Sue raises part of an interesting issue- The presence of a Mary Kincaid in the household of a Thomas Kincaid(Isabella) in the 1850 Fayette County WV census. However in the same 1850 census a Mary Kincaid 42 yr. old also appears in the household of Thomas Kincaid in the Lewis County WV (Virginia) census. This household also contains a Lucinda Claypole 28 yrs. old. Can Mary ("Polly" Davis) Kincaid be in two households in the 1850 census? This remains a mystery. In 1851 Lucinda Claypole buys property in Lewis County which eventually is delivered to Henry Kincaid, son of Thomas Kincaid of Lewis County and the aforesaid Lucinda Claypole. A branch of the George Washington Kincaid family of Fayette (and then Roane) County West Virginia is impacted heavily by a genetic polycystic disease. This disease results from a dominent gene (and death without a kidney transplant) and impacts fully one-half of the family documented from Willie Homer KIncaid and on (WHK is the father of #49289). Many of my first cousins are directly dealing with this issue. Perhaps this genetic situation which I am trying to tract backward from WHK may be a reason for certain of the mutations observed. This is a lay observation as I am not a trained geneticist. Cheers! On Apr 30, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Sue Liedtke wrote: > It would be wonderful if those of you who have a few minutes could look over > this post as to the viability of the links. Comments and questioned are > welcome. > > The last link from George Washington to Thomas/Polly Davis is of special > interest as it affects 2 other participants (#49289 & #135736) vetted to > George Washington/Mary Catherine Campbell through son George William/Lula > Jane Burke. Lines down from Thomas/Mary (Polly) Davis apparently mutate > readily. #136736 has the Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A. Both 49289 > and 152189 have 2 variances from the AAV which do not match each other. > #33001 who is vetted to Thomas/Polly has one variance from the Group A AAV. > #101753, vetted to Harvey Kincaid who is believed to be a descendent of > Thomas/Polly, has 1 variance from the AAV (does not match the others). > > #152191 and #155289 are believed to descend from Danial Thomas Kincaid, son > of George Washington. Both have the same variances as 152189. 152191 has one > additional variance. Vetting posts for these lines may appear at a later > time. > > A brief comment on the death date for Thomas/Polly Davis which is based on > the belief of descendents that Thomas abandoned his Fayette Co. family and > started a new family in Lewis Co. VA/WVA (believed descendent #156149 who > has no mutations from Group A AAV). Bob Arnott and the Lewis Co clerks > office have determined that the actual death date for Lewis Co. Thomas is > 1873 as the entry appears among other 1873 deaths. A vetting post for > #156149 to Thomas/Lucinda Claypool of Lewis Co. should appear within the > week. > > Thomas of Fayette Co. disappears from tax lists in the late 1840's. Mary, > age 53 widow appears in the 1850 Fayette Co. census along with Isabella 17 > and Mary C. age 17 in the household of Thomas age 21 married within the > year. Isabella is the sister of Mary Catherine Campbell, wife of George > Washington. This Thomas's second marriage record to Eliza Townsend states > his parents as Thomas & Mary Kincaid. For this and other reasons best left > to another post we believe that Mary, widow is Mary (Polly) Davis Kincaid. > #130207 believes descent from Thomas/Eliza Townsend. He has 3 variances from > the Group A AAV. > > Whether Thomas died in Lewis Co. 1873 or prior to 1850 in Fayette Co. does > not affect linking of George Washington to Thomas/Polly Davis. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Clegg" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:11 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] Vetting for Charles Edward Kincaid #152189 to Fayette Co. > WV[VA] > > >> >> Participant #152189 Charles Edward Kincaid >> Group A-1a Fayette Co. >> Researcher/contact Michael and Mary Lou Clegg >> >> Lineage Review >> Charles Edward Kincaid 1929-2010 >> Newman Early Kincaid 1874-1954 >> Daniel Thomas Kincaid 1848-1929 >> George W. Kincaid 1818-1898 >> Thomas Kincaid 1795-1875? >> _______________________________ >> CHARLES EDWARD KINCAID >> Born 6 Jul 1929 Tupper’s Plains, Meigs Co. OH >> Married 25 May 1950 Richmond, Wayne Co. IN to Elizabeth Belle Eubanks >> Died 30 Mar 2010 Veterans Hospital, Salem, Roanoke Co.VA >> >> Son of Newman Early Kincaid and Rebecca Florence Hill >> >> Proven by: >> >> State of OH birth record #H2170475, file #1929062275 for Charles Edward >> Kincaid. >> Date of birth 6 Jul 1929, Birthplace OH, Sex male, Mother’s name >> Florence Kincaid, maiden name Hill, Father’s name Newman Kincaid, mother >> and father both born WV >> >> 1930 Census Lubeck, Wood Co. WV, ED 3 p.30B, roll 2558, 2 May 1930 >> Newman E. Kincaid head 56 mar at age 27 farmer WV WV WV (all listed the >> same) >> Florence wife 45 mar at age 19 >> J. Virgie son 27 farm laborer >> Otto D. son 24 truck driver/milk route >> Hazel dau 19 >> Rubal dau 17 >> Dorsel E. son 16 >> Rosella dau 12 >> Jewell son 10 >> James M. son 8 >> Newman E. Jr. son 6 >> Kenneth L. son 4 >> Charles E. son 9/12 >> >> I [Michael Clegg] knew Charlie [my great-uncle] who was acknowledged to >> be the son of Newman Early Kincaid and Rebecca Florence Hill and >> grandson of Daniel Thomas Kincaid and Martha Ellen Brannon, by all of >> his older brothers and sisters, most of whom I also knew well. >> _________________________________ >> NEWMAN EARLY KINCAID >> Born 28 Mar 1874 Spencer, Roane Co. WV >> Married 18 Aug 1901 Spencer, Roane Co. WV to Rebecca Florence Hill >> Died 18 May 1954 Galena, Delaware Co. OH >> >> Son of Daniel Thomas Kincaid and Martha Ellen Brannon >> >> Proven by: >> 1900 Census Smithfield, Roane Co. WV, ED 102 p.1B, 1 Jun 1900 >> Daniel Kincaid head Sep 1848 m 27y farmer WV WV WV (all listed the >> same) >> Martha A wife Jun 1855 m. 27y >> Newman E son Mar 1875 farmer >> John M [S] son Mar 1878 farm laborer >> Orta G [Otto G] son Mar 1880 farm laborer >> Elden C son Jan 1882 farm laborer >> Roxie M. dau Apr 1884 at school >> Martha M dau Apr 1886 at school >> Daniel R son Jan 1888 farm laborer >> Lexie A dau Oct 1890 at school >> Dona E dau Feb 1892 at school >> Alva A son Mar 1895 >> Emma O dau Feb 1899 >> >> 1880 Census Smithfield, Roane Co. WV, ED 123 p. 67D, roll 1413, 11 Jun >> 1880 >> Daniel T. Kincade 30 farmer VA VA VA >> Martha E. 26 wife VA VA VA >> Newman E. son 6 WV VA VA >> Malisa dau 4 WV VA VA >> John S. son 2 WV VA VA >> Arta G?. 2/12 b. March WV VA VA >> >> I [Michael Clegg] met Elden Kincaid [my great grand uncle] at a family >> reunion in the mid to late 1970’s in Columbus, OH. He told me he [Elden] >> was a brother of Newman Early Kincaid and that they are sons of Daniel >> Thomas Kincaid and Martha Ellen Brannon, and the grandsons of George W. >> Kincaid and Mary Campbell. >> __________________________ >> DANIEL THOMAS KINCAID >> Born 16 Sep 1848 in Fayette Co. WV >> Married 24 Apr 1872 Roane Co. WV to Martha Ellen Brannon >> Died 15 Jan 1929 Spencer, Roane Co. WV >> >> Son of George W. Kincaid and Mary Catherine Campbell >> >> Proven by: >> >> Death Certificate State of WV # 2118 for 1929 >> Daniel Thomas Kincaid died 15 Jan 1929 Spencer, Roane Co. WV, born 16 >> Sep 1848 Fayette Co. WV, father: George W. Kincaid born Fayette Co. WV, >> mother Mary K. Campbell born Ireland [sic] [WV], informant wife Martha >> E. Brannon Kincaid >> >> Marriage Certificate Roane Co. WV, Marriage Book 1 p. 22 >> D.T. Kincaid and M.E. Brannon were married by S. M. Ferrel on 24 Apr >> 1872 in Roane Co. WV. D.T. Kincaid was 23y old and was born in Fayette >> Co. the son of G.W. and Mary Catherine Kincaid. M.E. Brannon was 18y old >> and was born in Jackson Co. WV the dau of J.S. and Sarah Brannon >> >> 1870 Census Smithfield, Roane Co. WV roll 1699 p. 53B, 19 Jul 1870 >> Kincaid, G. W. 53 M farmer VA (listed for all) b. in month of Apr >> Mary C. 45 F b. Mar >> Daniel T. 20 M b. Sep >> George W. 16 M b. Apr >> Virginia M. 15 F b. Jul >> Rufus A. 14 M b. May >> Sarah M.12 F b. Sep >> Isabell 10 F. b. Jan >> Elizabeth F. 6 F. b. Jul >> >> 1860 Census P.O. Spencer, Roane Co. VA [WV] roll 1375 p. 610, 5 Jul >> 1860 >> Kinkaid, Geo W. 42 M farmer VA (all listed the same) >> Mary C. 32 F >> Daniel G [T] 11 M >> George W.10 M >> Virginia 7 F >> Rufus A 5 M >> Samuel M 3 M >> Sarah M 1 F >> [Adjacent household is Danial E. Campbell age 63 with Catherine 65, >> Sarah R. 15, Isabell 10, and Elizabeth F. 6] >> >> 1850 Census 14th District, Fayette Co. VA [WV] roll 943 p. 334A, 20 Jul >> 1850 >> Kincaid, George W. 33 M farmer VA (all listed the same) >> Mary C. 24 F >> Mary C. Jr. 3 F >> Danl Thos 1 M >> [Adjacent household is Danial E. Campbell, 53 with Catherine 49, >> Francis M 15, Augustus V 13, C.A. 10, and Sarah R., 5] >> >> History of Roane County [WV] from the Time of Its Exploration to A.D. >> 1927 by William H. Bishop. Spencer, WV copyright 1927. p. 573. >> “Daniel Thomas Kincaid, son of G.W. Kincaid, Sr. and Catherine >> (Campbell) was born in 1848, in Fayette County; on April 23, 1873, >> married Miss Martha E. Brannon, daughter of Solomon Brannon, of Spencer >> and Smithfield Districts. To Daniel E. [sic] and Martha, his wife, were >> born and by them reared the following five sons and seven daughters: >> Newman, Melissa, John S., Ott, Lexis, Seldon C., Martha May, Rosco, >> Ethel, Annice, Emma and Myrtle. These have married and have families and >> businesses.” >> [note: Book published 2 years before Daniel died so he is the likely >> source of the information] >> >> I [Michael Clegg] met Elden Kincaid [my great grand uncle] at a family >> reunion in the mid to late 1970’s in Columbus, OH. He told me he [Elden] >> was a brother of Newman Early Kincaid and that they are sons of Daniel >> Thomas Kincaid and Martha Ellen Brannon, and the grandsons of George W. >> Kincaid and Mary Campbell. >> ______________________________ >> GEORGE W. KINCAID >> Born 3 Mar 1818 WV [probably Greenbrier/Fayette Co. VA/WV] >> Married 9 Dec 1845 Fayette Co. WV to Mary Catherine Campbell >> Died 18 Feb 1898 [probably Roane Co. WV, no death record found] >> Buried Kincaid Cemetery near Clover, Roane Co. WV >> >> Son of Thomas Kincaid and Mary Davis >> >> Proven by: >> >> History of Roane County [WV] from the Time of Its Exploration to A.D. >> 1927 by William H. Bishop. Spencer, WV copyright 1927. p. 573. >> “George Washington Kincaid, and his wife, Catherin [sic] (Campbell, >> daughter of Daniel Campbell), who were married in Fayette County, >> Western Virginia, with their three first born children, came to Roane >> County in the year 1856; settled near Looneyville. George Washington >> Kincaid was a son of Thomas and (……Davis) Kincaid, who were married in >> Greenbrier County, West Virginia, both descendants of Scotch Irish >> settlers of old Virginia….The sons and daughters of George W. and >> Catherine, his wife, were Daniel Thomas, George W., Jr., Seldon, Rufus >> A.; Virginia, wife of Phillip Ellis; Sarah, wife of Elkanah Summerfield; >> Belle married Hilary Upton; Frances married a Kincaid of another >> family.” >> >> [1820-40 Censuses for Thomas Kincaid see below. George W. fits into >> appropriate sex and age categories for all three censuses] >> >> 1840 Census Fayette Co. VA [WV] roll 555 p. 161 >> Kincaid, Thomas Sr. M<5 1, M10-14 3, M15-19 2, M20-29 2, M40-49 1, F<5 >> 1, F40-49 1 >> >> 1830 Census Greenbrier Co. VA [WV] roll 190 p. 186 >> Kincaid, Thomas S, M<5 3, M5-9 3, M10-14 2, M30-39 1, F10-14 1, F30-39 >> 1. >> >> 1820 Census Lewisburg, Greenbrier Co. VA [WV] roll 132 p. 180 >> Kincaid, Thomas, M<10y 3, M 26-44 1, F<10 1, F16-25 1 >> >> Marriage Record Fayette Co. Book 1 p. 38 >> George Kincaid to Catherine Campbell on 9 Dec 1845 by Rev. Martin T. >> Bibb [no parents listed] >> ________________________________ >> THOMAS KINCAID >> Born ca.1795 VA [WV] >> Married 10 Jan 1815 Greenbrier Co. VA [WV] to Mary Davis >> >> Marriage Records of Greenbrier County VA [WV] >> 67. Kincaide, Thomas and Davis, Polly (1815) >> Marriage bond for Thomas Kincaid and Polly Davis. Preprinted form, bond >> date 7 Jan 1815, bondsmen Thomas Kincaid and William Davis, both made >> their mark, space for witness signature is blank. >> >> Hand written permission slip: “January the 6th 1815 this is to certify >> that [I] do desire and grant you full authority to give my son Tho’s >> license for him and Polley Davis to get married under this my hand this >> day and year above written. Samuel Kinkead, Test. John Kinkead, William >> Davis (his mark)” >> >> Hand written Minister’s Certification: "To the Clerk of Greenbrier >> County VA, Sir this is to certify that I did on the 10th of Jan 1815 >> join together in the wholy state of matrimony Tho Kincade and Polly >> Davis of said County. Given under my hand this 14th day of Jan’y 1815 >> Joseph Frye” >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Bob Arnott [email protected] (303)741-3468 (h) (303) 475-9885 (c)