Dear Kincaid-listers, I was transcribing some Duncan wills, one of Nancy Ann Duncan, my granfather Carl G. Duncan's grandmother, at the bottom of the will was this:     Be it remembered that on the 1st day of August A.D. 1892 W.H. Anderson & J.A. Anderson personally                 appeared  before me  the Deputy Register for the Probate of Wills, in and for said county, they being the             subscribing witnesses to the  forgoing last will and testament of Nancy Ann Duncan, late of Darlington                 Borough, deceased, and after being duly sworn  according to law, did depose and say that they were present     and saw the said Nancy Ann Duncan sign the foregoing  instrument of writing by making her mark she being         too feeble to write and heard her publish, pronounce, and declare  the same to be her last will and testament         and at the time of her so doing the testator was of sound and disposing mind  memory and understanding to         the best of deponent’s knowledge, observation, and belief and that they signed the same  as witnesses thereto     at the request of said testator.    And now the testimony of the above name witnesses  being sufficient  I do hereby admit the foregoing will to   Probate and order the same to be recorded as such.    John A. Sturgeve, Deputy Register I had wondered about some wills signed with a mark.  It does not necessarily mean that the person signing didn't know how to write, it could be that the testator was too weak or incapacitated to write a signature.  A stroke could cause such incapacity, even though the person could still communicate personal desires in a will or codicil. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

Thankyou Don, I thank my family for all the help they gave me in sharing what they had also. Now I just hope it helps someone tie into our line.... :). Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fw: Vetting Post for #11207 > Sally, It is great to see your vetting post. Hopefully your post will > bring in other info to further extend your lineage info. We will review > your details as we have time but just a quick look shows you have done a > good job. > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sali > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:51 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: Vetting Post for #11207 > > > > Vetting #11207 Group A set 1b to > James Kincaid and Elizabeth Church > > Researcher, Sally Standley, is granddaughter of Lola Mae Kincade Gibson > > Participant is son of John Rufus Kincade and Geraldine Maley > > Proven by: > > Obituary in Ohio newspaper the "Plain Dealer" Feb. 22, 1994 for John > Rufus Kincade naming participant as son and Geraldine as wife. > > Personal Knowledge: He is acknowledged by family as son of John Rufus > Kincade. The family is large and have continued to keep in touch through > generations. For many years a yearly fish fry and ice-cream social was > held near Pocahontas, AR where the whole family gathered while Lola Mae > and others shared family stories. Family photos of all generations back to > James & Susan Runnion are identified and in the possession of the > researcher. > __________________________________________ > > John Rufus Kincade b 22 Jan 1904 Pocahontas, Randolph Co. AR d 21 Feb > 1994 Lakewood, Ohio buried All Saints Cemetery, Lakeland, Ohio m Geraldine > Maley > > Son of James Perry Kincaid and Georgeann Hawkins > > Proven by: > > Ohio Death Certificate for John Rufus Kincade lists above birth date and > place and wife Geraldine Maley. Lists parents as James Perry Kincaid and > Georgeann Hawkins. > > Probate Ct. Record #129 Randolph Co., Arkansas, Estate of Perry Kincaid, > Administrator John Kincade. > "That Whereas, J. Perry Kincaid was killed by electricity, near > Pocahontas, Arkansas on or about the 23rd day of July, 1926, leaving > surviving him his widow Birdie Kincade, and two sons, and one daughter, > Hulett Kincade and John Kincade, and Lola Gibson, nee Kincade;" > > 1910 Randolph Co., AR Census > Perry Kincade, 28 AR married 2nd/4 years ago > Birdie, wife 32 > Hulit, son 10 > Lola, dau. 8 > John, son 6 > > Pocahontas Star Herald, March 16, 1906 > p. 1 "The following marriage license was issued since our last issue: > J. P. Kincade to Mrs. Birdie Million" > p. 40 "Perry Kincade and Mrs. Birdie Million were married at the home of > Rev. M.D. Bowers Sunday at 3 o'clock p.m." > > Arkansas Bond and Marriage license issued to James P. Kincade and Georgia > A. Hawkins April 1, 1899. Certificate of Marriage April 2, 1899. > Certificate of Record April 24, 1899. Bond signed by John R. A. Kincade > > Personal knowledge Lola Mae Kincade Gibson acknowledged John Rufus as her > brother and participant as his son. Lola said her mother's name was George > Ann Hawkins who died when her clothes caught fire when Lola was 3 years > old. Lola is buried in the same grave plot as George Ann in the Sutton > Cemetary. Lola's death certificate lists James Perry Kincade and Georgann > Hawkins as her parents, informant was her daughter (mother of researcher). > Researcher's 1st plane trip was with Grandma Lola to see "Uncle John, Aunt > Gerry and the kids". > _______________________________ > James Perry Kincade b 1880 d July 23, 1926 m 1st Georgia A. Hawkins April > 2 1899, 2nd Birdie H. Carter Million > > Son of John Rufus Adams Kincade and Mary Elizabeth Sutton > > Proven by: > > Arkansas Bond and Marriage License for John R. A. Kincade and Mary E. > Sutton, March 19, 1880: Certificate of Marriage 21 March 1880: Certificate > of Record 27 March 1880. Bond signed by David Million and John R.A. > Kincade. > > 1900 Census Pocahontas, Randolph, Arkansas > John R. Kinsade 40 Ark > Mary E. 38 > George D 16 > Martha M 13 > Marion T 10 > Luke 8 > Fred 3 > Ed 1/12 > > 1930 Roanoke twp, Randolph Co. AR Census > Mary E. Kincade 67 b AR parents b Tennessee, widow, married at 17 > Hershel 9 grandson b AR parents b AR > Thomas S Sutton 55 brother b AR > > Mary's obituary reads: Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Kincade, aged 84, lifetime > resident of Pocahontas, died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Earl > Dawson, March 15. She was born March 18, 1863, a daughter of the late Mr. > and Mrs. Frank Sutton. Her husband, John Kincade, preceded her in death > several years ago. She was a member of the Free Will Baptist Church. > Funeral services were conducted at Sutton church Sunday at 2:30 p.m., by > the Revs. Ralph Staten and W. Harry Hunt. > She is survived by four sons, Geo., Ed, Luke and Fred Kincade; her > daughter and 37 grandchildren. > > > Personal knowledge: Lola Kincade Gibson told stories about staying with > Grandma Mary Elizabeth Sutton Kincaid. It was passed down in the family > that Mary E. found a cure that works well for colitis in babies. > Researcher's mother also stayed with her grandma Mary E. Sutton Kincade as > a child during summer months. Researcher personally knows as cousins a > son of George David Kincade, a granddaughter of Ed Kincade, and Hershel > Kincade, son of Fred Kincade among others. The children in the 1900 census > above were identified as Aunts and Uncles by Lola Mae. George David > Kincaid told his son about walking to Black Rock with his father who > worked there fixing tug boats and barges. They lived near the Black River. > > "Historical and Genealogical Abstracts from Randolph County Arkansas, > Newspaper of 1903 > Pocahontas Star Herald p. 42 > "Perry Kincade and family visited his father in Black river bottoms > Saturday night and Sunday" > > ____________________________ > John Rufus Adams Kincade b 4 Jan 1859 AR d 8 Dec 1903 Pocahontas, Randoph > Co. AR m 21 Mar 1880 Mary Elizabeth Sutton b 1863 dau of James F and Anne > Sutton > > Son of James P. Kincaid and Susannah Runnion > > Proven by: > > 1880 Census Randolph Co. AR > John Kingcad 21 AR parents b TN > Mary 17 AR parents b TN > (next door is James F. Sutton and Anne Sutton) > > 1870 Census Randolph Co. AR Demun twp Pocahontas post office > J. W. Collier 53 NC > Susannah 41 TN > V. Collier 6 TN (Victoria) > J.H. Kincaid 15 TN (note this should be G. H.) > Eliza Kincaid 12 TN > JOHN Kincaid 11 TN > W.H. Collier 12 TN > J.E. Collier 3 AR > > Randolph Co. AR Marriage Record > James W. Collier to Susan Kingkade filed Nov 18, 1862. Marriage Record > 27th day of Nov 1862. Certificate of Record 28th day of Nov 1862 > > Randolph Co. AR tax lists. > 1854 J.P. Kincade listed but has no assessment. > 1861 J.P. Kincade paid taxes on 120a > 1862 Susan Kincade paid taxes on 120a. J.P. is not on list > > 1860 Census Randolph Co. AR Roanoke Twp Blacks Ferry post office > (Extra census info will be needed in next link. Placed here to keep 1860 > AR census together in order to show locational relationship) > #1016 > Robert J. Newsom 43 TN Mill Right > Elizabeth 22 TN > Jerome W 5 TN > Margaret 4 TN > James 3 TN > Amanda 1 TN > > #1018 > James Kinkade 38 TN carpenter > Susan 26 TN > Lucinda 9 TN > George H. 7 TN > > #1019 > James F(rank). Sutton 31 TN > Anne 28 TN > Lucile 8 TN > Wm A. 6 TN > George W 5 TN > Francis M 2 TN > > 1860 Lawrence Co. AR Census (borders Randolph Co. near Blackrock) > #873 (note Samuel is actually last name in #872 but 1st name in #873 is 5 > yr old female with last name of previous family) > Samuel B Kincade 27 TN > Jane 39 > Rufus 22 TN > Mary A 18 > James R 7 > William G 7 > Elizabeth J 1 > > Samuel B Kincade married Jane Maxwell 22 Apr 1857 Lawrence Co. AR. No > divorce record from Barbara (see below) has been found. > Samuel B Kinkade and Rufus A Kinkade enlisted in the Confederate army in > Pocahontas, AR. Samuel died May 20, 1862. Probate records list his heirs > as James R and William G Maxwell and Elizabeth J. Kinkade. "Father and > Mother of said minors are both deceased." > > Letter written Oct 26, 1883 by "Nannie" Paddock of San Francisco to > cousin "Ellen" in Arkansas. Nannie is Amanda Newsom above. Ellen is > Lucinda Kincade Million, dau of Susan Runnion Kincade Collier. Nannie asks > for news about the family including Aunt Susan, cousin Henry, cousin > George Henry, cousin Johnny, "Vick" and Uncle Rufus. She mentions Mother, > sister Margery, and brother Jerome. > (Explanation of relationships for above) > > > ______________________________ > James Perry b c1828 TN d 1861-2 Pocahontas, Randolph Co. AR m June 8, > 1850 Lewis Co. TN Susannah Runnion dau of Thomas & Parthena Runnion. > > Son of James Kincaid and Elizabeth Church > > Marriage book Lewis Co. TN > James P. Kincaid and Susannah Runnion 8 June 1850 no return filed > Elizabeth A Kincaid and Robert Joe Newsom 17 Jan 1853 > Samuel B Kincaid and Barbary Runnions 16 April 1853 > > Alexander Kincade sold 174+acres in Lewis Co.TN to Robert J. Newsom 14 > July 1853. Property included a mill. No explanation of how 21 yr old > Alexander acquired the property. > 1850 Census Lewis Co. TN Civil Dist #5 August 29 > James Kincade 53 cabinet maker KY > Elizabeth 45 TN > James P 22 cabinet maker TN > Alexander 18 cabinet maker TN > Samuel B 17 cabinet maker TN > Elizabeth A 15 TN > Rufus A 13 TN > Sarah P 11 TN > Rachel C 8 TN > Martha E 4 TN > William L (sic T). 1 TN > > 1850 Census Lewis Co. TN Civil Dist #3 Sept 1850 > #329 > Thomas Runyan 74 > Parthenia 50 > Barbary 16 > Nancy 7 > Dorathy 3 > > #330 > Winny Runyan 26 F TN > John McHenry Runyan 2 TN > Susanah Runyan 17 TN > Lucinda Runyan 2/12 TN > > In 1869 Winny Runyan signed a deposition presented in court that she had > lived in Lewis Co. since it was formed "I have never been married. I have > five children." Barbara Kincaid is called as witness and did not come in > the same court case. > > 1860 Census Lewis Co. TN > #25 > Winney Runnions 36 > Jane 17 > John M 12 > Thomas 10 > Joseph 5 > James P 3 > Mary J 7/12 > William A 7/12 > > #27 > Thomas Runnions 77 > Parthena 60 > Barbara 25 > Sarah 12 > Mary 9 > John 8/12 > > #29 > James Kingkaid 65 TN (ditto mark runs down the page) > Elizabeth 58 TN > Rachel 18 > Martha 16 > Taylor 15 > James C. 5 > > James C. Kincade and his mother Barbara Kincade are buried next to each > other in Sheboss Cemetery, NW Maury Co. TN. According to this family > Samuel disappeared and Barbara never found out what happened to him. > > _________________________ > James Kincaid b c 1795-1797 KY, TN or NC d c1861 Lewis Co. TN m 1822-25 > TN Elizabeth Church dau. of Joshua and Priscilla Church. > > MARTHA ELEANDER KINCADE (see 1850 Lewis Co. TN census for James Kincaid & > Elizabeth) > > Record of Deaths published in the Maury County Historical Society, > republished in Historic Maury, 1987 included: Martha E. Pinion, white, > female, widowed, b. 9 June 1845, d. 18 May 1927, aged 81-11-9; dau. of > Jas. Kincaid and Elizabeth Church, both born North Carolina. Cause of > death was ureamia. Inf. given by Mrs. Joe Dunn, Mt. Pleasant, burial > Columbia. > > > > Son of unknown > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Correction: Clara Kinkead's grandson, William Bruce Anderson, and his wife, Susan Reid Anderson, are/were writers for the Toronto Star (not newscasters--my mistake). > K-listers > > . . . Cliff Kincaid . > > I might add that my cousins, descendants of Clara Kinkead and J.A. Cuthbert, > were (maybe are) newscasters on Windsor, Canada, television. > > Dick Kinkead DNA 2562 > Lantana, FL

K-listers Without getting into the subject matter (we K's come in all political stripes), it's good to see one of our cousins taking up the journalistic mantel of Eugene Kinkead (NY Times), Jim Kincaid (ABC News) and who knows how many other predecessors: Cliff Kincaid is certainly making his mark in the world. I wonder which DNA line is his. I might add that my cousins, descendants of Clara Kinkead and J.A. Cuthbert, were (maybe are) newscasters on Windsor, Canada, television. Dick Kinkead DNA 2562 Lantana, FL

Sally, It is great to see your vetting post. Hopefully your post will bring in other info to further extend your lineage info. We will review your details as we have time but just a quick look shows you have done a good job. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Sali To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: Vetting Post for #11207 Vetting #11207 Group A set 1b to James Kincaid and Elizabeth Church Researcher, Sally Standley, is granddaughter of Lola Mae Kincade Gibson Participant is son of John Rufus Kincade and Geraldine Maley Proven by: Obituary in Ohio newspaper the "Plain Dealer" Feb. 22, 1994 for John Rufus Kincade naming participant as son and Geraldine as wife. Personal Knowledge: He is acknowledged by family as son of John Rufus Kincade. The family is large and have continued to keep in touch through generations. For many years a yearly fish fry and ice-cream social was held near Pocahontas, AR where the whole family gathered while Lola Mae and others shared family stories. Family photos of all generations back to James & Susan Runnion are identified and in the possession of the researcher. __________________________________________ John Rufus Kincade b 22 Jan 1904 Pocahontas, Randolph Co. AR d 21 Feb 1994 Lakewood, Ohio buried All Saints Cemetery, Lakeland, Ohio m Geraldine Maley Son of James Perry Kincaid and Georgeann Hawkins Proven by: Ohio Death Certificate for John Rufus Kincade lists above birth date and place and wife Geraldine Maley. Lists parents as James Perry Kincaid and Georgeann Hawkins. Probate Ct. Record #129 Randolph Co., Arkansas, Estate of Perry Kincaid, Administrator John Kincade. "That Whereas, J. Perry Kincaid was killed by electricity, near Pocahontas, Arkansas on or about the 23rd day of July, 1926, leaving surviving him his widow Birdie Kincade, and two sons, and one daughter, Hulett Kincade and John Kincade, and Lola Gibson, nee Kincade;" 1910 Randolph Co., AR Census Perry Kincade, 28 AR married 2nd/4 years ago Birdie, wife 32 Hulit, son 10 Lola, dau. 8 John, son 6 Pocahontas Star Herald, March 16, 1906 p. 1 "The following marriage license was issued since our last issue: J. P. Kincade to Mrs. Birdie Million" p. 40 "Perry Kincade and Mrs. Birdie Million were married at the home of Rev. M.D. Bowers Sunday at 3 o'clock p.m." Arkansas Bond and Marriage license issued to James P. Kincade and Georgia A. Hawkins April 1, 1899. Certificate of Marriage April 2, 1899. Certificate of Record April 24, 1899. Bond signed by John R. A. Kincade Personal knowledge Lola Mae Kincade Gibson acknowledged John Rufus as her brother and participant as his son. Lola said her mother's name was George Ann Hawkins who died when her clothes caught fire when Lola was 3 years old. Lola is buried in the same grave plot as George Ann in the Sutton Cemetary. Lola's death certificate lists James Perry Kincade and Georgann Hawkins as her parents, informant was her daughter (mother of researcher). Researcher's 1st plane trip was with Grandma Lola to see "Uncle John, Aunt Gerry and the kids". _______________________________ James Perry Kincade b 1880 d July 23, 1926 m 1st Georgia A. Hawkins April 2 1899, 2nd Birdie H. Carter Million Son of John Rufus Adams Kincade and Mary Elizabeth Sutton Proven by: Arkansas Bond and Marriage License for John R. A. Kincade and Mary E. Sutton, March 19, 1880: Certificate of Marriage 21 March 1880: Certificate of Record 27 March 1880. Bond signed by David Million and John R.A. Kincade. 1900 Census Pocahontas, Randolph, Arkansas John R. Kinsade 40 Ark Mary E. 38 George D 16 Martha M 13 Marion T 10 Luke 8 Fred 3 Ed 1/12 1930 Roanoke twp, Randolph Co. AR Census Mary E. Kincade 67 b AR parents b Tennessee, widow, married at 17 Hershel 9 grandson b AR parents b AR Thomas S Sutton 55 brother b AR Mary's obituary reads: Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Kincade, aged 84, lifetime resident of Pocahontas, died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Earl Dawson, March 15. She was born March 18, 1863, a daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. Frank Sutton. Her husband, John Kincade, preceded her in death several years ago. She was a member of the Free Will Baptist Church. Funeral services were conducted at Sutton church Sunday at 2:30 p.m., by the Revs. Ralph Staten and W. Harry Hunt. She is survived by four sons, Geo., Ed, Luke and Fred Kincade; her daughter and 37 grandchildren. Personal knowledge: Lola Kincade Gibson told stories about staying with Grandma Mary Elizabeth Sutton Kincaid. It was passed down in the family that Mary E. found a cure that works well for colitis in babies. Researcher's mother also stayed with her grandma Mary E. Sutton Kincade as a child during summer months. Researcher personally knows as cousins a son of George David Kincade, a granddaughter of Ed Kincade, and Hershel Kincade, son of Fred Kincade among others. The children in the 1900 census above were identified as Aunts and Uncles by Lola Mae. George David Kincaid told his son about walking to Black Rock with his father who worked there fixing tug boats and barges. They lived near the Black River. "Historical and Genealogical Abstracts from Randolph County Arkansas, Newspaper of 1903 Pocahontas Star Herald p. 42 "Perry Kincade and family visited his father in Black river bottoms Saturday night and Sunday" ____________________________ John Rufus Adams Kincade b 4 Jan 1859 AR d 8 Dec 1903 Pocahontas, Randoph Co. AR m 21 Mar 1880 Mary Elizabeth Sutton b 1863 dau of James F and Anne Sutton Son of James P. Kincaid and Susannah Runnion Proven by: 1880 Census Randolph Co. AR John Kingcad 21 AR parents b TN Mary 17 AR parents b TN (next door is James F. Sutton and Anne Sutton) 1870 Census Randolph Co. AR Demun twp Pocahontas post office J. W. Collier 53 NC Susannah 41 TN V. Collier 6 TN (Victoria) J.H. Kincaid 15 TN (note this should be G. H.) Eliza Kincaid 12 TN JOHN Kincaid 11 TN W.H. Collier 12 TN J.E. Collier 3 AR Randolph Co. AR Marriage Record James W. Collier to Susan Kingkade filed Nov 18, 1862. Marriage Record 27th day of Nov 1862. Certificate of Record 28th day of Nov 1862 Randolph Co. AR tax lists. 1854 J.P. Kincade listed but has no assessment. 1861 J.P. Kincade paid taxes on 120a 1862 Susan Kincade paid taxes on 120a. J.P. is not on list 1860 Census Randolph Co. AR Roanoke Twp Blacks Ferry post office (Extra census info will be needed in next link. Placed here to keep 1860 AR census together in order to show locational relationship) #1016 Robert J. Newsom 43 TN Mill Right Elizabeth 22 TN Jerome W 5 TN Margaret 4 TN James 3 TN Amanda 1 TN #1018 James Kinkade 38 TN carpenter Susan 26 TN Lucinda 9 TN George H. 7 TN #1019 James F(rank). Sutton 31 TN Anne 28 TN Lucile 8 TN Wm A. 6 TN George W 5 TN Francis M 2 TN 1860 Lawrence Co. AR Census (borders Randolph Co. near Blackrock) #873 (note Samuel is actually last name in #872 but 1st name in #873 is 5 yr old female with last name of previous family) Samuel B Kincade 27 TN Jane 39 Rufus 22 TN Mary A 18 James R 7 William G 7 Elizabeth J 1 Samuel B Kincade married Jane Maxwell 22 Apr 1857 Lawrence Co. AR. No divorce record from Barbara (see below) has been found. Samuel B Kinkade and Rufus A Kinkade enlisted in the Confederate army in Pocahontas, AR. Samuel died May 20, 1862. Probate records list his heirs as James R and William G Maxwell and Elizabeth J. Kinkade. "Father and Mother of said minors are both deceased." Letter written Oct 26, 1883 by "Nannie" Paddock of San Francisco to cousin "Ellen" in Arkansas. Nannie is Amanda Newsom above. Ellen is Lucinda Kincade Million, dau of Susan Runnion Kincade Collier. Nannie asks for news about the family including Aunt Susan, cousin Henry, cousin George Henry, cousin Johnny, "Vick" and Uncle Rufus. She mentions Mother, sister Margery, and brother Jerome. (Explanation of relationships for above) ______________________________ James Perry b c1828 TN d 1861-2 Pocahontas, Randolph Co. AR m June 8, 1850 Lewis Co. TN Susannah Runnion dau of Thomas & Parthena Runnion. Son of James Kincaid and Elizabeth Church Marriage book Lewis Co. TN James P. Kincaid and Susannah Runnion 8 June 1850 no return filed Elizabeth A Kincaid and Robert Joe Newsom 17 Jan 1853 Samuel B Kincaid and Barbary Runnions 16 April 1853 Alexander Kincade sold 174+acres in Lewis Co.TN to Robert J. Newsom 14 July 1853. Property included a mill. No explanation of how 21 yr old Alexander acquired the property. 1850 Census Lewis Co. TN Civil Dist #5 August 29 James Kincade 53 cabinet maker KY Elizabeth 45 TN James P 22 cabinet maker TN Alexander 18 cabinet maker TN Samuel B 17 cabinet maker TN Elizabeth A 15 TN Rufus A 13 TN Sarah P 11 TN Rachel C 8 TN Martha E 4 TN William L (sic T). 1 TN 1850 Census Lewis Co. TN Civil Dist #3 Sept 1850 #329 Thomas Runyan 74 Parthenia 50 Barbary 16 Nancy 7 Dorathy 3 #330 Winny Runyan 26 F TN John McHenry Runyan 2 TN Susanah Runyan 17 TN Lucinda Runyan 2/12 TN In 1869 Winny Runyan signed a deposition presented in court that she had lived in Lewis Co. since it was formed "I have never been married. I have five children." Barbara Kincaid is called as witness and did not come in the same court case. 1860 Census Lewis Co. TN #25 Winney Runnions 36 Jane 17 John M 12 Thomas 10 Joseph 5 James P 3 Mary J 7/12 William A 7/12 #27 Thomas Runnions 77 Parthena 60 Barbara 25 Sarah 12 Mary 9 John 8/12 #29 James Kingkaid 65 TN (ditto mark runs down the page) Elizabeth 58 TN Rachel 18 Martha 16 Taylor 15 James C. 5 James C. Kincade and his mother Barbara Kincade are buried next to each other in Sheboss Cemetery, NW Maury Co. TN. According to this family Samuel disappeared and Barbara never found out what happened to him. _________________________ James Kincaid b c 1795-1797 KY, TN or NC d c1861 Lewis Co. TN m 1822-25 TN Elizabeth Church dau. of Joshua and Priscilla Church. MARTHA ELEANDER KINCADE (see 1850 Lewis Co. TN census for James Kincaid & Elizabeth) Record of Deaths published in the Maury County Historical Society, republished in Historic Maury, 1987 included: Martha E. Pinion, white, female, widowed, b. 9 June 1845, d. 18 May 1927, aged 81-11-9; dau. of Jas. Kincaid and Elizabeth Church, both born North Carolina. Cause of death was ureamia. Inf. given by Mrs. Joe Dunn, Mt. Pleasant, burial Columbia. Son of unknown To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dick, We have known Cliff Kincaid for several years, having first contacted him 4 or 5 years ago in a search for one of my father's cousins who was a Cliff Kincaid also but he turned out not to be a kinsman. We have tried to get him into the Kincaid DNA project to no avail. He did offer to help our grandson (who is a Lt in the Army Intelligence) with connections in D. C. I will try again on getting Cliff into our DNA project. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Kinkead To: Genealogy, KINCAID Cc: cliff.kincaid@aim.org ; (Cuthbert),Ryk & Heather Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaids in the news K-listers Without getting into the subject matter (we K's come in all political stripes), it's good to see one of our cousins taking up the journalistic mantel of Eugene Kinkead (NY Times), Jim Kincaid (ABC News) and who knows how many other predecessors: Cliff Kincaid is certainly making his mark in the world. I wonder which DNA line is his. I might add that my cousins, descendants of Clara Kinkead and J.A. Cuthbert, were (maybe are) newscasters on Windsor, Canada, television. Dick Kinkead DNA 2562 Lantana, FL To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope that anyone who can find time to look over this post will do so. You are the vetting committee and I need to know whether you feel there is enough information to mark the line as vetted. If anyone has concerns about any of the linkages please voice them. There may be additional information that will help support the link. It is very difficult to strike a balance between so much information that the line is hard to follow and too little information to prove the linkage. I will wait several weeks before marking the line as vetted so that anyone who cares to can respond. This is a very close family with a rich oral tradition. The family centers on a fairly small NE Arkansas town. Although scattered to other areas now, for several generations the family attended the same church, married and lived within the same area. Sally and her cousins have sought documentation to support the stories they grew up hearing, and I believe, successfully traced back the original immigrants in this area to their parents in Lewis Co. TN. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sali" <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: Vetting Post for #11207 > > Vetting #11207 Group A set 1b to > James Kincaid and Elizabeth Church > > Researcher, Sally Standley, is granddaughter of Lola Mae Kincade Gibson > > Participant is son of John Rufus Kincade and Geraldine Maley > > Proven by: > > Obituary in Ohio newspaper the "Plain Dealer" Feb. 22, 1994 for John Rufus > Kincade naming participant as son and Geraldine as wife. > > Personal Knowledge: He is acknowledged by family as son of John Rufus > Kincade. The family is large and have continued to keep in touch through > generations. For many years a yearly fish fry and ice-cream social was > held near Pocahontas, AR where the whole family gathered while Lola Mae > and others shared family stories. Family photos of all generations back to > James & Susan Runnion are identified and in the possession of the > researcher. > __________________________________________ > > John Rufus Kincade b 22 Jan 1904 Pocahontas, Randolph Co. AR d 21 Feb > 1994 Lakewood, Ohio buried All Saints Cemetery, Lakeland, Ohio m Geraldine > Maley > > Son of James Perry Kincaid and Georgeann Hawkins > > Proven by: > > Ohio Death Certificate for John Rufus Kincade lists above birth date and > place and wife Geraldine Maley. Lists parents as James Perry Kincaid and > Georgeann Hawkins. > > Probate Ct. Record #129 Randolph Co., Arkansas, Estate of Perry Kincaid, > Administrator John Kincade. > "That Whereas, J. Perry Kincaid was killed by electricity, near > Pocahontas, Arkansas on or about the 23rd day of July, 1926, leaving > surviving him his widow Birdie Kincade, and two sons, and one daughter, > Hulett Kincade and John Kincade, and Lola Gibson, nee Kincade;" > > 1910 Randolph Co., AR Census > Perry Kincade, 28 AR married 2nd/4 years ago > Birdie, wife 32 > Hulit, son 10 > Lola, dau. 8 > John, son 6 > > Pocahontas Star Herald, March 16, 1906 > p. 1 "The following marriage license was issued since our last issue: > J. P. Kincade to Mrs. Birdie Million" > p. 40 "Perry Kincade and Mrs. Birdie Million were married at the home of > Rev. M.D. Bowers Sunday at 3 o'clock p.m." > > Arkansas Bond and Marriage license issued to James P. Kincade and Georgia > A. Hawkins April 1, 1899. Certificate of Marriage April 2, 1899. > Certificate of Record April 24, 1899. Bond signed by John R. A. Kincade > > Personal knowledge Lola Mae Kincade Gibson acknowledged John Rufus as her > brother and participant as his son. Lola said her mother's name was George > Ann Hawkins who died when her clothes caught fire when Lola was 3 years > old. Lola is buried in the same grave plot as George Ann in the Sutton > Cemetary. Lola's death certificate lists James Perry Kincade and Georgann > Hawkins as her parents, informant was her daughter (mother of researcher). > Researcher's 1st plane trip was with Grandma Lola to see "Uncle John, Aunt > Gerry and the kids". > _______________________________ > James Perry Kincade b 1880 d July 23, 1926 m 1st Georgia A. Hawkins April > 2 1899, 2nd Birdie H. Carter Million > > Son of John Rufus Adams Kincade and Mary Elizabeth Sutton > > Proven by: > > Arkansas Bond and Marriage License for John R. A. Kincade and Mary E. > Sutton, March 19, 1880: Certificate of Marriage 21 March 1880: Certificate > of Record 27 March 1880. Bond signed by David Million and John R.A. > Kincade. > > 1900 Census Pocahontas, Randolph, Arkansas > John R. Kinsade 40 Ark > Mary E. 38 > George D 16 > Martha M 13 > Marion T 10 > Luke 8 > Fred 3 > Ed 1/12 > > 1930 Roanoke twp, Randolph Co. AR Census > Mary E. Kincade 67 b AR parents b Tennessee, widow, married at 17 > Hershel 9 grandson b AR parents b AR > Thomas S Sutton 55 brother b AR > > Mary's obituary reads: Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Kincade, aged 84, lifetime > resident of Pocahontas, died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Earl > Dawson, March 15. She was born March 18, 1863, a daughter of the late Mr. > and Mrs. Frank Sutton. Her husband, John Kincade, preceded her in death > several years ago. She was a member of the Free Will Baptist Church. > Funeral services were conducted at Sutton church Sunday at 2:30 p.m., by > the Revs. Ralph Staten and W. Harry Hunt. > She is survived by four sons, Geo., Ed, Luke and Fred Kincade; her > daughter and 37 grandchildren. > > > Personal knowledge: Lola Kincade Gibson told stories about staying with > Grandma Mary Elizabeth Sutton Kincaid. It was passed down in the family > that Mary E. found a cure that works well for colitis in babies. > Researcher's mother also stayed with her grandma Mary E. Sutton Kincade as > a child during summer months. Researcher personally knows as cousins a > son of George David Kincade, a granddaughter of Ed Kincade, and Hershel > Kincade, son of Fred Kincade among others. The children in the 1900 census > above were identified as Aunts and Uncles by Lola Mae. George David > Kincaid told his son about walking to Black Rock with his father who > worked there fixing tug boats and barges. They lived near the Black River. > > "Historical and Genealogical Abstracts from Randolph County Arkansas, > Newspaper of 1903 > Pocahontas Star Herald p. 42 > "Perry Kincade and family visited his father in Black river bottoms > Saturday night and Sunday" > > ____________________________ > John Rufus Adams Kincade b 4 Jan 1859 AR d 8 Dec 1903 Pocahontas, Randoph > Co. AR m 21 Mar 1880 Mary Elizabeth Sutton b 1863 dau of James F and Anne > Sutton > > Son of James P. Kincaid and Susannah Runnion > > Proven by: > > 1880 Census Randolph Co. AR > John Kingcad 21 AR parents b TN > Mary 17 AR parents b TN > (next door is James F. Sutton and Anne Sutton) > > 1870 Census Randolph Co. AR Demun twp Pocahontas post office > J. W. Collier 53 NC > Susannah 41 TN > V. Collier 6 TN (Victoria) > J.H. Kincaid 15 TN (note this should be G. H.) > Eliza Kincaid 12 TN > JOHN Kincaid 11 TN > W.H. Collier 12 TN > J.E. Collier 3 AR > > Randolph Co. AR Marriage Record > James W. Collier to Susan Kingkade filed Nov 18, 1862. Marriage Record > 27th day of Nov 1862. Certificate of Record 28th day of Nov 1862 > > Randolph Co. AR tax lists. > 1854 J.P. Kincade listed but has no assessment. > 1861 J.P. Kincade paid taxes on 120a > 1862 Susan Kincade paid taxes on 120a. J.P. is not on list > > 1860 Census Randolph Co. AR Roanoke Twp Blacks Ferry post office > (Extra census info will be needed in next link. Placed here to keep 1860 > AR census together in order to show locational relationship) > #1016 > Robert J. Newsom 43 TN Mill Right > Elizabeth 22 TN > Jerome W 5 TN > Margaret 4 TN > James 3 TN > Amanda 1 TN > > #1018 > James Kinkade 38 TN carpenter > Susan 26 TN > Lucinda 9 TN > George H. 7 TN > > #1019 > James F(rank). Sutton 31 TN > Anne 28 TN > Lucile 8 TN > Wm A. 6 TN > George W 5 TN > Francis M 2 TN > > 1860 Lawrence Co. AR Census (borders Randolph Co. near Blackrock) > #873 (note Samuel is actually last name in #872 but 1st name in #873 is 5 > yr old female with last name of previous family) > Samuel B Kincade 27 TN > Jane 39 > Rufus 22 TN > Mary A 18 > James R 7 > William G 7 > Elizabeth J 1 > > Samuel B Kincade married Jane Maxwell 22 Apr 1857 Lawrence Co. AR. No > divorce record from Barbara (see below) has been found. > Samuel B Kinkade and Rufus A Kinkade enlisted in the Confederate army in > Pocahontas, AR. Samuel died May 20, 1862. Probate records list his heirs > as James R and William G Maxwell and Elizabeth J. Kinkade. "Father and > Mother of said minors are both deceased." > > Letter written Oct 26, 1883 by "Nannie" Paddock of San Francisco to cousin > "Ellen" in Arkansas. Nannie is Amanda Newsom above. Ellen is Lucinda > Kincade Million, dau of Susan Runnion Kincade Collier. Nannie asks for > news about the family including Aunt Susan, cousin Henry, cousin George > Henry, cousin Johnny, "Vick" and Uncle Rufus. She mentions Mother, sister > Margery, and brother Jerome. > (Explanation of relationships for above) > > > ______________________________ > James Perry b c1828 TN d 1861-2 Pocahontas, Randolph Co. AR m June 8, 1850 > Lewis Co. TN Susannah Runnion dau of Thomas & Parthena Runnion. > > Son of James Kincaid and Elizabeth Church > > Marriage book Lewis Co. TN > James P. Kincaid and Susannah Runnion 8 June 1850 no return filed > Elizabeth A Kincaid and Robert Joe Newsom 17 Jan 1853 > Samuel B Kincaid and Barbary Runnions 16 April 1853 > > Alexander Kincade sold 174+acres in Lewis Co.TN to Robert J. Newsom 14 > July 1853. Property included a mill. No explanation of how 21 yr old > Alexander acquired the property. > 1850 Census Lewis Co. TN Civil Dist #5 August 29 > James Kincade 53 cabinet maker KY > Elizabeth 45 TN > James P 22 cabinet maker TN > Alexander 18 cabinet maker TN > Samuel B 17 cabinet maker TN > Elizabeth A 15 TN > Rufus A 13 TN > Sarah P 11 TN > Rachel C 8 TN > Martha E 4 TN > William L (sic T). 1 TN > > 1850 Census Lewis Co. TN Civil Dist #3 Sept 1850 > #329 > Thomas Runyan 74 > Parthenia 50 > Barbary 16 > Nancy 7 > Dorathy 3 > > #330 > Winny Runyan 26 F TN > John McHenry Runyan 2 TN > Susanah Runyan 17 TN > Lucinda Runyan 2/12 TN > > In 1869 Winny Runyan signed a deposition presented in court that she had > lived in Lewis Co. since it was formed "I have never been married. I have > five children." Barbara Kincaid is called as witness and did not come in > the same court case. > > 1860 Census Lewis Co. TN > #25 > Winney Runnions 36 > Jane 17 > John M 12 > Thomas 10 > Joseph 5 > James P 3 > Mary J 7/12 > William A 7/12 > > #27 > Thomas Runnions 77 > Parthena 60 > Barbara 25 > Sarah 12 > Mary 9 > John 8/12 > > #29 > James Kingkaid 65 TN (ditto mark runs down the page) > Elizabeth 58 TN > Rachel 18 > Martha 16 > Taylor 15 > James C. 5 > > James C. Kincade and his mother Barbara Kincade are buried next to each > other in Sheboss Cemetery, NW Maury Co. TN. According to this family > Samuel disappeared and Barbara never found out what happened to him. > > _________________________ > James Kincaid b c 1795-1797 KY, TN or NC d c1861 Lewis Co. TN m 1822-25 > TN Elizabeth Church dau. of Joshua and Priscilla Church. > > MARTHA ELEANDER KINCADE (see 1850 Lewis Co. TN census for James Kincaid & > Elizabeth) > > Record of Deaths published in the Maury County Historical Society, > republished in Historic Maury, 1987 included: Martha E. Pinion, white, > female, widowed, b. 9 June 1845, d. 18 May 1927, aged 81-11-9; dau. of > Jas. Kincaid and Elizabeth Church, both born North Carolina. Cause of > death was ureamia. Inf. given by Mrs. Joe Dunn, Mt. Pleasant, burial > Columbia. > > > > Son of unknown > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Vetting #11207 Group A set 1b to James Kincaid and Elizabeth Church Researcher, Sally Standley, is granddaughter of Lola Mae Kincade Gibson Participant is son of John Rufus Kincade and Geraldine Maley Proven by: Obituary in Ohio newspaper the "Plain Dealer" Feb. 22, 1994 for John Rufus Kincade naming participant as son and Geraldine as wife. Personal Knowledge: He is acknowledged by family as son of John Rufus Kincade. The family is large and have continued to keep in touch through generations. For many years a yearly fish fry and ice-cream social was held near Pocahontas, AR where the whole family gathered while Lola Mae and others shared family stories. Family photos of all generations back to James & Susan Runnion are identified and in the possession of the researcher. __________________________________________ John Rufus Kincade b 22 Jan 1904 Pocahontas, Randolph Co. AR d 21 Feb 1994 Lakewood, Ohio buried All Saints Cemetery, Lakeland, Ohio m Geraldine Maley Son of James Perry Kincaid and Georgeann Hawkins Proven by: Ohio Death Certificate for John Rufus Kincade lists above birth date and place and wife Geraldine Maley. Lists parents as James Perry Kincaid and Georgeann Hawkins. Probate Ct. Record #129 Randolph Co., Arkansas, Estate of Perry Kincaid, Administrator John Kincade. "That Whereas, J. Perry Kincaid was killed by electricity, near Pocahontas, Arkansas on or about the 23rd day of July, 1926, leaving surviving him his widow Birdie Kincade, and two sons, and one daughter, Hulett Kincade and John Kincade, and Lola Gibson, nee Kincade;" 1910 Randolph Co., AR Census Perry Kincade, 28 AR married 2nd/4 years ago Birdie, wife 32 Hulit, son 10 Lola, dau. 8 John, son 6 Pocahontas Star Herald, March 16, 1906 p. 1 "The following marriage license was issued since our last issue: J. P. Kincade to Mrs. Birdie Million" p. 40 "Perry Kincade and Mrs. Birdie Million were married at the home of Rev. M.D. Bowers Sunday at 3 o'clock p.m." Arkansas Bond and Marriage license issued to James P. Kincade and Georgia A. Hawkins April 1, 1899. Certificate of Marriage April 2, 1899. Certificate of Record April 24, 1899. Bond signed by John R. A. Kincade Personal knowledge Lola Mae Kincade Gibson acknowledged John Rufus as her brother and participant as his son. Lola said her mother's name was George Ann Hawkins who died when her clothes caught fire when Lola was 3 years old. Lola is buried in the same grave plot as George Ann in the Sutton Cemetary. Lola's death certificate lists James Perry Kincade and Georgann Hawkins as her parents, informant was her daughter (mother of researcher). Researcher's 1st plane trip was with Grandma Lola to see "Uncle John, Aunt Gerry and the kids". _______________________________ James Perry Kincade b 1880 d July 23, 1926 m 1st Georgia A. Hawkins April 2 1899, 2nd Birdie H. Carter Million Son of John Rufus Adams Kincade and Mary Elizabeth Sutton Proven by: Arkansas Bond and Marriage License for John R. A. Kincade and Mary E. Sutton, March 19, 1880: Certificate of Marriage 21 March 1880: Certificate of Record 27 March 1880. Bond signed by David Million and John R.A. Kincade. 1900 Census Pocahontas, Randolph, Arkansas John R. Kinsade 40 Ark Mary E. 38 George D 16 Martha M 13 Marion T 10 Luke 8 Fred 3 Ed 1/12 1930 Roanoke twp, Randolph Co. AR Census Mary E. Kincade 67 b AR parents b Tennessee, widow, married at 17 Hershel 9 grandson b AR parents b AR Thomas S Sutton 55 brother b AR Mary's obituary reads: Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Kincade, aged 84, lifetime resident of Pocahontas, died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Earl Dawson, March 15. She was born March 18, 1863, a daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. Frank Sutton. Her husband, John Kincade, preceded her in death several years ago. She was a member of the Free Will Baptist Church. Funeral services were conducted at Sutton church Sunday at 2:30 p.m., by the Revs. Ralph Staten and W. Harry Hunt. She is survived by four sons, Geo., Ed, Luke and Fred Kincade; her daughter and 37 grandchildren. Personal knowledge: Lola Kincade Gibson told stories about staying with Grandma Mary Elizabeth Sutton Kincaid. It was passed down in the family that Mary E. found a cure that works well for colitis in babies. Researcher's mother also stayed with her grandma Mary E. Sutton Kincade as a child during summer months. Researcher personally knows as cousins a son of George David Kincade, a granddaughter of Ed Kincade, and Hershel Kincade, son of Fred Kincade among others. The children in the 1900 census above were identified as Aunts and Uncles by Lola Mae. George David Kincaid told his son about walking to Black Rock with his father who worked there fixing tug boats and barges. They lived near the Black River. "Historical and Genealogical Abstracts from Randolph County Arkansas, Newspaper of 1903 Pocahontas Star Herald p. 42 "Perry Kincade and family visited his father in Black river bottoms Saturday night and Sunday" ____________________________ John Rufus Adams Kincade b 4 Jan 1859 AR d 8 Dec 1903 Pocahontas, Randoph Co. AR m 21 Mar 1880 Mary Elizabeth Sutton b 1863 dau of James F and Anne Sutton Son of James P. Kincaid and Susannah Runnion Proven by: 1880 Census Randolph Co. AR John Kingcad 21 AR parents b TN Mary 17 AR parents b TN (next door is James F. Sutton and Anne Sutton) 1870 Census Randolph Co. AR Demun twp Pocahontas post office J. W. Collier 53 NC Susannah 41 TN V. Collier 6 TN (Victoria) J.H. Kincaid 15 TN (note this should be G. H.) Eliza Kincaid 12 TN JOHN Kincaid 11 TN W.H. Collier 12 TN J.E. Collier 3 AR Randolph Co. AR Marriage Record James W. Collier to Susan Kingkade filed Nov 18, 1862. Marriage Record 27th day of Nov 1862. Certificate of Record 28th day of Nov 1862 Randolph Co. AR tax lists. 1854 J.P. Kincade listed but has no assessment. 1861 J.P. Kincade paid taxes on 120a 1862 Susan Kincade paid taxes on 120a. J.P. is not on list 1860 Census Randolph Co. AR Roanoke Twp Blacks Ferry post office (Extra census info will be needed in next link. Placed here to keep 1860 AR census together in order to show locational relationship) #1016 Robert J. Newsom 43 TN Mill Right Elizabeth 22 TN Jerome W 5 TN Margaret 4 TN James 3 TN Amanda 1 TN #1018 James Kinkade 38 TN carpenter Susan 26 TN Lucinda 9 TN George H. 7 TN #1019 James F(rank). Sutton 31 TN Anne 28 TN Lucile 8 TN Wm A. 6 TN George W 5 TN Francis M 2 TN 1860 Lawrence Co. AR Census (borders Randolph Co. near Blackrock) #873 (note Samuel is actually last name in #872 but 1st name in #873 is 5 yr old female with last name of previous family) Samuel B Kincade 27 TN Jane 39 Rufus 22 TN Mary A 18 James R 7 William G 7 Elizabeth J 1 Samuel B Kincade married Jane Maxwell 22 Apr 1857 Lawrence Co. AR. No divorce record from Barbara (see below) has been found. Samuel B Kinkade and Rufus A Kinkade enlisted in the Confederate army in Pocahontas, AR. Samuel died May 20, 1862. Probate records list his heirs as James R and William G Maxwell and Elizabeth J. Kinkade. "Father and Mother of said minors are both deceased." Letter written Oct 26, 1883 by "Nannie" Paddock of San Francisco to cousin "Ellen" in Arkansas. Nannie is Amanda Newsom above. Ellen is Lucinda Kincade Million, dau of Susan Runnion Kincade Collier. Nannie asks for news about the family including Aunt Susan, cousin Henry, cousin George Henry, cousin Johnny, "Vick" and Uncle Rufus. She mentions Mother, sister Margery, and brother Jerome. (Explanation of relationships for above) ______________________________ James Perry b c1828 TN d 1861-2 Pocahontas, Randolph Co. AR m June 8, 1850 Lewis Co. TN Susannah Runnion dau of Thomas & Parthena Runnion. Son of James Kincaid and Elizabeth Church Marriage book Lewis Co. TN James P. Kincaid and Susannah Runnion 8 June 1850 no return filed Elizabeth A Kincaid and Robert Joe Newsom 17 Jan 1853 Samuel B Kincaid and Barbary Runnions 16 April 1853 Alexander Kincade sold 174+acres in Lewis Co.TN to Robert J. Newsom 14 July 1853. Property included a mill. No explanation of how 21 yr old Alexander acquired the property. 1850 Census Lewis Co. TN Civil Dist #5 August 29 James Kincade 53 cabinet maker KY Elizabeth 45 TN James P 22 cabinet maker TN Alexander 18 cabinet maker TN Samuel B 17 cabinet maker TN Elizabeth A 15 TN Rufus A 13 TN Sarah P 11 TN Rachel C 8 TN Martha E 4 TN William L (sic T). 1 TN 1850 Census Lewis Co. TN Civil Dist #3 Sept 1850 #329 Thomas Runyan 74 Parthenia 50 Barbary 16 Nancy 7 Dorathy 3 #330 Winny Runyan 26 F TN John McHenry Runyan 2 TN Susanah Runyan 17 TN Lucinda Runyan 2/12 TN In 1869 Winny Runyan signed a deposition presented in court that she had lived in Lewis Co. since it was formed "I have never been married. I have five children." Barbara Kincaid is called as witness and did not come in the same court case. 1860 Census Lewis Co. TN #25 Winney Runnions 36 Jane 17 John M 12 Thomas 10 Joseph 5 James P 3 Mary J 7/12 William A 7/12 #27 Thomas Runnions 77 Parthena 60 Barbara 25 Sarah 12 Mary 9 John 8/12 #29 James Kingkaid 65 TN (ditto mark runs down the page) Elizabeth 58 TN Rachel 18 Martha 16 Taylor 15 James C. 5 James C. Kincade and his mother Barbara Kincade are buried next to each other in Sheboss Cemetery, NW Maury Co. TN. According to this family Samuel disappeared and Barbara never found out what happened to him. _________________________ James Kincaid b c 1795-1797 KY, TN or NC d c1861 Lewis Co. TN m 1822-25 TN Elizabeth Church dau. of Joshua and Priscilla Church. MARTHA ELEANDER KINCADE (see 1850 Lewis Co. TN census for James Kincaid & Elizabeth) Record of Deaths published in the Maury County Historical Society, republished in Historic Maury, 1987 included: Martha E. Pinion, white, female, widowed, b. 9 June 1845, d. 18 May 1927, aged 81-11-9; dau. of Jas. Kincaid and Elizabeth Church, both born North Carolina. Cause of death was ureamia. Inf. given by Mrs. Joe Dunn, Mt. Pleasant, burial Columbia. Son of unknown

Will of Joseph Milstead, Sr. of Amherst County, VA Benedicta/Benedictor Davis was named as one of his daughters. The Higgenbotham witnesses are interesting also. More about that later. They may be related to Joseph's son-in-law William Davis through William's mother. Will of Joseph Milstead, Sr. Amherst Co., Virginia In the name of God, I, Joseph Milstead of Amherst County, being in a low state of health and knowing the uncertainty of life but being in sound mind and memory do constitute this my last will and testament which is as followeth - viz Item- It is my desire that all my just debts to be paid and my body decently buried. Item- I leave to my wife Rebecca Milstead all my estate both real (he forgot to write "and personal")during her life. Item - After the death of my beloved wife, I leave to my son Joseph Milstead, all my estate both real and personal, that I possess. Item- To my son William Milstead I leave one bed to be at the disposal of his wife Betty Milstead. Item- To Aaron Milstead I leave five shillings sterling. Item- To my son Zeales (Zealous) I leave five shillings sterling. Item- To my beloved daughter Elizabeth Veal I leave five shillings sterling. Item- To my beloved daughter Benedictor Davis I leave five shillings sterling. Item- To my daughter Patty Veal I leave five shillings sterling. Item- To my beloved daughter Milley Brown I leave five shillings sterling. Item- To my beloved daughter Jiney Veal I leave five shillings sterling. I appoint my friend Joseph Higginbotham, Joseph Milstead and Benjamin Higginbotham executors to this my last will and testament given under my hand this __day of April, one thousand eight hundred and three. Joseph X Milstead Test- John Devashier Randal(Randolph)Snead Daniel Shrader At a court held for Amherst County on the 18th of July 1803, this last will and testament of Joseph Milstead was presented in court proven by the oaths of John C. Devashier, Randolph Snead and Daniel Shrader subscribing witnesses....and Benjamin Higginbotham, Joseph Milstead, two of the executors mentioned...came into court... Probate records for Joseph Milstead, Sr. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lksstarr/reports/Joseph%20Milstead%20probate.rtf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:44 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Thomas Kincaid /Polly Davis--parents of Polly Davis > It looks like the parents of the Polly Davis who married Thomas Kincaid, > 1815 in Greenbrier County, have been identified using the RW pension > records of the William Davis who married Benedicta Milstead in 1787 in > Amherst County, VA. Benedicta was the daughter of Joseph Milstead and his > wife Rebecca, her maiden name unknown. The men who wrote letters and are > named in these records give us a better understanding of the families of > Amherst and Fayette Counties and how they were connected. Still more > research needs to be done to identify the Davis connections correctly, as > it seems that the Peter Davis who married Susan Meadows is getting most of > the credit as the main Davis ancestor, when it should be William & > Benedicta > > This William Davis, father of Polly Davis, died on January 20, 1846 in > Fayette County, VA (now WV) and his declaration to obtain the benefit of > the act of Congress of June 7th, 1832 was dated July 15, 1833 in which he > said that he 77 years of age (b. about 1756). This was filed in Fayette > County. > > William Davis's widow Benedicta filed her declaration in order to obtain > the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th July 1838 entitled "An Act > granting half pay and pensions to certain widows". > > State of Virginia, Fayette County > On this Sixteenth day of November 1848 personally appeared before the > County Court of Fayette County, VA Benedicta Davis a resident of _____ in > the County of Fayette, VA aged, Seventy eight years....That she is the > widow of William Davis who was a private in the War of the Revolution... > > This gives us 1770 as the year of birth for Benedicta Davis. > > ***************************** > > One of the letters in the RW file of William Davis was from Waller > Sandidge of Amherst County. He gave four of the children of William and > Benedicta that he recalled: Betsey, Polly, Nancy and William. > > "Of the County of Amherst and state of VA. The affidavit of Waller > Sandidge of lawful age made this second day of April, 1849, after being > duly sworn according to law, aff... and saith that he is near about > seventy-four years of age, that when a boy of about twelve or thirteen > years old, he was at the marriage of William Davis and Benedicta Milstead, > of the said county. They were married by Benjamin Coleman, a clergyman of > the Baptist denomination, that there was a great contrast in the ages of > William Davis and his wife at the time of their marriage, he was called > old Billy Davis, and this affiant believes his wife not to have been more > than sixteen or seventeen years old, and that they lived together as man > and wife many years and had many children that he now recollects the names > of several of them, viz: Betsey, Polly, Nancy and William, and that he > understood and believes they went from this County to and settled in > Greenbrier County of this state. Given under my hand! > the day and year first above written. > > Waller Sandidge > > *** > > I, Ro. H. Carter of the county of Amherst and state of VA do hereby > certify that I was well acquainted with William Davis and his wife, who > was a Miss Milstead, while they lived in said county, and that I was at > their house and saw them both living together as man and wife, in the > County of Greenbrier in the year 1819. Given under my hand this 2nd day > of April 1849. > > Robt H. Carter > > Amherst County, to wit: > The above affidavit and certificate were both subscribed and sworn to > before me a justice of the peace for this county aforesaid on this the 2nd > day of April, 1849. > Joseph R. Carter, J.P. > > State of Virginia, Amherst County, Sct. > I Samuel M. Garland, Clerk of the County Court of Amherst in the State of > Virginia do hereby certify that Joseph R. Carter who hath given the above > certificate is a Justice of the Peace in and for the said County, duly > commissioned & qualified as such and that full faith and credit is and > ought to be given to all of his acts as Such > and that the foregoing signature purporting to be his is genuine. In > Testimony whereof I have herein and set my hand and and where is affixed > by Seal of office this seventh day of April, one Thousand eight hundred > forty nine. > > Saml M. Garland, Clk > Amherst County Ct. > > One of the supporting letters for William Davis' pension application came > from a Henry Payton of Cabell County, VA. > > Cabell County to wit: > This day Henry Payton, Snr. personally appeared before Elisha McComas a > Justice of the peace in and for said County and made oath that in the year > of 1779 that William Davis of Fayette County and State of Virginia served > a tour of duty in the Indian War under the command of Capt. John Paxton > and Colonel George Skilrun and also that the said William Davis served a > tour of duty in the Revolutionary War in the year of 1781 under the > command of Capt. James Franklin and Capt. James Dillard, that he was > drafted in Amherst County in the State of Virginia and he was marched to > Gilford C.H. in the State of North Carolina where he joined the army > commanded by General Greene and that to the best of his recollection he > served two more tours in the Revolutionary War, but that he was not with > him only in 1777 in where we were stationed at Point Pleasant at the mouth > of the Great Kanhawa River and in 1781 at or near gilford Court House > State of North Carolina. Given under my hand this 5th! > day of May 1854. Elisha McComas J.P. for C. Cty;, vA > > > >>From marriage bonds of Greenbrier County: > Bond: Dated Jan. 7, 1815 for Thomas Kincaid and Polly Davis >> Signed by Thomas Kincaid and William Davis >> >> Marriage performed Jan 10, 1815 by Jofeph Frye >> >> Permission for my son Thomas licenace for him and Polly Davis to get >> married >> Jan. 6, 1815. >> Signed by: Samuel Kinkead >> Test: John Kinkead and Willian Davis > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It looks like the parents of the Polly Davis who married Thomas Kincaid, 1815 in Greenbrier County, have been identified using the RW pension records of the William Davis who married Benedicta Milstead in 1787 in Amherst County, VA. Benedicta was the daughter of Joseph Milstead and his wife Rebecca, her maiden name unknown. The men who wrote letters and are named in these records give us a better understanding of the families of Amherst and Fayette Counties and how they were connected. Still more research needs to be done to identify the Davis connections correctly, as it seems that the Peter Davis who married Susan Meadows is getting most of the credit as the main Davis ancestor, when it should be William & Benedicta This William Davis, father of Polly Davis, died on January 20, 1846 in Fayette County, VA (now WV) and his declaration to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress of June 7th, 1832 was dated July 15, 1833 in which he said that he 77 years of age (b. about 1756). This was filed in Fayette County. William Davis's widow Benedicta filed her declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th July 1838 entitled "An Act granting half pay and pensions to certain widows". State of Virginia, Fayette County On this Sixteenth day of November 1848 personally appeared before the County Court of Fayette County, VA Benedicta Davis a resident of _____ in the County of Fayette, VA aged, Seventy eight years....That she is the widow of William Davis who was a private in the War of the Revolution... This gives us 1770 as the year of birth for Benedicta Davis. ***************************** One of the letters in the RW file of William Davis was from Waller Sandidge of Amherst County. He gave four of the children of William and Benedicta that he recalled: Betsey, Polly, Nancy and William. "Of the County of Amherst and state of VA. The affidavit of Waller Sandidge of lawful age made this second day of April, 1849, after being duly sworn according to law, aff... and saith that he is near about seventy-four years of age, that when a boy of about twelve or thirteen years old, he was at the marriage of William Davis and Benedicta Milstead, of the said county. They were married by Benjamin Coleman, a clergyman of the Baptist denomination, that there was a great contrast in the ages of William Davis and his wife at the time of their marriage, he was called old Billy Davis, and this affiant believes his wife not to have been more than sixteen or seventeen years old, and that they lived together as man and wife many years and had many children that he now recollects the names of several of them, viz: Betsey, Polly, Nancy and William, and that he understood and believes they went from this County to and settled in Greenbrier County of this state. Given under my hand the day and year first above written. Waller Sandidge *** I, Ro. H. Carter of the county of Amherst and state of VA do hereby certify that I was well acquainted with William Davis and his wife, who was a Miss Milstead, while they lived in said county, and that I was at their house and saw them both living together as man and wife, in the County of Greenbrier in the year 1819. Given under my hand this 2nd day of April 1849. Robt H. Carter Amherst County, to wit: The above affidavit and certificate were both subscribed and sworn to before me a justice of the peace for this county aforesaid on this the 2nd day of April, 1849. Joseph R. Carter, J.P. State of Virginia, Amherst County, Sct. I Samuel M. Garland, Clerk of the County Court of Amherst in the State of Virginia do hereby certify that Joseph R. Carter who hath given the above certificate is a Justice of the Peace in and for the said County, duly commissioned & qualified as such and that full faith and credit is and ought to be given to all of his acts as Such and that the foregoing signature purporting to be his is genuine. In Testimony whereof I have herein and set my hand and and where is affixed by Seal of office this seventh day of April, one Thousand eight hundred forty nine. Saml M. Garland, Clk Amherst County Ct. One of the supporting letters for William Davis' pension application came from a Henry Payton of Cabell County, VA. Cabell County to wit: This day Henry Payton, Snr. personally appeared before Elisha McComas a Justice of the peace in and for said County and made oath that in the year of 1779 that William Davis of Fayette County and State of Virginia served a tour of duty in the Indian War under the command of Capt. John Paxton and Colonel George Skilrun and also that the said William Davis served a tour of duty in the Revolutionary War in the year of 1781 under the command of Capt. James Franklin and Capt. James Dillard, that he was drafted in Amherst County in the State of Virginia and he was marched to Gilford C.H. in the State of North Carolina where he joined the army commanded by General Greene and that to the best of his recollection he served two more tours in the Revolutionary War, but that he was not with him only in 1777 in where we were stationed at Point Pleasant at the mouth of the Great Kanhawa River and in 1781 at or near gilford Court House State of North Carolina. Given under my hand this 5th day of May 1854. Elisha McComas J.P. for C. Cty;, vA >From marriage bonds of Greenbrier County: Bond: Dated Jan. 7, 1815 for Thomas Kincaid and Polly Davis > Signed by Thomas Kincaid and William Davis > > Marriage performed Jan 10, 1815 by Jofeph Frye > > Permission for my son Thomas licenace for him and Polly Davis to get > married > Jan. 6, 1815. > Signed by: Samuel Kinkead > Test: John Kinkead and Willian Davis

Dear Kincaid listers, I have found another citation to John Kincaid in the Donation Land Patents: 1806 John Kincaid, on list of Claims to Donation Lands, July 12, 1806.            Land Office, July 12, 1806           I George Duffield, Comptroller General of the State of Pennsylvania do hereby enter in the office of the                     Secretary  of the Land Offices a caveat against the opening of patents for Donation Lands in the names of             the persons  herein before mentioned or their assigns, the Commonwealth having a lien on the lands                 aforesaid as the estate  of  John Nicholson, former Comptroller General of the Commonwealth have                     opportunity to be heard.           Andrew Elliott, Secy of the Land Office of Penn.     George Duffield.   Pennsylvania State Archives, Records of the Land Office,MISCELLANEOUS DONATION LAND DOCUMENTS, LISTS AND RELATED FILES, 1786-1839, pp. 45, 50, 53. It appears that there were improprieties, unfairness or outright illegalities in the distribution and or assignments of donation lands that occupied the Pennsylvania Land Office for a considerable period of time after the Revolutionary War.  It appears that the above John Kincaid received his patent but that Duffield wanted the opening for settlement or sale to be delayed until the subscriber's had an opportunity to be heard, because of the lien against them by the Commonwealth as the estate of John Nicholson.  It also appears that these patents or assignments had to do with the Pennsylvania Land Company as well.  I can't help but think that this is my John Kinkead of Union Township, Erie County, PA and that he served with his brother, Andrew Kincaid in Capt. William Wilson's Company, 1st Penn. Regiment Continental Line.  I went through all of the miscellaneous donation land documents to find this.  Well, worth it though. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

We have not found a marriage bond for Thomas/Mary Withrow. We also have seen no evidence that the Thomas of Lewis Co. was married to a Mary Withrow. Thomas of Lewis Co.'s death information does indicate that he was a son of an "S" and born in Greenbrier Co. which is why he probably became attached to Samuel of the 3 wives. In 1850 Thomas of Lewis Co. says he is 49. (Thomas/Polly m 1815 with parental permission. He first appears on tax lists under his own name (designated as son of Sam) in 1815. Census info suggests a birthdate1795-99. 1795 is most reasonable). There are other Samuels in Greenbrier but some of them can be eliminated immediately. The best bet is Samuel, son of Samuel/Margaret Clark of Anthony Creek who appears on tax lists in 1802. If indeed this Thomas sired any children and is the son of this Samuel, their DNA would be Group C and vastly different then any of the Fayette Co. Kincaids who are all Group A. If the children of Lucinda Claypool are not his they will not match any Kincaid DNA) There were Withrows associated with James/Rosanna Baird who seems to be closely associated with George/Margaret Rennick who is closely associated with Samuel/Margaret Clark. The apparent connection between George W/Mary Campbell and Thomas/Isabella Campbell may be because they married sisters. There is a good possibility that Thomas/Isabella is the son of Thomas/Polly Davis as he did buy land which Thomas, son of Samuel, owned at one time. It may be worth your time to try tracking down a male descendent of Thomas/Isabella/Eliza. This may not be as hard as it seems. In the 1880 census he is listed with sons John M. age 20, Willie age 16, A. Judson age 4. In 1870 there are males Daniel G. 19, Curtis M 17, and George V. 13 in his household as well as John M and Willie. You should be able to follow these males using the 1900-1930 censuses. Some of them and their sons should be on the Social Security Death index which would lead you to obits which may lead you to living males. George Vanner died in 1952. In 1880 he has one daughter. Curtis m Mary R. Sims and died prior 1932. In 1880 he has son Lonzo 2 in his household. Daniel Augsustus m Susie Kious. He has only daughters in his 1880 household. He was still alive in 1933 when she died. John Morton is listed in the 1900 census with sons George M 16, Auguster 12, Earnest 6, and John newborn. Toney have you done any further tracking of this family? Good luck, Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" <carol60@mindspring.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > Sue > OH my goodness > Back to square one..almost. I had a feeling i was on the wrong track but i > wasn't sure .You explained it better than i have seen. I didin't realize > there were 2 Mary's (Polly)same age. Do you know where or how Mary Withrow > fits into the picture if at all. > > My line is through women sooo that's not an option. Any test would have to > come from another one of Thomas' and Isabella children who ever they may > be > or desendents of Thomas and Eliza Townsend(2nd wife) > > Thank you for sitting me straight > > Will be off line for awhile.Will check archives soon > > Carol > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > > >> Carol, Forget the infamous Mt Tom ran off with Lucinda Claypool story. >> Until >> we can get a DNA sample from this "second" family, there is nothing >> beyond >> the legend to suggest that Thomas/Polly Davis of Fayette Co. WVA was the >> same Thomas who shows up with Lucinda Claypool in his household in Lewis >> Co. >> WVA in 1850. Lucinda says that she is "daughter" to this Thomas when >> reporting his death. The ages of the 2 Thomases do not match. The Lewis >> Co. >> Thomas has a Mary who is of an age to be his wife in 1850, while your >> Thomas/Isabella has a Mary, widow, in his household in 1850 who is of an >> age >> to be his mother. The same woman would not be in 2 places at one time. >> >> The only proven son of Thomas/Polly Davis is William/Harriet/Susan. >> #33001 >> in the DNA project is vetted to Thomas/Polly through William who says his >> parents are Thomas Kincaid & Polly Davis on his marriage record to Susan. >> DNA #101753 has a good case to Harvey and is lacking just a bit of >> evidence >> to connect to Thomas/Polly. #33001 has a mutation which matches other >> Kincaids that #101753 does not. This mutation may have occured downline >> from >> Thomas/Polly. DNA from a descendent of George W/Mary Campbell (#49289) >> does >> not match #33001 or #101753. It is unlikely (but not impossible) that his >> mutation occured downline from other Kincaids who share the mutation. If >> it >> is at all possible a DNA sample from your line of Thomas/Isabella >> Campbell >> would help clear up whether he is a possible son of Thomas/Polly or not. >> Certainly his paper trail would indicate that he is but the Fayette area >> is >> quite confusing and he always refers to his mother as Mary while William >> and >> Harvey always refer to her as Polly. Since Polly is a nickname for Mary, >> the >> different names are not a big hinderance but should be addressed. >> >> Thomas/Polly Davis looks from paperwork like he is the son of Samuel/Mary >> Tincher/Hilda Osborne/Diana Ewing. Who looks from paperwork like he is >> the >> son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. His marriage bonds state he is son of a >> Samuel >> and his age and location suggest he is the Thomas mentioned as son of >> Samuel >> of the 3 wives mentioned in court proceedings. By the way, the existance >> of >> a second Thomas, son of Samuel of the 3 wives is also in question. >> Thomas/Sarah is named in the deed partioning the land of Samuel of the 3 >> wives but the informant on Sarah's death certificate indicates that it is >> she who is the daughter of Thomas/Hilda Osbourne and heir of Samuel >> rather >> than this Thomas. >> >> Again, the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids are confusing and a DNA sample >> from >> your line would be most welcome. Much has been discussed on list about >> this >> family. Now that the archives are functional again it might be of benefit >> to >> you to review all posts about the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carol" <carol60@mindspring.com> >> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies >> >> >>> Dear list and Leslie >>> >>> In reply to an old message >>> >>> IFFFF I'm right....i have George Washington Kincaid's parents as Thomas >>> Kincaid(the imfamous Mountain Tom who deserted his 1st wife,Mary(Polly) >>> Withrow) and ran off with a Lucinda Claypool). Mary was George W's >>> mother. >>> >>> If i have this all messed up, please let me know >>> >>> I have as Mt Tom's children with Mary >>> Thomas (my Line) >>> George Washington >>> William >>> Harvey >>> Andrew >>> Levi Lewis >>> Mary Catherine >>> Manser >>> >>> I have George Washington Kincaid's children >>> Rufus A >>> Sarah Martha >>> Isa Belle >>> Mary C >>> George William >>> Va Margaret >>> Daniel Thomas >>> Emily Frances >>> >>> Many thanks >>> Carol in Va >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Leslie McConachie" <lesliesc@earthlink.net> >>> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:03 PM >>> Subject: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies >>> >>> >>>> Hello to each of you, >>>> >>>> >>>> NEW RESULTS >>>> >>>> Yesterday we got new DNA results on samples 48219 and 35195. (These >>>> were >>>> even 10 days early!) >>>> >>>> >>>> 35195 is a DNA sample for Bill Kincaid. It comes down from >>>> Samuel >>>> Kincaid of early Augusta Co. though his son Samuel Kincaid/wife >>>> Margaret >>>> Clark. >>>> This sample is now listed with Group C, Set 2, and suggests a >>>> close relationship between Samuel Kincaid and Ruth Cherecwich's >>>> favorite >>>> ancestor George Kincaid/Elizabeth Dean. >>>> Perhaps Samuel and George are brothers, perhaps not, but they >>>> do >>>> fall into the same general age range and were in Augusta Co., VA, in >>>> the >>>> mid-1700s. They are among our earliest Kincaids. >>>> This may help explain the Group C results for ancestors Isaiah >>>> Kincaid (1262) and Robert L. Kincaid (2305) who both were born in VA >>>> but >>>> first surface in OH. >>>> Bill has a nice website where his ancestry is outlined at >>>> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4756/ >>>> >>>> >>>> 48219 is a DNA sample coming down from George Washington >>>> Kincaid/Mary Catherine Campbell of Fayette and Roane Cos., WV. George >>>> Washington Kincaid lived 1818-1898. >>>> This one fell into Group A, Set 2, and is the first instance of >>>> this DNA in Virginia, for many of the members of that group and set go >>>> back to PA. >>>> According to the results, this man has no identified close >>>> relatives in VA. We obviously need more DNA samples from identified >>>> ancestors in this region, or listmember Bob Arnott will never get to go >>>> to >>>> an extended family reunion. Bob's ancestor George Washington Kincaid >>>> was >>>> born in 1818 and died in 1898. By the 1880 census of Roane Co., WV, >>>> both >>>> of his parents were born in VA. We're now looking for a Kincaid papa >>>> who >>>> was born in Virginia at some point before 1800. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> One of the things this does is tell all of us that we've got more >>>> genetic >>>> diversity in Virginia than we might have thought. Sue has already >>>> pointed >>>> out that there could well have been several waves of Kincaid >>>> immigration >>>> into VA. These "new" DNA lineages could have been in PA or elsewhere >>>> for >>>> a >>>> time, or they could have come more directly from Europe. >>>> >>>> >>>> UPHEAVAL IN FAYETTE CO., WV >>>> >>>> The new results rule out the possibility that Toney Kincaid (33001 - >>>> Group >>>> A, Set 3) could descend from the Samuel Kincaids of Anthony Creek >>>> (49351 - >>>> Group C, Set 2). Toney's lineage has a marriage bond in Greenbrier Co. >>>> in >>>> 1815 on which a Samuel Kincaid gives permission for "my son" Thomas to >>>> marry Polly Davis. The only remaining Samuel in Greenbrier about whom >>>> we >>>> have any knowledge and who is old enough to be the father of Thomas >>>> seems >>>> to be the Samuel Kincaid who married Mary Tincher, Hulda Osborn, and >>>> Diana >>>> Ewing. >>>> >>>> Whoa, we might have expected any DNA coming down from marriage-minded >>>> Samuel to fall into Group A, Set 1. This puts Fayette Co., WV, into a >>>> snarl. >>>> >>>> It has been thought by Kincaid researchers for a very long time that >>>> Samuel was probably a brother to Rev.War pensioner John >>>> Kincaid/Elizabeth >>>> Hannah Gillespie (30078 and 36856 - DNA results coming down from James >>>> Gillespie Kincaid/Mary Tritt). >>>> >>>> Previous scenarios have theorized that both Samuel and Rev War John >>>> were >>>> sons to Thomas Kincaid/Hannah Tincher. But if Toney is Set 3, and 30078 >>>> and 36856 are Set 1, the brother theory is out the window. We need to >>>> re-analyze the records AND get some different DNA samples out of early >>>> Virginia/West Virginia ancestors. >>>> >>>> To this is added the point that George Washington Kincaid/Mary >>>> Catherine >>>> Campbell (who married in Fayette Co. in 1841) have an entirely >>>> different >>>> set of DNA results than we have previously found in the area, so now we >>>> have a burning need to find a father for him. >>>> >>>> Fayette Co. turns out to be a melting pot of many different Kincaid >>>> lines. >>>> Research there should proceed with caution. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> UPCOMING RESULTS** >>>> >>>> 22 Feb for 37-marker upgrades >>>> 1257 Archibald Kincaid/Rachel >>>> Hicklin >>>> of Augusta Co., VA >>>> >>>> 1 March for 37-marker upgrades >>>> 11207 James Kincade/Elizabeth Church >>>> of >>>> Franklin & Lewis Cos., TN >>>> 18496 James H. Kincaid/Caroline >>>> McKimsey >>>> of Bedford Co., TN & MO >>>> 47327 Ted Tomlinson of MI >>>> 5850 Arthur Perry Kincaid of IL >>>> 5806 Francis Kincaid/Isabella >>>> Markel >>>> of Tippecanoe, Benton and Warren Cos., IN >>>> >>>> 3 March for 12 markers >>>> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our >>>> first >>>> Maine Kincaid line >>>> >>>> 10 March for 12 markers >>>> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >>>> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >>>> >>>> 15 March for 37-marker upgrade >>>> 44937 Robert Kincaid/Margaret Doherty >>>> of >>>> Alleghany Co., PA >>>> >>>> 17 March for 25 & 37 markers >>>> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our >>>> first >>>> Maine Kincaid line >>>> >>>> 24 March for 25 & 37 markers >>>> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >>>> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >>>> >>>> About 1 April (no date set yet by FTDNA) (37 marker test) >>>> 51828 L.C. Kincaid - descendant of >>>> David >>>> Kincaid/Lucy Riggins of Maury Co., TN >>>> >>>> >>>> ** The extended 37-marker results for 15779 (Group A, Set 3), on John >>>> Adams Kincaid of Murray Co., GA, will not be coming back as scheduled >>>> on >>>> Feb 22. The lab was not able to culture the existing sample and sent >>>> out >>>> a >>>> kit for a new sample. The original sample came from the uncle of Joel >>>> Warren, but the gentleman in question is now deceased. FTDNA says it >>>> will >>>> try testing the first sample again, but in case that is not possible, >>>> we're looking for the nearest living Kincaid relative of that lineage >>>> to >>>> do a new test. >>>> >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Will the following listmembers please contact me in a private message, >>>> for >>>> I have some sort of housekeeping details to clear up with each of you: >>>> >>>> Ruth Cherecwich >>>> Deanne Kincaid >>>> Carol Roy >>>> Brenda Beatty >>>> Bill Kincaid whk925@comcast.net >>>> Sue Stewart >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> DESPERATE PLEA >>>> >>>> I'll say it once again. We must add more DNA participants. We do not >>>> need >>>> new samples from ancestors whose DNA has already been typed, but we do >>>> need new participants whose lineage is in question. >>>> >>>> You can help in 2 ways. >>>> >>>> 1. You can take it upon yourselves to locate living Kincaid males >>>> whose >>>> DNA lineage might add to our knowledge. >>>> >>>> 2. You can donate all or part of the cost of a DNA test, for many >>>> living >>>> Kincaid males have no interest in family history and wouldn't think to >>>> join the project at any cost. >>>> >>>> You're not safe from being dunned for a donation if you're a male whose >>>> surname isn't Kincaid or if you're female. You should consider making a >>>> donation so that an appropriate DNA test for your problem ancestor can >>>> be >>>> covered. >>>> >>>> If you won't help, who will? >>>> >>>> Leslie >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== >>>> THE KINCAID RESEARCHER >>>> www.alphalink.com.au/~kincaid >>>> >>>> >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue OH my goodness Back to square one..almost. I had a feeling i was on the wrong track but i wasn't sure .You explained it better than i have seen. I didin't realize there were 2 Mary's (Polly)same age. Do you know where or how Mary Withrow fits into the picture if at all. My line is through women sooo that's not an option. Any test would have to come from another one of Thomas' and Isabella children who ever they may be or desendents of Thomas and Eliza Townsend(2nd wife) Thank you for sitting me straight Will be off line for awhile.Will check archives soon Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > Carol, Forget the infamous Mt Tom ran off with Lucinda Claypool story. > Until > we can get a DNA sample from this "second" family, there is nothing beyond > the legend to suggest that Thomas/Polly Davis of Fayette Co. WVA was the > same Thomas who shows up with Lucinda Claypool in his household in Lewis > Co. > WVA in 1850. Lucinda says that she is "daughter" to this Thomas when > reporting his death. The ages of the 2 Thomases do not match. The Lewis > Co. > Thomas has a Mary who is of an age to be his wife in 1850, while your > Thomas/Isabella has a Mary, widow, in his household in 1850 who is of an > age > to be his mother. The same woman would not be in 2 places at one time. > > The only proven son of Thomas/Polly Davis is William/Harriet/Susan. #33001 > in the DNA project is vetted to Thomas/Polly through William who says his > parents are Thomas Kincaid & Polly Davis on his marriage record to Susan. > DNA #101753 has a good case to Harvey and is lacking just a bit of > evidence > to connect to Thomas/Polly. #33001 has a mutation which matches other > Kincaids that #101753 does not. This mutation may have occured downline > from > Thomas/Polly. DNA from a descendent of George W/Mary Campbell (#49289) > does > not match #33001 or #101753. It is unlikely (but not impossible) that his > mutation occured downline from other Kincaids who share the mutation. If > it > is at all possible a DNA sample from your line of Thomas/Isabella Campbell > would help clear up whether he is a possible son of Thomas/Polly or not. > Certainly his paper trail would indicate that he is but the Fayette area > is > quite confusing and he always refers to his mother as Mary while William > and > Harvey always refer to her as Polly. Since Polly is a nickname for Mary, > the > different names are not a big hinderance but should be addressed. > > Thomas/Polly Davis looks from paperwork like he is the son of Samuel/Mary > Tincher/Hilda Osborne/Diana Ewing. Who looks from paperwork like he is the > son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. His marriage bonds state he is son of a > Samuel > and his age and location suggest he is the Thomas mentioned as son of > Samuel > of the 3 wives mentioned in court proceedings. By the way, the existance > of > a second Thomas, son of Samuel of the 3 wives is also in question. > Thomas/Sarah is named in the deed partioning the land of Samuel of the 3 > wives but the informant on Sarah's death certificate indicates that it is > she who is the daughter of Thomas/Hilda Osbourne and heir of Samuel rather > than this Thomas. > > Again, the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids are confusing and a DNA sample from > your line would be most welcome. Much has been discussed on list about > this > family. Now that the archives are functional again it might be of benefit > to > you to review all posts about the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol" <carol60@mindspring.com> > To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:05 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > > >> Dear list and Leslie >> >> In reply to an old message >> >> IFFFF I'm right....i have George Washington Kincaid's parents as Thomas >> Kincaid(the imfamous Mountain Tom who deserted his 1st wife,Mary(Polly) >> Withrow) and ran off with a Lucinda Claypool). Mary was George W's >> mother. >> >> If i have this all messed up, please let me know >> >> I have as Mt Tom's children with Mary >> Thomas (my Line) >> George Washington >> William >> Harvey >> Andrew >> Levi Lewis >> Mary Catherine >> Manser >> >> I have George Washington Kincaid's children >> Rufus A >> Sarah Martha >> Isa Belle >> Mary C >> George William >> Va Margaret >> Daniel Thomas >> Emily Frances >> >> Many thanks >> Carol in Va >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Leslie McConachie" <lesliesc@earthlink.net> >> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:03 PM >> Subject: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies >> >> >>> Hello to each of you, >>> >>> >>> NEW RESULTS >>> >>> Yesterday we got new DNA results on samples 48219 and 35195. (These were >>> even 10 days early!) >>> >>> >>> 35195 is a DNA sample for Bill Kincaid. It comes down from >>> Samuel >>> Kincaid of early Augusta Co. though his son Samuel Kincaid/wife Margaret >>> Clark. >>> This sample is now listed with Group C, Set 2, and suggests a >>> close relationship between Samuel Kincaid and Ruth Cherecwich's favorite >>> ancestor George Kincaid/Elizabeth Dean. >>> Perhaps Samuel and George are brothers, perhaps not, but they do >>> fall into the same general age range and were in Augusta Co., VA, in the >>> mid-1700s. They are among our earliest Kincaids. >>> This may help explain the Group C results for ancestors Isaiah >>> Kincaid (1262) and Robert L. Kincaid (2305) who both were born in VA but >>> first surface in OH. >>> Bill has a nice website where his ancestry is outlined at >>> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4756/ >>> >>> >>> 48219 is a DNA sample coming down from George Washington >>> Kincaid/Mary Catherine Campbell of Fayette and Roane Cos., WV. George >>> Washington Kincaid lived 1818-1898. >>> This one fell into Group A, Set 2, and is the first instance of >>> this DNA in Virginia, for many of the members of that group and set go >>> back to PA. >>> According to the results, this man has no identified close >>> relatives in VA. We obviously need more DNA samples from identified >>> ancestors in this region, or listmember Bob Arnott will never get to go >>> to >>> an extended family reunion. Bob's ancestor George Washington Kincaid was >>> born in 1818 and died in 1898. By the 1880 census of Roane Co., WV, both >>> of his parents were born in VA. We're now looking for a Kincaid papa who >>> was born in Virginia at some point before 1800. >>> >>> _______________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> One of the things this does is tell all of us that we've got more >>> genetic >>> diversity in Virginia than we might have thought. Sue has already >>> pointed >>> out that there could well have been several waves of Kincaid immigration >>> into VA. These "new" DNA lineages could have been in PA or elsewhere for >>> a >>> time, or they could have come more directly from Europe. >>> >>> >>> UPHEAVAL IN FAYETTE CO., WV >>> >>> The new results rule out the possibility that Toney Kincaid (33001 - >>> Group >>> A, Set 3) could descend from the Samuel Kincaids of Anthony Creek >>> (49351 - >>> Group C, Set 2). Toney's lineage has a marriage bond in Greenbrier Co. >>> in >>> 1815 on which a Samuel Kincaid gives permission for "my son" Thomas to >>> marry Polly Davis. The only remaining Samuel in Greenbrier about whom we >>> have any knowledge and who is old enough to be the father of Thomas >>> seems >>> to be the Samuel Kincaid who married Mary Tincher, Hulda Osborn, and >>> Diana >>> Ewing. >>> >>> Whoa, we might have expected any DNA coming down from marriage-minded >>> Samuel to fall into Group A, Set 1. This puts Fayette Co., WV, into a >>> snarl. >>> >>> It has been thought by Kincaid researchers for a very long time that >>> Samuel was probably a brother to Rev.War pensioner John >>> Kincaid/Elizabeth >>> Hannah Gillespie (30078 and 36856 - DNA results coming down from James >>> Gillespie Kincaid/Mary Tritt). >>> >>> Previous scenarios have theorized that both Samuel and Rev War John were >>> sons to Thomas Kincaid/Hannah Tincher. But if Toney is Set 3, and 30078 >>> and 36856 are Set 1, the brother theory is out the window. We need to >>> re-analyze the records AND get some different DNA samples out of early >>> Virginia/West Virginia ancestors. >>> >>> To this is added the point that George Washington Kincaid/Mary Catherine >>> Campbell (who married in Fayette Co. in 1841) have an entirely different >>> set of DNA results than we have previously found in the area, so now we >>> have a burning need to find a father for him. >>> >>> Fayette Co. turns out to be a melting pot of many different Kincaid >>> lines. >>> Research there should proceed with caution. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> UPCOMING RESULTS** >>> >>> 22 Feb for 37-marker upgrades >>> 1257 Archibald Kincaid/Rachel Hicklin >>> of Augusta Co., VA >>> >>> 1 March for 37-marker upgrades >>> 11207 James Kincade/Elizabeth Church >>> of >>> Franklin & Lewis Cos., TN >>> 18496 James H. Kincaid/Caroline >>> McKimsey >>> of Bedford Co., TN & MO >>> 47327 Ted Tomlinson of MI >>> 5850 Arthur Perry Kincaid of IL >>> 5806 Francis Kincaid/Isabella Markel >>> of Tippecanoe, Benton and Warren Cos., IN >>> >>> 3 March for 12 markers >>> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our first >>> Maine Kincaid line >>> >>> 10 March for 12 markers >>> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >>> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >>> >>> 15 March for 37-marker upgrade >>> 44937 Robert Kincaid/Margaret Doherty >>> of >>> Alleghany Co., PA >>> >>> 17 March for 25 & 37 markers >>> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our first >>> Maine Kincaid line >>> >>> 24 March for 25 & 37 markers >>> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >>> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >>> >>> About 1 April (no date set yet by FTDNA) (37 marker test) >>> 51828 L.C. Kincaid - descendant of >>> David >>> Kincaid/Lucy Riggins of Maury Co., TN >>> >>> >>> ** The extended 37-marker results for 15779 (Group A, Set 3), on John >>> Adams Kincaid of Murray Co., GA, will not be coming back as scheduled on >>> Feb 22. The lab was not able to culture the existing sample and sent out >>> a >>> kit for a new sample. The original sample came from the uncle of Joel >>> Warren, but the gentleman in question is now deceased. FTDNA says it >>> will >>> try testing the first sample again, but in case that is not possible, >>> we're looking for the nearest living Kincaid relative of that lineage to >>> do a new test. >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Will the following listmembers please contact me in a private message, >>> for >>> I have some sort of housekeeping details to clear up with each of you: >>> >>> Ruth Cherecwich >>> Deanne Kincaid >>> Carol Roy >>> Brenda Beatty >>> Bill Kincaid whk925@comcast.net >>> Sue Stewart >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> DESPERATE PLEA >>> >>> I'll say it once again. We must add more DNA participants. We do not >>> need >>> new samples from ancestors whose DNA has already been typed, but we do >>> need new participants whose lineage is in question. >>> >>> You can help in 2 ways. >>> >>> 1. You can take it upon yourselves to locate living Kincaid males whose >>> DNA lineage might add to our knowledge. >>> >>> 2. You can donate all or part of the cost of a DNA test, for many >>> living >>> Kincaid males have no interest in family history and wouldn't think to >>> join the project at any cost. >>> >>> You're not safe from being dunned for a donation if you're a male whose >>> surname isn't Kincaid or if you're female. You should consider making a >>> donation so that an appropriate DNA test for your problem ancestor can >>> be >>> covered. >>> >>> If you won't help, who will? >>> >>> Leslie >>> >>> >>> ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== >>> THE KINCAID RESEARCHER >>> www.alphalink.com.au/~kincaid >>> >>> >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear list and Leslie In reply to an old message IFFFF I'm right....i have George Washington Kincaid's parents as Thomas Kincaid(the imfamous Mountain Tom who deserted his 1st wife,Mary(Polly) Withrow) and ran off with a Lucinda Claypool). Mary was George W's mother. If i have this all messed up, please let me know I have as Mt Tom's children with Mary Thomas (my Line) George Washington William Harvey Andrew Levi Lewis Mary Catherine Manser I have George Washington Kincaid's children Rufus A Sarah Martha Isa Belle Mary C George William Va Margaret Daniel Thomas Emily Frances Many thanks Carol in Va ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie McConachie" <lesliesc@earthlink.net> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:03 PM Subject: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > Hello to each of you, > > > NEW RESULTS > > Yesterday we got new DNA results on samples 48219 and 35195. (These were > even 10 days early!) > > > 35195 is a DNA sample for Bill Kincaid. It comes down from Samuel > Kincaid of early Augusta Co. though his son Samuel Kincaid/wife Margaret > Clark. > This sample is now listed with Group C, Set 2, and suggests a > close relationship between Samuel Kincaid and Ruth Cherecwich's favorite > ancestor George Kincaid/Elizabeth Dean. > Perhaps Samuel and George are brothers, perhaps not, but they do > fall into the same general age range and were in Augusta Co., VA, in the > mid-1700s. They are among our earliest Kincaids. > This may help explain the Group C results for ancestors Isaiah > Kincaid (1262) and Robert L. Kincaid (2305) who both were born in VA but > first surface in OH. > Bill has a nice website where his ancestry is outlined at > http://www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4756/ > > > 48219 is a DNA sample coming down from George Washington > Kincaid/Mary Catherine Campbell of Fayette and Roane Cos., WV. George > Washington Kincaid lived 1818-1898. > This one fell into Group A, Set 2, and is the first instance of > this DNA in Virginia, for many of the members of that group and set go > back to PA. > According to the results, this man has no identified close > relatives in VA. We obviously need more DNA samples from identified > ancestors in this region, or listmember Bob Arnott will never get to go to > an extended family reunion. Bob's ancestor George Washington Kincaid was > born in 1818 and died in 1898. By the 1880 census of Roane Co., WV, both > of his parents were born in VA. We're now looking for a Kincaid papa who > was born in Virginia at some point before 1800. > > _______________________________________________________ > > > One of the things this does is tell all of us that we've got more genetic > diversity in Virginia than we might have thought. Sue has already pointed > out that there could well have been several waves of Kincaid immigration > into VA. These "new" DNA lineages could have been in PA or elsewhere for a > time, or they could have come more directly from Europe. > > > UPHEAVAL IN FAYETTE CO., WV > > The new results rule out the possibility that Toney Kincaid (33001 - Group > A, Set 3) could descend from the Samuel Kincaids of Anthony Creek (49351 - > Group C, Set 2). Toney's lineage has a marriage bond in Greenbrier Co. in > 1815 on which a Samuel Kincaid gives permission for "my son" Thomas to > marry Polly Davis. The only remaining Samuel in Greenbrier about whom we > have any knowledge and who is old enough to be the father of Thomas seems > to be the Samuel Kincaid who married Mary Tincher, Hulda Osborn, and Diana > Ewing. > > Whoa, we might have expected any DNA coming down from marriage-minded > Samuel to fall into Group A, Set 1. This puts Fayette Co., WV, into a > snarl. > > It has been thought by Kincaid researchers for a very long time that > Samuel was probably a brother to Rev.War pensioner John Kincaid/Elizabeth > Hannah Gillespie (30078 and 36856 - DNA results coming down from James > Gillespie Kincaid/Mary Tritt). > > Previous scenarios have theorized that both Samuel and Rev War John were > sons to Thomas Kincaid/Hannah Tincher. But if Toney is Set 3, and 30078 > and 36856 are Set 1, the brother theory is out the window. We need to > re-analyze the records AND get some different DNA samples out of early > Virginia/West Virginia ancestors. > > To this is added the point that George Washington Kincaid/Mary Catherine > Campbell (who married in Fayette Co. in 1841) have an entirely different > set of DNA results than we have previously found in the area, so now we > have a burning need to find a father for him. > > Fayette Co. turns out to be a melting pot of many different Kincaid lines. > Research there should proceed with caution. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > UPCOMING RESULTS** > > 22 Feb for 37-marker upgrades > 1257 Archibald Kincaid/Rachel Hicklin > of Augusta Co., VA > > 1 March for 37-marker upgrades > 11207 James Kincade/Elizabeth Church of > Franklin & Lewis Cos., TN > 18496 James H. Kincaid/Caroline McKimsey > of Bedford Co., TN & MO > 47327 Ted Tomlinson of MI > 5850 Arthur Perry Kincaid of IL > 5806 Francis Kincaid/Isabella Markel > of Tippecanoe, Benton and Warren Cos., IN > > 3 March for 12 markers > 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our first > Maine Kincaid line > > 10 March for 12 markers > 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an > honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid > > 15 March for 37-marker upgrade > 44937 Robert Kincaid/Margaret Doherty of > Alleghany Co., PA > > 17 March for 25 & 37 markers > 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our first > Maine Kincaid line > > 24 March for 25 & 37 markers > 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an > honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid > > About 1 April (no date set yet by FTDNA) (37 marker test) > 51828 L.C. Kincaid - descendant of David > Kincaid/Lucy Riggins of Maury Co., TN > > > ** The extended 37-marker results for 15779 (Group A, Set 3), on John > Adams Kincaid of Murray Co., GA, will not be coming back as scheduled on > Feb 22. The lab was not able to culture the existing sample and sent out a > kit for a new sample. The original sample came from the uncle of Joel > Warren, but the gentleman in question is now deceased. FTDNA says it will > try testing the first sample again, but in case that is not possible, > we're looking for the nearest living Kincaid relative of that lineage to > do a new test. > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > Will the following listmembers please contact me in a private message, for > I have some sort of housekeeping details to clear up with each of you: > > Ruth Cherecwich > Deanne Kincaid > Carol Roy > Brenda Beatty > Bill Kincaid whk925@comcast.net > Sue Stewart > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > DESPERATE PLEA > > I'll say it once again. We must add more DNA participants. We do not need > new samples from ancestors whose DNA has already been typed, but we do > need new participants whose lineage is in question. > > You can help in 2 ways. > > 1. You can take it upon yourselves to locate living Kincaid males whose > DNA lineage might add to our knowledge. > > 2. You can donate all or part of the cost of a DNA test, for many living > Kincaid males have no interest in family history and wouldn't think to > join the project at any cost. > > You're not safe from being dunned for a donation if you're a male whose > surname isn't Kincaid or if you're female. You should consider making a > donation so that an appropriate DNA test for your problem ancestor can be > covered. > > If you won't help, who will? > > Leslie > > > ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== > THE KINCAID RESEARCHER > www.alphalink.com.au/~kincaid > >

Carol, Forget the infamous Mt Tom ran off with Lucinda Claypool story. Until we can get a DNA sample from this "second" family, there is nothing beyond the legend to suggest that Thomas/Polly Davis of Fayette Co. WVA was the same Thomas who shows up with Lucinda Claypool in his household in Lewis Co. WVA in 1850. Lucinda says that she is "daughter" to this Thomas when reporting his death. The ages of the 2 Thomases do not match. The Lewis Co. Thomas has a Mary who is of an age to be his wife in 1850, while your Thomas/Isabella has a Mary, widow, in his household in 1850 who is of an age to be his mother. The same woman would not be in 2 places at one time. The only proven son of Thomas/Polly Davis is William/Harriet/Susan. #33001 in the DNA project is vetted to Thomas/Polly through William who says his parents are Thomas Kincaid & Polly Davis on his marriage record to Susan. DNA #101753 has a good case to Harvey and is lacking just a bit of evidence to connect to Thomas/Polly. #33001 has a mutation which matches other Kincaids that #101753 does not. This mutation may have occured downline from Thomas/Polly. DNA from a descendent of George W/Mary Campbell (#49289) does not match #33001 or #101753. It is unlikely (but not impossible) that his mutation occured downline from other Kincaids who share the mutation. If it is at all possible a DNA sample from your line of Thomas/Isabella Campbell would help clear up whether he is a possible son of Thomas/Polly or not. Certainly his paper trail would indicate that he is but the Fayette area is quite confusing and he always refers to his mother as Mary while William and Harvey always refer to her as Polly. Since Polly is a nickname for Mary, the different names are not a big hinderance but should be addressed. Thomas/Polly Davis looks from paperwork like he is the son of Samuel/Mary Tincher/Hilda Osborne/Diana Ewing. Who looks from paperwork like he is the son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. His marriage bonds state he is son of a Samuel and his age and location suggest he is the Thomas mentioned as son of Samuel of the 3 wives mentioned in court proceedings. By the way, the existance of a second Thomas, son of Samuel of the 3 wives is also in question. Thomas/Sarah is named in the deed partioning the land of Samuel of the 3 wives but the informant on Sarah's death certificate indicates that it is she who is the daughter of Thomas/Hilda Osbourne and heir of Samuel rather than this Thomas. Again, the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids are confusing and a DNA sample from your line would be most welcome. Much has been discussed on list about this family. Now that the archives are functional again it might be of benefit to you to review all posts about the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" <carol60@mindspring.com> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > Dear list and Leslie > > In reply to an old message > > IFFFF I'm right....i have George Washington Kincaid's parents as Thomas > Kincaid(the imfamous Mountain Tom who deserted his 1st wife,Mary(Polly) > Withrow) and ran off with a Lucinda Claypool). Mary was George W's mother. > > If i have this all messed up, please let me know > > I have as Mt Tom's children with Mary > Thomas (my Line) > George Washington > William > Harvey > Andrew > Levi Lewis > Mary Catherine > Manser > > I have George Washington Kincaid's children > Rufus A > Sarah Martha > Isa Belle > Mary C > George William > Va Margaret > Daniel Thomas > Emily Frances > > Many thanks > Carol in Va > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leslie McConachie" <lesliesc@earthlink.net> > To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:03 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > > >> Hello to each of you, >> >> >> NEW RESULTS >> >> Yesterday we got new DNA results on samples 48219 and 35195. (These were >> even 10 days early!) >> >> >> 35195 is a DNA sample for Bill Kincaid. It comes down from Samuel >> Kincaid of early Augusta Co. though his son Samuel Kincaid/wife Margaret >> Clark. >> This sample is now listed with Group C, Set 2, and suggests a >> close relationship between Samuel Kincaid and Ruth Cherecwich's favorite >> ancestor George Kincaid/Elizabeth Dean. >> Perhaps Samuel and George are brothers, perhaps not, but they do >> fall into the same general age range and were in Augusta Co., VA, in the >> mid-1700s. They are among our earliest Kincaids. >> This may help explain the Group C results for ancestors Isaiah >> Kincaid (1262) and Robert L. Kincaid (2305) who both were born in VA but >> first surface in OH. >> Bill has a nice website where his ancestry is outlined at >> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4756/ >> >> >> 48219 is a DNA sample coming down from George Washington >> Kincaid/Mary Catherine Campbell of Fayette and Roane Cos., WV. George >> Washington Kincaid lived 1818-1898. >> This one fell into Group A, Set 2, and is the first instance of >> this DNA in Virginia, for many of the members of that group and set go >> back to PA. >> According to the results, this man has no identified close >> relatives in VA. We obviously need more DNA samples from identified >> ancestors in this region, or listmember Bob Arnott will never get to go >> to >> an extended family reunion. Bob's ancestor George Washington Kincaid was >> born in 1818 and died in 1898. By the 1880 census of Roane Co., WV, both >> of his parents were born in VA. We're now looking for a Kincaid papa who >> was born in Virginia at some point before 1800. >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> >> >> One of the things this does is tell all of us that we've got more genetic >> diversity in Virginia than we might have thought. Sue has already pointed >> out that there could well have been several waves of Kincaid immigration >> into VA. These "new" DNA lineages could have been in PA or elsewhere for >> a >> time, or they could have come more directly from Europe. >> >> >> UPHEAVAL IN FAYETTE CO., WV >> >> The new results rule out the possibility that Toney Kincaid (33001 - >> Group >> A, Set 3) could descend from the Samuel Kincaids of Anthony Creek >> (49351 - >> Group C, Set 2). Toney's lineage has a marriage bond in Greenbrier Co. in >> 1815 on which a Samuel Kincaid gives permission for "my son" Thomas to >> marry Polly Davis. The only remaining Samuel in Greenbrier about whom we >> have any knowledge and who is old enough to be the father of Thomas seems >> to be the Samuel Kincaid who married Mary Tincher, Hulda Osborn, and >> Diana >> Ewing. >> >> Whoa, we might have expected any DNA coming down from marriage-minded >> Samuel to fall into Group A, Set 1. This puts Fayette Co., WV, into a >> snarl. >> >> It has been thought by Kincaid researchers for a very long time that >> Samuel was probably a brother to Rev.War pensioner John Kincaid/Elizabeth >> Hannah Gillespie (30078 and 36856 - DNA results coming down from James >> Gillespie Kincaid/Mary Tritt). >> >> Previous scenarios have theorized that both Samuel and Rev War John were >> sons to Thomas Kincaid/Hannah Tincher. But if Toney is Set 3, and 30078 >> and 36856 are Set 1, the brother theory is out the window. We need to >> re-analyze the records AND get some different DNA samples out of early >> Virginia/West Virginia ancestors. >> >> To this is added the point that George Washington Kincaid/Mary Catherine >> Campbell (who married in Fayette Co. in 1841) have an entirely different >> set of DNA results than we have previously found in the area, so now we >> have a burning need to find a father for him. >> >> Fayette Co. turns out to be a melting pot of many different Kincaid >> lines. >> Research there should proceed with caution. >> >> >> _______________________________________________________________ >> >> >> UPCOMING RESULTS** >> >> 22 Feb for 37-marker upgrades >> 1257 Archibald Kincaid/Rachel Hicklin >> of Augusta Co., VA >> >> 1 March for 37-marker upgrades >> 11207 James Kincade/Elizabeth Church of >> Franklin & Lewis Cos., TN >> 18496 James H. Kincaid/Caroline >> McKimsey >> of Bedford Co., TN & MO >> 47327 Ted Tomlinson of MI >> 5850 Arthur Perry Kincaid of IL >> 5806 Francis Kincaid/Isabella Markel >> of Tippecanoe, Benton and Warren Cos., IN >> >> 3 March for 12 markers >> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our first >> Maine Kincaid line >> >> 10 March for 12 markers >> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >> >> 15 March for 37-marker upgrade >> 44937 Robert Kincaid/Margaret Doherty >> of >> Alleghany Co., PA >> >> 17 March for 25 & 37 markers >> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our first >> Maine Kincaid line >> >> 24 March for 25 & 37 markers >> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >> >> About 1 April (no date set yet by FTDNA) (37 marker test) >> 51828 L.C. Kincaid - descendant of David >> Kincaid/Lucy Riggins of Maury Co., TN >> >> >> ** The extended 37-marker results for 15779 (Group A, Set 3), on John >> Adams Kincaid of Murray Co., GA, will not be coming back as scheduled on >> Feb 22. The lab was not able to culture the existing sample and sent out >> a >> kit for a new sample. The original sample came from the uncle of Joel >> Warren, but the gentleman in question is now deceased. FTDNA says it will >> try testing the first sample again, but in case that is not possible, >> we're looking for the nearest living Kincaid relative of that lineage to >> do a new test. >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> Will the following listmembers please contact me in a private message, >> for >> I have some sort of housekeeping details to clear up with each of you: >> >> Ruth Cherecwich >> Deanne Kincaid >> Carol Roy >> Brenda Beatty >> Bill Kincaid whk925@comcast.net >> Sue Stewart >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> DESPERATE PLEA >> >> I'll say it once again. We must add more DNA participants. We do not need >> new samples from ancestors whose DNA has already been typed, but we do >> need new participants whose lineage is in question. >> >> You can help in 2 ways. >> >> 1. You can take it upon yourselves to locate living Kincaid males whose >> DNA lineage might add to our knowledge. >> >> 2. You can donate all or part of the cost of a DNA test, for many living >> Kincaid males have no interest in family history and wouldn't think to >> join the project at any cost. >> >> You're not safe from being dunned for a donation if you're a male whose >> surname isn't Kincaid or if you're female. You should consider making a >> donation so that an appropriate DNA test for your problem ancestor can be >> covered. >> >> If you won't help, who will? >> >> Leslie >> >> >> ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== >> THE KINCAID RESEARCHER >> www.alphalink.com.au/~kincaid >> >> > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The last of the upgrade to 67 markers for 5806 & 4323 have been returned. No surprises here. They both match the Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A in the 38-67 range. 5806 is in A-1a. His vetted ancestor is Francis of Tippicanoe Co. IN b 1833 d 1881 m 1857 Isabella Merkel. There are several possible connections for this line as A-1a ancestors are scattered at an early date from IRE to DEL to VA and their descendents expanded with the frontier. 4323 is in A-2b. The proposed ancestor is William of PA>Crawford Co. IN>Putnam Co. IL b1790-9 d 1846 m 1820 Elizabeth Glenn. Other A-2b ancestors from PA are associated with Cumberland Co. They are (1263) Andrew b 1745 m Martha Townsley, (5803)William b 1785 m Hannah Bonner and (93625) John b 1749 m Anna Gregory. John is possibly the son of John of Carlisle, Cumberland Co. PA. None of these are vetted lines. 93625 and 5803 both have a mutation to 38 at marker 34 (CDYa) that the other 2 do not share. There is potential for connections both in time and place between these lines. The other 1/2 of A-2b seems to concentrate in Rowan Co. NC and TN. The eldest proposed ancestor for this 1/2 is George b 1739 d 1826 m Hannah. Since TN was an expansion area from NC and NC was settled by many from PA, there is again a possibility in time and place for connection. I urge the contacts for these individuals to work on vetting their respective lines. Not only will it put the set on a firm basis but may also reveal connection possibilities here-to-fore unrecognized. Sue Liedtke

The Archives are back. A few things are missing, like this wiped out thread only has Norman's message below in the Archives. The Archives does not have Peter's original message nor all the others which followed. The Archives may have lost all the messages which were sent to various lists during the server switch. OR, it may be that the messages will get re-posted by the Rootsweb computer and then they will be found in the Archives. I have no clue. <grin> Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 8/5/2008 9:13:29 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, norman.kincaide@yahoo.com writes: I see that they are wiped out also. This is bizarre. There are May 1990 and October 2007. Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 8:19:11 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaid archives wiped out? I am not sure what happened but I went to check for something posted on the Kincaid list and found that the archives were wiped out. I only see items posted for October 2007. Is it just me? Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

I see that they are wiped out also.  This is bizarre.  There are May 1990 and October 2007. Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 8:19:11 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaid archives wiped out? I am not sure what happened but I went to check for something posted on the Kincaid list and found that the archives were wiped out.  I only see items posted for October 2007.  Is it just me? Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, Thanks for the research on the Michael Woods family. I was delighted to see that he was in Chester County in 1725 according to Ruth Lamar Petracek who seems to be a very serious researcher. Yes on a descendant of Michael Woods and Joseph Kinkead marrying later. Has anyone read Ruth Lamar Petracek's book _Woods-Wallace Cousin Clues_ mentioned in the posts? Since some think the Kincaids/Kinkeads likely came South to VA with Michael Woods perhaps there is something in her book about the Kincaid/Kinkeads of that era. With the new information that is being made available daily on the internet, I am hopeful we will soon find more common ancestors for many in the Kincaid's of all spellings Surname DNA Project. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart, Rev Jos. Kinkead of Killinchy Don, Here are several messages that seem to give detailed information of Michael Woods and his family who went to Virginia (from Pennsylvania) in the 1730's. These three messages below show serious research on this family. Isn't there a connection in your family to a descendant of Michael Woods and Mary Campbell? ************************** "I have the following information on Michael and his children. I also have an extensive family tree that you may be interested in looking at. I'm related to Michael I believe what would be his great grandson Adam C. Woods' grandson Archibald Jr., the son of Adam's son Archibald Sr., who migrated to in and around Howard Co., MO in the early 1800's pre-statehood for MO from Madison Co., KY. with Daniel Boone and sons. MICHAEL MARION5 WOODS (JOHN ANDREW4, JOHN3, RICHARD2, MICHAEL1) was born Bet. 1683 - 1684 in Dunshauglin Castle, Meath, Ireland, and died 1762 in Mountain Plains (later called Blair Park), Albemarle Co., VA. He married MARY CAMPBELL 1704 in Scotland, daughter of JAMES CAMPBELL and SUSAN CAMPBELL. She was born 02 Jun 1690 in Auckinbrech, Argyll, Scotland, and died 1742 in Mountain Plains, Albemarle Co., VA. Notes for MICHAEL MARION WOODS: He came to Albemarle County about 1734 and settled near WOODS Gap, now called Jarman's Gap in the Blue Ridge Mountains. He received land patents for 1,300 acres near Lickinghole, Mechum's River and Beaver Creek, embracing the present Mechum's Depot and Blair Park. At the same time he also purchased 2,000 acres from Charles Hudson on Ivy Creek. The first Presbyterian Church as built at Mountain Plains and named for Michael's home. His remains were buried about 100 yards from his home; however, during the Civil War the stone was broken. A chip was found which confirms his birth date. His will mentions 3 sons and 3 daughters: Archibald, John, William, Sarah (wife of Joseph Lapsley of Rockbridge), Hannah (wife of William Wallace) and Margaret (wife of Andrew Wallace). Sons Archibald and John were the executors. (JD14) JARMAN'S GAP Five miles east is Jarman's Gap, formerly known as WOODS' Gap. Through this pass Michael WOODS, his three sons, and three sons in law (Andrew, Peter, William Wallace), coming from Pennsylvania via Shenandoah Valley, crossed into Albemarle County in 1734; pioneers in settling this section. In 1780 to 1781 British prisoners taken at Saratoga went through the gap en route to Winchester. In June, 1862 part of Stonewall Jackson's Confederate army, moving to join Lee at Richmond, crossed the mountain here. (Route 340, 1.2 miles north of Waynesboro)."...... There were 25 or 30 of them. Michael's wife, Mary CAMPBELL, his sons and his sons-in-law and their families. They took up large holdings from Greenwood to Ivy. In 1737 WOODS entered a claim for 1,300 acres on Mechum River and Lickinghole Creek. He also purchased 2,000 acres on the head waters of Ivy Creek. Woods was born in the north of Ireland in 1684 and came to this country "sometime in the decade of 1720. Landing on the banks of the Delaware, he spent some years in Lancaster County, Pa., thence ascended the Valley of Virginia and crossed the Blue Ridge" His home was near the mouth of WOODS Gap and there he was buried in 1762 in the family burying ground a short distance from the dwelling. His will mentioned six children, three sons and three daughters. Historians say there is evidence that there were four other children, two sons and two daughters..... Read the total message here: http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.woods/5091.1/mb.ashx ************* Here is a reply to the above message: "Next, the earliest records of Michael Woods in the Americas are 1725--when he's on tax records for Chester County, PA. He did NOT emigrate in 1742--but more likely 1723 or 1724. Magdalena Woods McDowell was among the latest emigres in 1733 by her own testimony in Augusta County records and that of her sister-in-law who came with her. Check the genweb site for Chester County, and the Chester County records there, Ruth Lamar Petracek's book _Woods-Wallace Cousin Clues_ and the Augusta County records. Next, there is strong evidence for one more son of Michael Woods who is not listed in the will, but only one more son. Michael Woods did NOT have as many children as you are claiming. Go back and read the Augusta County records and pay attention to the naming tradition. Most of the children you ascribe to Michael were children of SAMUEL and named their first or second born sons SAMUEL and unless the children of Samuel married daughters or sons of Michael--as per his will, had NO children named Michael. The only additional likely son is a Richard Woods. There were two of them of nearly the same age. The one who became the first sheriff of Botetourt County was the son of Samuel. Richard Woods, son of Michael appears to have been a merchant and landowner in Albemarle County. You'll find mentions of both, describing them, in the Augusta County records, which are on-line at the genweb site for Augusta County: Chalkey's Chronicles of the Scots-Irish in 3 volumes, and indexed. As a descendant of Peter Wallace and Martha Woods and their parents: SAMUEL Wallace and Elizabeth Woods and SAMUEL Woods and ELIZABETH Campbell, I resent the continued misstatements about the identities and parentage of these people and the continued confusion with Michael and Mary when there has been plenty of records for decades on both sides of the Atlantic showing the realities. I, the late Ruth Lamar Petracek, Ruby Woods, Lois M. Postel, the late Mrs. Ruthmary Erdahl-first cousin of the Congressman of the same name, my late mother, and others have spent over 40 years researching and transcribing the truth and passing it on--long before computers, trying to undo the speculative undocumented crap put out in the Woods-McAfee Memorial and other vanity press books published 85 to 100 years ago. We've even struggled with semi-historical claptrap like Marten's mangled history of Rockbridge which had uncle and nephew both named John Wallace dying the same day, ignoring the probate records and land records indicating that the nephew was alive and well when Marten has him dead. Apparently when he was doing his typing and editing he wasn't going back to cross check what he'd written with the original records. Yet we think he's the idiot who dropped Peter Wallace's will behind the file cabinet in the basement of the Rockbridge County Courthouse. (Ruth Lamar Petracek found it again--a photocopy of that is also in her book.)"...... http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.woods/5091.1.4/mb.ashx "This is kind of post script. I spotted something else wrong--the dates are wrong for some of Samuel's and Michael's children. Notably wrong are the dates for Magdalena Woods McDowell-Borden Bowyer. According to Augusta County records (testimony in suits) and transport records found in Albemarle County (Albemarle was created just before Augusta) she was married John McDowell as his 2nd wife, in 1733 in Ireland, and immigrated soon after with him and his father and other members of the McDowell family. She was about 21 when married, this means she was born in about 1711--not 1706. Additionally she was dead by 1800. In 1801, people were already filing suit over the related inheritances. She lived to be about 90--not 100. She died soon after the end of the witchcraft trial against her and her sister-in-law, Mrs. Greenlee. That trial was going on in 1795 and maybe into 1796. There are mentions of it in Chalkley's Chronicles but the full of it fills up two volumes of court records in Augusta County, in the Staunton Courthouse, according to the late Ruth Lamar Petracek who perused them back in the 1970's. Martha, Magalena and their sister Sarah who married Joseph Lapsley were all daughters of SAMUEL Woods and Elizabeth Campbell, not Michael Woods and Mary Campbell. Martha was born probably in 1718--the colonial marriage laws generally stated 21 as a minimum age for marriage. The Quakers allowed marriage for 18 year old females and were constantly at odds with the "official" church. Remember: church and state were one in England, and England ruled the Americas. Thus even many Quakers waited--because the fines could be quite hefty if they didn't. Peter Wallace was born between 1715-1717. There is no evidence that Mary Campbell was killed by the Native Americans. The December, 1741 incident occurred west of where Michael Woods and his wife were living and it might have been her sister, Elizabeth Campbell Woods who was among people killed by the Native Americans after John McDowell gave the Iroquois war party liquor. According to the records of those asking for compensation for losses (which included family members) it was the Woods in Augusta County, connected with Samuel Woods, who filed for compensation..... http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.woods/5091.1.5/mb.ashx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart, Rev Jos. Kinkead of Killinchy > Dennis, > > Since you have so many records on David Kinkead from Spotsylvania, > Goochland and Orange Counties, I wonder if you might have any for James > and Joseph Kinkead since Wood's History of Albemarle County states that > David, James and Joseph are brothers? > > Thanks for all you contribute to the Kincaid list! > > Don W. > > > > Between June 1734 and 1743 in Spottsylvania, Goochland and Orange > counties > it is spelled Kinkead 46 times to 2 as Kinkade, and 4 spellings of > Kindred. > > The spelling may be more related to which clerk recorded the records. > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don, Here are several messages that seem to give detailed information of Michael Woods and his family who went to Virginia (from Pennsylvania) in the 1730's. These three messages below show serious research on this family. Isn't there a connection in your family to a descendant of Michael Woods and Mary Campbell? ************************** "I have the following information on Michael and his children. I also have an extensive family tree that you may be interested in looking at. I'm related to Michael I believe what would be his great grandson Adam C. Woods' grandson Archibald Jr., the son of Adam's son Archibald Sr., who migrated to in and around Howard Co., MO in the early 1800's pre-statehood for MO from Madison Co., KY. with Daniel Boone and sons. MICHAEL MARION5 WOODS (JOHN ANDREW4, JOHN3, RICHARD2, MICHAEL1) was born Bet. 1683 - 1684 in Dunshauglin Castle, Meath, Ireland, and died 1762 in Mountain Plains (later called Blair Park), Albemarle Co., VA. He married MARY CAMPBELL 1704 in Scotland, daughter of JAMES CAMPBELL and SUSAN CAMPBELL. She was born 02 Jun 1690 in Auckinbrech, Argyll, Scotland, and died 1742 in Mountain Plains, Albemarle Co., VA. Notes for MICHAEL MARION WOODS: He came to Albemarle County about 1734 and settled near WOODS Gap, now called Jarman's Gap in the Blue Ridge Mountains. He received land patents for 1,300 acres near Lickinghole, Mechum's River and Beaver Creek, embracing the present Mechum's Depot and Blair Park. At the same time he also purchased 2,000 acres from Charles Hudson on Ivy Creek. The first Presbyterian Church as built at Mountain Plains and named for Michael's home. His remains were buried about 100 yards from his home; however, during the Civil War the stone was broken. A chip was found which confirms his birth date. His will mentions 3 sons and 3 daughters: Archibald, John, William, Sarah (wife of Joseph Lapsley of Rockbridge), Hannah (wife of William Wallace) and Margaret (wife of Andrew Wallace). Sons Archibald and John were the executors. (JD14) JARMAN'S GAP Five miles east is Jarman's Gap, formerly known as WOODS' Gap. Through this pass Michael WOODS, his three sons, and three sons in law (Andrew, Peter, William Wallace), coming from Pennsylvania via Shenandoah Valley, crossed into Albemarle County in 1734; pioneers in settling this section. In 1780 to 1781 British prisoners taken at Saratoga went through the gap en route to Winchester. In June, 1862 part of Stonewall Jackson's Confederate army, moving to join Lee at Richmond, crossed the mountain here. (Route 340, 1.2 miles north of Waynesboro)."...... There were 25 or 30 of them. Michael's wife, Mary CAMPBELL, his sons and his sons-in-law and their families. They took up large holdings from Greenwood to Ivy. In 1737 WOODS entered a claim for 1,300 acres on Mechum River and Lickinghole Creek. He also purchased 2,000 acres on the head waters of Ivy Creek. Woods was born in the north of Ireland in 1684 and came to this country "sometime in the decade of 1720. Landing on the banks of the Delaware, he spent some years in Lancaster County, Pa., thence ascended the Valley of Virginia and crossed the Blue Ridge" His home was near the mouth of WOODS Gap and there he was buried in 1762 in the family burying ground a short distance from the dwelling. His will mentioned six children, three sons and three daughters. Historians say there is evidence that there were four other children, two sons and two daughters..... Read the total message here: http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.woods/5091.1/mb.ashx ************* Here is a reply to the above message: "Next, the earliest records of Michael Woods in the Americas are 1725--when he's on tax records for Chester County, PA. He did NOT emigrate in 1742--but more likely 1723 or 1724. Magdalena Woods McDowell was among the latest emigres in 1733 by her own testimony in Augusta County records and that of her sister-in-law who came with her. Check the genweb site for Chester County, and the Chester County records there, Ruth Lamar Petracek's book _Woods-Wallace Cousin Clues_ and the Augusta County records. Next, there is strong evidence for one more son of Michael Woods who is not listed in the will, but only one more son. Michael Woods did NOT have as many children as you are claiming. Go back and read the Augusta County records and pay attention to the naming tradition. Most of the children you ascribe to Michael were children of SAMUEL and named their first or second born sons SAMUEL and unless the children of Samuel married daughters or sons of Michael--as per his will, had NO children named Michael. The only additional likely son is a Richard Woods. There were two of them of nearly the same age. The one who became the first sheriff of Botetourt County was the son of Samuel. Richard Woods, son of Michael appears to have been a merchant and landowner in Albemarle County. You'll find mentions of both, describing them, in the Augusta County records, which are on-line at the genweb site for Augusta County: Chalkey's Chronicles of the Scots-Irish in 3 volumes, and indexed. As a descendant of Peter Wallace and Martha Woods and their parents: SAMUEL Wallace and Elizabeth Woods and SAMUEL Woods and ELIZABETH Campbell, I resent the continued misstatements about the identities and parentage of these people and the continued confusion with Michael and Mary when there has been plenty of records for decades on both sides of the Atlantic showing the realities. I, the late Ruth Lamar Petracek, Ruby Woods, Lois M. Postel, the late Mrs. Ruthmary Erdahl-first cousin of the Congressman of the same name, my late mother, and others have spent over 40 years researching and transcribing the truth and passing it on--long before computers, trying to undo the speculative undocumented crap put out in the Woods-McAfee Memorial and other vanity press books published 85 to 100 years ago. We've even struggled with semi-historical claptrap like Marten's mangled history of Rockbridge which had uncle and nephew both named John Wallace dying the same day, ignoring the probate records and land records indicating that the nephew was alive and well when Marten has him dead. Apparently when he was doing his typing and editing he wasn't going back to cross check what he'd written with the original records. Yet we think he's the idiot who dropped Peter Wallace's will behind the file cabinet in the basement of the Rockbridge County Courthouse. (Ruth Lamar Petracek found it again--a photocopy of that is also in her book.)"...... http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.woods/5091.1.4/mb.ashx "This is kind of post script. I spotted something else wrong--the dates are wrong for some of Samuel's and Michael's children. Notably wrong are the dates for Magdalena Woods McDowell-Borden Bowyer. According to Augusta County records (testimony in suits) and transport records found in Albemarle County (Albemarle was created just before Augusta) she was married John McDowell as his 2nd wife, in 1733 in Ireland, and immigrated soon after with him and his father and other members of the McDowell family. She was about 21 when married, this means she was born in about 1711--not 1706. Additionally she was dead by 1800. In 1801, people were already filing suit over the related inheritances. She lived to be about 90--not 100. She died soon after the end of the witchcraft trial against her and her sister-in-law, Mrs. Greenlee. That trial was going on in 1795 and maybe into 1796. There are mentions of it in Chalkley's Chronicles but the full of it fills up two volumes of court records in Augusta County, in the Staunton Courthouse, according to the late Ruth Lamar Petracek who perused them back in the 1970's. Martha, Magalena and their sister Sarah who married Joseph Lapsley were all daughters of SAMUEL Woods and Elizabeth Campbell, not Michael Woods and Mary Campbell. Martha was born probably in 1718--the colonial marriage laws generally stated 21 as a minimum age for marriage. The Quakers allowed marriage for 18 year old females and were constantly at odds with the "official" church. Remember: church and state were one in England, and England ruled the Americas. Thus even many Quakers waited--because the fines could be quite hefty if they didn't. Peter Wallace was born between 1715-1717. There is no evidence that Mary Campbell was killed by the Native Americans. The December, 1741 incident occurred west of where Michael Woods and his wife were living and it might have been her sister, Elizabeth Campbell Woods who was among people killed by the Native Americans after John McDowell gave the Iroquois war party liquor. According to the records of those asking for compensation for losses (which included family members) it was the Woods in Augusta County, connected with Samuel Woods, who filed for compensation..... http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.woods/5091.1.5/mb.ashx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart, Rev Jos. Kinkead of Killinchy > Dennis, > > Since you have so many records on David Kinkead from Spotsylvania, > Goochland and Orange Counties, I wonder if you might have any for James > and Joseph Kinkead since Wood's History of Albemarle County states that > David, James and Joseph are brothers? > > Thanks for all you contribute to the Kincaid list! > > Don W. > > > > Between June 1734 and 1743 in Spottsylvania, Goochland and Orange > counties > it is spelled Kinkead 46 times to 2 as Kinkade, and 4 spellings of > Kindred. > > The spelling may be more related to which clerk recorded the records. > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message