We had occasion to check 5850's DNA matches and were amazed to see he had 434 12 marker matches since the most we had seen were 101 which were all in A 1a & 1b and 2b. This made me wonder how many matches each of the Kincaid DNA groups might have so compiled them for various 12 marker matches with the variation each shows from the AAV of Group A. I don't know if the lines will stay straight and show properly on Roostweb. Group A Set 1a #2562 101 matches AAV Set 1b #2563 101 matches 12 on Marker 26 Set 1c 15779 435 matches 11 on Marker 4 Set 2a #4164 434 matches 11 on # 4 Set 2b #1259 101 matches 9 on # 15 Set 4 #49844 1 match 10 on #5 Group B #9295 35 matches 11 on #4, 16 on # 6 Group C #7529 9 matches 25 on # 2, 10 on # 4, 13 on # 8, 30 on # 12 Group D #98074 28 matches 22 on # 2, 10 on #4, 14 on #5, 15 on # 6, 11 on #7, 14 on # 8, 11 on #11 Group E #16870 2 matches 25 on #2, 15 on #3, 10 on #4, 13 on #5, 11 on # 7, 13 on #8, 12 on #10, 11 on # 11, 28 on # 12 Group F #11651 69 matches 24 on #2, 11 on #4, 15 on # 6 Group G #26838 94 matches differs on all except # 9 and # 12 Group H #49951 0 matches differs on all except 1,2, 8 & 9 There are no scientific conclusions that can be drawn from the above info but thought I would share with you. It does look like the 11 result on Marker 4 is the reason for so many matches for A 1c and 2a. Don

Hi everyone coming to Scotland. I hope you enjoy your visit here. The weather has been very wet so come prepared. Peter has given you a very comprehensive list. If you came a few years ago you will notice a big change at Lennox Castle. As well as Celtic FC training ground there are now large numbers of houses. I am sure you will have a good time. I am going to Kincaid House Hotel for my friends Ruby Wedding in August. It is a lovely place. Remember to enjoy a coffee in the teashop at St Machan's Churchyard. Aileen Kincaid (Glasgow)

I counted 16 sites in 67 where the DNA does not match our Group A Apparent Ancestral Value. Group A is your 12/12 match. Several of the sites have several step descrepancies. That is a lot unless the connection was much, much earlier than 1700. Group A seems to be quite consistent with a few significant mutations and some scattered mutations that appear to be of later origin. No one has near 16 sites with variances. We know the line originated in Scotland and suspect that if there is a connection it would be well before migration to Ireland. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: Don W. Kincaid To: David Jackson ; Kincaid Rootsweb List Cc: Sue Liedtke ; Ruth Cherecwich Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Joining The Kincaid Project Kincaid's, Perhaps someone can help David who just joined the Kincaid DNA project. He may be able to help some of us also since he has done a lot of N. Ireland research for 30 years! Morning David, I was in the process of writing a note to you when your email came in. We are happy to have you join our project. In looking at your matches your results are very unusual to have so many Kincaid's of some spelling in your exact 12 marker matches and genetic distance of 1 for 12 markers and then none for your 25, 37 & 67 markers. The 12 marker test is not worth very much in determining family lineage but with so many Kincaid 12 marker matches it is unusual there are not some in the 25 & up results. It looks like you have 42 exact matches with participants in the Kincaid project at 12 markers. You also have 11 matches with Kincaid's at a genetic distance of 1. There is a very active Roots web Kincaid discussion list which we will forward your email to which may result in getting some help on your line. We are very interested in N. Ireland Kincaid's of all spellings and would very much like to have copies of any Kincaid of any spelling documents you have for N. Ireland. If you want to join the Kincaid list go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/k/kincaid.html You can also search the archives from this page. Don W. Kincaid Kincaid Surname DNA Admin. donwkincaid@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: David Jackson To: donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net ; seleaml@actionnet.net ; Utahn1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: Joining The Kincaid Project Project Coordinator, I just went through my homepage to join your project. You may find it odd that I am joining the Kincaid family project but I have learned that I am matching a lot of Kincaids and I am hoping that just maybe I will find a link with that name. It's not as crazy as it might sound. I have always strongly suspected from my research that my Jacksons are connected to a prominent Jackson family in Coleraine, Northern Ireland (where my family is from) who had a coat of arms and therefore have a long and well documented pedigree. I have seen first hand where, say a Mr. Jackson would marry a Miss Kincaid and they have a son. They realize that Miss Kincaid's family has a lot of land and a lot of money at stake with no male heirs in the Kincaid line so that Mr. and Mrs. Jackson gives their son the last name of Kincaid. I am a 30-year genealogy veteran and would like an opportunity to learn more about possible Kincaid cousins. David Jackson

Well folks, David Jackson tells me that most of his research was in the colonies and states but does believe in the accuracy of his lineage tracing back to Coleraine, N. Ireland. Peter has brought up an interesting bit of info in connection with the Kincaid's and Jackson's of Coleraine. To clarify David Jackson's matches he only has one match at 25, 37 and 67 markers, all being the same person Kenneth Ray Pergrem who shows a 67.33% chance of a common ancestor with David at 8 generations and a 90.44% probability at 12 generations based on the 67 marker results. He has a genetic distance of 2 at 25 markers and a distance of 4 on both the 37 and 67 marker results with Pergrem. I would be interested to know what some of you deep thinkers think about the 100% match from 38 to 67 markers for David. I'm sure David will be in contact with Pergrem to check their relatedness. If you feel you might have some help for David, please use his home email address: lovestolearn68@sbcglobal.net Great email name David! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com ; David Jackson Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Joining The Kincaid Project The way I read this is that David tested at 67 markers and is not close to the Kincaids at this resolution. The closeness is only at the 12 markers. Is there a Ysearch ID we could refer to? In terms of the Coleraine connection this is most interesting. William Kinkead, wine merchant of Coleraine, and one time Chamberlain of Coleraine, was quite close to the prominent Jackson family there. Richard Jackson erected a stone memorial to William in St. Patrick's Church in Coleraine. Again I am interested in learning more about the 67 marker closeness. Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> To: "David Jackson" <davidjackson@tyndale.com>; "Kincaid Rootsweb List" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Joining The Kincaid Project > Kincaid's, Perhaps someone can help David who just joined the Kincaid DNA > project. He may be able to help some of us also since he has done a lot of > N. Ireland research for 30 years! > > Morning David, > > I was in the process of writing a note to you when your email came in. We > are happy to have you join our project. > > In looking at your matches your results are very unusual to have so many > Kincaid's of some spelling in your exact 12 marker matches and genetic > distance of 1 for 12 markers and then none for your 25, 37 & 67 markers. > The 12 marker test is not worth very much in determining family lineage > but with so many Kincaid 12 marker matches it is unusual there are not > some in the 25 & up results. It looks like you have 42 exact matches with > participants in the Kincaid project at 12 markers. You also have 11 > matches with Kincaid's at a genetic distance of 1. > > There is a very active Roots web Kincaid discussion list which we will > forward your email to which may result in getting some help on your line. > We are very interested in N. Ireland Kincaid's of all spellings and would > very much like to have copies of any Kincaid of any spelling documents you > have for N. Ireland. If you want to join the Kincaid list go to > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/k/kincaid.html You can > also search the archives from this page. > > Don W. Kincaid > Kincaid Surname DNA Admin. > donwkincaid@cox.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Jackson > To: donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net ; seleaml@actionnet.net ; Utahn1@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:10 AM > Subject: Joining The Kincaid Project > > > Project Coordinator, > > I just went through my homepage to join your project. You may find > it odd that I am joining the Kincaid family project but I have learned > that I am matching a lot of Kincaids and I am hoping that just maybe I > will find a link with that name. It's not as crazy as it might sound. I > have always strongly suspected from my research that my Jacksons are > connected to a prominent Jackson family in Coleraine, Northern Ireland > (where my family is from) who had a coat of arms and therefore have a long > and well documented pedigree. I have seen first hand where, say a Mr. > Jackson would marry a Miss Kincaid and they have a son. They realize that > Miss Kincaid's family has a lot of land and a lot of money at stake with > no male heirs in the Kincaid line so that Mr. and Mrs. Jackson gives their > son the last name of Kincaid. I am a 30-year genealogy veteran and would > like an opportunity to learn more about possible Kincaid cousins. > > > > David Jackson > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The way I read this is that David tested at 67 markers and is not close to the Kincaids at this resolution. The closeness is only at the 12 markers. Is there a Ysearch ID we could refer to? In terms of the Coleraine connection this is most interesting. William Kinkead, wine merchant of Coleraine, and one time Chamberlain of Coleraine, was quite close to the prominent Jackson family there. Richard Jackson erected a stone memorial to William in St. Patrick's Church in Coleraine. Again I am interested in learning more about the 67 marker closeness. Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> To: "David Jackson" <davidjackson@tyndale.com>; "Kincaid Rootsweb List" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Joining The Kincaid Project > Kincaid's, Perhaps someone can help David who just joined the Kincaid DNA > project. He may be able to help some of us also since he has done a lot of > N. Ireland research for 30 years! > > Morning David, > > I was in the process of writing a note to you when your email came in. We > are happy to have you join our project. > > In looking at your matches your results are very unusual to have so many > Kincaid's of some spelling in your exact 12 marker matches and genetic > distance of 1 for 12 markers and then none for your 25, 37 & 67 markers. > The 12 marker test is not worth very much in determining family lineage > but with so many Kincaid 12 marker matches it is unusual there are not > some in the 25 & up results. It looks like you have 42 exact matches with > participants in the Kincaid project at 12 markers. You also have 11 > matches with Kincaid's at a genetic distance of 1. > > There is a very active Roots web Kincaid discussion list which we will > forward your email to which may result in getting some help on your line. > We are very interested in N. Ireland Kincaid's of all spellings and would > very much like to have copies of any Kincaid of any spelling documents you > have for N. Ireland. If you want to join the Kincaid list go to > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/k/kincaid.html You can > also search the archives from this page. > > Don W. Kincaid > Kincaid Surname DNA Admin. > donwkincaid@cox.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Jackson > To: donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net ; seleaml@actionnet.net ; Utahn1@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:10 AM > Subject: Joining The Kincaid Project > > > Project Coordinator, > > I just went through my homepage to join your project. You may find > it odd that I am joining the Kincaid family project but I have learned > that I am matching a lot of Kincaids and I am hoping that just maybe I > will find a link with that name. It's not as crazy as it might sound. I > have always strongly suspected from my research that my Jacksons are > connected to a prominent Jackson family in Coleraine, Northern Ireland > (where my family is from) who had a coat of arms and therefore have a long > and well documented pedigree. I have seen first hand where, say a Mr. > Jackson would marry a Miss Kincaid and they have a son. They realize that > Miss Kincaid's family has a lot of land and a lot of money at stake with > no male heirs in the Kincaid line so that Mr. and Mrs. Jackson gives their > son the last name of Kincaid. I am a 30-year genealogy veteran and would > like an opportunity to learn more about possible Kincaid cousins. > > > > David Jackson > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Kincaid's, Perhaps someone can help David who just joined the Kincaid DNA project. He may be able to help some of us also since he has done a lot of N. Ireland research for 30 years! Morning David, I was in the process of writing a note to you when your email came in. We are happy to have you join our project. In looking at your matches your results are very unusual to have so many Kincaid's of some spelling in your exact 12 marker matches and genetic distance of 1 for 12 markers and then none for your 25, 37 & 67 markers. The 12 marker test is not worth very much in determining family lineage but with so many Kincaid 12 marker matches it is unusual there are not some in the 25 & up results. It looks like you have 42 exact matches with participants in the Kincaid project at 12 markers. You also have 11 matches with Kincaid's at a genetic distance of 1. There is a very active Roots web Kincaid discussion list which we will forward your email to which may result in getting some help on your line. We are very interested in N. Ireland Kincaid's of all spellings and would very much like to have copies of any Kincaid of any spelling documents you have for N. Ireland. If you want to join the Kincaid list go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/k/kincaid.html You can also search the archives from this page. Don W. Kincaid Kincaid Surname DNA Admin. donwkincaid@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: David Jackson To: donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net ; seleaml@actionnet.net ; Utahn1@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: Joining The Kincaid Project Project Coordinator, I just went through my homepage to join your project. You may find it odd that I am joining the Kincaid family project but I have learned that I am matching a lot of Kincaids and I am hoping that just maybe I will find a link with that name. It's not as crazy as it might sound. I have always strongly suspected from my research that my Jacksons are connected to a prominent Jackson family in Coleraine, Northern Ireland (where my family is from) who had a coat of arms and therefore have a long and well documented pedigree. I have seen first hand where, say a Mr. Jackson would marry a Miss Kincaid and they have a son. They realize that Miss Kincaid's family has a lot of land and a lot of money at stake with no male heirs in the Kincaid line so that Mr. and Mrs. Jackson gives their son the last name of Kincaid. I am a 30-year genealogy veteran and would like an opportunity to learn more about possible Kincaid cousins. David Jackson

Thomas, Norman or Kim may be better able to answer your question though having additional information about your Samuel J. would be a big help. The inclusion of location and wife's name are clues for possible identification. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Kinkead" <tomree@tampabay.rr.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA #122441 ancestry > Sue Liedtke: Sue i see in your E-Mail listing for Jonathan E.Kincaid,the > name John Kincaid marriage to Margaret Miles 1782, Cumberland County. > As i have been searching for my ancestor Samuel J.Kinkead,Born > 6/23/1782,could their be a possible connection? [Hope springs eternal] > Thank > you.Tom Kinkead #20720. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:05 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] DNA #122441 ancestry > > >> Kim Kincaid, contact for husband Jonathan E. Kincaid DNA #122441, has >> sent >> me lineage information and given permission to share same. She will be >> working on a vetting post later this summer. >> >> Jonathan Kincaid >> Jerome A Kincaid & Martha Weathermon >> Arthur M Kincaid m Ruth Basore 1931 >> Albert H. Kincaid m Dora Mattox 1886 Orange Co. IN >> Martin Kincaid m Mary Anna Hollowell 1852 Washington Co. IN >> Andrew Kincaid m Margaret Scott 1823 Crawford Co. IN >> John Kincaid m Margaret Miles 1782 Cumberland Co. PA >> >> Norman's vetting post on April 20, 2007 shows that the next link is >> George >> Kincaid born c1733 died 1790 m prior 1758 Jean Mitchell. This is very >> exciting in that #122441 does not have the marker 4 (DYS 391) mutation to >> 11. Kim seems to be a document oriented researcher so vetting #122441 >> should >> isolate Norman's 11 at marker 4 downline from John/Margaret Miles. >> #122441's >> results for markers 13 to 37 have not been returned. Confirmation that he >> has a 9 at marker 15 (DYS 459b) is eagerly awaited. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:44 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart >> >> >>> Jeff, this post was originally made when the results for 55675 and 60141 >>> were first returned. The marker 4 (DYS391) and marker 35 (DYS CDYb) >>> mutations that Peter's comments are refering to appear to have occured >>> as >>> parallel mutations several times within the project so basing a >>> relationship >>> or lack of relationship on these mutations is a bit iffy unless the >>> paper >>> trail suggests otherwise. The mutations cannot be dismissed and should >>> be >>> confirmed or isolated if at all possible. >>> >>> Within Group A set 1c, which is based on the marker 4 mutation to 11 for >>> want of any other distinguishing attribute, we know that: >>> >>> #4588, #92549 and #5850 all seem to have inherited the mutation from >>> Robert/Mary Bowman. >>> >>> #33001 has a paper trail that suggests that his mutation is parallel and >>> occurred downline from a common ancestor with #101753 who does not have >>> the >>> mutation. >>> >>> #55675, #35199 and #2564 may have had a common source for the mutation >>> as >>> the 1800 families do know and interact with each other, however, >>> #55675's >>> ancestor does have a close association with earliest ancestors >>> (including >>> those of #60141, #2565 and #31493) who do not have the mutation. >>> >>> #15779, #23547 and #64507 lines do not cross paths with any of the >>> others >>> during the known line histories, it is hard to say how ancient their >>> mutation is or whether or not it is probable (though definately >>> possible) >>> it >>> came from a common ancestor with anyone else in the set.. >>> >>> Mutations to 11 at marker 4 also occur in A-1b, A-2a, A-2b and A-4. In >>> each >>> of these cases it would be unlikely that the mutation was from a common >>> ancestor with any of the others or with any in A-1c. >>> >>> Sue Liedtke >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jeff Bergman" <jeffancom@yahoo.com> >>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart >>> >>> >>> Peter, Did I miss something? 2564 matches up with whom? Please fill me >>> in >>> if >>> there is a new version of and to the chart. Thanks.....Jeff Bergman 8th >>> great grandson of John and Nancy Young Kincaid.. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> >>> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart >>> >>> Fascinating news on the DNA front. So the Fincastle Kincaids >>> appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! >>> If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this. On the other >>> front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. >>> Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down. What interesting >>> news! Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. >>> Gotta love this DNA technology. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To >>> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>> toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotesin the subject and the body of the message >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The last of #122441's ordered tests have been returned. He has only 2 variances from the Group A Apparent Ancestral Value. The most significant one is at marker 15 (DYS 459b) where he has the set 2 nine instead of the set 1 ten. The only other variance occurs at marker 31 (DSY 607) where he has a 15 instead of the AAV 14. He has been placed in Group A set 2a. His results have tremendous significance because it is believed he descends from John/Margaret Miles Kincaid. The researcher for this line appears to be dilagent and the anticipation is that he can be vetted to this ancestor without problem. When vetted his results will isolate the marker 4 (DYS 391) mutation to 11 of #4164 (who is vetted to George/Jean Mitchell through son John/Margaret) downline from John/Margaret. Vetting will also isolate #122441's marker 31 mutation downline from John/Margaret as #4164 does not have this mutation. Marker 4 (DYS 391) is our greatest problem in looking at possible pathways between the various sets in Group A. This site is considered stable but we have what looks like many parallel mutations to the value of 11 scattered throughout the sets and subsets for Group A.. Parallel mutations are thought to be rare so there has always been the possibility that somehow those with an 11 at this marker may have inherited the mutation from a single event which would mean that parallel mutations had occured at several other sites. Isolating as many mutations to 11 as possible significantly reduces the remote chance that the chart interpretation of DNA results is in error and decreases the importance of this particular mutation in the overall family structure. A possible explanation for the observed volitility of marker 4 is that the Group A AAV of 12 is at the very top of the observed range for this marker and the site is much more unstable at this value than it is at lower values. Since a repetition of a string cannot be added any mutation means a drop to the value of 11. There may also be an inherited propensity for the cell not to repair mutations that occur during reproductive division making some lines more prone to mutation than others. Sue Liedtke

Aileen- What's a "Ruby Wedding?" The bride wears red? Dick Kinkead 2562 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aileen F Kincaid" <aileen.kincaid@ntlworld.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] to Do on Vacation in Scotland > Hi everyone coming to Scotland. > > I hope you enjoy your visit here. The weather has been very wet so come > prepared. Peter has given you a very comprehensive list. > > If you came a few years ago you will notice a big change at Lennox Castle. > As well as Celtic FC training ground there are now large numbers of > houses. > I am sure you will have a good time. > I am going to Kincaid House Hotel for my friends Ruby Wedding in August. > It > is a lovely place. > > Remember to enjoy a coffee in the teashop at St Machan's Churchyard. > > Aileen Kincaid (Glasgow) > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was contacted by another descendant of Martin Kincaid last year (David Kincaid of Littleton, Colorado) and shared with me absolute proof that Martin Kincaid is descended from John Kincaid who died in Union Township, Erie County, PA in the form of a letter from Samuel E. Kincaid to Martin Kincaid, see my post of June 21, 2007 with the subject heading: Martin Kincaid son of Andrew Kincaid. Sincerely Norman Kincaid ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2008 9:05:01 AM Subject: [KINCAID] DNA #122441 ancestry Kim Kincaid, contact for husband Jonathan E. Kincaid DNA #122441, has sent me lineage information and given permission to share same. She will be working on a vetting post later this summer. Jonathan Kincaid Jerome A Kincaid & Martha Weathermon Arthur M Kincaid m Ruth Basore 1931 Albert H. Kincaid m Dora Mattox 1886 Orange Co. IN Martin Kincaid m Mary Anna Hollowell 1852 Washington Co. IN Andrew Kincaid m Margaret Scott 1823 Crawford Co. IN John Kincaid m Margaret Miles 1782 Cumberland Co. PA Norman's vetting post on April 20, 2007 shows that the next link is George Kincaid born c1733 died 1790 m prior 1758 Jean Mitchell. This is very exciting in that #122441 does not have the marker 4 (DYS 391) mutation to 11. Kim seems to be a document oriented researcher so vetting #122441 should isolate Norman's 11 at marker 4 downline from John/Margaret Miles. #122441's results for markers 13 to 37 have not been returned. Confirmation that he has a 9 at marker 15 (DYS 459b) is eagerly awaited. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart > Jeff, this post was originally made when the results for 55675 and 60141 > were first returned. The marker 4 (DYS391) and marker 35 (DYS CDYb) > mutations that Peter's comments are refering to appear to have occured as > parallel mutations several times within the project so basing a > relationship > or lack of relationship on these mutations is a bit iffy unless the paper > trail suggests otherwise. The mutations cannot be dismissed and should be > confirmed or isolated if at all possible. > > Within Group A set 1c, which is based on the marker 4 mutation to 11 for > want of any other distinguishing attribute, we know that: > > #4588, #92549 and #5850 all seem to have inherited the mutation from > Robert/Mary Bowman. > > #33001 has a paper trail that suggests that his mutation is parallel and > occurred downline from a common ancestor with #101753 who does not have > the > mutation. > > #55675, #35199 and #2564 may have had a common source for the mutation as > the 1800 families do know and interact with each other, however, #55675's > ancestor does have a close association with earliest ancestors (including > those of #60141, #2565 and #31493) who do not have the mutation. > > #15779, #23547 and #64507 lines do not cross paths with any of the others > during the known line histories, it is hard to say how ancient their > mutation is or whether or not it is probable (though definately possible) > it > came from a common ancestor with anyone else in the set.. > > Mutations to 11 at marker 4 also occur in A-1b, A-2a, A-2b and A-4. In > each > of these cases it would be unlikely that the mutation was from a common > ancestor with any of the others or with any in A-1c. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Bergman" <jeffancom@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart > > > Peter, Did I miss something? 2564 matches up with whom? Please fill me in > if > there is a new version of and to the chart. Thanks.....Jeff Bergman 8th > great grandson of John and Nancy Young Kincaid.. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> > To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart > > Fascinating news on the DNA front. So the Fincastle Kincaids > appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! > If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this. On the other > front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. > Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down. What interesting > news! Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. > Gotta love this DNA technology. > > Peter > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well I would not yet say that we do not descend from a Galbraith. Aside from a likely female connection, the name is such that it could have multiple origins. We could have been one distinct branch of these Britons of Strathclyde. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> To: "Kincaid Rootsweb List" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: [KINCAID] to Do on Vacation in Scotland > Morning, > > Since several Kincaid's plan on going to Scotland I wanted to post your > list of to do's to the K list unless you object. I wonder if you would > like to delete the reference to being descended from Galbraith's in item 8 > since no one in Kincaid DNA groups A thru H show a match of any kind with > a Galbraith. Galbraith DNA project has 68 members. > > I wish I had of had your list in 1985! I did do many of the items. I would > add to visit the archives at Stirling, near Stirling Castle since they > have records dating way back, however in Latin. > > Thanks, > > Don > Are you planning a trip to Scotland? Here are some great places to > visit! > > Author: Peter A. Kincaid > Fredericton, NB, Canada > > 1) Kincaid House near Milton of Campsie. This was the home of the > Kincaid Chiefs from at least the late 1690s to 1921. > > 2) Lennox Castle built by John Lennox Kincaid Lennox between 1837 > and 1841. He was born John Lennox Kincaid and was the last of the > Kincaid Chiefs in the male line. > > 3) Clachan of Campsie cemetery contains the graves of a number of > Kincaids. The Lennox/Kincaid mausoleum is a great Kincaid historical site > as it is sealed with two gravestones of three of the Kincaid Chiefs and > their spouses. Both illustate their coat of arms. > > 4) Check out the ruins of the adjacent church (St. Machan's). This > is where our Kincaid ancestors attended church and were laid to rest. The > early Kincaid were likely buried in vaults underneath the church. > > 5) Take a drive to the place called Kinkell a few miles to the west. > This was possibly the location of the home of the early Kincaid Chiefs. > This would have included some sort of tower of fortification. Some > records I have suggest that this was location of the Kincaid mansion up to > the early 1600s. Sir James Kincaid of that Ilk lived there at that time > and the Kincaids may have lost the mansion when his estates were escheated > after he was put to the horn. Sir James' loyal clan members defended him > and repulsed the King's forces at that site. It is likely that his son > was restored to some of the family's estates but had to move his principal > residence to the new Kincaid site. > > 6) Drive around the area and see the lands the Kincaids held in the > area. They at one time held lands stretching from Torrance on the west to > Antermony on the east. Principal lands were Kincaid, Kinkell, Inchbreak, > Inchbelly and Auchinreoch. The latter became the principal residence of a > wealthy and illustrious branch of the main Kincaid line. Remember the > bloodfeuds fought in the area between the Kincaids and Stirlings (near the > lands of Glorat) and the Kincaids and Lennoxes at Woodhead. > > 7) Visit the Glasgow City archives and view in person some of the > 15th century charters to the Kincaid Chiefs. See their seals as well as > those of some of the famous Scottish leaders of old. > > 8) Visit the nearby Parish of Baldernock to see the lands and haunts > of the old Galbraith Clan. The Galbraiths at one time owned the Kincaid > lands and we likely descended from them. > > 9) Visit the Falkirk area which was the ancestral home of another > Kincaid line. See the gravesite of Sir John Kincaid of the Rifle Brigade; > our hero of the Battle of Waterloo and the Peninsular campaign leading up > to it. The princiapl Kincaid lands lay to the north and northeast of > Falkirk in the Grangemouth area.; notably the lands of Heuk, Saltcoats, > Bantaskine and Abbotsgrange. > > 10) Check out Linlithgow Palace which John Kincaid was Keeper of in > the mid 1400s and likley where > his wife nursed the King's younger son. He held the nearby estate of > Kincavil. His branch of the Kincaids were associated with this area for > some time. The priory of Manuel is a site of interest as the Kincaids were > likely benefactors of this place in the 1400s. The earliest references to > Kincaids and possibly the answer to our Kincaid origins lay in the records > of this religious house. Next visit the nearby Blackness Castle where > Kincaids held lands adjacent to in the 1400s and which John of Kincaid was > likely Keeper of in the 1400s. > > 11) You definitely have to visit Edinburgh Castle where the Kincaids > reached their zenith in the 1500s. > Visit the Great Hall where the Kincaid Chief's coat of arms are one > of the few to grace the hall. They are displayed on a corbel in the > rafters. Thomas and David Kincaid of Coates were Constables of the Castle > in the early 1500s. Their mansion has since been demolished but you can > visit their lands. > > 12) Visit the Abbey of Holyrood where George Kincaid was Bailie in > the late 1400s. This was a very prestigious position at the time. His > son was Bailie of nearby Brouchton. > > 13) Visit the lands of Warriston outside the old city walls of > Edinburgh. The mansion was the scene of the murder of John Kincaid of > Warriston by Robert Weir in 1599/1600. His wife Jean Livingston of > Dunipace was the instigator and was beaheaded on "the Maiden" for her > part. The murder was famous for many years to come. > > 15) Walk down the Leith Wynd which was the scene of a brawl between > the Kincaids of Warriston and the Logans of Bonnington. This marked the > culmination of their feud. > > 16) Visit the Napier University, to the southwest of Edinburgh, > which sits on the lands of Craiglockart. This was the principal estate of > the Kincaid Chiefs outside their ancestral lands. Check to see if the > ruins of the old tower of Craiglockhart still exists. > > 17) Look for what was known as Ramsay's book shop in Edinburgh. It > is famous in the 1700s for the literary giants of the day who frequented > it. It was previously owned by Alexander Kincaid and he, as King's > Printer, helped nuture its reputation. He rose to become Lord Provost of > Edinburgh in 1776 and died in office in 1777. His death was greatly > lamented and was reportedly at that time the largest funeral the City was > to see since the Union. Visit his grave in the New Greyfriars Churchyard. > Take a photo of the Kincaid tomb while there. See if you can locate a > portrait of Alexander Kincaid at City Hall or at the museum (get a photo > if you do!). > > 18) In the Newington district of Edinburgh was the Convent of St. > Katherine of Scienna of which the Kincaids of Warriston were supporters of > and whose lands passed to the Kincaids of Warriston when it was disolved. > > 19) Visit the museum in Edinburgh and see if you can locate the > broadsword of the old Kincaids. It is identified by the motto "Wha will > pursew, I will defend My life and honour to the end." It was one time in > the possession of the surgeon Thomas Kincaid who commanded a Scottish > regiment at the battle of Marston Moor. You can also see if they have the > old Caledonian swords discovered under Coates (West) House when it was > demolished in the 1800s. I suspect that these were in the Kincaid > Constables' collection and may have been old family heirlooms! You may > also find some old portraits of the Kincaids of Warriston there as well. > > 20) Finally, you may want to check out Kincaidston outside Ayr. See > if you can find it on a map.

Sue Liedtke: Sue i see in your E-Mail listing for Jonathan E.Kincaid,the name John Kincaid marriage to Margaret Miles 1782, Cumberland County. As i have been searching for my ancestor Samuel J.Kinkead,Born 6/23/1782,could their be a possible connection? [Hope springs eternal] Thank you.Tom Kinkead #20720. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: [KINCAID] DNA #122441 ancestry > Kim Kincaid, contact for husband Jonathan E. Kincaid DNA #122441, has sent > me lineage information and given permission to share same. She will be > working on a vetting post later this summer. > > Jonathan Kincaid > Jerome A Kincaid & Martha Weathermon > Arthur M Kincaid m Ruth Basore 1931 > Albert H. Kincaid m Dora Mattox 1886 Orange Co. IN > Martin Kincaid m Mary Anna Hollowell 1852 Washington Co. IN > Andrew Kincaid m Margaret Scott 1823 Crawford Co. IN > John Kincaid m Margaret Miles 1782 Cumberland Co. PA > > Norman's vetting post on April 20, 2007 shows that the next link is George > Kincaid born c1733 died 1790 m prior 1758 Jean Mitchell. This is very > exciting in that #122441 does not have the marker 4 (DYS 391) mutation to > 11. Kim seems to be a document oriented researcher so vetting #122441 > should > isolate Norman's 11 at marker 4 downline from John/Margaret Miles. > #122441's > results for markers 13 to 37 have not been returned. Confirmation that he > has a 9 at marker 15 (DYS 459b) is eagerly awaited. > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart > > >> Jeff, this post was originally made when the results for 55675 and 60141 >> were first returned. The marker 4 (DYS391) and marker 35 (DYS CDYb) >> mutations that Peter's comments are refering to appear to have occured as >> parallel mutations several times within the project so basing a >> relationship >> or lack of relationship on these mutations is a bit iffy unless the paper >> trail suggests otherwise. The mutations cannot be dismissed and should be >> confirmed or isolated if at all possible. >> >> Within Group A set 1c, which is based on the marker 4 mutation to 11 for >> want of any other distinguishing attribute, we know that: >> >> #4588, #92549 and #5850 all seem to have inherited the mutation from >> Robert/Mary Bowman. >> >> #33001 has a paper trail that suggests that his mutation is parallel and >> occurred downline from a common ancestor with #101753 who does not have >> the >> mutation. >> >> #55675, #35199 and #2564 may have had a common source for the mutation as >> the 1800 families do know and interact with each other, however, #55675's >> ancestor does have a close association with earliest ancestors (including >> those of #60141, #2565 and #31493) who do not have the mutation. >> >> #15779, #23547 and #64507 lines do not cross paths with any of the others >> during the known line histories, it is hard to say how ancient their >> mutation is or whether or not it is probable (though definately possible) >> it >> came from a common ancestor with anyone else in the set.. >> >> Mutations to 11 at marker 4 also occur in A-1b, A-2a, A-2b and A-4. In >> each >> of these cases it would be unlikely that the mutation was from a common >> ancestor with any of the others or with any in A-1c. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeff Bergman" <jeffancom@yahoo.com> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart >> >> >> Peter, Did I miss something? 2564 matches up with whom? Please fill me in >> if >> there is a new version of and to the chart. Thanks.....Jeff Bergman 8th >> great grandson of John and Nancy Young Kincaid.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> >> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart >> >> Fascinating news on the DNA front. So the Fincastle Kincaids >> appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! >> If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this. On the other >> front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. >> Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down. What interesting >> news! Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. >> Gotta love this DNA technology. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To >> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotesin the subject and the body of the message >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, this message was intended for Peter, not the list. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Don W. Kincaid To: Kincaid Rootsweb List Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: [KINCAID] to Do on Vacation in Scotland Morning, Since several Kincaid's plan on going to Scotland I wanted to post your list of to do's to the K list unless you object. I wonder if you would like to delete the reference to being descended from Galbraith's in item 8 since no one in Kincaid DNA groups A thru H show a match of any kind with a Galbraith. Galbraith DNA project has 68 members. I wish I had of had your list in 1985! I did do many of the items. I would add to visit the archives at Stirling, near Stirling Castle since they have records dating way back, however in Latin. Thanks, Don Are you planning a trip to Scotland? Here are some great places to visit! Author: Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada 1) Kincaid House near Milton of Campsie. This was the home of the Kincaid Chiefs from at least the late 1690s to 1921. 2) Lennox Castle built by John Lennox Kincaid Lennox between 1837 and 1841. He was born John Lennox Kincaid and was the last of the Kincaid Chiefs in the male line. 3) Clachan of Campsie cemetery contains the graves of a number of Kincaids. The Lennox/Kincaid mausoleum is a great Kincaid historical site as it is sealed with two gravestones of three of the Kincaid Chiefs and their spouses. Both illustate their coat of arms. 4) Check out the ruins of the adjacent church (St. Machan's). This is where our Kincaid ancestors attended church and were laid to rest. The early Kincaid were likely buried in vaults underneath the church. 5) Take a drive to the place called Kinkell a few miles to the west. This was possibly the location of the home of the early Kincaid Chiefs. This would have included some sort of tower of fortification. Some records I have suggest that this was location of the Kincaid mansion up to the early 1600s. Sir James Kincaid of that Ilk lived there at that time and the Kincaids may have lost the mansion when his estates were escheated after he was put to the horn. Sir James' loyal clan members defended him and repulsed the King's forces at that site. It is likely that his son was restored to some of the family's estates but had to move his principal residence to the new Kincaid site. 6) Drive around the area and see the lands the Kincaids held in the area. They at one time held lands stretching from Torrance on the west to Antermony on the east. Principal lands were Kincaid, Kinkell, Inchbreak, Inchbelly and Auchinreoch. The latter became the principal residence of a wealthy and illustrious branch of the main Kincaid line. Remember the bloodfeuds fought in the area between the Kincaids and Stirlings (near the lands of Glorat) and the Kincaids and Lennoxes at Woodhead. 7) Visit the Glasgow City archives and view in person some of the 15th century charters to the Kincaid Chiefs. See their seals as well as those of some of the famous Scottish leaders of old. 8) Visit the nearby Parish of Baldernock to see the lands and haunts of the old Galbraith Clan. The Galbraiths at one time owned the Kincaid lands and we likely descended from them. 9) Visit the Falkirk area which was the ancestral home of another Kincaid line. See the gravesite of Sir John Kincaid of the Rifle Brigade; our hero of the Battle of Waterloo and the Peninsular campaign leading up to it. The princiapl Kincaid lands lay to the north and northeast of Falkirk in the Grangemouth area.; notably the lands of Heuk, Saltcoats, Bantaskine and Abbotsgrange. 10) Check out Linlithgow Palace which John Kincaid was Keeper of in the mid 1400s and likley where his wife nursed the King's younger son. He held the nearby estate of Kincavil. His branch of the Kincaids were associated with this area for some time. The priory of Manuel is a site of interest as the Kincaids were likely benefactors of this place in the 1400s. The earliest references to Kincaids and possibly the answer to our Kincaid origins lay in the records of this religious house. Next visit the nearby Blackness Castle where Kincaids held lands adjacent to in the 1400s and which John of Kincaid was likely Keeper of in the 1400s. 11) You definitely have to visit Edinburgh Castle where the Kincaids reached their zenith in the 1500s. Visit the Great Hall where the Kincaid Chief's coat of arms are one of the few to grace the hall. They are displayed on a corbel in the rafters. Thomas and David Kincaid of Coates were Constables of the Castle in the early 1500s. Their mansion has since been demolished but you can visit their lands. 12) Visit the Abbey of Holyrood where George Kincaid was Bailie in the late 1400s. This was a very prestigious position at the time. His son was Bailie of nearby Brouchton. 13) Visit the lands of Warriston outside the old city walls of Edinburgh. The mansion was the scene of the murder of John Kincaid of Warriston by Robert Weir in 1599/1600. His wife Jean Livingston of Dunipace was the instigator and was beaheaded on "the Maiden" for her part. The murder was famous for many years to come. 15) Walk down the Leith Wynd which was the scene of a brawl between the Kincaids of Warriston and the Logans of Bonnington. This marked the culmination of their feud. 16) Visit the Napier University, to the southwest of Edinburgh, which sits on the lands of Craiglockart. This was the principal estate of the Kincaid Chiefs outside their ancestral lands. Check to see if the ruins of the old tower of Craiglockhart still exists. 17) Look for what was known as Ramsay's book shop in Edinburgh. It is famous in the 1700s for the literary giants of the day who frequented it. It was previously owned by Alexander Kincaid and he, as King's Printer, helped nuture its reputation. He rose to become Lord Provost of Edinburgh in 1776 and died in office in 1777. His death was greatly lamented and was reportedly at that time the largest funeral the City was to see since the Union. Visit his grave in the New Greyfriars Churchyard. Take a photo of the Kincaid tomb while there. See if you can locate a portrait of Alexander Kincaid at City Hall or at the museum (get a photo if you do!). 18) In the Newington district of Edinburgh was the Convent of St. Katherine of Scienna of which the Kincaids of Warriston were supporters of and whose lands passed to the Kincaids of Warriston when it was disolved. 19) Visit the museum in Edinburgh and see if you can locate the broadsword of the old Kincaids. It is identified by the motto "Wha will pursew, I will defend My life and honour to the end." It was one time in the possession of the surgeon Thomas Kincaid who commanded a Scottish regiment at the battle of Marston Moor. You can also see if they have the old Caledonian swords discovered under Coates (West) House when it was demolished in the 1800s. I suspect that these were in the Kincaid Constables' collection and may have been old family heirlooms! You may also find some old portraits of the Kincaids of Warriston there as well. 20) Finally, you may want to check out Kincaidston outside Ayr. See if you can find it on a map. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning, Since several Kincaid's plan on going to Scotland I wanted to post your list of to do's to the K list unless you object. I wonder if you would like to delete the reference to being descended from Galbraith's in item 8 since no one in Kincaid DNA groups A thru H show a match of any kind with a Galbraith. Galbraith DNA project has 68 members. I wish I had of had your list in 1985! I did do many of the items. I would add to visit the archives at Stirling, near Stirling Castle since they have records dating way back, however in Latin. Thanks, Don Are you planning a trip to Scotland? Here are some great places to visit! Author: Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada 1) Kincaid House near Milton of Campsie. This was the home of the Kincaid Chiefs from at least the late 1690s to 1921. 2) Lennox Castle built by John Lennox Kincaid Lennox between 1837 and 1841. He was born John Lennox Kincaid and was the last of the Kincaid Chiefs in the male line. 3) Clachan of Campsie cemetery contains the graves of a number of Kincaids. The Lennox/Kincaid mausoleum is a great Kincaid historical site as it is sealed with two gravestones of three of the Kincaid Chiefs and their spouses. Both illustate their coat of arms. 4) Check out the ruins of the adjacent church (St. Machan's). This is where our Kincaid ancestors attended church and were laid to rest. The early Kincaid were likely buried in vaults underneath the church. 5) Take a drive to the place called Kinkell a few miles to the west. This was possibly the location of the home of the early Kincaid Chiefs. This would have included some sort of tower of fortification. Some records I have suggest that this was location of the Kincaid mansion up to the early 1600s. Sir James Kincaid of that Ilk lived there at that time and the Kincaids may have lost the mansion when his estates were escheated after he was put to the horn. Sir James' loyal clan members defended him and repulsed the King's forces at that site. It is likely that his son was restored to some of the family's estates but had to move his principal residence to the new Kincaid site. 6) Drive around the area and see the lands the Kincaids held in the area. They at one time held lands stretching from Torrance on the west to Antermony on the east. Principal lands were Kincaid, Kinkell, Inchbreak, Inchbelly and Auchinreoch. The latter became the principal residence of a wealthy and illustrious branch of the main Kincaid line. Remember the bloodfeuds fought in the area between the Kincaids and Stirlings (near the lands of Glorat) and the Kincaids and Lennoxes at Woodhead. 7) Visit the Glasgow City archives and view in person some of the 15th century charters to the Kincaid Chiefs. See their seals as well as those of some of the famous Scottish leaders of old. 8) Visit the nearby Parish of Baldernock to see the lands and haunts of the old Galbraith Clan. The Galbraiths at one time owned the Kincaid lands and we likely descended from them. 9) Visit the Falkirk area which was the ancestral home of another Kincaid line. See the gravesite of Sir John Kincaid of the Rifle Brigade; our hero of the Battle of Waterloo and the Peninsular campaign leading up to it. The princiapl Kincaid lands lay to the north and northeast of Falkirk in the Grangemouth area.; notably the lands of Heuk, Saltcoats, Bantaskine and Abbotsgrange. 10) Check out Linlithgow Palace which John Kincaid was Keeper of in the mid 1400s and likley where his wife nursed the King's younger son. He held the nearby estate of Kincavil. His branch of the Kincaids were associated with this area for some time. The priory of Manuel is a site of interest as the Kincaids were likely benefactors of this place in the 1400s. The earliest references to Kincaids and possibly the answer to our Kincaid origins lay in the records of this religious house. Next visit the nearby Blackness Castle where Kincaids held lands adjacent to in the 1400s and which John of Kincaid was likely Keeper of in the 1400s. 11) You definitely have to visit Edinburgh Castle where the Kincaids reached their zenith in the 1500s. Visit the Great Hall where the Kincaid Chief's coat of arms are one of the few to grace the hall. They are displayed on a corbel in the rafters. Thomas and David Kincaid of Coates were Constables of the Castle in the early 1500s. Their mansion has since been demolished but you can visit their lands. 12) Visit the Abbey of Holyrood where George Kincaid was Bailie in the late 1400s. This was a very prestigious position at the time. His son was Bailie of nearby Brouchton. 13) Visit the lands of Warriston outside the old city walls of Edinburgh. The mansion was the scene of the murder of John Kincaid of Warriston by Robert Weir in 1599/1600. His wife Jean Livingston of Dunipace was the instigator and was beaheaded on "the Maiden" for her part. The murder was famous for many years to come. 15) Walk down the Leith Wynd which was the scene of a brawl between the Kincaids of Warriston and the Logans of Bonnington. This marked the culmination of their feud. 16) Visit the Napier University, to the southwest of Edinburgh, which sits on the lands of Craiglockart. This was the principal estate of the Kincaid Chiefs outside their ancestral lands. Check to see if the ruins of the old tower of Craiglockhart still exists. 17) Look for what was known as Ramsay's book shop in Edinburgh. It is famous in the 1700s for the literary giants of the day who frequented it. It was previously owned by Alexander Kincaid and he, as King's Printer, helped nuture its reputation. He rose to become Lord Provost of Edinburgh in 1776 and died in office in 1777. His death was greatly lamented and was reportedly at that time the largest funeral the City was to see since the Union. Visit his grave in the New Greyfriars Churchyard. Take a photo of the Kincaid tomb while there. See if you can locate a portrait of Alexander Kincaid at City Hall or at the museum (get a photo if you do!). 18) In the Newington district of Edinburgh was the Convent of St. Katherine of Scienna of which the Kincaids of Warriston were supporters of and whose lands passed to the Kincaids of Warriston when it was disolved. 19) Visit the museum in Edinburgh and see if you can locate the broadsword of the old Kincaids. It is identified by the motto "Wha will pursew, I will defend My life and honour to the end." It was one time in the possession of the surgeon Thomas Kincaid who commanded a Scottish regiment at the battle of Marston Moor. You can also see if they have the old Caledonian swords discovered under Coates (West) House when it was demolished in the 1800s. I suspect that these were in the Kincaid Constables' collection and may have been old family heirlooms! You may also find some old portraits of the Kincaids of Warriston there as well. 20) Finally, you may want to check out Kincaidston outside Ayr. See if you can find it on a map.

Is there anyone on Kincaid Rootsweb list descended from this Joseph Kincaid shown on this emigration record? Joseph Kincaid 7 May 1852 abt 1832 Londonderry, Northern Ireland Irish Queen Thanks, Don

After posting an email about Thomas Kyncaide of that Ilk in 1550 having an Ulster Coat of Arms, I did some further research about the Ulster King of Arms and found that it was an inactive position from the late 1540's to 1552 which raised a red flag about Thomas's coat of arms. We did some research and found that the Ulster King of Arms is now handled by the College of Arms so we emailed asking about this Thomas and just today received a note from the College of Arms that they have found no record of a Thomas Kyncaide as having an Ulster Coat of Arms or for that matter they say no Kincaid of any spelling shows to have an Ulster Coat of Arms from the 16th century (begins 1501) through the middle of the 20th century so it appears the information I copied while in Scotland in 1985 came from a bogus genealogy source. Based on this information please disregard my original email about Thomas. At least we now know there were no Kincaid's with Ulster Arms. Below is email from College of Arms in case you ever have a need to contact them. Don From: P.L. Dickinson, Richmond Herald College of Arms, Queen Victoria Street, London EC4V 4BT Tel: 020 7236 9612 Dear Mr Kincaid, Thank you for your e-mail of 30 June addressed to the College of Arms. I can find no reference to any family called Kyncaide (or associated spellings) in the records of Ulster King of Arms, the heraldic authority for Ireland from the sixteenth century until the middle of the twentieth century. 'Kyncaide of that Ilk' suggests a Scottish rather than an Irish family. Can you perhaps indicate the source of your reference, so that I might suggest other possible avenues of enquiry? Yours sincerely, P.L. Dickinson ----- Original Message ----- From: Don W. Kincaid To: Kincaid Rootsweb List Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Ulster King of Arms Does anyone have access to the records of the Ulster King of Arms. If so, is there a record of any Ulster Kincaid's of any spelling being approved for an Ulster coat of arms other than Thomas Kyncaide of that Ilk in 1550? Since there seems to be a Kincaid in Ulster with Arms as early as 1550, I am wondering if he might be of a different line of Kincaid's than the ones from Campsie Parish, Stirlingshire, Scotland and possibly account for one of the current groups in our dna project. Don

Kim Kincaid, contact for husband Jonathan E. Kincaid DNA #122441, has sent me lineage information and given permission to share same. She will be working on a vetting post later this summer. Jonathan Kincaid Jerome A Kincaid & Martha Weathermon Arthur M Kincaid m Ruth Basore 1931 Albert H. Kincaid m Dora Mattox 1886 Orange Co. IN Martin Kincaid m Mary Anna Hollowell 1852 Washington Co. IN Andrew Kincaid m Margaret Scott 1823 Crawford Co. IN John Kincaid m Margaret Miles 1782 Cumberland Co. PA Norman's vetting post on April 20, 2007 shows that the next link is George Kincaid born c1733 died 1790 m prior 1758 Jean Mitchell. This is very exciting in that #122441 does not have the marker 4 (DYS 391) mutation to 11. Kim seems to be a document oriented researcher so vetting #122441 should isolate Norman's 11 at marker 4 downline from John/Margaret Miles. #122441's results for markers 13 to 37 have not been returned. Confirmation that he has a 9 at marker 15 (DYS 459b) is eagerly awaited. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart > Jeff, this post was originally made when the results for 55675 and 60141 > were first returned. The marker 4 (DYS391) and marker 35 (DYS CDYb) > mutations that Peter's comments are refering to appear to have occured as > parallel mutations several times within the project so basing a > relationship > or lack of relationship on these mutations is a bit iffy unless the paper > trail suggests otherwise. The mutations cannot be dismissed and should be > confirmed or isolated if at all possible. > > Within Group A set 1c, which is based on the marker 4 mutation to 11 for > want of any other distinguishing attribute, we know that: > > #4588, #92549 and #5850 all seem to have inherited the mutation from > Robert/Mary Bowman. > > #33001 has a paper trail that suggests that his mutation is parallel and > occurred downline from a common ancestor with #101753 who does not have > the > mutation. > > #55675, #35199 and #2564 may have had a common source for the mutation as > the 1800 families do know and interact with each other, however, #55675's > ancestor does have a close association with earliest ancestors (including > those of #60141, #2565 and #31493) who do not have the mutation. > > #15779, #23547 and #64507 lines do not cross paths with any of the others > during the known line histories, it is hard to say how ancient their > mutation is or whether or not it is probable (though definately possible) > it > came from a common ancestor with anyone else in the set.. > > Mutations to 11 at marker 4 also occur in A-1b, A-2a, A-2b and A-4. In > each > of these cases it would be unlikely that the mutation was from a common > ancestor with any of the others or with any in A-1c. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Bergman" <jeffancom@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart > > > Peter, Did I miss something? 2564 matches up with whom? Please fill me in > if > there is a new version of and to the chart. Thanks.....Jeff Bergman 8th > great grandson of John and Nancy Young Kincaid.. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> > To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart > > Fascinating news on the DNA front. So the Fincastle Kincaids > appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! > If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this. On the other > front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. > Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down. What interesting > news! Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. > Gotta love this DNA technology. > > Peter > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeff, this post was originally made when the results for 55675 and 60141 were first returned. The marker 4 (DYS391) and marker 35 (DYS CDYb) mutations that Peter's comments are refering to appear to have occured as parallel mutations several times within the project so basing a relationship or lack of relationship on these mutations is a bit iffy unless the paper trail suggests otherwise. The mutations cannot be dismissed and should be confirmed or isolated if at all possible. Within Group A set 1c, which is based on the marker 4 mutation to 11 for want of any other distinguishing attribute, we know that: #4588, #92549 and #5850 all seem to have inherited the mutation from Robert/Mary Bowman. #33001 has a paper trail that suggests that his mutation is parallel and occurred downline from a common ancestor with #101753 who does not have the mutation. #55675, #35199 and #2564 may have had a common source for the mutation as the 1800 families do know and interact with each other, however, #55675's ancestor does have a close association with earliest ancestors (including those of #60141, #2565 and #31493) who do not have the mutation. #15779, #23547 and #64507 lines do not cross paths with any of the others during the known line histories, it is hard to say how ancient their mutation is or whether or not it is probable (though definately possible) it came from a common ancestor with anyone else in the set.. Mutations to 11 at marker 4 also occur in A-1b, A-2a, A-2b and A-4. In each of these cases it would be unlikely that the mutation was from a common ancestor with any of the others or with any in A-1c. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Bergman" <jeffancom@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart Peter, Did I miss something? 2564 matches up with whom? Please fill me in if there is a new version of and to the chart. Thanks.....Jeff Bergman 8th great grandson of John and Nancy Young Kincaid.. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart Fascinating news on the DNA front. So the Fincastle Kincaids appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this. On the other front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down. What interesting news! Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. Gotta love this DNA technology. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message

Partial results have been returned for kit number 122441 who has ordered markers 1-67. The important 2nd and 3rd panels (markers 13-37) are still at the lab but all other results have been returned. He matches the Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A at every marker so far returned. I do not have ancestral information for him. Sue Liedtke

Jeff, This was a message Peter posted in May 2006. It had been saved by another member and when this other member was reviewing her old mail, she accidentally re-posted it to the List. Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 7/3/2008 6:48:48 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, jeffancom@yahoo.com writes: Peter, Did I miss something? 2564 matches up with whom? Please fill me in if there is a new version of and to the chart. Thanks.....Jeff Bergman 8th great grandson of John and Nancy Young Kincaid.. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart Fascinating news on the DNA front. So the Fincastle Kincaids appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this. On the other front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down. What interesting news! Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. Gotta love this DNA technology. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)