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    1. Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 67
    2. Luis Castillo Jr

    3. Surnames that I am researching: Sadler Kinkade Meredith Skaggs Brunk > On Mar 31, 2014, at 12:31 PM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Samuel Kinkade/Minerva Brunk (Barbara Van Hout) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:31:07 -0400 > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > Subject: [KINCAID] Samuel Kinkade/Minerva Brunk > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D5DAA4886C274D2DB9CF4FD5A7C8305A@INSPIRON560> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > I am interested in how you descend from Samuel Kinkade/Minerva Brunk. I > believe that Samuel was the son of William S. Kinkade/Sarah H Cain. Sarah > was William's second wife and Sarah moved to Grayson County with her > children after William died. William's first wife was Harriet Kermickle and > they married in 1811 in Hardin County, KY. > > William S Kinkade was the oldest son of Robert Kinkade/Mary Bowman of Hardin > County, KY. Robert served for 3 years in the American Revolution and filed > for a pension in 1820. > > This includes Robert's will. Sadie Kinkead of St. Louis, who wrote the > letter seeking information about Robert and his RW service, > is a descendant of William S. Kinkade and Sarah of Grayson County. > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kyphoenix2&id=I97 > > There is a lot more information about these families: > Grayson & Hardin Co., Kentucky - Kinkade's & related families > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=kyphoenix2&surname=K > > We have a DNA sample from a descendant of Sarah H Kinkade's son James C > Kinkade, which matches very closely to William/Harriet's older son W M S > Kinkade who married Mary Margaret Upton in Hardin County. > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/KINCAID/2011-10/1318603365 > > James C. Shelton Kinkade > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=281&GScid=2194569&GRid=44295378& > > Birth: 1836 > Hardin County > Kentucky, USA > Death: Jan. 15, 1945 > > James C. Shelton Kinkade, the son of William S. Kinkade and Sarah Harriet > Cain, was born in February 1836 in Hardin County, Kentucky. > > Burial: > McGrew Cemetery > Leitchfield > Grayson County > Kentucky, USA > > Created by: VirJean Potter Bozarth (... > Record added: Nov 13, 2009 > Find A Grave Memorial# 44295378 > > > > Grayson County, KY census, > from Norman Kincaide's website: > > > 1850 Samuel Kinkade, age 26, born KY, farmer, Grayson County, KY, > household 130. > > 1850 Minerva Kinkade, age 23, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1850 Temperance J. Kinkade, age 4, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1850 Harriet M. Kinkade, age 2, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1850 Mary A. Kinkade, age 8 months, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > > > 1850 Sarah Kinkade, age 45, born KY, Grayson County, KY, household 264. > > 1850 Isabella Kinkade, age 16, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1850 Emeline Kinkade, age 16, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1850 James C. Kinkade, age 13, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1850 Abraham P. Kinkade, age 11, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1850 George W. Kinkade, age 9, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1850 Liggin Kinkade, age 7, male, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1850 Eliza Kinkade, age 5, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > > 1860 > Grayson County, KY > > > 1860 Samuel Kinkade, age 36, born KY, farmer, Grayson County, KY, p. 383, > image 383, family 236. > > 1860 Minerva Kinkade, age 34, born KY, housekeepking, Grayson County, KY. > > 1860 Temperance Kinkade, age 14, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1860 Harriet Kinkade, age 11, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1860 Martha Kinkade, age 8, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1860 William T. Kinkade, age 6, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1860 Frances J. Kinkade, age 4, born KY, female, Grayson County, KY. > > 1860 James B.C. Kinkade, age 2, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1860 Charles F. Kinkade, age 3 months, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > > > 1860 Sarah H. Kinkade, age 57, born KY, farm manager, Grayson County, KY, > p. 523, image 523, family 1196. > > 1860 Abraham Kinkade, age 20, born KY, farm laborer, Grayson County, KY. > > 1860 George W. Kinkade, age 19, born KY, farm laborer, Grayson County, > KY. > > 1860 Ligin W. Kinkade, age 17, born KY, farm laborer, Grayson County, KY. > > 1860 Eliza Kinkade, age 15, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > 1860 Elizabeth Cain, age 48, born KY, Grayson County, KY. > > ?Name: Louisa Kinkade > ?Surname: Kinkade > ?Given Name: Louisa > ?_AKA: Eliza > ?Sex: F > ?Birth: 22 Mar 1845 in Olna, IL 1 > ?Death: 22 Apr 1915 in Grayson Co., KY 2 1 > ?Burial: St. Mary's Cemetery, Grayson Co., KY 3 1 > ?_UID: A3C38201229F784B9C47A2845689EB75B5F5 > ?Note: > Death Certificate Info: > Luiza Pirtle > Date of Birth: March 22 1845 Place: Olna, Illinois > Date of Death: April 22 1915 Place: Grayson Co., KY. > Age at death: 70 yrs 0 mos 30 dys. > Cause of death: Softening of brain (thrombus of brain) > Burial: April 23 in Petty Graveyard, Grayson Co. > Name of Father: William S. Kinkade BP: Ireland > Name of Mother: Sarah H. Cain BP: KY > Informant: J.L. Pirtle of Big Clifty, KY. > > Olney, IL is in Richland county, IL. Several of Robert/Mary's children > moved to the Richland County area, including Clay County, beginning about > 1830. > > > Grayson County, KY census 1870 > > > 1870 S.H. Kinkade, age 66, born KY, white, female, keeps house, > Litchfield, Grayson County, KY, p. 42, family 307. > > [In household of J.T Pirtle, age 25, born KY.] > > > 1870 J.C. Kingkade, age 34, born KY, white, male, farmer, Precinct 5, > Grayson County, KY, p. 4, family 22. > > 1870 Winnie A. Kingkade, age 25, born KY, white, female, keeps house, > Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. > > 1870 John F. Kingkade, age 5, born KY, white, male, Precinct 5, Grayson > County, KY. > > 1870 Emmeline T. Kingkade, age 2, born KY, white, female, Precinct 5, > Grayson County, KY. > > 1870 Joshua W. Kingkade, age 9 months, born KY, white, male, Precinct 5, > Grayson County, KY. > > > > 1870 Samuel Kingkade, age 46, born KY, white, male, farmer, Precinct 5, > Grayson County, KY, p. 34, family 240. > > 1870 Menervia Kingkade, age 44, born KY, white, female, keeps house, > Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. > > 1870 Martha W. Kingkade, age 17, born KY, white, female, Precinct 5, > Grayson County, KY. > > 1870 William T. Kingkade, age 16, born KY, white, male, farm laborer, > Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. > > 1870 Frances J. Kingkade, age 14, born KY, white, female, Precinct 5, > Grayson County, KY. > > 1870 James B.C. Kingkade, age 12, born KY, white, male, farm laborer, > Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. > > 1870 Charles F. Kingkade, age 10, born KY, white, male, Precinct 5, > Grayson County, KY. > > 1870 Sarah A. Kingkade, age 7, born KY, white, female, Precinct 5, > Grayson County, KY. > > 1870 John S. Kingkade, age 3, born KY, white, male, Precinct 5, Grayson > County, KY. > > > Barbara > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Castillo Jr > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:24 PM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 64 > > I am looking for further info on the Rev War Patriot, William Kinkade and > his descendants. Spelled first 'Kincaid' then 'Kinkead' and finally > 'Kinkade" I know Guy Kinkade and Lovie Dictum are in this line. > My Grandfather was Samuel Kinkade who lived and died in Grayson Co KY. and > was married to Minerva Brunk. > I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. > Jean Sadler > Stockton, CA > > > >> On Mar 29, 2014, at 12:00 AM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Kinkead families of Christian County, IL (Barbara Van Hout) >> 2. Re: Kinkead families of Christian County, IL (Courtney Kahler) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:07:57 -0400 >> From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> >> Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL >> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <886E4F71DDBB467C9DAA40D4914B969F@INSPIRON560> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> I could not find Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel in the 1870 Federal >> Census for Illinois. Both of them are buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in >> Christian County, IL. But their son Charles Kinkead was living in >> Christian >> County, IL according to the 1870 census. >> >> HH 34 >> W E Cushing 36 >> Susan Cushing 35 >> Irving Cushing 13 >> Horrace Cushing 12 >> Samuel Cushing 9 >> Chs Kinkade 20 >> Lucy Demott 21 >> >> KINKEAD, RICHARD R CUSHING, LENORA B 1873-04-16 00B 0066 00003221 >> CHRISTIAN, IL >> Charles also went by the name of Richard? >> >> CUSHING, SAMUEL KINKEAD, LENA 1883-03-22 00B 0189 00005599 >> CHRISTIAN, >> IL >> >> This is the Guy H Kincaid/Isabella family in the 1860 Federal Census for >> Greene County, IL: >> >> G H Kincaid 37 >> Isabella Kincaid 37 >> Charles Kincaid 10 >> Candice Kincaid 1 >> >> But I did find another, older age 67 Guy Kinkead in the 1870 Christian >> County, IL >> census in the household of M L Young and his wife, who was a Kinkead. >> This >> couple >> was married in 1854, according to IL marriage records. >> >> YOUNG, M L KINKEAD, E L 1854-10-01 00A 0070 00000479 CHRISTIAN >> >> This is what Norman found for this older Guy Kinkead: >> >> 1870 Guy Kinkead, age 67, born KY, white, male, physician, Township 13, >> Range 2, Christian County, IL, p. 29, family 202. >> [In household of M.C. Young, age 44, born KY.] >> >> This Guy Kinkead appears to have been the son of Guy Kinkead, Sr. and >> Lovie >> Dictum of Christian County, KY. The age works for him to have been their >> son. >> >> In 1860, Guy Kinkead and his son Oliver G Kinkead were living together in >> Trigg County, KY. Oliver's mother was Sarah Ann McReynolds, daughter of >> Oliver McReynolds and Mary Elizabeth Steele, >> according to family search records. Sarah was Guy Kinkead's second wife. >> He was married first to Susan Allen in 1830. >> >> By 1880, the older Guy Kinkead's son Oliver G (Guy) Kinkead had moved to >> Christian County, IL. >> >> Family search records: >> O.G. Kinkead >> marriage: 8 October 1863 Christian, Kentucky >> spouse: Mary V. Wood >> >> >> Christian County IL >> >> 1880 O.G. Kincade, born 1842, in KY, age 38, white, married, farmer, >> father b KY, mother b VA, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL, p. 723B. >> >> 1880 Mary V. Kincade, born born 1842, in KY, age 38, white, married, >> keeps house, father b KY, mother b VA, >> >> wife of O.G. Kincade, Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Maud Kincade, born 1866, in IL, age 14, white, single, daughter of >> O.G. Kincade, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Mary E. Kincade, born 1868, in IL, age 12, white, single, daughter >> of O.G. Kincade, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Sarah E. Kincade, born 1870, in IL, age 10, white, single, >> daughter >> of O.G. Kincade, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Pearl Kincade, born 1876, in IL, age 4, white, single, daughter of >> O.G. Kincade, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Olive Kincade, born 1878, in IL, age 2, white, single, daughter of >> O.G. Kincade, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201880%20Census/kincaids%20in%201880%20united%20states%20census%20ga-il.htm >> >> The 1880 census for Christian County, IL included Isabel >> Kincaid, >> widow and her daughters. The following records are from Norman's 1880 >> census website: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201880%20Census/kincaids%20in%201880%20united%20states%20census%20ga-il.htm >> >> 1880 Isabell Kinkead, born 1830, in IL, age 50, white, widowed, keeps >> house, father b KY, mother b KY, >> >> Assumption, Christian County, IL, p. 467C. >> >> 1880 Candas Kinkead, born 1860, in IL, age 20, white, single, school >> teacher, father b KY, mother b IL, >> >> daughter of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Emma L. Kinkead, born 1862, in IL, age 18, white, single, at home, >> father b KY, mother b IL, >> >> daughter of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Christopher C. Coonrod, born 1839, in IL, age 41, white, widowed, >> grocer, father b KY, mother b KY, >> >> brother of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. >> >> >> Barbara >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barbara Van Hout >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:34 PM >> To: Courtney Kahler ; kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Kincaids of Greene and Pike County, IL >> >> According to find-a-grave.com, the burial location of >> Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel is at the Greenwood Cemetery in >> Christian County, IL. >> >> Kinkead, Guy H 72268429 >> b. 1824 d. 1875 Greenwood Cemetery >> Assumption >> Christian County >> Illinois, USA >> >> Kinkead, Isabel 72268491 >> b. 1830 d. 1904 Greenwood Cemetery >> Assumption >> Christian County >> Illinois, USA >> >> >> Barbara >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Courtney Kahler >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:58 AM >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois >> >> It would be good to learn if this George and Polly had a relation to my >> great great great grandfather Guy. And he did state he was a blacksmith >> on >> one of the censuses. On another he said he was a merchant. So maybe he >> changed trades at some point. >> >> It was previously suggested there was a relation to a woman named Barbara >> Kincaid. And if she is his mother, then his father most likely died >> before >> 1850. Below is copied an old archived list email from Randy. >> >> On another note, I'm certain that Martha J "Punsley" as listed in the >> marriage record is actually Martha Jane Pursley. Martha Jane Pursley's >> sister Susan Pursley Cushing had a son named Samuel E Cushing, and he >> married Emma Lena Kinkead who was a daughter of Guy Kinkead (from his 2nd >> marriage with Isabel Lamb). Also Charles Richard Kinkead (son of Guy and >> Martha) married Leonora Bell Cushing who was a cousin to Samuel E Cushing. >> There's a few connections between the Kinkeads, Cushings, and Pursleys in >> that time frame, so they all must have been a close-knit group. >> >> >> Courtney Kahler >> >> www.chainedheartjewelry.com >> >> >> From: Randy Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com> >> Sent: 02/04/03 04:36 PM >> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Guy Kincaid: Christian Cty, KY >> >>> >>> This is a long shot but the following Illinois KINCAID/KINKEAD family >>> group >> may tie into this. I've kept track of them as they are in the same general >> area at the same time as my Kincaids, but I've never found an indication >> that they were related. To all appearances they are a different line. In >> many records, the following group is spelled KINKEAD; in some records >> KINCAID. >> >> Barbara Kincaid/Kinkead is in Greene Co., Illinois as early as 1834 when >> she purchases 80 acres with the Illinois record dated in March 1834 and a >> federal patent granted in 1835. On the land patent she is noted as >> "Barbara >> Kincaid of Greene Co., Illinois." >> >> KINCAID BARBARA FD W2SE 15 10N 10W 3 80.00 1.25 >> 100.00 FEMALE 03/12/1834 GREENE 343 136 >> >> >> In the 1850 federal census, Barbara is found in Macoupin County, unknown >> Townships as follows: >> >> Barbara KINKEAD 56 F b. Ohio >> Jackson KINKEAD 21 Farmer M b. Kentucky >> Archie KINKEAD 19 Farmer M b. Kentucky >> Levi KINKEAD 22 Farmer M b. Kentucky >> >> Also in the 1850 federal census can be found Guy H. Kinkead, known to be >> Barbara's son from other records. He is found in Greene County, Macoupin & >> Apple Creek Township. >> >> Guy H. KINKEAD 25 M Blacksmith b. Kentucky >> Martha J. KINKEAD 22 F b. Kentucky >> Richard KINKEAD 1 M b. Illinois >> Mary F. KINKEAD 18 F b. Kentucky (Guy's sister, Barbara's daughter?) >> >> The given name Guy seems to be relegated to only a couple of Kincaid lines >> so this may be a good clue. >> >> Randy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois (Barbara >> Van Hout) >> >> >> Are then any other known vitals for George that would help establish his >> age? What are the ages of the children in 1840? Can Polly be found in >> 1850? >> If some of the children were minors in 1844 then it would make sense for >> George to leave her the means of caring for them with the reliance that >> she >> would distribute the property among the children at her death. Then there >> is always the possibility that the children in the household were not >> George's children. >> >> Kim, it is always helpful to have a DNA participant from the line of an >> early Kincaid with unknown connections. Knowing who he is closely related >> to >> can help guide further research and expands our knowledge of the several >> Kincaid families. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara >> Van Hout) >> >> >>> I looked at Courtney's ancestor, Guy H. Kincaid, who is in the 1850 >>> Greene >>> County, IL census. His occupation was blacksmith, suggesting a >>> connection >>> to George Kincaid/Polly of Greene County. >>> Guy is shown as age 25, born in Kentucky, and his wife >>> Martha J was a. 22, also born in KY. >>> They had a son Richard, a. 1 born in Illinois, and living with them was >>> Mary >>> F. Kinkead a. 18, born in KY, possibly a sister of Guy. >>> >>> The 1830 and 1840 censuses for Greene County, IL show male and female >>> children in George's family, but his will names only his wife Polly to >>> inherit his land and possessions. If none of their children were >>> included >>> in George's will, would there have been any legal basis for the children >>> to >>> contest the will? >>> >>> All of the children would have been treated equally, i.e. left out of the >>> will. >>> >>> George Kincaid's 1844 will and estate details, two pages, are here: >>> >>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-31031-28?cc=1834344&wc=M9MT-BZW:n1299987272 >>> >>> Who was Jefferson Dixon? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kim Kincaid >>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:57 PM >>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara >>> Van Hout) >>> >>> >>> HI Barbara, >>> >>> I don't remember any blacksmith tools. Items sold to the Johnson's were >>> household items, bed, a stove, etc. I can stop back by, but I did not >>> make >>> copies. A lot of the notes against the estate where for farm items. >>> >>> If timing permits this year, on my trips through the area, I'll stop in >>> Pike, Greene & Adams counties in Illinois and Marion & Lewis counties in >>> Missouri to look for Kincaids. >>> >>> Any help with a research plan for families in the area would be helpful >>> to >>> me. I travel a lot and although my family came from this area, my >>> husband's >>> Kincaid's did not. >>> >>> Would it be helpful for DNA to find a descendant of Russell Kincaid? >>> >>> Kim >>> >>> Message: 1Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:12:47 -0400From: "Barbara Van Hout" >>> <dutchtreat@prodigy.net>Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike >>> County, IllinoisTo: <kincaid@rootsweb.com>Message-ID: >>> <CBB0857DAE93490D8BCB4C06EF7B99DA@INSPIRON560>Content-Type: text/plain; >>> format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=originalKim,Were the >>> blacksmith tools listed and sold, according to Archibald's estate >>> packet?A >>> blacksmith's job was a skilled trade and required years of training and >>> workas an apprentice to become qualified.The Colonial Blacksmith: The >>> Most >>> Important Man in the >>> Villagehttp://voices.yahoo.com/the-colonial-blacksmith-most-important-man-in-24579.htmlBarbara-----Original >>> Message----- From: Kim KincaidSent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:32 PMTo: >>> kincaid@rootsweb.comSubject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, >>> IllinoisRandall,I'll see if next time I can go to Greene County, IL and >>> find >>> the probatepacket for George Kincaid to see if they have more than the >>> books! >>> .KimMessage: 3> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:18:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00)> From: >>> Randall Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald >>> Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:>> >>> <25075520.1394306329374.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8>> Kim, this is good new >>> information. >>> I do need to again correct the> informationin Barbara's original post. In >>> George Kincaid's Greene County, Illinoiswill/probate record Archibald >>> Kincaid is NOT named as George's son. Therecorddoes specifically appoint >>> his >>> "wife, Polly" as executrix and it simplystatesthat the blacksmith tools >>> are >>> bequested to "Archibald Kincaid of PikeCounty,Illinois". It would be >>> wrong >>> to assign Archibald as George's son as it seemslikely that he is not. >>> Where >>> the will specifies the relationship to Polly,it isthe lack of a specified >>> relationship that makes it likely Archibald is notGeorge's son. It could >>> be >>> a nephew, a cousi! >>> n or other relationship or norelationship. The fact is that will does >>> not specify any childrenwhatsoever.>> This family group is likely to be >>> part >>> of the Andrew Kincaid/Martha> Townsleyfamily. >>> >>> >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:17:02 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Courtney Kahler <ckinkead@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL >> To: "kincaid@rootsweb.com" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <1396045022.95074.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> I've noticed on Ancestry that there are people who mistake this other Guy >> Kinkead with mine and tie him to the Kinkead/Dictum line.? Definitely not >> the same person.? Guy H's son Charles Richard was sometimes listed as >> Richard when he was younger. >> >> >> On another note entirely... Please remember the families and friends of >> the Oso Landslide victims.? I am one of those people.? If you have seen >> mention of Christina Jefferds and Sanoah Huestis mentioned... Sanoah was >> my new baby cousin.? Christina was an ex of my cousin and was still very >> close with our family.? They were both loved and it is a hard loss.? >> Sanoah isn't Kinkead ancestry as her family is my mom's side.? But they >> were part of this Kinkead's family.? The Oso community is very tiny, and >> my mother and her family lived in Darrington, which is also fairly small.? >> It is a tight-knit group and this is a huge loss for the community as a >> whole.? If any of you want to donate for the families of the victims, I >> recommend giving straight to the community itself.? This site was set up >> by the Oso Community Chapel. >> >> http://www.osomudsliderelief.org/ >> >> ? >> Courtney Kahler >> >> >> www.chainedheartjewelry.com >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> >> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:07 PM >> Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL >> >> >> I could not find Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel in the 1870 Federal >> Census for Illinois. Both of them are buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in >> Christian County, IL.? But their son Charles Kinkead was living in >> Christian >> County, IL according to the 1870 census. >> >> HH 34 >> W E Cushing 36 >> Susan Cushing 35 >> Irving Cushing 13 >> Horrace Cushing 12 >> Samuel Cushing 9 >> Chs Kinkade 20 >> Lucy Demott 21 >> >> KINKEAD, RICHARD R? CUSHING, LENORA B? 1873-04-16? 00B? 0066? 00003221 >> CHRISTIAN, IL >> Charles also went by the name of Richard? >> >> CUSHING, SAMUEL? KINKEAD, LENA? 1883-03-22? 00B? 0189? 00005599? >> CHRISTIAN, >> IL >> >> This is the Guy H Kincaid/Isabella family in the 1860 Federal Census for >> Greene County, IL: >> >> G H Kincaid? 37 >> Isabella Kincaid? 37 >> Charles Kincaid? 10 >> Candice Kincaid? 1 >> >> But I did find another, older age 67 Guy Kinkead in the 1870 Christian >> County, IL >> census in? the household of M L Young and his wife, who was a Kinkead.? >> This >> couple >> was married in 1854, according to IL marriage records. >> >> YOUNG, M L? KINKEAD, E L? 1854-10-01? 00A? 0070? 00000479? CHRISTIAN >> >> This is what Norman found for this older Guy Kinkead: >> >> 1870? ? Guy Kinkead, age 67, born KY, white, male, physician, Township 13, >> Range 2, Christian County, IL, p. 29, family 202. >> [In household of M.C. Young, age 44, born KY.] >> >> This Guy Kinkead appears to have been the son of Guy Kinkead, Sr. and >> Lovie >> Dictum of Christian County, KY.? The age works for him to have been their >> son. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to >> KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to >> KINCAID@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 64 >> ************************************** > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to KINCAID@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 67 > **************************************

    03/31/2014 01:29:24
    1. [KINCAID] Samuel Kinkade/Minerva Brunk
    2. Barbara Van Hout

    3. I am interested in how you descend from Samuel Kinkade/Minerva Brunk. I believe that Samuel was the son of William S. Kinkade/Sarah H Cain. Sarah was William's second wife and Sarah moved to Grayson County with her children after William died. William's first wife was Harriet Kermickle and they married in 1811 in Hardin County, KY. William S Kinkade was the oldest son of Robert Kinkade/Mary Bowman of Hardin County, KY. Robert served for 3 years in the American Revolution and filed for a pension in 1820. This includes Robert's will. Sadie Kinkead of St. Louis, who wrote the letter seeking information about Robert and his RW service, is a descendant of William S. Kinkade and Sarah of Grayson County. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kyphoenix2&id=I97 There is a lot more information about these families: Grayson & Hardin Co., Kentucky - Kinkade's & related families http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=kyphoenix2&surname=K We have a DNA sample from a descendant of Sarah H Kinkade's son James C Kinkade, which matches very closely to William/Harriet's older son W M S Kinkade who married Mary Margaret Upton in Hardin County. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/KINCAID/2011-10/1318603365 James C. Shelton Kinkade http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=281&GScid=2194569&GRid=44295378& Birth: 1836 Hardin County Kentucky, USA Death: Jan. 15, 1945 James C. Shelton Kinkade, the son of William S. Kinkade and Sarah Harriet Cain, was born in February 1836 in Hardin County, Kentucky. Burial: McGrew Cemetery Leitchfield Grayson County Kentucky, USA Created by: VirJean Potter Bozarth (... Record added: Nov 13, 2009 Find A Grave Memorial# 44295378 Grayson County, KY census, from Norman Kincaide's website: 1850 Samuel Kinkade, age 26, born KY, farmer, Grayson County, KY, household 130. 1850 Minerva Kinkade, age 23, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1850 Temperance J. Kinkade, age 4, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1850 Harriet M. Kinkade, age 2, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1850 Mary A. Kinkade, age 8 months, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1850 Sarah Kinkade, age 45, born KY, Grayson County, KY, household 264. 1850 Isabella Kinkade, age 16, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1850 Emeline Kinkade, age 16, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1850 James C. Kinkade, age 13, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1850 Abraham P. Kinkade, age 11, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1850 George W. Kinkade, age 9, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1850 Liggin Kinkade, age 7, male, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1850 Eliza Kinkade, age 5, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1860 Grayson County, KY 1860 Samuel Kinkade, age 36, born KY, farmer, Grayson County, KY, p. 383, image 383, family 236. 1860 Minerva Kinkade, age 34, born KY, housekeepking, Grayson County, KY. 1860 Temperance Kinkade, age 14, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1860 Harriet Kinkade, age 11, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1860 Martha Kinkade, age 8, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1860 William T. Kinkade, age 6, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1860 Frances J. Kinkade, age 4, born KY, female, Grayson County, KY. 1860 James B.C. Kinkade, age 2, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1860 Charles F. Kinkade, age 3 months, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1860 Sarah H. Kinkade, age 57, born KY, farm manager, Grayson County, KY, p. 523, image 523, family 1196. 1860 Abraham Kinkade, age 20, born KY, farm laborer, Grayson County, KY. 1860 George W. Kinkade, age 19, born KY, farm laborer, Grayson County, KY. 1860 Ligin W. Kinkade, age 17, born KY, farm laborer, Grayson County, KY. 1860 Eliza Kinkade, age 15, born KY, Grayson County, KY. 1860 Elizabeth Cain, age 48, born KY, Grayson County, KY. •Name: Louisa Kinkade •Surname: Kinkade •Given Name: Louisa •_AKA: Eliza •Sex: F •Birth: 22 Mar 1845 in Olna, IL 1 •Death: 22 Apr 1915 in Grayson Co., KY 2 1 •Burial: St. Mary's Cemetery, Grayson Co., KY 3 1 •_UID: A3C38201229F784B9C47A2845689EB75B5F5 •Note: Death Certificate Info: Luiza Pirtle Date of Birth: March 22 1845 Place: Olna, Illinois Date of Death: April 22 1915 Place: Grayson Co., KY. Age at death: 70 yrs 0 mos 30 dys. Cause of death: Softening of brain (thrombus of brain) Burial: April 23 in Petty Graveyard, Grayson Co. Name of Father: William S. Kinkade BP: Ireland Name of Mother: Sarah H. Cain BP: KY Informant: J.L. Pirtle of Big Clifty, KY. Olney, IL is in Richland county, IL. Several of Robert/Mary's children moved to the Richland County area, including Clay County, beginning about 1830. Grayson County, KY census 1870 1870 S.H. Kinkade, age 66, born KY, white, female, keeps house, Litchfield, Grayson County, KY, p. 42, family 307. [In household of J.T Pirtle, age 25, born KY.] 1870 J.C. Kingkade, age 34, born KY, white, male, farmer, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY, p. 4, family 22. 1870 Winnie A. Kingkade, age 25, born KY, white, female, keeps house, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. 1870 John F. Kingkade, age 5, born KY, white, male, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. 1870 Emmeline T. Kingkade, age 2, born KY, white, female, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. 1870 Joshua W. Kingkade, age 9 months, born KY, white, male, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. 1870 Samuel Kingkade, age 46, born KY, white, male, farmer, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY, p. 34, family 240. 1870 Menervia Kingkade, age 44, born KY, white, female, keeps house, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. 1870 Martha W. Kingkade, age 17, born KY, white, female, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. 1870 William T. Kingkade, age 16, born KY, white, male, farm laborer, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. 1870 Frances J. Kingkade, age 14, born KY, white, female, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. 1870 James B.C. Kingkade, age 12, born KY, white, male, farm laborer, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. 1870 Charles F. Kingkade, age 10, born KY, white, male, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. 1870 Sarah A. Kingkade, age 7, born KY, white, female, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. 1870 John S. Kingkade, age 3, born KY, white, male, Precinct 5, Grayson County, KY. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Luis Castillo Jr Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:24 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 64 I am looking for further info on the Rev War Patriot, William Kinkade and his descendants. Spelled first 'Kincaid' then 'Kinkead' and finally 'Kinkade" I know Guy Kinkade and Lovie Dictum are in this line. My Grandfather was Samuel Kinkade who lived and died in Grayson Co KY. and was married to Minerva Brunk. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Jean Sadler Stockton, CA > On Mar 29, 2014, at 12:00 AM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Kinkead families of Christian County, IL (Barbara Van Hout) > 2. Re: Kinkead families of Christian County, IL (Courtney Kahler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:07:57 -0400 > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL > To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <886E4F71DDBB467C9DAA40D4914B969F@INSPIRON560> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I could not find Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel in the 1870 Federal > Census for Illinois. Both of them are buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in > Christian County, IL. But their son Charles Kinkead was living in > Christian > County, IL according to the 1870 census. > > HH 34 > W E Cushing 36 > Susan Cushing 35 > Irving Cushing 13 > Horrace Cushing 12 > Samuel Cushing 9 > Chs Kinkade 20 > Lucy Demott 21 > > KINKEAD, RICHARD R CUSHING, LENORA B 1873-04-16 00B 0066 00003221 > CHRISTIAN, IL > Charles also went by the name of Richard? > > CUSHING, SAMUEL KINKEAD, LENA 1883-03-22 00B 0189 00005599 > CHRISTIAN, > IL > > This is the Guy H Kincaid/Isabella family in the 1860 Federal Census for > Greene County, IL: > > G H Kincaid 37 > Isabella Kincaid 37 > Charles Kincaid 10 > Candice Kincaid 1 > > But I did find another, older age 67 Guy Kinkead in the 1870 Christian > County, IL > census in the household of M L Young and his wife, who was a Kinkead. > This > couple > was married in 1854, according to IL marriage records. > > YOUNG, M L KINKEAD, E L 1854-10-01 00A 0070 00000479 CHRISTIAN > > This is what Norman found for this older Guy Kinkead: > > 1870 Guy Kinkead, age 67, born KY, white, male, physician, Township 13, > Range 2, Christian County, IL, p. 29, family 202. > [In household of M.C. Young, age 44, born KY.] > > This Guy Kinkead appears to have been the son of Guy Kinkead, Sr. and > Lovie > Dictum of Christian County, KY. The age works for him to have been their > son. > > In 1860, Guy Kinkead and his son Oliver G Kinkead were living together in > Trigg County, KY. Oliver's mother was Sarah Ann McReynolds, daughter of > Oliver McReynolds and Mary Elizabeth Steele, > according to family search records. Sarah was Guy Kinkead's second wife. > He was married first to Susan Allen in 1830. > > By 1880, the older Guy Kinkead's son Oliver G (Guy) Kinkead had moved to > Christian County, IL. > > Family search records: > O.G. Kinkead > marriage: 8 October 1863 Christian, Kentucky > spouse: Mary V. Wood > > > Christian County IL > > 1880 O.G. Kincade, born 1842, in KY, age 38, white, married, farmer, > father b KY, mother b VA, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL, p. 723B. > > 1880 Mary V. Kincade, born born 1842, in KY, age 38, white, married, > keeps house, father b KY, mother b VA, > > wife of O.G. Kincade, Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Maud Kincade, born 1866, in IL, age 14, white, single, daughter of > O.G. Kincade, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Mary E. Kincade, born 1868, in IL, age 12, white, single, daughter > of O.G. Kincade, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Sarah E. Kincade, born 1870, in IL, age 10, white, single, > daughter > of O.G. Kincade, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Pearl Kincade, born 1876, in IL, age 4, white, single, daughter of > O.G. Kincade, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Olive Kincade, born 1878, in IL, age 2, white, single, daughter of > O.G. Kincade, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201880%20Census/kincaids%20in%201880%20united%20states%20census%20ga-il.htm > > The 1880 census for Christian County, IL included Isabel > Kincaid, > widow and her daughters. The following records are from Norman's 1880 > census website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201880%20Census/kincaids%20in%201880%20united%20states%20census%20ga-il.htm > > 1880 Isabell Kinkead, born 1830, in IL, age 50, white, widowed, keeps > house, father b KY, mother b KY, > > Assumption, Christian County, IL, p. 467C. > > 1880 Candas Kinkead, born 1860, in IL, age 20, white, single, school > teacher, father b KY, mother b IL, > > daughter of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Emma L. Kinkead, born 1862, in IL, age 18, white, single, at home, > father b KY, mother b IL, > > daughter of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Christopher C. Coonrod, born 1839, in IL, age 41, white, widowed, > grocer, father b KY, mother b KY, > > brother of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. > > > Barbara > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Van Hout > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:34 PM > To: Courtney Kahler ; kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Kincaids of Greene and Pike County, IL > > According to find-a-grave.com, the burial location of > Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel is at the Greenwood Cemetery in > Christian County, IL. > > Kinkead, Guy H 72268429 > b. 1824 d. 1875 Greenwood Cemetery > Assumption > Christian County > Illinois, USA > > Kinkead, Isabel 72268491 > b. 1830 d. 1904 Greenwood Cemetery > Assumption > Christian County > Illinois, USA > > > Barbara > > -----Original Message----- > From: Courtney Kahler > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:58 AM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois > > It would be good to learn if this George and Polly had a relation to my > great great great grandfather Guy. And he did state he was a blacksmith > on > one of the censuses. On another he said he was a merchant. So maybe he > changed trades at some point. > > It was previously suggested there was a relation to a woman named Barbara > Kincaid. And if she is his mother, then his father most likely died > before > 1850. Below is copied an old archived list email from Randy. > > On another note, I'm certain that Martha J "Punsley" as listed in the > marriage record is actually Martha Jane Pursley. Martha Jane Pursley's > sister Susan Pursley Cushing had a son named Samuel E Cushing, and he > married Emma Lena Kinkead who was a daughter of Guy Kinkead (from his 2nd > marriage with Isabel Lamb). Also Charles Richard Kinkead (son of Guy and > Martha) married Leonora Bell Cushing who was a cousin to Samuel E Cushing. > There's a few connections between the Kinkeads, Cushings, and Pursleys in > that time frame, so they all must have been a close-knit group. > > > Courtney Kahler > > www.chainedheartjewelry.com > > > From: Randy Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com> > Sent: 02/04/03 04:36 PM > To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Guy Kincaid: Christian Cty, KY > >> >> This is a long shot but the following Illinois KINCAID/KINKEAD family >> group > may tie into this. I've kept track of them as they are in the same general > area at the same time as my Kincaids, but I've never found an indication > that they were related. To all appearances they are a different line. In > many records, the following group is spelled KINKEAD; in some records > KINCAID. > > Barbara Kincaid/Kinkead is in Greene Co., Illinois as early as 1834 when > she purchases 80 acres with the Illinois record dated in March 1834 and a > federal patent granted in 1835. On the land patent she is noted as > "Barbara > Kincaid of Greene Co., Illinois." > > KINCAID BARBARA FD W2SE 15 10N 10W 3 80.00 1.25 > 100.00 FEMALE 03/12/1834 GREENE 343 136 > > > In the 1850 federal census, Barbara is found in Macoupin County, unknown > Townships as follows: > > Barbara KINKEAD 56 F b. Ohio > Jackson KINKEAD 21 Farmer M b. Kentucky > Archie KINKEAD 19 Farmer M b. Kentucky > Levi KINKEAD 22 Farmer M b. Kentucky > > Also in the 1850 federal census can be found Guy H. Kinkead, known to be > Barbara's son from other records. He is found in Greene County, Macoupin & > Apple Creek Township. > > Guy H. KINKEAD 25 M Blacksmith b. Kentucky > Martha J. KINKEAD 22 F b. Kentucky > Richard KINKEAD 1 M b. Illinois > Mary F. KINKEAD 18 F b. Kentucky (Guy's sister, Barbara's daughter?) > > The given name Guy seems to be relegated to only a couple of Kincaid lines > so this may be a good clue. > > Randy > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:35 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois (Barbara > Van Hout) > > > Are then any other known vitals for George that would help establish his > age? What are the ages of the children in 1840? Can Polly be found in > 1850? > If some of the children were minors in 1844 then it would make sense for > George to leave her the means of caring for them with the reliance that > she > would distribute the property among the children at her death. Then there > is always the possibility that the children in the household were not > George's children. > > Kim, it is always helpful to have a DNA participant from the line of an > early Kincaid with unknown connections. Knowing who he is closely related > to > can help guide further research and expands our knowledge of the several > Kincaid families. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:01 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara > Van Hout) > > >> I looked at Courtney's ancestor, Guy H. Kincaid, who is in the 1850 >> Greene >> County, IL census. His occupation was blacksmith, suggesting a >> connection >> to George Kincaid/Polly of Greene County. >> Guy is shown as age 25, born in Kentucky, and his wife >> Martha J was a. 22, also born in KY. >> They had a son Richard, a. 1 born in Illinois, and living with them was >> Mary >> F. Kinkead a. 18, born in KY, possibly a sister of Guy. >> >> The 1830 and 1840 censuses for Greene County, IL show male and female >> children in George's family, but his will names only his wife Polly to >> inherit his land and possessions. If none of their children were >> included >> in George's will, would there have been any legal basis for the children >> to >> contest the will? >> >> All of the children would have been treated equally, i.e. left out of the >> will. >> >> George Kincaid's 1844 will and estate details, two pages, are here: >> >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-31031-28?cc=1834344&wc=M9MT-BZW:n1299987272 >> >> Who was Jefferson Dixon? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kim Kincaid >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:57 PM >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara >> Van Hout) >> >> >> HI Barbara, >> >> I don't remember any blacksmith tools. Items sold to the Johnson's were >> household items, bed, a stove, etc. I can stop back by, but I did not >> make >> copies. A lot of the notes against the estate where for farm items. >> >> If timing permits this year, on my trips through the area, I'll stop in >> Pike, Greene & Adams counties in Illinois and Marion & Lewis counties in >> Missouri to look for Kincaids. >> >> Any help with a research plan for families in the area would be helpful >> to >> me. I travel a lot and although my family came from this area, my >> husband's >> Kincaid's did not. >> >> Would it be helpful for DNA to find a descendant of Russell Kincaid? >> >> Kim >> >> Message: 1Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:12:47 -0400From: "Barbara Van Hout" >> <dutchtreat@prodigy.net>Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike >> County, IllinoisTo: <kincaid@rootsweb.com>Message-ID: >> <CBB0857DAE93490D8BCB4C06EF7B99DA@INSPIRON560>Content-Type: text/plain; >> format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=originalKim,Were the >> blacksmith tools listed and sold, according to Archibald's estate >> packet?A >> blacksmith's job was a skilled trade and required years of training and >> workas an apprentice to become qualified.The Colonial Blacksmith: The >> Most >> Important Man in the >> Villagehttp://voices.yahoo.com/the-colonial-blacksmith-most-important-man-in-24579.htmlBarbara-----Original >> Message----- From: Kim KincaidSent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:32 PMTo: >> kincaid@rootsweb.comSubject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, >> IllinoisRandall,I'll see if next time I can go to Greene County, IL and >> find >> the probatepacket for George Kincaid to see if they have more than the >> books! >> .KimMessage: 3> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:18:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00)> From: >> Randall Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald >> Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:>> >> <25075520.1394306329374.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8>> Kim, this is good new >> information. >> I do need to again correct the> informationin Barbara's original post. In >> George Kincaid's Greene County, Illinoiswill/probate record Archibald >> Kincaid is NOT named as George's son. Therecorddoes specifically appoint >> his >> "wife, Polly" as executrix and it simplystatesthat the blacksmith tools >> are >> bequested to "Archibald Kincaid of PikeCounty,Illinois". It would be >> wrong >> to assign Archibald as George's son as it seemslikely that he is not. >> Where >> the will specifies the relationship to Polly,it isthe lack of a specified >> relationship that makes it likely Archibald is notGeorge's son. It could >> be >> a nephew, a cousi! >> n or other relationship or norelationship. The fact is that will does >> not specify any childrenwhatsoever.>> This family group is likely to be >> part >> of the Andrew Kincaid/Martha> Townsleyfamily. >> >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:17:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: Courtney Kahler <ckinkead@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL > To: "kincaid@rootsweb.com" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1396045022.95074.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I've noticed on Ancestry that there are people who mistake this other Guy > Kinkead with mine and tie him to the Kinkead/Dictum line.? Definitely not > the same person.? Guy H's son Charles Richard was sometimes listed as > Richard when he was younger. > > > On another note entirely... Please remember the families and friends of > the Oso Landslide victims.? I am one of those people.? If you have seen > mention of Christina Jefferds and Sanoah Huestis mentioned... Sanoah was > my new baby cousin.? Christina was an ex of my cousin and was still very > close with our family.? They were both loved and it is a hard loss.? > Sanoah isn't Kinkead ancestry as her family is my mom's side.? But they > were part of this Kinkead's family.? The Oso community is very tiny, and > my mother and her family lived in Darrington, which is also fairly small.? > It is a tight-knit group and this is a huge loss for the community as a > whole.? If any of you want to donate for the families of the victims, I > recommend giving straight to the community itself.? This site was set up > by the Oso Community Chapel. > > http://www.osomudsliderelief.org/ > > ? > Courtney Kahler > > > www.chainedheartjewelry.com > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:07 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL > > > I could not find Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel in the 1870 Federal > Census for Illinois. Both of them are buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in > Christian County, IL.? But their son Charles Kinkead was living in > Christian > County, IL according to the 1870 census. > > HH 34 > W E Cushing 36 > Susan Cushing 35 > Irving Cushing 13 > Horrace Cushing 12 > Samuel Cushing 9 > Chs Kinkade 20 > Lucy Demott 21 > > KINKEAD, RICHARD R? CUSHING, LENORA B? 1873-04-16? 00B? 0066? 00003221 > CHRISTIAN, IL > Charles also went by the name of Richard? > > CUSHING, SAMUEL? KINKEAD, LENA? 1883-03-22? 00B? 0189? 00005599? > CHRISTIAN, > IL > > This is the Guy H Kincaid/Isabella family in the 1860 Federal Census for > Greene County, IL: > > G H Kincaid? 37 > Isabella Kincaid? 37 > Charles Kincaid? 10 > Candice Kincaid? 1 > > But I did find another, older age 67 Guy Kinkead in the 1870 Christian > County, IL > census in? the household of M L Young and his wife, who was a Kinkead.? > This > couple > was married in 1854, according to IL marriage records. > > YOUNG, M L? KINKEAD, E L? 1854-10-01? 00A? 0070? 00000479? CHRISTIAN > > This is what Norman found for this older Guy Kinkead: > > 1870? ? Guy Kinkead, age 67, born KY, white, male, physician, Township 13, > Range 2, Christian County, IL, p. 29, family 202. > [In household of M.C. Young, age 44, born KY.] > > This Guy Kinkead appears to have been the son of Guy Kinkead, Sr. and > Lovie > Dictum of Christian County, KY.? The age works for him to have been their > son. > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to > KINCAID@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 64 > ************************************** For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/31/2014 09:31:07
    1. Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 64
    2. Joyce Kinkead

    3. Do you mean the William Kinkead, who married Eleanor guy, and who is buried in Pisgah cemetery in Kentucky. I come from that line, too. There is quite a bit if info on them. She was an Indian Captive in 1764, rescued by the Colinel Boquette Expedition, which included her husband. Great stories! Joyce Joyce Kinkead, Professor Utah State University > On Mar 30, 2014, at 5:27 PM, "Luis Castillo Jr" <jeancsadler@me.com> wrote: > > I am looking for further info on the Rev War Patriot, William Kinkade and his descendants. Spelled first 'Kincaid' then 'Kinkead' and finally 'Kinkade" I know Guy Kinkade and Lovie Dictum are in this line. > My Grandfather was Samuel Kinkade who lived and died in Grayson Co KY. and was married to Minerva Brunk. > I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. > Jean Sadler > Stockton, CA > > > >> On Mar 29, 2014, at 12:00 AM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Kinkead families of Christian County, IL (Barbara Van Hout) >> 2. Re: Kinkead families of Christian County, IL (Courtney Kahler) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:07:57 -0400 >> From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> >> Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL >> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <886E4F71DDBB467C9DAA40D4914B969F@INSPIRON560> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> I could not find Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel in the 1870 Federal >> Census for Illinois. Both of them are buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in >> Christian County, IL. But their son Charles Kinkead was living in Christian >> County, IL according to the 1870 census. >> >> HH 34 >> W E Cushing 36 >> Susan Cushing 35 >> Irving Cushing 13 >> Horrace Cushing 12 >> Samuel Cushing 9 >> Chs Kinkade 20 >> Lucy Demott 21 >> >> KINKEAD, RICHARD R CUSHING, LENORA B 1873-04-16 00B 0066 00003221 >> CHRISTIAN, IL >> Charles also went by the name of Richard? >> >> CUSHING, SAMUEL KINKEAD, LENA 1883-03-22 00B 0189 00005599 CHRISTIAN, >> IL >> >> This is the Guy H Kincaid/Isabella family in the 1860 Federal Census for >> Greene County, IL: >> >> G H Kincaid 37 >> Isabella Kincaid 37 >> Charles Kincaid 10 >> Candice Kincaid 1 >> >> But I did find another, older age 67 Guy Kinkead in the 1870 Christian >> County, IL >> census in the household of M L Young and his wife, who was a Kinkead. This >> couple >> was married in 1854, according to IL marriage records. >> >> YOUNG, M L KINKEAD, E L 1854-10-01 00A 0070 00000479 CHRISTIAN >> >> This is what Norman found for this older Guy Kinkead: >> >> 1870 Guy Kinkead, age 67, born KY, white, male, physician, Township 13, >> Range 2, Christian County, IL, p. 29, family 202. >> [In household of M.C. Young, age 44, born KY.] >> >> This Guy Kinkead appears to have been the son of Guy Kinkead, Sr. and Lovie >> Dictum of Christian County, KY. The age works for him to have been their >> son. >> >> In 1860, Guy Kinkead and his son Oliver G Kinkead were living together in >> Trigg County, KY. Oliver's mother was Sarah Ann McReynolds, daughter of >> Oliver McReynolds and Mary Elizabeth Steele, >> according to family search records. Sarah was Guy Kinkead's second wife. >> He was married first to Susan Allen in 1830. >> >> By 1880, the older Guy Kinkead's son Oliver G (Guy) Kinkead had moved to >> Christian County, IL. >> >> Family search records: >> O.G. Kinkead >> marriage: 8 October 1863 Christian, Kentucky >> spouse: Mary V. Wood >> >> >> Christian County IL >> >> 1880 O.G. Kincade, born 1842, in KY, age 38, white, married, farmer, >> father b KY, mother b VA, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL, p. 723B. >> >> 1880 Mary V. Kincade, born born 1842, in KY, age 38, white, married, >> keeps house, father b KY, mother b VA, >> >> wife of O.G. Kincade, Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Maud Kincade, born 1866, in IL, age 14, white, single, daughter of >> O.G. Kincade, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Mary E. Kincade, born 1868, in IL, age 12, white, single, daughter >> of O.G. Kincade, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Sarah E. Kincade, born 1870, in IL, age 10, white, single, daughter >> of O.G. Kincade, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Pearl Kincade, born 1876, in IL, age 4, white, single, daughter of >> O.G. Kincade, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Olive Kincade, born 1878, in IL, age 2, white, single, daughter of >> O.G. Kincade, >> >> Taylorville, Christian County, IL. >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201880%20Census/kincaids%20in%201880%20united%20states%20census%20ga-il.htm >> >> The 1880 census for Christian County, IL included Isabel >> Kincaid, >> widow and her daughters. The following records are from Norman's 1880 >> census website: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201880%20Census/kincaids%20in%201880%20united%20states%20census%20ga-il.htm >> >> 1880 Isabell Kinkead, born 1830, in IL, age 50, white, widowed, keeps >> house, father b KY, mother b KY, >> >> Assumption, Christian County, IL, p. 467C. >> >> 1880 Candas Kinkead, born 1860, in IL, age 20, white, single, school >> teacher, father b KY, mother b IL, >> >> daughter of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Emma L. Kinkead, born 1862, in IL, age 18, white, single, at home, >> father b KY, mother b IL, >> >> daughter of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. >> >> 1880 Christopher C. Coonrod, born 1839, in IL, age 41, white, widowed, >> grocer, father b KY, mother b KY, >> >> brother of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. >> >> >> Barbara >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barbara Van Hout >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:34 PM >> To: Courtney Kahler ; kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Kincaids of Greene and Pike County, IL >> >> According to find-a-grave.com, the burial location of >> Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel is at the Greenwood Cemetery in >> Christian County, IL. >> >> Kinkead, Guy H 72268429 >> b. 1824 d. 1875 Greenwood Cemetery >> Assumption >> Christian County >> Illinois, USA >> >> Kinkead, Isabel 72268491 >> b. 1830 d. 1904 Greenwood Cemetery >> Assumption >> Christian County >> Illinois, USA >> >> >> Barbara >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Courtney Kahler >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:58 AM >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois >> >> It would be good to learn if this George and Polly had a relation to my >> great great great grandfather Guy. And he did state he was a blacksmith on >> one of the censuses. On another he said he was a merchant. So maybe he >> changed trades at some point. >> >> It was previously suggested there was a relation to a woman named Barbara >> Kincaid. And if she is his mother, then his father most likely died before >> 1850. Below is copied an old archived list email from Randy. >> >> On another note, I'm certain that Martha J "Punsley" as listed in the >> marriage record is actually Martha Jane Pursley. Martha Jane Pursley's >> sister Susan Pursley Cushing had a son named Samuel E Cushing, and he >> married Emma Lena Kinkead who was a daughter of Guy Kinkead (from his 2nd >> marriage with Isabel Lamb). Also Charles Richard Kinkead (son of Guy and >> Martha) married Leonora Bell Cushing who was a cousin to Samuel E Cushing. >> There's a few connections between the Kinkeads, Cushings, and Pursleys in >> that time frame, so they all must have been a close-knit group. >> >> >> Courtney Kahler >> >> www.chainedheartjewelry.com >> >> >> From: Randy Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com> >> Sent: 02/04/03 04:36 PM >> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Guy Kincaid: Christian Cty, KY >> >>> >>> This is a long shot but the following Illinois KINCAID/KINKEAD family >>> group >> may tie into this. I've kept track of them as they are in the same general >> area at the same time as my Kincaids, but I've never found an indication >> that they were related. To all appearances they are a different line. In >> many records, the following group is spelled KINKEAD; in some records >> KINCAID. >> >> Barbara Kincaid/Kinkead is in Greene Co., Illinois as early as 1834 when >> she purchases 80 acres with the Illinois record dated in March 1834 and a >> federal patent granted in 1835. On the land patent she is noted as "Barbara >> Kincaid of Greene Co., Illinois." >> >> KINCAID BARBARA FD W2SE 15 10N 10W 3 80.00 1.25 >> 100.00 FEMALE 03/12/1834 GREENE 343 136 >> >> >> In the 1850 federal census, Barbara is found in Macoupin County, unknown >> Townships as follows: >> >> Barbara KINKEAD 56 F b. Ohio >> Jackson KINKEAD 21 Farmer M b. Kentucky >> Archie KINKEAD 19 Farmer M b. Kentucky >> Levi KINKEAD 22 Farmer M b. Kentucky >> >> Also in the 1850 federal census can be found Guy H. Kinkead, known to be >> Barbara's son from other records. He is found in Greene County, Macoupin & >> Apple Creek Township. >> >> Guy H. KINKEAD 25 M Blacksmith b. Kentucky >> Martha J. KINKEAD 22 F b. Kentucky >> Richard KINKEAD 1 M b. Illinois >> Mary F. KINKEAD 18 F b. Kentucky (Guy's sister, Barbara's daughter?) >> >> The given name Guy seems to be relegated to only a couple of Kincaid lines >> so this may be a good clue. >> >> Randy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois (Barbara >> Van Hout) >> >> >> Are then any other known vitals for George that would help establish his >> age? What are the ages of the children in 1840? Can Polly be found in 1850? >> If some of the children were minors in 1844 then it would make sense for >> George to leave her the means of caring for them with the reliance that she >> would distribute the property among the children at her death. Then there >> is always the possibility that the children in the household were not >> George's children. >> >> Kim, it is always helpful to have a DNA participant from the line of an >> early Kincaid with unknown connections. Knowing who he is closely related to >> can help guide further research and expands our knowledge of the several >> Kincaid families. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara >> Van Hout) >> >> >>> I looked at Courtney's ancestor, Guy H. Kincaid, who is in the 1850 Greene >>> County, IL census. His occupation was blacksmith, suggesting a connection >>> to George Kincaid/Polly of Greene County. >>> Guy is shown as age 25, born in Kentucky, and his wife >>> Martha J was a. 22, also born in KY. >>> They had a son Richard, a. 1 born in Illinois, and living with them was >>> Mary >>> F. Kinkead a. 18, born in KY, possibly a sister of Guy. >>> >>> The 1830 and 1840 censuses for Greene County, IL show male and female >>> children in George's family, but his will names only his wife Polly to >>> inherit his land and possessions. If none of their children were included >>> in George's will, would there have been any legal basis for the children >>> to >>> contest the will? >>> >>> All of the children would have been treated equally, i.e. left out of the >>> will. >>> >>> George Kincaid's 1844 will and estate details, two pages, are here: >>> >>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-31031-28?cc=1834344&wc=M9MT-BZW:n1299987272 >>> >>> Who was Jefferson Dixon? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kim Kincaid >>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:57 PM >>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara >>> Van Hout) >>> >>> >>> HI Barbara, >>> >>> I don't remember any blacksmith tools. Items sold to the Johnson's were >>> household items, bed, a stove, etc. I can stop back by, but I did not >>> make >>> copies. A lot of the notes against the estate where for farm items. >>> >>> If timing permits this year, on my trips through the area, I'll stop in >>> Pike, Greene & Adams counties in Illinois and Marion & Lewis counties in >>> Missouri to look for Kincaids. >>> >>> Any help with a research plan for families in the area would be helpful to >>> me. I travel a lot and although my family came from this area, my >>> husband's >>> Kincaid's did not. >>> >>> Would it be helpful for DNA to find a descendant of Russell Kincaid? >>> >>> Kim >>> >>> Message: 1Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:12:47 -0400From: "Barbara Van Hout" >>> <dutchtreat@prodigy.net>Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike >>> County, IllinoisTo: <kincaid@rootsweb.com>Message-ID: >>> <CBB0857DAE93490D8BCB4C06EF7B99DA@INSPIRON560>Content-Type: text/plain; >>> format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=originalKim,Were the >>> blacksmith tools listed and sold, according to Archibald's estate packet?A >>> blacksmith's job was a skilled trade and required years of training and >>> workas an apprentice to become qualified.The Colonial Blacksmith: The Most >>> Important Man in the >>> Villagehttp://voices.yahoo.com/the-colonial-blacksmith-most-important-man-in-24579.htmlBarbara-----Original >>> Message----- From: Kim KincaidSent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:32 PMTo: >>> kincaid@rootsweb.comSubject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, >>> IllinoisRandall,I'll see if next time I can go to Greene County, IL and >>> find >>> the probatepacket for George Kincaid to see if they have more than the >>> books! >>> .KimMessage: 3> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:18:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00)> From: >>> Randall Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald >>> Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:>> >>> <25075520.1394306329374.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8>> Kim, this is good new >>> information. >>> I do need to again correct the> informationin Barbara's original post. In >>> George Kincaid's Greene County, Illinoiswill/probate record Archibald >>> Kincaid is NOT named as George's son. Therecorddoes specifically appoint >>> his >>> "wife, Polly" as executrix and it simplystatesthat the blacksmith tools >>> are >>> bequested to "Archibald Kincaid of PikeCounty,Illinois". It would be wrong >>> to assign Archibald as George's son as it seemslikely that he is not. >>> Where >>> the will specifies the relationship to Polly,it isthe lack of a specified >>> relationship that makes it likely Archibald is notGeorge's son. It could >>> be >>> a nephew, a cousi! >>> n or other relationship or norelationship. The fact is that will does >>> not specify any childrenwhatsoever.>> This family group is likely to be >>> part >>> of the Andrew Kincaid/Martha> Townsleyfamily. >>> >>> >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:17:02 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Courtney Kahler <ckinkead@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL >> To: "kincaid@rootsweb.com" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <1396045022.95074.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> I've noticed on Ancestry that there are people who mistake this other Guy Kinkead with mine and tie him to the Kinkead/Dictum line.? Definitely not the same person.? Guy H's son Charles Richard was sometimes listed as Richard when he was younger. >> >> >> On another note entirely... Please remember the families and friends of the Oso Landslide victims.? I am one of those people.? If you have seen mention of Christina Jefferds and Sanoah Huestis mentioned... Sanoah was my new baby cousin.? Christina was an ex of my cousin and was still very close with our family.? They were both loved and it is a hard loss.? Sanoah isn't Kinkead ancestry as her family is my mom's side.? But they were part of this Kinkead's family.? The Oso community is very tiny, and my mother and her family lived in Darrington, which is also fairly small.? It is a tight-knit group and this is a huge loss for the community as a whole.? If any of you want to donate for the families of the victims, I recommend giving straight to the community itself.? This site was set up by the Oso Community Chapel. >> >> http://www.osomudsliderelief.org/ >> >> ? >> Courtney Kahler >> >> >> www.chainedheartjewelry.com >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> >> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:07 PM >> Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL >> >> >> I could not find Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel in the 1870 Federal >> Census for Illinois. Both of them are buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in >> Christian County, IL.? But their son Charles Kinkead was living in Christian >> County, IL according to the 1870 census. >> >> HH 34 >> W E Cushing 36 >> Susan Cushing 35 >> Irving Cushing 13 >> Horrace Cushing 12 >> Samuel Cushing 9 >> Chs Kinkade 20 >> Lucy Demott 21 >> >> KINKEAD, RICHARD R? CUSHING, LENORA B? 1873-04-16? 00B? 0066? 00003221 >> CHRISTIAN, IL >> Charles also went by the name of Richard? >> >> CUSHING, SAMUEL? KINKEAD, LENA? 1883-03-22? 00B? 0189? 00005599? CHRISTIAN, >> IL >> >> This is the Guy H Kincaid/Isabella family in the 1860 Federal Census for >> Greene County, IL: >> >> G H Kincaid? 37 >> Isabella Kincaid? 37 >> Charles Kincaid? 10 >> Candice Kincaid? 1 >> >> But I did find another, older age 67 Guy Kinkead in the 1870 Christian >> County, IL >> census in? the household of M L Young and his wife, who was a Kinkead.? This >> couple >> was married in 1854, according to IL marriage records. >> >> YOUNG, M L? KINKEAD, E L? 1854-10-01? 00A? 0070? 00000479? CHRISTIAN >> >> This is what Norman found for this older Guy Kinkead: >> >> 1870? ? Guy Kinkead, age 67, born KY, white, male, physician, Township 13, >> Range 2, Christian County, IL, p. 29, family 202. >> [In household of M.C. Young, age 44, born KY.] >> >> This Guy Kinkead appears to have been the son of Guy Kinkead, Sr. and Lovie >> Dictum of Christian County, KY.? The age works for him to have been their >> son. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to >> KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to KINCAID@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 64 >> ************************************** > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/30/2014 06:38:32
    1. Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 64
    2. Luis Castillo Jr

    3. I am looking for further info on the Rev War Patriot, William Kinkade and his descendants. Spelled first 'Kincaid' then 'Kinkead' and finally 'Kinkade" I know Guy Kinkade and Lovie Dictum are in this line. My Grandfather was Samuel Kinkade who lived and died in Grayson Co KY. and was married to Minerva Brunk. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Jean Sadler Stockton, CA > On Mar 29, 2014, at 12:00 AM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Kinkead families of Christian County, IL (Barbara Van Hout) > 2. Re: Kinkead families of Christian County, IL (Courtney Kahler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:07:57 -0400 > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL > To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <886E4F71DDBB467C9DAA40D4914B969F@INSPIRON560> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I could not find Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel in the 1870 Federal > Census for Illinois. Both of them are buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in > Christian County, IL. But their son Charles Kinkead was living in Christian > County, IL according to the 1870 census. > > HH 34 > W E Cushing 36 > Susan Cushing 35 > Irving Cushing 13 > Horrace Cushing 12 > Samuel Cushing 9 > Chs Kinkade 20 > Lucy Demott 21 > > KINKEAD, RICHARD R CUSHING, LENORA B 1873-04-16 00B 0066 00003221 > CHRISTIAN, IL > Charles also went by the name of Richard? > > CUSHING, SAMUEL KINKEAD, LENA 1883-03-22 00B 0189 00005599 CHRISTIAN, > IL > > This is the Guy H Kincaid/Isabella family in the 1860 Federal Census for > Greene County, IL: > > G H Kincaid 37 > Isabella Kincaid 37 > Charles Kincaid 10 > Candice Kincaid 1 > > But I did find another, older age 67 Guy Kinkead in the 1870 Christian > County, IL > census in the household of M L Young and his wife, who was a Kinkead. This > couple > was married in 1854, according to IL marriage records. > > YOUNG, M L KINKEAD, E L 1854-10-01 00A 0070 00000479 CHRISTIAN > > This is what Norman found for this older Guy Kinkead: > > 1870 Guy Kinkead, age 67, born KY, white, male, physician, Township 13, > Range 2, Christian County, IL, p. 29, family 202. > [In household of M.C. Young, age 44, born KY.] > > This Guy Kinkead appears to have been the son of Guy Kinkead, Sr. and Lovie > Dictum of Christian County, KY. The age works for him to have been their > son. > > In 1860, Guy Kinkead and his son Oliver G Kinkead were living together in > Trigg County, KY. Oliver's mother was Sarah Ann McReynolds, daughter of > Oliver McReynolds and Mary Elizabeth Steele, > according to family search records. Sarah was Guy Kinkead's second wife. > He was married first to Susan Allen in 1830. > > By 1880, the older Guy Kinkead's son Oliver G (Guy) Kinkead had moved to > Christian County, IL. > > Family search records: > O.G. Kinkead > marriage: 8 October 1863 Christian, Kentucky > spouse: Mary V. Wood > > > Christian County IL > > 1880 O.G. Kincade, born 1842, in KY, age 38, white, married, farmer, > father b KY, mother b VA, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL, p. 723B. > > 1880 Mary V. Kincade, born born 1842, in KY, age 38, white, married, > keeps house, father b KY, mother b VA, > > wife of O.G. Kincade, Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Maud Kincade, born 1866, in IL, age 14, white, single, daughter of > O.G. Kincade, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Mary E. Kincade, born 1868, in IL, age 12, white, single, daughter > of O.G. Kincade, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Sarah E. Kincade, born 1870, in IL, age 10, white, single, daughter > of O.G. Kincade, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Pearl Kincade, born 1876, in IL, age 4, white, single, daughter of > O.G. Kincade, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Olive Kincade, born 1878, in IL, age 2, white, single, daughter of > O.G. Kincade, > > Taylorville, Christian County, IL. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201880%20Census/kincaids%20in%201880%20united%20states%20census%20ga-il.htm > > The 1880 census for Christian County, IL included Isabel > Kincaid, > widow and her daughters. The following records are from Norman's 1880 > census website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201880%20Census/kincaids%20in%201880%20united%20states%20census%20ga-il.htm > > 1880 Isabell Kinkead, born 1830, in IL, age 50, white, widowed, keeps > house, father b KY, mother b KY, > > Assumption, Christian County, IL, p. 467C. > > 1880 Candas Kinkead, born 1860, in IL, age 20, white, single, school > teacher, father b KY, mother b IL, > > daughter of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Emma L. Kinkead, born 1862, in IL, age 18, white, single, at home, > father b KY, mother b IL, > > daughter of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. > > 1880 Christopher C. Coonrod, born 1839, in IL, age 41, white, widowed, > grocer, father b KY, mother b KY, > > brother of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. > > > Barbara > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Van Hout > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:34 PM > To: Courtney Kahler ; kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Kincaids of Greene and Pike County, IL > > According to find-a-grave.com, the burial location of > Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel is at the Greenwood Cemetery in > Christian County, IL. > > Kinkead, Guy H 72268429 > b. 1824 d. 1875 Greenwood Cemetery > Assumption > Christian County > Illinois, USA > > Kinkead, Isabel 72268491 > b. 1830 d. 1904 Greenwood Cemetery > Assumption > Christian County > Illinois, USA > > > Barbara > > -----Original Message----- > From: Courtney Kahler > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:58 AM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois > > It would be good to learn if this George and Polly had a relation to my > great great great grandfather Guy. And he did state he was a blacksmith on > one of the censuses. On another he said he was a merchant. So maybe he > changed trades at some point. > > It was previously suggested there was a relation to a woman named Barbara > Kincaid. And if she is his mother, then his father most likely died before > 1850. Below is copied an old archived list email from Randy. > > On another note, I'm certain that Martha J "Punsley" as listed in the > marriage record is actually Martha Jane Pursley. Martha Jane Pursley's > sister Susan Pursley Cushing had a son named Samuel E Cushing, and he > married Emma Lena Kinkead who was a daughter of Guy Kinkead (from his 2nd > marriage with Isabel Lamb). Also Charles Richard Kinkead (son of Guy and > Martha) married Leonora Bell Cushing who was a cousin to Samuel E Cushing. > There's a few connections between the Kinkeads, Cushings, and Pursleys in > that time frame, so they all must have been a close-knit group. > > > Courtney Kahler > > www.chainedheartjewelry.com > > > From: Randy Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com> > Sent: 02/04/03 04:36 PM > To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Guy Kincaid: Christian Cty, KY > >> >> This is a long shot but the following Illinois KINCAID/KINKEAD family >> group > may tie into this. I've kept track of them as they are in the same general > area at the same time as my Kincaids, but I've never found an indication > that they were related. To all appearances they are a different line. In > many records, the following group is spelled KINKEAD; in some records > KINCAID. > > Barbara Kincaid/Kinkead is in Greene Co., Illinois as early as 1834 when > she purchases 80 acres with the Illinois record dated in March 1834 and a > federal patent granted in 1835. On the land patent she is noted as "Barbara > Kincaid of Greene Co., Illinois." > > KINCAID BARBARA FD W2SE 15 10N 10W 3 80.00 1.25 > 100.00 FEMALE 03/12/1834 GREENE 343 136 > > > In the 1850 federal census, Barbara is found in Macoupin County, unknown > Townships as follows: > > Barbara KINKEAD 56 F b. Ohio > Jackson KINKEAD 21 Farmer M b. Kentucky > Archie KINKEAD 19 Farmer M b. Kentucky > Levi KINKEAD 22 Farmer M b. Kentucky > > Also in the 1850 federal census can be found Guy H. Kinkead, known to be > Barbara's son from other records. He is found in Greene County, Macoupin & > Apple Creek Township. > > Guy H. KINKEAD 25 M Blacksmith b. Kentucky > Martha J. KINKEAD 22 F b. Kentucky > Richard KINKEAD 1 M b. Illinois > Mary F. KINKEAD 18 F b. Kentucky (Guy's sister, Barbara's daughter?) > > The given name Guy seems to be relegated to only a couple of Kincaid lines > so this may be a good clue. > > Randy > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:35 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois (Barbara > Van Hout) > > > Are then any other known vitals for George that would help establish his > age? What are the ages of the children in 1840? Can Polly be found in 1850? > If some of the children were minors in 1844 then it would make sense for > George to leave her the means of caring for them with the reliance that she > would distribute the property among the children at her death. Then there > is always the possibility that the children in the household were not > George's children. > > Kim, it is always helpful to have a DNA participant from the line of an > early Kincaid with unknown connections. Knowing who he is closely related to > can help guide further research and expands our knowledge of the several > Kincaid families. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:01 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara > Van Hout) > > >> I looked at Courtney's ancestor, Guy H. Kincaid, who is in the 1850 Greene >> County, IL census. His occupation was blacksmith, suggesting a connection >> to George Kincaid/Polly of Greene County. >> Guy is shown as age 25, born in Kentucky, and his wife >> Martha J was a. 22, also born in KY. >> They had a son Richard, a. 1 born in Illinois, and living with them was >> Mary >> F. Kinkead a. 18, born in KY, possibly a sister of Guy. >> >> The 1830 and 1840 censuses for Greene County, IL show male and female >> children in George's family, but his will names only his wife Polly to >> inherit his land and possessions. If none of their children were included >> in George's will, would there have been any legal basis for the children >> to >> contest the will? >> >> All of the children would have been treated equally, i.e. left out of the >> will. >> >> George Kincaid's 1844 will and estate details, two pages, are here: >> >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-31031-28?cc=1834344&wc=M9MT-BZW:n1299987272 >> >> Who was Jefferson Dixon? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kim Kincaid >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:57 PM >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara >> Van Hout) >> >> >> HI Barbara, >> >> I don't remember any blacksmith tools. Items sold to the Johnson's were >> household items, bed, a stove, etc. I can stop back by, but I did not >> make >> copies. A lot of the notes against the estate where for farm items. >> >> If timing permits this year, on my trips through the area, I'll stop in >> Pike, Greene & Adams counties in Illinois and Marion & Lewis counties in >> Missouri to look for Kincaids. >> >> Any help with a research plan for families in the area would be helpful to >> me. I travel a lot and although my family came from this area, my >> husband's >> Kincaid's did not. >> >> Would it be helpful for DNA to find a descendant of Russell Kincaid? >> >> Kim >> >> Message: 1Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:12:47 -0400From: "Barbara Van Hout" >> <dutchtreat@prodigy.net>Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike >> County, IllinoisTo: <kincaid@rootsweb.com>Message-ID: >> <CBB0857DAE93490D8BCB4C06EF7B99DA@INSPIRON560>Content-Type: text/plain; >> format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=originalKim,Were the >> blacksmith tools listed and sold, according to Archibald's estate packet?A >> blacksmith's job was a skilled trade and required years of training and >> workas an apprentice to become qualified.The Colonial Blacksmith: The Most >> Important Man in the >> Villagehttp://voices.yahoo.com/the-colonial-blacksmith-most-important-man-in-24579.htmlBarbara-----Original >> Message----- From: Kim KincaidSent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:32 PMTo: >> kincaid@rootsweb.comSubject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, >> IllinoisRandall,I'll see if next time I can go to Greene County, IL and >> find >> the probatepacket for George Kincaid to see if they have more than the >> books! >> .KimMessage: 3> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:18:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00)> From: >> Randall Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald >> Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:>> >> <25075520.1394306329374.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8>> Kim, this is good new >> information. >> I do need to again correct the> informationin Barbara's original post. In >> George Kincaid's Greene County, Illinoiswill/probate record Archibald >> Kincaid is NOT named as George's son. Therecorddoes specifically appoint >> his >> "wife, Polly" as executrix and it simplystatesthat the blacksmith tools >> are >> bequested to "Archibald Kincaid of PikeCounty,Illinois". It would be wrong >> to assign Archibald as George's son as it seemslikely that he is not. >> Where >> the will specifies the relationship to Polly,it isthe lack of a specified >> relationship that makes it likely Archibald is notGeorge's son. It could >> be >> a nephew, a cousi! >> n or other relationship or norelationship. The fact is that will does >> not specify any childrenwhatsoever.>> This family group is likely to be >> part >> of the Andrew Kincaid/Martha> Townsleyfamily. >> >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:17:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: Courtney Kahler <ckinkead@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL > To: "kincaid@rootsweb.com" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1396045022.95074.YahooMailNeo@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I've noticed on Ancestry that there are people who mistake this other Guy Kinkead with mine and tie him to the Kinkead/Dictum line.? Definitely not the same person.? Guy H's son Charles Richard was sometimes listed as Richard when he was younger. > > > On another note entirely... Please remember the families and friends of the Oso Landslide victims.? I am one of those people.? If you have seen mention of Christina Jefferds and Sanoah Huestis mentioned... Sanoah was my new baby cousin.? Christina was an ex of my cousin and was still very close with our family.? They were both loved and it is a hard loss.? Sanoah isn't Kinkead ancestry as her family is my mom's side.? But they were part of this Kinkead's family.? The Oso community is very tiny, and my mother and her family lived in Darrington, which is also fairly small.? It is a tight-knit group and this is a huge loss for the community as a whole.? If any of you want to donate for the families of the victims, I recommend giving straight to the community itself.? This site was set up by the Oso Community Chapel. > > http://www.osomudsliderelief.org/ > > ? > Courtney Kahler > > > www.chainedheartjewelry.com > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:07 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL > > > I could not find Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel in the 1870 Federal > Census for Illinois. Both of them are buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in > Christian County, IL.? But their son Charles Kinkead was living in Christian > County, IL according to the 1870 census. > > HH 34 > W E Cushing 36 > Susan Cushing 35 > Irving Cushing 13 > Horrace Cushing 12 > Samuel Cushing 9 > Chs Kinkade 20 > Lucy Demott 21 > > KINKEAD, RICHARD R? CUSHING, LENORA B? 1873-04-16? 00B? 0066? 00003221 > CHRISTIAN, IL > Charles also went by the name of Richard? > > CUSHING, SAMUEL? KINKEAD, LENA? 1883-03-22? 00B? 0189? 00005599? CHRISTIAN, > IL > > This is the Guy H Kincaid/Isabella family in the 1860 Federal Census for > Greene County, IL: > > G H Kincaid? 37 > Isabella Kincaid? 37 > Charles Kincaid? 10 > Candice Kincaid? 1 > > But I did find another, older age 67 Guy Kinkead in the 1870 Christian > County, IL > census in? the household of M L Young and his wife, who was a Kinkead.? This > couple > was married in 1854, according to IL marriage records. > > YOUNG, M L? KINKEAD, E L? 1854-10-01? 00A? 0070? 00000479? CHRISTIAN > > This is what Norman found for this older Guy Kinkead: > > 1870? ? Guy Kinkead, age 67, born KY, white, male, physician, Township 13, > Range 2, Christian County, IL, p. 29, family 202. > [In household of M.C. Young, age 44, born KY.] > > This Guy Kinkead appears to have been the son of Guy Kinkead, Sr. and Lovie > Dictum of Christian County, KY.? The age works for him to have been their > son. > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to KINCAID@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 64 > **************************************

    03/30/2014 10:24:39
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL
    2. Barbara Van Hout

    3. Yes, that is a terrible tragedy, for the victims and their family and community! My sympathy goes to all of your family. This link shows an interview with Christina Jefferds' daughter Natasha and also has a picture of baby Sanoah. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/deadly-mudslide/lives-lost-eight-victims-identified-washington-mudslide-n66341 Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Courtney Kahler Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:17 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL I've noticed on Ancestry that there are people who mistake this other Guy Kinkead with mine and tie him to the Kinkead/Dictum line. Definitely not the same person. Guy H's son Charles Richard was sometimes listed as Richard when he was younger. On another note entirely... Please remember the families and friends of the Oso Landslide victims. I am one of those people. If you have seen mention of Christina Jefferds and Sanoah Huestis mentioned... Sanoah was my new baby cousin. Christina was an ex of my cousin and was still very close with our family. They were both loved and it is a hard loss. Sanoah isn't Kinkead ancestry as her family is my mom's side. But they were part of this Kinkead's family. The Oso community is very tiny, and my mother and her family lived in Darrington, which is also fairly small. It is a tight-knit group and this is a huge loss for the community as a whole. If any of you want to donate for the families of the victims, I recommend giving straight to the community itself. This site was set up by the Oso Community Chapel. http://www.osomudsliderelief.org/ Courtney Kahler www.chainedheartjewelry.com ________________________________ From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL I could not find Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel in the 1870 Federal Census for Illinois. Both of them are buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in Christian County, IL. But their son Charles Kinkead was living in Christian County, IL according to the 1870 census. HH 34 W E Cushing 36 Susan Cushing 35 Irving Cushing 13 Horrace Cushing 12 Samuel Cushing 9 Chs Kinkade 20 Lucy Demott 21 KINKEAD, RICHARD R CUSHING, LENORA B 1873-04-16 00B 0066 00003221 CHRISTIAN, IL Charles also went by the name of Richard? CUSHING, SAMUEL KINKEAD, LENA 1883-03-22 00B 0189 00005599 CHRISTIAN, IL This is the Guy H Kincaid/Isabella family in the 1860 Federal Census for Greene County, IL: G H Kincaid 37 Isabella Kincaid 37 Charles Kincaid 10 Candice Kincaid 1 But I did find another, older age 67 Guy Kinkead in the 1870 Christian County, IL census in the household of M L Young and his wife, who was a Kinkead. This couple was married in 1854, according to IL marriage records. YOUNG, M L KINKEAD, E L 1854-10-01 00A 0070 00000479 CHRISTIAN This is what Norman found for this older Guy Kinkead: 1870 Guy Kinkead, age 67, born KY, white, male, physician, Township 13, Range 2, Christian County, IL, p. 29, family 202. [In household of M.C. Young, age 44, born KY.] This Guy Kinkead appears to have been the son of Guy Kinkead, Sr. and Lovie Dictum of Christian County, KY. The age works for him to have been their son. For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/29/2014 02:13:13
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL
    2. Courtney Kahler

    3. I've noticed on Ancestry that there are people who mistake this other Guy Kinkead with mine and tie him to the Kinkead/Dictum line.  Definitely not the same person.  Guy H's son Charles Richard was sometimes listed as Richard when he was younger. On another note entirely... Please remember the families and friends of the Oso Landslide victims.  I am one of those people.  If you have seen mention of Christina Jefferds and Sanoah Huestis mentioned... Sanoah was my new baby cousin.  Christina was an ex of my cousin and was still very close with our family.  They were both loved and it is a hard loss.  Sanoah isn't Kinkead ancestry as her family is my mom's side.  But they were part of this Kinkead's family.  The Oso community is very tiny, and my mother and her family lived in Darrington, which is also fairly small.  It is a tight-knit group and this is a huge loss for the community as a whole.  If any of you want to donate for the families of the victims, I recommend giving straight to the community itself.  This site was set up by the Oso Community Chapel. http://www.osomudsliderelief.org/   Courtney Kahler www.chainedheartjewelry.com ________________________________ From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL I could not find Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel in the 1870 Federal Census for Illinois. Both of them are buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in Christian County, IL.  But their son Charles Kinkead was living in Christian County, IL according to the 1870 census. HH 34 W E Cushing 36 Susan Cushing 35 Irving Cushing 13 Horrace Cushing 12 Samuel Cushing 9 Chs Kinkade 20 Lucy Demott 21 KINKEAD, RICHARD R  CUSHING, LENORA B  1873-04-16  00B  0066  00003221 CHRISTIAN, IL Charles also went by the name of Richard? CUSHING, SAMUEL  KINKEAD, LENA  1883-03-22  00B  0189  00005599  CHRISTIAN, IL This is the Guy H Kincaid/Isabella family in the 1860 Federal Census for Greene County, IL: G H Kincaid  37 Isabella Kincaid  37 Charles Kincaid  10 Candice Kincaid  1 But I did find another, older age 67 Guy Kinkead in the 1870 Christian County, IL census in  the household of M L Young and his wife, who was a Kinkead.  This couple was married in 1854, according to IL marriage records. YOUNG, M L  KINKEAD, E L  1854-10-01  00A  0070  00000479  CHRISTIAN This is what Norman found for this older Guy Kinkead: 1870    Guy Kinkead, age 67, born KY, white, male, physician, Township 13, Range 2, Christian County, IL, p. 29, family 202. [In household of M.C. Young, age 44, born KY.] This Guy Kinkead appears to have been the son of Guy Kinkead, Sr. and Lovie Dictum of Christian County, KY.  The age works for him to have been their son.

    03/28/2014 09:17:02
    1. [KINCAID] Kinkead families of Christian County, IL
    2. Barbara Van Hout

    3. I could not find Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel in the 1870 Federal Census for Illinois. Both of them are buried at the Greenwood Cemetery in Christian County, IL. But their son Charles Kinkead was living in Christian County, IL according to the 1870 census. HH 34 W E Cushing 36 Susan Cushing 35 Irving Cushing 13 Horrace Cushing 12 Samuel Cushing 9 Chs Kinkade 20 Lucy Demott 21 KINKEAD, RICHARD R CUSHING, LENORA B 1873-04-16 00B 0066 00003221 CHRISTIAN, IL Charles also went by the name of Richard? CUSHING, SAMUEL KINKEAD, LENA 1883-03-22 00B 0189 00005599 CHRISTIAN, IL This is the Guy H Kincaid/Isabella family in the 1860 Federal Census for Greene County, IL: G H Kincaid 37 Isabella Kincaid 37 Charles Kincaid 10 Candice Kincaid 1 But I did find another, older age 67 Guy Kinkead in the 1870 Christian County, IL census in the household of M L Young and his wife, who was a Kinkead. This couple was married in 1854, according to IL marriage records. YOUNG, M L KINKEAD, E L 1854-10-01 00A 0070 00000479 CHRISTIAN This is what Norman found for this older Guy Kinkead: 1870 Guy Kinkead, age 67, born KY, white, male, physician, Township 13, Range 2, Christian County, IL, p. 29, family 202. [In household of M.C. Young, age 44, born KY.] This Guy Kinkead appears to have been the son of Guy Kinkead, Sr. and Lovie Dictum of Christian County, KY. The age works for him to have been their son. In 1860, Guy Kinkead and his son Oliver G Kinkead were living together in Trigg County, KY. Oliver's mother was Sarah Ann McReynolds, daughter of Oliver McReynolds and Mary Elizabeth Steele, according to family search records. Sarah was Guy Kinkead's second wife. He was married first to Susan Allen in 1830. By 1880, the older Guy Kinkead's son Oliver G (Guy) Kinkead had moved to Christian County, IL. Family search records: O.G. Kinkead marriage: 8 October 1863 Christian, Kentucky spouse: Mary V. Wood Christian County IL 1880 O.G. Kincade, born 1842, in KY, age 38, white, married, farmer, father b KY, mother b VA, Taylorville, Christian County, IL, p. 723B. 1880 Mary V. Kincade, born born 1842, in KY, age 38, white, married, keeps house, father b KY, mother b VA, wife of O.G. Kincade, Taylorville, Christian County, IL. 1880 Maud Kincade, born 1866, in IL, age 14, white, single, daughter of O.G. Kincade, Taylorville, Christian County, IL. 1880 Mary E. Kincade, born 1868, in IL, age 12, white, single, daughter of O.G. Kincade, Taylorville, Christian County, IL. 1880 Sarah E. Kincade, born 1870, in IL, age 10, white, single, daughter of O.G. Kincade, Taylorville, Christian County, IL. 1880 Pearl Kincade, born 1876, in IL, age 4, white, single, daughter of O.G. Kincade, Taylorville, Christian County, IL. 1880 Olive Kincade, born 1878, in IL, age 2, white, single, daughter of O.G. Kincade, Taylorville, Christian County, IL. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201880%20Census/kincaids%20in%201880%20united%20states%20census%20ga-il.htm The 1880 census for Christian County, IL included Isabel Kincaid, widow and her daughters. The following records are from Norman's 1880 census website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201880%20Census/kincaids%20in%201880%20united%20states%20census%20ga-il.htm 1880 Isabell Kinkead, born 1830, in IL, age 50, white, widowed, keeps house, father b KY, mother b KY, Assumption, Christian County, IL, p. 467C. 1880 Candas Kinkead, born 1860, in IL, age 20, white, single, school teacher, father b KY, mother b IL, daughter of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. 1880 Emma L. Kinkead, born 1862, in IL, age 18, white, single, at home, father b KY, mother b IL, daughter of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. 1880 Christopher C. Coonrod, born 1839, in IL, age 41, white, widowed, grocer, father b KY, mother b KY, brother of Isabell Kinkead, Assumption, Christian County, IL. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Van Hout Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:34 PM To: Courtney Kahler ; kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Kincaids of Greene and Pike County, IL According to find-a-grave.com, the burial location of Guy H. Kinkead and his wife Isabel is at the Greenwood Cemetery in Christian County, IL. Kinkead, Guy H 72268429 b. 1824 d. 1875 Greenwood Cemetery Assumption Christian County Illinois, USA Kinkead, Isabel 72268491 b. 1830 d. 1904 Greenwood Cemetery Assumption Christian County Illinois, USA Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Courtney Kahler Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:58 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois It would be good to learn if this George and Polly had a relation to my great great great grandfather Guy. And he did state he was a blacksmith on one of the censuses. On another he said he was a merchant. So maybe he changed trades at some point. It was previously suggested there was a relation to a woman named Barbara Kincaid. And if she is his mother, then his father most likely died before 1850. Below is copied an old archived list email from Randy. On another note, I'm certain that Martha J "Punsley" as listed in the marriage record is actually Martha Jane Pursley. Martha Jane Pursley's sister Susan Pursley Cushing had a son named Samuel E Cushing, and he married Emma Lena Kinkead who was a daughter of Guy Kinkead (from his 2nd marriage with Isabel Lamb). Also Charles Richard Kinkead (son of Guy and Martha) married Leonora Bell Cushing who was a cousin to Samuel E Cushing. There's a few connections between the Kinkeads, Cushings, and Pursleys in that time frame, so they all must have been a close-knit group. Courtney Kahler www.chainedheartjewelry.com From: Randy Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com> Sent: 02/04/03 04:36 PM To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Guy Kincaid: Christian Cty, KY > > This is a long shot but the following Illinois KINCAID/KINKEAD family > group may tie into this. I've kept track of them as they are in the same general area at the same time as my Kincaids, but I've never found an indication that they were related. To all appearances they are a different line. In many records, the following group is spelled KINKEAD; in some records KINCAID. Barbara Kincaid/Kinkead is in Greene Co., Illinois as early as 1834 when she purchases 80 acres with the Illinois record dated in March 1834 and a federal patent granted in 1835. On the land patent she is noted as "Barbara Kincaid of Greene Co., Illinois." KINCAID BARBARA FD W2SE 15 10N 10W 3 80.00 1.25 100.00 FEMALE 03/12/1834 GREENE 343 136 In the 1850 federal census, Barbara is found in Macoupin County, unknown Townships as follows: Barbara KINKEAD 56 F b. Ohio Jackson KINKEAD 21 Farmer M b. Kentucky Archie KINKEAD 19 Farmer M b. Kentucky Levi KINKEAD 22 Farmer M b. Kentucky Also in the 1850 federal census can be found Guy H. Kinkead, known to be Barbara's son from other records. He is found in Greene County, Macoupin & Apple Creek Township. Guy H. KINKEAD 25 M Blacksmith b. Kentucky Martha J. KINKEAD 22 F b. Kentucky Richard KINKEAD 1 M b. Illinois Mary F. KINKEAD 18 F b. Kentucky (Guy's sister, Barbara's daughter?) The given name Guy seems to be relegated to only a couple of Kincaid lines so this may be a good clue. Randy ________________________________ From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois (Barbara Van Hout) Are then any other known vitals for George that would help establish his age? What are the ages of the children in 1840? Can Polly be found in 1850? If some of the children were minors in 1844 then it would make sense for George to leave her the means of caring for them with the reliance that she would distribute the property among the children at her death. Then there is always the possibility that the children in the household were not George's children. Kim, it is always helpful to have a DNA participant from the line of an early Kincaid with unknown connections. Knowing who he is closely related to can help guide further research and expands our knowledge of the several Kincaid families. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara Van Hout) >I looked at Courtney's ancestor, Guy H. Kincaid, who is in the 1850 Greene > County, IL census. His occupation was blacksmith, suggesting a connection > to George Kincaid/Polly of Greene County. > Guy is shown as age 25, born in Kentucky, and his wife > Martha J was a. 22, also born in KY. > They had a son Richard, a. 1 born in Illinois, and living with them was > Mary > F. Kinkead a. 18, born in KY, possibly a sister of Guy. > > The 1830 and 1840 censuses for Greene County, IL show male and female > children in George's family, but his will names only his wife Polly to > inherit his land and possessions. If none of their children were included > in George's will, would there have been any legal basis for the children > to > contest the will? > > All of the children would have been treated equally, i.e. left out of the > will. > > George Kincaid's 1844 will and estate details, two pages, are here: > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-31031-28?cc=1834344&wc=M9MT-BZW:n1299987272 > > Who was Jefferson Dixon? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Kincaid > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:57 PM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara > Van Hout) > > > HI Barbara, > > I don't remember any blacksmith tools. Items sold to the Johnson's were > household items, bed, a stove, etc. I can stop back by, but I did not > make > copies. A lot of the notes against the estate where for farm items. > > If timing permits this year, on my trips through the area, I'll stop in > Pike, Greene & Adams counties in Illinois and Marion & Lewis counties in > Missouri to look for Kincaids. > > Any help with a research plan for families in the area would be helpful to > me. I travel a lot and although my family came from this area, my > husband's > Kincaid's did not. > > Would it be helpful for DNA to find a descendant of Russell Kincaid? > > Kim > > Message: 1Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:12:47 -0400From: "Barbara Van Hout" > <dutchtreat@prodigy.net>Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike > County, IllinoisTo: <kincaid@rootsweb.com>Message-ID: > <CBB0857DAE93490D8BCB4C06EF7B99DA@INSPIRON560>Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=originalKim,Were the > blacksmith tools listed and sold, according to Archibald's estate packet?A > blacksmith's job was a skilled trade and required years of training and > workas an apprentice to become qualified.The Colonial Blacksmith: The Most > Important Man in the > Villagehttp://voices.yahoo.com/the-colonial-blacksmith-most-important-man-in-24579.htmlBarbara-----Original > Message----- From: Kim KincaidSent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:32 PMTo: > kincaid@rootsweb.comSubject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, > IllinoisRandall,I'll see if next time I can go to Greene County, IL and > find > the probatepacket for George Kincaid to see if they have more than the > books! > .KimMessage: 3> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:18:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00)> From: > Randall Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald > Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:>> > <25075520.1394306329374.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8>> Kim, this is good new > information. > I do need to again correct the> informationin Barbara's original post. In > George Kincaid's Greene County, Illinoiswill/probate record Archibald > Kincaid is NOT named as George's son. Therecorddoes specifically appoint > his > "wife, Polly" as executrix and it simplystatesthat the blacksmith tools > are > bequested to "Archibald Kincaid of PikeCounty,Illinois". It would be wrong > to assign Archibald as George's son as it seemslikely that he is not. > Where > the will specifies the relationship to Polly,it isthe lack of a specified > relationship that makes it likely Archibald is notGeorge's son. It could > be > a nephew, a cousi! > n or other relationship or norelationship. The fact is that will does > not specify any childrenwhatsoever.>> This family group is likely to be > part > of the Andrew Kincaid/Martha> Townsleyfamily. > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/28/2014 09:07:57
    1. [KINCAID] Julius Kinkead, murderer
    2. Dick Kinkead

    3. I seem to have found this fellow in my line but can’t find anything out about him after he escaped from jail in McConnellsville, Ohio, in 1866. Anyone have a clue? Thanks, Dick Kinkead 2562

    03/27/2014 02:49:56
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves
    2. Larry Kincaid

    3. Thanks for the information, Samuel. For me, some of it is quite new. I only can rememberer one source about the ship Francis that was trying to take the prisoners to Barbados "as slaves" (whatever that implied for Scottish prisoners: for how long? To do what? That would require information from plantations in Barbados.) and ended up in New Jersey instead. And that many died on the voyage over. I've never heard anyone from Ireland say anything about this incident, let along the name of John Kincaid's wife, Janet Dun, and her mother Jean Hannay, and an attorney in the case also named John Kincaid. Don W has asked some of the relevant questions about them. Many of us would be interested in knowing if there are any records that trace either John Kincaid back in time (from 1690) in Scotland and forward in time to North America. It would be especially useful if male descendants of either John Kincaid could be found that would be willing provide DNA information so some of us might be able to make a family connection that cannot now be done with genealogical records. Do you also have relatives in Canada, USA, or Australia that date from the 18th century? Larry (Don) Kincaid. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Don W Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: > Hi Samuel, > > It is nice to hear from across the pond! Also interesting to find our > surname spelled different ways in N. Ireland. Do you have any kin that are > or were in County Tyrone? > > One question on your comments on John Kincaid of Chalcarroch. Who were the > local ministers who created the lists which led to land confiscations? Also > would it be possible that the John Kincaid, defense lawyer, is John of > Chalcarroch? > > We hope to be in N. Ireland this Summer so maybe we can visit in person. > > Don > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Samuel Kinkaid > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:58 AM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves > > Hi folks. > As a Kincaid/Kinkead/Kinkaid (yes it's been spelt everyway in my family) > from a branch living in Northern Ireland but originally from Scotland I've > been reading with interest the various posts re Irish Slaves. > > As I'm sure you know you need to be very careful with any histories on > Ireland or Scotland around these times as they tend to be written both > emotively and from one sides view or another. > > The local historical societies here take great pride in the contribution > Ulster Scot immigrants made towards the development of the USA and CA and I > live about 1 mile from a house signposted as the family home of Andrew > Jackson. I've never read anything though about how many of these Ulster > Scots enlisted and took part in the various campaigns against the Native > tribes in the USA some 200 yrs after John Kincaids alleged enslavement > which > is probably an example of how you need to be careful. > > The use of the word Slave for example is very dangerous. The literature of > the day details John Kincaid as listed as being disorderly along his wife, > Janet Dun, and her mother Jean Hannay. The lists were created by the local > ministers and led to land confiscations or worse following the failed > Presbyterian rebellion of 1679. Such was the turmoil around this time that > only a few yrs later in 1690 many of the original sentences were repealed > on > the accession of William of Orange to the throne. > > I did find one interesting thing this morning namely one of the the defence > lawyers acting for those accused of rebellion was also named John Kincaid. > > I will end by saying keep up the research folks as you probably don't know > how helpful and insightful we find it this side of the Atlantic ! > > > On 21 Mar 2014, at 03:04, "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: > > > > In 1685 John Kincaid of Chalcarroch, Scotland was imprisoned for several > > months and then shipped to the New World in late 1685 but the ship > Francis > > went to Perth-Amboy, NJ instead of Barbados. John and most of the others > > on > > board had signed a document proclaiming their imprisonment and shipment > > was > > illegal. After arriving in NJ, many signed a similar document. In my > > research I found a NJ town a few miles North of Perth-Amboy took many of > > them in and the book I found this in said some went to New England > > colonies > > and some to Carolinas colonies. Hopefully someone will discover a > > descendant > > of John some day! > > > > Don > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Kincaid > > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:55 PM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves > > > > And . . . whatever happened to John Kincaid, minister, who was rounded up > > in Scotland in 1685 or so and put on a slave ship to Barbados that got > > shoved into Pennsylvania by a storm on the way? Well, I suppose we know. > > The Quakers would not let them be rebounded onto the ship. But what > > happened to the the other "slaves" exiled from Scotland and Ireland to > the > > Caribbean plantains? Remember, the conditions on board the Francis > (ship) > > that transported the slaves were horrible and many died of disease. > > Hardly > > a nice ride on an Airbus. It would be nice to get a balanced description > > of what happened to these slaves and how long they were kept and treated. > > The record we have just says, taken to Barbados on ship to become slaves. > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Judy Palmquist > > <bunclejudy@gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> Check out the book "White Cargo" by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh > >> > >> > >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm sorry but I have to say that this is more propaganda value than > >>> anything. As if the Irish Catholics were any more slighted or > >>> better than others. The Irish were pretty good slave traders post > >>> Roman era. They loved to raid our Strathclyde British ancestors > >>> of their loved ones and enslave them on their lands or sell them to > >>> the highest bidders overseas. The Irish Catholics Lords were just as > >> quick > >>> to sell their poor as the English Protestant Lords. From the Vikings > >>> to the Normans to the French and just about every other European > >>> kingdom did the same. It was a time of uncontrolled elites running > >>> anywhere and grabbing anyone their could overpower to make them > >>> do their will or make a profit from them - including those on their > >>> own estates. Not all were the same, but the Africans and the Irish > >>> did not have a monopoly on this. Talk to a lot of other indigenous > >>> populations around the world. > >>> > >>> I think it better to ignore those who try to exploit our dark times > >>> for political purposes. I have many Irish Catholic ancestors > >>> and I think I honour them better by working to ensure that this > >>> is ended and does not happen again to all of God's children - whether > >>> they are Saqaliba, Dalits, Irish, African, or whoever. Stirring up > >> ethnic > >>> populations with a surgical and biased view of ones own history > >>> does not help anything! This is an easy thing to get caught up in. > >>> Let's not. > >>> > >>> Peter > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Don W Kincaid > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:50 PM > >>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves > >>> > >>> I just finished reading about a sad bad time in history. A surname > >>> newsletter mentioned it and provided a link to it. The rounding up and > >>> selling of Irish citizens reduced the population of Ireland > >>> dramatically. > >>> For those whose lineage comes through Ireland, slavery could be a big > >>> detriment to finding records of ancestors. None of the history courses > >>> I > >>> had in school or university ever mentioned the Irish Slave Trade so it > >> may > >>> be news to some of you as well. Don > >>> > >>> The Irish Slave Trade - The Forgotten "White" Slaves > >>> They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships > >>> bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands > >> and > >>> included men, women, and even the youngest of children. > >>> > >>> Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished > in > >>> the > >>> harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their > >> hands > >>> and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They > were > >>> burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as > a > >>> warning to other captives. > >>> > >>> We don't really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We > >> know > >>> all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. > >>> > >>> But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I > >> also > >>> led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain's famed Oliver > >>> Cromwell > >>> furthered this practice of dehumanizing one's next door neighbor. > >>> > >>> The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners > as > >>> slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish > >> political > >>> prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West > >> Indies. > >>> By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and > >>> Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat > were > >>> Irish slaves. > >>> > >>> Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for > English > >>> merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were > >> actually > >>> white. > >>> > >>> From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and > >>> another > >>> 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland's population fell from about > >> 1,500,000 > >>> to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the > >> British > >>> did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them > >> across > >>> the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and > >>> children. Britain's solution was to auction them off as well. > >>> > >>> During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 > and > >> 14 > >>> were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, > >>> Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women > and > >>> children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men > >> and > >>> women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, > >>> Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold > >>> as > >>> slaves to English settlers. > >>> > >>> Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly > >> were: > >>> Slaves. They'll come up with terms like "Indentured Servants" to > >>> describe > >>> what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and > >>> 18th > >>> centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. > >>> > >>> As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this > >> same > >>> period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the > >> stain > >>> of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were > >>> often > >>> treated far better than their Irish counterparts. > >>> > >>> African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). > >>> Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped > >> or > >>> branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death > >> was > >>> a > >>> monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive > African. > >>> The > >>> English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their > >>> own > >>> personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were > >>> themselves > >>> slaves, which increased the size of the master's free workforce. Even > if > >> an > >>> Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves > >>> of > >>> her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, > >> would > >>> seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude. > >>> > >>> In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in > many > >>> cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The > >>> settlers > >>> began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves > >>> with > >>> a distinct complexion. These new "mulatto" slaves brought a higher > price > >>> than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money > >>> rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding > >>> Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so > >>> widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed "forbidding the > >>> practice > >>> of > >>> mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of > >> producing > >>> slaves for sale." In short, it was stopped only because it interfered > >> with > >>> the profits of a large slave transport company. > >>> > >>> England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more > >> than a > >>> century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands > >>> of > >>> Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were > >>> horrible > >>> abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped > >>> 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty > >> of > >>> food to eat. > >>> > >>> There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of > >> slavery > >>> as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There > is, > >>> also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness > in > >>> your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of > African > >>> and > >>> Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it's own to end > it's > >>> participation in Satan's highway to hell and stopped transporting > >>> slaves. > >>> While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, > >> the > >>> new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery. > >>> > >>> But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an > >>> African > >>> experience, then they've got it completely wrong. > >>> > >>> Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our > >>> memories. > >>> > >>> But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the > >>> history > >>> books? Why is it so seldom discussed? > >>> > >>> Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more > >> than a > >>> mention from an unknown writer? > >>> > >>> Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To > >> (unlike > >>> the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear > >> as > >>> if it never happened. > >>> > >>> None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to > >>> describe > >>> their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased > >>> history books conveniently forgot. > >>> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > project, > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > >>> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > project, > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > >>> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > >> > >> www.kincaiddna.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > -- > > dddddddd > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- dddddddd

    03/21/2014 07:11:46
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves
    2. Don W Kincaid

    3. Hi Samuel, It is nice to hear from across the pond! Also interesting to find our surname spelled different ways in N. Ireland. Do you have any kin that are or were in County Tyrone? One question on your comments on John Kincaid of Chalcarroch. Who were the local ministers who created the lists which led to land confiscations? Also would it be possible that the John Kincaid, defense lawyer, is John of Chalcarroch? We hope to be in N. Ireland this Summer so maybe we can visit in person. Don -----Original Message----- From: Samuel Kinkaid Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:58 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves Hi folks. As a Kincaid/Kinkead/Kinkaid (yes it's been spelt everyway in my family) from a branch living in Northern Ireland but originally from Scotland I've been reading with interest the various posts re Irish Slaves. As I'm sure you know you need to be very careful with any histories on Ireland or Scotland around these times as they tend to be written both emotively and from one sides view or another. The local historical societies here take great pride in the contribution Ulster Scot immigrants made towards the development of the USA and CA and I live about 1 mile from a house signposted as the family home of Andrew Jackson. I've never read anything though about how many of these Ulster Scots enlisted and took part in the various campaigns against the Native tribes in the USA some 200 yrs after John Kincaids alleged enslavement which is probably an example of how you need to be careful. The use of the word Slave for example is very dangerous. The literature of the day details John Kincaid as listed as being disorderly along his wife, Janet Dun, and her mother Jean Hannay. The lists were created by the local ministers and led to land confiscations or worse following the failed Presbyterian rebellion of 1679. Such was the turmoil around this time that only a few yrs later in 1690 many of the original sentences were repealed on the accession of William of Orange to the throne. I did find one interesting thing this morning namely one of the the defence lawyers acting for those accused of rebellion was also named John Kincaid. I will end by saying keep up the research folks as you probably don't know how helpful and insightful we find it this side of the Atlantic ! > On 21 Mar 2014, at 03:04, "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: > > In 1685 John Kincaid of Chalcarroch, Scotland was imprisoned for several > months and then shipped to the New World in late 1685 but the ship Francis > went to Perth-Amboy, NJ instead of Barbados. John and most of the others > on > board had signed a document proclaiming their imprisonment and shipment > was > illegal. After arriving in NJ, many signed a similar document. In my > research I found a NJ town a few miles North of Perth-Amboy took many of > them in and the book I found this in said some went to New England > colonies > and some to Carolinas colonies. Hopefully someone will discover a > descendant > of John some day! > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Kincaid > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:55 PM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves > > And . . . whatever happened to John Kincaid, minister, who was rounded up > in Scotland in 1685 or so and put on a slave ship to Barbados that got > shoved into Pennsylvania by a storm on the way? Well, I suppose we know. > The Quakers would not let them be rebounded onto the ship. But what > happened to the the other "slaves" exiled from Scotland and Ireland to the > Caribbean plantains? Remember, the conditions on board the Francis (ship) > that transported the slaves were horrible and many died of disease. > Hardly > a nice ride on an Airbus. It would be nice to get a balanced description > of what happened to these slaves and how long they were kept and treated. > The record we have just says, taken to Barbados on ship to become slaves. > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Judy Palmquist > <bunclejudy@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Check out the book "White Cargo" by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh >> >> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm sorry but I have to say that this is more propaganda value than >>> anything. As if the Irish Catholics were any more slighted or >>> better than others. The Irish were pretty good slave traders post >>> Roman era. They loved to raid our Strathclyde British ancestors >>> of their loved ones and enslave them on their lands or sell them to >>> the highest bidders overseas. The Irish Catholics Lords were just as >> quick >>> to sell their poor as the English Protestant Lords. From the Vikings >>> to the Normans to the French and just about every other European >>> kingdom did the same. It was a time of uncontrolled elites running >>> anywhere and grabbing anyone their could overpower to make them >>> do their will or make a profit from them - including those on their >>> own estates. Not all were the same, but the Africans and the Irish >>> did not have a monopoly on this. Talk to a lot of other indigenous >>> populations around the world. >>> >>> I think it better to ignore those who try to exploit our dark times >>> for political purposes. I have many Irish Catholic ancestors >>> and I think I honour them better by working to ensure that this >>> is ended and does not happen again to all of God's children - whether >>> they are Saqaliba, Dalits, Irish, African, or whoever. Stirring up >> ethnic >>> populations with a surgical and biased view of ones own history >>> does not help anything! This is an easy thing to get caught up in. >>> Let's not. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Don W Kincaid >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:50 PM >>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves >>> >>> I just finished reading about a sad bad time in history. A surname >>> newsletter mentioned it and provided a link to it. The rounding up and >>> selling of Irish citizens reduced the population of Ireland >>> dramatically. >>> For those whose lineage comes through Ireland, slavery could be a big >>> detriment to finding records of ancestors. None of the history courses >>> I >>> had in school or university ever mentioned the Irish Slave Trade so it >> may >>> be news to some of you as well. Don >>> >>> The Irish Slave Trade - The Forgotten "White" Slaves >>> They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships >>> bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands >> and >>> included men, women, and even the youngest of children. >>> >>> Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in >>> the >>> harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their >> hands >>> and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were >>> burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a >>> warning to other captives. >>> >>> We don't really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We >> know >>> all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. >>> >>> But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I >> also >>> led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain's famed Oliver >>> Cromwell >>> furthered this practice of dehumanizing one's next door neighbor. >>> >>> The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as >>> slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish >> political >>> prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West >> Indies. >>> By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and >>> Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were >>> Irish slaves. >>> >>> Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English >>> merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were >> actually >>> white. >>> >>> From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and >>> another >>> 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland's population fell from about >> 1,500,000 >>> to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the >> British >>> did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them >> across >>> the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and >>> children. Britain's solution was to auction them off as well. >>> >>> During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and >> 14 >>> were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, >>> Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and >>> children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men >> and >>> women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, >>> Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold >>> as >>> slaves to English settlers. >>> >>> Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly >> were: >>> Slaves. They'll come up with terms like "Indentured Servants" to >>> describe >>> what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and >>> 18th >>> centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. >>> >>> As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this >> same >>> period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the >> stain >>> of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were >>> often >>> treated far better than their Irish counterparts. >>> >>> African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). >>> Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped >> or >>> branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death >> was >>> a >>> monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. >>> The >>> English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their >>> own >>> personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were >>> themselves >>> slaves, which increased the size of the master's free workforce. Even if >> an >>> Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves >>> of >>> her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, >> would >>> seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude. >>> >>> In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many >>> cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The >>> settlers >>> began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves >>> with >>> a distinct complexion. These new "mulatto" slaves brought a higher price >>> than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money >>> rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding >>> Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so >>> widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed "forbidding the >>> practice >>> of >>> mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of >> producing >>> slaves for sale." In short, it was stopped only because it interfered >> with >>> the profits of a large slave transport company. >>> >>> England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more >> than a >>> century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands >>> of >>> Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were >>> horrible >>> abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped >>> 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty >> of >>> food to eat. >>> >>> There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of >> slavery >>> as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, >>> also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in >>> your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African >>> and >>> Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it's own to end it's >>> participation in Satan's highway to hell and stopped transporting >>> slaves. >>> While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, >> the >>> new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery. >>> >>> But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an >>> African >>> experience, then they've got it completely wrong. >>> >>> Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our >>> memories. >>> >>> But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the >>> history >>> books? Why is it so seldom discussed? >>> >>> Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more >> than a >>> mention from an unknown writer? >>> >>> Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To >> (unlike >>> the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear >> as >>> if it never happened. >>> >>> None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to >>> describe >>> their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased >>> history books conveniently forgot. >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > dddddddd > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/21/2014 03:25:41
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves
    2. Samuel Kinkaid

    3. Hi folks. As a Kincaid/Kinkead/Kinkaid (yes it's been spelt everyway in my family) from a branch living in Northern Ireland but originally from Scotland I've been reading with interest the various posts re Irish Slaves. As I'm sure you know you need to be very careful with any histories on Ireland or Scotland around these times as they tend to be written both emotively and from one sides view or another. The local historical societies here take great pride in the contribution Ulster Scot immigrants made towards the development of the USA and CA and I live about 1 mile from a house signposted as the family home of Andrew Jackson. I've never read anything though about how many of these Ulster Scots enlisted and took part in the various campaigns against the Native tribes in the USA some 200 yrs after John Kincaids alleged enslavement which is probably an example of how you need to be careful. The use of the word Slave for example is very dangerous. The literature of the day details John Kincaid as listed as being disorderly along his wife, Janet Dun, and her mother Jean Hannay. The lists were created by the local ministers and led to land confiscations or worse following the failed Presbyterian rebellion of 1679. Such was the turmoil around this time that only a few yrs later in 1690 many of the original sentences were repealed on the accession of William of Orange to the throne. I did find one interesting thing this morning namely one of the the defence lawyers acting for those accused of rebellion was also named John Kincaid. I will end by saying keep up the research folks as you probably don't know how helpful and insightful we find it this side of the Atlantic ! > On 21 Mar 2014, at 03:04, "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: > > In 1685 John Kincaid of Chalcarroch, Scotland was imprisoned for several > months and then shipped to the New World in late 1685 but the ship Francis > went to Perth-Amboy, NJ instead of Barbados. John and most of the others on > board had signed a document proclaiming their imprisonment and shipment was > illegal. After arriving in NJ, many signed a similar document. In my > research I found a NJ town a few miles North of Perth-Amboy took many of > them in and the book I found this in said some went to New England colonies > and some to Carolinas colonies. Hopefully someone will discover a descendant > of John some day! > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Kincaid > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:55 PM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves > > And . . . whatever happened to John Kincaid, minister, who was rounded up > in Scotland in 1685 or so and put on a slave ship to Barbados that got > shoved into Pennsylvania by a storm on the way? Well, I suppose we know. > The Quakers would not let them be rebounded onto the ship. But what > happened to the the other "slaves" exiled from Scotland and Ireland to the > Caribbean plantains? Remember, the conditions on board the Francis (ship) > that transported the slaves were horrible and many died of disease. Hardly > a nice ride on an Airbus. It would be nice to get a balanced description > of what happened to these slaves and how long they were kept and treated. > The record we have just says, taken to Barbados on ship to become slaves. > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Judy Palmquist <bunclejudy@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Check out the book "White Cargo" by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh >> >> >>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: >>> >>> I'm sorry but I have to say that this is more propaganda value than >>> anything. As if the Irish Catholics were any more slighted or >>> better than others. The Irish were pretty good slave traders post >>> Roman era. They loved to raid our Strathclyde British ancestors >>> of their loved ones and enslave them on their lands or sell them to >>> the highest bidders overseas. The Irish Catholics Lords were just as >> quick >>> to sell their poor as the English Protestant Lords. From the Vikings >>> to the Normans to the French and just about every other European >>> kingdom did the same. It was a time of uncontrolled elites running >>> anywhere and grabbing anyone their could overpower to make them >>> do their will or make a profit from them - including those on their >>> own estates. Not all were the same, but the Africans and the Irish >>> did not have a monopoly on this. Talk to a lot of other indigenous >>> populations around the world. >>> >>> I think it better to ignore those who try to exploit our dark times >>> for political purposes. I have many Irish Catholic ancestors >>> and I think I honour them better by working to ensure that this >>> is ended and does not happen again to all of God's children - whether >>> they are Saqaliba, Dalits, Irish, African, or whoever. Stirring up >> ethnic >>> populations with a surgical and biased view of ones own history >>> does not help anything! This is an easy thing to get caught up in. >>> Let's not. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Don W Kincaid >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:50 PM >>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves >>> >>> I just finished reading about a sad bad time in history. A surname >>> newsletter mentioned it and provided a link to it. The rounding up and >>> selling of Irish citizens reduced the population of Ireland >>> dramatically. >>> For those whose lineage comes through Ireland, slavery could be a big >>> detriment to finding records of ancestors. None of the history courses >>> I >>> had in school or university ever mentioned the Irish Slave Trade so it >> may >>> be news to some of you as well. Don >>> >>> The Irish Slave Trade - The Forgotten "White" Slaves >>> They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships >>> bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands >> and >>> included men, women, and even the youngest of children. >>> >>> Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in >>> the >>> harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their >> hands >>> and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were >>> burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a >>> warning to other captives. >>> >>> We don't really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We >> know >>> all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. >>> >>> But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I >> also >>> led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain's famed Oliver >>> Cromwell >>> furthered this practice of dehumanizing one's next door neighbor. >>> >>> The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as >>> slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish >> political >>> prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West >> Indies. >>> By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and >>> Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were >>> Irish slaves. >>> >>> Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English >>> merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were >> actually >>> white. >>> >>> From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and >>> another >>> 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland's population fell from about >> 1,500,000 >>> to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the >> British >>> did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them >> across >>> the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and >>> children. Britain's solution was to auction them off as well. >>> >>> During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and >> 14 >>> were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, >>> Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and >>> children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men >> and >>> women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, >>> Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold >>> as >>> slaves to English settlers. >>> >>> Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly >> were: >>> Slaves. They'll come up with terms like "Indentured Servants" to >>> describe >>> what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and >>> 18th >>> centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. >>> >>> As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this >> same >>> period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the >> stain >>> of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were >>> often >>> treated far better than their Irish counterparts. >>> >>> African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). >>> Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped >> or >>> branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death >> was >>> a >>> monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. >>> The >>> English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their >>> own >>> personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were >>> themselves >>> slaves, which increased the size of the master's free workforce. Even if >> an >>> Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves >>> of >>> her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, >> would >>> seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude. >>> >>> In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many >>> cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The >>> settlers >>> began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves >>> with >>> a distinct complexion. These new "mulatto" slaves brought a higher price >>> than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money >>> rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding >>> Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so >>> widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed "forbidding the >>> practice >>> of >>> mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of >> producing >>> slaves for sale." In short, it was stopped only because it interfered >> with >>> the profits of a large slave transport company. >>> >>> England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more >> than a >>> century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands >>> of >>> Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were >>> horrible >>> abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped >>> 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty >> of >>> food to eat. >>> >>> There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of >> slavery >>> as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, >>> also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in >>> your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African >>> and >>> Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it's own to end it's >>> participation in Satan's highway to hell and stopped transporting >>> slaves. >>> While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, >> the >>> new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery. >>> >>> But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an >>> African >>> experience, then they've got it completely wrong. >>> >>> Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our >>> memories. >>> >>> But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the >>> history >>> books? Why is it so seldom discussed? >>> >>> Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more >> than a >>> mention from an unknown writer? >>> >>> Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To >> (unlike >>> the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear >> as >>> if it never happened. >>> >>> None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to >>> describe >>> their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased >>> history books conveniently forgot. >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > dddddddd > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/21/2014 02:58:47
    1. [KINCAID] New DNA results #237325
    2. Sue Liedtke

    3. Results are in for #23735's upgrade from 37 to 67 markers. There are 5 variances from the C-2 AAV within that range. He has 3 variances in the 1-37 range. Together this suggests he does not belong in this set. I have moved him to "ungrouped" but may reconsider and move him to "possible cousin" as his ancestor is a Shoemaker b 1947. I have sent a new chart to Grant. Depending on his schedule and available time, it might take several days for him to upload it to the Kincaiddna site. Sue

    03/21/2014 01:56:19
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves
    2. Larry Kincaid

    3. And . . . whatever happened to John Kincaid, minister, who was rounded up in Scotland in 1685 or so and put on a slave ship to Barbados that got shoved into Pennsylvania by a storm on the way? Well, I suppose we know. The Quakers would not let them be rebounded onto the ship. But what happened to the the other "slaves" exiled from Scotland and Ireland to the Caribbean plantains? Remember, the conditions on board the Francis (ship) that transported the slaves were horrible and many died of disease. Hardly a nice ride on an Airbus. It would be nice to get a balanced description of what happened to these slaves and how long they were kept and treated. The record we have just says, taken to Barbados on ship to become slaves. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Judy Palmquist <bunclejudy@gmail.com>wrote: > Check out the book "White Cargo" by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > I'm sorry but I have to say that this is more propaganda value than > > anything. As if the Irish Catholics were any more slighted or > > better than others. The Irish were pretty good slave traders post > > Roman era. They loved to raid our Strathclyde British ancestors > > of their loved ones and enslave them on their lands or sell them to > > the highest bidders overseas. The Irish Catholics Lords were just as > quick > > to sell their poor as the English Protestant Lords. From the Vikings > > to the Normans to the French and just about every other European > > kingdom did the same. It was a time of uncontrolled elites running > > anywhere and grabbing anyone their could overpower to make them > > do their will or make a profit from them - including those on their > > own estates. Not all were the same, but the Africans and the Irish > > did not have a monopoly on this. Talk to a lot of other indigenous > > populations around the world. > > > > I think it better to ignore those who try to exploit our dark times > > for political purposes. I have many Irish Catholic ancestors > > and I think I honour them better by working to ensure that this > > is ended and does not happen again to all of God's children - whether > > they are Saqaliba, Dalits, Irish, African, or whoever. Stirring up > ethnic > > populations with a surgical and biased view of ones own history > > does not help anything! This is an easy thing to get caught up in. > > Let's not. > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don W Kincaid > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:50 PM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves > > > > I just finished reading about a sad bad time in history. A surname > > newsletter mentioned it and provided a link to it. The rounding up and > > selling of Irish citizens reduced the population of Ireland dramatically. > > For those whose lineage comes through Ireland, slavery could be a big > > detriment to finding records of ancestors. None of the history courses I > > had in school or university ever mentioned the Irish Slave Trade so it > may > > be news to some of you as well. Don > > > > The Irish Slave Trade - The Forgotten "White" Slaves > > They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships > > bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands > and > > included men, women, and even the youngest of children. > > > > Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in > > the > > harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their > hands > > and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were > > burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a > > warning to other captives. > > > > We don't really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We > know > > all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. > > > > But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I > also > > led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain's famed Oliver > > Cromwell > > furthered this practice of dehumanizing one's next door neighbor. > > > > The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as > > slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish > political > > prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West > Indies. > > By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and > > Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were > > Irish slaves. > > > > Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English > > merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were > actually > > white. > > > > From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and > > another > > 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland's population fell from about > 1,500,000 > > to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the > British > > did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them > across > > the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and > > children. Britain's solution was to auction them off as well. > > > > During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and > 14 > > were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, > > Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and > > children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men > and > > women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, > > Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as > > slaves to English settlers. > > > > Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly > were: > > Slaves. They'll come up with terms like "Indentured Servants" to describe > > what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th > > centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. > > > > As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this > same > > period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the > stain > > of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often > > treated far better than their Irish counterparts. > > > > African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). > > Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped > or > > branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death > was > > a > > monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. > > The > > English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own > > personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were > > themselves > > slaves, which increased the size of the master's free workforce. Even if > an > > Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of > > her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, > would > > seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude. > > > > In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many > > cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers > > began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves > > with > > a distinct complexion. These new "mulatto" slaves brought a higher price > > than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money > > rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding > > Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so > > widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed "forbidding the practice > > of > > mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of > producing > > slaves for sale." In short, it was stopped only because it interfered > with > > the profits of a large slave transport company. > > > > England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more > than a > > century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of > > Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible > > abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped > > 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty > of > > food to eat. > > > > There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of > slavery > > as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, > > also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in > > your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African > > and > > Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it's own to end it's > > participation in Satan's highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. > > While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, > the > > new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery. > > > > But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African > > experience, then they've got it completely wrong. > > > > Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our > > memories. > > > > But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history > > books? Why is it so seldom discussed? > > > > Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more > than a > > mention from an unknown writer? > > > > Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To > (unlike > > the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear > as > > if it never happened. > > > > None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe > > their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased > > history books conveniently forgot. > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- dddddddd

    03/20/2014 04:55:40
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves
    2. Don W Kincaid

    3. In 1685 John Kincaid of Chalcarroch, Scotland was imprisoned for several months and then shipped to the New World in late 1685 but the ship Francis went to Perth-Amboy, NJ instead of Barbados. John and most of the others on board had signed a document proclaiming their imprisonment and shipment was illegal. After arriving in NJ, many signed a similar document. In my research I found a NJ town a few miles North of Perth-Amboy took many of them in and the book I found this in said some went to New England colonies and some to Carolinas colonies. Hopefully someone will discover a descendant of John some day! Don -----Original Message----- From: Larry Kincaid Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:55 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves And . . . whatever happened to John Kincaid, minister, who was rounded up in Scotland in 1685 or so and put on a slave ship to Barbados that got shoved into Pennsylvania by a storm on the way? Well, I suppose we know. The Quakers would not let them be rebounded onto the ship. But what happened to the the other "slaves" exiled from Scotland and Ireland to the Caribbean plantains? Remember, the conditions on board the Francis (ship) that transported the slaves were horrible and many died of disease. Hardly a nice ride on an Airbus. It would be nice to get a balanced description of what happened to these slaves and how long they were kept and treated. The record we have just says, taken to Barbados on ship to become slaves. On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Judy Palmquist <bunclejudy@gmail.com>wrote: > Check out the book "White Cargo" by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > I'm sorry but I have to say that this is more propaganda value than > > anything. As if the Irish Catholics were any more slighted or > > better than others. The Irish were pretty good slave traders post > > Roman era. They loved to raid our Strathclyde British ancestors > > of their loved ones and enslave them on their lands or sell them to > > the highest bidders overseas. The Irish Catholics Lords were just as > quick > > to sell their poor as the English Protestant Lords. From the Vikings > > to the Normans to the French and just about every other European > > kingdom did the same. It was a time of uncontrolled elites running > > anywhere and grabbing anyone their could overpower to make them > > do their will or make a profit from them - including those on their > > own estates. Not all were the same, but the Africans and the Irish > > did not have a monopoly on this. Talk to a lot of other indigenous > > populations around the world. > > > > I think it better to ignore those who try to exploit our dark times > > for political purposes. I have many Irish Catholic ancestors > > and I think I honour them better by working to ensure that this > > is ended and does not happen again to all of God's children - whether > > they are Saqaliba, Dalits, Irish, African, or whoever. Stirring up > ethnic > > populations with a surgical and biased view of ones own history > > does not help anything! This is an easy thing to get caught up in. > > Let's not. > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don W Kincaid > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:50 PM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves > > > > I just finished reading about a sad bad time in history. A surname > > newsletter mentioned it and provided a link to it. The rounding up and > > selling of Irish citizens reduced the population of Ireland > > dramatically. > > For those whose lineage comes through Ireland, slavery could be a big > > detriment to finding records of ancestors. None of the history courses > > I > > had in school or university ever mentioned the Irish Slave Trade so it > may > > be news to some of you as well. Don > > > > The Irish Slave Trade - The Forgotten "White" Slaves > > They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships > > bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands > and > > included men, women, and even the youngest of children. > > > > Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in > > the > > harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their > hands > > and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were > > burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a > > warning to other captives. > > > > We don't really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We > know > > all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. > > > > But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I > also > > led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain's famed Oliver > > Cromwell > > furthered this practice of dehumanizing one's next door neighbor. > > > > The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as > > slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish > political > > prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West > Indies. > > By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and > > Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were > > Irish slaves. > > > > Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English > > merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were > actually > > white. > > > > From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and > > another > > 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland's population fell from about > 1,500,000 > > to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the > British > > did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them > across > > the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and > > children. Britain's solution was to auction them off as well. > > > > During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and > 14 > > were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, > > Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and > > children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men > and > > women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, > > Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold > > as > > slaves to English settlers. > > > > Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly > were: > > Slaves. They'll come up with terms like "Indentured Servants" to > > describe > > what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and > > 18th > > centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. > > > > As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this > same > > period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the > stain > > of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were > > often > > treated far better than their Irish counterparts. > > > > African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). > > Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped > or > > branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death > was > > a > > monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. > > The > > English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their > > own > > personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were > > themselves > > slaves, which increased the size of the master's free workforce. Even if > an > > Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves > > of > > her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, > would > > seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude. > > > > In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many > > cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The > > settlers > > began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves > > with > > a distinct complexion. These new "mulatto" slaves brought a higher price > > than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money > > rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding > > Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so > > widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed "forbidding the > > practice > > of > > mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of > producing > > slaves for sale." In short, it was stopped only because it interfered > with > > the profits of a large slave transport company. > > > > England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more > than a > > century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands > > of > > Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were > > horrible > > abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped > > 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty > of > > food to eat. > > > > There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of > slavery > > as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, > > also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in > > your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African > > and > > Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it's own to end it's > > participation in Satan's highway to hell and stopped transporting > > slaves. > > While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, > the > > new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery. > > > > But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an > > African > > experience, then they've got it completely wrong. > > > > Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our > > memories. > > > > But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the > > history > > books? Why is it so seldom discussed? > > > > Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more > than a > > mention from an unknown writer? > > > > Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To > (unlike > > the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear > as > > if it never happened. > > > > None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to > > describe > > their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased > > history books conveniently forgot. > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- dddddddd For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/20/2014 02:04:01
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves
    2. Judy Palmquist

    3. Check out the book "White Cargo" by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: > I'm sorry but I have to say that this is more propaganda value than > anything. As if the Irish Catholics were any more slighted or > better than others. The Irish were pretty good slave traders post > Roman era. They loved to raid our Strathclyde British ancestors > of their loved ones and enslave them on their lands or sell them to > the highest bidders overseas. The Irish Catholics Lords were just as quick > to sell their poor as the English Protestant Lords. From the Vikings > to the Normans to the French and just about every other European > kingdom did the same. It was a time of uncontrolled elites running > anywhere and grabbing anyone their could overpower to make them > do their will or make a profit from them - including those on their > own estates. Not all were the same, but the Africans and the Irish > did not have a monopoly on this. Talk to a lot of other indigenous > populations around the world. > > I think it better to ignore those who try to exploit our dark times > for political purposes. I have many Irish Catholic ancestors > and I think I honour them better by working to ensure that this > is ended and does not happen again to all of God's children - whether > they are Saqaliba, Dalits, Irish, African, or whoever. Stirring up ethnic > populations with a surgical and biased view of ones own history > does not help anything! This is an easy thing to get caught up in. > Let's not. > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don W Kincaid > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:50 PM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves > > I just finished reading about a sad bad time in history. A surname > newsletter mentioned it and provided a link to it. The rounding up and > selling of Irish citizens reduced the population of Ireland dramatically. > For those whose lineage comes through Ireland, slavery could be a big > detriment to finding records of ancestors. None of the history courses I > had in school or university ever mentioned the Irish Slave Trade so it may > be news to some of you as well. Don > > The Irish Slave Trade - The Forgotten "White" Slaves > They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships > bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and > included men, women, and even the youngest of children. > > Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in > the > harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands > and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were > burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a > warning to other captives. > > We don't really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know > all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. > > But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I also > led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain's famed Oliver > Cromwell > furthered this practice of dehumanizing one's next door neighbor. > > The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as > slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political > prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. > By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and > Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were > Irish slaves. > > Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English > merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually > white. > > From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and > another > 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland's population fell from about 1,500,000 > to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British > did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across > the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and > children. Britain's solution was to auction them off as well. > > During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 > were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, > Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and > children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and > women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, > Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as > slaves to English settlers. > > Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: > Slaves. They'll come up with terms like "Indentured Servants" to describe > what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th > centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. > > As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same > period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain > of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often > treated far better than their Irish counterparts. > > African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). > Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or > branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was > a > monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. > The > English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own > personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were > themselves > slaves, which increased the size of the master's free workforce. Even if an > Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of > her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would > seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude. > > In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many > cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers > began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves > with > a distinct complexion. These new "mulatto" slaves brought a higher price > than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money > rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding > Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so > widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed "forbidding the practice > of > mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing > slaves for sale." In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with > the profits of a large slave transport company. > > England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a > century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of > Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible > abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped > 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of > food to eat. > > There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery > as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, > also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in > your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African > and > Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it's own to end it's > participation in Satan's highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. > While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the > new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery. > > But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African > experience, then they've got it completely wrong. > > Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our > memories. > > But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history > books? Why is it so seldom discussed? > > Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a > mention from an unknown writer? > > Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike > the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as > if it never happened. > > None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe > their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased > history books conveniently forgot. > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/20/2014 09:22:17
    1. [KINCAID] Milton Alexander Kinkead & Dr. Archibald G. Kinkead, brothers
    2. Barbara Van Hout

    3. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Kinkead was living in the household of Archibald G. Kinkead & his wife Lucy in the 1860 Greene County, IL census. Milton’s biography indicated that he was born in Manchester, IL which is currently located in Scott County, and he was the son of William/Elizabeth of Kentucky. I have not seen these names as children of William T. Kincaid and his wife Elizabeth “Betsy” Mace. KINKEAD, MILTON ALEXANDER Greenfield Argus 11/16/1906 Milton Alexander Kinkead died at his home in Springfield, Ill., November 13, 1906, aged sixty-five years, four months and one day. The funeral was held at the family residence yesterday afternoon at 2 o'clock. Chaplin Stevenson, of the G. A..R. post of that city and Rev. J. E. Rogers, officiating. The members of Springfield post, of which the deceased was a member, attended in a body. Interment in Oak Ridge cemetery. Mr. Kinkead had been ill for several months with cancer of the liver and his death was not unexpected. He had been a resident of Springfield for the last thirteen years. He was born July 12, 1841, in Manchester, Ill. He was an orphan at the age of three weeks and was reared by an aunt. He removed to Greenfield, Ill., at the age of sixteen years and there engaged in farm work and also secured a position as a clerk in a store. At the outbreak of the civil war he enlisted in Company D, Fourteenth Illinois volunteer infantry, commanded by Captain Bryant, of Greenfield. He served only a few months, being discharged on account of sickness. At the close of the war, together with Captain Bryant, he engaged in the grocery business at Carrollton. Later he returned to Greenfield, where he pursued the same business. He married Cassandra Saxton in 1864. During his residence in Springfield he had been engaged in traveling for wholesale firms located in Alton, and he followed this vocation up to the time of his illness. Mr. Kinkead is survived by his wife, four daughters, Mrs. S. E. Skidner, Mrs J. E. Schwartzott, Miss Minnie Kinkead, all of Springfield and Mrs. F. L. Mills, of Streator; four sons, Howard and Guy Kinkead of Springfield, W. A. Kinkead of this city, and Arthur Kinkead, of Irving; also a brother Dr. A. G. Kinkead, and a sister, Mrs Rebecca Mays, both of this city. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilmaga/sangamon/cemetery/oakridge/obits/kinkead.html * * * *KINCAID, M. A. grocery, Greenfield; was born in the town of Manchester, Morgan County, July 12, 1841; was the last of a family of seven children of Wm. and Elizabeth Kincaid, who were natives of Kentucky. His father and mother dying before he had any recollection of them; but an aunt of his took him in charge and gave him what counsel and cheer she could. Moved with his aunt to Petersburg, Menard County, at an early age, remaining there until he was thirteen years of age, when he came to the town of Greenfield, and for several years worked out among the farmers and at what jobs he could obtain, until his enlistment in the U. S. service; went out in the 14th Reg. Ill., Vol. Co. D; remained with the regiment seven months when he was discharged on account of disability, by disease contracted while in the service. Upon his return home, engaged as a clerk for Mrs. Ellis; subsequently to this clerked for Eli Lee. Then went into business with Capt. Bryant, which partnership lasted about seven months, then sold out and came to Greenfield and embarked in the grocery business on the north side of the Square, and has since continued at the same. Sept. 1, 1864, was united in marriage to Cassandra Saxton, daughter of Rev. W. T. Saxton; had seven children, viz.: Ola D., born June 17, 1865; William A., born Nov. 27, 1866; Arthur, born June 1, 1867; Howard, born Oct. 20, 1869; Minnie, born Oct. 20, 1871; Siloa, born July 26, 1875; Guy, born Oct. 25, 1878. Upon his arrival here in Greenfield, associated with him as partner Valentine Caswell. After the dissolution of this firm, conducted the business alone, then associated with Mr. N. L. Cunningham, which partnership was not a profitable one for Mr. Kincaid, as he sloped with the funds of the firm, was never heard of since. Mr. Kincaid is Republican in sentiment. www.mygenealogyhound.com/illinois-biographies/il-greene-county-illinois-biographies/m-a-kincaid-genealogy-greene-county-illinois-greenfield.html# The following census info is from Norman’s website. This William Kinkade could have been the father of Milton Alexander Kinkead and also Dr. Archibald G Kinkead. I would include Guy H. Kincaid as a brother also, because Milton named one of his sons “Guy”. Guy H. Kincaid died before Milton A. Kincaid, and therefore was not listed in his obituary. Scott County, IL 1840 Asaph Kinkade, [20720] Winchester Township, Scott County, IL, 2 males under 5, 1 male 5-9, 1 male 20-29, 1 female under 5, 1 female 5-9, 1 female 30-39, p. 154. 1840 S.J. Kinkade, [20720] Winchester Township, Scott County, IL, 1 male 15-19, 1 male 50-59, 1 female 15-19, 1 female 20-29, 1 female 50-59, p. 135. 1840 William Kinkade, [20720] Winchester Township, Scott County, IL, 1 male under 5, 2 males 5-9, 1 male 10-14, 1 male 15-19, 1 male 30-39, 2 females under 5, 1 female 5-9, 1 female 30-39, 1 female 50-59, p. 161 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/kincaids%20in%201840%20united%20states%20census.htm Birth: Jul. 12, 1841 Death: Nov. 13, 1906 KINKEAD, Milton Alexander b. 12 July 1841 d. 13 November 1906 Co D, 14th Ill. Vol. Infantry He was born July 12, 1841, in Manchester, Ill. He was an orphan at the age of three weeks and was reared by an aunt. He removed to Greenfield, Ill., at the age of sixteen years and there engaged in farm work and also secured a position as a clerk in a store. At the outbreak of the civil war he enlisted in Company D, Fourteenth Illinois volunteer infantry, commanded by Captain Bryant, of Greenfield. He served only a few months, being discharged on account of sickness. At the close of the war, together with Captain Bryant, he engaged in the grocery business at Carrollton. Later he returned to Greenfield, where he pursued the same business. He married Cassandra Saxton in 1864. During his residence in Springfield he had been engaged in traveling for wholesale firms located in Alton, and he followed this vocation up to the time of his illness. Burial: Oak Ridge Cemetery Springfield Sangamon County Illinois, USA

    03/19/2014 10:46:55
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Milton Alexander Kinkead & Dr. Archibald G. Kinkead, brothers
    2. Courtney Kahler

    3. Thanks Barbara!  Interesting theory about Guy H and this fellow.  Guy would have been 17 years older than Milton but that doesn't preclude him from being a brother.  Could make him an uncle or something though too.  Hard to say!  I will have to look into all this when I get a chance.  Thanks again!   Courtney Kahler www.chainedheartjewelry.com ________________________________ From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:46 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Milton Alexander Kinkead & Dr. Archibald G. Kinkead, brothers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Kinkead was living in the household of Archibald G. Kinkead & his wife Lucy in the 1860 Greene County, IL census.  Milton’s biography indicated that he was born in Manchester, IL which is currently located in Scott County, and he was the son of William/Elizabeth of Kentucky.  I have not seen these names as children of William T. Kincaid and his wife Elizabeth “Betsy” Mace. KINKEAD, MILTON ALEXANDER Greenfield Argus 11/16/1906 Milton Alexander Kinkead died at his home in Springfield, Ill., November 13, 1906, aged sixty-five years, four months and one day. The funeral was held at the family residence yesterday afternoon at 2 o'clock. Chaplin Stevenson, of the G. A..R. post of that city and Rev. J. E. Rogers, officiating. The members of Springfield post, of which the deceased was a member, attended in a body. Interment in Oak Ridge cemetery. Mr. Kinkead had been ill for several months with cancer of the liver and his death was not unexpected. He had been a resident of Springfield for the last thirteen years. He was born July 12, 1841, in Manchester, Ill. He was an orphan at the age of three weeks and was reared by an aunt. He removed to Greenfield, Ill., at the age of sixteen years and there engaged in farm work and also secured a position as a clerk in a store. At the outbreak of the civil war he enlisted in Company D, Fourteenth Illinois volunteer infantry, commanded by Captain Bryant, of Greenfield. He served only a few months, being discharged on account of sickness. At the close of the war, together with Captain Bryant, he engaged in the grocery business at Carrollton. Later he returned to Greenfield, where he pursued the same business. He married Cassandra Saxton in 1864. During his residence in Springfield he had been engaged in traveling for wholesale firms located in Alton, and he followed this vocation up to the time of his illness. Mr. Kinkead is survived by his wife, four daughters, Mrs. S. E. Skidner, Mrs J. E. Schwartzott, Miss Minnie Kinkead, all of Springfield and Mrs. F. L. Mills, of Streator; four sons, Howard and Guy Kinkead of Springfield, W. A. Kinkead of this city, and Arthur Kinkead, of Irving; also a brother Dr. A. G. Kinkead, and a sister, Mrs Rebecca Mays, both of this city. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilmaga/sangamon/cemetery/oakridge/obits/kinkead.html * * * *KINCAID, M. A. grocery, Greenfield; was born in the town of Manchester, Morgan County, July 12, 1841; was the last of a family of seven children of Wm. and Elizabeth Kincaid, who were natives of Kentucky. His father and mother dying before he had any recollection of them; but an aunt of his took him in charge and gave him what counsel and cheer she could. Moved with his aunt to Petersburg, Menard County, at an early age, remaining there until he was thirteen years of age, when he came to the town of Greenfield, and for several years worked out among the farmers and at what jobs he could obtain, until his enlistment in the U. S. service; went out in the 14th Reg. Ill., Vol. Co. D; remained with the regiment seven months when he was discharged on account of disability, by disease contracted while in the service. Upon his return home, engaged as a clerk for Mrs. Ellis; subsequently to this clerked for Eli Lee. Then went into business with Capt. Bryant, which partnership lasted about seven months, then sold out and came to Greenfield and embarked in the grocery business on the north side of the Square, and has since continued at the same. Sept. 1, 1864, was united in marriage to Cassandra Saxton, daughter of Rev. W. T. Saxton; had seven children, viz.: Ola D., born June 17, 1865; William A., born Nov. 27, 1866; Arthur, born June 1, 1867; Howard, born Oct. 20, 1869; Minnie, born Oct. 20, 1871; Siloa, born July 26, 1875; Guy, born Oct. 25, 1878. Upon his arrival here in Greenfield, associated with him as partner Valentine Caswell. After the dissolution of this firm, conducted the business alone, then associated with Mr. N. L. Cunningham, which partnership was not a profitable one for Mr. Kincaid, as he sloped with the funds of the firm, was never heard of since. Mr. Kincaid is Republican in sentiment. www.mygenealogyhound.com/illinois-biographies/il-greene-county-illinois-biographies/m-a-kincaid-genealogy-greene-county-illinois-greenfield.html# The following census info is from Norman’s website.  This William Kinkade could have been the father of Milton Alexander Kinkead and also Dr. Archibald G Kinkead.  I would include Guy H. Kincaid as a brother also, because Milton named one of his sons “Guy”.  Guy H. Kincaid died before Milton A. Kincaid, and therefore was not listed in his obituary. Scott County, IL 1840    Asaph Kinkade, [20720] Winchester Township, Scott County, IL, 2 males under 5, 1 male 5-9, 1 male 20-29, 1 female under 5, 1 female 5-9, 1 female 30-39, p. 154. 1840    S.J. Kinkade, [20720] Winchester Township, Scott County, IL, 1 male 15-19, 1 male 50-59, 1 female 15-19, 1 female 20-29, 1 female 50-59, p. 135. 1840    William Kinkade, [20720] Winchester Township, Scott County, IL, 1 male under 5, 2 males 5-9, 1 male 10-14, 1 male 15-19, 1 male 30-39, 2 females under 5, 1 female 5-9, 1 female 30-39, 1 female 50-59, p. 161 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/kincaids%20in%201840%20united%20states%20census.htm       Birth:  Jul. 12, 1841       Death:  Nov. 13, 1906       KINKEAD, Milton Alexander       b. 12 July 1841       d. 13 November 1906       Co D, 14th Ill. Vol. Infantry       He was born July 12, 1841, in Manchester, Ill. He was an orphan at the age of three weeks and was reared by an aunt. He removed to Greenfield, Ill., at the age of sixteen years and there engaged in farm work and also secured a position as a clerk in a store.       At the outbreak of the civil war he enlisted in Company D, Fourteenth Illinois volunteer infantry, commanded by Captain Bryant, of Greenfield. He served only a few months, being discharged on account of sickness.       At the close of the war, together with Captain Bryant, he engaged in the grocery business at Carrollton. Later he returned to Greenfield, where he pursued the same business.       He married Cassandra Saxton in 1864. During his residence in Springfield he had been engaged in traveling for wholesale firms located in Alton, and he followed this vocation up to the time of his illness.                         Burial:       Oak Ridge Cemetery       Springfield       Sangamon County       Illinois, USA For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/19/2014 08:07:39
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Guy H Kinkead of Greene Co, IL and Archibald G. Kinkead
    2. Barbara Van Hout

    3. This is the record from familysearch.com, probate records of Greene County, IL, which shows that Guy H. Kinkead was security for A. G. Kinkead and his wife Lucy J (Booker, dau. of Richard M. Booker) Kinkead. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17910-694-67?cc=1834344&wc=MDR8-V38:162587101,162644401 Illinois Probate Records, 1819-1970 Greene Probate records 1852-1860 vol E Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Van Hout Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:46 PM To: Courtney Kahler ; kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Guy H Kinkead of Greene Co, IL and Archibald G. Kinkead Green County, IL probate records: Guy H Kinkead was a buyer at the estate sale of Richard M. Booker. Richard M Booker's daughter Lucy was married to Archibald G. Kinkead, who was likely the son of Barbara Kinkead. The 1850 Greene County, IL shows an Archie Kincaid, a. 19, living with Barbara Kincaid. Letters on Randy's Andrew and Archibald website indicate that Barbara was married to a William Kinkead in Kentucky. The gravestone for for A. G. Kinkead and Lucy gives this information: Dr. A. G. Kinkead Sept. 7, 1832 July 23, 1909 Lucy J. His Wife Aug. 28, 1838 Jan. 9, 1929 There is another record record for A. G. Kinkead (Archibald) and Guy H. Kinkead was listed with him, possibly as security. I will look for that record again Here is the obituary for Lucy Jane Kinkead that I found on ancestry.com Obit of Lucy Jane Booker Kinkead http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/39016492/person/19315224549/photox/81f4ed54-3e8b-4de8-a79d-dd08e1ff14b8?src=search .KINKAID, ARCHIBALD G BOOKER, LUCY 1853-07-21 001 0108 00003228 GREENE KINKEAD, GUY H PUNSLEY, MARTHA E (SEE PURSLEY) 1847-11-24 3 1191 MACOUPIN Greene County, IL Probate records 1852-1860 vol E https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17910-419-72?cc=1834344&wc=MDR8-V38:162587101,162644401 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-124642-83?cc=1834344&wc=MDR8-V38:162587101,162644401 What is interesting is that Archibald and Lucy also resided in Macoupin County, IL, bordering Greene County, and Archibald said that he was born in Christian County, KY, according to this record: Kinkead, A. G. Scottville Sctvlle Physician & Surgeon Christian Co., Ky. Kinkead, Lucy J. Booker Scottville Sctvlle w/o A.G. Kinkead Greene Co., IL http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilmaga/macoupin/1879pat/129.html Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Courtney Kahler Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:46 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois Think these folks are tied to my ancestor Guy H Kinkead but still haven't figure out how. I am going to have to make a trip to Kentucky at some point which is where Guy was born. But there should be some records with him in Greene Co, IL. Genealogy stuff has been low on the priority list right now, but hopefully I can get back into it later in the year. Courtney Kahler www.chainedheartjewelry.com ________________________________ From: Kim Kincaid <n2myroots@aol.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois Randall, I'll see if next time I can go to Greene County, IL and find the probate packet for George Kincaid to see if they have more than the books. Kim Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:18:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00) > From: Randall Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > > <25075520.1394306329374.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Kim, this is good new information. I do need to again correct the > information in Barbara's original post. In George Kincaid's Greene County, Illinois will/probate record Archibald Kincaid is NOT named as George's son. The record does specifically appoint his "wife, Polly" as executrix and it simply states that the blacksmith tools are bequested to "Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois". It would be wrong to assign Archibald as George's son as it seems likely that he is not. Where the will specifies the relationship to Polly, it is the lack of a specified relationship that makes it likely Archibald is not George's son. It could be a nephew, a cousin or other relationship or no relationship. The fact is that will does not specify any children whatsoever. > > This family group is likely to be part of the Andrew Kincaid/Martha > Townsley family. -----Original Message----- From: kincaid-request <kincaid-request@rootsweb.com> To: kincaid <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 10, 2014 2:12 am Subject: KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 44 Today's Topics: 1. Re: KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 43 (Luis Castillo Jr) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2014 10:35:08 -0700 From: Luis Castillo Jr <jeancsadler@me.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 43 To: "kincaid@rootsweb.com" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <F7E0D967-DD95-4EA6-97DB-5BCE438BA26E@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Searching info on William Kincaid, (Kinkead, Kinkade) the Patriot and his descendants. Any info would be helpful. Jean Sadle > On Mar 9, 2014, at 12:00 AM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois (Kim Kincaid) > 2. Re: Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois (Alice Gedge) > 3. Re: Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois (Randall Kincaid) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:25:15 -0500 (EST) > From: Kim Kincaid <n2myroots@aol.com> > Subject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D1090A80B9E0A2-1AA8-1C2F5@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I had the chance to stop at the Pike County Courthouse on my way home to Kansas. I checked the Probate Records for Kincaid's and found three packets. > >> From the papers in these packets I found the following information > > Probate Packet 732 - Archibald Kincaid > 1. Archibald died intestate, March of 1856. > 2. In July 1856, Albert St John was appointed administrator and > Archibald's heirs were listed as his wife Margaret and minor children Russell and Susan. > 3. A sale bill of household items is in the packet and the majority of > items were purchased by Elizabeth Johnson > 3. On 10 April 1857 the administrator reported that the estate was > insolvent and that Margaret was now deceased. There was a piece of property that was sold. > 4. On the promissory notes present in the probate packet, Archibald > Kincaid signed his name Arch or Archibald Kincaid. > > Probate Packet 365 - Minor, Russell Kincaid > - Elizabeth Johnson appointed Guardian of Russell & Susan Kincaid on 8 > Sept 1857 > > Probate Packet 374 - Minor, Susan Kincaid > - A document lists the dates of birth - Susan Kingcade born June 1852 & Russell Kingcade born 23 May 1850 > - William & Harrison Johnson appointed Guardians on 23 Dec 1868 > - Final Settlement 7 Oct 1871 signed by both Russell and Susan Kingcade > > 1870 Census Hardin, Pike, Illinois > living with the Washington Browdy Family > > Illinois Marriages > Archibald Kinkaid & Margaret Johnson 1 Dec 1842, Pike County, Illinois > > Missouri Marriages > Russell Kinkade & Mary E Thrush 23 Sept 1871, Audrain County, Illinois > > Russell moved to California and died Dec. 31, 1938 in Long Beach. He is Find A Grave memorial 103183488 Russell Kingcade > > Barbara Van Hout, in a post from 23 Aug 2013 states: > " The will of George Kincaid of Greene County, IL, dated Feb. 28, 1844, is written on the family search page below. His wife Polly Kincaid was the executrix. George gave everything to his wife Polly, and his son Archibald of Pike County, IL is the only child mentioned. Archibald was to received George's set of blacksmith tools. George had died by Oct. 21, 1844, according to these documents." https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-31031-28?cc=1834344&wc=M9MT-BZW:n1299987272 > > I hope this information will help someone. > > Kim Kincaid (Kit 122441) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 11:44:05 -0700 > From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@centurylink.net> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D443B956AF2B4134A78FA1DE7DF08485@OwnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > That was very kind of you, Kim. > > Alice Gedge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Kincaid > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 10:25 AM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois > > I had the chance to stop at the Pike County Courthouse on my way home to > Kansas. I checked the Probate Records for Kincaid's and found three > packets. > >> From the papers in these packets I found the following information > > Probate Packet 732 - Archibald Kincaid > 1. Archibald died intestate, March of 1856. > 2. In July 1856, Albert St John was appointed administrator and > Archibald's > heirs were listed as his wife Margaret and minor children Russell and > Susan. > 3. A sale bill of household items is in the packet and the majority of > items were purchased by Elizabeth Johnson > 3. On 10 April 1857 the administrator reported that the estate was > insolvent > and that Margaret was now deceased. There was a piece of property that > was > sold. > 4. On the promissory notes present in the probate packet, Archibald > Kincaid > signed his name Arch or Archibald Kincaid. > > Probate Packet 365 - Minor, Russell Kincaid > - Elizabeth Johnson appointed Guardian of Russell & Susan Kincaid on 8 > Sept > 1857 > > Probate Packet 374 - Minor, Susan Kincaid > - A document lists the dates of birth - Susan Kingcade born June 1852 & > Russell Kingcade born 23 May 1850 > - William & Harrison Johnson appointed Guardians on 23 Dec 1868 > - Final Settlement 7 Oct 1871 signed by both Russell and Susan Kingcade > > 1870 Census Hardin, Pike, Illinois > living with the Washington Browdy Family > > Illinois Marriages > Archibald Kinkaid & Margaret Johnson 1 Dec 1842, Pike County, Illinois > > Missouri Marriages > Russell Kinkade & Mary E Thrush 23 Sept 1871, Audrain County, Illinois > > Russell moved to California and died Dec. 31, 1938 in Long Beach. He is > Find A Grave memorial 103183488 Russell Kingcade > > Barbara Van Hout, in a post from 23 Aug 2013 states: > " The will of George Kincaid of Greene County, IL, dated Feb. 28, 1844, is > written on the family search page below. His wife Polly Kincaid was the > executrix. George gave everything to his wife Polly, and his son Archibald > of Pike County, IL is the only child mentioned. Archibald was to received > George's set of blacksmith tools. George had died by Oct. 21, 1844, > according to these documents." > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-31031-28?cc=1834344&wc=M9MT-BZW:n1299987272 > > I hope this information will help someone. > > Kim Kincaid (Kit 122441) > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:18:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00) > From: Randall Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > > <25075520.1394306329374.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Kim, this is good new information. I do need to again correct the > information in Barbara's original post. In George Kincaid's Greene County, Illinois will/probate record Archibald Kincaid is NOT named as George's son. The record does specifically appoint his "wife, Polly" as executrix and it simply states that the blacksmith tools are bequested to "Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois". It would be wrong to assign Archibald as George's son as it seems likely that he is not. Where the will specifies the relationship to Polly, it is the lack of a specified relationship that makes it likely Archibald is not George's son. It could be a nephew, a cousin or other relationship or no relationship. The fact is that will does not specify any children whatsoever. > > This family group is likely to be part of the Andrew Kincaid/Martha > Townsley family. > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Kim Kincaid <n2myroots@aol.com> >> Sent: Mar 8, 2014 10:25 AM >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois >> >> I had the chance to stop at the Pike County Courthouse on my way home to Kansas. I checked the Probate Records for Kincaid's and found three packets. >> >>> From the papers in these packets I found the following information >> >> Probate Packet 732 - Archibald Kincaid >> 1. Archibald died intestate, March of 1856. >> 2. In July 1856, Albert St John was appointed administrator and >> Archibald's heirs were listed as his wife Margaret and minor children Russell and Susan. >> 3. A sale bill of household items is in the packet and the majority of >> items were purchased by Elizabeth Johnson >> 3. On 10 April 1857 the administrator reported that the estate was >> insolvent and that Margaret was now deceased. There was a piece of property that was sold. >> 4. On the promissory notes present in the probate packet, Archibald >> Kincaid signed his name Arch or Archibald Kincaid. >> >> Probate Packet 365 - Minor, Russell Kincaid >> - Elizabeth Johnson appointed Guardian of Russell & Susan Kincaid on 8 >> Sept 1857 >> >> Probate Packet 374 - Minor, Susan Kincaid >> - A document lists the dates of birth - Susan Kingcade born June 1852 & Russell Kingcade born 23 May 1850 >> - William & Harrison Johnson appointed Guardians on 23 Dec 1868 >> - Final Settlement 7 Oct 1871 signed by both Russell and Susan Kingcade >> >> 1870 Census Hardin, Pike, Illinois >> living with the Washington Browdy Family >> >> Illinois Marriages >> Archibald Kinkaid & Margaret Johnson 1 Dec 1842, Pike County, Illinois >> >> Missouri Marriages >> Russell Kinkade & Mary E Thrush 23 Sept 1871, Audrain County, Illinois >> >> Russell moved to California and died Dec. 31, 1938 in Long Beach. He >> is Find A Grave memorial 103183488 Russell Kingcade >> >> Barbara Van Hout, in a post from 23 Aug 2013 states: >> " The will of George Kincaid of Greene County, IL, dated Feb. 28, 1844, >> is written on the family search page below. His wife Polly Kincaid was the executrix. George gave everything to his wife Polly, and his son Archibald of Pike County, IL is the only child mentioned. Archibald was to received George's set of blacksmith tools. George had died by Oct. 21, 1844, according to these documents." https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-31031-28?cc=1834344&wc=M9MT-BZW:n1299987272 >> >> I hope this information will help someone. >> >> Kim Kincaid (Kit 122441) >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to KINCAID@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 43 > ************************************** ------------------------------ To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. 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    03/18/2014 05:18:20
    1. [KINCAID] Quinquet - our Kincaid cousins in France
    2. Peter Kincaid

    3. Hello everyone, Charles Abbatucci finished his paper on ourn prominent Kincaid branch in France. They branched off in the 15th century so perhaps give us clues to our origins. The document is in pdf format and available at: http://data.over-blog-kiwi.com/0/94/33/67/20140313/ob_1c12b0_les-quinquet.pdf Great job Charles! Best wishes! Peter Kincaid

    03/13/2014 12:56:06
    1. Re: [KINCAID] William Kincaid marriages in Bath Co, KY
    2. Barbara Van Hout

    3. The land record for Barbara Kincaid in Macoupin County, IL indicates that she inherited, or was given, this land because of the death of her son William Larimore. Records show that William Larimore died in the Mexican War. "Know Ye, That in pursuance of the Act of Congress, entitled "An act to raise for a limited time an additional military force, and for other purposes" approved February 11th, 1847, Barbara Kinkead, mother and heir at law of William Larimore, deceased, late, a private in Captain Lee's Company, Second Regiment Illinois Volunteers, having deposited in the GENERAL LAND OFFICE a WARRANT in her favor, numbered 58.828. There is therefore granted by the United States, unto Benjamin Dorman assignee of said Barbara Kinkead, and to his heirs the East half of the South West quarter , (further description of the location....) containing one hundred and sixty-acres. Dated Dec. 21, 1850. In 1835, Barbara Kinkead bought 80 acres of land in Greene County, IL. Here is a website with the United States Bureau of Land Management records: http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/search/default.aspx Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Courtney Kahler Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:29 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] William Kincaid marriages in Bath Co, KY Oh here's a question then... So this William was married twice.. Could Polly then be the mother of Guy? Assuming this is the right grouping anyway that he belongs to. Because in that 1850 census Guy isn't living with Barbara. Perhaps she wasn't his mother, just a step-mother. But then that doesn't answer why Archie and Guy state they were born in Christian County KY since both of those William Kincaid marriages were in Bath County. Courtney Kahler www.chainedheartjewelry.com ________________________________ From: Randall Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] William Kincaid marriages in Bath Co, KY Also interesting to note the additional use of the name "Thomas." It appears to be, with "Andrew" and "Archibald," a common denominator across the A&A tree. This seems to be contributing to the possibility that Andrew & Archibald's father may have been named Thomas. It would appear that Archibald's son, William Kincaid, followed the order of oldest son, Thomas (with Polly Small), and next son, Archibald (with Barbara Neal). Although the name Guy is used in other Kincaid family groups, not closely related, Barbara's son, Guy, appears to be the first and only use of it in the A&A group. -----Original Message----- >From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> >Sent: Mar 12, 2014 7:08 PM >To: Judy Roth <jroth93947@yahoo.com>, kincaid@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [KINCAID] William Kincaid marriages in Bath Co, KY > >Here is the will of a Thomas Kincaid in Menard County, IL. The will is >dated 1853 but executed in Menard County in 1861. This is the same Thomas >who was living with James and Lucinda >Small in the 1850 Bath County, KY census. > >This Thomas J Kincaid a. 37 was one of two Thomas Kincaids in the 1860 >Menard County, IL census, living in the household >of Andrew Kincaid a. 75 b. PA and Ann P Kincaid, a. 72 b. KY. >The other Thomas, also a. 37, b. KY had a wife named Lucinda a. 32 and a >son >Lee a. 1. b. IL. >Completing this family was a William Kincaid, a. 15 and born KY. > >Thomas and Lucinda Kincaid were living with Andrew/Ann Kincaid in the 1850 >Menard County, IL census >while the other Thomas, of the will below, was living with James and >Lucinda >Small in the 1850 Bath Co, KY. census. > > >Will of Thomas Kincaid > >Record of Wills, Book "A" >Page 8 >Estate of Thomas Kincaid, deceased >I Thomas Kincaid of the County of Bath and State of Kentucky being of sound >mind and disposing memory, and knowing the uncertainty of life, with a view >do dispose of my worldly effects when I shall have no further use for them, >do make and publish this my last will and testament. > >And first I direct that any funeral expenses and all my just debts shall be >paid. > >Second, after that I will and bequeath to my beloved Aunt Lucinda Small all >my estate both real and personal or mixed and appoint her my sole >executrix; >and owing but few debts I request that she be permitted to qualify without >being required to give security. Witness my hand this 26th day of April >1853. >Thomas Kincaid > >Witness: >S.P. McNary >Jas. A. Ried > >I do solemnly swear that this writing contains the true last will and >testament of the within named Thomas Kincaid deceased so far as I know or >believe, and that I will well and truly execute the same by paying first >the >debts and then the legacies therein mentioned as far as his goods and >chattels will thereunto extend and the law charge me, and that I will make >a >true and perfect inventory of all such goods and chattels rights and >credits >as may come to my hands or knowledge belonging to the estate of the said >deceased; and render a fair and just account of my executorship when >thereunto required by law; to the best of my knowledge and abilities so >help >me God. >I.K. Kincaid > >Subscribed & sworn to before me this 16th day of Decr 1861 >Cornelius Rourke, clerk > >http://www.genealogytrails.com/ill/menard/wills/bookA/kincaid_t.html > > >Barbara > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Judy Roth >Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 6:16 PM >To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >Subject: [KINCAID] William Kincaid marriages in Bath Co, KY > >William Kincaid and Polly Small 1-10-1815 Bath Co, KY - her father George >Small >William Kincaid and Barbara Neal 1-14-1829 Bath Co, KY > >1820 Bath Co, KY, p174-21: 1 male 0-9, 1 male 18-25, 1 female 0-9, 1 female >16-25 >1830 Bath Co, KY, p225-11, 3 males 0-4, 2 males 5-9, 1 male 30-39, 2 >females 5-9, 1 female 30-39 > >James Small, son of George and brother of Polly, says some of her children >lived with members of the Small family. >He also says his sister Malinda Small married an Anderson Kincaid. Some >Kincaid birth dates are given in the account, but parents are not >identified. >John 1-17-1818, Eliza Jane 6-19-1820, Emily Ann 8-22-182l, Lucretia >11-17-1822, Thomas (no date), William Wesley 9-19-1827 > >Emily Ann may have married Cornelius Lyman 1-2-1838 Sangamon Co, IL, died >in >Still water MN 2-10-1878. >Lucretia may be with Mary Ann Kincaid Whitney, daughter of Andrew/Ann in >Menard Co in 1850. >There is a Thomas b12-1824 in James Small's household in 1850 Bath Co. > >For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > >www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > >www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/13/2014 07:13:19