In compiling the Kincaids from the 1880 Census I did find duplicate records for individuals and for households as well. I found that a family would list a son or a daughter in their own household when in fact that individual was living with a family by which they were employed and also listed by that household. Sincerely Norman Kincaide --- On Sat, 4/30/11, Bob Arnott <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Bob Arnott <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting for Charles Edward Kincaid #152189 to Fayette Co. WV[VA] > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 10:14 PM > Sue raises part of an interesting > issue- The presence of a Mary Kincaid in the household of a > Thomas Kincaid(Isabella) in the 1850 Fayette County WV > census. However in the same 1850 census a Mary Kincaid 42 > yr. old also appears in the household of Thomas Kincaid in > the Lewis County WV (Virginia) census. This household also > contains a Lucinda Claypole 28 yrs. old. Can Mary ("Polly" > Davis) Kincaid be in two households in the 1850 census? This > remains a mystery. In 1851 Lucinda Claypole buys property in > Lewis County which eventually is delivered to Henry Kincaid, > son of Thomas Kincaid of Lewis County and the aforesaid > Lucinda Claypole. > > A branch of the George Washington Kincaid family of Fayette > (and then Roane) County West Virginia is impacted heavily by > a genetic polycystic disease. This disease results from a > dominent gene (and death without a kidney transplant) and > impacts fully one-half of the family documented from Willie > Homer KIncaid and on (WHK is the father of #49289). Many of > my first cousins are directly dealing with this issue. > Perhaps this genetic situation which I am trying to tract > backward from WHK may be a reason for certain of the > mutations observed. This is a lay observation as I am not a > trained geneticist. > > Cheers! > > On Apr 30, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Sue Liedtke wrote: > > > It would be wonderful if those of you who have a few > minutes could look over > > this post as to the viability of the links. Comments > and questioned are > > welcome. > > > > The last link from George Washington to Thomas/Polly > Davis is of special > > interest as it affects 2 other participants (#49289 > & #135736) vetted to > > George Washington/Mary Catherine Campbell through son > George William/Lula > > Jane Burke. Lines down from Thomas/Mary (Polly) Davis > apparently mutate > > readily. #136736 has the Apparent Ancestral Values for > Group A. Both 49289 > > and 152189 have 2 variances from the AAV which do not > match each other. > > #33001 who is vetted to Thomas/Polly has one variance > from the Group A AAV. > > #101753, vetted to Harvey Kincaid who is believed to > be a descendent of > > Thomas/Polly, has 1 variance from the AAV (does not > match the others). > > > > #152191 and #155289 are believed to descend from > Danial Thomas Kincaid, son > > of George Washington. Both have the same variances as > 152189. 152191 has one > > additional variance. Vetting posts for these lines may > appear at a later > > time. > > > > A brief comment on the death date for Thomas/Polly > Davis which is based on > > the belief of descendents that Thomas abandoned his > Fayette Co. family and > > started a new family in Lewis Co. VA/WVA (believed > descendent #156149 who > > has no mutations from Group A AAV). Bob Arnott and the > Lewis Co clerks > > office have determined that the actual death date for > Lewis Co. Thomas is > > 1873 as the entry appears among other 1873 deaths. A > vetting post for > > #156149 to Thomas/Lucinda Claypool of Lewis Co. should > appear within the > > week. > > > > Thomas of Fayette Co. disappears from tax lists in the > late 1840's. Mary, > > age 53 widow appears in the 1850 Fayette Co. census > along with Isabella 17 > > and Mary C. age 17 in the household of Thomas age 21 > married within the > > year. Isabella is the sister of Mary Catherine > Campbell, wife of George > > Washington. This Thomas's second marriage record to > Eliza Townsend states > > his parents as Thomas & Mary Kincaid. For this and > other reasons best left > > to another post we believe that Mary, widow is Mary > (Polly) Davis Kincaid. > > #130207 believes descent from Thomas/Eliza Townsend. > He has 3 variances from > > the Group A AAV. > > > > Whether Thomas died in Lewis Co. 1873 or prior to 1850 > in Fayette Co. does > > not affect linking of George Washington to > Thomas/Polly Davis. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Clegg" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:11 AM > > Subject: [KINCAID] Vetting for Charles Edward Kincaid > #152189 to Fayette Co. > > WV[VA] > > > > > >> > >> Participant #152189 Charles Edward Kincaid > >> Group A-1a Fayette Co. > >> Researcher/contact Michael and Mary Lou Clegg > >> > >> Lineage Review > >> Charles Edward Kincaid 1929-2010 > >> Newman Early Kincaid 1874-1954 > >> Daniel Thomas Kincaid 1848-1929 > >> George W. Kincaid 1818-1898 > >> Thomas Kincaid 1795-1875? > >> _______________________________ > >> CHARLES EDWARD KINCAID > >> Born 6 Jul 1929 Tupper’s Plains, Meigs Co. OH > >> Married 25 May 1950 Richmond, Wayne Co. IN to > Elizabeth Belle Eubanks > >> Died 30 Mar 2010 Veterans Hospital, Salem, Roanoke > Co.VA > >> > >> Son of Newman Early Kincaid and Rebecca Florence > Hill > >> > >> Proven by: > >> > >> State of OH birth record #H2170475, file > #1929062275 for Charles Edward > >> Kincaid. > >> Date of birth 6 Jul 1929, Birthplace OH, Sex male, > Mother’s name > >> Florence Kincaid, maiden name Hill, Father’s > name Newman Kincaid, mother > >> and father both born WV > >> > >> 1930 Census Lubeck, Wood Co. WV, ED 3 p.30B, roll > 2558, 2 May 1930 > >> Newman E. Kincaid head 56 mar at age 27 farmer WV > WV WV (all listed the > >> same) > >> Florence wife 45 mar at age 19 > >> J. Virgie son  27 farm laborer > >> Otto D. son  24 truck driver/milk route > >> Hazel dau  19 > >> Rubal dau  17 > >> Dorsel E. son  16 > >> Rosella dau  12 > >> Jewell son  10 > >> James M. son   8 > >> Newman E. Jr. son   6 > >> Kenneth L. son   4 > >> Charles E. son   9/12 > >> > >> I [Michael Clegg] knew Charlie [my great-uncle] > who was acknowledged to > >> be the son of Newman Early Kincaid and Rebecca > Florence Hill and > >> grandson of Daniel Thomas Kincaid and Martha Ellen > Brannon, by all of > >> his older brothers and sisters, most of whom I > also knew well. > >> _________________________________ > >> NEWMAN EARLY KINCAID > >> Born 28 Mar 1874 Spencer, Roane Co. WV > >> Married 18 Aug 1901 Spencer, Roane Co. WV to > Rebecca Florence Hill > >> Died 18 May 1954 Galena, Delaware Co. OH > >> > >> Son of Daniel Thomas Kincaid and Martha Ellen > Brannon > >> > >> Proven by: > >> 1900 Census Smithfield, Roane Co. WV, ED 102 p.1B, > 1 Jun 1900 > >> Daniel Kincaid head Sep 1848 m 27y farmer WV WV WV > (all listed the > >> same) > >> Martha A wife Jun 1855 m. 27y > >> Newman E son  Mar 1875 farmer > >> John M [S] son Mar 1878 farm laborer > >> Orta G [Otto G]  son Mar 1880 farm laborer > >> Elden C  son  Jan 1882 farm laborer > >> Roxie M. dau  Apr 1884 at school > >> Martha M  dau  Apr 1886 at school > >> Daniel R  son  Jan 1888  farm > laborer > >> Lexie A dau  Oct 1890 at school > >> Dona E dau  Feb 1892 at school > >> Alva A son  Mar 1895 > >> Emma O dau  Feb 1899 > >> > >> 1880 Census Smithfield, Roane Co. WV, ED 123 p. > 67D, roll 1413, 11 Jun > >> 1880 > >> Daniel T. Kincade 30 farmer VA VA VA > >> Martha E. 26 wife VA VA VA > >> Newman E. son  6 WV VA VA > >> Malisa dau  4 WV VA VA > >> John S. son  2 WV VA VA > >> Arta G?. 2/12 b. March WV VA VA > >> > >> I [Michael Clegg] met Elden Kincaid [my great > grand uncle] at a family > >> reunion in the mid to late 1970’s in Columbus, > OH. He told me he [Elden] > >> was a brother of Newman Early Kincaid and that > they are sons of Daniel > >> Thomas Kincaid and Martha Ellen Brannon, and the > grandsons of George W. > >> Kincaid and Mary Campbell. > >> __________________________ > >> DANIEL THOMAS KINCAID > >> Born 16 Sep 1848 in Fayette Co. WV > >> Married 24 Apr 1872 Roane Co. WV to Martha Ellen > Brannon > >> Died 15 Jan 1929 Spencer, Roane Co. WV > >> > >> Son of George W. Kincaid and Mary Catherine > Campbell > >> > >> Proven by: > >> > >> Death Certificate State of WV # 2118 for 1929 > >> Daniel Thomas Kincaid died 15 Jan 1929 Spencer, > Roane Co. WV, born 16 > >> Sep 1848 Fayette Co. WV, father: George W. Kincaid > born Fayette Co. WV, > >> mother Mary K. Campbell born Ireland [sic] [WV], > informant wife Martha > >> E. Brannon Kincaid > >> > >> Marriage Certificate Roane Co. WV, Marriage Book 1 > p. 22 > >> D.T. Kincaid and M.E. Brannon were married by S. > M. Ferrel on 24 Apr > >> 1872 in Roane Co. WV. D.T. Kincaid was 23y old and > was born in Fayette > >> Co. the son of G.W. and Mary Catherine Kincaid. > M.E. Brannon was 18y old > >> and was born in Jackson Co. WV the dau of  > J.S. and Sarah Brannon > >> > >> 1870 Census Smithfield, Roane Co. WV roll 1699 p. > 53B, 19 Jul 1870 > >> Kincaid, G. W. 53 M farmer VA (listed for all) b. > in month of Apr > >> Mary C. 45 F  b. Mar > >> Daniel T. 20 M b. Sep > >> George W. 16 M b. Apr > >> Virginia M. 15 F  b. Jul > >> Rufus A. 14 M b. May > >> Sarah M.12 F  b. Sep > >> Isabell 10 F.  b. Jan > >> Elizabeth F. 6 F.  b. Jul > >> > >> 1860 Census P.O. Spencer, Roane Co. VA [WV] roll > 1375 p. 610, 5 Jul > >> 1860 > >> Kinkaid, Geo W. 42 M farmer VA (all listed the > same) > >> Mary C. 32 F > >> Daniel G [T] 11 M > >> George W.10 M > >> Virginia 7 F > >> Rufus A 5 M > >> Samuel M 3 M > >> Sarah M 1 F > >> [Adjacent household is Danial E. Campbell age 63 > with Catherine 65, > >> Sarah R. 15, Isabell 10, and Elizabeth F. 6] > >> > >> 1850 Census 14th District, Fayette Co. VA [WV] > roll 943 p. 334A, 20 Jul > >> 1850 > >> Kincaid, George W. 33 M farmer VA (all listed the > same) > >> Mary C. 24 F > >> Mary C. Jr. 3 F > >> Danl Thos 1 M > >> [Adjacent household is Danial E. Campbell, 53 with > Catherine 49, > >> Francis M 15, Augustus V 13, C.A. 10, and Sarah > R., 5] > >> > >> History of Roane County [WV] from the Time of Its > Exploration to A.D. > >> 1927 by William H. Bishop. Spencer, WV copyright > 1927.  p. 573. > >> “Daniel Thomas Kincaid, son of G.W. Kincaid, Sr. > and Catherine > >> (Campbell) was born in 1848, in Fayette County; on > April 23, 1873, > >> married Miss Martha E. Brannon, daughter of > Solomon Brannon, of Spencer > >> and Smithfield Districts. To Daniel E. [sic] and > Martha, his wife, were > >> born and by them reared the following five sons > and seven daughters: > >> Newman, Melissa, John S., Ott, Lexis, Seldon C., > Martha May, Rosco, > >> Ethel, Annice, Emma and Myrtle. These have married > and have families and > >> businesses.” > >> [note: Book published 2 years before Daniel died > so he is the likely > >> source of the information] > >> > >> I [Michael Clegg] met Elden Kincaid [my great > grand uncle] at a family > >> reunion in the mid to late 1970’s in Columbus, > OH. He told me he [Elden] > >> was a brother of Newman Early Kincaid and that > they are sons of Daniel > >> Thomas Kincaid and Martha Ellen Brannon, and the > grandsons of George W. > >> Kincaid and Mary Campbell. > >> ______________________________ > >> GEORGE W. KINCAID > >> Born 3 Mar 1818 WV [probably Greenbrier/Fayette > Co. VA/WV] > >> Married 9 Dec 1845 Fayette Co. WV to Mary > Catherine Campbell > >> Died 18 Feb 1898 [probably Roane Co. WV, no death > record found] > >> Buried Kincaid Cemetery near Clover, Roane Co. WV > >> > >> Son of Thomas Kincaid and Mary Davis > >> > >> Proven by: > >> > >> History of Roane County [WV] from the Time of Its > Exploration to A.D. > >> 1927 by William H. Bishop. Spencer, WV copyright > 1927.  p. 573. > >> “George Washington Kincaid, and his wife, > Catherin [sic] (Campbell, > >> daughter of Daniel Campbell), who were married in > Fayette County, > >> Western Virginia, with their three first born > children, came to Roane > >> County in the year 1856; settled near Looneyville. > George Washington > >> Kincaid was a son of Thomas and (……Davis) > Kincaid, who were married in > >> Greenbrier County, West Virginia, both descendants > of Scotch Irish > >> settlers of old Virginia….The sons and daughters > of George W. and > >> Catherine, his wife, were Daniel Thomas, George > W., Jr., Seldon, Rufus > >> A.; Virginia, wife of Phillip Ellis; Sarah, wife > of Elkanah Summerfield; > >> Belle married Hilary Upton; Frances married a > Kincaid of another > >> family.” > >> > >> [1820-40 Censuses for Thomas Kincaid see below. > George W. fits into > >> appropriate sex and age categories for all three > censuses] > >> > >> 1840 Census Fayette Co. VA [WV] roll 555 p. 161 > >> Kincaid, Thomas Sr. M<5 1, M10-14 3, M15-19 2, > M20-29 2, M40-49 1, F<5 > >> 1, F40-49 1 > >> > >> 1830 Census Greenbrier Co. VA [WV] roll 190 p. > 186 > >> Kincaid, Thomas S, M<5 3, M5-9 3, M10-14 2, > M30-39 1, F10-14 1, F30-39 > >> 1. > >> > >> 1820 Census Lewisburg, Greenbrier Co. VA [WV] roll > 132 p. 180 > >> Kincaid, Thomas, M<10y 3, M 26-44 1, F<10 1, > F16-25 1 > >> > >> Marriage Record Fayette Co. Book 1 p. 38 > >> George Kincaid to Catherine Campbell on 9 Dec 1845 > by Rev. Martin T. > >> Bibb [no parents listed] > >> ________________________________ > >> THOMAS KINCAID > >> Born ca.1795 VA [WV] > >> Married 10 Jan 1815 Greenbrier Co. VA [WV] to Mary > Davis > >> > >> Marriage Records of Greenbrier County VA [WV] > >> 67. Kincaide, Thomas and Davis, Polly (1815) > >> Marriage bond for Thomas Kincaid and Polly Davis. > Preprinted form, bond > >> date 7 Jan 1815, bondsmen Thomas Kincaid and > William Davis, both made > >> their mark, space for witness signature is blank. > >> > >> Hand written permission slip: “January the 6th > 1815 this is to certify > >> that [I] do desire and grant you full authority to > give my son Tho’s > >> license for him and Polley Davis to get married > under this my hand this > >> day and year above written. Samuel Kinkead, Test. > John Kinkead, William > >> Davis (his mark)” > >> > >> Hand written Minister’s Certification: "To the > Clerk of Greenbrier > >> County VA, Sir this is to certify that I did on > the 10th of Jan 1815 > >> join together in the wholy state of matrimony Tho > Kincade and Polly > >> Davis of said County. Given under my hand this > 14th day of Jan’y 1815 > >> Joseph Frye” > >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in > Excel: > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >> > >> To join the DNA project, go to: > >> > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > >> [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in > Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > > To join the DNA project, go to: > > > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > Bob Arnott > [email protected] > (303)741-3468 (h) > (303) 475-9885 (c) > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >