The point you make is significant in that the reference to "distant relative" and "uncle" is in the information in the bios for JC Skeen & Joseph Byson Kincaid when referencing George Blackburn Kincaid. It does point to Robert d c1795 Rockbridge Co. being related to Capt. Wm. The connection adds some substance to the hypothesis that Robert of Rockbridge is Robert/Anna Helena. I do wish evidence would turn up naming Robert of Rockbridge's wife. We do need a DNA participant from one of the lines tracing back to Robert of Rockbridge in order to confirm he was A-1a. There are several family groups represented in Greater Augusta Co. and they seem to interact with each other as if they were all from the same family. Early researchers made connections assuming that they were one family. It is only through DNA that we have been able to figure out who was genetically related to whom. How do you know that Robert of Rockbridge had a son Andrew? Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Robert/Anna Helena and Capt. William/Eleanor Gay ties > > Robert Kinkead d. 1852 has a death record in Kentucky stating that his > parents are Isaiah and Mary Kinkead. > > I guess I wasn't clear in my original post. The "Judge Kincaid" referred > to in the obituary of Joseph Skeen is Judge George Blackburn Kinkead, > Joseph Skeen's 2nd cousin 1x removed, and not Joseph Bryson Kinkead (who > was never a judge, only a lawyer). As it is not possible for GBK to be > Joseph Skeen's literal uncle, I assumed it implied an older relative. > GBK's parents, siblings and children are all well document. > > What I find most interesting is that TWO descendents of the Robert Kinkead > who died ~1795 in Rockbridge Co. both had dealings with GBK who descends > from Capt. William Kinkead of Augusta/Woodford. One, who worked under > GBK, and another who actually lived with GBK, and both have sources that > state a genealogical relationship. > > Which brings me back to the idea that the Robert Kinkead who died ~1795 in > Rockbridge Co. is a brother to Capt. William Kinkead. With both having > sons named Andrew (in Capt. William's case, two sons named Andrew), it > lends more circumstantial evidence to the case of an older Andrew Kinkead > being the father of both. > > > > >> From: seleaml@actionnet.net >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 07:53:44 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Robert/Anna Helena and Capt. William/Eleanor Gay >> ties >> >> Note the use of "uncle" in the relationship of JC Skeen and Judge Kincaid >> (do you know for a fact that this is Joseph B?). In the lineage you give, >> the 2 would be 1st cousins. It would suggest that Judge Kincaid may have >> been a son of Isaiah rather than a grandson. I do know that the words >> "uncle" and "aunt" are sometimes used to indicate an older relative, not >> necessarily the sibling of a parent, as my grandmother's 1st cousin >> referred >> to her as "Aunt" and the children of my nieces (1st cousins) use "Aunt & >> Uncle" when referring to each others parents but the possibility that the >> reference is actually to a parent's brother needs to be eliminated. . >> >> There isn't a Robert in Isaiah's will. Where did Robert as father of >> Joseph >> B. and son of Isaiah come from? If Robert died prior to Isaiah there >> should >> be a reference to "heirs of Robert" in the will or there would be a >> possibility that the will could have been broken. Getting the actual will >> would be of help. >> >> The 2 problems above occur in other lineages so it may be interesting to >> have a discussion on them.. >> 1. Does the use of the titles "Uncle & Aunt" actually define the so >> designated as sibling of a parent or was it used more broadly to define >> an >> older relative? >> >> 2. How strictly was the mention of all children or heirs of a deceased >> child >> adhered to in early wills? Are there examples where an unmentioned heir >> actually broke the will? >> >> Sue Liedtke >> > >> >>From "A History of Rockbridge County": >> > >> > Kincaid. - 1. Isaiah - d. 1824 - m. Dolly - C: Joseph, Iseah, Samuel, >> > Rachel (m. Thomas Patton, 1817), Jinny (m. William Skeen, 1822), >> > William, >> > James. >> > >> >> SOURCES: >> >> >> >> >From "Oak Park Leaves" (Oak Park, IL) 3/14/1908 >> >> J. C. SKEEN IS DEAD (1834-1908) >> >> "...Mr. Skeen was born in Ohio, but his boyhood was spent in >> >> Louisville, >> >> Ky., with his uncle, Judge Kincaid." >> >> >> >> >From "History of the Ohio Falls Counties" 1882 >> >> JOSEPH B. KINKEAD, Esq. (1822-1892) >> >> "...He entered the office of a distant relative, George B. Kinkead, >> >> Esq., >> >> at >> >> Versailles with whom he completed a course of professional reading, >> >> and >> >> was >> >> granted in 1845 a license to practice..." >> >> >> >> ***** >> >> >> >> LINEAGE: >> >> >> >> Joseph Bryson Kinkead -> Robert Kinkead -> Isaiah Kinkead - > >> >> Robert/Anna >> >> Helena >> >> Joseph C Skeen -> Jane Kinkead -> Isaiah Kinkead -> Robert/Anna Helena >> >> George Blackburn Kinkead -> John Kinkead -> William/Eleanor Kinkead >> >> >> >> Capt. William Kinkead (1736-1821) >> >> Robert Kinkead (<1741-1799) >> >> >> >> The earliest these two lines could meet are with Robert/Anna Helena >> >> and >> >> William/Eleanor being brothers. >> >> >> >> If William and Robert are brothers, then Joseph Bryson Kinkead and >> >> Joseph >> >> C >> >> Skeen are both 2nd cousins 1x removed to Judge George Blackburn >> >> Kinkead >> >> (1811-1877). >> >> >> >> ***** >> >> >> >> For those interest, I've been digging into the family Isaiah and Mary >> >> Berryhill. Some of the information below I believe will be new. >> >> >> >> Isaiah Kinkead b. <1765 Augusta Co. VA m. 8/7/1783 Rockbridge Co. VA >> >> d. >> >> 1824 >> >> Rockbridge Co. VA >> >> +Mary Berryhill b. <1765 VA d. >1830 OH >> >> 1. Robert b. 9/16/1788 m. Elizabeth Bryson 8/23/1814 Woodford Co. KY >> >> d. >> >> 5/2/1852 Versailles, KY >> >> 2. James b. ~1791 m. Nancy Hall 11/4/1819 Rockbridge Co. VA d. >1870 >> >> Christian Co. KY >> >> 3. Isaiah b. 1/24/1794 m. Margaret McFarland 10/4/1820 Rockbridge Co. >> >> VA >> >> d. >> >> 3/26/1870 Lost Creek, OH >> >> 4. Rachel b. ~1797 m. Thomas Patton 9/11/1817 d. unknown >> >> 5. William b. ~1798 m. 11/23/1824 Eliza Jane McDaniel d. 9/23/1883 >> >> Lexington, VA >> >> 6. Jane b. ~1800 m. William Skeen 8/22/1822 Rockbridge Co. VA d. >> >> 1/9/1881 >> >> Chicago, IL >> >> 7. Joseph b. ~1803 m. unknown d. unknown >> >> 8. Samuel b. 6/7/1805 m. 9/14/1834 Miami Co. OH d. 8/10/1887 >> >> Thorntown, >> >> IN >> >> >> >> All children were born in Rockbridge Co. VA. All but Robert were named >> >> in >> >> the 1824 will of Isaiah. Robert had removed to Woodford Co. KY by that >> >> time. >> >> >> >> Of note, Robert moved to Woodford Co. KY where Capt. William/Eleanor >> >> ended >> >> up. James moved to Christian Co. KY where Guy Kinkead, son of Capt. >> >> William >> >> ended up. >> >> >> >> Still working on it, but I haven't tracked down what became of Rachel >> >> & >> >> Thomas Patton. I have no information on who this Thomas Patton. I also >> >> don't have any information on what became of Joseph Kinkead after >> >> 1824. >> >> >> >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> >> project, >> >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes >> >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> >> project, >> >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > project, >> > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > >> > www.kincaiddna.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >