John points out that in 2004 I posted that I have Andrew/Mary going to the Beverley Manor after living in Albemarle, buying land from Robert/Anna Helena. He also mentions that the Andrew of JtW's Calfpasture land turns up in 1776 with wife Jean/Jane, not Mary. AUG 06/20/1770 C3-500(406)@ Robert Kinkead and Anna heleney (Belina) ( ) to Andrew Kinkead, L- 159 acres in Beverley Manor, part of 334 acres conveyed to Robert by James Bratton & Elizabeth, 05/01/1763; corner Lewis and Gibson land. ... Delivered: Andrew Kinkead, November, 1771. AUG 08/ /1772 C1-366(A ) Woods vs. Daniel O'Hara and Andrew Kinkead - Debt. On bond dated 1762, 4th August. Andrew of Albemarle County. AUG 05/18/1773 DB21-253( )@ Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife to Alexander Gibson L128 10sh, 159 acres, part of 334 acres in Beverley Manor, on some drafts of Christian's Creek which was conveyed to said Andrew by Robert Kinkead and Belina his wife by deed the 20th day of June 1770. Wit; Alexander Thompson, Thomas Tate, ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead, Mary Kinkead. I also show the Lunenburg Andrew Kinkead as "of Augusta" when he sells his land in 1770. Note, that the Lunenberg John Kinkead came from PA. It certainly does appear that we have TWO SETS of John/Andrews interacting with closely held land tracts at the same close dates, and they could be sons of an earlier generation of John and Andrews, John (JtW)/Elizabeth and Andrew Sr./Isabella. LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (408) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to William Nixon ... wit: Samull Moore, John Ritchey, John Kinkad LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (410-11) Nathanial Barksdale of Pr. Edward Co. to John Kinkad of Lunenburg County ... L80 ... 600 acres Lunenburg Co., Horsepen Fork Cub Creek, bounded beginning NE from Robert Riche's corner on the Ridge between Pr. Edward and Lunenburg Cos, to Wm. Nixon, to old dividing line, part of larger tract. corner ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line wit: Samuel Moore, John Ritchey, William Nixon, Recorded 4 Aug 1761 Sig Nathl. Barksdale. LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (245) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade Senior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the waters of Cub Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 166 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon South ... Thomas Alexander's line ... north ... Alexander Richey's corner, thence along his line north to Andrew Kinkade junior's corner. ... to the beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas TH Harvey. Recorded July 12th 1764 Luninburgh county court. LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade Junior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the waters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 126 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas corner ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas CHL 02/19/1770 DB-2 (459) Andrew Kinkade Jr. of Augusta Co. to Samuel Scott of Prince Edward Co. L15.5, 126 acres in Charlotte on the waters of Cub Creek on a branch called Raccoon. Bounded by the lines of John Thomas and Alexander Ritchey. All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Thomas Craig, Joseph Read. Recorded: 03 June 1771 CHL 01/05/1771 DB-2 (369) . Andrew Kinkade of Charlotte Co. to Edward Sadler of Prince Edward Co. L35, 166 acres in said Charlotte on a branch of Cub Creek called Raccoon branch. Bounded by the lines of Thos Alexander, Andrew Kinkade Jr. . All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Isabel Kinkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Charles Hudspeth, Thomas Craig. Recorded: 07 Jan 1771 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead > John, > > John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved > together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. > > ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought from > Wm. > Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 acres > lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 acre > tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John > Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: ... > as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) > marked corner. > > ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought from > Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 > acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a > 520 > acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. > John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as > follows: > ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) > made corner. > > ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew > Kinkead > of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 acres > more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of > Meechim's > River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John > Robinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and > John Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew Kinkead > and Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead > > ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John Kinkead > of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres more > or > less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's River, > part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William > Grayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John > Kinkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. > > > Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they move > together > next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of > JtW, the > evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. > > Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June > LeeMeffordKinkead > >> >> That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of >> John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as >> four or five. >> >> The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, >> Archibald, William and John. >> >> James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. >> Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's >> verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >> >> Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as the >> son of John/Margaret. >> Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. >> >> William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John >> Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >> John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY (probably >> a second marriage). >> >> >>> From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com >>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>> >>> >>> Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW (and >>> it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other >>> possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted >>> DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same >>> person. >>> >>> Does anyone disagree with that? >>> >>> It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret could >>> NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. >>> >>> Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> John (#241829) >>> >>> >>> > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net >>> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 >>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>> > >>> > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf >>> > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> >>> > >>> > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. is >>> > to >>> > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and exactly >>> > 1 >>> > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to John >>> > Jr. >>> > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a >>> > corner >>> > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two of >>> > the >>> > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., and >>> > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 acres >>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on >>> > Calfpasture >>> > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and >>> > Elizabeth ( ) >>> > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 >>> > acres >>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. >>> > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to >>> > Mathew >>> > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's >>> > corner. >>> > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, 106 >>> > acres >>> > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's part >>> > of >>> > said tract. >>> > >>> > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to be >>> > their >>> > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still >>> > contend >>> > is the same man as JtW. >>> > >>> > >>> > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead dated >>> > July >>> > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in April, >>> > 1813. >>> > Abstract follows: >>> > >>> > [excerpt from will] >>> > >>> > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert and >>> > James, >>> > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to be >>> > their >>> > share of my estate, >>> > >>> > >>> > -------------------------------------------------- >>> > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >>> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM >>> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>> > >>> > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to >>> > > died in >>> > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a grandson >>> > > by a >>> > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. >>> > > >>> > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. >>> > > William >>> > > but >>> > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I >>> > > think he >>> > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land >>> > > from >>> > > John >>> > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears >>> > > in 2 >>> > > other GCP families. >>> > > >>> > > Sue Liedtke >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> >>> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM >>> > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> > > Lee >>> > > MeffordKinkead >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. >>> > >> William's >>> > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married >>> > >> Margaret >>> > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) >>> > >> Kinkead, >>> > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he >>> > >> married >>> > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >>> > >> >>> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It should >>> > >> be >>> > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" >>> > >> and >>> > >> very >>> > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with >>> > >> one of >>> > >> the many others. >>> > >> >>> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June >>> > >>> Lee >>> > >>> Mefford Kinkead? >>> > >>> >>> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret >>> > >>> Kinkead >>> > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the >>> > >>> spouse >>> > >>> of William. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Thanks, >>> > >>> John >>> > >>> >>> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > >>> project, >>> > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ------------------------------- >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> > >>> the >>> > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > >> project, >>> > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > >> >>> > >> www.kincaiddna.org >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> ------------------------------- >>> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> > >> the >>> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > > project, >>> > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > > >>> > > www.kincaiddna.org >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> > >>> > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > >>> > www.kincaiddna.org >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >