Dear Kincaid listers: the below Barnard Dougherty was a significant officer in Bedford County, PA. 1788 Mary Kinkead, [000004] a draught of a tract of land situate in Friends Grove in Colerain Township,                 Bedford County containing one hundred and seventy nine acres with the usual allowance of six per cent         for roads, surveyed for Mary Kinkead the 4th day of September 1788.          In pursuance of a warrant dated November 26th 1787.  George Woods D.S.  To John Lukens, Esqu.              S.G.  Adjacent land owners: Barnard Dougherty, Esqu, land now Mary Kinkead, land in the name of             Barnard Dougherty, now Mary Kinkead, Dunning’s Mountain.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17,             Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, C-104 p. 206. Councilor for Bedford County, Nov. 11, 1783, Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 3, p.. 671. President of Judges of the Court of Common Pleas, Dec. 6, 1782.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 3, p. 671. Justice of Quarter Sessions, Nov. 18, 1780.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 3, p. 672. Justice of the Orphan's Court, Nov. 18, 1780. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 3, p. 672. County Treasurer, Oct. 20, 1783.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 3, p. 673. Justice of the Peace, Nov. 2, 1781.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 3, p. 674. Dedimus Potestatems, Nov. 27, 1778 Feb. 18, 1782.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 3, p. 674. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

Forgive me Norman in that all I have to go on here is information in your timelines. You link people to places but I can't see how you came to this as I do not have the full information that you have. I don't see how you link James Kincaid, coroner to any other place. I am reacting to you point: "I now have enough circumstancial evidence to place them within the Sadsbury, West Caln, East Caln Townships, Chester County, PA Kincaid family cluster." I noted that the recent DNA result does not link the Sadsbury Kincaids to James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns). I pointed this out because I am going on the assumption that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) is connected to James Kincaid, the coroner. This is based on your placement of him in Hempfield township in 1773. It seems to me that since the Kuhns James and the Coroner James are both from Hempfield one would look to a relation. I understand from a previous post that Margaret's grandfather, Philip Kuhns, was Sheriff of Westmoreland County. Would one not further suspect one from the Coroner's line is of similar social status to marry one of the Sheriff's line? Given the times, I do, so I assume that the Kuhns James is of the Coroner James' line. Assumptions aside I hope this one could be figured out. I have a keen interest in Kuhn James' ancestry as I have a common ancestor with sample 15550. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Nevertheless, I'm still grouped with sample 15550 on the Family Tree DNA chart along with 2519. Plue you stated: "I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the Sadsbury Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) of Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury Kincaids." If that is so why would I continue to look to the Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA Kincaids for his paper trail? Especially when I lose track of James Kinkead the Coroner after 1786? I still think James W. Kinkead is from the Cumberland County, PA Kincaids. Although, lately, I have found vague connections between the Cumberland County Kincaids and the Chester County, PA Kincaids. Also I'm having trouble accessing Alice Gedge's table so I am unable to review the updates there. I'm still looking at the warrants, deeds, and surveys in Westmoreland County after 1786 to find more definitive answers to where James Kincaid, coroner, died. I still don't believe he is the guy who died in 1812 in Brooke County, VA, later WV. Although it appears that he is the James Kinkead in the Board of Property Case. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

I don't see sample 15550 as being closely related to your 4164. Sample 15550 is closer to 2519. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA > Hempfield Township is south of Salem and southwest of Derry Township and > northwest of Mount Pleasant Township, Westmoreland County, PA where Andrew > Kincaid & John Kincaid, sons of George Kincaid reside in 1790. Andrew > being first there in 1783. Also I am looking at where sample [15550] > falls, into Group A, where my sample 4164 falls.

> Also James W. Kinkead has that land by virtue of marriage, not from any > Kincaid bequeath. > 1853 James Kinkead [15550] & wife Lidia sold 84 ½ acres on Feb. 19, 1853, > formerly belonging to Phillip Kuhn who died & left land to Margaret who > married James Kinkead then died leaving the land to James Kinkead. > Westmoreland County PA, Deed Book Vol. 37, p. 344; Chester County > Historical Society, West Chester, PA, Kincaid file Yes, but Philip Kuhns died in 1848. When James married Margaret in 1839 he was listed as being of Hempfield township. Thus, the Kuhns lands had nothing to do with his being there in 1839. Another sibling could have acquired the lands James grew up on. Peter

I am getting confused by the references to Hempfield township. The only thing solid we have for James Kincaid who married Margaret Kuhns was that he was of Hempfield township at the time of his marriages. Why would you place him in Cumberland County as opposed to tying him to the Kincaids in Hempfield township in the 1770s? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA > However, James Kinkead who married Margaret Kuhns is not the immediate > offspring of James Kinkead the coroner of Westmoreland County, PA. James > Kinkead, coroner of Westmoreland County, PA was married to Mary Simeral, > sister to John Simeral who married Mary Kinkead, daughter of John Kinkead > of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA. See below from John Kinkead of > Sadsbury Township's will: > . Item, I give & bequeath to my well beloved son James fifty pounds in > cash to him or heirs. All which legacies I do hereby order my beloved son > Charles to pay in the following order, viz: at the expiration of one whole > year after my decease to John Sumrall & Thomas Killpatrick the above > bequeathed twelve pounds to each of them & 25 pounds to my son James being > the one half of his share. And at the end of two years after my death to > pay to my said son James his remaining 25 pounds in full of his legacy, > and to my son Samuel the 20 pounds as above bequeathed to him. > Bedford County, PA (Hempfield Township would fall into Westmoreland > County, PA when it was formed on Feb. 26, 1773, although these men are on > the Bedford County, PA tax list they were actually in Westmoreland County > from Feb. 1773. > > 1773 James Kenkead [000013] taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, > PA at 2.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 28. > 1773 John Simeral taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at 1.0. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 29. > 1773 Thomas Kilpatrick taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at > 1.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 29. > 1773 James Kinkead [000013] brother-in-law, appointed executor of John > Sumrall’s will, of Westmoreland County, PA, will written, Feb. 24, 1773, > proved, April 8, 1773. Chester County Historical Society, West Chester, > PA, Kincaid file. > > I have been trying to figure out what happened to James Kinkead, coroner > of Westmoreland County, PA. I keep looking at the James Kinkead who died > in Brooke County, VA (later Brooke County, WV) in 1812. And the Board of > Property case between Kinkead v Stone. And I don't know how much to credit > the story about James Kinkead of Brooke County, VA having an estate in > Ireland. Below is information from Alice Gedge: > > (4) 1797: Moved to WV, about 6 miles from Steubenville, OH, in the > neighborhood known as Cross Creek. Located near Holliday's Cove on > Harmon's Creek about 3-4 miles from where this creek empties into the Ohio > River. The homestead is about 3 miles up Harmon's Creek back up the hills > along the creek from what is now Colliers Station, one mile from the > summit of the hills. > (4) Brothers John and James KINKADE purchased, for 101 pounds 5 shillings, > 270 acres from the heirs of John Lee WEBSTER, who held the patent on the > land. (1c) The original KINKADE and ADAMS farm consisted of 270 acres > which were patented to John WEBSTER by Gov. RANDOLPH in 1787. > (4) 1802, 26 Apr: John and James KINKADE conveyed to William ADAMS, for > $742, the north half of their 270 acre tract. This land continued as the > KINKADE and ADAMS homesteads until sold by the heirs. The KINKADE > homestead was sold to James MARSH. The ADAMS homestead was sold to J.Q. > CRISS, whose heirs still owned the land in 1901. > (4c) 1803: James KINKADE received a patent for land. > (4c) John KINKADE conveyed his interest in their half of the homestead > lands to James KINKADE. > > (4b) 1812: He was getting ready to go to Ireland to claim the "estate and > title" when he became ill and died. > He was offered 500 guineas and 300 acres of land for his interest in the > estate in the North of Ireland. > > (4) 1812, 9 Oct: James KINKADE wrote his will. Left his wife Nancy the 1/3 > part of the real estate for use during her life and 1/3 of all the > personal property. Left to his son John 40 acres to be delivered after one > year, provided he lives with the family and is careful and industrious > during the term of that year and makes no charges for his work. He was > also given the black mare, the best saddle and the big plow, one par of > horse gears, an axe, and 1/4 of the fall gain that was growing. Gave to > daughter Eleanor one bed and bedding, one colt, one heifer, two sheep, and > a new saddle. To his dauther Jane he gave equal property to that given to > Eleanor as to quality and quantity. To his daughter Mary Ann and Ruthanna > he gave each $79. The remainder of his estate was to be divided among his > 4 youngest sons - the whole was to be at the disposal of his wife during > her widowhood, for the maintenance of her family and the schooling of her > children. > (4) His estate, as enumerated, indicates that he was a well-to-do farmer. > It included wagons, plows, horse-gear, pack saddles, men's saddles, and > women's saddles, wheat, oats, rye, corn, hay, flax, 10 horses, a humber of > hogs, geese, coes, sheep, potatoes, turnips, a loom and spinning wheels, > rifle, dresser, several bedsteads, woolen yarn, flax seed and a large > number of small articles. > > I'm still not convinced that it is James Kinkead, the Coroner from > Westmoreland County, PA. > I still think that James Kinkead who married Margaret Kuhns was the son of > John Kinkead who married Mary Lee in Carlisle, PA in: > 1796 John Kincaid [15550] married Mary Lee at First Presbyterian Church, > Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA on April 27, 1796. Cumberland County > Historical Society, Carlisle, PA > The above John Kincaid I believe to be the son of James Kinkead of West > Pennsboro, Cumberland County, PA. These were later the Kincaids of > Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA. > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:42:26 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland > County, PA > > I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the > Sadsbury > Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) > of > Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury > Kincaids. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo..com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:10 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland > County,PA > > >> Dear Kincaid-listers, I have also found more on James Kinkead, Coroner & >> Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA. I am now pretty sure that Samuel >> Kinkead (died 1840) of Butler County, PA is the son of James Kinkead of >> Westmoreland County, PA. The proximity of John Kinkead, formerly of >> Lancaster County, PA and James Kinkead, Recorder of Westmoreland County, >> PA to the John and James Kinkead of Smith Township, Washington County, PA >> also make me believe that they are related to them. This is the territory >> of the Kincaids from the Ben Dixon book. I now have enough circumstancial >> evidence to place them within the Sadsbury, West Caln, East Caln >> Townships, Chester County, PA Kincaid family cluster. I still haven't >> found where or when James Kinkead, Recorder died, but Armstrong County, >> PA >> might be the place to look. >> Sincerely >> Norman Kincaide > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Okay, so to be sure before I start, Peter, you are saying that you do not believe that James Kinkead, coroner and recorder of Westmoreland County, PA is not the son of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA. Is that correct? Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:46:25 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Forgive me Norman in that all I have to go on here is information in your timelines.  You link people to places but I can't see how you came to this as I do not have the full information that you have.  I don't see how you link James Kincaid, coroner to any other place. I am reacting to you point: "I now have enough circumstancial evidence to place them within the Sadsbury, West Caln, East Caln Townships, Chester County, PA Kincaid family cluster." I noted that the recent DNA result does not link the Sadsbury Kincaids to James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns).  I pointed this out because I am going on the assumption that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) is connected to James Kincaid, the coroner. This is based on your placement of him in Hempfield township in 1773. It seems to me that since the Kuhns James and the Coroner James are both from Hempfield one would look to a relation.  I understand from a previous post that Margaret's grandfather, Philip Kuhns, was Sheriff of Westmoreland County.  Would one not further suspect one from the Coroner's line is of similar social status to marry one of the Sheriff's line?  Given the times, I do, so I assume that the Kuhns James is of the Coroner James' line.  Assumptions aside I hope this one could be figured out.  I have a keen interest in Kuhn James' ancestry as I have a common ancestor with sample 15550. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Nevertheless, I'm still grouped with sample 15550 on the Family Tree DNA chart along with 2519. Plue you stated: "I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the Sadsbury Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) of Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury Kincaids." If that is so why would I continue to look to the Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA Kincaids for his paper trail? Especially when I lose track of James Kinkead the Coroner after 1786? I still think James W. Kinkead is from the Cumberland County, PA Kincaids. Although, lately, I have found vague connections between the Cumberland County Kincaids and the Chester County, PA Kincaids. Also I'm having trouble accessing Alice Gedge's table so I am unable to review the updates there. I'm still looking at the warrants, deeds, and surveys in Westmoreland County after 1786 to find more definitive answers to where James Kincaid, coroner, died. I still don't believe he is the guy who died in 1812 in Brooke County, VA, later WV. Although it appears that he is the James Kinkead in the Board of Property Case. Sincerely Norman Kincaide To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To add a different perspective on this discussion, the participants in the Kincaid DNA chart are not always placed according to DNA closeness. Sue does a good job of using lineage info in addition to the DNA results to place people on the chart. From a purely DNA standpoint, the FTDNA probability of common ancestor predictor for 67 markers shows Norman to have an 86% chance of common ancestor in 8 generations with 5850 in Set 1c as well as those who have an exact match for 67 marker results, Ted, Doug & Dick, Set 1a, and shown as the Apparent Ancestral Value for Group A. The next closest is 49289, Ron L, Set 2a at 84%, then James E. Kincaid, # 2563, Set 1b, at 70%, followed by 15550, Set 2a at 67% along with 96496, Set 1a, 1255 and 28835, both Set 1b followed by 122441 at 45% and lastly Grant, # 2519 at 28%. Those shown on the DNA chart as being in Set 2b with Norman are shown in blue which may or may not come through on the Kincaid List post. According to this 15550 is as close as anyone in Group A Set 1b to Norman except for Ron L, # 49289. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Kincaide To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Nevertheless, I'm still grouped with sample 15550 on the Family Tree DNA chart along with 2519. Plue you stated: "I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the Sadsbury Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) of Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury Kincaids." If that is so why would I continue to look to the Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA Kincaids for his paper trail? Especially when I lose track of James Kinkead the Coroner after 1786? I still think James W. Kinkead is from the Cumberland County, PA Kincaids. Although, lately, I have found vague connections between the Cumberland County Kincaids and the Chester County, PA Kincaids. Also I'm having trouble accessing Alice Gedge's table so I am unable to review the updates there. I'm still looking at the warrants, deeds, and surveys in Westmoreland County after 1786 to find more definitive answers to where James Kincaid, coroner, died. I still don't believe he is the guy who died in 1812 in Brooke County, VA, later WV. Although it appears that he is the James Kinkead in the Board of Property Case. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:58:17 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA I don't see sample 15550 as being closely related to your 4164. Sample 15550 is closer to 2519. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA > Hempfield Township is south of Salem and southwest of Derry Township and > northwest of Mount Pleasant Township, Westmoreland County, PA where Andrew > Kincaid & John Kincaid, sons of George Kincaid reside in 1790. Andrew > being first there in 1783.. Also I am looking at where sample [15550] > falls, into Group A, where my sample 4164 falls. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Although I am somewhat a casual participant to all the dialog, you were a tremendous help to me when my family and I visited Scotland on our own back in 2005. We visited Campsie and walked the hill to the Kincaid-Lennox castle.   We are headed to Ireland and Northern Ireland next week. Any suggestions for places to visit in Northern Ireland that may have links to our Kincaid past? We will be driving into Northern Ireland from Dublin area and up to the Antrim coast.   Thanks for your help. Robert Bruce Kinkade #35915 - Group C

Dear Kincaid listers: There is an interesting connection between Andrew Kincaid and the below warrants and surveys, mainly in the fact that Adam Maxwell is an adjacent land owner or claimant in the 1785 and the one with Samuel Kinkead in 1794.  I'm still not sure who this Samuel Kincaid is, whether he is related to James Kinkead the coroner or not.  But he has land adjacent to Adam Maxwell below. Sinerely Norman Kincaide 1779 Andrew Kinkead, [000017] son of George Kinkead, [4164] married Elizabeth Maxwell, November 4,             1779, Centre Presbyterian Church, Sherman’s Valley, Cumberland County, PA. Cumberland County             Historical Society, Carlisle, PA, Rev. Linn’s Marriages, 1778-1793. 1795 Andrew Kincaid [000017] & Peter Cochran were issued letters of administration for William Maxwell,             deceased, of Westmoreland  County, PA on Feb. 27, 1795. 1785 Andrew Kincaid, [000017] Mount Pleasant Township, Westmoreland County, PA, son of George                 Kinkead, [4164] deeded land from William Tindell of Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, May         18, 1785,  This Indenture the eighteenth day of May in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred         & eighty five Tindel of Derry  Township in the County of Westmoreland & State of Pennsylvania of the             one part & Andrew Kinkaid of Mount Pleasant Township & County & State aforesaid of the other part             Witnesseth that the said William Tindel for & in  Consideration of the sum of twelve pounds good &             lawful money of the State of Pennsylvania to him in hand paid by the  said Andrew Kinkaid the receipt         whereof I do hereby acknowledge & am fully satisfied therewith have granted, bargained           & sold & by these presents do grant bargain & sell unto the said Andrew Kinkaid and to his heirs &             assigns a certain  warrant or order of survey together with the receipt for the (page 45) purchase money         paid into the land office for the same being date at Philadelphia the first day of December in the year of         our Lord one thousand seven hundred & eighty  five for one hundred eighty acres of land adjoining ?             Maxwell ? ? to have and to hold said warrant & the land held by  the same to the said Andrew Kinkaid         his heirs & assigns to the only proper use & behouf? of the said Andrew Kinkaid his heirs, executors,             administrators & assigns the aforesaid warrant together with the land held by the same unto the said           Andrew Kinkaid, his heirs, executors, administrators and assigns shall & will warrant & defend ? by             these presents in Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & seal the day & year first above             written.  William Tindell       Signed sealed & delivered in the presents of us       John Landon ?  Margaret Landon ?    Be it remembered that on the 16th day of August 1785 the written named William Tindell came personally         before me,  John Moore, Esqu., one of the Justices of the Peace of Court of Common Pleas in & for the         County aforesaid & he  Acknowledged the written instrument of writing to be his act & deed & desired         that the same may be recorded as such,  Witness my hand & seal the day & year above written,  John         Moore,  Recorded July 26, 1816.  Westmoreland County Deed Book, vol. 12, p. 44.      In pursuance of a warrant dated Dec. 1st 1784 there was surveyed for William Tindel the above described         tract of Land containing one hundred and eighty eight acres with an allowance proportioned to six percent     situate in  Derry Township in the County of Westmoreland.  Surveyed August 16th 1785.  John Moore             D.S.  To John  Lukens, Esquire, Surveyor General.  Adjacent land owners: Robert Anderson, vacant land,     Ralph Vorhis’s claim,  Adam Maxwell’s claim, vacant hills, heirs of Robert Bell’s claim.  Pennsylvania         State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol. C-207, p. 299. 1793 James Kinkeade [000013] had a survey of 440 acres with the allowance of six per cent on November             21,  1793 by virtue of his improvement began on Nov. 14, 1793, situate in district No. 8 N.W. of                     the Allegheny River on the east side of Buffaloe Creek on the waters of the Allegheny River to                     Daniel Brodhead, Esqu.  S.G.  Stephen Gapen D.S.  I do hereby certify that there is no warrant entered         in my office for the above described tract of land.  Stephen Gapen.  D.S.  Adjacent landowners:                     Benjamin Jack, John Craig, and sold land. Patented by Hugh Y. Brady, March 9, 1831, Armstrong                 County, PA.  Pennsylvania Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-            1912, Vol. C-108,  p. 14. 1793 Samuel Kinkad [000013] on muster roll of Capt. Jeremiah Murry’s Company, Westmoreland County,             PA  Militia, pay commenced October 11, 1793, muster roll reported December 13, 1793..                              Pennsylvania Archives, s. 6, v. 5, p. 710. 1793 Samuel Kinkead, [000013]  private, on pay roll of Capt. Jeremiah Murry’s Company,                                     Westmoreland  County, PA Militia from October 11-December 7, 1793, paid $11.40, pay roll dated,             January 24, 1794.         Pennsylvania Archives, s. 6, v. 5, pp. 708, 739, 741, 768. 1794 Samuel Kinkead [000013] warranted 400 acres in Allegheny County, PA, February 28, 1794,                         patentee, John Foster, 400 acres, February 7, 1820, in Armstrong County, PA. Pennsylvania State             Archives, Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS,             1733-1957,  Allegheny County, north and west of the Ohio River, Surnames beginning with K, p. 69. 1794 Samuel Kinkead [000013] in pursuance of a warrant dated 28th Feb. 1794 there was a survey                     for Samuel Kinkead the above described tract of land containing four hundred acres & 160 perches with         an allowance proportioned to six per cent, situate on the north side of the Allegheny River in                         Allegheny  County, surveyed Oct. 8, 1794.  John Moore D.S. To Daniel Brodhead, Esqu.  Adjacent land         owners: William Denniston, Robert Patrick, Adam Maxwell, Archibald Denniston. Surveyor General             of Pennsylvania.  Pennsylvania State Archives, Surveys, Vol. A-85, p. 79. 1794 Samuel Kinkaid.  [000013] Surveyed the 26th day of August 1794 for Samuel Kinkaid, 385 acres and             39 perches of land with the allowance of six per cent &c by virtue of his improvement began 1st day             of August 1794 situate Dist. No. 8 N.W. of the Allegheny River lying on a branch of Bever Run.                      Stephen Gapen D.S.  To Daniel Brodhead, Esq’r. S.G.  Adjacent land owners: John Craig, corner,                 Robert Beaty,   James Nickles, corner, Jacob Bauser, Joseph Baldridge, corner, Robert Williby, William                 Williby, corner,  Patrick Harvey.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office,         COPIED SURVEYS,  1681-1912, Vol. C-187, p. 58. 1794 Samuel Kinkaid, [000013] private, served from June 4 to August 13, in the rifle company, 2nd                         Battalion,   3rd Regiment, Westmoreland County, PA Militia, discharged with honor, August 13, 1794..         Signed:  Capt. J. Elliot. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 6, v. 5, p. 809. 1796 James Kinkade [000013] warranted 440 acres in Allegheny County, PA, August 25, 1796, patented             440  acres, March 9, 1831, patentee, Hugh Y. Brady, in Armstrong County, PA.  Pennsylvania                     State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS, 1733-1957, Allegheny             County, north and west of the Ohio River, Surnames beginning with K, p. 69.

Nevertheless, I'm still grouped with sample 15550 on the Family Tree DNA chart along with 2519.  Plue you stated: "I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the Sadsbury Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) of Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury Kincaids." If that is so why would I continue to look to the Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA Kincaids for his paper trail?  Especially when I lose track of James Kinkead the Coroner after 1786?  I still think James W. Kinkead is from the Cumberland County, PA Kincaids.  Although, lately, I have found vague connections between the Cumberland County Kincaids and the Chester County, PA Kincaids. Also I'm having trouble accessing Alice Gedge's table so I am unable to review the updates there. I'm still looking at the warrants, deeds, and surveys in Westmoreland County after 1786 to find more definitive answers to where James Kincaid, coroner, died.  I still don't believe he is the guy who died in 1812 in Brooke County, VA, later WV.  Although it appears that he is the James Kinkead in the Board of Property Case. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:58:17 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA I don't see sample 15550 as being closely related to your 4164.  Sample 15550 is closer to 2519. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA > Hempfield Township is south of Salem and southwest of Derry Township and > northwest of Mount Pleasant Township, Westmoreland County, PA where Andrew > Kincaid & John Kincaid, sons of George Kincaid reside in 1790. Andrew > being first there in 1783.. Also I am looking at where sample [15550] > falls, into Group A, where my sample 4164 falls. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James Kinkead, coroner is taxed only one time in Hempfield Township, 1773, thereafter he is in: 1783 James Kinkead [000013] taxed in South Huntington Township, Westmoreland County, PA for 200                 acres, 3 horses, 1 cow, 2 sheep.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 413. 1783 James Kinkead [000013] taxed in Pitt Township, Westmoreland County, PA. Pennsylvania Archives, s.         3, v. 22, p. 399. 1783 John Kinkead [000013] taxed in South Huntingdon Township, Westmoreland County, PA. Supply Tax. 1783 James Kinkead [000013] of Port Royal, Westmoreland County, PA, bought from James McGoldrick of         Pittsburgh, a corner lot on  the streets Alligania St. & Beer House St. & joining John Erwins lot in the             town of Pittsburgh, Westmoreland County, PA for 100 pounds  on April 20, 1783. Westmoreland                 County, PA, Deed Book A, p. 337. 1785 James Kinkead, [000013] Esq. taxed in South Huntington Township, Westmoreland County, PA.                 Supply Tax 1785 John Kinkead [000013] taxed in South Huntington Township, Westmoreland County, PA. Supply Tax. 1786 James Kinkead [000013] taxed in South District, Huntington Township, Westmoreland County, PA at             3.4. Tax Lists  Westmoreland County, PA 1786-1810; Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 500. 1786 John Kinkead (S.M.) [000013] taxed in South District, Huntington Township, Westmoreland County, PA         at 10.0. Tax Lists Westmoreland  County, PA 1786-1810; Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 504. The last clear citation to James the Coroner is below: 1786 James Kincaid [000013] of Westmoreland County, PA appointed by George Ritchmond of Salisbury Township, Chester County, PA his lawful attorney to enter into all that messuage or plantation or parcel of land situate on the east side of the river Youghagana in Bedford County, 301 ½ acres, called Richmonds Hall.  March 3, 1786.  Westmoreland County, PA, Deed Book A, p. 427. Chester County Historical Society, Kincaid file. After that I'm not certain it's him I see in the records or whether it's another James Kinkead, namely the James Kinkead from the Ben Dixon Book. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:37:12 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA > Also James W. Kinkead has that land by virtue of marriage, not from any > Kincaid bequeath. > 1853 James Kinkead [15550] & wife Lidia sold 84 ½ acres on Feb. 19, 1853, > formerly belonging to Phillip Kuhn who died & left land to Margaret who > married James Kinkead then died leaving the land to James Kinkead. > Westmoreland County PA, Deed Book Vol. 37, p. 344; Chester County > Historical Society, West Chester, PA, Kincaid file Yes, but Philip Kuhns died in 1848.  When James married Margaret in 1839 he was listed as being of Hempfield township.  Thus, the Kuhns lands had nothing to do with his being there in 1839.  Another sibling could have acquired the lands James grew up on. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the Sadsbury Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) of Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury Kincaids. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County,PA > Dear Kincaid-listers, I have also found more on James Kinkead, Coroner & > Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA. I am now pretty sure that Samuel > Kinkead (died 1840) of Butler County, PA is the son of James Kinkead of > Westmoreland County, PA. The proximity of John Kinkead, formerly of > Lancaster County, PA and James Kinkead, Recorder of Westmoreland County, > PA to the John and James Kinkead of Smith Township, Washington County, PA > also make me believe that they are related to them. This is the territory > of the Kincaids from the Ben Dixon book. I now have enough circumstancial > evidence to place them within the Sadsbury, West Caln, East Caln > Townships, Chester County, PA Kincaid family cluster. I still haven't > found where or when James Kinkead, Recorder died, but Armstrong County, PA > might be the place to look. > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide

Interesting close connection to sample 2563. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:48 AM Subject: [KINCAID] DNA results for 119921 > The last of the upgrade to 67 markers has been returned for 119921. He > matches the Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A Kincaids at all but two > markers. He has the 12 at marker 26 (DYS 460) which places him in set 1b > and > what appears to be a late mutation (no one else has it) to 15 from the AAV > 16 at marker 13 (DYS 458). Charles believes he is a descendent of John of > Sadsbury and is working on a vetting post.

Hempfield Township is south of Salem and southwest of Derry Township and northwest of Mount Pleasant Township, Westmoreland County, PA where Andrew Kincaid & John Kincaid, sons of George Kincaid reside in 1790.  Andrew being first there in 1783.  Also I am looking at where sample [15550] falls, into Group A, where my sample 4164 falls. Sincerely Norman Kincaide 1783 Andrew Kinkead [000017] taxed in Mount Pleasant Township, Westmorland County, PA for 1 horse, 2         cows, 2 sheep.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 522. 1785 Andrew Kincaid, [000017] Mount Pleasant Township, Westmoreland County, PA, son of George Kinkead, [4164] deeded land from  William Tindell of Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, May 18, 1785, Recorded July 26, 1816.  Westmoreland County Deed Book, vol. 12, p. 44. 1786 Andrew Kinkade, [000017] landlord, taxed in Mount Pleasant Township, Westmoreland County, PA at         2.4 pounds.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 522; Tax Lists Westmoreland County, PA 1786-                1810. 1786 Andrew Kinkead [000017] taxed in Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA for 1.1 pounds.                      Pennsylvania Archives,  s. 3, v. 22, p. 530. 1790 Andrew Kinkead, [000017] Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 4 males under         16, 2 females.. USFC, p. 260. 1790 John Kinkead, [4164] Salem Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 1 male under 16, 5         females. USFC, p. 266. 1790 Matthew McClerron, [4164] Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 5 females.             USFC, p. 260. Westmoreland County, PA below are the sons of Andrew Kinkead, son of George Kinkead.. 1840 Andrew Kinkead, [000017] Loyalhan Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male 50-60, 1 female 50-        60, 1 female 10-15, 2 females  5-10. USFC, Roll 498, p. 306. 1840 George Kinkead, [000017] Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male 60-70, 1 male 15-20, 1         female 50-60, 2 females  15-20, 1 female 10-15, . USFC, Roll 498, p. 315. Also James W. Kinkead has that land by virtue of marriage, not from any Kincaid bequeath. 1853 James Kinkead [15550] & wife Lidia sold 84 ½ acres on Feb. 19, 1853, formerly belonging to Phillip             Kuhn who died & left land to  Margaret who married James Kinkead then died leaving the land to James         Kinkead.  Westmoreland County PA, Deed Book Vol. 37, p. 344; Chester County Historical Society,             West Chester, PA, Kincaid file ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:39:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA I am getting confused by the references to Hempfield township.  The only thing solid we have for James Kincaid who married Margaret Kuhns was that he was of Hempfield township at the time of his marriages. Why would you place him in Cumberland County as opposed to tying him to the Kincaids in Hempfield township in the 1770s? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA > However, James Kinkead who married Margaret Kuhns is not the immediate > offspring of James Kinkead the coroner of Westmoreland County, PA. James > Kinkead, coroner of Westmoreland County, PA was married to Mary Simeral, > sister to John Simeral who married Mary Kinkead, daughter of John Kinkead > of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA. See below from John Kinkead of > Sadsbury Township's will: > . Item, I give & bequeath to my well beloved son James fifty pounds in > cash to him or heirs. All which legacies I do hereby order my beloved son > Charles to pay in the following order, viz: at the expiration of one whole > year after my decease to John Sumrall & Thomas Killpatrick the above > bequeathed twelve pounds to each of them & 25 pounds to my son James being > the one half of his share. And at the end of two years after my death to > pay to my said son James his remaining 25 pounds in full of his legacy, > and to my son Samuel the 20 pounds as above bequeathed to him. > Bedford County, PA (Hempfield Township would fall into Westmoreland > County, PA when it was formed on Feb. 26, 1773, although these men are on > the Bedford County, PA tax list they were actually in Westmoreland County > from Feb. 1773. > > 1773 James Kenkead [000013] taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, > PA at 2.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 28. > 1773 John Simeral taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at 1.0. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 29. > 1773 Thomas Kilpatrick taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at > 1.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 29. > 1773 James Kinkead [000013] brother-in-law, appointed executor of John > Sumrall’s will, of Westmoreland County, PA, will written, Feb. 24, 1773, > proved, April 8, 1773. Chester County Historical Society, West Chester, > PA, Kincaid file. > > I have been trying to figure out what happened to James Kinkead, coroner > of Westmoreland County, PA. I keep looking at the James Kinkead who died > in Brooke County, VA (later Brooke County, WV) in 1812. And the Board of > Property case between Kinkead v Stone. And I don't know how much to credit > the story about James Kinkead of Brooke County, VA having an estate in > Ireland. Below is information from Alice Gedge: > > (4) 1797: Moved to WV, about 6 miles from Steubenville, OH, in the > neighborhood known as Cross Creek. Located near Holliday's Cove on > Harmon's Creek about 3-4 miles from where this creek empties into the Ohio > River. The homestead is about 3 miles up Harmon's Creek back up the hills > along the creek from what is now Colliers Station, one mile from the > summit of the hills. > (4) Brothers John and James KINKADE purchased, for 101 pounds 5 shillings, > 270 acres from the heirs of John Lee WEBSTER, who held the patent on the > land. (1c) The original KINKADE and ADAMS farm consisted of 270 acres > which were patented to John WEBSTER by Gov. RANDOLPH in 1787. > (4) 1802, 26 Apr: John and James KINKADE conveyed to William ADAMS, for > $742, the north half of their 270 acre tract. This land continued as the > KINKADE and ADAMS homesteads until sold by the heirs. The KINKADE > homestead was sold to James MARSH. The ADAMS homestead was sold to J.Q. > CRISS, whose heirs still owned the land in 1901. > (4c) 1803: James KINKADE received a patent for land. > (4c) John KINKADE conveyed his interest in their half of the homestead > lands to James KINKADE. > > (4b) 1812: He was getting ready to go to Ireland to claim the "estate and > title" when he became ill and died. > He was offered 500 guineas and 300 acres of land for his interest in the > estate in the North of Ireland. > > (4) 1812, 9 Oct: James KINKADE wrote his will. Left his wife Nancy the 1/3 > part of the real estate for use during her life and 1/3 of all the > personal property. Left to his son John 40 acres to be delivered after one > year, provided he lives with the family and is careful and industrious > during the term of that year and makes no charges for his work. He was > also given the black mare, the best saddle and the big plow, one par of > horse gears, an axe, and 1/4 of the fall gain that was growing. Gave to > daughter Eleanor one bed and bedding, one colt, one heifer, two sheep, and > a new saddle. To his dauther Jane he gave equal property to that given to > Eleanor as to quality and quantity. To his daughter Mary Ann and Ruthanna > he gave each $79. The remainder of his estate was to be divided among his > 4 youngest sons - the whole was to be at the disposal of his wife during > her widowhood, for the maintenance of her family and the schooling of her > children. > (4) His estate, as enumerated, indicates that he was a well-to-do farmer. > It included wagons, plows, horse-gear, pack saddles, men's saddles, and > women's saddles, wheat, oats, rye, corn, hay, flax, 10 horses, a humber of > hogs, geese, coes, sheep, potatoes, turnips, a loom and spinning wheels, > rifle, dresser, several bedsteads, woolen yarn, flax seed and a large > number of small articles. > > I'm still not convinced that it is James Kinkead, the Coroner from > Westmoreland County, PA. > I still think that James Kinkead who married Margaret Kuhns was the son of > John Kinkead who married Mary Lee in Carlisle, PA in: > 1796 John Kincaid [15550] married Mary Lee at First Presbyterian Church, > Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA on April 27, 1796. Cumberland County > Historical Society, Carlisle, PA > The above John Kincaid I believe to be the son of James Kinkead of West > Pennsboro, Cumberland County, PA. These were later the Kincaids of > Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA. > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:42:26 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland > County, PA > > I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the > Sadsbury > Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) > of > Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury > Kincaids. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman..kincaide@yahoo..com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:10 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland > County,PA > > >> Dear Kincaid-listers, I have also found more on James Kinkead, Coroner & >> Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA. I am now pretty sure that Samuel >> Kinkead (died 1840) of Butler County, PA is the son of James Kinkead of >> Westmoreland County, PA. The proximity of John Kinkead, formerly of >> Lancaster County, PA and James Kinkead, Recorder of Westmoreland County, >> PA to the John and James Kinkead of Smith Township, Washington County, PA >> also make me believe that they are related to them. This is the territory >> of the Kincaids from the Ben Dixon book. I now have enough circumstancial >> evidence to place them within the Sadsbury, West Caln, East Caln >> Townships, Chester County, PA Kincaid family cluster. I still haven't >> found where or when James Kinkead, Recorder died, but Armstrong County, >> PA >> might be the place to look. >> Sincerely >> Norman Kincaide > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the other side of that resemblence, my Dad's 1st cousin, Fred White's sister, who I hadn't seen in about 25 years came up to me and said: "You look like your Mother." Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:02:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] family reunion Dear Kincaid listers: My sister, Marilee and I went to a family reunion in Denver, CO last Saturday.  This was for my Dad's first cousin: Fred White's family.  Fred's mother and my Dad's mother were sisters and their parents were George Monroe Sharp and Sarah Rebecca Jenkins.  What was fascinating about this reunion was the striking resemblence there was between my other sister, Celeste and Fred's daughter Teresa and if my 1st cousin Greg Hoath had been there he would have added another face to that resemblence.  They all have the distinctive nose and profile of George Monroe Sharp.  I even had Teresa and Celeste stand together so I could get a good photograph of their similiarities.  George Monroe Sharp's parents were Gilbert Sharp and Abigail Eastman.  I hadn't seen Teresa in almost 25 years thus making her resemblence to Celeste all the more striking. Sincerely Norman Kincaide       To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a fun time you must have had. Amazing how the genetic features show up in the generations. My father's side of the family are all small people, 5'3" to 5'8" and so his most of my mother's. Exception: the Kincaid's, my mother's paternal side. Her father was 6' 1", his two sisters were close to 6", and his brother was 6'4". Their father was 6' 2" (born 1852). Since I firmly believe that I come from the Patriarch who was supposedly 6' 4", this tallness (is that a word?) makes sense. By the way, I also have Sharp in my family. Edward (b. 1700) came from Ireland and settled in Lancaster County, PA. His son Henry moved to SC in 1762. Sharon Kisor Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Kincaid listers: My sister, Marilee and I went to a family reunion in Denver, CO last Saturday. This was for my Dad's first cousin: Fred White's family. Fred's mother and my Dad's mother were sisters and their parents were George Monroe Sharp and Sarah Rebecca Jenkins. What was fascinating about this reunion was the striking resemblence there was between my other sister, Celeste and Fred's daughter Teresa and if my 1st cousin Greg Hoath had been there he would have added another face to that resemblence. They all have the distinctive nose and profile of George Monroe Sharp. I even had Teresa and Celeste stand together so I could get a good photograph of their similiarities. George Monroe Sharp's parents were Gilbert Sharp and Abigail Eastman. I hadn't seen Teresa in almost 25 years thus making her resemblence to Celeste all the more striking. Sincerely Norman Kincaide To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Kincaid listers: My sister, Marilee and I went to a family reunion in Denver, CO last Saturday.  This was for my Dad's first cousin: Fred White's family.  Fred's mother and my Dad's mother were sisters and their parents were George Monroe Sharp and Sarah Rebecca Jenkins.  What was fascinating about this reunion was the striking resemblence there was between my other sister, Celeste and Fred's daughter Teresa and if my 1st cousin Greg Hoath had been there he would have added another face to that resemblence.  They all have the distinctive nose and profile of George Monroe Sharp.  I even had Teresa and Celeste stand together so I could get a good photograph of their similiarities.  George Monroe Sharp's parents were Gilbert Sharp and Abigail Eastman.  I hadn't seen Teresa in almost 25 years thus making her resemblence to Celeste all the more striking. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

According to the Clyde Kincaid book, records in Edinburg states that John The Patriarch's grandfather was Joseph Kincaid who married Mira North in 1685 and he emigrated to Ireland in 1701. Also, that John's father was Robert who married Elizabeth North in 1703. I have absolutely no proof of any of this, but it is an avenue for someone to pursue. Sharon Kisor "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: Second the close connection for 2563 and 119921! The 67 marker FTDNA probability of common ancestors is 95% at 8 generations. For 67 markers results this is high! For comparison the 4 in Group A, Set 1a who are exact matches on the whole 67 markers have a probability of a common ancestor within 8 generations of 97%, so almost as high as the exact matches. Since 2563 traces back to John Kincaid, The Patriarch and 119921 traces back to John Kincaid of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA, it seems the earliest possible common ancestor would the the grandfather of these 2 Johns. (Unless 2 sons in the same family were named John.....not very likely) Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA results for 119921 Interesting close connection to sample 2563. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:48 AM Subject: [KINCAID] DNA results for 119921 > The last of the upgrade to 67 markers has been returned for 119921. He > matches the Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A Kincaids at all but two > markers. He has the 12 at marker 26 (DYS 460) which places him in set 1b > and > what appears to be a late mutation (no one else has it) to 15 from the AAV > 16 at marker 13 (DYS 458). Charles believes he is a descendent of John of > Sadsbury and is working on a vetting post. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

However, James Kinkead who married Margaret Kuhns is not the immediate offspring of James Kinkead the coroner of Westmoreland County, PA.  James Kinkead, coroner of Westmoreland County, PA was married to Mary Simeral, sister to John Simeral who married Mary Kinkead, daughter of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA.  See below from John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township's will: .  Item, I give & bequeath to my well beloved son James fifty pounds in cash to him or heirs. All which legacies I do hereby order my beloved son Charles to pay in the following order, viz: at the expiration of one whole year after my decease to John Sumrall & Thomas Killpatrick the above bequeathed twelve pounds to each of them & 25 pounds to my son James being the one half of his share. And at the end of two years after my death to pay to my said son James his remaining 25 pounds in full of his legacy, and to my son Samuel the 20 pounds as above bequeathed to him. Bedford County, PA (Hempfield Township would fall into Westmoreland County, PA when it was formed on Feb. 26, 1773, although these men are on the Bedford County, PA tax list they were actually in Westmoreland County from Feb. 1773. 1773 James Kenkead [000013] taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at 2.0. Pennsylvania                 Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 28. 1773 John Simeral taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at 1.0.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v.         22, p. 29. 1773 Thomas Kilpatrick taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at 1.0.  Pennsylvania Archives, s.         3, v. 22, p. 29. 1773 James Kinkead [000013] brother-in-law, appointed executor of John Sumrall’s will, of Westmoreland             County, PA,  will written, Feb. 24, 1773, proved, April 8, 1773. Chester County Historical Society, West         Chester, PA, Kincaid file. I have been trying to figure out what happened to James Kinkead, coroner of Westmoreland County, PA.  I keep looking at the James Kinkead who died in Brooke County, VA (later Brooke County, WV) in 1812.  And the Board of Property case between Kinkead v Stone.  And I don't know how much to credit the story about James Kinkead of Brooke County, VA having an estate in Ireland.  Below is information from Alice Gedge: (4) 1797: Moved to WV, about 6 miles from Steubenville, OH, in the neighborhood known as Cross Creek. Located near Holliday's Cove on Harmon's Creek about 3-4 miles from where this creek empties into the Ohio River. The homestead is about 3 miles up Harmon's Creek back up the hills along the creek from what is now Colliers Station, one mile from the summit of the hills. (4) Brothers John and James KINKADE purchased, for 101 pounds 5 shillings, 270 acres from the heirs of John Lee WEBSTER, who held the patent on the land. (1c) The original KINKADE and ADAMS farm consisted of 270 acres which were patented to John WEBSTER by Gov. RANDOLPH in 1787. (4) 1802, 26 Apr: John and James KINKADE conveyed to William ADAMS, for $742, the north half of their 270 acre tract. This land continued as the KINKADE and ADAMS homesteads until sold by the heirs. The KINKADE homestead was sold to James MARSH. The ADAMS homestead was sold to J.Q. CRISS, whose heirs still owned the land in 1901. (4c) 1803: James KINKADE received a patent for land. (4c) John KINKADE conveyed his interest in their half of the homestead lands to James KINKADE. (4b) 1812: He was getting ready to go to Ireland to claim the "estate and title" when he became ill and died. He was offered 500 guineas and 300 acres of land for his interest in the estate in the North of Ireland. (4) 1812, 9 Oct: James KINKADE wrote his will. Left his wife Nancy the 1/3 part of the real estate for use during her life and 1/3 of all the personal property. Left to his son John 40 acres to be delivered after one year, provided he lives with the family and is careful and industrious during the term of that year and makes no charges for his work. He was also given the black mare, the best saddle and the big plow, one par of horse gears, an axe, and 1/4 of the fall gain that was growing. Gave to daughter Eleanor one bed and bedding, one colt, one heifer, two sheep, and a new saddle. To his dauther Jane he gave equal property to that given to Eleanor as to quality and quantity. To his daughter Mary Ann and Ruthanna he gave each $79. The remainder of his estate was to be divided among his 4 youngest sons - the whole was to be at the disposal of his wife during her widowhood, for the maintenance of her family and the schooling of her children. (4) His estate, as enumerated, indicates that he was a well-to-do farmer. It included wagons, plows, horse-gear, pack saddles, men's saddles, and women's saddles, wheat, oats, rye, corn, hay, flax, 10 horses, a humber of hogs, geese, coes, sheep, potatoes, turnips, a loom and spinning wheels, rifle, dresser, several bedsteads, woolen yarn, flax seed and a large number of small articles. I'm still not convinced that it is James Kinkead, the Coroner from Westmoreland County, PA. I still think that James Kinkead who married Margaret Kuhns was the son of John Kinkead who married Mary Lee in Carlisle, PA in: 1796 John Kincaid [15550] married Mary Lee at First Presbyterian Church, Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA         on April 27, 1796.  Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA The above John Kincaid I believe to be the son of James Kinkead of West Pennsboro, Cumberland County, PA.  These were later the Kincaids of Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:42:26 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the Sadsbury Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) of Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury Kincaids. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo..com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County,PA > Dear Kincaid-listers, I have also found more on James Kinkead, Coroner & > Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA. I am now pretty sure that Samuel > Kinkead (died 1840) of Butler County, PA is the son of James Kinkead of > Westmoreland County, PA. The proximity of John Kinkead, formerly of > Lancaster County, PA and James Kinkead, Recorder of Westmoreland County, > PA to the John and James Kinkead of Smith Township, Washington County, PA > also make me believe that they are related to them. This is the territory > of the Kincaids from the Ben Dixon book. I now have enough circumstancial > evidence to place them within the Sadsbury, West Caln, East Caln > Townships, Chester County, PA Kincaid family cluster. I still haven't > found where or when James Kinkead, Recorder died, but Armstrong County, PA > might be the place to look. > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Second the close connection for 2563 and 119921! The 67 marker FTDNA probability of common ancestors is 95% at 8 generations. For 67 markers results this is high! For comparison the 4 in Group A, Set 1a who are exact matches on the whole 67 markers have a probability of a common ancestor within 8 generations of 97%, so almost as high as the exact matches. Since 2563 traces back to John Kincaid, The Patriarch and 119921 traces back to John Kincaid of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA, it seems the earliest possible common ancestor would the the grandfather of these 2 Johns. (Unless 2 sons in the same family were named John.....not very likely) Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA results for 119921 Interesting close connection to sample 2563. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:48 AM Subject: [KINCAID] DNA results for 119921 > The last of the upgrade to 67 markers has been returned for 119921. He > matches the Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A Kincaids at all but two > markers. He has the 12 at marker 26 (DYS 460) which places him in set 1b > and > what appears to be a late mutation (no one else has it) to 15 from the AAV > 16 at marker 13 (DYS 458). Charles believes he is a descendent of John of > Sadsbury and is working on a vetting post. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message