Peter, Did I miss something? 2564 matches up with whom? Please fill me in if there is a new version of and to the chart.  Thanks.....Jeff Bergman 8th great grandson of John and Nancy Young Kincaid.. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart Fascinating news on the DNA front.  So the Fincastle Kincaids appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this.  On the other front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down.  What interesting news!  Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. Gotta love this DNA technology. Peter

Most of Rev. Joseph Kinkead's known descendants use the spelling of Kincaid. Things flip so much in families one has to be open to all spellings. Most were illiterate and were recorded with spellings at the whim of the recorder. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart, Rev Jos. Kinkead of Killinchy > Ahem. > > Killinchy, County Down contains the grave of Rev. Joseph KINKEAD. While > we're conditioned to ignore the spelling mutations of immigrants, this one > (mine) goes back to the old country and is virtually universal in our > line, > though the reason for the change is still unclear to me. > > Dick Kinkead 2562

You can sometimes buy these shirts on ebay also. -----Original Message----- From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kinkead Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:44 AM To: Genealogy, KINCAID Subject: [KINCAID] Kilt wearer heads-up Those given to wearing the kilt during hot-weather summer and early fall Scottish games might be interested in a find I made today. (No, not "Scotch: Making white men dance since 1492" Tee-shirts, but I like those). A very large outdoor outfitting company (in Nebraska) offers in its latest catalog an item labeled "Serengeti Safari Shirt." They come in various shades of green, tan and blue all of which go perfectly with KINCAID green tartan, have a British style to them; i.e. button-down pockets, epaulets, etc., are made of 6 oz. 100% cotton, and range in sizes up to XXXXXL (long and short sleeve). At games these are sold at twice the price and 2X - 5X sizes are impossible to find. Luckily I've shrunk out of my 5X and 4X (and my 60-inch kilt) but I still sympathize. To be fair, for all I know the OTHER big outfitting company (in Missouri) may carry these as well. Both have websites and catalogs. -------- ALSO, for KINCAID Clan-tent operators, my free banner offer is ongoing; three satisfied takers so far. I just replaced my old Epson 4000 with a new Epson 4880 wide-format printer. Weatherproof, lightweight, dacron canvas banner cloth can be had from an outfit in Salt Lake City. Dick Kinkead 2562 Lantana, FL To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have sent a new chart to Alice. Depending on her schedule it could take a day or so to appear on her web page. Some of the participants in Group A sets will notice they are not in the same order within the set. I wanted to emphasize geographical references and possible connections rather than scattered mutations that may or may not have any meaning. Remember that the gray shading is to help your eyes move across the page. It does not have any special meaning. Please let me know directly seleaml@actionnet.net if I need to correct anything before posting the next chart in August. I definately make errors. If you communicate with me directly, PLEASE include your Group-set and kit number. We have over 100 participants and sometimes my occassionally befuddled mind needs a reminder of which ancestor and set of results we are communicating about. It would be great if some of you who have not vetted their line would find time to put together a vetting post this month. Knowing the DNA reading is only half of making connections using that information. Assurance that indeed every participant links to their given earliest ancestor helps sort possible connections and define possible group structures. Sometimes we cannot find solid proof getting back as far as we know we should go but vetting as far back as solid proof is a available may allow concentrated effort on finding material to justify the iffier linkage. By posting the vetting information you also may find cousins among those who are not in the project. I will be happy to review for clarity and format any vetting post before it goes to the list. A few words about some of the columns in the chart. Surname column. If I have not put the correct spelling for your ancestor let me know. Particularly after 1800 or so this can make a difference as spellings became crystalized and less reliant on other peoples guesses about how the name should be spelled. The State/Province/Country and County/Shire columns should be the one you most associate with your ancestor or where you might seek to make connections. It might be the first place you find him, it might be a birth, marriage or death place, or it might be where he spent most of his adult life. The choice is up to you. In the comment column some participants have a possible/probable father for the earliest ancestor. Also in this column some participants who share and earliest ancestor with another participant have an indication of which son they descend from. I would like to carry the lineage down until they divirge for each of the multiple lines from the same ancestor but I will need that information for those lines I do not already show. The line migration column attempts to follow the lineage as it moves from location to location down to the 1850 census. Doing this allows others to see where their ancestors may have crossed paths with this line. There are only a few participants who have not traced their line back to 1850. Giving the movement of their line up to 1900 may be of help. I do not have line migration for all participants. Sue Liedtke

Ahem. Killinchy, County Down contains the grave of Rev. Joseph KINKEAD. While we're conditioned to ignore the spelling mutations of immigrants, this one (mine) goes back to the old country and is virtually universal in our line, though the reason for the change is still unclear to me. Dick Kinkead 2562 > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> > To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart > > Fascinating news on the DNA front. So the Fincastle Kincaids > appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! > If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this. On the other > front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. > Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down. What interesting > news! Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. > Gotta love this DNA technology. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net>

Those given to wearing the kilt during hot-weather summer and early fall Scottish games might be interested in a find I made today. (No, not "Scotch: Making white men dance since 1492" Tee-shirts, but I like those). A very large outdoor outfitting company (in Nebraska) offers in its latest catalog an item labeled "Serengeti Safari Shirt." They come in various shades of green, tan and blue all of which go perfectly with KINCAID green tartan, have a British style to them; i.e. button-down pockets, epaulets, etc., are made of 6 oz. 100% cotton, and range in sizes up to XXXXXL (long and short sleeve). At games these are sold at twice the price and 2X - 5X sizes are impossible to find. Luckily I've shrunk out of my 5X and 4X (and my 60-inch kilt) but I still sympathize. To be fair, for all I know the OTHER big outfitting company (in Missouri) may carry these as well. Both have websites and catalogs. -------- ALSO, for KINCAID Clan-tent operators, my free banner offer is ongoing; three satisfied takers so far. I just replaced my old Epson 4000 with a new Epson 4880 wide-format printer. Weatherproof, lightweight, dacron canvas banner cloth can be had from an outfit in Salt Lake City. Dick Kinkead 2562 Lantana, FL

Almost all references to Kincaid in Albemarle Co. are Kinkead. Gradually the shift to Kincaid starts showing up in records but not everyone changed the spelling. For instance Kinkead Caldwell, son of Samuel Caldwell and perhaps a Kincaid wife, spelled his name Kinkead until he died in the early 1800's but his wife Sarah Kincaid's father spelled his name Kincaid as did most of the other Greenbrier families. Many of the Greenbrier families can be traced directly to Albemarle Co. where they were Kinkead. I think during the 1700's it has more to do with whose writing the particular document and who taught them to write then what the prefered spelling would be. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart, Rev Jos. Kinkead of Killinchy > Ahem. > > Killinchy, County Down contains the grave of Rev. Joseph KINKEAD. While > we're conditioned to ignore the spelling mutations of immigrants, this one > (mine) goes back to the old country and is virtually universal in our > line, > though the reason for the change is still unclear to me. > > Dick Kinkead 2562 > >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> >> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart >> >> Fascinating news on the DNA front. So the Fincastle Kincaids >> appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! >> If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this. On the other >> front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. >> Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down. What interesting >> news! Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. >> Gotta love this DNA technology. >> >> Peter >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry about that last message. I was deleting old messages, and hit the wrong button. Carol

----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart Fascinating news on the DNA front. So the Fincastle Kincaids appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this. On the other front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down. What interesting news! Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. Gotta love this DNA technology. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart >I will be updating the chart in a few days. We have new results to be >added. Leslie has a few changes she would like to have me make before >posting. Actually I believe she has several people so close to being vetted >that she is hoping for the last bit of information to arrive. The new chart >will change slightly to reflect the increased distance between Group C sets >1&2. Both sets will retain the same labels since if either set connects to >any other group it will be to each other. However, now each set will have >its own node value to emphasize that any connection between the 2 would >have occured in the far, far distant past. > > Sue Liedtke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@burgoyne.com> > To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:24 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart > > >> Dick, >> >> You find it here: >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> Alice Gedge >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@earthlink.net> >> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:15 AM >> Subject: [KINCAID] DNA chart >> >> >>> Folks- >>> >>> What is the web address of the Kincaid DNA chart? I seem to have lost >>> it. Thanks, >>> >>> Dick Kinkead >>> Lantana, FL >>> >>> >>> ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== >>> Search the Kincaid list message archive at: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KINCAID-L/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.0/345 - Release Date: 5/22/2006 >>> >> >> >> ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== >> A mailing list for the discussion of the name >> KINCAID, KINKead, KINKade, KINCADE, and other various >> spelling, at any place, and at any time. >> > > > ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== > Search the Kincaid list message archive at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KINCAID-L/ > > ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== A mailing list for the discussion of the name KINCAID, KINKead, KINKade, KINCADE, and other various spelling, at any place, and at any time.

KINCAID-Sandra Y., age 68, Omaha. Survived by husband, Robert Kincaid; daughters and sons-in-law, Judy and Paul Mai, Pam and Pat Jones, Kristy and Mike Bielenberg; 10 grandchildren. In lieu of flowers, Memorials to the family. FUNERAL SERVICES 2pm Tuesday at Kountze Memorial Lutheran Church, 2650 Farnam, Omaha. Interment Hillcrest Memorial Park. VISITATION Monday 6-8pm Roeder Mortuary. ROEDER MORTUARY 2727 North 108th St. 496-9000 Published in the Omaha World-Herald from 6/27/2008 - 6/30/2008.

Looking for my own Kinkeads in Henry County, Iowa*, I found Mabel Kincaid's obit: http://www.funeralplan2.com/olsonpowell/archive?id=107993 Dick Kinkead 2562 Lantana, FL *Albert W. "Judge" Kinkead, Lorena W. Kinkead, Leah Kinkead Becker, Ida B. Kinkead

Ruth- Only two of the three test posts came through. My reply to your notice (which was itself a reply to the non-member's post) did not come back. I'll try once more as a "Reply All," and we'll see what happens. Dick Kinkead 2562

Ruth, Norman and others- THIS is a test reply to Norman's post. We'll see what happens among the three posts. Thanks for calling my attention to the problem. Dick K. 2562 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:39 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Capt. John Kincaid Dear Kincaid-listers, . . . To gain an overall view of what was being litigated and to see the frequency of fornication and bastardy indictments for Chester County, PA . . .

Ruth and others- THIS is an original reply to Ruth's post. I'll also reply to Norman's post about fornication and bastardy and we'll see what happens among the three posts. Thanks for calling my attention to the problem. Dick K. 2562

Now I'm wondering who Robert's other sons were. And who was his wife? The only reference to Ireland I ever heard my grandfather utter was "Sligo." Dick Kinkead 2562 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Cc: <jccohen3@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fw: Charles Kinkead Tall Case Clock Research > The only Charles Kinkead, clockmaker of Strabane, that > I am aware of flourished in the 1760s. He was then a > young man so he was probably born in the early to mid 1730s. > He was the eldest son and heir of Robert Kinkead of Island > McHugh, County Tyrone, Ireland (later of Corhobber, County > Sligo, Ireland). Island McHugh is at the head of Lough Catherine > and adjacent to Baronscourt, the seat of the Earls of Abercorn. > Robert was deceased by 28 December 1762 and left a > widow, Mary who I am quite certain was Charles Kinkead's > mother. Charles went bankrupt around 4 July 1769 and > appears to have left Ireland. I am uncertain what became > of him. > > I suspect that James Kinkead, clockmaker, of Christiana Bridge, > New Castle County, Delaware was a brother of Charles Kinkead > of Strabane. There is good circumstantial evidence for this. > > Best wishes! > > Peter A. Kincaid > Fredericton, NB, Canada >

This group of names is quite interesting. My grandfather was Charles Kinkade, who was the son of William, grandson of Arthur, and gr-grandson of Robert b. 1742 in Ireland >PA> Hardin County, KY. I know that Norman can't find him in the Pennsylvania records, but his RW file lists him as being from PA. We have a Mary in every generation. My line is in group A, set 1c. Also, Robert supposedly had a brother James, according to information sent to me quite awhile ago. Barb Van Hout ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Cc: <jccohen3@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fw: Charles Kinkead Tall Case Clock Research > The only Charles Kinkead, clockmaker of Strabane, that > I am aware of flourished in the 1760s. He was then a > young man so he was probably born in the early to mid 1730s. > He was the eldest son and heir of Robert Kinkead of Island > McHugh, County Tyrone, Ireland (later of Corhobber, County > Sligo, Ireland). Island McHugh is at the head of Lough Catherine > and adjacent to Baronscourt, the seat of the Earls of Abercorn. > Robert was deceased by 28 December 1762 and left a > widow, Mary who I am quite certain was Charles Kinkead's > mother. Charles went bankrupt around 4 July 1769 and > appears to have left Ireland. I am uncertain what became > of him. > > I suspect that James Kinkead, clockmaker, of Christiana Bridge, > New Castle County, Delaware was a brother of Charles Kinkead > of Strabane. There is good circumstantial evidence for this. > > Best wishes! > > Peter A. Kincaid > Fredericton, NB, Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jccohen3" <jccohen3@comcast.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Joe Cohen" <jccohen3@comcast.net> > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:26 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: Charles Kinkead Tall Case Clock Research > > >> Hello, I hope someone can help me. I am interested in any information on >> Charles Kinkead of Strabane, date of birth & death immediate family etc . >> I am researching him for one of my antique classes, I have a mahogany >> tall >> clock with his name and Strabane engraved on the dial and would >> appreciate >> any help you could offer about this clockmaker. Thank You Joe >> Cohen, >> Antique Class Instructor Broward County Public Schools Adult Education >> Ft. >> Lauderdale Florida USA > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The only Charles Kinkead, clockmaker of Strabane, that I am aware of flourished in the 1760s. He was then a young man so he was probably born in the early to mid 1730s. He was the eldest son and heir of Robert Kinkead of Island McHugh, County Tyrone, Ireland (later of Corhobber, County Sligo, Ireland). Island McHugh is at the head of Lough Catherine and adjacent to Baronscourt, the seat of the Earls of Abercorn. Robert was deceased by 28 December 1762 and left a widow, Mary who I am quite certain was Charles Kinkead's mother. Charles went bankrupt around 4 July 1769 and appears to have left Ireland. I am uncertain what became of him. I suspect that James Kinkead, clockmaker, of Christiana Bridge, New Castle County, Delaware was a brother of Charles Kinkead of Strabane. There is good circumstantial evidence for this. Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "jccohen3" <jccohen3@comcast.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Joe Cohen" <jccohen3@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:26 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: Charles Kinkead Tall Case Clock Research > Hello, I hope someone can help me. I am interested in any information on > Charles Kinkead of Strabane, date of birth & death immediate family etc . > I am researching him for one of my antique classes, I have a mahogany tall > clock with his name and Strabane engraved on the dial and would appreciate > any help you could offer about this clockmaker. Thank You Joe Cohen, > Antique Class Instructor Broward County Public Schools Adult Education Ft. > Lauderdale Florida USA

Dear Kincaid-listers, I have found a citation that indicates who Capt. John Kincaid, of the Chester County, PA militia: 1777       John Kinkaid, [000012] Captain, Oxford Township, papers, yes, see, Ramsey, November 1777, Assault &                     Battery, victim/complainant,Willliam Blair.  Chester County Archives & Records Service,                 Index to Quarter Sessions Indictment Records, 1681-1778 To gain an overall view of what was being litigated and to see the frequency of fornication and bastardy cases scroll through the indictments for Chester County, PA at the following links: http://dsf.chesco.org/archives/cwp/view.asp?a=3&Q=635211&PM=1 http://dsf.chesco.org/archives/cwp/view.asp?a=3&Q=609990 http://dsf.chesco.org/archives/cwp/view.asp?a=3&Q=609969&archivesNav=|34185| go to online indexes, quarter session indicments, 1681-1778 Sincerely 'Norman Kincaide

The fellow who wrote the email inquiry below, Joe Cohen, needs to have inperson answers as well as to the list. He is not a member of the List, and I had to clear the email from the Rootsweb blocked emails. Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 7/1/2008 5:17:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, rkinkead11@comcast.net writes: Hoo-hah! Am I anxious to see any replies to this interesting inquiry. And what a smart move, Mr. Cohen, to post it here. I was under the impression that the clockmakers were Joseph and Alexander Kinkead of Philadelphia. Now it appears that they have a relative who was making clocks in Ireland. Dick Kinkead Lantana, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "jccohen3" <jccohen3@comcast.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Joe Cohen" <jccohen3@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:26 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: Charles Kinkead Tall Case Clock Research > Hello, I hope someone can help me. I am interested in any information on > Charles Kinkead of Strabane, date of birth & death immediate family etc . > I am researching him for one of my antique classes, I have a mahogany tall > clock with his name and Strabane engraved on the dial and would appreciate > any help you could offer about this clockmaker. Thank You Joe Cohen, > Antique Class Instructor Broward County Public Schools Adult Education Ft. > Lauderdale Florida USA **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Hoo-hah! Am I anxious to see any replies to this interesting inquiry. And what a smart move, Mr. Cohen, to post it here. I was under the impression that the clockmakers were Joseph and Alexander Kinkead of Philadelphia. Now it appears that they have a relative who was making clocks in Ireland. Dick Kinkead Lantana, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "jccohen3" <jccohen3@comcast.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Joe Cohen" <jccohen3@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:26 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: Charles Kinkead Tall Case Clock Research > Hello, I hope someone can help me. I am interested in any information on > Charles Kinkead of Strabane, date of birth & death immediate family etc . > I am researching him for one of my antique classes, I have a mahogany tall > clock with his name and Strabane engraved on the dial and would appreciate > any help you could offer about this clockmaker. Thank You Joe Cohen, > Antique Class Instructor Broward County Public Schools Adult Education Ft. > Lauderdale Florida USA