Peter, You have an obvioiusly different printout from what I have. Any chance of my obtaining a copy of what you have? I've never seen anything like what you have written below. Ruth In a message dated 3/8/2011 3:03:59 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I have a family history printout for the family with the last page on Herbert Clarke Kincaid and his family. The last line reads "It is up to Virginia and Robert to continue this history from July, 1941." Virginia and Robert were his children. It seems to me that Herbert Clarke Kincaid was the author and the printout was done in July, 1941 or soon thereafter. On the 7th page of this history he writes "I--Samuel Kincaid, Sr., eldest son of Alexander Kincaid, came to America in 1746 with his wife (name not given) and family. ..." He goes on the note George Kincaid as the second son, Robert Kincaid the third son, and James Kincaid the youngest son. I don't claim H.C. Kincaid to have been accurate but this seems clear on what he understood to be the case. I agree that had Samuel not been the eldest son then perhaps Samuel came in via the mother's father. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Alexander Kincaid, son of James Kincaid of that Ilk >I have tried to track the sources in the past and only go around in a > circle. I think I find a source and then find that when I track it further > someone got it from Herbert C. Kincaid. Very frustrating. > > The George Kinkead killed on Jackson River in 1756 was married to > Elizabeth > Dean and had a son Samuel from whom the line I research descends. Through > some non-concrete evidence, George and Elizabeth Dean appear to have also > had a son John who in turn also named a son Samuel. I cannot find where > Herbert C. Kincaid states that Samuel was the eldest son. I can only find > that > he calls them four brothers without saying who was born when or he says > Samuel and his brothers. I will re-read it again very carefully to see > where I > might have missed the age reference. > > To hypothesize further, perhaps the name Samuel came into favor from > Alexander's wife's father? This could be true if Samuel was in fact NOT > the > eldest. > > I'm in the middle of re-painting the house, remodeling a bathroom etc and > have dust everywhere. Please have patience with me if my memory is faulty > as > I don't know where anything is at the moment. <grin> > > Ruth > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2011 8:59:22 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Another problem I have with Herbert C. Kincaid's story of the > sons of Alexander is that he states that Samuel was the eldest > son. Samuel is not a name used by Kincaids in Scotland other > than one occurance in the Mochrum Parish area of Ayrshire in > the late 1600s. > > Has anyone seen papers of Herbert Clarke Kincaid? It would > be nice to trace the earliest reference to this story. > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Alexander Kincaid, son of James Kincaid of that > Ilk > > >> Peter, >> >> WOW - I like possibilities <grin> and no, I will be a good genealogist >> and >> won't take it as proof of the four brothers. Could you please tell us >> where a copy of this petition may be obtained? >> >> Ruth Cherecwich >> >> >> In a message dated 3/7/2011 7:19:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> I want to note that there was a petition by the heritors of >> Stirling dated 27 May 1700 which was signed by J. Kincaid >> of that Ilk and Alexander Kincaid, brother to the Laird of >> Kincaid. The J. Kincaid of that Ilk was John Kincaid of >> that Ilk, son of James Kincaid of that Ilk and Marion Boyd >> of Trochrig. There is nothing to say that Alexander was >> a legitimate brother of John or the son of Marion Boyd. >> However, he could very well have been. This is the first time >> I located a reference to Alexander. I previously noted that I >> had not found any evidence of a brother Alexander but I did >> find that John had an illegitimate son named Alexander. I have >> no idea what became of Alexander, brother of John. >> >> One will certainly look to the story of the four sons of >> Alexander Kincaid who supposedly came to America during >> the Jacobite rebellion. This is in no way proves that story >> but it does give some supporting evidence because the Alexander >> was stated to have been born about 1670 and was the second >> son. He certainly fits timeline wise. However, the same story says >> that another son, Alexander, remained in Scotland and became >> Lord Provost of Edinburgh. That part is clearly a provable >> myth. So one has to treat the story with caution but there may >> be some meat to it. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> Peter A. Kincaid >> Fredericton, NB, Canada To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am interested, too. Alice Gedge -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 3:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Alexander Kincaid, son of James Kincaid of that Ilk Peter, You have an obvioiusly different printout from what I have. Any chance of my obtaining a copy of what you have? I've never seen anything like what you have written below. Ruth In a message dated 3/8/2011 3:03:59 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I have a family history printout for the family with the last page on Herbert Clarke Kincaid and his family. The last line reads "It is up to Virginia and Robert to continue this history from July, 1941." Virginia and Robert were his children. It seems to me that Herbert Clarke Kincaid was the author and the printout was done in July, 1941 or soon thereafter. On the 7th page of this history he writes "I--Samuel Kincaid, Sr., eldest son of Alexander Kincaid, came to America in 1746 with his wife (name not given) and family. ..." He goes on the note George Kincaid as the second son, Robert Kincaid the third son, and James Kincaid the youngest son. I don't claim H.C. Kincaid to have been accurate but this seems clear on what he understood to be the case. I agree that had Samuel not been the eldest son then perhaps Samuel came in via the mother's father. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Alexander Kincaid, son of James Kincaid of that Ilk >I have tried to track the sources in the past and only go around in a > circle. I think I find a source and then find that when I track it further > someone got it from Herbert C. Kincaid. Very frustrating. > > The George Kinkead killed on Jackson River in 1756 was married to > Elizabeth > Dean and had a son Samuel from whom the line I research descends. Through > some non-concrete evidence, George and Elizabeth Dean appear to have also > had a son John who in turn also named a son Samuel. I cannot find where > Herbert C. Kincaid states that Samuel was the eldest son. I can only find > that > he calls them four brothers without saying who was born when or he says > Samuel and his brothers. I will re-read it again very carefully to see > where I > might have missed the age reference. > > To hypothesize further, perhaps the name Samuel came into favor from > Alexander's wife's father? This could be true if Samuel was in fact NOT > the > eldest. > > I'm in the middle of re-painting the house, remodeling a bathroom etc and > have dust everywhere. Please have patience with me if my memory is faulty > as > I don't know where anything is at the moment. <grin> > > Ruth > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2011 8:59:22 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Another problem I have with Herbert C. Kincaid's story of the > sons of Alexander is that he states that Samuel was the eldest > son. Samuel is not a name used by Kincaids in Scotland other > than one occurance in the Mochrum Parish area of Ayrshire in > the late 1600s. > > Has anyone seen papers of Herbert Clarke Kincaid? It would > be nice to trace the earliest reference to this story. > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 12:38 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Alexander Kincaid, son of James Kincaid of that > Ilk > > >> Peter, >> >> WOW - I like possibilities <grin> and no, I will be a good genealogist >> and >> won't take it as proof of the four brothers. Could you please tell us >> where a copy of this petition may be obtained? >> >> Ruth Cherecwich >> >> >> In a message dated 3/7/2011 7:19:16 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> I want to note that there was a petition by the heritors of >> Stirling dated 27 May 1700 which was signed by J. Kincaid >> of that Ilk and Alexander Kincaid, brother to the Laird of >> Kincaid. The J. Kincaid of that Ilk was John Kincaid of >> that Ilk, son of James Kincaid of that Ilk and Marion Boyd >> of Trochrig. There is nothing to say that Alexander was >> a legitimate brother of John or the son of Marion Boyd. >> However, he could very well have been. This is the first time >> I located a reference to Alexander. I previously noted that I >> had not found any evidence of a brother Alexander but I did >> find that John had an illegitimate son named Alexander. I have >> no idea what became of Alexander, brother of John. >> >> One will certainly look to the story of the four sons of >> Alexander Kincaid who supposedly came to America during >> the Jacobite rebellion. This is in no way proves that story >> but it does give some supporting evidence because the Alexander >> was stated to have been born about 1670 and was the second >> son. He certainly fits timeline wise. However, the same story says >> that another son, Alexander, remained in Scotland and became >> Lord Provost of Edinburgh. That part is clearly a provable >> myth. So one has to treat the story with caution but there may >> be some meat to it. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> Peter A. Kincaid >> Fredericton, NB, Canada To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message