Sue, Since Andrew and Ann Pogue died in Fleming Co, I would guess that early records for them might appear in Mason Co, KY. I agree, Andrew Kincaid and Mary Caldwell are most probably the family in the early Bourbon Co, KY records. If the 200 acres mentioned on Flat Run in 1788 is in present Bath county, it would be in the NW section of the County. I have not found any traces of the unknown Thomas except for the tax record and the census record. He could be the son of John and Margaret of Versailles. Do you have any idea of the origins of  this John Kincaid ? 1810 Montgomery Co, KY NTL  p379-42 John Kincaid 1 2 0 1 0 * 3 0 0 1 0 - same page George Rout, Moses Hendrix. Did he have a daughter Nancy Kincaid m Mose Rout 7-17-1823 Fleming Co?  Any relationship to David Kincaid p358-17: 0 0 1 1 1 * 0 2 1 0 0 (I haven't found records for him either) 1820 Bath Co, KY - Owingsville p188-34 John Kinkaid 1 0 0 3 1 0 * 1 1 1 0 1 David Kincaid 0 0 0 0 0 * 0 0 0 0 1  p150-29 - since the listing is for David,is the 1 in the wrong place here? 1830 Bath Co, KY - Owingsville p220-11 John Kingcade and wife 50-60, 1m 15-20, 1m 20-30 in the town of Owingsville p228-22 John Kincade and wife 50-60, 1m 15-20, 1m 20-30 (is this the same person re-counted in the district or an additional John?) 1830 Decatur Co, IN - Fugit Twp 406 Joseph K Rankin 30-40, wife Rebecca Kincaid 20-30 m 2-7-1825 Bath Co 408 Joseph Kinkade 2 males 30-40, wife Nancy Rogers 20-30, 1m 0-5, 1m 5-10, 1f 5-10 (brother David with him?)     m Nancy Rogery 9-9-1822 Bath Co 1840 Decatur Co, IN - Fugit Twp 74 Joseph Kincaid 40-50, wife 40-50 75 John Kincaid Sr 50-60, wife 60-70, 1m 20-30 75 John Kincaid Jr 20-30, wife 20-30 76 Joseph K Ranken 40-50, wife 30-40, 1m 10-15 1850 Decatur Co, IN - Fugit Twp 35 Hiram Kinkead 32 bKY, Nancy 26 bKY, James W 4 bIN, Malissa 2, John 4/12 78 Joseph Kincaid 53 bKY, Nancy 47 bKY, John 24 bKY, James 21 bIN and more 81 John Kincaid 37 bKY, Nancy E 25 bKY, Martha 9 bIN and more 82 David Kincaid 49 bKY, Nancy 40 bKY, William Rodgers 16 bIL, John C Kincaid 3 bIN, David 1 and Jane Reilly 50 bKY, deaf and dumb, Ellen Frazier 17 bK, Robert Jones 25 bVA black (hmmm - did you have to be named Nancy to marry into this family?) There are also records for Archibald Kincaid m Rebecca Thompson abt 1805 in Rowan Co,NC. They came to Bath Co 1816-1820. His father was James, mother Hannah. DNA says he is related to Andrew/Archibald. Robert Kincaid m Rebecca Evans came to Bath County about 1827 from Clark Co. I think Barbara thinks he is a possible son of John/Elizabeth Logan of Washington Co, VA. He had eleven children: daughters Margaret and Rhoda, and possibly Sally and Elizabeth. He had sons James, Joseph, Lot, Evan, Asa and John and possibly Charles by an unknown White. Judy   ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 11:43:27 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George Kincaid/Polly Heaton I think this Andrew may be Andrew m Mary Caldwell 1777 Botetourt Co. VA. Mary's father Samuel was living at the head of Indian Creek near what became Union, Monroe Co. WVA at the time. Mary's full brother James' MO estate papers do not mention a brother William, however, there was a William Caldwell who appears near Samuel Caldwell in VA. Some researchers believe that Samuel did have a son William. He may be the Capt. Andrew Kincaid who appears in KY with a tie to Greenbrier Co. (Monroe from Greenbrier from Botetourt).  He died in MO and his family was well known to James's administrator. Walter Caldwell was named in his 1/2 brother James' estate papers Capt. William & Eleanor Gay Kincaid's son Andrew m Ann Pogue. Capt. Wm d in Woodford Co KY. Andrew and Ann died in Fleming Co KY. June Lee Mefford Kinkead in "Our Kentucky Pioneers" gave a listing for the children of John/Margaret Kincaid of Versailles, Woodford Co. KY. John died in 1817. I have no idea where the listing came from or how accurate the added info is though I believe the children are named in his will. Could this be one of the Thomas's in Montgomery Co.? Joseph d 1822 m Nancy John Archibald m Priscilla McBride in 1792 James, lived in Woodford Co. Thomas, went to Montgomery Co. KY William d 1821 wife Elizabeth Jane m Davis, child: Preston Davis Archibald is a name that appears on the Great Calf Pasture River in Augusta Co. VA where Capt. Wm/Eleanor were from. There were 3 Archibald Kincaids in the Augusta/Bath Co. VA after 1800 so the name Archibald is not exclusive to the A & A family. John the Weaver sold part of his Calf Pasture land to a John/Margaret. My hypothesis is that this John/Margaret is the one in Versailles. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Roth" <jroth93947@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George Kincaid/Polly Heaton > Barbara, > I don't know who Polly Heaton's parents were, but I'd guess they were from > PA. I think George is the son of Archibald and Janet. I don't know which > Kincaid married a Heaton in MO. Maybe something here can help. > 10-21-1788 Bourbon Co, KY - William Caldwell and Andrew Kincaid witnessed > the sale of 200 acres on Flat Run by Manoah Singleton to Thomas Fletcher > in the pre-emption of Jacob Johnson to Manoah Singleton. I don't think > this is Andrew of Archibald/Andrew as he is on the 1790 Cumberland Co, PA > census. Andrew, son of Archibald, married Ann Patterson Caldwell > 8-13-1807. It appears two Andrew Kincaids had a relationship with William > Caldwell or two different William Caldwells. > > 1793 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List > John, David, Andrew Kincaid, John Townsley > John Townsley, brother of Janet and Martha, was living in Cynthiana, KY in > 1793. Brother Thomas Townsley joined him later, and brother George > Townsley joined them when they moved to Ohio abt 1801. They are all living > in Greene Co, OH, Xenia Twp in 1820. There is a John Heaton also living in > Xenia Twp. > 1795 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List: Andrew, Archibald, David, James, William and > Andrew Kincaid > I vaguely recall reading somewhere that William was the father of Andrew > and that Andrew's wife was Ann Pogue? > 1796 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List: Andrew, Archibald, David, Capt Andrew, > Andrew Sr, Joseph Kincaid > 1797 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List: David, Capt Andrew, Joseph Kincaid > David d1795 in Bourbon - did anyone ever find a marriage for his daughter > Mary? > Is Capt Andrew the one who moved to MO? If so, maybe the unknown Mary > Kincaid m John Caldwell 3-13-1803 is his daughter. > Joseph d1797 in Bourbon and William Martin and Walter Caldwell were > witnesses to his will. He married Jane Martin 6-25-1795 Harrison. > 1797 Montgomery Co, KY Tax List: David, Jonathan Kincaid > 1800 Montgomery Co, KY Tax List: Andrew, Archibald, David, John and Thomas > Kincaid > David:1810 Montgomery Co, KY census 358-17 - 0 0 1 1 1 * 0 2 1 0 0 - Was > one of his daughters named Mary? > I think John (not Archibald's son) moved to Decatur Co, IN about 1831: > 1810 Montgomery: 379-42 - 1 2 0 1 0 * 3 0 0 1 0 > I think Thomas is the unknown Thomas: 1810 Montgomery: 361-23 - 1 1 0 1 0 > * 0 1 1 0 0 or 374-22 - 1 1 0 1 0 * 1 0 0 1 0 (one m Mary Kincaid > 3-3-1800) > Archibald: 1810 Montgomery Co, KY censes: 354-22 - 0 2 0 0 1 * 0 1 0 1 0 > If this census is correct, Archibald's wife would have been born after > 1765. The 1790 household has four males born before 1774 including > Archibald and Andrew. Possibilities - the census is not correct, Archibald > had a wife before Janet, Janet died and he married again. > I think the 2 males 10-16 in the household are sons George born 1780-90 > and William born about 1793-94. > The daughter 10-16 is said to be Martha b1794-1800. Martha is said to have > married Richard Stone. Richard Stone is in the 1810 Montgomery Co census > page 354-13: 3 1 0 1 0 * 2 0 0 1 0. If this is the correct Richard and > Martha, both would have been born 1770-1790 and married about 1795 in PA > or KY. That would make Martha one of the unknown older daughters of > Archibald and Janet. They are not found in 1820, so the ages cannot be > checked. > I think the female 10-16 in Archibald's household may be ward Polly Heaton > rather than daughter Martha. > George and Polly are in the 1840 Greene Co census page 70-6. He is age > 50-60, she is age 40-50. They are not in the 1850 census. Archibald's son > William married Polly Small and Barbara Neal. William paid tax on land in > Bath County through 1835. I have not found them in 1840 or 1850. Nor have > I seen the actual land records in Greene Co,IL, but it looks like William > may have bought land but the deed was given to Barbara. In 1860 Greene Co, > IL, page 929-2078, Barbara is listed with son Archibald. Family 2079 is > headed by John Heaton 37, bPA (1812). > Judy > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:34:17 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] George Kincaid/Polly Heaton > > Judy, > You wrote that Archibald Kincaid of Montgomery/Bath counties in Kentucky > was the guardian of Polly Heaton. Who were her parents? I don't find a > Heaton family in the 1810 and 1820 censuses for Montgomery and Bath > counties of KY. If Archibald Kincaid was her guardian, then the George > Kincaid who married Polly was the son of Andrew/Martha or son of > Archibald/Janette? > > George Kincaid was in the 1830 Greene County, IL census. He was next to > James > Kincaid and William T. Kincaid---all of the Kincaids a. 40-50. Just above > them in the 1830 Greene Co, IL census were Andrew Hamilton a. 50-60 > (married > Elizabeth Kincaid--the census shows 1 F a. 50-60) and Thomas H Hamilton a. > 20-30, > 1 M under 5 and 1 F a. 20-30. > > > George Kincaid, 1830 Greene Co, IL census: > Males: > 2 under 5; 2 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 40-50 > Females: > 1 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 15-20; 1 a. 30-40. > > The 1830 Greene County, IL census shows a Heaton family----Orange B. > Heaton, born in Thetford, Orange County, Vermont. Was he a relative of > Polly Heaton? > > Information about Dr. Orange B. Heaton: > > Orange Barber Heaton, father-in-law of John Ebsworth Owsley, was born 28 > Oct 1802. in Thetford, Orange, VT and died in 1876. He was the son of > Orange Heaton I (1761-1843) and his second wife Jessimina Smith. Orange > Heaton I served as a private during the Revolutionary War in Olcott’s > Vermont Militia. > > The family is lisited on the 1810 census as residing in Thetford Vermont. > > In 1827 he received his medical degree from the University of Vermont. > > He married (1) Emily Bledsoe on 28 July 1829, daughter of Moses Owsley > Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor. > > Emily Bledsoe, the daughter of Moses Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor, > was born 31 March, 1811. > > Emily married Dr. Orange B. Heaton 28 July 1829 in St. Louis Missouri. > Soon after their marriage they moved to Illinois where Orange became a > "very significant land owner". Approximately 100 separate Illinois Public > Land Purchase Records are available on Ancestry.com. for Orange Heaton. > Orange B. Heaton’s name also appears in the legal papers of Abraham > Lincoln > > Their family is listed on the 1830, Greene, Illinois Census and on the > 1840 census for Carrollton, Illinois. Not much is known about their > marriage or their life after. > > More records here: > http://owsleytidepool.org/AncestralReflectionsMilancie/HeatonOrangeB.htm > > > This connection to the Owsley family may be important, because there was a > Kincaid marriage to an Owsley in Lincoln Co, KY in the mid-1800's. Who is > this John Kincaid, witness to the will of Samuel Owsley? > >>From the will of Samuel Owsley, 1851, Lincoln Co, KY > I do hereby constitute & appoint Samuel O. Middleton & my wife Eliza > Owsley Executor & executrix of this my last will & testament. In testimony > whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 24th day of July 1851. > Witness Samuel Owsley (seal) > Wm Pawling > John Craig > John Kincaid > Mary Carns > > http://www.owsleyfamily.org/owsleywills.html > > > > Barbara > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think this Andrew may be Andrew m Mary Caldwell 1777 Botetourt Co. VA. Mary's father Samuel was living at the head of Indian Creek near what became Union, Monroe Co. WVA at the time. Mary's full brother James' MO estate papers do not mention a brother William, however, there was a William Caldwell who appears near Samuel Caldwell in VA. Some researchers believe that Samuel did have a son William. He may be the Capt. Andrew Kincaid who appears in KY with a tie to Greenbrier Co. (Monroe from Greenbrier from Botetourt). He died in MO and his family was well known to James's administrator. Walter Caldwell was named in his 1/2 brother James' estate papers Capt. William & Eleanor Gay Kincaid's son Andrew m Ann Pogue. Capt. Wm d in Woodford Co KY. Andrew and Ann died in Fleming Co KY. June Lee Mefford Kinkead in "Our Kentucky Pioneers" gave a listing for the children of John/Margaret Kincaid of Versailles, Woodford Co. KY. John died in 1817. I have no idea where the listing came from or how accurate the added info is though I believe the children are named in his will. Could this be one of the Thomas's in Montgomery Co.? Joseph d 1822 m Nancy John Archibald m Priscilla McBride in 1792 James, lived in Woodford Co. Thomas, went to Montgomery Co. KY William d 1821 wife Elizabeth Jane m Davis, child: Preston Davis Archibald is a name that appears on the Great Calf Pasture River in Augusta Co. VA where Capt. Wm/Eleanor were from. There were 3 Archibald Kincaids in the Augusta/Bath Co. VA after 1800 so the name Archibald is not exclusive to the A & A family. John the Weaver sold part of his Calf Pasture land to a John/Margaret. My hypothesis is that this John/Margaret is the one in Versailles. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Roth" <jroth93947@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George Kincaid/Polly Heaton > Barbara, > I don't know who Polly Heaton's parents were, but I'd guess they were from > PA. I think George is the son of Archibald and Janet. I don't know which > Kincaid married a Heaton in MO. Maybe something here can help. > 10-21-1788 Bourbon Co, KY - William Caldwell and Andrew Kincaid witnessed > the sale of 200 acres on Flat Run by Manoah Singleton to Thomas Fletcher > in the pre-emption of Jacob Johnson to Manoah Singleton. I don't think > this is Andrew of Archibald/Andrew as he is on the 1790 Cumberland Co, PA > census. Andrew, son of Archibald, married Ann Patterson Caldwell > 8-13-1807. It appears two Andrew Kincaids had a relationship with William > Caldwell or two different William Caldwells. > > 1793 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List > John, David, Andrew Kincaid, John Townsley > John Townsley, brother of Janet and Martha, was living in Cynthiana, KY in > 1793. Brother Thomas Townsley joined him later, and brother George > Townsley joined them when they moved to Ohio abt 1801. They are all living > in Greene Co, OH, Xenia Twp in 1820. There is a John Heaton also living in > Xenia Twp. > 1795 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List: Andrew, Archibald, David, James, William and > Andrew Kincaid > I vaguely recall reading somewhere that William was the father of Andrew > and that Andrew's wife was Ann Pogue? > 1796 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List: Andrew, Archibald, David, Capt Andrew, > Andrew Sr, Joseph Kincaid > 1797 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List: David, Capt Andrew, Joseph Kincaid > David d1795 in Bourbon - did anyone ever find a marriage for his daughter > Mary? > Is Capt Andrew the one who moved to MO? If so, maybe the unknown Mary > Kincaid m John Caldwell 3-13-1803 is his daughter. > Joseph d1797 in Bourbon and William Martin and Walter Caldwell were > witnesses to his will. He married Jane Martin 6-25-1795 Harrison. > 1797 Montgomery Co, KY Tax List: David, Jonathan Kincaid > 1800 Montgomery Co, KY Tax List: Andrew, Archibald, David, John and Thomas > Kincaid > David:1810 Montgomery Co, KY census 358-17 - 0 0 1 1 1 * 0 2 1 0 0 - Was > one of his daughters named Mary? > I think John (not Archibald's son) moved to Decatur Co, IN about 1831: > 1810 Montgomery: 379-42 - 1 2 0 1 0 * 3 0 0 1 0 > I think Thomas is the unknown Thomas: 1810 Montgomery: 361-23 - 1 1 0 1 0 > * 0 1 1 0 0 or 374-22 - 1 1 0 1 0 * 1 0 0 1 0 (one m Mary Kincaid > 3-3-1800) > Archibald: 1810 Montgomery Co, KY censes: 354-22 - 0 2 0 0 1 * 0 1 0 1 0 > If this census is correct, Archibald's wife would have been born after > 1765. The 1790 household has four males born before 1774 including > Archibald and Andrew. Possibilities - the census is not correct, Archibald > had a wife before Janet, Janet died and he married again. > I think the 2 males 10-16 in the household are sons George born 1780-90 > and William born about 1793-94. > The daughter 10-16 is said to be Martha b1794-1800. Martha is said to have > married Richard Stone. Richard Stone is in the 1810 Montgomery Co census > page 354-13: 3 1 0 1 0 * 2 0 0 1 0. If this is the correct Richard and > Martha, both would have been born 1770-1790 and married about 1795 in PA > or KY. That would make Martha one of the unknown older daughters of > Archibald and Janet. They are not found in 1820, so the ages cannot be > checked. > I think the female 10-16 in Archibald's household may be ward Polly Heaton > rather than daughter Martha. > George and Polly are in the 1840 Greene Co census page 70-6. He is age > 50-60, she is age 40-50. They are not in the 1850 census. Archibald's son > William married Polly Small and Barbara Neal. William paid tax on land in > Bath County through 1835. I have not found them in 1840 or 1850. Nor have > I seen the actual land records in Greene Co,IL, but it looks like William > may have bought land but the deed was given to Barbara. In 1860 Greene Co, > IL, page 929-2078, Barbara is listed with son Archibald. Family 2079 is > headed by John Heaton 37, bPA (1812). > Judy > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:34:17 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] George Kincaid/Polly Heaton > > Judy, > You wrote that Archibald Kincaid of Montgomery/Bath counties in Kentucky > was the guardian of Polly Heaton. Who were her parents? I don't find a > Heaton family in the 1810 and 1820 censuses for Montgomery and Bath > counties of KY. If Archibald Kincaid was her guardian, then the George > Kincaid who married Polly was the son of Andrew/Martha or son of > Archibald/Janette? > > George Kincaid was in the 1830 Greene County, IL census. He was next to > James > Kincaid and William T. Kincaid---all of the Kincaids a. 40-50. Just above > them in the 1830 Greene Co, IL census were Andrew Hamilton a. 50-60 > (married > Elizabeth Kincaid--the census shows 1 F a. 50-60) and Thomas H Hamilton a. > 20-30, > 1 M under 5 and 1 F a. 20-30. > > > George Kincaid, 1830 Greene Co, IL census: > Males: > 2 under 5; 2 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 40-50 > Females: > 1 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 15-20; 1 a. 30-40. > > The 1830 Greene County, IL census shows a Heaton family----Orange B. > Heaton, born in Thetford, Orange County, Vermont. Was he a relative of > Polly Heaton? > > Information about Dr. Orange B. Heaton: > > Orange Barber Heaton, father-in-law of John Ebsworth Owsley, was born 28 > Oct 1802. in Thetford, Orange, VT and died in 1876. He was the son of > Orange Heaton I (1761-1843) and his second wife Jessimina Smith. Orange > Heaton I served as a private during the Revolutionary War in Olcott’s > Vermont Militia. > > The family is lisited on the 1810 census as residing in Thetford Vermont. > > In 1827 he received his medical degree from the University of Vermont. > > He married (1) Emily Bledsoe on 28 July 1829, daughter of Moses Owsley > Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor. > > Emily Bledsoe, the daughter of Moses Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor, > was born 31 March, 1811. > > Emily married Dr. Orange B. Heaton 28 July 1829 in St. Louis Missouri. > Soon after their marriage they moved to Illinois where Orange became a > "very significant land owner". Approximately 100 separate Illinois Public > Land Purchase Records are available on Ancestry.com. for Orange Heaton. > Orange B. Heaton’s name also appears in the legal papers of Abraham > Lincoln > > Their family is listed on the 1830, Greene, Illinois Census and on the > 1840 census for Carrollton, Illinois. Not much is known about their > marriage or their life after. > > More records here: > http://owsleytidepool.org/AncestralReflectionsMilancie/HeatonOrangeB.htm > > > This connection to the Owsley family may be important, because there was a > Kincaid marriage to an Owsley in Lincoln Co, KY in the mid-1800's. Who is > this John Kincaid, witness to the will of Samuel Owsley? > >>From the will of Samuel Owsley, 1851, Lincoln Co, KY > I do hereby constitute & appoint Samuel O. Middleton & my wife Eliza > Owsley Executor & executrix of this my last will & testament. In testimony > whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 24th day of July 1851. > Witness Samuel Owsley (seal) > Wm Pawling > John Craig > John Kincaid > Mary Carns > > http://www.owsleyfamily.org/owsleywills.html > > > > Barbara > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I hope someone can help me. I am interested in any information on Charles Kinkead of Strabane, date of birth & death immediate family etc . I am researching him for one of my antique classes, I have a mahogany tall clock with his name and Strabane engraved on the dial and would appreciate any help you could offer about this clockmaker. Thank You Joe Cohen, Antique Class Instructor Broward County Public Schools Adult Education Ft. Lauderdale Florida USA

Barbara, Sorry, made an error - that's what I get for thinking about two people at the same time. Polly Heaton m George Kincaid 9-15-1812 was the ward of William Caldwell Cassandra Ross m William Miller 9-28-1813 was the ward of Archibald Kincaid I think Cassandra Ross was the female 10-16 in Archibald's 1810 household. 1810 Montgomery Co, KY page 365-12 William Miller 0 0 1 0 0 * 0 0 0 0 1 1820 Bath Co, KY page 174-27 William Miller 2 0 0 0 1 0 * 1 0 1 0 0 1820 Bath Co, KY page 174-21 William Kinkaid 1 0 0 1 0 0 * 1 0 1 00 (Archibald's son) Judy ----- Original Message ---- From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:34:17 AM Subject: [KINCAID] George Kincaid/Polly Heaton Judy, You wrote that Archibald Kincaid of Montgomery/Bath counties in Kentucky was the guardian of Polly Heaton.  Who were her parents?  I don't find a Heaton family in the 1810 and 1820 censuses for Montgomery and Bath counties of KY.  If Archibald Kincaid was her guardian, then the George Kincaid who married Polly was the son of Andrew/Martha or son of Archibald/Janette? George Kincaid was in the 1830 Greene County, IL census.  He was next to James Kincaid and William T. Kincaid---all of the Kincaids a. 40-50.  Just above them in the 1830 Greene Co, IL census were Andrew Hamilton a. 50-60 (married Elizabeth Kincaid--the census shows 1 F a. 50-60) and Thomas H Hamilton a. 20-30, 1 M under 5 and 1 F a. 20-30. George Kincaid, 1830 Greene Co, IL census: Males: 2 under 5; 2 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 40-50 Females: 1 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 15-20; 1 a. 30-40. The 1830 Greene County, IL census shows a Heaton family----Orange B. Heaton, born in Thetford, Orange County, Vermont.  Was he a relative of Polly Heaton? Information about Dr. Orange B. Heaton: Orange Barber Heaton, father-in-law of John Ebsworth Owsley, was born 28 Oct 1802. in Thetford, Orange, VT and died in 1876. He was the son of Orange Heaton I (1761-1843) and his second wife Jessimina Smith. Orange Heaton I served as a private during the Revolutionary War in Olcott’s Vermont Militia. The family is lisited on the 1810 census as residing in Thetford Vermont. In 1827 he received his medical degree from the University of Vermont.  He married (1) Emily Bledsoe on 28 July 1829, daughter of Moses Owsley Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor.  Emily Bledsoe, the daughter of Moses Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor, was born 31 March, 1811. Emily married Dr. Orange B. Heaton 28 July 1829 in St. Louis Missouri. Soon after their marriage they moved to Illinois where Orange became a "very significant land owner". Approximately 100 separate Illinois Public Land Purchase Records are available on Ancestry.com. for Orange Heaton. Orange B. Heaton’s name also appears in the legal papers of Abraham Lincoln Their family is listed on the 1830, Greene, Illinois Census and on the 1840 census for Carrollton, Illinois. Not much is known about their marriage or their life after. More records here: http://owsleytidepool.org/AncestralReflectionsMilancie/HeatonOrangeB.htm This connection to the Owsley family may be important, because there was a Kincaid marriage to an Owsley in Lincoln Co, KY in the mid-1800's.  Who is this John Kincaid, witness to the will of Samuel Owsley? >From the will of Samuel Owsley, 1851, Lincoln Co, KY I do hereby constitute & appoint Samuel O. Middleton & my wife Eliza Owsley Executor & executrix of this my last will & testament. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 24th day of July 1851.   Witness                                                                                                              Samuel Owsley (seal) Wm Pawling John Craig John Kincaid Mary Carns http://www.owsleyfamily.org/owsleywills.html Barbara To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue,   I think this William is the son of Archibald and Janet. He married Polly Small 1-10-1815 in Bath County. He married Barbara Neal 1-14-1829 in Bath County. William probably died 1835-40 in KY or IL. Barbara is living in Greene Co, IL in 1860 with a son Archibald b abt 1835 KY.   1830 Bath County - page 225-11 William and wife age 30-40, 3 males 0-5, 2 males 5-10, 2 females 5-10   Small family researchers say Polly's children were raised by several Smalls. Family records listed Polly's children as: John b1-17-1818 Eliza Jane b6-19-1820 Emily Ann b8-22-1821 m Cornelius Lyman 1-28-1840 Sangamon Co, IL Lucretia b11-17-1822 Thomas b12-1824 (with James and Lucinda Small in 1850 Bath) William Wesley b9-19-1827   This list does not account for all the children in the 1830 household. Small records also say: Anderson Kincaid married Malinda Small (b1802) in 1821. William Small (b1807) married abt 1830 Laura Kincaid (b1810). I have no records for these families and I don't know the parents of the Kincaids. Judy   ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:56:37 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin It doesn't look like George/Polly Heaton has anything to do with the family tracked by these censuses. The age fits with George C./Johanna. Samuel B with daughter Johanna is consistent with what you would expect a child of this couple and his daughter be named. The censuses are tracking the same George from 1810-1830. There is a William in the 1820 census. He lives in the same district as George in Bath Co. 1/0/0/1/0/1*1/2/0/1/0. He is not the brother of George/Johanna as George's brother William is still back in Greenbrier Co. This William is still there in 1830 age 30-40. 3/2/0/0/0/1/0*0/2/0/0/0/1/0/0/0. Anyone have any idea who is might be? He could be the father of the John and James below. It looks like George died between 1830 and 1840. Johanna would be the female 50-60 in Willis's 1840 household and sister Mary is the female 30-40. By 1850 Johannah is no longer there but sister Mary age 46 is. Did Johannah die or did she move in with daughter Elizabeth and her husband Abram Beckner or perhaps the missing daughter. The Baldwin family suggests that she d prior to 1869. Where that came from isn't given so she may have died quite awhile earlier. She didn't move in with Samuel B. He is in the 1850 Nicholas census 9 names away from Willis. F. Samuel B. Kincaid age 41 b VA with Nancy age 39 KY, William 19 KY, Mary E 16 KY, Johanna 12 KY, Martha A 9 KY, Malinda E 6 KY, Charles T 3 KY and Sarah J 2/12 KY In 1850 Nicholas Co. there are 2 Kincaids not close to Samuel and Willis. John age 36 KY with Pamela age 31 KY, William 6 KY, Andrew 4 KY, Polly 1 KY and an aged George couple b in NC who could be Pamela's parents. James age 36 KY with Eliza J age 25 KY, Ann 8 KY, Alice 7 KY, Susan 2 KY, John W. 1/12 KY Either one of these could be the missing male. Or the missing male could have died or left the area. The unknown daughter should have married sometime in the 1830's if she followed normal patterns. Anyone know anything about any of the families in these censuses? Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Roth" <jroth93947@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > 1810 Montgomery Co, KY -NTL > 356-16 George Kincaid 1 0 0 1 0 * 2 0 1 0 0 > 1820 Bath County, KY - Bloomfield > 184-22 George Kinkade 3 1 0 0 0 1 * 1 2 0 1 0 > Note: George married Polly Heaton 9-15-1812 Bath Co (her guardian > Archibald Kincaid) appears in the Greene Co, IL 1830 census age 40-50 with > no children born before 1815-1820 > 1830 Nicholas Co, KY - NTL > 201-23 George Kincaid 50-60, wife 40-50, 2m 15-20, 1f 10-15, 1f 20-30 > 1840 Nicholas Co, KY NTL > 60-11 Samuel B Kincaid 30-40, wife 20-30, 1m 5-10, 1f 0-5, 1f 5-10 > 64-28 Willis Kincaid 20-30, 1f 20-30, 1f30-40, 1f 50-60 > 73-20 William C 20-30, wife 15-20 > 1850 Nicholas Co, KY - 1st District > 456-130 Willis F Kincaid 39, Julian 27, William B 4, Mary J 1, Mary 46 > 457-139 Samuel B Kincaid 41bVA, Nancy 39, William B 19, Mary E 16, > Johannah 12, Martha A 9, Malinda E 6, Charles T 3, Sarah J 2/12 > There are two unplaced Kincaids in 1850 Nicholas Co > 471-336 John Kincaid 36 (b1813 KY), Pamela 31, William 6, Andrew 4, Polly > 1 > 492-658 James Kincaid 36 (b1813 KY), Eliza J 25, Ann 8, Alice 7, Susan 2, > John W 7/12 > 1860 Nicholas Co, KY - Buzzard Roost P O > 344-482 Willis Kincaid 49, Julia 37, W B 14, Mary 10, T W 9, Mary Kincaid > 57 (idiot) > 1870 Nicholas Co, KY > 305-178 Julia Kincaid 44, Benjamin 23, Mary 20, Alice 8 - Julia married > Henry Johnson > Ben may also listed in Fleming Co, Sherburne Dist as age 20, laborer for > Benjamin Holland 85 bMD? > Possible Children > Mary b1804 > Elizabeth b1806 married Abram Beckner 3-26-1823 Bath Co, KY, moved to > Warren Co, IL - see bio George W. Beckner > Samuel B b1808 married Nancy Powell, moved to Pettis Co, MO, 2nd > marriage - forgot to copy and didn’t note source > Willis F b1810 married Julia Ann Holland 8-15-1842 > William C b1812 married about 1840 - not found 1850 > Unknown Son born about 1814 - not in household 1830 > Unknown Daughter born about 1816 - not in household 1850 > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:29:31 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > > Are there any stray (non A & A) Montgomery Co. KY Kincaids that could be > children to George C. Kincaid & Johannah Baldwin? > > Since Johannah's father was in Montgomery Co. before 1805, the 1802 Howe > marriage between George & Johannah Morris Baldwin appears to be that of > George Cambell Kincaid, son of Thomas/Hannah. It looks like after the > wedding they returned to Muddy Creek in Greenbrier Co. VA until 1809 when > they sold out and moved to KY. According to Randy's March 27, 2005 post a > George appears in the 1810 Montgomery Co. KY Census p356 Line 16 > 1 m under 10 (b 1799-1811) > 1 m 26-44 (b 1765-1784) > 2 f under 10 (b 1799-1811) > 1 f 16-25 (b 1783-1794) > > The adult female is consistent with Johannah's reported birthdate of 1784. > George 1st appears with Thomas/Hannah, Thomas, Francis, Samuel, and John > on > the tax roles in Greenbrier Co. VA on Arpil 17, 1795 which means a birth > year around 1774. This is consistent with the above adult male. > Three children under 10 is consistent with an 1802 marriage date. > > Can this family be found in 1820? Johannah reportedly died prior 1869. > This > means she may be in the 1850 and 1860 censuses with or without George. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:06 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > > >> The Joe McGlynn who wrote this message appears to know a lot about the >> family. >> >> "If anyone is researching Samuel Baldwin in Botetourt County, Virginia, >> during the years 1774-1798, please contact me. >> Samuel Baldwin married Mary Wills in 1778, and had eight children. Mary >> Wills Baldwin filed the inventory of Samuel Baldwin's will in Montgomery >> County, Kentucky in 1805. >> Thanks >> Joe McGlynn" >> >> >> Here is a compilation of Samuel Ford/Baldwin's children and their >> wives---notice that Samuel's children by his wife >> Grace, when they lived in New Jersey, had the last name of 'Ford'. When >> Samuel moved to Botetourt Co, VA and changed his name to 'Baldwin', his >> mother's maiden name, the children born in Virginia with Mary Wills had >> the >> last name of Baldwin. See this site for Samuel's children with Ford >> surname. >> http://www.morrisswadener.com/notes.html >> >> How do these names compare with those in the lawsuit with Thomas >> Kincaid's >> heirs? >> >> *2nd Wife of [4] Samuel Ford: >> .+Mary Wills d: Abt. 1811 >> 2 Elizabeth Baldwin b: Abt. 1779 d: Bef. 1869 >> .+Robert Harrah >> 2 Sarah Baldwinb: Abt. 1781d: Bef. 1869 >> .+Richard Collins >> 2 William Baldwinb: Abt. 1782 d: February 27, 1853 >> 2 Johannah Morris Baldwin b: Abt. 1784 d: Bef. 1869 >> .+George Kincaid >> 2 Thomas Lewis Baldwin b: 1785 d: 1872 >> .+Elizabeth Cobb >> 2 Mary Jane Baldwin b: June 10, 1789 d: December 27, 1832 >> .+James Wills >> 2 Charity Baldwin b: Abt. 1790 d: March 03, 1849 >> .+Dawson Haggard >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:32 PM >> Subject: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin >> >> >>> Barb has come up with some interesting information that may shed some >>> light >>> on the Baldwin family. There are some questions that aren't answered and >>> a >>> few problems and the infamous Samuel Ford may not be the Samuel Baldwin >>> referred to in the last couple of items. The will of Samuel Baldwin >>> evidently notes that his daughter is Hannah Morris. I am wondering if >>> the >>> 1802 Howe marriage of George Kincaid and Johanna Morris Baldwin should >>> not >>> have a "nee" between Morris and Baldwin in her name. The names in the >>> will >>> of Samuel Baldwin do not exactly match the heirs listed in the court >>> case. >>> One would need to see the actual will as "Annette" seems to editoralize >>> a >>> bit in her reporting. The date of the land sale on Catawba by Samuel's >>> heirs >>> and the date of the original suit are both Nov, 1811. >>> >>> Sue Liedtke >>> >>>>From Ford-L Archives 23 Jan 2006 >>> 210 Samuel Ford, b. Hanover, N. J., ca. 1735, will codicil dated 28 Jan. >>> 1793 and admitted to probate in Botetourt Co., Va. in Sept. 1793 >>> m. Hanover, N. J., 20 Jan. 1757 >>> 211 Grace Kitchell, b. about 1741, d. 7 Nov. 1818 >>> >>> 420 Samuel Ford, b. Woodbridge, N. J., 11 Oct. 1709, d. Hanover, N. J., >>> 11 >>> Aug. 1752 >>> m. Hanover, N. J., ca. 1732 >>> 421 Sarah Baldwin, b. Newark, N. J., 20 July 1707 (or 22 July 1709), d. >>> Hanover, N. J., 20 April 1787 (or 22 April 1789) >>> ___________ >>> >>> A follow up to the above. >>> >>> Interesting fellow this Samuel Ford. Anybody know more?? >>> The one blot on the Kitchel family record is that Grace, daughter of >>> Joseph >>> Kitchel and Rachel Bates, married Samuel Ford. Samuel Ford was the son >>> of >>> outstanding >>> family in Morristown, hosts to George Washington when he spent the >>> winter >>> in >>> Morristown. The son was quite a clever forger and did a good job of >>> disabling >>> the new Republic by creating the Panic of 1793 with his printed money. >>> When >>> he >>> was found out, he skipped to Ireland and married (without benefit of a >>> divorce) >>> and had 3 children. He returned again in the later days of the war and >>> continued >>> his currency deals and again was at the point of being caught. So taking >>> his >>> mother's maiden name Baldwin, he retired to the wilds of Virginia where >>> he >>> married >>> again (without divorce) and became the patriarch of some prominent >>> families >>> of >>> Virginia. Samuel Ford's line is also the line whose descendants include >>> the >>> wife >>> of a president and the mother of the current president of the United >>> States. >>> >>> -2 416 5-1 m 20Jan1757 Hanover NJ Samuel FORD b Abt 1735 >>> Hanover NJ son Samuel FORD and Sarah BALDWIN, >>> notorious counterfeiter 1793; d Lewisburg >>> GreenbrierCo VA, alias Samuel BALDWIN >>> -2 416 5-1-2 m VA ?______ ?______ (bigamous, alias BALDWIN) >>> >>> ___________ >>> >>>>From a WV usgenweb page for the family of Annette >>> BALDWIN, Samuel--died ca 1793 Botetourt Co., Virginia, will pro Sept >>> 1793, >>> married first --- --; >>> married 2nd Mary WILLS; from Pennsylvania? >>> by first wife: >>> unnamed in will, living in Pennsylvania >>> Charity >>> by 2nd wife: >>> Elizabeth >>> Sarah >>> William (have sheet) >>> Joseph (have sheet) >>> Hannah--married --- MORRIS >>> Thomas Lewis (have sheet) >>> Alexander (have sheet) >>> Botetourt Co., Virginia Wills >>> ____________________ >>> >>> Chancery Court Case 145 Greenbrier Co. WV - Baldwin heirs vs Kincaid &c >>> Nov. 9, 1816 >>> ---Robert Harrow and Elizabeth his wife late Elilzabeth Baldwin, George >>> Kincaid & Johanah his wife late Johannah Baldwin, William Baldwin, >>> Thomas >>> Baldwin, James Wills and Jane his wife, late Jane Baldwin and Charity >>> Baldwin, an infant under the age of twenty one years who sues by said >>> William Baldwin her next friend respectfully represents that on the >>> ____Day >>> of November in the year 1811 they filed their original bill in your >>> honorable court.---- >>> >>> This case involves the heirs of Samuel Baldwin vs Thomas Kincaid. The >>> case >>> is continued after Thomas's death naming the heirs of Thomas. This item >>> from >>> the University of Tennessee Special Collection Library gives the most >>> details as to heirs. The continuance of the court records names the same >>> heirs plus Hannah, widow of Thomas. >>> Baldwin heirs vs Kincad, heirs of Thomas Kincaid dcd. >>> John Kincaid (lives Nicholas) >>> Samuel Kincaid (lives Greenbr) >>> Thomas Kincaid (Indiana, Madison Township) >>> Francis Kincaid (same, ditto) >>> George Kincaid (is one of the pltffs) >>> William Kincaid (Greenbr County) >>> Charles Harra & Margaret his wife (Greenbr) >>> Elizabeth Harra (widow-Greenbr) >>> >>> Have ??? these persons as children & heirs of Thos Kincaid dcd. >>> >>> __________________ >>> >>> On 26 November 1811 Richard put out a lot of money and bought a lot of >>> land. >>> For $2299 he bought from the eight heirs of Samuel Baldwin a 418-acre >>> tract >>> on Catawba Creek, a branch of the James River.[9] Neighbors with >>> adjoining >>> land listed in the plat description were Matthew Harvey,[10] William >>> Greenwood, Kessler, and Sivert. Twenty years later Richard would buy an >>> additional 152 acres (one record says 165 acres) adjoining his 1811 >>> purchase. The 418-acre tract had been owned by Samuel Baldwin since >>> 1779, >>> and upon Baldwin's death his children had moved to Montgomery County, >>> Kentucky, and wanted to sell the land they had inherited. >>> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/u/t/Thomas-K-Butt/FILE/0001page.html >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, I don't know who Polly Heaton's parents were, but I'd guess they were from PA. I think George is the son of Archibald and Janet. I don't know which Kincaid married a Heaton in MO. Maybe something here can help. 10-21-1788 Bourbon Co, KY - William Caldwell and Andrew Kincaid witnessed the sale of 200 acres on Flat Run by Manoah Singleton to Thomas Fletcher in the pre-emption of Jacob Johnson to Manoah Singleton. I don't think this is Andrew of Archibald/Andrew as he is on the 1790 Cumberland Co, PA census. Andrew, son of Archibald, married Ann Patterson Caldwell 8-13-1807. It appears two Andrew Kincaids had a relationship with William Caldwell or two different William Caldwells. 1793 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List John, David, Andrew Kincaid, John Townsley John Townsley, brother of Janet and Martha, was living in Cynthiana, KY in 1793. Brother Thomas Townsley joined him later, and brother George Townsley joined them when they moved to Ohio abt 1801. They are all living in Greene Co, OH, Xenia Twp in 1820. There is a John Heaton also living in Xenia Twp. 1795 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List: Andrew, Archibald, David, James, William and Andrew Kincaid I vaguely recall reading somewhere that William was the father of Andrew and that Andrew's wife was Ann Pogue? 1796 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List:  Andrew, Archibald, David, Capt Andrew, Andrew Sr, Joseph Kincaid 1797 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List:  David, Capt Andrew, Joseph Kincaid David d1795 in Bourbon - did anyone ever find a marriage for his daughter Mary? Is Capt Andrew the one who moved to MO? If so, maybe the unknown Mary Kincaid m John Caldwell 3-13-1803 is his daughter. Joseph d1797 in Bourbon and William Martin and Walter Caldwell were witnesses to his will. He married Jane Martin 6-25-1795 Harrison. 1797 Montgomery Co, KY Tax List: David, Jonathan Kincaid 1800 Montgomery Co, KY Tax List: Andrew, Archibald, David, John and Thomas Kincaid David:1810 Montgomery Co, KY census 358-17 - 0 0 1 1 1 * 0 2 1 0 0 - Was one of his daughters named Mary? I think John (not Archibald's son) moved to Decatur Co, IN about 1831: 1810 Montgomery: 379-42 -  1 2 0 1 0 * 3 0 0 1 0 I think Thomas is the unknown Thomas: 1810 Montgomery: 361-23 -  1 1 0 1 0 * 0 1 1 0 0 or 374-22 - 1 1 0 1 0 * 1 0 0 1 0 (one m Mary Kincaid 3-3-1800) Archibald: 1810 Montgomery Co, KY censes: 354-22 -  0 2 0 0 1 * 0 1 0 1 0 If this census is correct, Archibald's wife would have been born after 1765. The 1790 household has four males born before 1774 including Archibald and Andrew. Possibilities - the census is not correct, Archibald had a wife before Janet, Janet died and he married again.  I think the 2 males 10-16 in the household are sons George born 1780-90 and William born about 1793-94. The daughter 10-16 is said to be Martha b1794-1800. Martha is said to have married Richard Stone. Richard Stone is in the 1810 Montgomery Co census page 354-13: 3 1 0 1 0 * 2 0 0 1 0. If this is the correct Richard and Martha, both would have been born 1770-1790 and married about 1795 in PA or KY. That would make Martha one of the unknown older daughters of Archibald and Janet. They are not found in 1820, so the ages cannot be checked. I think the female 10-16 in Archibald's household may be ward Polly Heaton rather than daughter Martha. George and Polly are in the 1840 Greene Co census page 70-6. He is age 50-60, she is age 40-50. They are not in the 1850 census. Archibald's son William married Polly Small and Barbara Neal. William paid tax on land in Bath County through 1835. I have not found them in 1840 or 1850. Nor have I seen the actual land records in Greene Co,IL, but it looks like William may have bought land but the deed was given to Barbara. In 1860 Greene Co, IL, page 929-2078, Barbara is listed with son Archibald. Family 2079 is headed by John Heaton 37, bPA (1812). Judy ----- Original Message ---- From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:34:17 AM Subject: [KINCAID] George Kincaid/Polly Heaton Judy, You wrote that Archibald Kincaid of Montgomery/Bath counties in Kentucky was the guardian of Polly Heaton.  Who were her parents?  I don't find a Heaton family in the 1810 and 1820 censuses for Montgomery and Bath counties of KY.  If Archibald Kincaid was her guardian, then the George Kincaid who married Polly was the son of Andrew/Martha or son of Archibald/Janette? George Kincaid was in the 1830 Greene County, IL census.  He was next to James Kincaid and William T. Kincaid---all of the Kincaids a. 40-50.  Just above them in the 1830 Greene Co, IL census were Andrew Hamilton a. 50-60 (married Elizabeth Kincaid--the census shows 1 F a. 50-60) and Thomas H Hamilton a. 20-30, 1 M under 5 and 1 F a. 20-30. George Kincaid, 1830 Greene Co, IL census: Males: 2 under 5; 2 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 40-50 Females: 1 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 15-20; 1 a. 30-40. The 1830 Greene County, IL census shows a Heaton family----Orange B. Heaton, born in Thetford, Orange County, Vermont.  Was he a relative of Polly Heaton? Information about Dr. Orange B. Heaton: Orange Barber Heaton, father-in-law of John Ebsworth Owsley, was born 28 Oct 1802. in Thetford, Orange, VT and died in 1876. He was the son of Orange Heaton I (1761-1843) and his second wife Jessimina Smith. Orange Heaton I served as a private during the Revolutionary War in Olcott’s Vermont Militia. The family is lisited on the 1810 census as residing in Thetford Vermont. In 1827 he received his medical degree from the University of Vermont.  He married (1) Emily Bledsoe on 28 July 1829, daughter of Moses Owsley Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor.  Emily Bledsoe, the daughter of Moses Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor, was born 31 March, 1811. Emily married Dr. Orange B. Heaton 28 July 1829 in St. Louis Missouri. Soon after their marriage they moved to Illinois where Orange became a "very significant land owner". Approximately 100 separate Illinois Public Land Purchase Records are available on Ancestry.com. for Orange Heaton. Orange B. Heaton’s name also appears in the legal papers of Abraham Lincoln Their family is listed on the 1830, Greene, Illinois Census and on the 1840 census for Carrollton, Illinois. Not much is known about their marriage or their life after. More records here: http://owsleytidepool.org/AncestralReflectionsMilancie/HeatonOrangeB.htm This connection to the Owsley family may be important, because there was a Kincaid marriage to an Owsley in Lincoln Co, KY in the mid-1800's.  Who is this John Kincaid, witness to the will of Samuel Owsley? >From the will of Samuel Owsley, 1851, Lincoln Co, KY I do hereby constitute & appoint Samuel O. Middleton & my wife Eliza Owsley Executor & executrix of this my last will & testament. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 24th day of July 1851.   Witness                                                                                                              Samuel Owsley (seal) Wm Pawling John Craig John Kincaid Mary Carns http://www.owsleyfamily.org/owsleywills.html Barbara To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, You wrote that Archibald Kincaid of Montgomery/Bath counties in Kentucky was the guardian of Polly Heaton. Who were her parents? I don't find a Heaton family in the 1810 and 1820 censuses for Montgomery and Bath counties of KY. If Archibald Kincaid was her guardian, then the George Kincaid who married Polly was the son of Andrew/Martha or son of Archibald/Janette? George Kincaid was in the 1830 Greene County, IL census. He was next to James Kincaid and William T. Kincaid---all of the Kincaids a. 40-50. Just above them in the 1830 Greene Co, IL census were Andrew Hamilton a. 50-60 (married Elizabeth Kincaid--the census shows 1 F a. 50-60) and Thomas H Hamilton a. 20-30, 1 M under 5 and 1 F a. 20-30. George Kincaid, 1830 Greene Co, IL census: Males: 2 under 5; 2 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 40-50 Females: 1 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 15-20; 1 a. 30-40. The 1830 Greene County, IL census shows a Heaton family----Orange B. Heaton, born in Thetford, Orange County, Vermont. Was he a relative of Polly Heaton? Information about Dr. Orange B. Heaton: Orange Barber Heaton, father-in-law of John Ebsworth Owsley, was born 28 Oct 1802. in Thetford, Orange, VT and died in 1876. He was the son of Orange Heaton I (1761-1843) and his second wife Jessimina Smith. Orange Heaton I served as a private during the Revolutionary War in Olcott’s Vermont Militia. The family is lisited on the 1810 census as residing in Thetford Vermont. In 1827 he received his medical degree from the University of Vermont. He married (1) Emily Bledsoe on 28 July 1829, daughter of Moses Owsley Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor. Emily Bledsoe, the daughter of Moses Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor, was born 31 March, 1811. Emily married Dr. Orange B. Heaton 28 July 1829 in St. Louis Missouri. Soon after their marriage they moved to Illinois where Orange became a "very significant land owner". Approximately 100 separate Illinois Public Land Purchase Records are available on Ancestry.com. for Orange Heaton. Orange B. Heaton’s name also appears in the legal papers of Abraham Lincoln Their family is listed on the 1830, Greene, Illinois Census and on the 1840 census for Carrollton, Illinois. Not much is known about their marriage or their life after. More records here: http://owsleytidepool.org/AncestralReflectionsMilancie/HeatonOrangeB.htm This connection to the Owsley family may be important, because there was a Kincaid marriage to an Owsley in Lincoln Co, KY in the mid-1800's. Who is this John Kincaid, witness to the will of Samuel Owsley? >From the will of Samuel Owsley, 1851, Lincoln Co, KY I do hereby constitute & appoint Samuel O. Middleton & my wife Eliza Owsley Executor & executrix of this my last will & testament. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 24th day of July 1851. Witness Samuel Owsley (seal) Wm Pawling John Craig John Kincaid Mary Carns http://www.owsleyfamily.org/owsleywills.html Barbara

It doesn't look like George/Polly Heaton has anything to do with the family tracked by these censuses. The age fits with George C./Johanna. Samuel B with daughter Johanna is consistent with what you would expect a child of this couple and his daughter be named. The censuses are tracking the same George from 1810-1830. There is a William in the 1820 census. He lives in the same district as George in Bath Co. 1/0/0/1/0/1*1/2/0/1/0. He is not the brother of George/Johanna as George's brother William is still back in Greenbrier Co. This William is still there in 1830 age 30-40. 3/2/0/0/0/1/0*0/2/0/0/0/1/0/0/0. Anyone have any idea who is might be? He could be the father of the John and James below. It looks like George died between 1830 and 1840. Johanna would be the female 50-60 in Willis's 1840 household and sister Mary is the female 30-40. By 1850 Johannah is no longer there but sister Mary age 46 is. Did Johannah die or did she move in with daughter Elizabeth and her husband Abram Beckner or perhaps the missing daughter. The Baldwin family suggests that she d prior to 1869. Where that came from isn't given so she may have died quite awhile earlier. She didn't move in with Samuel B. He is in the 1850 Nicholas census 9 names away from Willis. F. Samuel B. Kincaid age 41 b VA with Nancy age 39 KY, William 19 KY, Mary E 16 KY, Johanna 12 KY, Martha A 9 KY, Malinda E 6 KY, Charles T 3 KY and Sarah J 2/12 KY In 1850 Nicholas Co. there are 2 Kincaids not close to Samuel and Willis. John age 36 KY with Pamela age 31 KY, William 6 KY, Andrew 4 KY, Polly 1 KY and an aged George couple b in NC who could be Pamela's parents. James age 36 KY with Eliza J age 25 KY, Ann 8 KY, Alice 7 KY, Susan 2 KY, John W. 1/12 KY Either one of these could be the missing male. Or the missing male could have died or left the area. The unknown daughter should have married sometime in the 1830's if she followed normal patterns. Anyone know anything about any of the families in these censuses? Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Roth" <jroth93947@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > 1810 Montgomery Co, KY -NTL > 356-16 George Kincaid 1 0 0 1 0 * 2 0 1 0 0 > 1820 Bath County, KY - Bloomfield > 184-22 George Kinkade 3 1 0 0 0 1 * 1 2 0 1 0 > Note: George married Polly Heaton 9-15-1812 Bath Co (her guardian > Archibald Kincaid) appears in the Greene Co, IL 1830 census age 40-50 with > no children born before 1815-1820 > 1830 Nicholas Co, KY - NTL > 201-23 George Kincaid 50-60, wife 40-50, 2m 15-20, 1f 10-15, 1f 20-30 > 1840 Nicholas Co, KY NTL > 60-11 Samuel B Kincaid 30-40, wife 20-30, 1m 5-10, 1f 0-5, 1f 5-10 > 64-28 Willis Kincaid 20-30, 1f 20-30, 1f30-40, 1f 50-60 > 73-20 William C 20-30, wife 15-20 > 1850 Nicholas Co, KY - 1st District > 456-130 Willis F Kincaid 39, Julian 27, William B 4, Mary J 1, Mary 46 > 457-139 Samuel B Kincaid 41bVA, Nancy 39, William B 19, Mary E 16, > Johannah 12, Martha A 9, Malinda E 6, Charles T 3, Sarah J 2/12 > There are two unplaced Kincaids in 1850 Nicholas Co > 471-336 John Kincaid 36 (b1813 KY), Pamela 31, William 6, Andrew 4, Polly > 1 > 492-658 James Kincaid 36 (b1813 KY), Eliza J 25, Ann 8, Alice 7, Susan 2, > John W 7/12 > 1860 Nicholas Co, KY - Buzzard Roost P O > 344-482 Willis Kincaid 49, Julia 37, W B 14, Mary 10, T W 9, Mary Kincaid > 57 (idiot) > 1870 Nicholas Co, KY > 305-178 Julia Kincaid 44, Benjamin 23, Mary 20, Alice 8 - Julia married > Henry Johnson > Ben may also listed in Fleming Co, Sherburne Dist as age 20, laborer for > Benjamin Holland 85 bMD? > Possible Children > Mary b1804 > Elizabeth b1806 married Abram Beckner 3-26-1823 Bath Co, KY, moved to > Warren Co, IL - see bio George W. Beckner > Samuel B b1808 married Nancy Powell, moved to Pettis Co, MO, 2nd > marriage - forgot to copy and didn’t note source > Willis F b1810 married Julia Ann Holland 8-15-1842 > William C b1812 married about 1840 - not found 1850 > Unknown Son born about 1814 - not in household 1830 > Unknown Daughter born about 1816 - not in household 1850 > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:29:31 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > > Are there any stray (non A & A) Montgomery Co. KY Kincaids that could be > children to George C. Kincaid & Johannah Baldwin? > > Since Johannah's father was in Montgomery Co. before 1805, the 1802 Howe > marriage between George & Johannah Morris Baldwin appears to be that of > George Cambell Kincaid, son of Thomas/Hannah. It looks like after the > wedding they returned to Muddy Creek in Greenbrier Co. VA until 1809 when > they sold out and moved to KY. According to Randy's March 27, 2005 post a > George appears in the 1810 Montgomery Co. KY Census p356 Line 16 > 1 m under 10 (b 1799-1811) > 1 m 26-44 (b 1765-1784) > 2 f under 10 (b 1799-1811) > 1 f 16-25 (b 1783-1794) > > The adult female is consistent with Johannah's reported birthdate of 1784. > George 1st appears with Thomas/Hannah, Thomas, Francis, Samuel, and John > on > the tax roles in Greenbrier Co. VA on Arpil 17, 1795 which means a birth > year around 1774. This is consistent with the above adult male. > Three children under 10 is consistent with an 1802 marriage date. > > Can this family be found in 1820? Johannah reportedly died prior 1869. > This > means she may be in the 1850 and 1860 censuses with or without George. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:06 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > > >> The Joe McGlynn who wrote this message appears to know a lot about the >> family. >> >> "If anyone is researching Samuel Baldwin in Botetourt County, Virginia, >> during the years 1774-1798, please contact me. >> Samuel Baldwin married Mary Wills in 1778, and had eight children. Mary >> Wills Baldwin filed the inventory of Samuel Baldwin's will in Montgomery >> County, Kentucky in 1805. >> Thanks >> Joe McGlynn" >> >> >> Here is a compilation of Samuel Ford/Baldwin's children and their >> wives---notice that Samuel's children by his wife >> Grace, when they lived in New Jersey, had the last name of 'Ford'. When >> Samuel moved to Botetourt Co, VA and changed his name to 'Baldwin', his >> mother's maiden name, the children born in Virginia with Mary Wills had >> the >> last name of Baldwin. See this site for Samuel's children with Ford >> surname. >> http://www.morrisswadener.com/notes.html >> >> How do these names compare with those in the lawsuit with Thomas >> Kincaid's >> heirs? >> >> *2nd Wife of [4] Samuel Ford: >> .+Mary Wills d: Abt. 1811 >> 2 Elizabeth Baldwin b: Abt. 1779 d: Bef. 1869 >> .+Robert Harrah >> 2 Sarah Baldwinb: Abt. 1781d: Bef. 1869 >> .+Richard Collins >> 2 William Baldwinb: Abt. 1782 d: February 27, 1853 >> 2 Johannah Morris Baldwin b: Abt. 1784 d: Bef. 1869 >> .+George Kincaid >> 2 Thomas Lewis Baldwin b: 1785 d: 1872 >> .+Elizabeth Cobb >> 2 Mary Jane Baldwin b: June 10, 1789 d: December 27, 1832 >> .+James Wills >> 2 Charity Baldwin b: Abt. 1790 d: March 03, 1849 >> .+Dawson Haggard >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:32 PM >> Subject: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin >> >> >>> Barb has come up with some interesting information that may shed some >>> light >>> on the Baldwin family. There are some questions that aren't answered and >>> a >>> few problems and the infamous Samuel Ford may not be the Samuel Baldwin >>> referred to in the last couple of items. The will of Samuel Baldwin >>> evidently notes that his daughter is Hannah Morris. I am wondering if >>> the >>> 1802 Howe marriage of George Kincaid and Johanna Morris Baldwin should >>> not >>> have a "nee" between Morris and Baldwin in her name. The names in the >>> will >>> of Samuel Baldwin do not exactly match the heirs listed in the court >>> case. >>> One would need to see the actual will as "Annette" seems to editoralize >>> a >>> bit in her reporting. The date of the land sale on Catawba by Samuel's >>> heirs >>> and the date of the original suit are both Nov, 1811. >>> >>> Sue Liedtke >>> >>>>From Ford-L Archives 23 Jan 2006 >>> 210 Samuel Ford, b. Hanover, N. J., ca. 1735, will codicil dated 28 Jan. >>> 1793 and admitted to probate in Botetourt Co., Va. in Sept. 1793 >>> m. Hanover, N. J., 20 Jan. 1757 >>> 211 Grace Kitchell, b. about 1741, d. 7 Nov. 1818 >>> >>> 420 Samuel Ford, b. Woodbridge, N. J., 11 Oct. 1709, d. Hanover, N. J., >>> 11 >>> Aug. 1752 >>> m. Hanover, N. J., ca. 1732 >>> 421 Sarah Baldwin, b. Newark, N. J., 20 July 1707 (or 22 July 1709), d. >>> Hanover, N. J., 20 April 1787 (or 22 April 1789) >>> ___________ >>> >>> A follow up to the above. >>> >>> Interesting fellow this Samuel Ford. Anybody know more?? >>> The one blot on the Kitchel family record is that Grace, daughter of >>> Joseph >>> Kitchel and Rachel Bates, married Samuel Ford. Samuel Ford was the son >>> of >>> outstanding >>> family in Morristown, hosts to George Washington when he spent the >>> winter >>> in >>> Morristown. The son was quite a clever forger and did a good job of >>> disabling >>> the new Republic by creating the Panic of 1793 with his printed money. >>> When >>> he >>> was found out, he skipped to Ireland and married (without benefit of a >>> divorce) >>> and had 3 children. He returned again in the later days of the war and >>> continued >>> his currency deals and again was at the point of being caught. So taking >>> his >>> mother's maiden name Baldwin, he retired to the wilds of Virginia where >>> he >>> married >>> again (without divorce) and became the patriarch of some prominent >>> families >>> of >>> Virginia. Samuel Ford's line is also the line whose descendants include >>> the >>> wife >>> of a president and the mother of the current president of the United >>> States. >>> >>> -2 416 5-1 m 20Jan1757 Hanover NJ Samuel FORD b Abt 1735 >>> Hanover NJ son Samuel FORD and Sarah BALDWIN, >>> notorious counterfeiter 1793; d Lewisburg >>> GreenbrierCo VA, alias Samuel BALDWIN >>> -2 416 5-1-2 m VA ?______ ?______ (bigamous, alias BALDWIN) >>> >>> ___________ >>> >>>>From a WV usgenweb page for the family of Annette >>> BALDWIN, Samuel--died ca 1793 Botetourt Co., Virginia, will pro Sept >>> 1793, >>> married first --- --; >>> married 2nd Mary WILLS; from Pennsylvania? >>> by first wife: >>> unnamed in will, living in Pennsylvania >>> Charity >>> by 2nd wife: >>> Elizabeth >>> Sarah >>> William (have sheet) >>> Joseph (have sheet) >>> Hannah--married --- MORRIS >>> Thomas Lewis (have sheet) >>> Alexander (have sheet) >>> Botetourt Co., Virginia Wills >>> ____________________ >>> >>> Chancery Court Case 145 Greenbrier Co. WV - Baldwin heirs vs Kincaid &c >>> Nov. 9, 1816 >>> ---Robert Harrow and Elizabeth his wife late Elilzabeth Baldwin, George >>> Kincaid & Johanah his wife late Johannah Baldwin, William Baldwin, >>> Thomas >>> Baldwin, James Wills and Jane his wife, late Jane Baldwin and Charity >>> Baldwin, an infant under the age of twenty one years who sues by said >>> William Baldwin her next friend respectfully represents that on the >>> ____Day >>> of November in the year 1811 they filed their original bill in your >>> honorable court.---- >>> >>> This case involves the heirs of Samuel Baldwin vs Thomas Kincaid. The >>> case >>> is continued after Thomas's death naming the heirs of Thomas. This item >>> from >>> the University of Tennessee Special Collection Library gives the most >>> details as to heirs. The continuance of the court records names the same >>> heirs plus Hannah, widow of Thomas. >>> Baldwin heirs vs Kincad, heirs of Thomas Kincaid dcd. >>> John Kincaid (lives Nicholas) >>> Samuel Kincaid (lives Greenbr) >>> Thomas Kincaid (Indiana, Madison Township) >>> Francis Kincaid (same, ditto) >>> George Kincaid (is one of the pltffs) >>> William Kincaid (Greenbr County) >>> Charles Harra & Margaret his wife (Greenbr) >>> Elizabeth Harra (widow-Greenbr) >>> >>> Have ??? these persons as children & heirs of Thos Kincaid dcd. >>> >>> __________________ >>> >>> On 26 November 1811 Richard put out a lot of money and bought a lot of >>> land. >>> For $2299 he bought from the eight heirs of Samuel Baldwin a 418-acre >>> tract >>> on Catawba Creek, a branch of the James River.[9] Neighbors with >>> adjoining >>> land listed in the plat description were Matthew Harvey,[10] William >>> Greenwood, Kessler, and Sivert. Twenty years later Richard would buy an >>> additional 152 acres (one record says 165 acres) adjoining his 1811 >>> purchase. The 418-acre tract had been owned by Samuel Baldwin since >>> 1779, >>> and upon Baldwin's death his children had moved to Montgomery County, >>> Kentucky, and wanted to sell the land they had inherited. >>> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/u/t/Thomas-K-Butt/FILE/0001page.html >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1810 Montgomery Co, KY -NTL 356-16 George Kincaid 1 0 0 1 0 * 2 0 1 0 0 1820 Bath County, KY - Bloomfield       184-22 George Kinkade 3 1 0 0 0 1 * 1 2 0 1 0 Note: George married Polly Heaton 9-15-1812 Bath Co (her guardian Archibald Kincaid) appears in the Greene Co, IL 1830 census age  40-50 with no children born before 1815-1820 1830 Nicholas Co, KY - NTL 201-23 George Kincaid 50-60, wife 40-50, 2m 15-20, 1f 10-15, 1f 20-30 1840 Nicholas Co, KY NTL 60-11 Samuel B Kincaid 30-40, wife 20-30, 1m 5-10, 1f 0-5, 1f 5-10 64-28 Willis Kincaid 20-30, 1f 20-30, 1f30-40, 1f 50-60 73-20 William C 20-30, wife 15-20 1850 Nicholas Co, KY - 1st District 456-130 Willis F Kincaid 39, Julian 27, William B 4, Mary J 1, Mary 46 457-139 Samuel B Kincaid 41bVA, Nancy 39, William B 19, Mary E 16, Johannah 12, Martha A 9, Malinda E 6, Charles T 3, Sarah J 2/12 There are two unplaced Kincaids in 1850 Nicholas Co 471-336 John Kincaid 36 (b1813 KY), Pamela 31, William 6, Andrew 4, Polly 1 492-658 James Kincaid 36 (b1813 KY), Eliza J 25, Ann 8, Alice 7, Susan 2, John W 7/12 1860 Nicholas Co, KY - Buzzard Roost P O 344-482 Willis Kincaid 49, Julia 37, W B 14, Mary 10, T W 9, Mary Kincaid 57 (idiot) 1870 Nicholas Co, KY 305-178 Julia Kincaid 44, Benjamin 23, Mary 20, Alice 8 - Julia married Henry Johnson Ben may also listed in Fleming Co, Sherburne Dist as age 20, laborer for Benjamin Holland 85 bMD? Possible Children Mary b1804 Elizabeth b1806 married Abram Beckner 3-26-1823 Bath Co, KY, moved to Warren Co, IL - see bio George W. Beckner Samuel B b1808 married Nancy Powell, moved to Pettis Co, MO, 2nd marriage - forgot to copy and didn’t note source Willis F b1810 married Julia Ann Holland 8-15-1842 William C b1812 married about 1840 - not found 1850 Unknown Son born about 1814 - not in household 1830 Unknown Daughter born about 1816 - not in household 1850 ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:29:31 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin Are there any stray (non A & A) Montgomery Co. KY Kincaids that could be children to George C. Kincaid & Johannah Baldwin? Since Johannah's father was in Montgomery Co. before 1805, the 1802 Howe marriage between George & Johannah Morris Baldwin appears to be that of George Cambell Kincaid, son of Thomas/Hannah. It looks like after the wedding they returned to Muddy Creek in Greenbrier Co. VA until 1809 when they sold out and moved to KY. According to Randy's March 27, 2005 post a George appears in the 1810 Montgomery Co. KY Census p356 Line 16 1 m under 10 (b 1799-1811) 1 m 26-44 (b 1765-1784) 2 f under 10 (b 1799-1811) 1 f 16-25 (b 1783-1794) The adult female is consistent with Johannah's reported birthdate of 1784. George 1st appears with Thomas/Hannah, Thomas, Francis, Samuel, and John on the tax roles in Greenbrier Co. VA on Arpil 17, 1795 which means a birth year around 1774. This is consistent with the above adult male. Three children under 10 is consistent with an 1802 marriage date. Can this family be found in 1820? Johannah reportedly died prior 1869. This means she may be in the 1850 and 1860 censuses with or without George. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > The Joe McGlynn who wrote this message appears to know a lot about the > family. > > "If anyone is researching Samuel Baldwin in Botetourt County, Virginia, > during the years 1774-1798, please contact me. > Samuel Baldwin married Mary Wills in 1778, and had eight children. Mary > Wills Baldwin filed the inventory of Samuel Baldwin's will in Montgomery > County, Kentucky in 1805. > Thanks > Joe McGlynn" > > > Here is a compilation of  Samuel Ford/Baldwin's children and their > wives---notice that Samuel's children by his wife > Grace, when they lived in New Jersey, had the last name of 'Ford'.  When > Samuel moved to Botetourt Co, VA and changed his name to 'Baldwin', his > mother's maiden name, the children born in Virginia with Mary Wills had > the > last name of Baldwin. See this site for Samuel's children with Ford > surname. > http://www.morrisswadener.com/notes.html > > How do these names compare with those in the lawsuit with Thomas Kincaid's > heirs? > > *2nd Wife of [4] Samuel Ford: > .+Mary Wills d: Abt. 1811 > 2 Elizabeth Baldwin b: Abt. 1779 d: Bef. 1869 > .+Robert Harrah > 2 Sarah Baldwinb: Abt. 1781d: Bef. 1869 > .+Richard Collins > 2 William Baldwinb: Abt. 1782 d: February 27, 1853 > 2 Johannah Morris Baldwin b: Abt. 1784 d: Bef. 1869 > .+George Kincaid > 2 Thomas Lewis Baldwin b: 1785 d: 1872 > .+Elizabeth Cobb > 2 Mary Jane Baldwin b: June 10, 1789 d: December 27, 1832 > .+James Wills > 2 Charity Baldwin b: Abt. 1790 d: March 03, 1849 > .+Dawson Haggard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:32 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > > >> Barb has come up with some interesting information that may shed some >> light >> on the Baldwin family. There are some questions that aren't answered and >> a >> few problems and the infamous Samuel Ford may not be the Samuel Baldwin >> referred to in the last couple of items. The will of Samuel Baldwin >> evidently notes that his daughter is Hannah Morris. I am wondering if the >> 1802 Howe marriage of George Kincaid and Johanna Morris Baldwin should >> not >> have a "nee" between Morris and Baldwin in her name. The names in the >> will >> of Samuel Baldwin do not exactly match the heirs listed in the court >> case. >> One would need to see the actual will as "Annette" seems to editoralize a >> bit in her reporting. The date of the land sale on Catawba by Samuel's >> heirs >> and the date of the original suit are both Nov, 1811. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >>>From Ford-L Archives 23 Jan 2006 >> 210 Samuel Ford, b. Hanover, N. J., ca. 1735, will codicil dated 28 Jan. >> 1793 and admitted to probate in Botetourt Co., Va. in Sept. 1793 >> m. Hanover, N. J., 20 Jan. 1757 >> 211 Grace Kitchell, b. about 1741, d. 7 Nov. 1818 >> >> 420 Samuel Ford, b. Woodbridge, N. J., 11 Oct. 1709, d. Hanover, N. J., >> 11 >> Aug. 1752 >> m. Hanover, N. J., ca. 1732 >> 421 Sarah Baldwin, b. Newark, N. J., 20 July 1707 (or 22 July 1709), d. >> Hanover, N. J., 20 April 1787 (or 22 April 1789) >> ___________ >> >> A follow up to the above. >> >> Interesting fellow this Samuel Ford. Anybody know more?? >> The one blot on the Kitchel family record is that Grace, daughter of >> Joseph >> Kitchel and Rachel Bates, married Samuel Ford. Samuel Ford was the son of >> outstanding >> family in Morristown, hosts to George Washington when he spent the winter >> in >> Morristown. The son was quite a clever forger and did a good job of >> disabling >> the new Republic by creating the Panic of 1793 with his printed money. >> When >> he >> was found out, he skipped to Ireland and married (without benefit of a >> divorce) >> and had 3 children. He returned again in the later days of the war and >> continued >> his currency deals and again was at the point of being caught. So taking >> his >> mother's maiden name Baldwin, he retired to the wilds of Virginia where >> he >> married >> again (without divorce) and became the patriarch of some prominent >> families >> of >> Virginia. Samuel Ford's line is also the line whose descendants include >> the >> wife >> of a president and the mother of the current president of the United >> States. >> >> -2 416 5-1 m 20Jan1757 Hanover NJ Samuel FORD b Abt 1735 >> Hanover NJ son Samuel FORD and Sarah BALDWIN, >> notorious counterfeiter 1793; d Lewisburg >> GreenbrierCo VA, alias Samuel BALDWIN >> -2 416 5-1-2 m VA ?______ ?______ (bigamous, alias BALDWIN) >> >> ___________ >> >>>From a WV usgenweb page for the family of Annette >> BALDWIN, Samuel--died ca 1793 Botetourt Co., Virginia, will pro Sept >> 1793, >> married first --- --; >> married 2nd Mary WILLS; from Pennsylvania? >> by first wife: >> unnamed in will, living in Pennsylvania >> Charity >> by 2nd wife: >> Elizabeth >> Sarah >> William (have sheet) >> Joseph (have sheet) >> Hannah--married --- MORRIS >> Thomas Lewis (have sheet) >> Alexander (have sheet) >> Botetourt Co., Virginia Wills >> ____________________ >> >> Chancery Court Case 145 Greenbrier Co. WV -  Baldwin heirs vs Kincaid &c >> Nov. 9, 1816 >> ---Robert Harrow and Elizabeth his wife late Elilzabeth Baldwin, George >> Kincaid & Johanah his wife late Johannah Baldwin, William Baldwin, Thomas >> Baldwin, James Wills and Jane his wife, late Jane Baldwin and Charity >> Baldwin, an infant under the age of twenty one years who sues by said >> William Baldwin her next friend respectfully represents that on the >> ____Day >> of November in the year 1811 they filed their original bill in your >> honorable court.---- >> >> This case involves the heirs of Samuel Baldwin vs Thomas Kincaid. The >> case >> is continued after Thomas's death naming the heirs of Thomas. This item >> from >> the University of Tennessee Special Collection Library gives the most >> details as to heirs. The continuance of the court records names the same >> heirs plus Hannah, widow of Thomas. >> Baldwin heirs vs Kincad, heirs of Thomas Kincaid dcd. >> John Kincaid (lives Nicholas) >> Samuel Kincaid (lives Greenbr) >> Thomas Kincaid (Indiana, Madison Township) >> Francis Kincaid (same, ditto) >> George Kincaid (is one of the pltffs) >> William Kincaid (Greenbr County) >> Charles Harra & Margaret his wife (Greenbr) >> Elizabeth Harra (widow-Greenbr) >> >> Have ??? these persons as children & heirs of Thos Kincaid dcd. >> >> __________________ >> >> On 26 November 1811 Richard put out a lot of money and bought a lot of >> land. >> For $2299 he bought from the eight heirs of Samuel Baldwin a 418-acre >> tract >> on Catawba Creek, a branch of the James River.[9] Neighbors with >> adjoining >> land listed in the plat description were Matthew Harvey,[10] William >> Greenwood, Kessler, and Sivert. Twenty years later Richard would buy an >> additional 152 acres (one record says 165 acres) adjoining his 1811 >> purchase. The 418-acre tract had been owned by Samuel Baldwin since 1779, >> and upon Baldwin's death his children had moved to Montgomery County, >> Kentucky, and wanted to sell the land they had inherited. >> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/u/t/Thomas-K-Butt/FILE/0001page.html >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are there any stray (non A & A) Montgomery Co. KY Kincaids that could be children to George C. Kincaid & Johannah Baldwin? Since Johannah's father was in Montgomery Co. before 1805, the 1802 Howe marriage between George & Johannah Morris Baldwin appears to be that of George Cambell Kincaid, son of Thomas/Hannah. It looks like after the wedding they returned to Muddy Creek in Greenbrier Co. VA until 1809 when they sold out and moved to KY. According to Randy's March 27, 2005 post a George appears in the 1810 Montgomery Co. KY Census p356 Line 16 1 m under 10 (b 1799-1811) 1 m 26-44 (b 1765-1784) 2 f under 10 (b 1799-1811) 1 f 16-25 (b 1783-1794) The adult female is consistent with Johannah's reported birthdate of 1784. George 1st appears with Thomas/Hannah, Thomas, Francis, Samuel, and John on the tax roles in Greenbrier Co. VA on Arpil 17, 1795 which means a birth year around 1774. This is consistent with the above adult male. Three children under 10 is consistent with an 1802 marriage date. Can this family be found in 1820? Johannah reportedly died prior 1869. This means she may be in the 1850 and 1860 censuses with or without George. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > The Joe McGlynn who wrote this message appears to know a lot about the > family. > > "If anyone is researching Samuel Baldwin in Botetourt County, Virginia, > during the years 1774-1798, please contact me. > Samuel Baldwin married Mary Wills in 1778, and had eight children. Mary > Wills Baldwin filed the inventory of Samuel Baldwin's will in Montgomery > County, Kentucky in 1805. > Thanks > Joe McGlynn" > > > Here is a compilation of Samuel Ford/Baldwin's children and their > wives---notice that Samuel's children by his wife > Grace, when they lived in New Jersey, had the last name of 'Ford'. When > Samuel moved to Botetourt Co, VA and changed his name to 'Baldwin', his > mother's maiden name, the children born in Virginia with Mary Wills had > the > last name of Baldwin. See this site for Samuel's children with Ford > surname. > http://www.morrisswadener.com/notes.html > > How do these names compare with those in the lawsuit with Thomas Kincaid's > heirs? > > *2nd Wife of [4] Samuel Ford: > .+Mary Wills d: Abt. 1811 > 2 Elizabeth Baldwin b: Abt. 1779 d: Bef. 1869 > .+Robert Harrah > 2 Sarah Baldwinb: Abt. 1781d: Bef. 1869 > .+Richard Collins > 2 William Baldwinb: Abt. 1782 d: February 27, 1853 > 2 Johannah Morris Baldwin b: Abt. 1784 d: Bef. 1869 > .+George Kincaid > 2 Thomas Lewis Baldwin b: 1785 d: 1872 > .+Elizabeth Cobb > 2 Mary Jane Baldwin b: June 10, 1789 d: December 27, 1832 > .+James Wills > 2 Charity Baldwin b: Abt. 1790 d: March 03, 1849 > .+Dawson Haggard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:32 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > > >> Barb has come up with some interesting information that may shed some >> light >> on the Baldwin family. There are some questions that aren't answered and >> a >> few problems and the infamous Samuel Ford may not be the Samuel Baldwin >> referred to in the last couple of items. The will of Samuel Baldwin >> evidently notes that his daughter is Hannah Morris. I am wondering if the >> 1802 Howe marriage of George Kincaid and Johanna Morris Baldwin should >> not >> have a "nee" between Morris and Baldwin in her name. The names in the >> will >> of Samuel Baldwin do not exactly match the heirs listed in the court >> case. >> One would need to see the actual will as "Annette" seems to editoralize a >> bit in her reporting. The date of the land sale on Catawba by Samuel's >> heirs >> and the date of the original suit are both Nov, 1811. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >>>From Ford-L Archives 23 Jan 2006 >> 210 Samuel Ford, b. Hanover, N. J., ca. 1735, will codicil dated 28 Jan. >> 1793 and admitted to probate in Botetourt Co., Va. in Sept. 1793 >> m. Hanover, N. J., 20 Jan. 1757 >> 211 Grace Kitchell, b. about 1741, d. 7 Nov. 1818 >> >> 420 Samuel Ford, b. Woodbridge, N. J., 11 Oct. 1709, d. Hanover, N. J., >> 11 >> Aug. 1752 >> m. Hanover, N. J., ca. 1732 >> 421 Sarah Baldwin, b. Newark, N. J., 20 July 1707 (or 22 July 1709), d. >> Hanover, N. J., 20 April 1787 (or 22 April 1789) >> ___________ >> >> A follow up to the above. >> >> Interesting fellow this Samuel Ford. Anybody know more?? >> The one blot on the Kitchel family record is that Grace, daughter of >> Joseph >> Kitchel and Rachel Bates, married Samuel Ford. Samuel Ford was the son of >> outstanding >> family in Morristown, hosts to George Washington when he spent the winter >> in >> Morristown. The son was quite a clever forger and did a good job of >> disabling >> the new Republic by creating the Panic of 1793 with his printed money. >> When >> he >> was found out, he skipped to Ireland and married (without benefit of a >> divorce) >> and had 3 children. He returned again in the later days of the war and >> continued >> his currency deals and again was at the point of being caught. So taking >> his >> mother's maiden name Baldwin, he retired to the wilds of Virginia where >> he >> married >> again (without divorce) and became the patriarch of some prominent >> families >> of >> Virginia. Samuel Ford's line is also the line whose descendants include >> the >> wife >> of a president and the mother of the current president of the United >> States. >> >> -2 416 5-1 m 20Jan1757 Hanover NJ Samuel FORD b Abt 1735 >> Hanover NJ son Samuel FORD and Sarah BALDWIN, >> notorious counterfeiter 1793; d Lewisburg >> GreenbrierCo VA, alias Samuel BALDWIN >> -2 416 5-1-2 m VA ?______ ?______ (bigamous, alias BALDWIN) >> >> ___________ >> >>>From a WV usgenweb page for the family of Annette >> BALDWIN, Samuel--died ca 1793 Botetourt Co., Virginia, will pro Sept >> 1793, >> married first --- --; >> married 2nd Mary WILLS; from Pennsylvania? >> by first wife: >> unnamed in will, living in Pennsylvania >> Charity >> by 2nd wife: >> Elizabeth >> Sarah >> William (have sheet) >> Joseph (have sheet) >> Hannah--married --- MORRIS >> Thomas Lewis (have sheet) >> Alexander (have sheet) >> Botetourt Co., Virginia Wills >> ____________________ >> >> Chancery Court Case 145 Greenbrier Co. WV - Baldwin heirs vs Kincaid &c >> Nov. 9, 1816 >> ---Robert Harrow and Elizabeth his wife late Elilzabeth Baldwin, George >> Kincaid & Johanah his wife late Johannah Baldwin, William Baldwin, Thomas >> Baldwin, James Wills and Jane his wife, late Jane Baldwin and Charity >> Baldwin, an infant under the age of twenty one years who sues by said >> William Baldwin her next friend respectfully represents that on the >> ____Day >> of November in the year 1811 they filed their original bill in your >> honorable court.---- >> >> This case involves the heirs of Samuel Baldwin vs Thomas Kincaid. The >> case >> is continued after Thomas's death naming the heirs of Thomas. This item >> from >> the University of Tennessee Special Collection Library gives the most >> details as to heirs. The continuance of the court records names the same >> heirs plus Hannah, widow of Thomas. >> Baldwin heirs vs Kincad, heirs of Thomas Kincaid dcd. >> John Kincaid (lives Nicholas) >> Samuel Kincaid (lives Greenbr) >> Thomas Kincaid (Indiana, Madison Township) >> Francis Kincaid (same, ditto) >> George Kincaid (is one of the pltffs) >> William Kincaid (Greenbr County) >> Charles Harra & Margaret his wife (Greenbr) >> Elizabeth Harra (widow-Greenbr) >> >> Have ??? these persons as children & heirs of Thos Kincaid dcd. >> >> __________________ >> >> On 26 November 1811 Richard put out a lot of money and bought a lot of >> land. >> For $2299 he bought from the eight heirs of Samuel Baldwin a 418-acre >> tract >> on Catawba Creek, a branch of the James River.[9] Neighbors with >> adjoining >> land listed in the plat description were Matthew Harvey,[10] William >> Greenwood, Kessler, and Sivert. Twenty years later Richard would buy an >> additional 152 acres (one record says 165 acres) adjoining his 1811 >> purchase. The 418-acre tract had been owned by Samuel Baldwin since 1779, >> and upon Baldwin's death his children had moved to Montgomery County, >> Kentucky, and wanted to sell the land they had inherited. >> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/u/t/Thomas-K-Butt/FILE/0001page.html >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thought I'd note this touching story of Kenneth Kincaid killed in Iraq in 2006. http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2007-07-15-ied-kincaid_N.htm Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada

In line with recent posts I would like to note the chef success of Bob and David Kinkead of the Boston area. See: http://www.siblingrivalryboston.com/chefs.php Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada

I wonder if this was a relative of Admiral Kinkaid. His name was Kent Kinkaid. 26 May 1998 The Associated Press Kent D. Kincaid Teens arrested in shooting of off-duty officer HOUSTON (AP) - Three teens have been arrested and charged in the fatal shooting of an off-duty Houston police sergeant on Friday night, authorities said. Houston Police Sgt. Kent D. Kincaid was shot when he tried to question a driver he thought had thrown something at his windshield. Police now believe the object was actually a slug from a .25-caliber handgun. Anthony Haynes, 19, of Missouri City, and Timothy Reese, 18, of Houston, were arrested in Haynes' truck late Sunday night in northwest Houston, police said. A 16-year-old from Houston was arrested separately. Investigators believe Haynes is the shooter. He was jailed on one count of capital murder and two counts of aggravated robbery, police said. Reese and the juvenile each face one count of aggravated robbery. The robbery charges stem from three assaults earlier Friday night. At a press conference Monday, Harris County Sheriff Tommy Thomas indicated that the key break in the case was a tip from a man who had been harassed by Haynes and Reese in the neighborhood where the shooting occurred. Asked whether the suspects expressed remorse about the shooting, Thomas said, "They were remorseful for the fact they got caught." Sheriff's Sgt. Robert Black said the 40-year-old Kincaid and his wife, Nancy, were driving about a block from their house around 11:15 p.m. Friday when their Jeep was hit by an object that appeared to come from a passing truck. Black said Kincaid turned his vehicle around and followed the pickup for several blocks. He said the truck stopped, and Kincaid got out and began approaching the driver's side of the truck. Authorities say that Kincaid told the truck's occupants he was an off-duty police officer. He was shot once in the head, and the pickup sped away, Black said. Kincaid, a 13-year veteran, died shortly after arriving at Hermann Hospital. Houston Police homicide Capt. Richard Holland said Kincaid's widow expressed relief at the arrests. Services for Kincaid will be today at Bear Creek United Methodist Church in Houston. He will be buried Thursday in Stockton, Kan. http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/rooks/moreobits2.html K.D. KINKAID May 23, 1998 Sgt Kinkaid and his wife were riding in their truck and Sgt Kinkaid was off duty (out of uniform). As they drove past an on-comming vehicle, an obejct struck the widshield of the truck. Sgt Kinkaid turned around and followed the other vehicle. The other vehicle stopped and Sgt Kinkaid exited his truck and approached the driver's side. Kinkaid identified himself as a police officer and proceeded to question the suspects in the vehicle. One of the suspsects shot Officer Kinkaid and they fled the scene in the vehicle. Sgt Kinkaid died from the gunshot wound a few days later. The suspects were later arrested and confessed to the murder. They had been out robbing motorists just proir to shooting Sgt Kinkaid. When Sgt Kinkaid identified himself as a police officer he was shot because the suspects believed Sgt Kinkaid knew about the robberies that had committed, which he did not. The object that had hit Sgt Kinkaid's windshield was a bullet fired by the suspects. http://members.tripod.com/~Stacy_P/officerdown.htm

I thought the following might be of use to someone. SULLY v. UNITED srnms 115 Mary Brindell being born at her father's place east of the Missouri riveiii just across from the V\/hetstone agency, soon after her fatl1er's deat . (4) That in 1889 said Mary Brindell was living on the Rosebud reservation on the west side of the Missouri river on one of the is- lands in the Missouri river, same being a part of the reservation, and was married to Pat Gaughen, said marriage taking place on the east side of the Missouri river in Charles Mix county, where she continued to reside with her husband for a period of about `six months, when she and her said husband returned to the west side of the river on- what was known as Pocahontas Island, where they had resided before being married, she with her mother, and he as an employe of one of her relatives. (5) That there was born to them, the issue of this marriage, {ive children, complainants herein, Emmet Gaughen, born in 1893; Ollie Gaughen, born in 1894; Mollie Gaughen, born in 1896; julia Gaughen, born in 1899; Emma Gaughen, born in 1900-al`l of whom were born upon the said Rosebud reservation, and said Pat Gaughen died and was buried on the Rosebud reservation in 1900. (6) That after the death of said Pat Gaughen his wife, Mary Brin- dell, married a white man, Nels McGhee, in 1902. That they con-· tinued to live on the Rosebud reservation, and in 1903 there was born, the issue of said marriage, a daughter named Grace McGhee, one of the complainants herein. (7) That subsequent to the death of Henry Brindell in 1869, and about 1871, the said Mary Brindell_(now Mary Sully) married john Kinkaid, a white man, on the east side of the Missouri river in Charles Mix county, at which place there was born to them, the issue of said marriage, Amy Kinkaidl (now La Roche), who is now enrolled and allotted on the Lower Brule agency, and who is not a party to this action; the complainant William Kinkaid, born in 1874; and Estelle Kinkaid (now the complainant Estelle Blackbird), born in 1875._ And said john Kinkaid died in 1877. (8) That on january 3, 1892, said Estelle Kinkaid, daughter last above named, married joe Blackbird, a white man, on the Rosebud reservation, where they have since continued to reside, and there was born to them upon said Rosebud reservation, the issue of said mar- riage, the complainants Susie Blackbird, born in 1893; Louisa Black- bird, born in 1895; Annie Blackbird, born in 1896; and George Blackbird, born in 1900. (9) That subsequent to the death of john Kinkaid above named, his widlow, Mary Goulette Brindell Kinkaid, married john Sully, on the east side of the Missouri river in Charles Mix county. That as the issue of said marriage between said Mary and john Sully there was born to them on Pocahontas Island, within the Rosebud reservation, the following named complainants in this action: Louisa Sully (now ' Louisa Waugh), born in 1882; Eva Sully, born in 1884; Millie Sully, born in 1885; john Sully, born in 1887; Frank Sully, born in 1888; George Sully, born in 1890; Samuel Sully, born in 1893; and Claude Sully, born in 1897. And said john Sully died and was buried on the Rosebud reservation in 1904. http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F1/0195/001/00000130.txt

Don, Thank you for your expeditious response and very helpful information. This will be exciting to see where this endeavor takes us. Sincerely, James -------------------------------------------------- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:53 AM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Special offer on DNA upgrades almost at end > Hi James, > > To test your Kincaid lineage using DNA, the best way is the Y DNA test > which is for those whose surname is Kincaid or another spelling of Kincaid > since the Y DNA passes from father to son. We have around 130 who are > currently in the Kincaid Surname DNA Project who have done the Y DNA test. > We also have a few what have done the maternal DNA test but it would not > be of any benefit on your Kincaid ancestors. > > If you can find one of your mother's male Kincaid cousins or their male > descendants, they might be willing to do the Kincaid test. We have several > in the project who have done this. We also have several who have shared > the costs of the test between several family members. > > For in-depth information go to www.familytreedna.com where you can read > about all the various tests available. > > The current costs of new Kincaid Group Y DNA tests (and should be the > same for other surnames) are: > > 12 marker $ 99 > 25 marker $148 > 37 marker $189 recommended > 67 marker $269 > > There is no discount for new orders on this special promotion, just > upgrades to a higher number of markers. > > Don W. Kincaid > Kincaid Surname DNA Admin. > donwkincaid@cox.net > 254 631-5684 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: beej62@hotmail.com > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Special offer on DNA upgrades almost at end > > > Don, > > What is the cost for Family Tree DNA research? My mother's side are > Kincaid's out of Kansas/Missouri and am curious to the lineage from > Scotland/Ireland. > > Best regards, > James Johnson > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:17 AM > To: "Kincaid Rootsweb List" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [KINCAID] Special offer on DNA upgrades almost at end > > > Greetings from Big Bear Lake, California, > > > > We just want to remind everyone that the 25% off special by Family Tree > > DNA will end June 30th. Your DNA team is hoping for some 12 and 25 > marker > > participants to take advantage of the offer. Some 37 marker > participants > > will also benefit with an upgrade to 67 markers. > > > > We are enjoying the cool here at around 8,000 feet elevation with our > > daughter's families for a week. I find no Kincaid's of any spelling in > the > > local phone directory.....even checked Kyn's. I guess we are still a > minor > > surname which is an advantage in tracing lineage. > > > > Have a great weekend! > > > > Don W. Kincaid > > # 1427 > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Don, What is the cost for Family Tree DNA research? My mother's side are Kincaid's out of Kansas/Missouri and am curious to the lineage from Scotland/Ireland. Best regards, James Johnson -------------------------------------------------- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:17 AM To: "Kincaid Rootsweb List" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: [KINCAID] Special offer on DNA upgrades almost at end > Greetings from Big Bear Lake, California, > > We just want to remind everyone that the 25% off special by Family Tree > DNA will end June 30th. Your DNA team is hoping for some 12 and 25 marker > participants to take advantage of the offer. Some 37 marker participants > will also benefit with an upgrade to 67 markers. > > We are enjoying the cool here at around 8,000 feet elevation with our > daughter's families for a week. I find no Kincaid's of any spelling in the > local phone directory.....even checked Kyn's. I guess we are still a minor > surname which is an advantage in tracing lineage. > > Have a great weekend! > > Don W. Kincaid > # 1427 > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Richard, Living in the twin cities and having 2 Kincaid's available, 1 in Bloomington and 1 in St Paul, I highly recomend them if you have one close by. I contacted them some time ago and learned that they are headquartered out of Seattle, Washington. There are appoximately 9 or 10 affiliated restaurants located across the US including Hawaii. Their food is pricey but very good. Ron Kincaid Coon Rapids, Minnesota ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> To: "Genealogy, KINCAID" <KINCAID@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaid's Restaurants > Someone brought up the topic of Kincaid's Restaurants recently (as opposed > to Kinkead's Restaurant in DC). I keep seeing these on Ebay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com:80/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370063226434&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > > Dick Kinkead > Lantana, FL > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---

I am a direct descendant of William M. Kincade, b.1829-d.1903, born in Ohio, (according to the 1900 census). William was married to Mary Elizabeth Johnson, b1855-d.? (born in Indiana). They were married in Shelby Co. IN, June 10, 1877, according to online info. We know that William Kincade is buried in the Viney Creek Cemetery, Barry Co. MO. We don't know where or when his wife, Mary Elizabeth was buried. Their first two children, John E, and Stephen were born in Indiana, according to the same census, but the next three, Emery F., Albert L., and Mary, are listed as being born in Kansas. Emery Francis Kincade was born Nov. 17, 1884, and married Cora Florence Britton, on May 26, 1907, in High, AR. Cora Britton was born Sep.16, 1887. Emery died on June 28, 1949, at Drumright, OK. Cora Britton Kincade died on March 26, 1968, in Drumright, OK. Emery and Cora are both buried in the North Cemetery, Drumright, OK. Anyone with any information about William M. Kincade or Mary E. Johnson Kincade, can email me and it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Nancy Kincade Haley    

Hi James, To test your Kincaid lineage using DNA, the best way is the Y DNA test which is for those whose surname is Kincaid or another spelling of Kincaid since the Y DNA passes from father to son. We have around 130 who are currently in the Kincaid Surname DNA Project who have done the Y DNA test. We also have a few what have done the maternal DNA test but it would not be of any benefit on your Kincaid ancestors. If you can find one of your mother's male Kincaid cousins or their male descendants, they might be willing to do the Kincaid test. We have several in the project who have done this. We also have several who have shared the costs of the test between several family members. For in-depth information go to www.familytreedna.com where you can read about all the various tests available. The current costs of new Kincaid Group Y DNA tests (and should be the same for other surnames) are: 12 marker $ 99 25 marker $148 37 marker $189 recommended 67 marker $269 There is no discount for new orders on this special promotion, just upgrades to a higher number of markers. Don W. Kincaid Kincaid Surname DNA Admin. donwkincaid@cox.net 254 631-5684 ----- Original Message ----- From: beej62@hotmail.com To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Special offer on DNA upgrades almost at end Don, What is the cost for Family Tree DNA research? My mother's side are Kincaid's out of Kansas/Missouri and am curious to the lineage from Scotland/Ireland. Best regards, James Johnson -------------------------------------------------- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:17 AM To: "Kincaid Rootsweb List" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: [KINCAID] Special offer on DNA upgrades almost at end > Greetings from Big Bear Lake, California, > > We just want to remind everyone that the 25% off special by Family Tree > DNA will end June 30th. Your DNA team is hoping for some 12 and 25 marker > participants to take advantage of the offer. Some 37 marker participants > will also benefit with an upgrade to 67 markers. > > We are enjoying the cool here at around 8,000 feet elevation with our > daughter's families for a week. I find no Kincaid's of any spelling in the > local phone directory.....even checked Kyn's. I guess we are still a minor > surname which is an advantage in tracing lineage. > > Have a great weekend! > > Don W. Kincaid > # 1427 > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings from Big Bear Lake, California, We just want to remind everyone that the 25% off special by Family Tree DNA will end June 30th. Your DNA team is hoping for some 12 and 25 marker participants to take advantage of the offer. Some 37 marker participants will also benefit with an upgrade to 67 markers. We are enjoying the cool here at around 8,000 feet elevation with our daughter's families for a week. I find no Kincaid's of any spelling in the local phone directory.....even checked Kyn's. I guess we are still a minor surname which is an advantage in tracing lineage. Have a great weekend! Don W. Kincaid # 1427