Gene, I am # 1427 in Group A, Set 1b. Descendants of most distant American Kincaid, Joseph Kincaid, died 1774, Albemarle County, VA who are also in Set 1b are my 2nd cousin, once removed, Don R Kincaid, # 206264, John Peter Kincaid, my 5th gen cousin, # 83449 and Douglas Kincaid, 5th gen cousin, # 18496. One other descendant of Joseph is 80852, Charles David Kincaid in Set 1a since he does not have the mutation to 12 on marker 26 like those of us in 1b. Apparently our line is prone to having more mutations than most other Kincaid lines. I have several exact matches who are not descendants of Joseph like you and I are and I don't have any exact matches with any of the descendants of Joseph. I am also doing the Big Y dna test which includes over half the human chromosome so it should tell us more about the origin of our distant ancestors. Do you have any of your edition 2 Kincaid books left to sell? If so tell me the address and cost and I will send a check for The genealogy of the William Davis Kincaid family of Uvalde, Texas, with DNA results Don -----Original Message----- From: edkiii75 Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:58 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Group B Kincaids of all spellings IRISH DNACONNECTIONS dear don, are you in group b? cheers, edkiii On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:52 PM, Don W Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: We earlier posted information about our Group B participants having lots of Sutherland dna close matches and in fact more Sutherland matches than Kincaid matches. The administrator of the Sutherland Surname DNA Project has said it would be great for Group B participants to join the Sutherland dna project. It costs nothing and may help you to find your true roots. There are several groups in the Sutherland project and the administrator will place you in the group you match. I recommend you join. Peter A Kincaid sent some information on the Kincaid Sutherland connection you will find interesting: There is a connection to the Sutherlands – at least the Earls of Sutherland. Elizabeth, Countess of Sutherland married Adam Gordon, younger son of George Gordon, 2nd Earl of Huntly. The 2nd Earl of Huntly’s older brother Sir Alexander Seton, was the patriarch of the Setons of Touch and Tullibody. His grand daughter, Margaret Seton, married Thomas Kincaid of that Ilk, who had previously married Elizabeth Kincaid of that Ilk. As Elizabeth, Countess of Sutherland, went by Sutherland, it is conceivable that there was a Kincaid - Sutherland liaison somewhere in her line around this time. Today we received an email from the R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project which is known as the Irish Type 2 haplotype project. After receiving the email we have been in contact with Lance Brown, one of the administrators and found that they had already discovered the connection between our Group B and one group of the Sutherlands. Lance is contacting the Sutherlands who match Group B and inviting them to join the Irish Type 2 project. This Irish project could be beneficial to Group B participants especially in the more distant connections and geographical areas. Lance has emailed each Kincaid Group B participant that he could find an address for and we have forwarded his email to the 2 he did not have. Since the Irish project could be of interest to other Kincaid’s we have copied Lance’s email below. My name is Launcelot Brown (Lance). My FTDNA kit number is 290447. I am writing to you on behalf of the new R1b-CTS4466 Plus haplogroup project - http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plusbecause the genetic signature of your Y-DNA matches that of the Irish Type II haplotype. You can join the project by clicking "Join Request" at the top of the project page at the web address above. The CTS4466 or Irish Type II haplotype was identified by the respected scientist Dr Ken Nordvedt in 2006, distinguishing it by its distinctive haplotype, prior to the discovery of any SNPs associated with it. In 2011, multiple attempts to find a defining SNP through the Walk Through The Y test offered by Family Tree failed, but at the end of 2012, the more comprehensive Geno 2.0 test through National Geographic finally gave us success with two SNPs – CTS4466 and CTS5714. Then the 1000 Genome project added two more – CTS3974 and CTS8358. Since then, seven more have surfaced. The project was begun to discover the parameters of this major subclade which features strongly in the south of Ireland but is found as well in other areas of the Isles, including some in the west of Ireland, Wales, western England, an apparent branch in Northern Ireland and Scotland and a few continentals. We hope through our investigations to establish the hierarchy of the various SNPs currently known to be associated with the Irish Type II haplotype and discover the branches that surely are there amidst the significant number of men carrying this genetic signature. Once these branches have been identified, we will be better able to determine the possible origins of this prominent subclade centered in the south of Ireland. I can provide more information about the project and the science behind it, if you like. Please feel free to message me at any time. There is no fee required to join our project. All the administrators are volunteers. We do not require testing for most members to join, although eventual SNP testing is anticipated for all members as we learn more and can make better predictions about which SNPs members are likely positive for. No one should ever feel pressured to spend money on testing that they either can't afford, or simply do not see as beneficial to their own goals. If you would like guidance on what (if any) testing might make sense for you at this time, feel free to ask. As each kit is added to the project we undertake a closer review of the data. If there is something unusual about your results, we may ask you to do some SNP testing (usually a test just for the CTS4466 mutation) in order to determine with confidence whether your Y-DNA is a match for our haplogroup. It is also possible that a closer review of your data might reveal that you are not a match for R1b-CTS4466. In those cases, we try to suggest the correct haplogroup and provide some guidance before removing such a kit from the project. I would encourage you to review the various pages of the project at your convenience. We have a regularly updated chart that shows the current state of testing in our haplogroup: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/default.aspx?section=resultsAnd you can see that we are currently approaching 400 members: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/default.aspx?section=yresultsYou can see from the General Fund information on the Background page that we have raised and spent a fair amount of funds for the purpose of supporting testing among members unable to do so themselves: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus We are anxious to have you join our project and assist us in our research. Again, you can do so by clicking on "Join Request" on the banner at the top of the page. If you are not already logged in to your kit you will be prompted to do so. This will add you to the project. If you manage more than one kit, make sure you are logged in to the correct one before clicking "Join Request". The key to improving our understanding of the CTS4466 subclade is more data. We would welcome your participation and hope you will join us in our discoveries. If you have any comments or suggestions on how to improve the website or avenues of investigation, please share your thoughts. We look forward to hearing from you. Best Wishes, Elizabeth O'Donoghue Administrator Launcelot Brown Co-administrator Joseph Carroll Co-administrator Nigel McCarthy Co-administrator Dr Finbar O’Mahony Co-administrator R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Peter's assessment. Norman Kincaide On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:45 AM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: Both.  For the time being it will tell you things in a broader sense.  If a bunch of Group A Kincaids do the test then one can work out connections like that of strs, but with much better precision.  Until then it will not help you.  Given the cost I’d say the odds of seeing a lot of Kincaids tested is low.  My thoughts are that over time family snps will be identified and we will have a better picture than what strs will tell us. However, I think it best to wait for the technology to develop more and costs get down a lot.   Peter    From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:57 AM To: Kincaid ; kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] National Geographic DNA test   What want to know is would this test tell me and my family anything more than I already know about group A Kincaids or is this a more general application in a broader sense. Norman Kincaide On Monday, January 27, 2014 9:29 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: See http://www.familytreedna.com/genographic-project.aspx https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/ Quite a bit beyond our regular project testing. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:26 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] National Geographic DNA test Does anyone on the list know about the National Geographic DNA and is it different from Y-DNA testing for the Kincaid DNA project? Norman Kincaide For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

dear don, are you in group b? cheers, edkiii On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:52 PM, Don W Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: We earlier posted information about our Group B participants having lots of Sutherland dna close matches and in fact more Sutherland matches than Kincaid matches. The administrator of the Sutherland Surname DNA Project has said it would be great for Group B participants to join the Sutherland dna project. It costs nothing and may help you to find your true roots. There are several groups in the Sutherland project and the administrator will place you in the group you match. I recommend you join. Peter A Kincaid sent some information on the Kincaid Sutherland connection you will find interesting: There is a connection to the Sutherlands – at least the Earls of Sutherland.  Elizabeth, Countess of Sutherland married Adam Gordon, younger son of George Gordon, 2nd Earl of Huntly.  The 2nd Earl of Huntly’s older brother Sir Alexander Seton, was the patriarch of the Setons of Touch and Tullibody.  His grand daughter, Margaret Seton, married Thomas Kincaid of that Ilk, who had previously married Elizabeth Kincaid of that Ilk.  As Elizabeth, Countess of Sutherland, went by Sutherland, it is conceivable that there was a Kincaid - Sutherland liaison somewhere in her line around this time. Today we received an email from the R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project which is known as the Irish Type 2 haplotype project. After receiving the email we have been in contact with Lance Brown, one of the administrators and found that they had already discovered the connection between our Group B and one group of  the Sutherlands. Lance is contacting the Sutherlands who match Group B and inviting them to join the Irish Type 2 project. This Irish project could be beneficial to Group B participants especially in the more distant connections and geographical areas. Lance has emailed each Kincaid Group B participant that he could find an address for and we have forwarded his email to the 2 he did not have. Since the Irish project could be of interest to other Kincaid’s we have copied  Lance’s email below. My name is Launcelot Brown (Lance). My FTDNA kit number is 290447. I am writing to you on behalf of the new R1b-CTS4466 Plus haplogroup project - http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plusbecause the genetic signature of your Y-DNA matches that of the Irish Type II haplotype. You can join the project by clicking "Join Request" at the top of the project page at the web address above. The CTS4466 or Irish Type II haplotype was identified by the respected scientist Dr Ken Nordvedt in 2006, distinguishing it by its distinctive haplotype, prior to the discovery of any SNPs associated with it. In 2011, multiple attempts to find a defining SNP through the Walk Through The Y test offered by Family Tree failed, but at the end of 2012, the more comprehensive Geno 2.0 test through National Geographic finally gave us success with two SNPs – CTS4466 and CTS5714. Then the 1000 Genome project added two more – CTS3974 and CTS8358. Since then, seven more have surfaced. The project was begun to discover the parameters of this major subclade which features strongly in the south of Ireland but is found as well in other areas of the Isles, including some in the west of Ireland, Wales, western England, an apparent branch in Northern Ireland and Scotland and a few continentals. We hope through our investigations to establish the hierarchy of the various SNPs currently known to be associated with the Irish Type II haplotype and discover the branches that surely are there amidst the significant number of men carrying this genetic signature. Once these branches have been identified, we will be better able to determine the possible origins of this prominent subclade centered in the south of Ireland. I can provide more information about the project and the science behind it, if you like. Please feel free to message me at any time. There is no fee required to join our project. All the administrators are volunteers. We do not require testing for most members to join, although eventual SNP testing is anticipated for all members as we learn more and can make better predictions about which SNPs members are likely positive for. No one should ever feel pressured to spend money on testing that they either can't afford, or simply do not see as beneficial to their own goals. If you would like guidance on what (if any) testing might make sense for you at this time, feel free to ask. As each kit is added to the project we undertake a closer review of the data. If there is something unusual about your results, we may ask you to do some SNP testing (usually a test just for the CTS4466 mutation) in order to determine with confidence whether your Y-DNA is a match for our haplogroup. It is also possible that a closer review of your data might reveal that you are not a match for R1b-CTS4466. In those cases, we try to suggest the correct haplogroup and provide some guidance before removing such a kit from the project. I would encourage you to review the various pages of the project at your convenience. We have a regularly updated chart that shows the current state of testing in our haplogroup: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/default.aspx?section=resultsAnd you can see that we are currently approaching 400 members: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/default.aspx?section=yresultsYou can see from the General Fund information on the Background page that we have raised and spent a fair amount of funds for the purpose of supporting testing among members unable to do so themselves: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus We are anxious to have you join our project and assist us in our research. Again, you can do so by clicking on "Join Request" on the banner at the top of the page. If you are not already logged in to your kit you will be prompted to do so. This will add you to the project. If you manage more than one kit, make sure you are logged in to the correct one before clicking "Join Request". The key to improving our understanding of the CTS4466 subclade is more data. We would welcome your participation and hope you will join us in our discoveries. If you have any comments or suggestions on how to improve the website or avenues of investigation, please share your thoughts. We look forward to hearing from you. Best Wishes, Elizabeth O'Donoghue Administrator Launcelot Brown Co-administrator Joseph Carroll Co-administrator Nigel McCarthy Co-administrator Dr Finbar O’Mahony Co-administrator R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

See http://www.familytreedna.com/genographic-project.aspx https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/ Quite a bit beyond our regular project testing. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:26 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] National Geographic DNA test Does anyone on the list know about the National Geographic DNA and is it different from Y-DNA testing for the Kincaid DNA project? Norman Kincaide For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I view our Y dna project giving us info on who we relate to for hundreds of years and the Geno 2 project will be looking at thousands of years for broad groups and the results will increase info about when and where various haplogroups lived so by joining the National Geographic Group you contribute to general knowledge of our very early ancestors which will be interesting but not too helpful in getting each of our lineages back to Scotland. I suggest anyone considering the Geno 2 test to read the complete information in the websites Peter posted and possible Google for scientific reviews of it's value. I should have the results of my Big Y test soon and suspect it will cover all the Geno 2 test covers plus much more. If someone does take the Geno 2 dna test we hope they will report back on the results. Don -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:57 PM To: Kincaid ; kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] National Geographic DNA test What want to know is would this test tell me and my family anything more than I already know about group A Kincaids or is this a more general application in a broader sense. Norman Kincaide On Monday, January 27, 2014 9:29 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: See http://www.familytreedna.com/genographic-project.aspx https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/ Quite a bit beyond our regular project testing. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:26 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] National Geographic DNA test Does anyone on the list know about the National Geographic DNA and is it different from Y-DNA testing for the Kincaid DNA project? Norman Kincaide For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Don. On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:34 PM, Don W Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: I view our Y dna project giving us info on who we relate to for hundreds of years and the Geno 2 project will be looking at thousands of years for broad groups and the results will increase info about when and where various haplogroups lived so by joining the National Geographic Group you contribute to general knowledge of our very early ancestors which will be interesting but not too helpful in getting each of our lineages back to Scotland. I suggest anyone considering the Geno 2 test to read the complete information in the websites Peter posted and possible Google for scientific reviews of it's value. I should have the results of my Big Y test soon and suspect it will cover all the Geno 2 test covers plus much more. If someone does take the Geno 2 dna test we hope they will report back on the results. Don -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:57 PM To: Kincaid ; kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] National Geographic DNA test What want to know is would this test tell me and my family anything more than I already know about group A Kincaids or is this a more general application in a broader sense. Norman Kincaide On Monday, January 27, 2014 9:29 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: See http://www.familytreedna.com/genographic-project.aspx https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/ Quite a bit beyond our regular project testing. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:26 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] National Geographic DNA test Does anyone on the list know about the National Geographic DNA and is it different from Y-DNA testing for the Kincaid DNA project? Norman Kincaide For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What want to know is would this test tell me and my family anything more than I already know about group A Kincaids or is this a more general application in a broader sense. Norman Kincaide On Monday, January 27, 2014 9:29 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: See http://www.familytreedna.com/genographic-project.aspx https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/ Quite a bit beyond our regular project testing. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:26 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] National Geographic DNA test Does anyone on the list know about the National Geographic DNA and is it different from Y-DNA testing for the Kincaid DNA project? Norman Kincaide For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We earlier posted information about our Group B participants having lots of Sutherland dna close matches and in fact more Sutherland matches than Kincaid matches. The administrator of the Sutherland Surname DNA Project has said it would be great for Group B participants to join the Sutherland dna project. It costs nothing and may help you to find your true roots. There are several groups in the Sutherland project and the administrator will place you in the group you match. I recommend you join. Peter A Kincaid sent some information on the Kincaid Sutherland connection you will find interesting: There is a connection to the Sutherlands – at least the Earls of Sutherland. Elizabeth, Countess of Sutherland married Adam Gordon, younger son of George Gordon, 2nd Earl of Huntly. The 2nd Earl of Huntly’s older brother Sir Alexander Seton, was the patriarch of the Setons of Touch and Tullibody. His grand daughter, Margaret Seton, married Thomas Kincaid of that Ilk, who had previously married Elizabeth Kincaid of that Ilk. As Elizabeth, Countess of Sutherland, went by Sutherland, it is conceivable that there was a Kincaid - Sutherland liaison somewhere in her line around this time. Today we received an email from the R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project which is known as the Irish Type 2 haplotype project. After receiving the email we have been in contact with Lance Brown, one of the administrators and found that they had already discovered the connection between our Group B and one group of the Sutherlands. Lance is contacting the Sutherlands who match Group B and inviting them to join the Irish Type 2 project. This Irish project could be beneficial to Group B participants especially in the more distant connections and geographical areas. Lance has emailed each Kincaid Group B participant that he could find an address for and we have forwarded his email to the 2 he did not have. Since the Irish project could be of interest to other Kincaid’s we have copied Lance’s email below. My name is Launcelot Brown (Lance). My FTDNA kit number is 290447. I am writing to you on behalf of the new R1b-CTS4466 Plus haplogroup project - http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus because the genetic signature of your Y-DNA matches that of the Irish Type II haplotype. You can join the project by clicking "Join Request" at the top of the project page at the web address above. The CTS4466 or Irish Type II haplotype was identified by the respected scientist Dr Ken Nordvedt in 2006, distinguishing it by its distinctive haplotype, prior to the discovery of any SNPs associated with it. In 2011, multiple attempts to find a defining SNP through the Walk Through The Y test offered by Family Tree failed, but at the end of 2012, the more comprehensive Geno 2.0 test through National Geographic finally gave us success with two SNPs – CTS4466 and CTS5714. Then the 1000 Genome project added two more – CTS3974 and CTS8358. Since then, seven more have surfaced. The project was begun to discover the parameters of this major subclade which features strongly in the south of Ireland but is found as well in other areas of the Isles, including some in the west of Ireland, Wales, western England, an apparent branch in Northern Ireland and Scotland and a few continentals. We hope through our investigations to establish the hierarchy of the various SNPs currently known to be associated with the Irish Type II haplotype and discover the branches that surely are there amidst the significant number of men carrying this genetic signature. Once these branches have been identified, we will be better able to determine the possible origins of this prominent subclade centered in the south of Ireland. I can provide more information about the project and the science behind it, if you like. Please feel free to message me at any time. There is no fee required to join our project. All the administrators are volunteers. We do not require testing for most members to join, although eventual SNP testing is anticipated for all members as we learn more and can make better predictions about which SNPs members are likely positive for. No one should ever feel pressured to spend money on testing that they either can't afford, or simply do not see as beneficial to their own goals. If you would like guidance on what (if any) testing might make sense for you at this time, feel free to ask. As each kit is added to the project we undertake a closer review of the data. If there is something unusual about your results, we may ask you to do some SNP testing (usually a test just for the CTS4466 mutation) in order to determine with confidence whether your Y-DNA is a match for our haplogroup. It is also possible that a closer review of your data might reveal that you are not a match for R1b-CTS4466. In those cases, we try to suggest the correct haplogroup and provide some guidance before removing such a kit from the project. I would encourage you to review the various pages of the project at your convenience. We have a regularly updated chart that shows the current state of testing in our haplogroup: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/default.aspx?section=results And you can see that we are currently approaching 400 members: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/default.aspx?section=yresults You can see from the General Fund information on the Background page that we have raised and spent a fair amount of funds for the purpose of supporting testing among members unable to do so themselves: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus We are anxious to have you join our project and assist us in our research. Again, you can do so by clicking on "Join Request" on the banner at the top of the page. If you are not already logged in to your kit you will be prompted to do so. This will add you to the project. If you manage more than one kit, make sure you are logged in to the correct one before clicking "Join Request". The key to improving our understanding of the CTS4466 subclade is more data. We would welcome your participation and hope you will join us in our discoveries. If you have any comments or suggestions on how to improve the website or avenues of investigation, please share your thoughts. We look forward to hearing from you. Best Wishes, Elizabeth O'Donoghue Administrator Launcelot Brown Co-administrator Joseph Carroll Co-administrator Nigel McCarthy Co-administrator Dr Finbar O’Mahony Co-administrator R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project

Does anyone on the list know about the National Geographic DNA and is it different from Y-DNA testing for the Kincaid DNA project? Norman Kincaide

I am buried at work, but will try to post known and verified history this weekend. BTW--- me and my two brothers are trying to swing a trip to Scotland in August to coincide with the Kincaid trip. Joseph P. Kincaid SWANSON, MARTIN & BELL, LLP 330 N. Wabash, Suite 3300 Chicago, IL  60611 Direct Line  312/321-8442 Fax - 312/321-0990   Disclaimer: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee.  If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof.  Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Larry Kincaid Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:53 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13 Thanks for the new information, Richard. I'm the Group C-2 member you mentioned with the two SNP's, "Scots modal" cluster (L1335+ and L1065+). I just ran a ydna search on FTDNA and came up with Joseph Paul Kincaid ( jkincaid@smbtrials.com), who does not list any direct paternal ancestry information on the web site. This looks like the same Joe P. Kincaid, but the FTDNA ID number is not given. The SNP chart you identified has a branch off of L-21 that stops using FTDNA labels after L1335 and L1065. It continues to the one end point with S696. According to the MacGregor DNA web site, the current chief of the MacGregor clan has tested for both L1335 and L1065, as well as all the way out to the current end of the tree at S696. Apparently, the L1065 marker separates out the Welsh participants into a separate group. According to their Jan news update, the MacGregors are working with the Scottish DNA testers to pursue this SNP further. Looks like FTDNA testing does not offer any further SNP tests for me to obtain. I either have to wait for that to happen or start participating in the British/Scottish lab testing. Or jus wait, period. For those interested, I have joined the L21, L1335 and now L1065 FTDNA dna projects, as well as the MacGregor project. The Kincaid dna site looks quite clear compared to the MacGregor site. Because the surname was banned twice at one point and everyone had to take new surnames, the list of surnames testing into the site is quite large. From a genealogical point of view this is interesting because many of the ancestors of those testing positive on the L1335 and L1065 markers can trace ancestors back geographically to the area around Campsie Parish north of Glasgow where the Kincaid surname originated. Lacking any genealogical information of our Group C-2 back to Scotland or Ireland, I have no choice but to pursue the SNP trail and look for SNP "relatives" who may have that kind of information. This line on the tree is being characterized as Scottish modal, but in particular as a candidate for Pict roots as well. My dna (all of C-2?) matches with some MacGregor's with a 90% probability of a common ancestor from 500 to 600 years ago. If I find anyone who has genealogical data that places anyone with Kincaid surnames in Scotland, I'll share the information as soon as I get it. This is working along the same lines that our group A Kincaid's are finding SNP connections to Sinclair's. Ironically, I recently found a dna match to a Sinclair as well, suggesting that we all really did live next to one another at some time and got a bit mixed up. Larry (Don) Kincaid, #16491 Group C-2. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Richard Hulan <rhulan@verizon.net> wrote: > Yep, it must be a typo, there are new results for 270925 in group C-2. > And FTDNA hasn't sold 970,000 kits. > > The only seriously SNP-tested person in the group is #16491, he's in > the "Scots modal" cluster (L1335+ and L1065+) under haplogroup > R1b-L21. So, presumably, is everybody else having some form of the > surname and matching haplotypes at high resolution (say, 65/67 or so). > > It may be of some interest that there have recently been quite a few > SNPs described or detected under L1065. Almost all are S-series SNPs; > tests are available from BritainsDNA (aka Scotland's, etc.) but not > from FTDNA, at the moment. And they also aren't on the ISOGG tree, > yet. This group (Kincaid project, C-2) falls somewhere in the blue > boxes on the left side of the chart viewable at this url: > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-L21_Tree_Chart.pdf > > Dick Hulan > > > On Jan 23, 2014, at 3:00 AM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. New results for 970925 (Sue Liedtke) > > 2. Re: New results for 970925 (Joe Kincaid) > > 3. Re: New results for 970925 (Alice Gedge) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 05:51:40 -0800 > > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <D9F51D81B26B4B13BE205277AA6F604D@Susan> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > > reply-type=original > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He > > matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:10:27 -0600 > > From: Joe Kincaid <Jkincaid@smbtrials.com> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: "kincaid@rootsweb.com" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: > > < > 9ECEBC05C3B1B649AB228EC7982B5E6E1841420C78@SMB-XDS-01.smbtrials.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Is this 270925? > > > > Joseph P. Kincaid > > SWANSON, MARTIN & BELL, LLP > > 330 N. Wabash, Suite 3300 > > Chicago, IL? 60611 > > Direct Line? 312/321-8442 > > Fax - 312/321-0990 > > > > ? > > > > Disclaimer: > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may > > contain > legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for > the use of the addressee.? If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, > dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or > its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or > by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof.? Thank you. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Sue Liedtke > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:52 AM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He > > matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > > project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:40:50 -0700 > > From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@centurylink.net> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <2768D92C3EB249C488D7379ED56FAB65@OwnerPC> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Sue, > > > > I don't see him anywhere on the chart. You say he has an upgrade. > > Can > you > > tell us anything about him? > > > > Thank you, > > Alice Gedge > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sue Liedtke > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:51 AM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He > > matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > > KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to > KINCAID@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > > the > body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13 > > ************************************** > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- dddddddd For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to Norman's post, it looks like William was the son of Robert Kincaid/Susannah Powell. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/KINCAID/2008-09/1221938808 1843 William Kincaid, [000005] born January 21, 1779, son of Robert Kincaid [000005] & wife Susannah Powell, died April 19, 1843 in Greene County, PA. York County Historical Trust Library, Kinkead file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1843 William Kincaid, [000005] will, Greene County, PA Will Book Vol. 2, p. 176. 1843 William Kincaid’s [000005] estate registered on April 22, 1843, citation by Martha Kincaid, widow of William Kincaid, 2 sons: James Kincaid (died Feb. 19, 1851) and William Kincaid. Washington County Court House, Washington, PA, Will Book, Vol. 6, p. 93, Chester County Historical Society, West Chester, PA, Kincaid file. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Sue Liedtke Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:21 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 That is because I goofed and there is a typo in his number. Please accept my apology. It should read 279025. He is in C-2. His only variance from the AAV is at marker 12 (389-2) where he has a 31 instead of a 30. I have no other information on his ancestor. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@centurylink.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > Sue, > > I don't see him anywhere on the chart. You say he has an upgrade. Can > you > tell us anything about him? > > Thank you, > Alice Gedge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Liedtke > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:51 AM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > Sue Liedtke > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the new information, Richard. I'm the Group C-2 member you mentioned with the two SNP's, "Scots modal" cluster (L1335+ and L1065+). I just ran a ydna search on FTDNA and came up with Joseph Paul Kincaid ( jkincaid@smbtrials.com), who does not list any direct paternal ancestry information on the web site. This looks like the same Joe P. Kincaid, but the FTDNA ID number is not given. The SNP chart you identified has a branch off of L-21 that stops using FTDNA labels after L1335 and L1065. It continues to the one end point with S696. According to the MacGregor DNA web site, the current chief of the MacGregor clan has tested for both L1335 and L1065, as well as all the way out to the current end of the tree at S696. Apparently, the L1065 marker separates out the Welsh participants into a separate group. According to their Jan news update, the MacGregors are working with the Scottish DNA testers to pursue this SNP further. Looks like FTDNA testing does not offer any further SNP tests for me to obtain. I either have to wait for that to happen or start participating in the British/Scottish lab testing. Or jus wait, period. For those interested, I have joined the L21, L1335 and now L1065 FTDNA dna projects, as well as the MacGregor project. The Kincaid dna site looks quite clear compared to the MacGregor site. Because the surname was banned twice at one point and everyone had to take new surnames, the list of surnames testing into the site is quite large. From a genealogical point of view this is interesting because many of the ancestors of those testing positive on the L1335 and L1065 markers can trace ancestors back geographically to the area around Campsie Parish north of Glasgow where the Kincaid surname originated. Lacking any genealogical information of our Group C-2 back to Scotland or Ireland, I have no choice but to pursue the SNP trail and look for SNP "relatives" who may have that kind of information. This line on the tree is being characterized as Scottish modal, but in particular as a candidate for Pict roots as well. My dna (all of C-2?) matches with some MacGregor's with a 90% probability of a common ancestor from 500 to 600 years ago. If I find anyone who has genealogical data that places anyone with Kincaid surnames in Scotland, I'll share the information as soon as I get it. This is working along the same lines that our group A Kincaid's are finding SNP connections to Sinclair's. Ironically, I recently found a dna match to a Sinclair as well, suggesting that we all really did live next to one another at some time and got a bit mixed up. Larry (Don) Kincaid, #16491 Group C-2. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Richard Hulan <rhulan@verizon.net> wrote: > Yep, it must be a typo, there are new results for 270925 in group C-2. > And FTDNA hasn't sold 970,000 kits. > > The only seriously SNP-tested person in the group is #16491, he's in the > "Scots modal" cluster (L1335+ and L1065+) under haplogroup R1b-L21. So, > presumably, is everybody else having some form of the surname and matching > haplotypes at high resolution (say, 65/67 or so). > > It may be of some interest that there have recently been quite a few SNPs > described or detected under L1065. Almost all are S-series SNPs; tests are > available from BritainsDNA (aka Scotland's, etc.) but not from FTDNA, at > the moment. And they also aren't on the ISOGG tree, yet. This group > (Kincaid project, C-2) falls somewhere in the blue boxes on the left side > of the chart viewable at this url: > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-L21_Tree_Chart.pdf > > Dick Hulan > > > On Jan 23, 2014, at 3:00 AM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. New results for 970925 (Sue Liedtke) > > 2. Re: New results for 970925 (Joe Kincaid) > > 3. Re: New results for 970925 (Alice Gedge) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 05:51:40 -0800 > > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <D9F51D81B26B4B13BE205277AA6F604D@Susan> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > > reply-type=original > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:10:27 -0600 > > From: Joe Kincaid <Jkincaid@smbtrials.com> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: "kincaid@rootsweb.com" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: > > < > 9ECEBC05C3B1B649AB228EC7982B5E6E1841420C78@SMB-XDS-01.smbtrials.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Is this 270925? > > > > Joseph P. Kincaid > > SWANSON, MARTIN & BELL, LLP > > 330 N. Wabash, Suite 3300 > > Chicago, IL? 60611 > > Direct Line? 312/321-8442 > > Fax - 312/321-0990 > > > > ? > > > > Disclaimer: > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain > legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use > of the addressee.? If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, > distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately by telephone or by electronic mail, and > delete this message and all copies and backups thereof.? Thank you. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Sue Liedtke > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:52 AM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:40:50 -0700 > > From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@centurylink.net> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <2768D92C3EB249C488D7379ED56FAB65@OwnerPC> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Sue, > > > > I don't see him anywhere on the chart. You say he has an upgrade. Can > you > > tell us anything about him? > > > > Thank you, > > Alice Gedge > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sue Liedtke > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:51 AM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > > KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to > KINCAID@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13 > > ************************************** > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- dddddddd

Yep, it must be a typo, there are new results for 270925 in group C-2. And FTDNA hasn't sold 970,000 kits. The only seriously SNP-tested person in the group is #16491, he's in the "Scots modal" cluster (L1335+ and L1065+) under haplogroup R1b-L21. So, presumably, is everybody else having some form of the surname and matching haplotypes at high resolution (say, 65/67 or so). It may be of some interest that there have recently been quite a few SNPs described or detected under L1065. Almost all are S-series SNPs; tests are available from BritainsDNA (aka Scotland's, etc.) but not from FTDNA, at the moment. And they also aren't on the ISOGG tree, yet. This group (Kincaid project, C-2) falls somewhere in the blue boxes on the left side of the chart viewable at this url: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-L21_Tree_Chart.pdf Dick Hulan On Jan 23, 2014, at 3:00 AM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. New results for 970925 (Sue Liedtke) > 2. Re: New results for 970925 (Joe Kincaid) > 3. Re: New results for 970925 (Alice Gedge) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 05:51:40 -0800 > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D9F51D81B26B4B13BE205277AA6F604D@Susan> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > Sue Liedtke > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:10:27 -0600 > From: Joe Kincaid <Jkincaid@smbtrials.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > To: "kincaid@rootsweb.com" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <9ECEBC05C3B1B649AB228EC7982B5E6E1841420C78@SMB-XDS-01.smbtrials.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Is this 270925? > > Joseph P. Kincaid > SWANSON, MARTIN & BELL, LLP > 330 N. Wabash, Suite 3300 > Chicago, IL? 60611 > Direct Line? 312/321-8442 > Fax - 312/321-0990 > > ? > > Disclaimer: > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee.? If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof.? Thank you. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Liedtke > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:52 AM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > Sue Liedtke > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:40:50 -0700 > From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@centurylink.net> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2768D92C3EB249C488D7379ED56FAB65@OwnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sue, > > I don't see him anywhere on the chart. You say he has an upgrade. Can you > tell us anything about him? > > Thank you, > Alice Gedge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Liedtke > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:51 AM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > Sue Liedtke > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to KINCAID@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13 > **************************************

That is because I goofed and there is a typo in his number. Please accept my apology. It should read 279025. He is in C-2. His only variance from the AAV is at marker 12 (389-2) where he has a 31 instead of a 30. I have no other information on his ancestor. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@centurylink.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > Sue, > > I don't see him anywhere on the chart. You say he has an upgrade. Can > you > tell us anything about him? > > Thank you, > Alice Gedge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Liedtke > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:51 AM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > Sue Liedtke > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is this 270925? Joseph P. Kincaid SWANSON, MARTIN & BELL, LLP 330 N. Wabash, Suite 3300 Chicago, IL  60611 Direct Line  312/321-8442 Fax - 312/321-0990   Disclaimer: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee.  If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof.  Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Liedtke Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:52 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. Sue Liedtke For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue, I don't see him anywhere on the chart. You say he has an upgrade. Can you tell us anything about him? Thank you, Alice Gedge -----Original Message----- From: Sue Liedtke Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:51 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. Sue Liedtke For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. Sue Liedtke

Hopefully this project will become reality! It was in the Kirkintilloch, Scotland, news today. I Googled A-Listed and found this: Buildings of national or international importance, either architectural or historic, or fine little-altered examples of some particular period, style or building type. http://www.kirkintilloch-herald.co.uk/news/local-headlines/new-homes-plan-for-the-castle-1-3275204 A fire-damaged historic landmark building could finally be brought back to life with plans for a development of 36 new homes on the site. A ‘proposal of application notice’ has been submitted for the A-listed Lennox Castle, in Lennoxtown. Applicants Allied Irish Bank want to build between 34 and 36 residential apartments, with access roads, drainage and landscape work. Plans to build homes on the site have been on the go as far back as 2005. Originally the application specified work should commence by May 2010, but this was extended to May 2012. P&P Properties, the owners listed at the time, applied for permission to extend the permission for a further two years – to May 2014. The delay has increased fears over the future of the dilapidated building. It was built in 1837 and was transformed into a hospital in 1927, treating patients until its closure in 2002. Since then it has fallen into a state of disrepair and was ravaged by fire in 2008, leading to the demolition of part of the building. David Carlin, chairman of Campsie Community Council, has welcomed the plans for the new homes. He said: “We would like to see the building brought back to its original state. “It’s something of historical value and I think it was the same architect that designed the High Church in the village. “It would be a sin to see such a lovely building go to waste. It will be good to see something done.”

I received the message below from Jeanne Fail. The Lillian May Kincaid in question is not of my line. She is of the Falkirk Kincaids that went to Missouri. Discussion about her and her line was at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/KINCAID/2007-05/1178167180 If anyone is interested in the artifacts she has then contact her at jfail@kc.rr.com. Best wishes! Peter From: Jeanne Fail Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:59 PM To: 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca Subject: FW: Lillian May Kincaid Hi There! I found a math book at the flea market in Independence, Mo this morning that may have belonged to a relative of yours. “Lillian May Kincaid from Osage Iron Works, Mo” was written on the inside covers. She noted that the date was August 27, 1921 and that the book belonged to her. Was she a teacher? I wondered if you would like to have the book. If so, let me know and I will send it to you. I paid next to nothing for it and am not looking to sell it, just pass along if you want it. I took a picture of some writing she did on the inside. Have a good day! Jeanne Fail

Ken, SAR has one member using this Thomas Kincaid as his ancestor. The number is 63728. There is no documentation on file for this early application. It does not go through John. The proof cited is Adjutant Generals report. The DAR has quite a few applications on file using this ancestor, and some of those do go through John. You can order copies of the backup documents on those apps from the DAR. Jessie Hagan NSSAR On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 05:24:12 -0500 "Kenneth G. Carpenter" <kcarpenter@cinci.rr.com> wrote: > List > > > > I need help proofing the line Mary Polly Kincaid 1804-1883 d of John > 1779-1834 s of Thomas 1755-1819. Also proof of service in the Revolutionary > war. > > > > Ken > > kcarpenter@cinci.rr.com > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Jessie Hagan <jessie-h@insightbb.com>