Chalkley made brief abstracts of the Augusta Co. court records. He would not made any conjecture as to who came with whom and where they came from or how they were related beyond what was in the records. The rest appears to be from a story well known to Gay researchers. My insertions are in [], the rest is in the stated book. It would be interesting to know if there is any documentation for the 1739 date for Gay family migration from Ireland. I suspect it is actually the date they came into Orange Co., perhaps proving importation in that year. The actual arrival in PA could have been several years earlier. Sue Liedtke >From June Mefford Kinkead's "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestors, A History of the Kinkead and McDowell Families of Kentucky" published 1992. pp 28-32 THE GAY FAMILY The following is condensed from "Genealogies of Kentucky Families", a part of which was related by Jane Gay Stevenson, a niece of Eleanor Gay and William Kinkead. After a sojourn in Pennsylvania, the Gays moved into the Borden Tract, at that time a part of Augusta County, Virginia, known as "The Pastures." Today, it is located in Rockbridge County. James Gay, father of Jane Gay, was one of six sons of William Gay. His brothers were William, Robert, Samuel, Henry, and John. His sister Eleanor married William Kinkead. James had come from Ireland as a boy, and in all probability was born there. Settled in the Calf Pasture by 1743, he built a fort the protection of his family and neighbors, many of whom were members of the Gay family by marriage: Kinkeads, Dunlaps, Elliotts, Grahams, Lockharts, McIlwains and others. They were all Scotch-Irish pioneers who sought a home in the Calf Pastures, and had come to Virginia from Pennsylvania, mostly from Lancaster and Cumberland Counties. [The story goes on in the words of Jane who was 7 years old in 1757. She talks about living on the Calf Pasture and indian raids. Her mother was killed in 1758. Most of "The Pastures" were not in Bordon's Track and remained in Augusta Co. when Rockbridge was formed. James Gay evidently lived near the southern end. William/Eleanor Kinkead lived at the Northern end of the Great Calf Pasture.] ***** The following is copied from a William Bury Kinkead narrative, recorded by Elizabeth Shelby Kinkead, his daughter. "The ancestors (William and Eleanor Guy Kinkead) were Scotch people. They left Scotland after the Battle of Bothwell Bridge, and went to Ireland, settling in the northern part of that country; my grandmother's people, about four miles out from Derry. They were devoted Presbyterians, but did not side with either of the extreme parties of that day. King William represented their ideas, and they held him in highest admiration. "I can well remember, a little boy of ten years of age, standing by my grandmother and being delighted to listen to her give the history of that memorable siege (the siege of Londonderry), which she had heard from the lips of her mother, whose father was in the siege. This narrative is also recorded in G(eorge).B(lackburn) Kinkead's memoirs, quoted below: [here the author gives G.B's very detailed description of the Siege of Londonderry as told to him by his father who heard it from his grandmother who had it from her grandmother. Note that there is a bit of a discrepancy in where the story came from] George Blackburn Kinkead has this narrative under the Kinkeads in him Memoirs but it is the opinion of the author that this family history is that of the Gay family. The father of George Blackburn Kinkead, William Bury Kinkead, says: "this story told to me by my grandmother (Eleanor Gay) (was) told to her by her mother, whose father was in the siege of Londonderry." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >I don't see anything in Lyman Chalkey's writings here > that the Kincaids came from Londonderry. He talks > about who went with him to Orange Co., Va. Furthermore, > in the absence of a quoted source he, writing in 1912, > would not be a source for a family arriving in the early > to mid 1700s. > > Peter > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> My suggestion as to which Kincaids would be Thomas/Margaret Lockhart d >> 1750, >> John the Weaver and possibly Andrew/Isabella who bought land on Cubb >> Creek >> in 1764 along with son Andrew Jr. (Andrew Jr is of Augusta Co. when he >> sells >> the land in 1770. There is an Andrew in Augusta Co.1752-4. Andrew & >> Isabella >> are very important names in the Capt. William/Eleanor Gay family). My >> hypothesis is that these 3 Kincaid elders plus David/Winnifred and >> James/Jean can account for all early Greater Augusta Co. A-1 Kincaids. >> >> Hamilton, Elliot, Walkup, Graham, Campbells and Gay are all associated >> with >> the Great and Little Calf Pasture Rivers in Augusta Co. Elliot and Walkup >> were pretty much confined to the Little Calf Pasture. Hamiltons and >> Grahams >> appear on both Rivers. Campbells are on the Great Calf Pasture and in >> Albemarle Co. The families are closely woven together for several >> generations. Hamiltons, Elliots, Walkups, Grahams and Campbells all show >> up >> in early Greenbrier Co. as well. >> >> The 1739 migration may be a secondary migration of these families as at >> least some of the Hamiltons arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. >> Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances >> Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 >> Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 >> >> Andrew/Martha Hamilton owned land on the Great Calf Pasture near the land >> of >> Rev John, John the Weaver and Thomas/Margaret Lockhart d 1750. >> Their daughter Isabella m Andrew, son of William/Eleanor Gay Kincaid. >> >> William/Eleanor Kincaid lived on land at the head of the Great Calf >> Pasture >> near land granted to William Preston in 1750 who sold to George Campbell >> & >> Samuel/Margaret Campbell Tincher who sold to Thomas/Hannah Tincher >> Kincaid >> in 1770. Hannah was dau of Samuel/Margaret Tincher. >> >> According to what I have gleaned from World Connect Archibald (m Francis >> Calhoun), Martha and Andrew were children of Audley Harrison Hamilton b >> 1677, Londonderry IR d 1762 Donegal Castle, Donegal, IR. William/Alice >> Hamilton who owned land on the Little Calf Pasture is also Audley's son. >> The >> Hamiltons were in Lancastor Co. PA prior to coming to Augusta Co. VA >> >> Little Calfpasture Grants >> 1749 William Gay, 490a and 410a. The latter is described as "on both >> sides >> of the river c Wm Gay c Rev. Hindman. (rev. Hindman d prior 1762 as his >> nephews have the land c James Stevenson in that year. (the 2 grants may >> be >> to father & son) >> >> 1754 Samuel Gay 354a c William Elliot c William Gay. In 1762 Sam is in NC >> when he sells to James Gay. This deed must have been to clear up title as >> James Gay sold the same land to David Martin in 1759. >> >> Barb posted information about this family March 18, 2010. >> Will of William Gay Jr. written 9 May 1755 >> Wife Margaret, eldest son John plantation George Campbell lives on, >> formerly >> held by James Stevenson, son Robert the plantation testator lives on. >> Daughter Mary, daughter Agnes. Execs, wife and brother John Gay. Teste: >> William Elliot, John Fulton, James Stevenson >> >> Margaret Gay supposedly m Alexander Hamilton 12 Nov, 1758, however, she >> appears to have been married to him before 16, Nov 1757 per the record >> below >> so the yr given for the marriage may be mis-recorded and should be 1757. >> Margaret may have been a Walkup. In 1765 Alexander/Margaret Hamilton sold >> 238a on Jackson River to William Hamilton, who in 1780 sold the land to >> Andrew/Mary Kincaid. Andrew/Mary were neighbors to Alexander Hamilton on >> the >> Little Calf Pasture River in 1777.. >> >> The History of Woodford Co. KY says Wm, John, James, Robert, Samuel, >> Henry >> and Eleanor were the children of Wm Gay Sr. who fought in the Siege of >> Londonderry. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 2:11 PM >> Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >> >> >>> While searching I found the below from Chalkey's Chronicles of the >>> Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia and wonder which Kinkeads he is >>> referring to in the 2nd paragraph. Since he states William Gay/Guy >>> immigrated in 1739 and that he came with the Kinkeads and other named >>> families, I suppose we could assume the Kinkeads immigrated in 1739 >>> also. >>> I am curious which Kinkeads he is referring to and since he stated >>> Kinkeads there must have been several, one of which would likely have >>> been >>> William Kinkead who married Eleanor Guy/Gay, ancestor of Bill Kinkead # >>> 1426. Do Chalkley volumes show documentation for what he says. If so >>> perhaps the documents might show which Kinkead lines were involved. The >>> date of 1739 fits will with my Joseph and son John first seen in >>> Albemarle >>> Co. VA records in mid 1740's. >>> >>> Don W. >>> >>> Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, Extracted from >>> the >>> Original Court Records of Augusta Co., 1745-1800, by Lyman Chalkley, >>> Vol. >>> 1, p. 78: Nov. 16, 1757: William Gay's estate to be settled and dower >>> assigned to the widow, Margaret Hamilton. p. 100: Aug. 3 1762; >>> Beverley's >>> Executors vs. John Gay and Wm. Hamilton and Margaret, his wife, late >>> Margaret Gay, Executor of Wm. Gay, decd. -- Agreed. p. 145: William Gay, >>> orphan of Wm. Gay, deceased, to be bound to John Wahub (Walkup). >>> ~~~ >>> Came from Londonderry, Ireland to Philadelphia, Pa. Moved to Orange >>> Co., >>> Va. with daughter, Eleanor. Came with the Kinkeads, Stevensons, >>> Campbells, McElroysm, McDowells, Grahams, Elliotts. Moved onto the >>> Borden >>> trat, now Rockbridge Co., Va., Lived at Gay's Run, Va. >>> ~~~ >>>>From the Gay/Guy Families of Early Augusta Co., Va. and related families >>>>of Dunlap, Kinkead/Kincaid, Lockridge, etc., etc.; "William immigrated >>>>October 19, 1739. Destination; Port of Philadelphia, Pa. William's >>>>will >>>>was probated in Augusta Co., Va. on August 20, 1755. >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> To join the DNA project, go to: >>> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >