The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry is that it does not tell you which direction to head. Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are on record from County Londonderry. If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; about 6 miles north of Londonderry. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Chalkley made brief abstracts of the Augusta Co. court records. He would > not > made any conjecture as to who came with whom and where they came from or > how > they were related beyond what was in the records. The rest appears to be > from a story well known to Gay researchers. My insertions are in [], the > rest is in the stated book. It would be interesting to know if there is > any > documentation for the 1739 date for Gay family migration from Ireland. I > suspect it is actually the date they came into Orange Co., perhaps proving > importation in that year. The actual arrival in PA could have been several > years earlier. > > Sue Liedtke > >>From June Mefford Kinkead's "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestors, A History of > the Kinkead and McDowell Families of Kentucky" published 1992. pp 28-32 > > THE GAY FAMILY > The following is condensed from "Genealogies of Kentucky Families", a part > of which was related by Jane Gay Stevenson, a niece of Eleanor Gay and > William Kinkead. > > After a sojourn in Pennsylvania, the Gays moved into the Borden Tract, at > that time a part of Augusta County, Virginia, known as "The Pastures." > Today, it is located in Rockbridge County. > > James Gay, father of Jane Gay, was one of six sons of William Gay. His > brothers were William, Robert, Samuel, Henry, and John. His sister Eleanor > married William Kinkead. > > James had come from Ireland as a boy, and in all probability was born > there. > Settled in the Calf Pasture by 1743, he built a fort the protection of his > family and neighbors, many of whom were members of the Gay family by > marriage: Kinkeads, Dunlaps, Elliotts, Grahams, Lockharts, McIlwains and > others. They were all Scotch-Irish pioneers who sought a home in the Calf > Pastures, and had come to Virginia from Pennsylvania, mostly from > Lancaster > and Cumberland Counties. > > [The story goes on in the words of Jane who was 7 years old in 1757. She > talks about living on the Calf Pasture and indian raids. Her mother was > killed in 1758. Most of "The Pastures" were not in Bordon's Track and > remained in Augusta Co. when Rockbridge was formed. James Gay evidently > lived near the southern end. William/Eleanor Kinkead lived at the Northern > end of the Great Calf Pasture.] > ***** > The following is copied from a William Bury Kinkead narrative, recorded by > Elizabeth Shelby Kinkead, his daughter. > > "The ancestors (William and Eleanor Guy Kinkead) were Scotch people. They > left Scotland after the Battle of Bothwell Bridge, and went to Ireland, > settling in the northern part of that country; my grandmother's people, > about four miles out from Derry. They were devoted Presbyterians, but did > not side with either of the extreme parties of that day. King William > represented their ideas, and they held him in highest admiration. > > "I can well remember, a little boy of ten years of age, standing by my > grandmother and being delighted to listen to her give the history of that > memorable siege (the siege of Londonderry), which she had heard from the > lips of her mother, whose father was in the siege. > > This narrative is also recorded in G(eorge).B(lackburn) Kinkead's memoirs, > quoted below: > > [here the author gives G.B's very detailed description of the Siege of > Londonderry as told to him by his father who heard it from his grandmother > who had it from her grandmother. Note that there is a bit of a discrepancy > in where the story came from] > > George Blackburn Kinkead has this narrative under the Kinkeads in him > Memoirs but it is the opinion of the author that this family history is > that > of the Gay family. The father of George Blackburn Kinkead, William Bury > Kinkead, says: "this story told to me by my grandmother (Eleanor Gay) > (was) > told to her by her mother, whose father was in the siege of Londonderry."

Captain William Kinkead b 1736 married Eleanor Gay Nov 30, 1756 in Augusta Co. VA. The families may well have been aquainted before arriving in VA but there is no indication that the families were anywhere close in Ireland. I agree with June Mefford Kinkead that the Londonderry story was passed down from Eleanor's side of the family. I think more of a clue for the Augusta/Albemarle A-1 Kincaids may come from the 1733 Hamilton migration which includes a Kincaid daughter because Hamiltons and Kincaids did interact in Ireland, are quite close in Augusta Co. with some indication that the Hamiltons and at least one Kincaid went first to Lancastor Co. PA before coming to Augusta. Thomas d 1750 was "of Lancastor Co. PA" when he bought the Great Calf Pasture land near Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton in 1747. Andrew Hamilton was living on his GCP land in 1745 (per road orders) when John the Clerk, with the mortgage help of David Kincaid, bought land practically next door. Arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 Archibald Hamilton's father Audley was b 1677 Laggan District (is that Co. Tyrone??), Ireland. According to a listing of his children's birth's he moved to Ards from Laggans between 1706 and 1709. He died 1762 in Ards. This suggests that Archibald was living in Ards when he married Francis Calhaun and Andrew was living in Ards when he married Martha Kinkead. That doesn't necessarily mean Francis and Martha were also living in Ards when they married but if not then there may be a close tie between Francis and Martha, i.e. perhaps Martha came to visit and fell in love. Remember that Frances' brother John was at Baron's court and her sister Helen m Charles Kincaid. Frances' father's 1st cousin was John Lewis whose wife's sister was married to Henry Patten and living in Co. Tyrone in 1692 when their son James Patten was born. John Lewis & James Patten were granted the land John the Clerk and Thomas Kincaid bought. Then we have 2617 (A-1) who believes descent from Rev Joseph b 1724 Co. Downs, d 1782 Co. Tyrone showing that there were A-1 Kincaids in those counties as well as Hamiltons. In the above connections there are possible reasons why the Hamiltons and Kincaids migrated when and where they did. Finding the father of Martha Kincaid might be quite constructive in sorting Augusta Co. Kincaids. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry > is that it does not tell you which direction to head. > Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the > story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside > of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. > Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are > on record from County Londonderry. > > If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead > then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. > He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the > other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other > hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 > which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; > about 6 miles north of Londonderry. > > Best wishes! > > Peter > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:26 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> Chalkley made brief abstracts of the Augusta Co. court records. He would >> not >> made any conjecture as to who came with whom and where they came from or >> how >> they were related beyond what was in the records. The rest appears to be >> from a story well known to Gay researchers. My insertions are in [], the >> rest is in the stated book. It would be interesting to know if there is >> any >> documentation for the 1739 date for Gay family migration from Ireland. I >> suspect it is actually the date they came into Orange Co., perhaps >> proving >> importation in that year. The actual arrival in PA could have been >> several >> years earlier. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >>>From June Mefford Kinkead's "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestors, A History of >> the Kinkead and McDowell Families of Kentucky" published 1992. pp 28-32 >> >> THE GAY FAMILY >> The following is condensed from "Genealogies of Kentucky Families", a >> part >> of which was related by Jane Gay Stevenson, a niece of Eleanor Gay and >> William Kinkead. >> >> After a sojourn in Pennsylvania, the Gays moved into the Borden Tract, at >> that time a part of Augusta County, Virginia, known as "The Pastures." >> Today, it is located in Rockbridge County. >> >> James Gay, father of Jane Gay, was one of six sons of William Gay. His >> brothers were William, Robert, Samuel, Henry, and John. His sister >> Eleanor >> married William Kinkead. >> >> James had come from Ireland as a boy, and in all probability was born >> there. >> Settled in the Calf Pasture by 1743, he built a fort the protection of >> his >> family and neighbors, many of whom were members of the Gay family by >> marriage: Kinkeads, Dunlaps, Elliotts, Grahams, Lockharts, McIlwains and >> others. They were all Scotch-Irish pioneers who sought a home in the Calf >> Pastures, and had come to Virginia from Pennsylvania, mostly from >> Lancaster >> and Cumberland Counties. >> >> [The story goes on in the words of Jane who was 7 years old in 1757. She >> talks about living on the Calf Pasture and indian raids. Her mother was >> killed in 1758. Most of "The Pastures" were not in Bordon's Track and >> remained in Augusta Co. when Rockbridge was formed. James Gay evidently >> lived near the southern end. William/Eleanor Kinkead lived at the >> Northern >> end of the Great Calf Pasture.] >> ***** >> The following is copied from a William Bury Kinkead narrative, recorded >> by >> Elizabeth Shelby Kinkead, his daughter. >> >> "The ancestors (William and Eleanor Guy Kinkead) were Scotch people. They >> left Scotland after the Battle of Bothwell Bridge, and went to Ireland, >> settling in the northern part of that country; my grandmother's people, >> about four miles out from Derry. They were devoted Presbyterians, but >> did >> not side with either of the extreme parties of that day. King William >> represented their ideas, and they held him in highest admiration. >> >> "I can well remember, a little boy of ten years of age, standing by my >> grandmother and being delighted to listen to her give the history of that >> memorable siege (the siege of Londonderry), which she had heard from the >> lips of her mother, whose father was in the siege. >> >> This narrative is also recorded in G(eorge).B(lackburn) Kinkead's >> memoirs, >> quoted below: >> >> [here the author gives G.B's very detailed description of the Siege of >> Londonderry as told to him by his father who heard it from his >> grandmother >> who had it from her grandmother. Note that there is a bit of a >> discrepancy >> in where the story came from] >> >> George Blackburn Kinkead has this narrative under the Kinkeads in him >> Memoirs but it is the opinion of the author that this family history is >> that >> of the Gay family. The father of George Blackburn Kinkead, William Bury >> Kinkead, says: "this story told to me by my grandmother (Eleanor Gay) >> (was) >> told to her by her mother, whose father was in the siege of Londonderry." > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You have the information on Rev. Joseph Kinkead wrong. He was born in County Donegal about 1724 in Drumboy, County Donegal and died on 20 July 1782 in Killinchy, County Donegal. His family was not from County Down. They were from County Donegal. As a minister he migrated to Killinchy. The Baronscourt Kinkeads have family roots and connections also in County Donegal. The Laggan District is in east County Donegal roughly between Inch (west of Londerry) in the north and Stranorlar in the south. The Rev. Joseph Kinkead and his family were considered to have been from the Laggan District. I have yet to find any supporting record for the marriage of Charles Kinkead and Helen Calhoun. This is secondary information and I believe the source is Orval Calhoun and his "800 Years of Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family History." He does not give a source for the marriage and the information he did provide on Charles Kinkead makes me think he was mixing up Charles Kinkead younger (son of Robert) with Charles Kinkead Sr. When it comes to Ireland it is not always just the locale the person was from but more the Lord they held land under or their family connections. Many simply moved around ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Captain William Kinkead b 1736 married Eleanor Gay Nov 30, 1756 in Augusta > Co. VA. The families may well have been aquainted before arriving in VA > but > there is no indication that the families were anywhere close in Ireland. I > agree with June Mefford Kinkead that the Londonderry story was passed down > from Eleanor's side of the family. > > I think more of a clue for the Augusta/Albemarle A-1 Kincaids may come > from > the 1733 Hamilton migration which includes a Kincaid daughter because > Hamiltons and Kincaids did interact in Ireland, are quite close in Augusta > Co. with some indication that the Hamiltons and at least one Kincaid went > first to Lancastor Co. PA before coming to Augusta. Thomas d 1750 was "of > Lancastor Co. PA" when he bought the Great Calf Pasture land near > Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton in 1747. Andrew Hamilton was living on his > GCP land in 1745 (per road orders) when John the Clerk, with the mortgage > help of David Kincaid, bought land practically next door. > > Arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. > Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances > Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 > Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 > > Archibald Hamilton's father Audley was b 1677 Laggan District (is that Co. > Tyrone??), Ireland. According to a listing of his children's birth's he > moved to Ards from Laggans between 1706 and 1709. He died 1762 in Ards. > This > suggests that Archibald was living in Ards when he married Francis Calhaun > and Andrew was living in Ards when he married Martha Kinkead. That doesn't > necessarily mean Francis and Martha were also living in Ards when they > married but if not then there may be a close tie between Francis and > Martha, > i.e. perhaps Martha came to visit and fell in love. Remember that Frances' > brother John was at Baron's court and her sister Helen m Charles Kincaid. > Frances' father's 1st cousin was John Lewis whose wife's sister was > married > to Henry Patten and living in Co. Tyrone in 1692 when their son James > Patten > was born. John Lewis & James Patten were granted the land John the Clerk > and > Thomas Kincaid bought. Then we have 2617 (A-1) who believes descent from > Rev > Joseph b 1724 Co. Downs, d 1782 Co. Tyrone showing that there were A-1 > Kincaids in those counties as well as Hamiltons. > > In the above connections there are possible reasons why the Hamiltons and > Kincaids migrated when and where they did. Finding the father of Martha > Kincaid might be quite constructive in sorting Augusta Co. Kincaids. > > Sue Liedtke > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry >> is that it does not tell you which direction to head. >> Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the >> story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside >> of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. >> Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are >> on record from County Londonderry. >> >> If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead >> then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. >> He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the >> other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other >> hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 >> which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; >> about 6 miles north of Londonderry. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> Peter