I think so too! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > Yes on 190139 matching 36856 & 30078 except for marker 26. Sue is busy > baking today so I am answering. > > I think this demonstrates that Group A is one big family. > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Lou Clegg > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:24 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > > > Does that mean that he matches 36856 and 30078 who are descended from > James > Gillespie Kincaid at all markers except marker 26? > > Mary Lou > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > > > > The last of the results for 190139 have been returned from the lab. He > > matches the Group A Apparent Ancestral Values at all 67 markers except > for > > marker 26 (DYS 460). Where he has a 12 instead of the AAV value of 11, > > which > > puts him in A-1b. > > > > This is quite a surprise as the participant believes descent from James > > Gillespie/Mary Tritt. Vetted descendents of James G do not have this > > variance. They are in A-1a Fayette. Since this is a significant > mutation, > > in > > order to prove descent from James G, the mutation needs to be isolated > > downline from James G. through additional testing and iron-clad > paperwork. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > > To join the DNA project, go to: > > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It would really be nice if this mutation could be isolated downline from James Gillespie. There is another incidence where paperwork suggests that a participant descends from Joseph of Albemarle but does not have this mutation. If the two participants could show where the variance occurs and have good paperwork, it might indicate that this marker is not as a good predictor as it has looked like in the past i.e. like the marker 4 mutation to 11 it may be more volitile within our project than others. FTDNA says they are both fairly stable alleles so any parallel mutation would be rare. All A-1 are fairly close genetically and seem to be close socially in the locations where the subsets both exist. I suspect that 1b's founding ancestor may have been the father, grandfather or greatgrandfather of Joseph. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Clegg" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 >I think so too! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:56 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > > >> Yes on 190139 matching 36856 & 30078 except for marker 26. Sue is busy >> baking today so I am answering. >> >> I think this demonstrates that Group A is one big family. >> >> Don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mary Lou Clegg >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 >> >> >> Does that mean that he matches 36856 and 30078 who are descended from >> James >> Gillespie Kincaid at all markers except marker 26? >> >> Mary Lou >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:11 AM >> Subject: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 >> >> >> > The last of the results for 190139 have been returned from the lab. He >> > matches the Group A Apparent Ancestral Values at all 67 markers except >> for >> > marker 26 (DYS 460). Where he has a 12 instead of the AAV value of 11, >> > which >> > puts him in A-1b. >> > >> > This is quite a surprise as the participant believes descent from >> James >> > Gillespie/Mary Tritt. Vetted descendents of James G do not have this >> > variance. They are in A-1a Fayette. Since this is a significant >> mutation, >> > in >> > order to prove descent from James G, the mutation needs to be isolated >> > downline from James G. through additional testing and iron-clad >> paperwork. >> > >> > Sue Liedtke >> > >> > >> > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> > >> > To join the DNA project, go to: >> > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >