Sorry but I hit send before I intended (a call interrupted me) and I did not finish my train of thought. I wanted to add that many of the more well to do families moved around as part of marriage arrangements or to acquire better holdings (i.e. leases or appointments). So the ties between Donegal/Tyrone and Down is nothing unusual in that context. The so called Martha Kinkead could have been from either place and until a record surfaces tying her to a particular family we may never know. Ireland is quite a poor place with regards to records before the mid 1800s. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > You have the information on Rev. Joseph Kinkead > wrong. He was born in County Donegal about > 1724 in Drumboy, County Donegal and died on > 20 July 1782 in Killinchy, County Donegal. His > family was not from County Down. They were > from County Donegal. As a minister he migrated > to Killinchy. The Baronscourt Kinkeads have > family roots and connections also in County Donegal. > > The Laggan District is in east County Donegal roughly > between Inch (west of Londerry) in the north and > Stranorlar in the south. The Rev. Joseph Kinkead > and his family were considered to have been from > the Laggan District. > > I have yet to find any supporting record for the > marriage of Charles Kinkead and Helen Calhoun. > This is secondary information and I believe the > source is Orval Calhoun and his "800 Years of > Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family > History." He does not give a source for the marriage > and the information he did provide on Charles Kinkead > makes me think he was mixing up Charles Kinkead > younger (son of Robert) with Charles Kinkead Sr. > > When it comes to Ireland it is not always just the > locale the person was from but more the Lord > they held land under or their family connections. > Many simply moved around > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> Captain William Kinkead b 1736 married Eleanor Gay Nov 30, 1756 in >> Augusta >> Co. VA. The families may well have been aquainted before arriving in VA >> but >> there is no indication that the families were anywhere close in Ireland. >> I >> agree with June Mefford Kinkead that the Londonderry story was passed >> down >> from Eleanor's side of the family. >> >> I think more of a clue for the Augusta/Albemarle A-1 Kincaids may come >> from >> the 1733 Hamilton migration which includes a Kincaid daughter because >> Hamiltons and Kincaids did interact in Ireland, are quite close in >> Augusta >> Co. with some indication that the Hamiltons and at least one Kincaid went >> first to Lancastor Co. PA before coming to Augusta. Thomas d 1750 was "of >> Lancastor Co. PA" when he bought the Great Calf Pasture land near >> Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton in 1747. Andrew Hamilton was living on his >> GCP land in 1745 (per road orders) when John the Clerk, with the mortgage >> help of David Kincaid, bought land practically next door. >> >> Arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. >> Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances >> Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 >> Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 >> >> Archibald Hamilton's father Audley was b 1677 Laggan District (is that >> Co. >> Tyrone??), Ireland. According to a listing of his children's birth's he >> moved to Ards from Laggans between 1706 and 1709. He died 1762 in Ards. >> This >> suggests that Archibald was living in Ards when he married Francis >> Calhaun >> and Andrew was living in Ards when he married Martha Kinkead. That >> doesn't >> necessarily mean Francis and Martha were also living in Ards when they >> married but if not then there may be a close tie between Francis and >> Martha, >> i.e. perhaps Martha came to visit and fell in love. Remember that >> Frances' >> brother John was at Baron's court and her sister Helen m Charles Kincaid. >> Frances' father's 1st cousin was John Lewis whose wife's sister was >> married >> to Henry Patten and living in Co. Tyrone in 1692 when their son James >> Patten >> was born. John Lewis & James Patten were granted the land John the Clerk >> and >> Thomas Kincaid bought. Then we have 2617 (A-1) who believes descent from >> Rev >> Joseph b 1724 Co. Downs, d 1782 Co. Tyrone showing that there were A-1 >> Kincaids in those counties as well as Hamiltons. >> >> In the above connections there are possible reasons why the Hamiltons and >> Kincaids migrated when and where they did. Finding the father of Martha >> Kincaid might be quite constructive in sorting Augusta Co. Kincaids. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >> >> >>> The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry >>> is that it does not tell you which direction to head. >>> Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the >>> story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside >>> of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. >>> Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are >>> on record from County Londonderry. >>> >>> If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead >>> then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. >>> He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the >>> other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other >>> hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 >>> which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; >>> about 6 miles north of Londonderry. >>> >>> Best wishes! >>> >>> Peter > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it on the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun and the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old notes and I am still confused. When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps the son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married a Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as Baron's Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to the Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph died in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 DNA with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Sorry but I hit send before I intended (a call interrupted > me) and I did not finish my train of thought. I wanted to > add that many of the more well to do families moved > around as part of marriage arrangements or to acquire > better holdings (i.e. leases or appointments). So the > ties between Donegal/Tyrone and Down is nothing > unusual in that context. The so called Martha > Kinkead could have been from either place and > until a record surfaces tying her to a particular > family we may never know. Ireland is quite a poor > place with regards to records before the mid 1800s. > > Best wishes! > > Peter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:02 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> You have the information on Rev. Joseph Kinkead >> wrong. He was born in County Donegal about >> 1724 in Drumboy, County Donegal and died on >> 20 July 1782 in Killinchy, County Donegal. His >> family was not from County Down. They were >> from County Donegal. As a minister he migrated >> to Killinchy. The Baronscourt Kinkeads have >> family roots and connections also in County Donegal. >> >> The Laggan District is in east County Donegal roughly >> between Inch (west of Londerry) in the north and >> Stranorlar in the south. The Rev. Joseph Kinkead >> and his family were considered to have been from >> the Laggan District. >> >> I have yet to find any supporting record for the >> marriage of Charles Kinkead and Helen Calhoun. >> This is secondary information and I believe the >> source is Orval Calhoun and his "800 Years of >> Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family >> History." He does not give a source for the marriage >> and the information he did provide on Charles Kinkead >> makes me think he was mixing up Charles Kinkead >> younger (son of Robert) with Charles Kinkead Sr. >> >> When it comes to Ireland it is not always just the >> locale the person was from but more the Lord >> they held land under or their family connections. >> Many simply moved around >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >> >> >>> Captain William Kinkead b 1736 married Eleanor Gay Nov 30, 1756 in >>> Augusta >>> Co. VA. The families may well have been aquainted before arriving in VA >>> but >>> there is no indication that the families were anywhere close in Ireland. >>> I >>> agree with June Mefford Kinkead that the Londonderry story was passed >>> down >>> from Eleanor's side of the family. >>> >>> I think more of a clue for the Augusta/Albemarle A-1 Kincaids may come >>> from >>> the 1733 Hamilton migration which includes a Kincaid daughter because >>> Hamiltons and Kincaids did interact in Ireland, are quite close in >>> Augusta >>> Co. with some indication that the Hamiltons and at least one Kincaid >>> went >>> first to Lancastor Co. PA before coming to Augusta. Thomas d 1750 was >>> "of >>> Lancastor Co. PA" when he bought the Great Calf Pasture land near >>> Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton in 1747. Andrew Hamilton was living on >>> his >>> GCP land in 1745 (per road orders) when John the Clerk, with the >>> mortgage >>> help of David Kincaid, bought land practically next door. >>> >>> Arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. >>> Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances >>> Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 >>> Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 >>> >>> Archibald Hamilton's father Audley was b 1677 Laggan District (is that >>> Co. >>> Tyrone??), Ireland. According to a listing of his children's birth's he >>> moved to Ards from Laggans between 1706 and 1709. He died 1762 in Ards. >>> This >>> suggests that Archibald was living in Ards when he married Francis >>> Calhaun >>> and Andrew was living in Ards when he married Martha Kinkead. That >>> doesn't >>> necessarily mean Francis and Martha were also living in Ards when they >>> married but if not then there may be a close tie between Francis and >>> Martha, >>> i.e. perhaps Martha came to visit and fell in love. Remember that >>> Frances' >>> brother John was at Baron's court and her sister Helen m Charles >>> Kincaid. >>> Frances' father's 1st cousin was John Lewis whose wife's sister was >>> married >>> to Henry Patten and living in Co. Tyrone in 1692 when their son James >>> Patten >>> was born. John Lewis & James Patten were granted the land John the Clerk >>> and >>> Thomas Kincaid bought. Then we have 2617 (A-1) who believes descent from >>> Rev >>> Joseph b 1724 Co. Downs, d 1782 Co. Tyrone showing that there were A-1 >>> Kincaids in those counties as well as Hamiltons. >>> >>> In the above connections there are possible reasons why the Hamiltons >>> and >>> Kincaids migrated when and where they did. Finding the father of Martha >>> Kincaid might be quite constructive in sorting Augusta Co. Kincaids. >>> >>> Sue Liedtke >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >>> >>> >>>> The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry >>>> is that it does not tell you which direction to head. >>>> Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the >>>> story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside >>>> of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. >>>> Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are >>>> on record from County Londonderry. >>>> >>>> If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead >>>> then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. >>>> He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the >>>> other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other >>>> hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 >>>> which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; >>>> about 6 miles north of Londonderry. >>>> >>>> Best wishes! >>>> >>>> Peter >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >