My suggestion as to which Kincaids would be Thomas/Margaret Lockhart d 1750, John the Weaver and possibly Andrew/Isabella who bought land on Cubb Creek in 1764 along with son Andrew Jr. (Andrew Jr is of Augusta Co. when he sells the land in 1770. There is an Andrew in Augusta Co.1752-4. Andrew & Isabella are very important names in the Capt. William/Eleanor Gay family). My hypothesis is that these 3 Kincaid elders plus David/Winnifred and James/Jean can account for all early Greater Augusta Co. A-1 Kincaids. Hamilton, Elliot, Walkup, Graham, Campbells and Gay are all associated with the Great and Little Calf Pasture Rivers in Augusta Co. Elliot and Walkup were pretty much confined to the Little Calf Pasture. Hamiltons and Grahams appear on both Rivers. Campbells are on the Great Calf Pasture and in Albemarle Co. The families are closely woven together for several generations. Hamiltons, Elliots, Walkups, Grahams and Campbells all show up in early Greenbrier Co. as well. The 1739 migration may be a secondary migration of these families as at least some of the Hamiltons arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 Andrew/Martha Hamilton owned land on the Great Calf Pasture near the land of Rev John, John the Weaver and Thomas/Margaret Lockhart d 1750. Their daughter Isabella m Andrew, son of William/Eleanor Gay Kincaid. William/Eleanor Kincaid lived on land at the head of the Great Calf Pasture near land granted to William Preston in 1750 who sold to George Campbell & Samuel/Margaret Campbell Tincher who sold to Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid in 1770. Hannah was dau of Samuel/Margaret Tincher. According to what I have gleaned from World Connect Archibald (m Francis Calhoun), Martha and Andrew were children of Audley Harrison Hamilton b 1677, Londonderry IR d 1762 Donegal Castle, Donegal, IR. William/Alice Hamilton who owned land on the Little Calf Pasture is also Audley's son. The Hamiltons were in Lancastor Co. PA prior to coming to Augusta Co. VA Little Calfpasture Grants 1749 William Gay, 490a and 410a. The latter is described as "on both sides of the river c Wm Gay c Rev. Hindman. (rev. Hindman d prior 1762 as his nephews have the land c James Stevenson in that year. (the 2 grants may be to father & son) 1754 Samuel Gay 354a c William Elliot c William Gay. In 1762 Sam is in NC when he sells to James Gay. This deed must have been to clear up title as James Gay sold the same land to David Martin in 1759. Barb posted information about this family March 18, 2010. Will of William Gay Jr. written 9 May 1755 Wife Margaret, eldest son John plantation George Campbell lives on, formerly held by James Stevenson, son Robert the plantation testator lives on. Daughter Mary, daughter Agnes. Execs, wife and brother John Gay. Teste: William Elliot, John Fulton, James Stevenson Margaret Gay supposedly m Alexander Hamilton 12 Nov, 1758, however, she appears to have been married to him before 16, Nov 1757 per the record below so the yr given for the marriage may be mis-recorded and should be 1757. Margaret may have been a Walkup. In 1765 Alexander/Margaret Hamilton sold 238a on Jackson River to William Hamilton, who in 1780 sold the land to Andrew/Mary Kincaid. Andrew/Mary were neighbors to Alexander Hamilton on the Little Calf Pasture River in 1777.. The History of Woodford Co. KY says Wm, John, James, Robert, Samuel, Henry and Eleanor were the children of Wm Gay Sr. who fought in the Siege of Londonderry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > While searching I found the below from Chalkey's Chronicles of the > Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia and wonder which Kinkeads he is > referring to in the 2nd paragraph. Since he states William Gay/Guy > immigrated in 1739 and that he came with the Kinkeads and other named > families, I suppose we could assume the Kinkeads immigrated in 1739 also. > I am curious which Kinkeads he is referring to and since he stated > Kinkeads there must have been several, one of which would likely have been > William Kinkead who married Eleanor Guy/Gay, ancestor of Bill Kinkead # > 1426. Do Chalkley volumes show documentation for what he says. If so > perhaps the documents might show which Kinkead lines were involved. The > date of 1739 fits will with my Joseph and son John first seen in Albemarle > Co. VA records in mid 1740's. > > Don W. > > Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, Extracted from the > Original Court Records of Augusta Co., 1745-1800, by Lyman Chalkley, Vol. > 1, p. 78: Nov. 16, 1757: William Gay's estate to be settled and dower > assigned to the widow, Margaret Hamilton. p. 100: Aug. 3 1762; Beverley's > Executors vs. John Gay and Wm. Hamilton and Margaret, his wife, late > Margaret Gay, Executor of Wm. Gay, decd. -- Agreed. p. 145: William Gay, > orphan of Wm. Gay, deceased, to be bound to John Wahub (Walkup). > ~~~ > Came from Londonderry, Ireland to Philadelphia, Pa. Moved to Orange Co., > Va. with daughter, Eleanor. Came with the Kinkeads, Stevensons, > Campbells, McElroysm, McDowells, Grahams, Elliotts. Moved onto the Borden > trat, now Rockbridge Co., Va., Lived at Gay's Run, Va. > ~~~ >>From the Gay/Guy Families of Early Augusta Co., Va. and related families >>of Dunlap, Kinkead/Kincaid, Lockridge, etc., etc.; "William immigrated >>October 19, 1739. Destination; Port of Philadelphia, Pa. William's will >>was probated in Augusta Co., Va. on August 20, 1755. > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't see anything in Lyman Chalkey's writings here that the Kincaids came from Londonderry. He talks about who went with him to Orange Co., Va. Furthermore, in the absence of a quoted source he, writing in 1912, would not be a source for a family arriving in the early to mid 1700s. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > My suggestion as to which Kincaids would be Thomas/Margaret Lockhart d > 1750, > John the Weaver and possibly Andrew/Isabella who bought land on Cubb Creek > in 1764 along with son Andrew Jr. (Andrew Jr is of Augusta Co. when he > sells > the land in 1770. There is an Andrew in Augusta Co.1752-4. Andrew & > Isabella > are very important names in the Capt. William/Eleanor Gay family). My > hypothesis is that these 3 Kincaid elders plus David/Winnifred and > James/Jean can account for all early Greater Augusta Co. A-1 Kincaids. > > Hamilton, Elliot, Walkup, Graham, Campbells and Gay are all associated > with > the Great and Little Calf Pasture Rivers in Augusta Co. Elliot and Walkup > were pretty much confined to the Little Calf Pasture. Hamiltons and > Grahams > appear on both Rivers. Campbells are on the Great Calf Pasture and in > Albemarle Co. The families are closely woven together for several > generations. Hamiltons, Elliots, Walkups, Grahams and Campbells all show > up > in early Greenbrier Co. as well. > > The 1739 migration may be a secondary migration of these families as at > least some of the Hamiltons arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. > Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances > Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 > Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 > > Andrew/Martha Hamilton owned land on the Great Calf Pasture near the land > of > Rev John, John the Weaver and Thomas/Margaret Lockhart d 1750. > Their daughter Isabella m Andrew, son of William/Eleanor Gay Kincaid. > > William/Eleanor Kincaid lived on land at the head of the Great Calf > Pasture > near land granted to William Preston in 1750 who sold to George Campbell & > Samuel/Margaret Campbell Tincher who sold to Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid > in 1770. Hannah was dau of Samuel/Margaret Tincher. > > According to what I have gleaned from World Connect Archibald (m Francis > Calhoun), Martha and Andrew were children of Audley Harrison Hamilton b > 1677, Londonderry IR d 1762 Donegal Castle, Donegal, IR. William/Alice > Hamilton who owned land on the Little Calf Pasture is also Audley's son. > The > Hamiltons were in Lancastor Co. PA prior to coming to Augusta Co. VA > > Little Calfpasture Grants > 1749 William Gay, 490a and 410a. The latter is described as "on both sides > of the river c Wm Gay c Rev. Hindman. (rev. Hindman d prior 1762 as his > nephews have the land c James Stevenson in that year. (the 2 grants may be > to father & son) > > 1754 Samuel Gay 354a c William Elliot c William Gay. In 1762 Sam is in NC > when he sells to James Gay. This deed must have been to clear up title as > James Gay sold the same land to David Martin in 1759. > > Barb posted information about this family March 18, 2010. > Will of William Gay Jr. written 9 May 1755 > Wife Margaret, eldest son John plantation George Campbell lives on, > formerly > held by James Stevenson, son Robert the plantation testator lives on. > Daughter Mary, daughter Agnes. Execs, wife and brother John Gay. Teste: > William Elliot, John Fulton, James Stevenson > > Margaret Gay supposedly m Alexander Hamilton 12 Nov, 1758, however, she > appears to have been married to him before 16, Nov 1757 per the record > below > so the yr given for the marriage may be mis-recorded and should be 1757. > Margaret may have been a Walkup. In 1765 Alexander/Margaret Hamilton sold > 238a on Jackson River to William Hamilton, who in 1780 sold the land to > Andrew/Mary Kincaid. Andrew/Mary were neighbors to Alexander Hamilton on > the > Little Calf Pasture River in 1777.. > > The History of Woodford Co. KY says Wm, John, James, Robert, Samuel, > Henry > and Eleanor were the children of Wm Gay Sr. who fought in the Siege of > Londonderry. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 2:11 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> While searching I found the below from Chalkey's Chronicles of the >> Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia and wonder which Kinkeads he is >> referring to in the 2nd paragraph. Since he states William Gay/Guy >> immigrated in 1739 and that he came with the Kinkeads and other named >> families, I suppose we could assume the Kinkeads immigrated in 1739 also. >> I am curious which Kinkeads he is referring to and since he stated >> Kinkeads there must have been several, one of which would likely have >> been >> William Kinkead who married Eleanor Guy/Gay, ancestor of Bill Kinkead # >> 1426. Do Chalkley volumes show documentation for what he says. If so >> perhaps the documents might show which Kinkead lines were involved. The >> date of 1739 fits will with my Joseph and son John first seen in >> Albemarle >> Co. VA records in mid 1740's. >> >> Don W. >> >> Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, Extracted from the >> Original Court Records of Augusta Co., 1745-1800, by Lyman Chalkley, Vol. >> 1, p. 78: Nov. 16, 1757: William Gay's estate to be settled and dower >> assigned to the widow, Margaret Hamilton. p. 100: Aug. 3 1762; >> Beverley's >> Executors vs. John Gay and Wm. Hamilton and Margaret, his wife, late >> Margaret Gay, Executor of Wm. Gay, decd. -- Agreed. p. 145: William Gay, >> orphan of Wm. Gay, deceased, to be bound to John Wahub (Walkup). >> ~~~ >> Came from Londonderry, Ireland to Philadelphia, Pa. Moved to Orange Co., >> Va. with daughter, Eleanor. Came with the Kinkeads, Stevensons, >> Campbells, McElroysm, McDowells, Grahams, Elliotts. Moved onto the >> Borden >> trat, now Rockbridge Co., Va., Lived at Gay's Run, Va. >> ~~~ >>>From the Gay/Guy Families of Early Augusta Co., Va. and related families >>>of Dunlap, Kinkead/Kincaid, Lockridge, etc., etc.; "William immigrated >>>October 19, 1739. Destination; Port of Philadelphia, Pa. William's will >>>was probated in Augusta Co., Va. on August 20, 1755. >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message