Excuse me folks, but my interest in this site is Kincaid genealogy not exposing the wide variation in political views that must exist within our "family". I really appreciate the hard work and information provided by this group but I don't appreciate discussions that belong on other forums. In all familial love and caring, Yours Aye, Jack Earl Kincaid On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Don W Kincaid <[email protected]> wrote: > I can't speak for anyone else but I and the folks I have visited with think > the person or persons who stole the data from government computers should be > charged and convicted of whatever crime it is considered. We also feel that > Wikileaks is being an accomplice in the matter, having likely paid the > person or persons who stole the data and is due some punishment or at least > restrictions. It would be similar to receiving stolen merchandise, knowing > it had been stolen, thus an accomplish, regardless of their citizenship. I > have only seen a few of the cables printed in the New York Times and I > thought they just copied them off the Wikileaks website after Wikileaks had > already done the damage. We also believe the stolen data is very damaging to > many countries around the world even though many officials are saying it is > not......you might say we don't believe the politicians or press for > everything they say or print or televise. The situation is a little bit of a > Robin Hood story! > in that many bad situations have been exposed to the ordinary folks of the > world which is good. However state department folks from all countries > around the world will be hesitant to put anything in writing now which will > likely slow diplomatic efforts to solve several world problems. We believe > the overall effect of the leaks will be felt for some time with some quick > repercussions between a few countries but most will live through it. I > sincerely hope all governments will be more careful with their confidential > messages in the future and prevent the possibility of data being stolen. > Please keep in mind that politicians of all parties use unusual events to > get publicity! > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter A. Kincaid > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:52 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Wikileaks > > > I wonder how regular Americans like yourself is looking > at the Wikileaks situation. What seems to be the > consensus there? > > >From an outside perspective listening to American media > the West is taking a big hit on this. It is not from the release > of the information though, but on how American officials are > reacting to it. The US is supposed to be for free speech and > rule of law but are openly calling for the assassination or jailing > of Julian Assange without him being charged with any crime. > There was a crime committed but it was by an American in their > own system. The New York Times published the same data but > nobody is trying to assassinate them or bring financial ruin on > this newspaper. Some top American officials (Lieberman for > one) called for Assange to be brought to the US and charged > with treason. Treason is a crime against one's own country. > Assange is an Australian and never was an American. > > All in all, the US is looking real bad as these people seem to > think that when someone pisses them off then their laws > to get them should apply to the whole world. On the other > hand their free speech rights and rule of law rights don't apply. > I am hoping that the warped perspective only applies to the > American media. > > Peter > > P.S. Don't get me wrong in that I certainly don't blame the US > governement for trying to punish Wikileaks business wise. > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
You are right. I should have replied to Peter personally rather than on the list. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: JACK Kincaid To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Wikileaks Excuse me folks, but my interest in this site is Kincaid genealogy not exposing the wide variation in political views that must exist within our "family". I really appreciate the hard work and information provided by this group but I don't appreciate discussions that belong on other forums. In all familial love and caring, Yours Aye, Jack Earl Kincaid On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Don W Kincaid <[email protected]> wrote: > I can't speak for anyone else but I and the folks I have visited with think > the person or persons who stole the data from government computers should be > charged and convicted of whatever crime it is considered. We also feel that > Wikileaks is being an accomplice in the matter, having likely paid the > person or persons who stole the data and is due some punishment or at least > restrictions. It would be similar to receiving stolen merchandise, knowing > it had been stolen, thus an accomplish, regardless of their citizenship. I > have only seen a few of the cables printed in the New York Times and I > thought they just copied them off the Wikileaks website after Wikileaks had > already done the damage. We also believe the stolen data is very damaging to > many countries around the world even though many officials are saying it is > not......you might say we don't believe the politicians or press for > everything they say or print or televise. The situation is a little bit of a > Robin Hood story! > in that many bad situations have been exposed to the ordinary folks of the > world which is good. However state department folks from all countries > around the world will be hesitant to put anything in writing now which will > likely slow diplomatic efforts to solve several world problems. We believe > the overall effect of the leaks will be felt for some time with some quick > repercussions between a few countries but most will live through it. I > sincerely hope all governments will be more careful with their confidential > messages in the future and prevent the possibility of data being stolen. > Please keep in mind that politicians of all parties use unusual events to > get publicity! > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter A. Kincaid > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:52 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Wikileaks > > > I wonder how regular Americans like yourself is looking > at the Wikileaks situation. What seems to be the > consensus there? > > >From an outside perspective listening to American media > the West is taking a big hit on this. It is not from the release > of the information though, but on how American officials are > reacting to it. The US is supposed to be for free speech and > rule of law but are openly calling for the assassination or jailing > of Julian Assange without him being charged with any crime. > There was a crime committed but it was by an American in their > own system. The New York Times published the same data but > nobody is trying to assassinate them or bring financial ruin on > this newspaper. Some top American officials (Lieberman for > one) called for Assange to be brought to the US and charged > with treason. Treason is a crime against one's own country. > Assange is an Australian and never was an American. > > All in all, the US is looking real bad as these people seem to > think that when someone pisses them off then their laws > to get them should apply to the whole world. On the other > hand their free speech rights and rule of law rights don't apply. > I am hoping that the warped perspective only applies to the > American media. > > Peter > > P.S. Don't get me wrong in that I certainly don't blame the US > governement for trying to punish Wikileaks business wise. > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Agreed. Again my mistake! Sorry. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Wikileaks > Excuse me folks, but my interest in this site is Kincaid genealogy not > exposing the wide variation in political views that must exist within our > "family". > I really appreciate the hard work and information provided by this group > but > I don't appreciate discussions that belong on other forums. > In all familial love and caring, > Yours Aye, > Jack Earl Kincaid > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Don W Kincaid <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I can't speak for anyone else but I and the folks I have visited with >> think >> the person or persons who stole the data from government computers should >> be >> charged and convicted of whatever crime it is considered. We also feel >> that >> Wikileaks is being an accomplice in the matter, having likely paid the >> person or persons who stole the data and is due some punishment or at >> least >> restrictions. It would be similar to receiving stolen merchandise, >> knowing >> it had been stolen, thus an accomplish, regardless of their citizenship. >> I >> have only seen a few of the cables printed in the New York Times and I >> thought they just copied them off the Wikileaks website after Wikileaks >> had >> already done the damage. We also believe the stolen data is very damaging >> to >> many countries around the world even though many officials are saying it >> is >> not......you might say we don't believe the politicians or press for >> everything they say or print or televise. The situation is a little bit >> of a >> Robin Hood story! >> in that many bad situations have been exposed to the ordinary folks of >> the >> world which is good. However state department folks from all countries >> around the world will be hesitant to put anything in writing now which >> will >> likely slow diplomatic efforts to solve several world problems. We >> believe >> the overall effect of the leaks will be felt for some time with some >> quick >> repercussions between a few countries but most will live through it. I >> sincerely hope all governments will be more careful with their >> confidential >> messages in the future and prevent the possibility of data being stolen. >> Please keep in mind that politicians of all parties use unusual events to >> get publicity! >> >> Don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Peter A. Kincaid >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:52 PM >> Subject: [KINCAID] Wikileaks >> >> >> I wonder how regular Americans like yourself is looking >> at the Wikileaks situation. What seems to be the >> consensus there? >> >> >From an outside perspective listening to American media >> the West is taking a big hit on this. It is not from the release >> of the information though, but on how American officials are >> reacting to it. The US is supposed to be for free speech and >> rule of law but are openly calling for the assassination or jailing >> of Julian Assange without him being charged with any crime. >> There was a crime committed but it was by an American in their >> own system. The New York Times published the same data but >> nobody is trying to assassinate them or bring financial ruin on >> this newspaper. Some top American officials (Lieberman for >> one) called for Assange to be brought to the US and charged >> with treason. Treason is a crime against one's own country. >> Assange is an Australian and never was an American. >> >> All in all, the US is looking real bad as these people seem to >> think that when someone pisses them off then their laws >> to get them should apply to the whole world. On the other >> hand their free speech rights and rule of law rights don't apply. >> I am hoping that the warped perspective only applies to the >> American media. >> >> Peter >> >> P.S. Don't get me wrong in that I certainly don't blame the US >> governement for trying to punish Wikileaks business wise. >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message