To reply to any post on the Kincaid list just hit "reply". The Family Finder participants who have agreed to be public are not secret. I will have to check each one's page and or contact them and will post all that are public. It is to their advantage to be public in order for interested persons like you can contact them about possible relationships. If you join the Kincaid Surname DNA project we will be able to see all your FF dna matches and perhaps be more helpful. I showed 2562's SNP tests just to illustrate one Kincaid's SNP having tested. It had nothing to do with A-2c. Peter is our expert on the SNP testing and I will leave remarks on the results up to him. How do you report the FF and mt dna test results on the 2 project you administer? Where could I go to take a look? Don -----Original Message----- From: Richard Hulan Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 5:31 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 It's not at all clear to me how one is supposed to Reply, on this list. Perhaps this will work. Don, how secret is the list of the 12 FF participants? Is it something only visible in GAP? My only obvious FF match whose FTDNA public info mentions the Kincaid surname is Carolyn Sue Kincaid Chesnut -- who was on this list briefly in 1998-99, but seems not to have remained aboard. I have no idea whether a male relative of hers has tested Y-DNA and is in the public Kincaid project. I transferred my 23andMe results to FTDNA as soon as that option was available (and while that was still $50). About two years ago. I'm FTDNA #195834, if you need that. Btw #2562 is not in group A-2c; but I concede Peter's point that someone in that group has in fact tested -- #57467. Since it was done by the targeted method, and those SNPs aren't on the 2010 version of the Haplotree still in use by the FTDNA software, the posted haplogroup is still R1b1a2 (in red). Someday, that will update; what else can one believe. I had not checked all seven group members' SNP results, and the other 6 haven't tested, but don't really need to. Z1 is rather far out on a branch of U106, and my speculation was based on this small group's having the key off-modals of the old North/South Cluster of P312 (at DYS437, 448, and GATA-H4). Given that A-2c is indeed a U106 subclade, only the DYS437=14 seems to be off-modal, within its parent group. Dick Hulan On Jan 5, 2014, at 4:11 PM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 13:39:41 -0700 > From: "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA origins of the Kincaids > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FA13AAE2974C42DEBD3070745888C041@DonHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Richard Hulan, > > Thanks for your comments and rejoining the Kincaid Research List. > > We have 12 Kincaid participants who have done Family Finder dna test but > do > not have a results chart for Family Finder participants. We have had > several > in Group A do SNP tests including Group A 2C. For example # 2562 shows > "Kinkead Robert Kinkead, b.c 1730, Tyrone, Ireland R1b1a2a1a1a4 > R-L48 L48+, Z346+, Z7+, Z343-" . We also have several who had done the > mt > dna tests. We also have participants who have ordered the Big Y which we > look forward to. > > I believe you did 23andme autosomal dna test so you should show a match > with > one or more of the Kincaid Family Finder participants unless there has > been > non-paternity events. You can upload your 23andme results to Family Tree > DNA > for a fee which you might want to do since Family Tree DNA has done more > tests so will give you more possible matches. Do you show any autosomal > matches with any Kincaid participant? > > I see your cousin shows descent from David/Winifred. We have one Kinkead > vetted as descendant of David/Winifred, #198598. We have 2 others, 1255 > and > 28835, who believe they also descend from David/Winifred and I personally > agree with them however one gen link is not documented and depends on > circumstantial evidence. > > Happy Hunting, > > Don Kincaid # 1427 > Kincaid Surname DNA admin team > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's not at all clear to me how one is supposed to Reply, on this list. Perhaps this will work. Don, how secret is the list of the 12 FF participants? Is it something only visible in GAP? My only obvious FF match whose FTDNA public info mentions the Kincaid surname is Carolyn Sue Kincaid Chesnut -- who was on this list briefly in 1998-99, but seems not to have remained aboard. I have no idea whether a male relative of hers has tested Y-DNA and is in the public Kincaid project. I transferred my 23andMe results to FTDNA as soon as that option was available (and while that was still $50). About two years ago. I'm FTDNA #195834, if you need that. Btw #2562 is not in group A-2c; but I concede Peter's point that someone in that group has in fact tested -- #57467. Since it was done by the targeted method, and those SNPs aren't on the 2010 version of the Haplotree still in use by the FTDNA software, the posted haplogroup is still R1b1a2 (in red). Someday, that will update; what else can one believe. I had not checked all seven group members' SNP results, and the other 6 haven't tested, but don't really need to. Z1 is rather far out on a branch of U106, and my speculation was based on this small group's having the key off-modals of the old North/South Cluster of P312 (at DYS437, 448, and GATA-H4). Given that A-2c is indeed a U106 subclade, only the DYS437=14 seems to be off-modal, within its parent group. Dick Hulan On Jan 5, 2014, at 4:11 PM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 13:39:41 -0700 > From: "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA origins of the Kincaids > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FA13AAE2974C42DEBD3070745888C041@DonHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Richard Hulan, > > Thanks for your comments and rejoining the Kincaid Research List. > > We have 12 Kincaid participants who have done Family Finder dna test but do > not have a results chart for Family Finder participants. We have had several > in Group A do SNP tests including Group A 2C. For example # 2562 shows > "Kinkead Robert Kinkead, b.c 1730, Tyrone, Ireland R1b1a2a1a1a4 > R-L48 L48+, Z346+, Z7+, Z343-" . We also have several who had done the mt > dna tests. We also have participants who have ordered the Big Y which we > look forward to. > > I believe you did 23andme autosomal dna test so you should show a match with > one or more of the Kincaid Family Finder participants unless there has been > non-paternity events. You can upload your 23andme results to Family Tree DNA > for a fee which you might want to do since Family Tree DNA has done more > tests so will give you more possible matches. Do you show any autosomal > matches with any Kincaid participant? > > I see your cousin shows descent from David/Winifred. We have one Kinkead > vetted as descendant of David/Winifred, #198598. We have 2 others, 1255 and > 28835, who believe they also descend from David/Winifred and I personally > agree with them however one gen link is not documented and depends on > circumstantial evidence. > > Happy Hunting, > > Don Kincaid # 1427 > Kincaid Surname DNA admin team >

Welcome back to the list. It is always nice to have people with a keen dna interest active here. Your wrong about Group A-2c. This group has been snp tested and lines up with the other group A Kincaids. I believe so far it is z1 confirmed. I don't see any need for many others in Group A to be tested. We have a number tested already and some are doing the Big Y test. The Group A Kincaids are quite unique in that they are at the far end of the U106 branch. All Kincaids in Group A have their closest matches as Kincaids so there is no indication of mutation drift affecting our project. Other surnames are reasonably far off. I have no doubt that all Group A Kincaids are Z346*. Perhaps we will find another snp lower, but further testing those above is a waste of money. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Richard Hulan Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:22 PM To: KINCAID@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] DNA origins of the Kincaids After having had some issues (for several years) with signing back on to an old RootsWeb account, I've just found that I can do so. So this is my first post here, though I've been in touch with a few of you on GenForum (~ 15 years ago), or by email in the past few days. And maybe by snail mail sometime since 1970. I picked this thread because I'm involved in haplogroup research, both as administrator of couple of FTDNA projects and as a fairly compulsive tester of my own DNA. My Kincaid ancestry descends through several females in the past six generations, so I don't anticipate being of much help in the sorting of Kincaid family groups by their shared Y-DNA lines. But in the broader sense, SNP testing by anybody is useful for anybody else -- who turns out to have the same "terminal" SNP. And that's fairly often hinted at by a recognizable pattern or "signature" of off-modal values in the STR results. Spotting these patterns is facilitated by the "colorized" results. Those only work after there's a big enough sample to sort the ones that are somewhat alike. The Kincaid project is respectably large, and this sorting into groups has long since been done. However, not too much of it, so far, is based on (or confirmed by) SNP testing. Many of the males whose haplogroup is shown (in red) as R1b1a2 may not turn out to be in the same subclade (of that enormous group) as the person immediately above or below -- especially if their STR markers are only tested to the 25 or 37 level. Those are good for confirming that one's brother or first cousin probably isn't adopted, but not very useful for haplogroup sorting and "deep ancestry" research in a broader sense. If you aren't in the same subclade, for practical purposes you aren't genealogical kin; i.e. your common ancestor is probably much older than your surname. So it is of some value to make such "anthropological" distinctions. This will be a lot more apparent when some of the new SNPs from Geno2 data (already in hand) and Chromo2 results from BritainsDNA (now trickling in) can be fleshed out with FTDNA's "Big Y" results (very soon), and with more new SNPs from comprehensive Y-chromosome sequencing (in hand, or currently in progress) at Full Genomes Corporation. These will bring the phylogenetic tree-sorting down to much more recent times, probably identifying SNPs that are for practical purposes specific to a family. Online forums on which this is being extensively discussed (such as Anthrogenica) have been calling it a "SNP tsunami." If that's what it is, 2014 will be the year we find out. Btw somebody from Group A-2c might want to test whether they are actually U106. I suspect that group is P312>DF27>Z196>Z220 (and so on). All the members have red-letter haplotypes, so far -- so I assume that A-2c is an untested, hypothetical placement (as is my prediction, here). Anyway, I'm just saying hello, here. If anybody interested in the Kincaid Y-DNA project wants to discuss SNP testing, I'm interested in following such a thread. Also if the said project has a Family Finder component (that is not apparent, in the project verbiage), I could join. I read somewhere in the signup process that new members are supposed to share their ancestral line (to Kincaid). I don't have a website, but my 2nd cousin does, so I'll just share his... his paternal grandmother (Jessie K. Harper) and mine (Bessie Marie Harper) were sisters. http://lawrencefamhis.com/kincaid-o/ui05.htm Richard H. Hulan ("razyn" on various forums) For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I forgot Rootsweb posts do not show clickable links so have copied one of the stories about Gary: Charles Gary Kincaid, 61, is a man that has been missing since December 29th, 2013 at about 5:30 pm at a residence of a family member in Staunton, Virginia. Kincaid's vehicle, a 2010 White Ford Focus, was located in Augusta County in the vicinity of mile post 8.5 on January 2nd, 2014 by members of the US Park Police. Kincaid was no where to be found. Kincaid is a 5' 10" white male, weighing in at 150 lbs. Please contact the Staunton Police Department at 540-332-3842, the Augusta County Sheriff's Office at 540-245-5333 or Crimestoppers at 800-322-2017. Another press article: Augusta County Sheriff's Office Press Release On 01/03/14, Augusta ECC was contacted by the U.S. Park Police of the Blue Ridge Parkway to assist in the search of a missing person. Charles "Gary" Kincaid (61 yoa, w/m), a resident of Highland County, was reported as being last seen in the City of Staunton on Sunday, December 29, 2013, by a family member. Mr. Kincaid was subsequently entered as a missing person by the Staunton Police Department. The vehicle Kincaid was operating, a 2010 White Ford Focus, was located in Augusta County in the vicinity of mile post 8.5 on 01/02/14 by members of the US Park Police. Members of the US Park Service, Augusta County Sheriff's Office and the Virginia State Police conducted ground and aerial searches of the Blue Ridge Parkway. Highland County Sheriff's Office also rendered assistance in the investigation. The Virginia Department of Emergency Management was contacted by the Augusta County Sheriff's Office for additional search assistance. Future search dates have not been set and are pending. -----Original Message----- From: Don W Kincaid Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:02 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Missing Kincaid We hate to be the bearer of bad news but the news shows that Group B dna participant Charles Gary Kincaid is missing. His car was found a few miles from Staunton. He was last seen at a relative’s home in Staunton on Dec. 29. We have checked the news but find no news of Gary being found. We believe his family would appreciate prayers for him. Those of you who have been on the Kincaid List for a while know Gary and his brother live on land once owned by their ancestor John Kincaid of Bath in Highland County, VA. We hope and pray that Gary will be found safe and sound soon! For those who want to read the whole story go to Valley Authorities Searching for Missing Highland County Man Don For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We hate to be the bearer of bad news but the news shows that Group B dna participant Charles Gary Kincaid is missing. His car was found a few miles from Staunton. He was last seen at a relative’s home in Staunton on Dec. 29. We have checked the news but find no news of Gary being found. We believe his family would appreciate prayers for him. Those of you who have been on the Kincaid List for a while know Gary and his brother live on land once owned by their ancestor John Kincaid of Bath in Highland County, VA. We hope and pray that Gary will be found safe and sound soon! For those who want to read the whole story go to Valley Authorities Searching for Missing Highland County Man Don

Richard Hulan, Thanks for your comments and rejoining the Kincaid Research List. We have 12 Kincaid participants who have done Family Finder dna test but do not have a results chart for Family Finder participants. We have had several in Group A do SNP tests including Group A 2C. For example # 2562 shows "Kinkead Robert Kinkead, b.c 1730, Tyrone, Ireland R1b1a2a1a1a4 R-L48 L48+, Z346+, Z7+, Z343-" . We also have several who had done the mt dna tests. We also have participants who have ordered the Big Y which we look forward to. I believe you did 23andme autosomal dna test so you should show a match with one or more of the Kincaid Family Finder participants unless there has been non-paternity events. You can upload your 23andme results to Family Tree DNA for a fee which you might want to do since Family Tree DNA has done more tests so will give you more possible matches. Do you show any autosomal matches with any Kincaid participant? I see your cousin shows descent from David/Winifred. We have one Kinkead vetted as descendant of David/Winifred, #198598. We have 2 others, 1255 and 28835, who believe they also descend from David/Winifred and I personally agree with them however one gen link is not documented and depends on circumstantial evidence. Happy Hunting, Don Kincaid # 1427 Kincaid Surname DNA admin team -----Original Message----- From: Richard Hulan Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 11:22 AM To: KINCAID@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] DNA origins of the Kincaids After having had some issues (for several years) with signing back on to an old RootsWeb account, I've just found that I can do so. So this is my first post here, though I've been in touch with a few of you on GenForum (~ 15 years ago), or by email in the past few days. And maybe by snail mail sometime since 1970. I picked this thread because I'm involved in haplogroup research, both as administrator of couple of FTDNA projects and as a fairly compulsive tester of my own DNA. My Kincaid ancestry descends through several females in the past six generations, so I don't anticipate being of much help in the sorting of Kincaid family groups by their shared Y-DNA lines. But in the broader sense, SNP testing by anybody is useful for anybody else -- who turns out to have the same "terminal" SNP. And that's fairly often hinted at by a recognizable pattern or "signature" of off-modal values in the STR results. Spotting these patterns is facilitated by the "colorized" results. Those only work after there's a big enough sample to sort the ones that are somewhat alike. The Kincaid project is respectably large, and this sorting into groups has long since been done. However, not too much of it, so far, is based on (or confirmed by) SNP testing. Many of the males whose haplogroup is shown (in red) as R1b1a2 may not turn out to be in the same subclade (of that enormous group) as the person immediately above or below -- especially if their STR markers are only tested to the 25 or 37 level. Those are good for confirming that one's brother or first cousin probably isn't adopted, but not very useful for haplogroup sorting and "deep ancestry" research in a broader sense. If you aren't in the same subclade, for practical purposes you aren't genealogical kin; i.e. your common ancestor is probably much older than your surname. So it is of some value to make such "anthropological" distinctions. This will be a lot more apparent when some of the new SNPs from Geno2 data (already in hand) and Chromo2 results from BritainsDNA (now trickling in) can be fleshed out with FTDNA's "Big Y" results (very soon), and with more new SNPs from comprehensive Y-chromosome sequencing (in hand, or currently in progress) at Full Genomes Corporation. These will bring the phylogenetic tree-sorting down to much more recent times, probably identifying SNPs that are for practical purposes specific to a family. Online forums on which this is being extensively discussed (such as Anthrogenica) have been calling it a "SNP tsunami." If that's what it is, 2014 will be the year we find out. Btw somebody from Group A-2c might want to test whether they are actually U106. I suspect that group is P312>DF27>Z196>Z220 (and so on). All the members have red-letter haplotypes, so far -- so I assume that A-2c is an untested, hypothetical placement (as is my prediction, here). Anyway, I'm just saying hello, here. If anybody interested in the Kincaid Y-DNA project wants to discuss SNP testing, I'm interested in following such a thread. Also if the said project has a Family Finder component (that is not apparent, in the project verbiage), I could join. I read somewhere in the signup process that new members are supposed to share their ancestral line (to Kincaid). I don't have a website, but my 2nd cousin does, so I'll just share his... his paternal grandmother (Jessie K. Harper) and mine (Bessie Marie Harper) were sisters. http://lawrencefamhis.com/kincaid-o/ui05.htm Richard H. Hulan ("razyn" on various forums) For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After having had some issues (for several years) with signing back on to an old RootsWeb account, I've just found that I can do so. So this is my first post here, though I've been in touch with a few of you on GenForum (~ 15 years ago), or by email in the past few days. And maybe by snail mail sometime since 1970. I picked this thread because I'm involved in haplogroup research, both as administrator of couple of FTDNA projects and as a fairly compulsive tester of my own DNA. My Kincaid ancestry descends through several females in the past six generations, so I don't anticipate being of much help in the sorting of Kincaid family groups by their shared Y-DNA lines. But in the broader sense, SNP testing by anybody is useful for anybody else -- who turns out to have the same "terminal" SNP. And that's fairly often hinted at by a recognizable pattern or "signature" of off-modal values in the STR results. Spotting these patterns is facilitated by the "colorized" results. Those only work after there's a big enough sample to sort the ones that are somewhat alike. The Kincaid project is respectably large, and this sorting into groups has long since been done. However, not too much of it, so far, is based on (or confirmed by) SNP testing. Many of the males whose haplogroup is shown (in red) as R1b1a2 may not turn out to be in the same subclade (of that enormous group) as the person immediately above or below -- especially if their STR markers are only tested to the 25 or 37 level. Those are good for confirming that one's brother or first cousin probably isn't adopted, but not very useful for haplogroup sorting and "deep ancestry" research in a broader sense. If you aren't in the same subclade, for practical purposes you aren't genealogical kin; i.e. your common ancestor is probably much older than your surname. So it is of some value to make such "anthropological" distinctions. This will be a lot more apparent when some of the new SNPs from Geno2 data (already in hand) and Chromo2 results from BritainsDNA (now trickling in) can be fleshed out with FTDNA's "Big Y" results (very soon), and with more new SNPs from comprehensive Y-chromosome sequencing (in hand, or currently in progress) at Full Genomes Corporation. These will bring the phylogenetic tree-sorting down to much more recent times, probably identifying SNPs that are for practical purposes specific to a family. Online forums on which this is being extensively discussed (such as Anthrogenica) have been calling it a "SNP tsunami." If that's what it is, 2014 will be the year we find out. Btw somebody from Group A-2c might want to test whether they are actually U106. I suspect that group is P312>DF27>Z196>Z220 (and so on). All the members have red-letter haplotypes, so far -- so I assume that A-2c is an untested, hypothetical placement (as is my prediction, here). Anyway, I'm just saying hello, here. If anybody interested in the Kincaid Y-DNA project wants to discuss SNP testing, I'm interested in following such a thread. Also if the said project has a Family Finder component (that is not apparent, in the project verbiage), I could join. I read somewhere in the signup process that new members are supposed to share their ancestral line (to Kincaid). I don't have a website, but my 2nd cousin does, so I'll just share his... his paternal grandmother (Jessie K. Harper) and mine (Bessie Marie Harper) were sisters. http://lawrencefamhis.com/kincaid-o/ui05.htm Richard H. Hulan ("razyn" on various forums)

I also found it by cutting and pasting your original message on the Google search box. Norman Kincaide On Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:12 PM, Don W Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: I forgot Rootsweb posts do not show clickable links so have copied one of the stories about Gary: Charles Gary Kincaid, 61, is a man that has been missing since December 29th, 2013 at about 5:30 pm at a residence of a family member in Staunton, Virginia. Kincaid's vehicle, a 2010 White Ford Focus, was located in Augusta County in the vicinity of mile post 8.5 on January 2nd, 2014 by members of the US Park Police. Kincaid was no where to be found. Kincaid is a 5' 10" white male, weighing in at 150 lbs. Please contact the Staunton Police Department at 540-332-3842, the Augusta County Sheriff's Office at 540-245-5333 or Crimestoppers at 800-322-2017. Another press article: Augusta County Sheriff's Office Press Release On 01/03/14, Augusta ECC was contacted by the U.S. Park Police of the Blue Ridge Parkway to assist in the search of a missing person. Charles "Gary" Kincaid (61 yoa, w/m), a resident of Highland County, was reported as being last seen in the City of Staunton on Sunday, December 29, 2013, by a family member. Mr. Kincaid was subsequently entered as a missing person by the Staunton Police Department. The vehicle Kincaid was operating, a 2010 White Ford Focus, was located in Augusta County in the vicinity of mile post 8.5 on 01/02/14 by members of the US Park Police. Members of the US Park Service, Augusta County Sheriff's Office and the Virginia State Police conducted ground and aerial searches of the Blue Ridge Parkway. Highland County Sheriff's Office also rendered assistance in the investigation. The Virginia Department of Emergency Management was contacted by the Augusta County Sheriff's Office for additional search assistance. Future search dates have not been set and are pending. -----Original Message----- From: Don W Kincaid Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:02 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Missing Kincaid We hate to be the bearer of bad news but the news shows that Group B dna participant Charles Gary Kincaid is missing. His car was found a few miles from Staunton. He was last seen at a relative’s home in Staunton on Dec. 29. We have checked the news but find no news of Gary being found. We believe his family would appreciate prayers for him. Those of you who have been on the Kincaid List for a while know Gary and his brother live on land once owned by their ancestor John Kincaid of Bath in Highland County, VA. We hope and pray that Gary will be found safe and sound soon! For those who want to read the whole story go to Valley Authorities Searching for Missing Highland County Man Don For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Merry Christmas to you, Norman, and thank you for all you do. Dick Kinkead 2562 From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 3:53 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaids in 1870 United States Census Dear Kincaid listers, After having some roast beef, lumpy mashed potatoes, corn, and french bread, I went to work and finished the Kincaids in the 1870 Census. I have not added family information yet. But the 1870 project is finished. Merry Christmas, one and all, my Kincaid discussion list friends. And A Happy New Year as well! http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201870%20Census/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/ Sincerely Norman Kincaide For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20930) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

This also finishes the extraction of Kincaids in the United States Census from 1790-1880. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ________________________________ From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: "kincaid@rootsweb.com" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 1:53 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaids in 1870 United States Census Dear Kincaid listers, After having some roast beef, lumpy mashed potatoes, corn, and french bread, I went to work and finished the Kincaids in the 1870 Census. I have not added family information yet. But the 1870 project is finished. Merry Christmas, one and all, my Kincaid discussion list friends. And A Happy New Year as well! http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201870%20Census/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/ Sincerely Norman Kincaide For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Kincaid listers, After having some roast beef, lumpy mashed potatoes, corn, and french bread, I went to work and finished the Kincaids in the 1870 Census. I have not added family information yet. But the 1870 project is finished. Merry Christmas, one and all, my Kincaid discussion list friends. And A Happy New Year as well! http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201870%20Census/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/ Sincerely Norman Kincaide

A few of years ago some friends and I made a recording that we hope you enjoy! It is the story of Jesus' birth, in Scottish dialect. It was adapted from the Glasgow Bible. Click on the link below to listen and please pass it around to family and friends. http://www.mungall.com/audio/boj/Default.htm Warmest wishes! Hugh Kincaid Kingsport, TN ukinc8@gmail.com

We really like the new dna participant page on the Family Tree DNA site. It is very user friendly! It also has a new offering of a Personalized Report for each participant. Participants might want to go to your FTDNA site and explore the new page and all it’s options. You can also check how your dna matches fare under Family Tree DNA’s new way of handling dna results in an attempt to make them more accurate. I was pleased with my changed results which show me to be more closely related to many in Group A than the old way. I suspect there will be a few bugs in the new page that they will work out before making an announcement to each participant so I may be jumping the gun on reporting on the new site. I just now took a look at the new map of my close matches and found a person who is a 2 step match with me whose surname is Irvin and have written a note to him. His ancestor is a John Irvin who lived in Gallia County, Ohio. The new map and other new things on our participant page may help you also. Happy Hunting! Don

You asked for it! Many Kincaid's are . . . well, actually . . . Lovers. Let us know when the test for the Lover Gene is discovered. But like the warrior gene, we know we're all covered on that one as well. On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Don W Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: > Hello Kincaids of all spellings, > > Are you a Warrior? Family Tree DNA has a dna test called Monoamine Oxidase > A which is called the Warrior Gene test. The special price is $49.50 U.S. > Dollars. Below is the blurb they have about it: > > The Warrior Gene is a variant of the gene MAO-A on the X chromosome. > Recent studies have linked the Warrior Gene to increased risk-taking and > aggressive behavior. Whether in sports, business, or other activities, > scientists found that individuals with the Warrior Gene variant were more > likely to be combative than those with the normal MAO-A gene. However, > human behavior is complex and influenced by many factors, including > genetics and our environment. Individuals with the Warrior Gene are not > necessarily more aggressive, but according to scientific studies, are more > likely to be aggressive than those without the Warrior Gene variant. This > test is available for both men and women, however, there is limited > research about the Warrior Gene variant amongst females. Additional details > about the Warrior Gene genetic variant of MAO-A can be found in Sabol et > al, 1998. > > Some of we Kincaids don’t need to order the Warrior test to know if we are > Warriors!!! I am high on risk taking but low on aggressive > behavior.................most of the time. > > Family Tree regular dna special pricing will be given you if you order > from your personal page on the Kincaid Family Tree DNA website. In most > cases they will still have enough of your dna sample to do any tests you > choose. Below are special prices for the more popular tests: > > New 37 Y dna marker test $119 > > New 67 Y dna marker test $199 > > Upgrade from 37 Y dna markers to 67 Y dna markers $79. > > Upgrade from 67 markers to 111 markers $188 > > Mt dna > $89 > > Family Finder > $199 > > There are also specials on combined dna tests you can order which you can > see on your page. We currently have 2 participants upgrading from 37 to 67 > Y dna test. > > We now have over 200 participants in the Kincaid Surname DNA Project! > Thanks to all participants for making our project one of the better ones! > We have $236.50 in our General Fund to use in helping on costs of dna > tests. We also have individuals who will help pay for Y dna tests for > individuals who have documentation of their line and whose results may help > current participants extend their lineage info or establish a new dna line. > > Also of interest is that Family Tree DNA has changed the way they > determine genetic distance to be a wee bit more definitive. We look forward > to Sue giving a report on this sometime. > > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all! > > Don > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- dddddddd

I wonder if this Jack Kincaid is related to any of our list members. Wiser appoints Kincaid executive vice president MURFREESBORO – Wiser Company announced Jack Kincaid has joined the company as Executive Vice President of Strategic Development. Under Kincaid’s leadership, Wiser looks forward to expanding its position in the geospatial intelligence, information solutions and civil solutions markets. Kincaid comes to Wiser with more than 30 years of business building, operational and financial consulting experience and a successful record of strategic growth for companies in the government contracting, IT and financial services industries. Most recently Kincaid served as managing partner of the Business Strategies Group in Pittsburgh, Penn., a firm that provides strategic consulting services to growth stage companies. Prior to Business Strategies Group he was partner at the Hutchinson Group in Washington, DC, where he directed activities related to M & A and strategic growth planning. He was also active in the Washington DC government services sector when he served as COO/CFO of The Jefferson Group and as managing member of Jefferson Partners, its affiliate merchant bank group. Kincaid has consulted to the West Virginia Jobs Investment Trust, the state-sponsored venture capital fund and is also a mentor for the New York City Investment Fund Bio-Accelerate Program and the NYC Venture Fellows Program. He has served as an adjunct faculty member and taught Leadership & Organizational Decision Making and Leadership & Ethics at the masters level and is a former Marine Corps Officer.

Hello Kincaids of all spellings, Are you a Warrior? Family Tree DNA has a dna test called Monoamine Oxidase A which is called the Warrior Gene test. The special price is $49.50 U.S. Dollars. Below is the blurb they have about it: The Warrior Gene is a variant of the gene MAO-A on the X chromosome. Recent studies have linked the Warrior Gene to increased risk-taking and aggressive behavior. Whether in sports, business, or other activities, scientists found that individuals with the Warrior Gene variant were more likely to be combative than those with the normal MAO-A gene. However, human behavior is complex and influenced by many factors, including genetics and our environment. Individuals with the Warrior Gene are not necessarily more aggressive, but according to scientific studies, are more likely to be aggressive than those without the Warrior Gene variant. This test is available for both men and women, however, there is limited research about the Warrior Gene variant amongst females. Additional details about the Warrior Gene genetic variant of MAO-A can be found in Sabol et al, 1998. Some of we Kincaids don’t need to order the Warrior test to know if we are Warriors!!! I am high on risk taking but low on aggressive behavior.................most of the time. Family Tree regular dna special pricing will be given you if you order from your personal page on the Kincaid Family Tree DNA website. In most cases they will still have enough of your dna sample to do any tests you choose. Below are special prices for the more popular tests: New 37 Y dna marker test $119 New 67 Y dna marker test $199 Upgrade from 37 Y dna markers to 67 Y dna markers $79. Upgrade from 67 markers to 111 markers $188 Mt dna $89 Family Finder $199 There are also specials on combined dna tests you can order which you can see on your page. We currently have 2 participants upgrading from 37 to 67 Y dna test. We now have over 200 participants in the Kincaid Surname DNA Project! Thanks to all participants for making our project one of the better ones! We have $236.50 in our General Fund to use in helping on costs of dna tests. We also have individuals who will help pay for Y dna tests for individuals who have documentation of their line and whose results may help current participants extend their lineage info or establish a new dna line. Also of interest is that Family Tree DNA has changed the way they determine genetic distance to be a wee bit more definitive. We look forward to Sue giving a report on this sometime. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all! Don

Clan KINCAID Eggnog recipe: 16 DEC 2012 ************************************* (Based on a six-cup Oster® Blender jar) 2 cups (1/3 full) ice cubes into blender jar 2 cups Eggbeaters® 1 whole nutmeg, freshly grated (or 1 TB ground) 1/4 cup extra-rich coffee creamer 1/4 cup artificial vanilla extract (Don't waste money on "pure" for this.) 1/2 cup Splenda® (or sugar) (if using liquor instead of liqueur, double the sweetener) 1/2 cup DRAMBUIE® liqueur (or more to taste!) (Price has gone up since last year. It's $39 a fifth now.) BLEND AWAY!! Yields two 16 oz. RED SOLO CUPS.

I received this e-mail and thought it might be of interest to others on the list. Note the Hollingsworth connection with Ann and Rebecca Calvert's sisters and Robert's effort to show a relationship to Calverts through Family Finder. Sue Liedtke Hello Sue Liedtke: My name is Robert Williams and I noticed your "Kinkead" vetting on Rootsweb. I am descended from Robert Williams and Ann Calvert .through their son Samuel that married Elizabeth Henderson. Are you descended from David Kinkead and Mary Williams? In my research, I have come across some documents that do not appear to be listed in the vetting. You might already have some of them. 1. Burrows (Burroughs) Kinkead is listed as a possible victim of the 2nd Kerr's Creek massacre per an article written on Wikipedia.org 2. Joseph Kinkead, David Kinkead (son), and Robert Williams appear in an article found in the periodical Tennessee Ancestors December 2000. The name of the article is "Two Petitions to Virginia of the North of Holston Men 1776, 1777". 3. Robert Williams and Joseph Kinkead appear together on a pay roll of Captain David Looney's company of militia on the frontier of Fincastle 1776. - Magazine of Virginia Genealogy, Vol. 30, No. 1. 4. Several records for a North Carolina Land Grant in Tennessee for Robert Williams refer to his land as bordering Joseph Kinkade's (various spellings of Kinkead) line. (It is actually the same record but was redone when Sullivan County was split into Hawkins County). Like some of the Kinkead descendants, I am doing the DNA testing. I am using Family Tree DNA. I have not had a close YDNA match yet. I have suggested to a couple of people that I think are descended from Samuel Williams' brother Robert to get tested in order to prove the Robert Williams d 1786 that married Ann Calvert. Several relatives and I are also doing the Family Finder Test which tests for cousins on www.familytreedna.com I am getting some good results from that. In fact, after seeing your posting on the sale of land by Ann Calvert Kinkead, I went back and reviewed my matches. I have 3 people with Hollingsworth lines. Turns out, the Hollingsworths are related to Calverts. Two sisters of Ann Calvert Kinkead Williams's grandfather (John Calvert) married Hollingsworths. I have not found a Lord Baltimore Calvert connection as mentioned in Miss Nan. Maybe a known descendant of David Kinkead and Mary Williams might do the family finder test in the future. (If interested, they are having a sale on tests if ordered by December 31st.) I also have a match where the participant has an Ann Calvert that married a Hugh Parrell in his tree. I do not know whether this our Ann Calvert Kinkead Williams or another related Calvert? There are also some court actions and land sales between a David Kinkead and John, Samuel, Isaiah and Robert Williams. I believe these Williamses to be children of Robert Williams, brother of Samuel in my direct line. This involved some of the land originally granted to Robert Williams d 1786 through a North Carolina Land Grant in Tennessee. I am wondering whether the David Kinkead involved was the David Kinkead that married Mary Williams or another David Kinkead? That's all I have for right now. Best Regards, Rob Williams Houston, TX

Congratulations to Ginger, wife of Rick Kincaid of Baltimore, MD. Rick was an early participant in the Kincaid Surname DNA project and avid Kincaid researcher. Field Hockey Coach of the Year: Ginger Kincaid, Glenelg a.. December 08, 2012|By Sandra McKee | The Baltimore Sun Ginger Kincaid Glenelg It took 34 years of coaching for Kincaid to raise a championship trophy at Glenelg. But once she got that first one, there has been no stopping her. Kincaid coached the Gladiators to a third straight Class 2A state championship and a 17-1 record this season. They finished 18-1 and 19-1 during the past two championship seasons, respectively.