Sue et al, In 2002, I was responding to the following post: ***** From: "Jeff Davis" <[email protected]> Subject: [KINCAID] Robert Kinkead Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:01:23 -0400 Can anyone identify or expand on any of the following?: Robert Kinkead was born in County Tyrone, Ireland of parents in common circumstances. He married a Calhoun, by whom he had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine, all of whom were born in County Tyrone, Ireland. David arrived in Philadelphia on the "Lazy Mary" in 1783. Joseph died in Ireland without a family. John died in Egg Harbor, U.S. (NJ?) leaving a wife and two boys in Ireland. ***** This seemed to be new information to me and I wondered what the source was. I noted that perhaps the Robert here was the Robert who was the Robert mentioned in the Will of Joseph Kinkead of Birnaghs, County Tyrone. However, in further discussions it was revealed that other family sources states that this family was from Dungarven, County Waterford. This made things inconclusive. I did not say that Joseph's son Robert married a Calhoun. The above did. Now with regards to my comment about Oval Calhoun account of a Charles Kinkead marrying a Helen Calhoun. Orval O. Calhoun writes the following in "800 Years of Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family History." Helen Colhoun, born c-1698, was the third daughter and the eigth child of Rev. Alexander & Judith Colhoun, and she married Charles Kincaid, and they lived at Strabane, County Tyrone, Ire. She had died before 1772, but Charles was still alive and living in one of the houses belonging to Rev. Alexander Colhoun Jr. in 1772, when he made the assignment of property over to his son Charles Colhoun, at the time of his coming of marriage. Orval Calhoun later quotes the agreement on page 357. It reads as follows: MSS of Arts & Agreement, Nov. 3-1772, between Rev. Alexander Colhoun of Sixmilecross, Co. Tyrone, for Charles Colhoun, Gent, Youngest son of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, & on behalf of Mary Anderson, a minor, daughter & only child of James Anderson; and James Anderson Esq. of Killashandra, Co. Cavan, and Rev. M. Galbraith, of the marraige shortly intended between Charles Colhoun and Mary Anderson, for £200 paid by James Anderson, Alexander Colhoun did grant, the house & Offices in the town of Strabane, then last in the possession of Charles Kinkaid, Merchant, the house & tenements in Strabane in possession of John S. Hamilton Esq., and after the decease of Judith (Colhoun) Gordon, Widow, house & tenement in Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh, & property in Sixmilecross, then in possession of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, Charles Father, and after the decease of Said Alexander Colhoun and James Anderson, and their respective wives, Margaret Colhoun and Sophia Anderson, the Estates to descend to Said Charles Colhoun and Mary, His intended Wife. Now the age of Helen Calhoun places here contemporary with Old Charles Kinkead of Baronscourt. Orval states that he felt that Charles was still alive in 1772 based on the above record. My comment is that I think the Charles of the 1772 record was young Charles Kinkead (son of Robert) who was a merchant in Strabane and who failed business wise in 1769. Thus, Orval was mixing them up. HOWEVER, if Helen Calhoun, daughter of Rev. Alexander Calhoun, was married to a Charles Kinkead then this Charles must have been the old Charles Kinkead. Now going back to the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary, noted above. There is no mention of a son Charles. Charles Kinkead, the son Robert of Baronscourt, was Robert's oldest son and heir. This makes me think the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary was not the Robert of Baronscourt. Since 2002 I located a number of additional records which indicate that Robert of Baronscourt was married to a Mary and that he likely had a son David but this David was of Drumbeg, County Donegal and he died in 1771. I agree that figuring out these Baronscourt Kinkeads will be a great help to the DNA project as I believe many of the participants in the project tie directly into this extended family. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it > on > the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), > for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun > and > the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who > Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old > notes > and I am still confused. > > When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps > the > son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, > whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you > thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married > a > Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? > > If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as > Baron's > Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish > Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. > Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah > Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 > Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to > the > Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. > > You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in > Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, > David, > Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph > died > in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife > and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query > other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. > > You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's > brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 > DNA > with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid > connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid > Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great > Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. > > Sue Liedtke

?Peter- This is my line. On the map you annotated for me a few years back you indicated two Johns, a James, a Charles and two Roberts in and around Barons Court. Any idea where Robert2 fits into the new scheme? Maybe Charles is my GGGGGGPappy? BTW, according to the ELLIOTT site, the LAZY MARY sunk the following year. Dick Kinkead 2562 A1a -----Original Message----- From: Peter A. Kincaid Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry Sue et al, In 2002, I was responding to the following post: ***** From: "Jeff Davis" <[email protected]> Subject: [KINCAID] Robert Kinkead Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:01:23 -0400 Can anyone identify or expand on any of the following?: Robert Kinkead was born in County Tyrone, Ireland of parents in common circumstances. He married a Calhoun, by whom he had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine, all of whom were born in County Tyrone, Ireland. David arrived in Philadelphia on the "Lazy Mary" in 1783. Joseph died in Ireland without a family. John died in Egg Harbor, U.S. (NJ?) leaving a wife and two boys in Ireland. ***** This seemed to be new information to me and I wondered what the source was. I noted that perhaps the Robert here was the Robert who was the Robert mentioned in the Will of Joseph Kinkead of Birnaghs, County Tyrone. However, in further discussions it was revealed that other family sources states that this family was from Dungarven, County Waterford. This made things inconclusive. I did not say that Joseph's son Robert married a Calhoun. The above did. Now with regards to my comment about Oval Calhoun account of a Charles Kinkead marrying a Helen Calhoun. Orval O. Calhoun writes the following in "800 Years of Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family History." Helen Colhoun, born c-1698, was the third daughter and the eigth child of Rev. Alexander & Judith Colhoun, and she married Charles Kincaid, and they lived at Strabane, County Tyrone, Ire. She had died before 1772, but Charles was still alive and living in one of the houses belonging to Rev. Alexander Colhoun Jr. in 1772, when he made the assignment of property over to his son Charles Colhoun, at the time of his coming of marriage. Orval Calhoun later quotes the agreement on page 357. It reads as follows: MSS of Arts & Agreement, Nov. 3-1772, between Rev. Alexander Colhoun of Sixmilecross, Co. Tyrone, for Charles Colhoun, Gent, Youngest son of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, & on behalf of Mary Anderson, a minor, daughter & only child of James Anderson; and James Anderson Esq. of Killashandra, Co. Cavan, and Rev. M. Galbraith, of the marraige shortly intended between Charles Colhoun and Mary Anderson, for £200 paid by James Anderson, Alexander Colhoun did grant, the house & Offices in the town of Strabane, then last in the possession of Charles Kinkaid, Merchant, the house & tenements in Strabane in possession of John S. Hamilton Esq., and after the decease of Judith (Colhoun) Gordon, Widow, house & tenement in Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh, & property in Sixmilecross, then in possession of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, Charles Father, and after the decease of Said Alexander Colhoun and James Anderson, and their respective wives, Margaret Colhoun and Sophia Anderson, the Estates to descend to Said Charles Colhoun and Mary, His intended Wife. Now the age of Helen Calhoun places here contemporary with Old Charles Kinkead of Baronscourt. Orval states that he felt that Charles was still alive in 1772 based on the above record. My comment is that I think the Charles of the 1772 record was young Charles Kinkead (son of Robert) who was a merchant in Strabane and who failed business wise in 1769. Thus, Orval was mixing them up. HOWEVER, if Helen Calhoun, daughter of Rev. Alexander Calhoun, was married to a Charles Kinkead then this Charles must have been the old Charles Kinkead. Now going back to the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary, noted above. There is no mention of a son Charles. Charles Kinkead, the son Robert of Baronscourt, was Robert's oldest son and heir. This makes me think the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary was not the Robert of Baronscourt. Since 2002 I located a number of additional records which indicate that Robert of Baronscourt was married to a Mary and that he likely had a son David but this David was of Drumbeg, County Donegal and he died in 1771. I agree that figuring out these Baronscourt Kinkeads will be a great help to the DNA project as I believe many of the participants in the project tie directly into this extended family. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it > on > the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), > for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun > and > the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who > Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old > notes > and I am still confused. > > When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps > the > son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, > whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you > thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married > a > Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? > > If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as > Baron's > Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish > Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. > Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah > Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 > Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to > the > Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. > > You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in > Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, > David, > Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph > died > in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife > and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query > other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. > > You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's > brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 > DNA > with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid > connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid > Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great > Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. > > Sue Liedtke To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16700) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16700) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Thank you for the further information. Would widow Judith Calhoun Gorden have been another daughter of Rev Alexander/Judith Calhoun? This will take a bit of thinking to understand. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry Sue et al, In 2002, I was responding to the following post: ***** From: "Jeff Davis" <[email protected]> Subject: [KINCAID] Robert Kinkead Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:01:23 -0400 Can anyone identify or expand on any of the following?: Robert Kinkead was born in County Tyrone, Ireland of parents in common circumstances. He married a Calhoun, by whom he had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine, all of whom were born in County Tyrone, Ireland. David arrived in Philadelphia on the "Lazy Mary" in 1783. Joseph died in Ireland without a family. John died in Egg Harbor, U.S. (NJ?) leaving a wife and two boys in Ireland. ***** This seemed to be new information to me and I wondered what the source was. I noted that perhaps the Robert here was the Robert who was the Robert mentioned in the Will of Joseph Kinkead of Birnaghs, County Tyrone. However, in further discussions it was revealed that other family sources states that this family was from Dungarven, County Waterford. This made things inconclusive. I did not say that Joseph's son Robert married a Calhoun. The above did. Now with regards to my comment about Oval Calhoun account of a Charles Kinkead marrying a Helen Calhoun. Orval O. Calhoun writes the following in "800 Years of Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family History." Helen Colhoun, born c-1698, was the third daughter and the eigth child of Rev. Alexander & Judith Colhoun, and she married Charles Kincaid, and they lived at Strabane, County Tyrone, Ire. She had died before 1772, but Charles was still alive and living in one of the houses belonging to Rev. Alexander Colhoun Jr. in 1772, when he made the assignment of property over to his son Charles Colhoun, at the time of his coming of marriage. Orval Calhoun later quotes the agreement on page 357. It reads as follows: MSS of Arts & Agreement, Nov. 3-1772, between Rev. Alexander Colhoun of Sixmilecross, Co. Tyrone, for Charles Colhoun, Gent, Youngest son of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, & on behalf of Mary Anderson, a minor, daughter & only child of James Anderson; and James Anderson Esq. of Killashandra, Co. Cavan, and Rev. M. Galbraith, of the marraige shortly intended between Charles Colhoun and Mary Anderson, for £200 paid by James Anderson, Alexander Colhoun did grant, the house & Offices in the town of Strabane, then last in the possession of Charles Kinkaid, Merchant, the house & tenements in Strabane in possession of John S. Hamilton Esq., and after the decease of Judith (Colhoun) Gordon, Widow, house & tenement in Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh, & property in Sixmilecross, then in possession of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, Charles Father, and after the decease of Said Alexander Colhoun and James Anderson, and their respective wives, Margaret Colhoun and Sophia Anderson, the Estates to descend to Said Charles Colhoun and Mary, His intended Wife. Now the age of Helen Calhoun places here contemporary with Old Charles Kinkead of Baronscourt. Orval states that he felt that Charles was still alive in 1772 based on the above record. My comment is that I think the Charles of the 1772 record was young Charles Kinkead (son of Robert) who was a merchant in Strabane and who failed business wise in 1769. Thus, Orval was mixing them up. HOWEVER, if Helen Calhoun, daughter of Rev. Alexander Calhoun, was married to a Charles Kinkead then this Charles must have been the old Charles Kinkead. Now going back to the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary, noted above. There is no mention of a son Charles. Charles Kinkead, the son Robert of Baronscourt, was Robert's oldest son and heir. This makes me think the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary was not the Robert of Baronscourt. Since 2002 I located a number of additional records which indicate that Robert of Baronscourt was married to a Mary and that he likely had a son David but this David was of Drumbeg, County Donegal and he died in 1771. I agree that figuring out these Baronscourt Kinkeads will be a great help to the DNA project as I believe many of the participants in the project tie directly into this extended family. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it > on > the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), > for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun > and > the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who > Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old > notes > and I am still confused. > > When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps > the > son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, > whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you > thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married > a > Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? > > If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as > Baron's > Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish > Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. > Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah > Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 > Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to > the > Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. > > You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in > Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, > David, > Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph > died > in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife > and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query > other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. > > You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's > brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 > DNA > with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid > connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid > Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great > Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. > > Sue Liedtke To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xlsTo join the DNA project, go to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message