Co. > Arkansas m. abt 1878 Yell/Perry Co. Arkansas to James K McGhee. My Aunt > Nancy (Amon L Kincaid's sister) had a large trunk of old family photos > that was left to her by her father George W Kincaid (son of James B) among > the photos was a photo of a baby and the writing on the back of the photo > stated "Cinthia Ann, Papa's Sister." > > John H Kincaid age 13 b.Arkansas in 1870 is enumerated in Newton,Taney Co. > Missouri in the household of Houston Hughes. > > There are family photos of William J Kincaid and George A Kincaid....and > also of my great grandfather James B Kincaid. > > 1860 Census Union Township, Newton Co.Arkansas > Kingcade Sherod 39yrs Tenn > Jane 26 yrs Alabama > Williams Wiley 22yrs Farmhand Tenn > Joseph P 14yrs Arkansas > William J 13yrs Arkansas > George A 12yrs Arkansas > Cinthia A 6yrs Arkansas > John H 3 yrs Arkansas > James B 2 yrs Arkansas > > Land Record; No.8531 Land Office at Fayetteville, Dec 30 1856. John Hughes > of Newton Co, State of Arkansas, on this day purchased of the register of > this office, the lot or South West Quarter of the North East Quarter of > Section No.Twenty Four in Township No.Thirteen North of Range No.Twenty > Two West containing forty acres at the rate of $1.00 per acre. [This land > is just below the town of Limestone in the Boston Mts. section of the > Ozark National Forest. It is a few miles north of the border with Johnson > Co.] > > Sherod A Kincaid farmed and payed taxes on the above property. > > Property Tax Records; From the Arkansas History Commission > Sherod A Kincaid paid property tax from 1860-1861 in Newton Co.Arkansas on > this property; > Township=13N SW 1/4 OF THE NE 1/4 > Section=24 Located near the town of > Range=22W Limestone,Arkansas > Sherod A Kincaid payed personal property tax in Newton Co.Arkansas from > 1857-1859. He was not charged for the acreage on these taxes. > > Newton County tax records start again in 1871. > > John Hughes bought property in Johnson Co. Arkansas in Township 11N > Section 10 Range 21W in March 1860.This area is south of the above > property. > > 1860 Census Pilot Rock, Johnson Co. Arkansas > Hughes John 32 yrs Alabama > Cynthia 26 yrs Missouri > John 10 yrs Arkansas > Margaret 6 yrs Arkansas > Houston 4 yrs Arkansas > Thomas 2 yrs Arkansas > > 1850 Census Perry Co.Arkansas > Hughes John 23 yrs Tenn [sic other census years lists Alabama] > Cynthia E 15yrs Missouri > Houston 21 Tenn [sic: other census years lists Alabama] > > Arkansas Marriage Records; Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes m. 16 Jan 1853 > Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas, marriage solomized by George Horner minister > of the gospel of the Baptist Faith. Can be found at > Familysearch.org/record search, indexed as Sherwood King, but the actual > record says Sherwood King Cade and Jane Huse. > > 1850 Census Boston Township, Franklin Co. Arkansas > Kincade Sherod 29yrs Tenn > Eliza 25yrs Alabama > Joseph P 4yrs Arkansas > William J 3yrs Arkansas > George A 3/12 Arkansas > Jane Hughs 17yrs Alabama > > Summary: > The 1850 & 1860 censuses do not list relationship to head of household and > there was turbulence during the time Sherod died so any recording of his > death or probate procedings is unlikely, especially since the courthouse > where such data would be stored burned down. The likelihood of obtaining > direct proof that James A was the son of Sherod and Jane Hughs is very low > because the required records were never made or have not survived. By > combining family lore passed down in a position to have known the > principles, labeled family photographs, DNA and what records do still > exist, it is believed that enough evidence has been gathered to show that > James B., father of George W. was born in Newton Co. AR, to a man named > Kincaid with a wife whose maiden name has been passed down as Hughs. That > James B. had a sister named Cinthia Ann and a close relationship to other > children listed in the 1860 census of Sherod Kincaid. That Sherod lived in > the Boston Mts. where James B is purported to! > have lived as a child, married a woman named Hughs and has 2 censuses > consistent with a nuclear family which includes James B born circa 1858. > Sherod disappears from all records during a time period consistent with > family lore. The children living in his 1860 household appear either on > their own or in scattered households which is consistent with the death of > their parents between the 2 censuses. While additional records would be > welcome, the consistency of lore and those records found are believed > sufficient to prove relationship. > > ____________________________________________ > Sherod Kincaid b. abt 1821Tennessee d. bet 1862 - 1870 Newton Co, Arkansas > m 1st Eliza m 2nd 16 Jan 1853 Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas to Jane Hughes. > > Son of unproven > [note: the following is provided as a starting point for further research > and is not meant to indicate a vettible relationship] > > Likely parents; Joseph Kincaid and Elizabeth (unknown) > > What is known; > [note: Newton, Madison and Johnson Counties Arkansas are contingent. > Franklin Co is contingent with Madison and Johnson Cos. Pope and Yell > Counties are contingent south of Johnson Co. The following censuses > establish the ages and birth places of Elizabeth's children for comparison > to Joseph's censuses which follow] > > 1850 Census Boston, Franklin Co, Arkansas > Kincade Elizabeth 54yrs NC > Joseph L 20yrs Tennessee > Nancy A 16yrs Alabama > Elizabeth 15yrs Alabama > William G W 11yrs Alabama > [note: Sherod is in 1850 census above living next door] > > Taylor Co,Texas August 24 1904 issue of the Abilene Reporter, Death > notice for William George Washington Kincaid, died at his home near > Buffalo Gap, Texas on August 22 1904.It states that he was a native of > Alabama and moved with his parents to Arkansas when he was three years > old. He went to Texas in 1860 and from there he enlisted in the > Confederate Army. After the war he married Miss Annie Elizabeth Clark in > 1867. Mrs Kincaid, the widow, and ten children survive. Eulogy published > in the May 1905 issue of "The Confederate Veteran Magazine". Letters from > Margaret Street, granddaughter of William through his daughter Lula Clark > Kincaid and Marshal Ray Street, say William was born in Larkinsville, > Alabama. His tombstone has engraved on it (born) March 6 1839. > > > > 1880 Census Coryell Co, Texas > Kincaide W. G. W. 42yrs Alabama Ky NC > A.E. 29yrs Tenn > W.L.D. 12yrs Texas > E.O. 10yrs Texas > J.L. 8yrs Texas > M.M. 6yrs Texas > A.E. 3yrs Texas > O.G. 1yrs Texas > McMillan S.C. 56yrs sister Tenn Ky NC > > 1850 Census Spadra, Johnson Co, Arkansas > McMillan Edward A 38yrs North Carolina > Sarah C 24yrs Alabama (sic, other census list Tenn) > Amanda J 8yrs Tenn > Eliza A 2yrs Arkansas > (Johnson Co.is next to Franklin & Newton Co.) > > Sarah C McMillan's daughter Eliza A McMillan m.17 Sept 1872 Dover, Pope > Co, Arkansas to Alvin Dean Raulston. Alvin's daughter Mary E Raulston m.8 > March 1871 Yell Co, Arkansas to William J Kincaid son of Sherod Kincaid > and Eliza.. > > Eliza A McMillan's Family Bible Record lists her mother Sarah C McMillan > b.1824 Alabama. > > Note; > Larkinsville is in Jackson Co, Alabama.In 1830 there is a James Kincaid,1m > 20-30,1m under 5,1f 20-30,1f 5-10. He appears along with Joseph Kincaid > enumerated on the same page. > > Tax Record; There is a tax record for Joseph Kincaid for 1842, Madison Co, > Arkansas. > > 1840 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > Joseph Kincade > males:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > females:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 10-15, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > > [for comparison: > Joseph (deceased 1850), Sherod b 1820-1 TN, Joseph b 1830 TN, William G W > b 1839 ALA > Elizabeth b 1796 NC, Sarah b 1824 TN or ALA, (missing daughter), Nancy b > 1834 ALA, Elizabeth b 1835 ALA.] > > 1830 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > Joseph Kincaid > males: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > female: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > _______________________________ > Joseph Kincaid b 1794-1800 KY d.bet 1843-1850 Arkansas m.abt 1820 > Elizabeth (unknown) > > Son of: unproven > Likely parents: Hobson Kincaid and Sarah McClure > > What is known: > > 1820 Census Franklin Co, TN (only other Kincaid in County) > Hopson Kingcade 1m 45+, 1m 26-45, 2m 16-26, 1m 10-16, 1f 45+, 1f 16-26, 1f > 10-16 > > Hopson is listed on the 1792 Clark Co. KY tax lists. > > Hobson Kincaid was the son of John Kincaid and Elizabeth Logan and > grandson of David Kincaid and Winifred Hobson of Albemarle Co. VA. The > Family Bible that was given to Elizabeth Logan Kincaid in 1756 by her > father (sic, father-in-law) David Kincaid, lists Hobson's birth as Nov. 24 > 1763. > > There is strong circumstancial reason to believe that dna participant > 28835 is a des.of John/Elizabeth Logan's son Robert. Amon's DNA matches > #28835's DNA at all but 1 marker. The match includes 2 significant > mutations. The 1st, a 12 at marker 26 (DYS 460) places them in A-1b along > with a descendent of Joseph Kincaid of Albemarle Co. VA, possible brother > to David. The 2nd, an 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391), is unique in A-1b. The > unmatched results show a step up and a step down from the group A AVV at > volitile marker 34 (CDYa). > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >