IF, as I believe, the grandfather of James Gillespie is Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid which I think can be proven through GPS and (again IF, this one would be much harder to prove and would require additional testing) Thomas is the son of John the Weaver, then we are talking about a very close social family in Albemarle Co. with at least one researcher suggesting that they were brothers and cousins. Unless there is a maternal connection (as is the case on Anthony Creek in Greenbrier Co. and Jackson River in Alleghany Co. where the Elliot and Dean families closely connect C-2 and A-1 Kincaids) then the genetic connection in Albemarle could be no more than a generation or 2 back. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > 190139 matches James Elliott Kincaid, # 2563 on all 67 markers which > suggests John the Patriarch and James Gillespie Kincaid (or perhaps his > possible father John Kincaid) have a common ancestor a short distance > upstream. I am encouraged that a common ancestor may be found in time > between some sets in Group A. > > I agree with Sue that vetting for 80852, whose lineage appears to go back > to Joseph of Albemarle Co, and 190139, whose lineage is likely to show > back to James Gillespie, would be very helpful in identifying prospects > for isolating the mutations in both lines. I believe both of these > mutations show the strong relationship between Group A sets 1a & 1b. We > will work to find participants to help isolate the mutations and encourage > Kincaid List members to do the same. > > Looking strictly at Set 1b, we now have participants who believe descent > from John Kincaid of Sadsbury, Chester County, PA, John Kincaid, The > Patriarch of PA, VA and NC, Joseph Kincaid of Albemarle County, VA, David > Kincaid of several counties in VA and James Gillespie Kincaid of WV. If > James Gillespie Kincaid's father turns out to be John Kincaid as many > believe that would make 3 most distant ancestors a John Kincaid out of the > 5 mentioned which could be significant in trying to find a common ancestor > although I view naming patterns as a clue rather than evidence. Joseph > Kincaid named his son John and David named one of his sons John. > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Liedtke > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > > > It would really be nice if this mutation could be isolated downline from > James Gillespie. There is another incidence where paperwork suggests that > a > participant descends from Joseph of Albemarle but does not have this > mutation. If the two participants could show where the variance occurs > and > have good paperwork, it might indicate that this marker is not as a good > predictor as it has looked like in the past i.e. like the marker 4 > mutation > to 11 it may be more volitile within our project than others. FTDNA says > they are both fairly stable alleles so any parallel mutation would be > rare. > > All A-1 are fairly close genetically and seem to be close socially in the > locations where the subsets both exist. I suspect that 1b's founding > ancestor may have been the father, grandfather or greatgrandfather of > Joseph. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Lou Clegg" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 6:20 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > > > >I think so too! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > > > > > >> Yes on 190139 matching 36856 & 30078 except for marker 26. Sue is > busy > >> baking today so I am answering. > >> > >> I think this demonstrates that Group A is one big family. > >> > >> Don > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Mary Lou Clegg > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:24 AM > >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > >> > >> > >> Does that mean that he matches 36856 and 30078 who are descended from > >> James > >> Gillespie Kincaid at all markers except marker 26? > >> > >> Mary Lou > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:11 AM > >> Subject: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > >> > >> > >> > The last of the results for 190139 have been returned from the lab. > He > >> > matches the Group A Apparent Ancestral Values at all 67 markers > except > >> for > >> > marker 26 (DYS 460). Where he has a 12 instead of the AAV value of > 11, > >> > which > >> > puts him in A-1b. > >> > > >> > This is quite a surprise as the participant believes descent from > >> James > >> > Gillespie/Mary Tritt. Vetted descendents of James G do not have > this > >> > variance. They are in A-1a Fayette. Since this is a significant > >> mutation, > >> > in > >> > order to prove descent from James G, the mutation needs to be > isolated > >> > downline from James G. through additional testing and iron-clad > >> paperwork. > >> > > >> > Sue Liedtke > >> > > >> > > >> > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > >> > > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >> > > >> > To join the DNA project, go to: > >> > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > >> > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >> > >> To join the DNA project, go to: > >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >> > >> To join the DNA project, go to: > >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > > To join the DNA project, go to: > > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >