I think we decided that this John in Mason Co. was John/Elizabeth Logan, son of David/Winnifred. John and Elizabeth of Clark Co. KY sold 2500a in Mason Co. on the waters of Kennicanick on 4/29/1802. There was also a John Kinkaid and Mary of Mason Co. who sold land on Bull Creek on 1/27/1804 but If I remember correctly the boundaries indicate the Kennicanick land as being part of the 5,000a grant. Sue Liedtke > > My curiosity is very high on the John Kinkaid who paid 8,000 pounds for > 5,000 acres to the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1782 on Treasury Warrant > No. 12157. Do any Kincaid listers know which John this is? His land was on > the Ohio River in Mason County, KY. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Van Hout > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New Kentucky land patents added > > > Looking at the names and reading the actual documents in the old Kentucky > patents, Thomas Kinkard was Thomas Kincaid, who had a warrant for land in > Garrard County on the waters of Paint > Lick . > > http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/DisplayPrintableImage.aspx?DocDb=OLD%20KENTUCKY%20WARRANTS&DocTitle=OK%203399.0&Title=OK%203399.0&Description=KINKARD%2c+THOMAS&Page=3&ScaleFactor=1&CompressionFactor=20 > > Also the old Kentucky patents show 17 records for a James Kincaid. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:52 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] New Kentucky land patents added > > > > The Kentucky Secretary of State website has added images of more very > > early land patents. You can choose to read the Virginia land patents > or > > the old Kentucky land patents. Then search for names by scrolling down > > the scanned patents. > > > >>From reading some of Kincaid records, I found an Andrew associated with > >>William Kinkead in Fayette County, Eagle Creek, witness was a ? Poage, > in > >>the Kentucky land records. This was probably the William/Eleanor > Kinkead > >>family. The Virginia patents tell us that the Andrew Kincaid who > served > >>with Capt. Lewis was an assignee of a John Kincaid. > > > > The Kentucky patents show John Kincaid, Jr in Madison County, with > Moore > > Kincaid and David Kincaid as chain bearers. Reading through the > official > > handwritten document, I think that it shows it was John Kincaid, Senr., > > not Jnr. > > > > > http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/Default.aspx > > > > > > Barbara > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, Thanks for posting the Ky land patent website. Very enjoyable finding info on my kin! Did you by chance check on the James Kincaid/William Woods parcel? William Wood married James's & my ancestor David Greer Kincaid's sister Ruth. The description says the 1,800 acres lays about 3 or 4 miles below the mouth of Richland Creek on Cumberland River but since Lincoln County was still a large county, I am not sure where their land was located. I don't find Richland Creek on my maps however there is a Richland Creek Road in present day Knox County, KY a few miles east of the town of Gray but I don't see the Cumberland River nearby so still in the dark on the location. When in Madison and Mercer Counties, KY, we copied lots of land documents for James Kincaid but found few deeds where he sold the land. Perhaps the title did not turn out on some of them? We found the same for John Kincaid in same area. My curiosity is very high on the John Kinkaid who paid 8,000 pounds for 5,000 acres to the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1782 on Treasury Warrant No. 12157. Do any Kincaid listers know which John this is? His land was on the Ohio River in Mason County, KY. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New Kentucky land patents added Looking at the names and reading the actual documents in the old Kentucky patents, Thomas Kinkard was Thomas Kincaid, who had a warrant for land in Garrard County on the waters of Paint Lick . http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/DisplayPrintableImage.aspx?DocDb=OLD%20KENTUCKY%20WARRANTS&DocTitle=OK%203399.0&Title=OK%203399.0&Description=KINKARD%2c+THOMAS&Page=3&ScaleFactor=1&CompressionFactor=20 Also the old Kentucky patents show 17 records for a James Kincaid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: [KINCAID] New Kentucky land patents added > The Kentucky Secretary of State website has added images of more very > early land patents. You can choose to read the Virginia land patents or > the old Kentucky land patents. Then search for names by scrolling down > the scanned patents. > >>From reading some of Kincaid records, I found an Andrew associated with >>William Kinkead in Fayette County, Eagle Creek, witness was a ? Poage, in >>the Kentucky land records. This was probably the William/Eleanor Kinkead >>family. The Virginia patents tell us that the Andrew Kincaid who served >>with Capt. Lewis was an assignee of a John Kincaid. > > The Kentucky patents show John Kincaid, Jr in Madison County, with Moore > Kincaid and David Kincaid as chain bearers. Reading through the official > handwritten document, I think that it shows it was John Kincaid, Senr., > not Jnr. > > http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/Default.aspx > > > Barbara > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Great opportunity to participate in the Kincaid's of all Spellings DNA Project is outlined in this email from Family Tree DNA. Their new lab is sure saving lots of time and allows them to offer this large price savings so if you or a kinsman has been thinking of participating, now is a good time! Remember that several in a family can go together to pay the costs for one family member to participate and only one from a family is needed. The 37 marker test is only $119! If you want to look over the Kincaid DNA Results chart Sue does, there will be a link at the bottom of this email. Please remember the expiration date of this special is AUGUST 31! Please note shipping costs are now $4 instead of $2. For the Admin Team, Don Dear Group Administrator, In June, Family Tree DNA ran our most successful promotion ever, in which we offered a significant discount on many of our test upgrades. Now that our lab has had time to process the high volume of orders generated by that promotion, we are ready to challenge the record that we set in June by returning to you with our "Sizzling Summer Sale." This time, the promotion is geared towards bringing new members to your projects by offering the following big incentives: Y-DNA12 orders include a FREE mtDNA test (Y-DNA12+mtDNA promotion price of $99; normally $189) Y-DNA25 orders include a FREE mtDNA test (Y-DNA25+mtDNA promotion price of $148; normally $238) Y-DNA37 orders price REDUCED to $119 (normally $189) Y-DNA37+mtDNAPlus orders price REDUCED to $189 (normally $339) Y-DNA67+mtDNAPlus orders price REDUCED to $288 (normally $409) mtDNAPlus price REDUCED to $149 (normally $189) This promotion goes into effect immediately and will be available until August 31st, 11:59PM CST. We would also like to make you aware of a change in shipping costs. Since our inception we never increased our shipping charge, even though in the meantime USPS has increased its rates 6 times. For that reason, our shipping cost will increase by $2, effective immediately. We appreciate your understanding. As always, thank you for your continued support! Family Tree DNA

I tried to send this reply before, I don't know where it got hung up.  But I am sending it again. This act was to fulfill the Pennyslvania quota for the Federal Army not including those who are serving for the duration of the war or for three years.  So it appears that this is 2700 additional soldiers for the Federal Army. There were Pennsylvania Continental Line troops before 1781 serving for varying lengths of time.  Some enlisted for the war or three years, some were enlisted for 7 months in 1780 and it appears that such a short enlistment didn't serve the purposes of the Federal Army.  These 18 month enlistments served more to secure the western frontier since the seige of Yorktown in Virginia which ended on Oct. 17, 1781 ended most military operations in Virginia and the coastal states.  So securing the frontier of Pennsylvania at Fort Pitt was viewed as a necessity since Indian allies to the British were still causing trouble for frontier settlements in 1781. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

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This is a reply test. Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:10:46 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New Kentucky land patents added Barbara,  Thanks for posting the Ky land patent website. Very enjoyable finding info on my kin! Did you by chance check on the James Kincaid/William Woods parcel? William Wood married James's & my ancestor David Greer Kincaid's sister Ruth. The description says the 1,800 acres lays about 3 or 4 miles below the mouth of Richland Creek on Cumberland River but since Lincoln County was still a large county, I am not sure where their land was located. I don't find Richland Creek on my maps however there is a Richland Creek Road in present day Knox County, KY a few miles east of the town of Gray but I don't see the Cumberland River nearby so still in the dark on the location. When in Madison and Mercer Counties, KY, we copied lots of land documents for James Kincaid but found few deeds where he sold the land. Perhaps the title did not turn out on some of them? We found the same for John Kincaid in same area. My curiosity is very high on the John Kinkaid who paid 8,000 pounds for 5,000 acres to the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1782 on Treasury Warrant No. 12157. Do any Kincaid listers know which John this is? His land was on the Ohio River in Mason County, KY.   ----- Original Message -----   From: Barbara Van Hout   To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com   Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:53 AM   Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New Kentucky land patents added   Looking at the names and reading the actual documents in the old Kentucky   patents, Thomas Kinkard was Thomas Kincaid, who had a warrant for land in   Garrard County on the waters of Paint   Lick .   http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/DisplayPrintableImage.aspx?DocDb=OLD%20KENTUCKY%20WARRANTS&DocTitle=OK%203399.0&Title=OK%203399.0&Description=KINKARD%2c+THOMAS&Page=3&ScaleFactor=1&CompressionFactor=20   Also the old Kentucky patents show 17 records for a James Kincaid.   ----- Original Message -----   From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net>   To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com>   Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:52 AM   Subject: [KINCAID] New Kentucky land patents added   > The Kentucky Secretary of State website has added images of more very   > early land patents.  You can choose to read the Virginia land patents or   > the old Kentucky land patents.  Then search for names by scrolling down   > the scanned patents.   >   >>From reading some of Kincaid records, I found an Andrew associated with   >>William Kinkead in Fayette County, Eagle Creek, witness was a ? Poage, in   >>the Kentucky land records. This was probably the William/Eleanor Kinkead   >>family.  The Virginia patents tell us that the Andrew Kincaid who served   >>with Capt. Lewis was an assignee of a John Kincaid.   >   > The Kentucky patents show John Kincaid, Jr in Madison County, with Moore   > Kincaid and David Kincaid as chain bearers.  Reading through the official   > handwritten document, I think that it shows it was John Kincaid, Senr..,   > not Jnr.   >   > http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/Default.aspx   >   >   > Barbara   > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel:   > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls   >   >   > -------------------------------   > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to   > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the   > quotes in the subject and the body of the message   To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel:   http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls   -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A reply test. Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:21:56 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Samuel Kincade Jr. Dear Kincaid-listers, I was going through the warrants and surveys for Butler County, PA trying to find surveys in Donegal Township that might be adjacent to a Kincaid and this is what I found.  This survey was orginally in Allegheny County, later in Butler County.  Who is this Samuel Kincade junior to?  Is he the son of Samuel Kincaid married to Sarah Reed who died at the seige of Fort Meigs?  Or the son of Samuel Kincaid who married Elizabeth Wilson?  Subsequently, this Samuel Kincaid died in Butler County, PA in 1840 leaving three son: John, James, and Robert.  This Samuel is of particular interest to Group C Kincaids if he is the son of either of the above Samuel Kincaids.  This land is also connected to the Craig family and it could be that the John Kincaid, of Butler County who sold his donation land Isaac Craig could be the brother of this Samuel Kincade, Jr. Sincerely Norman Kincaide 1794 Samuel Kincade, Jr.  Surveyed the 18 day of September 1794 for Jonathan Craig, 401 acres of land with the         allowance of six per cent &c by virtue of his improvement began the 18 day of Sept. 1794 situate in District         No. 8 N.W. of the Allegheny River on the waters of the West Branch of Buffaloe Creek.  Stephen Gapen,             D.S.  To Daniel Brodhead, Esqr. Surveyor General.  Adjacent landowners: William Craig, Samuel Kincade,         Jr., Peter Condon, improved land..  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office,                     COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912C-177, p. 90.       To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a reply test. Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:21:56 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Samuel Kincade Jr. Dear Kincaid-listers, I was going through the warrants and surveys for Butler County, PA trying to find surveys in Donegal Township that might be adjacent to a Kincaid and this is what I found.  This survey was orginally in Allegheny County, later in Butler County.  Who is this Samuel Kincade junior to?  Is he the son of Samuel Kincaid married to Sarah Reed who died at the seige of Fort Meigs?  Or the son of Samuel Kincaid who married Elizabeth Wilson?  Subsequently, this Samuel Kincaid died in Butler County, PA in 1840 leaving three son: John, James, and Robert.  This Samuel is of particular interest to Group C Kincaids if he is the son of either of the above Samuel Kincaids.  This land is also connected to the Craig family and it could be that the John Kincaid, of Butler County who sold his donation land Isaac Craig could be the brother of this Samuel Kincade, Jr. Sincerely Norman Kincaide 1794 Samuel Kincade, Jr.  Surveyed the 18 day of September 1794 for Jonathan Craig, 401 acres of land with the         allowance of six per cent &c by virtue of his improvement began the 18 day of Sept. 1794 situate in District         No. 8 N.W. of the Allegheny River on the waters of the West Branch of Buffaloe Creek.  Stephen Gapen,             D.S.  To Daniel Brodhead, Esqr. Surveyor General.  Adjacent landowners: William Craig, Samuel Kincade,         Jr., Peter Condon, improved land..  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office,                     COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912C-177, p. 90.       To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, but for some people it would be prudent to note that there's a difference between "line" units and militia. I thought PA had line troops before 1781 so I wonder if the first act was to raised an additional 2700 men. Bruce ---- Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear Kincaid-listers, > I looked up the laws pertaining to the raising of troops for the Pennsylvania Line and found the following: > > http://www.palrb.us/statutesatlarge/17001799/1780/0/act/0926.pdf > > Chapter CMXXVI > Passed Dec. 23, 1780 > An Act to Complete the quota of the federal army assigned to this state. > Whereas the practice of enlisting soldiers for short terms has been attended with great inconvenience and danger to this and the United States in creating a necessity of frequently calling forth the militia, at a heavy expense, and waste of important time, and by reducing the in the field at critical periods to a number vastly inadequate to the service, to proceed to produce classes of men to enlist during the war and to deliver one able bodied recruit within 15 days thereafter. > An act to raise 2700 able bodied men to serve in the Pennsylvania Line for 18 months from July 1, 1781 to be raised at the expense of Philadelphia, and the several counties; Philadelphia: 895, Bucks County: 177, Chester County: 284, Lancaster County: 384, York County: 214, Cumberland County: 202, Berks County: 193, Northampton: 112, Bedford County: 61, Northumberland County: 75, Westmoreland County: 103, > Washington County: 103. > Every recruit so enlisted and entered into the army shall receive one complete suit of clothes each year and at the end of the war two hundred acres of land and all other pay, gratuities and exemptions that other soldiers in the line of this state are entitled to. > > http://www.palrb.us/statutesatlarge/17001799/1781/0/act/0946.pdf > > Chapter CMXLVI > Passed June 25, 1781 > An Act for recruiting the Pennsylvania Line in the Army of the United States. > An act to raise 2700 able bodied men to serve in the Pennsylvania Line for 18 months from July 1, 1781 to be raised at the expense of Philadelphia, and the several counties; Philadelphia: 895, Bucks County: 177, Chester County: 284, Lancaster County: 384, York County: 214, Cumberland County: 202, Berks County: 193, Northampton: 112, Bedford County: 61, Northumberland County: 75, Westmoreland County: 103, > Washington County: 103. > And be it enacted by the authority aforesaid, that any person who, in pursuance of this act, shall enlist and deliver to the proper officer one able bodied recruit shall be exempted from all militia duty for and during the time of such enlistment. > So as I read these acts the recruits for the Pennsylvania Continental Line after 1780 were drawn from the militia lists as they were drawn up in classes for the townships and boroughs and these classes had to provide one able bodied recruit until the quota for each county was fulfilled, in the case of Cumberland County, PA 202 able bodied recruits for 1781 with service for 18 months beginning from July 1, 1781.  This was not really a volunteer enlistment but was a requirement of the law and those enlisting in the Pennsylvania line were exempt from all militia duty.  They could be counted on the class roll until called to duty.  > I still need to study this further, but I think I have the basic intent of the law.  For the full text of these laws see the links provided or search at: > > http://www.palrb.us/stlarge/index.asp > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The son of Samuel Kincaid m. Sarah Reed was not born until 1804 in Adams Co., OH., so it wasn't that Samuel. In 1793 and 1795, the Samuel Kincaid who m. Sarah Reed was living in St. Clair Township, Allegheny Co., PA. I have a note that says Baldwin Twp. was created in 1844 from Upper and Lower St. Clair, Jefferson & Mifflin Twps. Baldwin Twp. is just south of Pittsburgh. Butler County is north of Pittsburgh, so it isn't likely to be the Samuel Kincaid who m. Sarah Reed either. My sister, Chris Kraft, has the Samuel Kincaid who m. Elizabeth Wilson as moving from Fayette Co., PA (where he was in 1790) to Hardin Co., KY. (where he was in 1795). I don't know who your Samuel Kincade, Jr. is. Alice Gedge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Samuel Kincade Jr. Dear Kincaid-listers, I was going through the warrants and surveys for Butler County, PA trying to find surveys in Donegal Township that might be adjacent to a Kincaid and this is what I found. This survey was orginally in Allegheny County, later in Butler County. Who is this Samuel Kincade junior to? Is he the son of Samuel Kincaid married to Sarah Reed who died at the seige of Fort Meigs? Or the son of Samuel Kincaid who married Elizabeth Wilson? Subsequently, this Samuel Kincaid died in Butler County, PA in 1840 leaving three son: John, James, and Robert. This Samuel is of particular interest to Group C Kincaids if he is the son of either of the above Samuel Kincaids. This land is also connected to the Craig family and it could be that the John Kincaid, of Butler County who sold his donation land Isaac Craig could be the brother of this Samuel Kincade, Jr. Sincerely Norman Kincaide 1794 Samuel Kincade, Jr. Surveyed the 18 day of September 1794 for Jonathan Craig, 401 acres of land with the allowance of six per cent &c by virtue of his improvement began the 18 day of Sept. 1794 situate in District No. 8 N.W. of the Allegheny River on the waters of the West Branch of Buffaloe Creek. Stephen Gapen, D.S. To Daniel Brodhead, Esqr. Surveyor General. Adjacent landowners: William Craig, Samuel Kincade, Jr., Peter Condon, improved land.. Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912C-177, p. 90. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the messageNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comVersion: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release Date: 8/15/20085:58 AM

Looking at the names and reading the actual documents in the old Kentucky patents, Thomas Kinkard was Thomas Kincaid, who had a warrant for land in Garrard County on the waters of Paint Lick . http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/DisplayPrintableImage.aspx?DocDb=OLD%20KENTUCKY%20WARRANTS&DocTitle=OK%203399.0&Title=OK%203399.0&Description=KINKARD%2c+THOMAS&Page=3&ScaleFactor=1&CompressionFactor=20 Also the old Kentucky patents show 17 records for a James Kincaid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: [KINCAID] New Kentucky land patents added > The Kentucky Secretary of State website has added images of more very > early land patents. You can choose to read the Virginia land patents or > the old Kentucky land patents. Then search for names by scrolling down > the scanned patents. > >>From reading some of Kincaid records, I found an Andrew associated with >>William Kinkead in Fayette County, Eagle Creek, witness was a ? Poage, in >>the Kentucky land records. This was probably the William/Eleanor Kinkead >>family. The Virginia patents tell us that the Andrew Kincaid who served >>with Capt. Lewis was an assignee of a John Kincaid. > > The Kentucky patents show John Kincaid, Jr in Madison County, with Moore > Kincaid and David Kincaid as chain bearers. Reading through the official > handwritten document, I think that it shows it was John Kincaid, Senr., > not Jnr. > > http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/Default.aspx > > > Barbara > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"The Virginia patents tell us that the Andrew Kincaid who served with Capt. Lewis was an assignee of a John Kincaid." Correction to the above statement: It was John Kinkead who served with Capt. Lewis in 1763 who gave this land to Andrew Kincaid. The deed suggest that Andrew was an heir of John Kinkead. This land was in Lincoln County, KY. http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/DisplayPrintableImage.aspx?DocDb=VIRGINIA%20PATENTS&DocTitle=VA%200628.0&Title=VA%200628.0&Description=KINKAID%2c+ANDREW&Page=1&ScaleFactor=1&CompressionFactor=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: [KINCAID] New Kentucky land patents added > The Kentucky Secretary of State website has added images of more very > early land patents. You can choose to read the Virginia land patents or > the old Kentucky land patents. Then search for names by scrolling down > the scanned patents. > >>From reading some of Kincaid records, I found an Andrew associated with >>William Kinkead in Fayette County, Eagle Creek, witness was a ? Poage, in >>the Kentucky land records. This was probably the William/Eleanor Kinkead >>family. The Virginia patents tell us that the Andrew Kincaid who served >>with Capt. Lewis was an assignee of a John Kincaid. > > The Kentucky patents show John Kincaid, Jr in Madison County, with Moore > Kincaid and David Kincaid as chain bearers. Reading through the official > handwritten document, I think that it shows it was John Kincaid, Senr., > not Jnr. > > http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/Default.aspx > > > Barbara > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Kincaid-listers, I was going through the warrants and surveys for Butler County, PA trying to find surveys in Donegal Township that might be adjacent to a Kincaid and this is what I found.  This survey was orginally in Allegheny County, later in Butler County.  Who is this Samuel Kincade junior to?  Is he the son of Samuel Kincaid married to Sarah Reed who died at the seige of Fort Meigs?  Or the son of Samuel Kincaid who married Elizabeth Wilson?  Subsequently, this Samuel Kincaid died in Butler County, PA in 1840 leaving three son: John, James, and Robert.  This Samuel is of particular interest to Group C Kincaids if he is the son of either of the above Samuel Kincaids.  This land is also connected to the Craig family and it could be that the John Kincaid, of Butler County who sold his donation land Isaac Craig could be the brother of this Samuel Kincade, Jr. Sincerely Norman Kincaide 1794 Samuel Kincade, Jr.  Surveyed the 18 day of September 1794 for Jonathan Craig, 401 acres of land with the         allowance of six per cent &c by virtue of his improvement began the 18 day of Sept. 1794 situate in District         No. 8 N.W. of the Allegheny River on the waters of the West Branch of Buffaloe Creek.  Stephen Gapen,             D.S.  To Daniel Brodhead, Esqr. Surveyor General.  Adjacent landowners: William Craig, Samuel Kincade,         Jr., Peter Condon, improved land..  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office,                     COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912C-177, p. 90.

The Kentucky Secretary of State website has added images of more very early land patents. You can choose to read the Virginia land patents or the old Kentucky land patents. Then search for names by scrolling down the scanned patents. >From reading some of Kincaid records, I found an Andrew associated with William Kinkead in Fayette County, Eagle Creek, witness was a ? Poage, in the Kentucky land records. This was probably the William/Eleanor Kinkead family. The Virginia patents tell us that the Andrew Kincaid who served with Capt. Lewis was an assignee of a John Kincaid. The Kentucky patents show John Kincaid, Jr in Madison County, with Moore Kincaid and David Kincaid as chain bearers. Reading through the official handwritten document, I think that it shows it was John Kincaid, Senr., not Jnr. http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/Default.aspx Barbara

Alice, I'm not sure what the problem might be. I receive them just fine - and it is usually AOL which is the bad guy. Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 8/13/2008 8:27:47 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, adgedge@burgoyne.com writes: I am afraid that I am not able to read any of Norman's messages. Everybody else's are just fine. When I open Norman's, the page is blank. I have to go to the list if I want to read it. Alice Gedge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Will signatures > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

I am afraid that I am not able to read any of Norman's messages. Everybody else's are just fine. When I open Norman's, the page is blank. I have to go to the list if I want to read it. Alice Gedge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Will signatures >

Dear Kincaid-listers, I think I have figured out the Cumberland County, PA militia lists, aided by the explanation at the following website: http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/MilitaryRevMilitiaInterface.htm There was a permanent billet battalion for each township where the list of classes were compiled and an active battalion to which officers and soldiers were attached when called to duty. The following timeline will hopefully better illustrate the Kincaids in the Cumberland County, PA Militia. There appears to be another James Kinkead with the William Kinkead in the 6th/4th Battalion from Hamilton Township.  I have no idea which lineage these two men belong to. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Cumberland County, PA Militia 1st Battalion, (Active battalion) 1777 James Kinkead, [15550] private, Capt. Matthew Gregg’s Company, 1st Battalion, Cumberland County, PA         Militia, called out by order of Council, July 28, 1777. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 15, p. 564.  (Active                 battalion, 1st, billet battalion, 2nd) 1777 James McClaren, private, Capt. Matthew Gregg’s Company, 1st Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia,         called out by order of Council, July 28, 1777. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 15, p.  564. (Active battalion,             1st, billet battalion, 2nd) 2nd Battalion, (Active battalion) 1777 Archibald Kinkead, [000014] private, Capt. James Power’s Company, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County,             PA Militia, called out by order of Council, July 28, 1777. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 15, p. 573. (Active         battalion, 2nd, billet battalion, 7th) 1777 Andrew Kinkead, private, 5th Class, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, commanded by Capt.             Frederick Taylor, October 1777. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 15, p. 589. (Active battalion, 2nd, billet                 battalion, 7th) 2nd Battalion (permanent billet battalion) 1777 Andrew Kinkead, [93625] private, 3rd Class, Capt. William Donaldson’s Company, 2nd Battalion,                         Cumberland County, PA Militia, commanded by Col. William Chambers, called out to service, July 28,                 1777.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 15, p. 575. (West Pennsborough) 1777 Andrew Kinkead, [93625] private, in 3rd Class, 1st Company, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia,         commanded by Capt. William Donaldson, order from Council, October 23, 1777. Active Duty Militia.                     Record  proves active duty. Pennsylvania State Archives, Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File.              (West Pennsborough) 1777 James Kinkead, [15550] private, 1st Class, 5th Company commanded by Capt. Mathew Gregg, 2nd                     Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia by order of Council July 20, 1777. Active Duty Militia.  Record             proves active duty. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. (Middleton Township) 1777 Thomas Kinked, [93625] private, 1st Class, 4th Company commanded by Capt. Mathew Greg, 2nd                     Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, abated by order of council, July 20, 1777. Record  does not prove         active duty..  Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File (Middleton Township) 6th Battalion, permanent billet battalion, 4th Battalion after 1780 1777 James Kinkead, private, 3rd Class, 2nd Company commanded by Capt. Samuel Patton, 6th Battalion,                 Cumberland County, PA Militia, delinquent, by order of Council, Oct. 23, 1777.   Record does not prove             active duty. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. (Hamilton Township) 1777 William Kinkead, private, 3rd Class, 3rd Company commanded by Capt. Samuel Patton, 6th Battalion                 Cumberland County, PA Militia, order of Council, Oct. 23, 1777. Record does not prove active duty.                      Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. (Hamilton Township) 7th Battalion, permanent billet battalion, 5th Battalion after 1780 1777 Archibald Kinkead [000014] listed in 2nd Company, 7th Battalion, Col. Frederick Watt’s Battalion,                     Cumberland County, PA  Militia, September 1777. (Rye Township) 1777 Andrew Kinkead [1263] listed in 5th Company, 7th Battalion, Col. Frederick Watt’s Battalion, Cumberland             County, PA Militia. (Rye Township) 1777 Andrew Kinkead [000017] listed in 7th Company, 7th Battalion, Col. Frederick Watt’s Battalion, Cumberland         County, PA Militia. (Tyrone Township) 1777 John Kinkead [4164] listed in 7th Company, 7th Battalion, Col. Frederick Watt’s Battalion, Cumberland                 County, PA Militia. (Tyrone Township) Cumberland County, PA Militia 2nd Battalion, permanent billet battalion 1778 Andrew Kinkead, [93625] private, 3rd Class, 1st Company, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia,             commanded by Capt. William Donaldson, by order of Council, July 14, 1778.  2nd Tour, 3rd & 4th Classes,         300 Men to ye Standing Stone.  Pennsylvania State Archives; Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card             File. (West Pennsborough) 1778 James Kinkead, [15550] private, 1st Class, 4th Co. Capt. James Douglas, 2nd Battalion, 2nd Tour, 1st &             2nd Classes-300 Men to ye standing stone, Dqt. Order of Council, July 14, 1778.  Fines: 40 pounds.                  Inactive Duty Militia.  Record Does Not Prove Active Duty.  Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File             (Middleton Township) 6th Battalion, permanent billet battalion, 4th Battalion after 1780 1778 Thomas Kinkead, [16491] private, served in 3rd Class, 3rd Company, 6th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA         Militia, commanded by Capt. Samuel Patten, July 14, 1778, second tour, 3rd & 4th classes. Record proves         active duty. Pennsylvania State Archives; Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. (Hamilton                     Township) 1778 Thomas Kincaid [16491] served as a ranger on the frontier for the Cumberland County, PA Militia, on a list of         rangers that served from 1778-1783. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 23, p. 253. 1778 William Kinkead, private, 3rd Class, 3rd Company commanded by Capt. Samuel Patten, 6th Battalion,                 Cumberland County, PA Militia, remt, 300 men to Ye Standing Stone, July 14, 1778.  Record does not prove         active duty. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. (Hamilton Township) 7th Battalion, permanent billet battalion, 5th Battalion after 1780 1778 Archibald Kincade, [000014] private, in Capt. James Power’s Company, 7th Battalion, Cumberland County,         PA Militia, commanded by Col. Gibson, July 1778. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 15, p. 614; s. 5, v. 6, p.         467. (Rye Township) 1778 Archibald Kincade, [000014] private, 2nd Class, 8th Company commanded by Capt. James Power, 7th                 Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia served 2nd tour 300 men to Ye Standing Stone, July 14,                     1778. Record proves active duty. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. (Rye Township) 1778 Andrew Kinkead, private, in 5th Class, 8th Company, 7th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia,                     commanded by Capt. Frederick Taylor by order of Council, January 1778. Active Duty Militia.  Record                 Proves Active Duty.  Pennsylvania State  Archives Online Card File. (Rye Township) 1778 Andrew Kincaid served as a ranger on the frontier of the Cumberland County, PA Militia on a list of rangers         that served from 1778-1783..  Pennsylvania Archives,  s. 3, v. 23, p. 267. 1778 Andrew Kinkead, [000017] private, in 7th Class, Capt. John Buchanon’s Company, 7th Battalion,                         Cumberland County, PA  Militia, commanded by Col. Frederick Watts in service March 1778. Pennsylvania         Archives, s. 2, v. 15, p. 600. (Tyrone Township) 1778 Andrew Kinkead, [000017] private, 7th Class, 8th Company, 7th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia,         commanded by Capt. John Bochanon by order of Council, March 25, 1778. Pennsylvania State Archives             (Toboyne Township) 1778 John Kinkead, [4164] private, in 7th Class, Capt. John Buchanon’s Company, 7th Battalion, Cumberland             County, PA Militia, commanded by Col. Frederick Watts in service March 1778.  Pennsylvania Archives, s.         2, v. 15, p. 600. (Tyrone Township) 1778 John Kinkead, [4164] private, in 7th Class, 8th Company, 7th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia,             commanded by Capt. John Bochanon, March 25, 1778. Record proves active duty.  Pennsylvania State             Archives; Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File.(Toboyne Township) Cumberland County, PA Militia 1779 John Kincaid, [16596] serg., in Capt. Samuel Patton’s Company, Col. William Chambers’ Battalion,                     Cumberland County, PA Militia, from April 27 to June 22, 1779, 1 month & 25 days, mustered at Legonere,         June 22, 1779..  Pennsylvania State Archives; Pennsylvania Archives, s. 5, v. 6, p. 601. Active Duty Militia.          Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File 1779 John Kincaid, [16596] serg. in Capt. Samuel Patton’s Company, Col. William Chambers’ Battalion,                     Cumberland County, PA Militia in service on the frontiers of Bedford & Westmoreland Counties in the spring         & summer 1779, April 27, 1779, mustered at Legonere,  June 22, 1779. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 14,         p. 448; Pennsylvania Archives , s. 5, v. 6, p. 609. 1779 John Kincaid [16596] .           In 1779 a company recruited from Path Valley was mustered into the service, and sent west to quell an             Indian disturbance.  This was Captain Noah Abraham's company - First Lieutenant Nathaniel Stevenson; Second Lieutenant Adam Harman;  Sergeants Joseph Ferguson, Campbell Lefever, James Hamilton, John Roatch; Privates, Daniel Colbert, Neal Dougherty,  Frederick Dougherty, Patrick Dougherty, Thomas Knox, Daniel Lavrey, William Love, Redmond McDonough, Mathias Maers,  John Maghan, John Millison, James Megraw, Isaac Miner, James Russell, John Robinson, James Ray, and William Walker.        At the same time another company went from Letterkenny Township: Captain Samuel Patton; First Lieutenant Ezekiel Sample; Sergeants John Kincaid, [16596] William Spear; Privates John Bran, Thomas Crotley, Richard Cooper, George Hunter, Samuel Howard, John Hart, William Lowry, George Lamb, John Lytle, Henry Marshal, John Mathias (weaver), Lorans McReady, John Parker, William  Patterson, Abram Rosenberry, William Sharp, John Welsh, Henry Williamson.   History of Franklin County, PA, Franklin & Beers, 1887, Chapter IV, The Revolution. Cumberland County, PA Militia 2nd Battalion 1780 Andrew Kinkead, [1263] private, in 3rd Class, 3rd Company, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia,         June 12, 1780. Pennsylvania State Archives. (West Pennsborough) 1780 James Kinkaid, [15550] private, 1st Class, 4th Company, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia,             Class Roll, Sept. 20, 1780.  Inactive Duty Militia.  Record Does Not Prove Active Duty.  Pennsylvania State         Archives Online Card File. (Carlisle) 4th Battalion, 1780 Thomas Kincaid, [16491] serg., was in Capt. Samuel Patton’s Company, Cumberland County, PA Militia,             August 28, 1780.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 23, p. 707; Pennsylvania Archives, s. 5, v. 6, p. 277.                 (Hamilton Township) 5th Battalion, permanent billet, formerly the 7th Battalion 1780 Andrew Kinkade [1263] in 7th Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, called to         perform a tour of duty, August 1, 1780. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 23, p. 689. (Toboyne Township) 1780 Andrew Kincaid, private, [1263] 7th Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion Cumberland County, PA Militia,              Class Roll, 1780-83. Inactive Duty Militia.  Record does not prove active duty.  Pennsylvania State Archives         Online Card File. (Toboyne Township) 1780 Archabald Kincaid, [000014] private, 2nd Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion Cumberland County, PA                 Militia,  Class Roll, 1780-83. Inactive Duty Militia.  Record does not prove active duty.  Pennsylvania State         Archives Online Card File. (Toboyne Township) 1780 Jno. Kincaid, [4164] private, 7th Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion Cumberland County, PA Militia,  Class         Roll, 1780-83. Inactive Duty Militia.  Record does not prove active duty.  Pennsylvania State Archives Online         Card File. (Toboyne Township) 1780 John Kinkade [4164] in 7th Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, called to             perform a tour of duty,  August 1, 1780. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 23, p. 689. (Toboyne Township) 2nd Battalion 1781 James Kinkade [15550] in account of 1st Class, 4th Company, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA                 Militia, called to do a tour of duty,  June 27, 1781. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 23, p. 736; s. 5, v. 6, p.             288. (West Pennsborough)  4th Battalion, permanent billet battalion, formerly the 6th Battalion 1781 John Kincaid, [16596] serg., in Samuel Patton’s Company, 2nd Company, 4th Battalion, Cumberland                 County, PA Militia, commanded by  Col. Samuel Culbertson, May 12, 1781. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v.         23, p. 743; s. 5, v. 6, p. 286. (Hamilton Township) 1781 John Kinkade, private,  in 6th Class, 2nd Company, 4th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, Capt.             Samuel Patton’s Company, May 12, 1781. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 23, p. 744; s. 5, v. 6, p. 287.             (Hamilton Township) 1781 John Kincead, [16596] serg., in 1st Class, 2nd Company, 4th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia,             called to duty, June 27, 1781. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 23, p. 738. (Hamilton Township) 1781 Thomas Kincaid, [16491] serg., in Samuel Patton’s Company, 2nd Company, 4th Battalion, Cumberland             County, PA Militia, commanded by Col. Samuel Culbertson, May 12, 1781.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v.         23, p. 743; Pennsylvania Archives , s. 5, v. 6, p. 286. (Hamilton Township) 5th Battalion, permanent billet battalion, formerly the 7th Battalion 1781 Archibald Kincade [000014] in 2nd Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia,                 called  to duty in 1781. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 5, v. 6, p. 364; s. 3, v. 23, p. 798. (Toboyne Township) 1781 Archibald Kincaid [000014] in 2nd Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA, Militia,                 Capt. John Nelson’s Company for 1780-1781. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v.. 23, p. 798; s. 5, v. 6, p. 355.         (Toboyne Township) 1781 Andrew Kincade [1263] in 7th Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA, Capt. John                 Nelson’s Company for 1780-1781. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 23, p. 799; s. 5, v..  6, p. 356. (Toboyne             Township) 1781 John Kincade [4164] in 7th Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, Capt. John         Nelson’s Company for 1780-1781. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 23, p. 799; s. 5, v. 6, p. 356. (Toboyne             Township) Cumberland County, PA Militia 4th Battalion, permanent billet battalion, formerly the 6th Battalion 1782 John Kincaid, [16596] serg., in 2nd Company, Capt. Samuel Patton’s Company, 4th Battalion, Cumberland         County, PA Militia, commanded by Col. Samuel Culbertson, September 12, 1782.  Pennsylvania Archives,         s. 3, v. 23, p. 785; s. 5, v. 6, p. 311. (Hamilton Township) 1782 Thomas Kincaid, [16491] serg., in 2nd Company, Capt. Samuel Patton’s Company, 4th Battalion,                     Cumberland County, PA Militia, commanded by Col. Samuel Culbertson, September 12, 1782.                          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 23, p. 785; s. 5, v. 6, p. 311. (Hamilton Township) 5th Battalion, permanent billet battalion, formerly the 7th Battalion 1782 Archibald Kincaid, [000014] private, in 2nd Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA             Militia under Capt.  John Nelson, called to duty 1782. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 5, v. 6, p. 365. (Toboyne             Township) 1782 Andrew Kincaid, [1263] private, in 7th Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia             under Capt. John Nelson, called to duty 1782. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 5, v. 6, p. 366. (Toboyne Township) 1782 John Kincaid, [4164] private, in 7th Class, 8th Company, 5th Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia under         Capt. John Nelson,  called to duty, 1782. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 5, v. 6, p.. 366. (Toboyne Township)

Dear Kincaid-listers, I looked up the laws pertaining to the raising of troops for the Pennsylvania Line and found the following: http://www.palrb.us/statutesatlarge/17001799/1780/0/act/0926.pdf Chapter CMXXVI Passed Dec. 23, 1780 An Act to Complete the quota of the federal army assigned to this state. Whereas the practice of enlisting soldiers for short terms has been attended with great inconvenience and danger to this and the United States in creating a necessity of frequently calling forth the militia, at a heavy expense, and waste of important time, and by reducing the in the field at critical periods to a number vastly inadequate to the service, to proceed to produce classes of men to enlist during the war and to deliver one able bodied recruit within 15 days thereafter. An act to raise 2700 able bodied men to serve in the Pennsylvania Line for 18 months from July 1, 1781 to be raised at the expense of Philadelphia, and the several counties; Philadelphia: 895, Bucks County: 177, Chester County: 284, Lancaster County: 384, York County: 214, Cumberland County: 202, Berks County: 193, Northampton: 112, Bedford County: 61, Northumberland County: 75, Westmoreland County: 103, Washington County: 103. Every recruit so enlisted and entered into the army shall receive one complete suit of clothes each year and at the end of the war two hundred acres of land and all other pay, gratuities and exemptions that other soldiers in the line of this state are entitled to. http://www.palrb.us/statutesatlarge/17001799/1781/0/act/0946.pdf Chapter CMXLVI Passed June 25, 1781 An Act for recruiting the Pennsylvania Line in the Army of the United States. An act to raise 2700 able bodied men to serve in the Pennsylvania Line for 18 months from July 1, 1781 to be raised at the expense of Philadelphia, and the several counties; Philadelphia: 895, Bucks County: 177, Chester County: 284, Lancaster County: 384, York County: 214, Cumberland County: 202, Berks County: 193, Northampton: 112, Bedford County: 61, Northumberland County: 75, Westmoreland County: 103, Washington County: 103. And be it enacted by the authority aforesaid, that any person who, in pursuance of this act, shall enlist and deliver to the proper officer one able bodied recruit shall be exempted from all militia duty for and during the time of such enlistment. So as I read these acts the recruits for the Pennsylvania Continental Line after 1780 were drawn from the militia lists as they were drawn up in classes for the townships and boroughs and these classes had to provide one able bodied recruit until the quota for each county was fulfilled, in the case of Cumberland County, PA 202 able bodied recruits for 1781 with service for 18 months beginning from July 1, 1781.  This was not really a volunteer enlistment but was a requirement of the law and those enlisting in the Pennsylvania line were exempt from all militia duty.  They could be counted on the class roll until called to duty.  I still need to study this further, but I think I have the basic intent of the law.  For the full text of these laws see the links provided or search at: http://www.palrb.us/stlarge/index.asp Sincerely Norman Kincaide

Good luck on getting the dna participants you need to sort things out. The Kincaid DNA Project has 3 new participants in the past 2 weeks and has several more considering participating so maybe we will get some results that will help several lines. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Arnott To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies I'm still slowing pursuing some additional candidates for DNA testing that may shed some light on this confusion. One is another descendant of George W. Kincaid of Fayette and Roane Counties WV and the second is a descendant of Thomas/Lucinda Claypool. The latter has been very difficult and unresponsive but we should pursue!! Unless someone has information to the contrary Thomas is believed to be buried in Roane County beside his brother Thomas. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Liedtke Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:41 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies We have not found a marriage bond for Thomas/Mary Withrow. We also have seen no evidence that the Thomas of Lewis Co. was married to a Mary Withrow. Thomas of Lewis Co.'s death information does indicate that he was a son of an "S" and born in Greenbrier Co. which is why he probably became attached to Samuel of the 3 wives. In 1850 Thomas of Lewis Co. says he is 49. (Thomas/Polly m 1815 with parental permission. He first appears on tax lists under his own name (designated as son of Sam) in 1815. Census info suggests a birthdate1795-99. 1795 is most reasonable). There are other Samuels in Greenbrier but some of them can be eliminated immediately. The best bet is Samuel, son of Samuel/Margaret Clark of Anthony Creek who appears on tax lists in 1802. If indeed this Thomas sired any children and is the son of this Samuel, their DNA would be Group C and vastly different then any of the Fayette Co. Kincaids who are all Group A. If the children of Lucinda Claypool are not his they will not match any Kincaid DNA) There were Withrows associated with James/Rosanna Baird who seems to be closely associated with George/Margaret Rennick who is closely associated with Samuel/Margaret Clark. The apparent connection between George W/Mary Campbell and Thomas/Isabella Campbell may be because they married sisters. There is a good possibility that Thomas/Isabella is the son of Thomas/Polly Davis as he did buy land which Thomas, son of Samuel, owned at one time. It may be worth your time to try tracking down a male descendent of Thomas/Isabella/Eliza. This may not be as hard as it seems. In the 1880 census he is listed with sons John M. age 20, Willie age 16, A. Judson age 4. In 1870 there are males Daniel G. 19, Curtis M 17, and George V. 13 in his household as well as John M and Willie. You should be able to follow these males using the 1900-1930 censuses. Some of them and their sons should be on the Social Security Death index which would lead you to obits which may lead you to living males. George Vanner died in 1952. In 1880 he has one daughter. Curtis m Mary R. Sims and died prior 1932. In 1880 he has son Lonzo 2 in his household. Daniel Augsustus m Susie Kious. He has only daughters in his 1880 household. He was still alive in 1933 when she died. John Morton is listed in the 1900 census with sons George M 16, Auguster 12, Earnest 6, and John newborn. Toney have you done any further tracking of this family? Good luck, Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" <carol60@mindspring.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > Sue > OH my goodness > Back to square one..almost. I had a feeling i was on the wrong track but i > wasn't sure .You explained it better than i have seen. I didin't realize > there were 2 Mary's (Polly)same age. Do you know where or how Mary Withrow > fits into the picture if at all. > > My line is through women sooo that's not an option. Any test would have to > come from another one of Thomas' and Isabella children who ever they may > be > or desendents of Thomas and Eliza Townsend(2nd wife) > > Thank you for sitting me straight > > Will be off line for awhile.Will check archives soon > > Carol > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > > >> Carol, Forget the infamous Mt Tom ran off with Lucinda Claypool story. >> Until >> we can get a DNA sample from this "second" family, there is nothing >> beyond >> the legend to suggest that Thomas/Polly Davis of Fayette Co. WVA was the >> same Thomas who shows up with Lucinda Claypool in his household in Lewis >> Co. >> WVA in 1850. Lucinda says that she is "daughter" to this Thomas when >> reporting his death. The ages of the 2 Thomases do not match. The Lewis >> Co. >> Thomas has a Mary who is of an age to be his wife in 1850, while your >> Thomas/Isabella has a Mary, widow, in his household in 1850 who is of an >> age >> to be his mother. The same woman would not be in 2 places at one time. >> >> The only proven son of Thomas/Polly Davis is William/Harriet/Susan. >> #33001 >> in the DNA project is vetted to Thomas/Polly through William who says his >> parents are Thomas Kincaid & Polly Davis on his marriage record to Susan. >> DNA #101753 has a good case to Harvey and is lacking just a bit of >> evidence >> to connect to Thomas/Polly. #33001 has a mutation which matches other >> Kincaids that #101753 does not. This mutation may have occured downline >> from >> Thomas/Polly. DNA from a descendent of George W/Mary Campbell (#49289) >> does >> not match #33001 or #101753. It is unlikely (but not impossible) that his >> mutation occured downline from other Kincaids who share the mutation. If >> it >> is at all possible a DNA sample from your line of Thomas/Isabella >> Campbell >> would help clear up whether he is a possible son of Thomas/Polly or not. >> Certainly his paper trail would indicate that he is but the Fayette area >> is >> quite confusing and he always refers to his mother as Mary while William >> and >> Harvey always refer to her as Polly. Since Polly is a nickname for Mary, >> the >> different names are not a big hinderance but should be addressed. >> >> Thomas/Polly Davis looks from paperwork like he is the son of Samuel/Mary >> Tincher/Hilda Osborne/Diana Ewing. Who looks from paperwork like he is >> the >> son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. His marriage bonds state he is son of a >> Samuel >> and his age and location suggest he is the Thomas mentioned as son of >> Samuel >> of the 3 wives mentioned in court proceedings. By the way, the existance >> of >> a second Thomas, son of Samuel of the 3 wives is also in question. >> Thomas/Sarah is named in the deed partioning the land of Samuel of the 3 >> wives but the informant on Sarah's death certificate indicates that it is >> she who is the daughter of Thomas/Hilda Osbourne and heir of Samuel >> rather >> than this Thomas. >> >> Again, the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids are confusing and a DNA sample >> from >> your line would be most welcome. Much has been discussed on list about >> this >> family. Now that the archives are functional again it might be of benefit >> to >> you to review all posts about the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carol" <carol60@mindspring.com> >> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies >> >> >>> Dear list and Leslie >>> >>> In reply to an old message >>> >>> IFFFF I'm right....i have George Washington Kincaid's parents as Thomas >>> Kincaid(the imfamous Mountain Tom who deserted his 1st wife,Mary(Polly) >>> Withrow) and ran off with a Lucinda Claypool). Mary was George W's >>> mother. >>> >>> If i have this all messed up, please let me know >>> >>> I have as Mt Tom's children with Mary >>> Thomas (my Line) >>> George Washington >>> William >>> Harvey >>> Andrew >>> Levi Lewis >>> Mary Catherine >>> Manser >>> >>> I have George Washington Kincaid's children >>> Rufus A >>> Sarah Martha >>> Isa Belle >>> Mary C >>> George William >>> Va Margaret >>> Daniel Thomas >>> Emily Frances >>> >>> Many thanks >>> Carol in Va >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Leslie McConachie" <lesliesc@earthlink.net> >>> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:03 PM >>> Subject: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies >>> >>> >>>> Hello to each of you, >>>> >>>> >>>> NEW RESULTS >>>> >>>> Yesterday we got new DNA results on samples 48219 and 35195. (These >>>> were >>>> even 10 days early!) >>>> >>>> >>>> 35195 is a DNA sample for Bill Kincaid. It comes down from >>>> Samuel >>>> Kincaid of early Augusta Co. though his son Samuel Kincaid/wife >>>> Margaret >>>> Clark. >>>> This sample is now listed with Group C, Set 2, and suggests a >>>> close relationship between Samuel Kincaid and Ruth Cherecwich's >>>> favorite >>>> ancestor George Kincaid/Elizabeth Dean. >>>> Perhaps Samuel and George are brothers, perhaps not, but they >>>> do >>>> fall into the same general age range and were in Augusta Co., VA, in >>>> the >>>> mid-1700s. They are among our earliest Kincaids. >>>> This may help explain the Group C results for ancestors Isaiah >>>> Kincaid (1262) and Robert L. Kincaid (2305) who both were born in VA >>>> but >>>> first surface in OH. >>>> Bill has a nice website where his ancestry is outlined at >>>> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4756/ >>>> >>>> >>>> 48219 is a DNA sample coming down from George Washington >>>> Kincaid/Mary Catherine Campbell of Fayette and Roane Cos., WV. George >>>> Washington Kincaid lived 1818-1898. >>>> This one fell into Group A, Set 2, and is the first instance of >>>> this DNA in Virginia, for many of the members of that group and set go >>>> back to PA. >>>> According to the results, this man has no identified close >>>> relatives in VA. We obviously need more DNA samples from identified >>>> ancestors in this region, or listmember Bob Arnott will never get to go >>>> to >>>> an extended family reunion. Bob's ancestor George Washington Kincaid >>>> was >>>> born in 1818 and died in 1898. By the 1880 census of Roane Co., WV, >>>> both >>>> of his parents were born in VA. We're now looking for a Kincaid papa >>>> who >>>> was born in Virginia at some point before 1800. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> One of the things this does is tell all of us that we've got more >>>> genetic >>>> diversity in Virginia than we might have thought. Sue has already >>>> pointed >>>> out that there could well have been several waves of Kincaid >>>> immigration >>>> into VA. These "new" DNA lineages could have been in PA or elsewhere >>>> for >>>> a >>>> time, or they could have come more directly from Europe. >>>> >>>> >>>> UPHEAVAL IN FAYETTE CO., WV >>>> >>>> The new results rule out the possibility that Toney Kincaid (33001 - >>>> Group >>>> A, Set 3) could descend from the Samuel Kincaids of Anthony Creek >>>> (49351 - >>>> Group C, Set 2). Toney's lineage has a marriage bond in Greenbrier Co. >>>> in >>>> 1815 on which a Samuel Kincaid gives permission for "my son" Thomas to >>>> marry Polly Davis. The only remaining Samuel in Greenbrier about whom >>>> we >>>> have any knowledge and who is old enough to be the father of Thomas >>>> seems >>>> to be the Samuel Kincaid who married Mary Tincher, Hulda Osborn, and >>>> Diana >>>> Ewing. >>>> >>>> Whoa, we might have expected any DNA coming down from marriage-minded >>>> Samuel to fall into Group A, Set 1. This puts Fayette Co., WV, into a >>>> snarl. >>>> >>>> It has been thought by Kincaid researchers for a very long time that >>>> Samuel was probably a brother to Rev.War pensioner John >>>> Kincaid/Elizabeth >>>> Hannah Gillespie (30078 and 36856 - DNA results coming down from James >>>> Gillespie Kincaid/Mary Tritt). >>>> >>>> Previous scenarios have theorized that both Samuel and Rev War John >>>> were >>>> sons to Thomas Kincaid/Hannah Tincher. But if Toney is Set 3, and 30078 >>>> and 36856 are Set 1, the brother theory is out the window. We need to >>>> re-analyze the records AND get some different DNA samples out of early >>>> Virginia/West Virginia ancestors. >>>> >>>> To this is added the point that George Washington Kincaid/Mary >>>> Catherine >>>> Campbell (who married in Fayette Co. in 1841) have an entirely >>>> different >>>> set of DNA results than we have previously found in the area, so now we >>>> have a burning need to find a father for him. >>>> >>>> Fayette Co. turns out to be a melting pot of many different Kincaid >>>> lines. >>>> Research there should proceed with caution. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> UPCOMING RESULTS** >>>> >>>> 22 Feb for 37-marker upgrades >>>> 1257 Archibald Kincaid/Rachel >>>> Hicklin >>>> of Augusta Co., VA >>>> >>>> 1 March for 37-marker upgrades >>>> 11207 James Kincade/Elizabeth Church >>>> of >>>> Franklin & Lewis Cos., TN >>>> 18496 James H. Kincaid/Caroline >>>> McKimsey >>>> of Bedford Co., TN & MO >>>> 47327 Ted Tomlinson of MI >>>> 5850 Arthur Perry Kincaid of IL >>>> 5806 Francis Kincaid/Isabella >>>> Markel >>>> of Tippecanoe, Benton and Warren Cos., IN >>>> >>>> 3 March for 12 markers >>>> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our >>>> first >>>> Maine Kincaid line >>>> >>>> 10 March for 12 markers >>>> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >>>> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >>>> >>>> 15 March for 37-marker upgrade >>>> 44937 Robert Kincaid/Margaret Doherty >>>> of >>>> Alleghany Co., PA >>>> >>>> 17 March for 25 & 37 markers >>>> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our >>>> first >>>> Maine Kincaid line >>>> >>>> 24 March for 25 & 37 markers >>>> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >>>> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >>>> >>>> About 1 April (no date set yet by FTDNA) (37 marker test) >>>> 51828 L.C. Kincaid - descendant of >>>> David >>>> Kincaid/Lucy Riggins of Maury Co., TN >>>> >>>> >>>> ** The extended 37-marker results for 15779 (Group A, Set 3), on John >>>> Adams Kincaid of Murray Co., GA, will not be coming back as scheduled >>>> on >>>> Feb 22. The lab was not able to culture the existing sample and sent >>>> out >>>> a >>>> kit for a new sample. The original sample came from the uncle of Joel >>>> Warren, but the gentleman in question is now deceased. FTDNA says it >>>> will >>>> try testing the first sample again, but in case that is not possible, >>>> we're looking for the nearest living Kincaid relative of that lineage >>>> to >>>> do a new test. >>>> >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Will the following listmembers please contact me in a private message, >>>> for >>>> I have some sort of housekeeping details to clear up with each of you: >>>> >>>> Ruth Cherecwich >>>> Deanne Kincaid >>>> Carol Roy >>>> Brenda Beatty >>>> Bill Kincaid whk925@comcast.net >>>> Sue Stewart >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> DESPERATE PLEA >>>> >>>> I'll say it once again. We must add more DNA participants. We do not >>>> need >>>> new samples from ancestors whose DNA has already been typed, but we do >>>> need new participants whose lineage is in question. >>>> >>>> You can help in 2 ways. >>>> >>>> 1. You can take it upon yourselves to locate living Kincaid males >>>> whose >>>> DNA lineage might add to our knowledge. >>>> >>>> 2. You can donate all or part of the cost of a DNA test, for many >>>> living >>>> Kincaid males have no interest in family history and wouldn't think to >>>> join the project at any cost. >>>> >>>> You're not safe from being dunned for a donation if you're a male whose >>>> surname isn't Kincaid or if you're female. You should consider making a >>>> donation so that an appropriate DNA test for your problem ancestor can >>>> be >>>> covered. >>>> >>>> If you won't help, who will? >>>> >>>> Leslie >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== >>>> THE KINCAID RESEARCHER >>>> www.alphalink.com.au/~kincaid >>>> >>>> >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm still slowing pursuing some additional candidates for DNA testing that may shed some light on this confusion. One is another descendant of George W. Kincaid of Fayette and Roane Counties WV and the second is a descendant of Thomas/Lucinda Claypool. The latter has been very difficult and unresponsive but we should pursue!! Unless someone has information to the contrary Thomas is believed to be buried in Roane County beside his brother Thomas. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Liedtke Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:41 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies We have not found a marriage bond for Thomas/Mary Withrow. We also have seen no evidence that the Thomas of Lewis Co. was married to a Mary Withrow. Thomas of Lewis Co.'s death information does indicate that he was a son of an "S" and born in Greenbrier Co. which is why he probably became attached to Samuel of the 3 wives. In 1850 Thomas of Lewis Co. says he is 49. (Thomas/Polly m 1815 with parental permission. He first appears on tax lists under his own name (designated as son of Sam) in 1815. Census info suggests a birthdate1795-99. 1795 is most reasonable). There are other Samuels in Greenbrier but some of them can be eliminated immediately. The best bet is Samuel, son of Samuel/Margaret Clark of Anthony Creek who appears on tax lists in 1802. If indeed this Thomas sired any children and is the son of this Samuel, their DNA would be Group C and vastly different then any of the Fayette Co. Kincaids who are all Group A. If the children of Lucinda Claypool are not his they will not match any Kincaid DNA) There were Withrows associated with James/Rosanna Baird who seems to be closely associated with George/Margaret Rennick who is closely associated with Samuel/Margaret Clark. The apparent connection between George W/Mary Campbell and Thomas/Isabella Campbell may be because they married sisters. There is a good possibility that Thomas/Isabella is the son of Thomas/Polly Davis as he did buy land which Thomas, son of Samuel, owned at one time. It may be worth your time to try tracking down a male descendent of Thomas/Isabella/Eliza. This may not be as hard as it seems. In the 1880 census he is listed with sons John M. age 20, Willie age 16, A. Judson age 4. In 1870 there are males Daniel G. 19, Curtis M 17, and George V. 13 in his household as well as John M and Willie. You should be able to follow these males using the 1900-1930 censuses. Some of them and their sons should be on the Social Security Death index which would lead you to obits which may lead you to living males. George Vanner died in 1952. In 1880 he has one daughter. Curtis m Mary R. Sims and died prior 1932. In 1880 he has son Lonzo 2 in his household. Daniel Augsustus m Susie Kious. He has only daughters in his 1880 household. He was still alive in 1933 when she died. John Morton is listed in the 1900 census with sons George M 16, Auguster 12, Earnest 6, and John newborn. Toney have you done any further tracking of this family? Good luck, Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" <carol60@mindspring.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > Sue > OH my goodness > Back to square one..almost. I had a feeling i was on the wrong track but i > wasn't sure .You explained it better than i have seen. I didin't realize > there were 2 Mary's (Polly)same age. Do you know where or how Mary Withrow > fits into the picture if at all. > > My line is through women sooo that's not an option. Any test would have to > come from another one of Thomas' and Isabella children who ever they may > be > or desendents of Thomas and Eliza Townsend(2nd wife) > > Thank you for sitting me straight > > Will be off line for awhile.Will check archives soon > > Carol > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > > >> Carol, Forget the infamous Mt Tom ran off with Lucinda Claypool story. >> Until >> we can get a DNA sample from this "second" family, there is nothing >> beyond >> the legend to suggest that Thomas/Polly Davis of Fayette Co. WVA was the >> same Thomas who shows up with Lucinda Claypool in his household in Lewis >> Co. >> WVA in 1850. Lucinda says that she is "daughter" to this Thomas when >> reporting his death. The ages of the 2 Thomases do not match. The Lewis >> Co. >> Thomas has a Mary who is of an age to be his wife in 1850, while your >> Thomas/Isabella has a Mary, widow, in his household in 1850 who is of an >> age >> to be his mother. The same woman would not be in 2 places at one time. >> >> The only proven son of Thomas/Polly Davis is William/Harriet/Susan. >> #33001 >> in the DNA project is vetted to Thomas/Polly through William who says his >> parents are Thomas Kincaid & Polly Davis on his marriage record to Susan. >> DNA #101753 has a good case to Harvey and is lacking just a bit of >> evidence >> to connect to Thomas/Polly. #33001 has a mutation which matches other >> Kincaids that #101753 does not. This mutation may have occured downline >> from >> Thomas/Polly. DNA from a descendent of George W/Mary Campbell (#49289) >> does >> not match #33001 or #101753. It is unlikely (but not impossible) that his >> mutation occured downline from other Kincaids who share the mutation. If >> it >> is at all possible a DNA sample from your line of Thomas/Isabella >> Campbell >> would help clear up whether he is a possible son of Thomas/Polly or not. >> Certainly his paper trail would indicate that he is but the Fayette area >> is >> quite confusing and he always refers to his mother as Mary while William >> and >> Harvey always refer to her as Polly. Since Polly is a nickname for Mary, >> the >> different names are not a big hinderance but should be addressed. >> >> Thomas/Polly Davis looks from paperwork like he is the son of Samuel/Mary >> Tincher/Hilda Osborne/Diana Ewing. Who looks from paperwork like he is >> the >> son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. His marriage bonds state he is son of a >> Samuel >> and his age and location suggest he is the Thomas mentioned as son of >> Samuel >> of the 3 wives mentioned in court proceedings. By the way, the existance >> of >> a second Thomas, son of Samuel of the 3 wives is also in question. >> Thomas/Sarah is named in the deed partioning the land of Samuel of the 3 >> wives but the informant on Sarah's death certificate indicates that it is >> she who is the daughter of Thomas/Hilda Osbourne and heir of Samuel >> rather >> than this Thomas. >> >> Again, the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids are confusing and a DNA sample >> from >> your line would be most welcome. Much has been discussed on list about >> this >> family. Now that the archives are functional again it might be of benefit >> to >> you to review all posts about the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carol" <carol60@mindspring.com> >> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies >> >> >>> Dear list and Leslie >>> >>> In reply to an old message >>> >>> IFFFF I'm right....i have George Washington Kincaid's parents as Thomas >>> Kincaid(the imfamous Mountain Tom who deserted his 1st wife,Mary(Polly) >>> Withrow) and ran off with a Lucinda Claypool). Mary was George W's >>> mother. >>> >>> If i have this all messed up, please let me know >>> >>> I have as Mt Tom's children with Mary >>> Thomas (my Line) >>> George Washington >>> William >>> Harvey >>> Andrew >>> Levi Lewis >>> Mary Catherine >>> Manser >>> >>> I have George Washington Kincaid's children >>> Rufus A >>> Sarah Martha >>> Isa Belle >>> Mary C >>> George William >>> Va Margaret >>> Daniel Thomas >>> Emily Frances >>> >>> Many thanks >>> Carol in Va >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Leslie McConachie" <lesliesc@earthlink.net> >>> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:03 PM >>> Subject: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies >>> >>> >>>> Hello to each of you, >>>> >>>> >>>> NEW RESULTS >>>> >>>> Yesterday we got new DNA results on samples 48219 and 35195. (These >>>> were >>>> even 10 days early!) >>>> >>>> >>>> 35195 is a DNA sample for Bill Kincaid. It comes down from >>>> Samuel >>>> Kincaid of early Augusta Co. though his son Samuel Kincaid/wife >>>> Margaret >>>> Clark. >>>> This sample is now listed with Group C, Set 2, and suggests a >>>> close relationship between Samuel Kincaid and Ruth Cherecwich's >>>> favorite >>>> ancestor George Kincaid/Elizabeth Dean. >>>> Perhaps Samuel and George are brothers, perhaps not, but they >>>> do >>>> fall into the same general age range and were in Augusta Co., VA, in >>>> the >>>> mid-1700s. They are among our earliest Kincaids. >>>> This may help explain the Group C results for ancestors Isaiah >>>> Kincaid (1262) and Robert L. Kincaid (2305) who both were born in VA >>>> but >>>> first surface in OH. >>>> Bill has a nice website where his ancestry is outlined at >>>> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4756/ >>>> >>>> >>>> 48219 is a DNA sample coming down from George Washington >>>> Kincaid/Mary Catherine Campbell of Fayette and Roane Cos., WV. George >>>> Washington Kincaid lived 1818-1898. >>>> This one fell into Group A, Set 2, and is the first instance of >>>> this DNA in Virginia, for many of the members of that group and set go >>>> back to PA. >>>> According to the results, this man has no identified close >>>> relatives in VA. We obviously need more DNA samples from identified >>>> ancestors in this region, or listmember Bob Arnott will never get to go >>>> to >>>> an extended family reunion. Bob's ancestor George Washington Kincaid >>>> was >>>> born in 1818 and died in 1898. By the 1880 census of Roane Co., WV, >>>> both >>>> of his parents were born in VA. We're now looking for a Kincaid papa >>>> who >>>> was born in Virginia at some point before 1800. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> One of the things this does is tell all of us that we've got more >>>> genetic >>>> diversity in Virginia than we might have thought. Sue has already >>>> pointed >>>> out that there could well have been several waves of Kincaid >>>> immigration >>>> into VA. These "new" DNA lineages could have been in PA or elsewhere >>>> for >>>> a >>>> time, or they could have come more directly from Europe. >>>> >>>> >>>> UPHEAVAL IN FAYETTE CO., WV >>>> >>>> The new results rule out the possibility that Toney Kincaid (33001 - >>>> Group >>>> A, Set 3) could descend from the Samuel Kincaids of Anthony Creek >>>> (49351 - >>>> Group C, Set 2). Toney's lineage has a marriage bond in Greenbrier Co. >>>> in >>>> 1815 on which a Samuel Kincaid gives permission for "my son" Thomas to >>>> marry Polly Davis. The only remaining Samuel in Greenbrier about whom >>>> we >>>> have any knowledge and who is old enough to be the father of Thomas >>>> seems >>>> to be the Samuel Kincaid who married Mary Tincher, Hulda Osborn, and >>>> Diana >>>> Ewing. >>>> >>>> Whoa, we might have expected any DNA coming down from marriage-minded >>>> Samuel to fall into Group A, Set 1. This puts Fayette Co., WV, into a >>>> snarl. >>>> >>>> It has been thought by Kincaid researchers for a very long time that >>>> Samuel was probably a brother to Rev.War pensioner John >>>> Kincaid/Elizabeth >>>> Hannah Gillespie (30078 and 36856 - DNA results coming down from James >>>> Gillespie Kincaid/Mary Tritt). >>>> >>>> Previous scenarios have theorized that both Samuel and Rev War John >>>> were >>>> sons to Thomas Kincaid/Hannah Tincher. But if Toney is Set 3, and 30078 >>>> and 36856 are Set 1, the brother theory is out the window. We need to >>>> re-analyze the records AND get some different DNA samples out of early >>>> Virginia/West Virginia ancestors. >>>> >>>> To this is added the point that George Washington Kincaid/Mary >>>> Catherine >>>> Campbell (who married in Fayette Co. in 1841) have an entirely >>>> different >>>> set of DNA results than we have previously found in the area, so now we >>>> have a burning need to find a father for him. >>>> >>>> Fayette Co. turns out to be a melting pot of many different Kincaid >>>> lines. >>>> Research there should proceed with caution. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> UPCOMING RESULTS** >>>> >>>> 22 Feb for 37-marker upgrades >>>> 1257 Archibald Kincaid/Rachel >>>> Hicklin >>>> of Augusta Co., VA >>>> >>>> 1 March for 37-marker upgrades >>>> 11207 James Kincade/Elizabeth Church >>>> of >>>> Franklin & Lewis Cos., TN >>>> 18496 James H. Kincaid/Caroline >>>> McKimsey >>>> of Bedford Co., TN & MO >>>> 47327 Ted Tomlinson of MI >>>> 5850 Arthur Perry Kincaid of IL >>>> 5806 Francis Kincaid/Isabella >>>> Markel >>>> of Tippecanoe, Benton and Warren Cos., IN >>>> >>>> 3 March for 12 markers >>>> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our >>>> first >>>> Maine Kincaid line >>>> >>>> 10 March for 12 markers >>>> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >>>> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >>>> >>>> 15 March for 37-marker upgrade >>>> 44937 Robert Kincaid/Margaret Doherty >>>> of >>>> Alleghany Co., PA >>>> >>>> 17 March for 25 & 37 markers >>>> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our >>>> first >>>> Maine Kincaid line >>>> >>>> 24 March for 25 & 37 markers >>>> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >>>> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >>>> >>>> About 1 April (no date set yet by FTDNA) (37 marker test) >>>> 51828 L.C. Kincaid - descendant of >>>> David >>>> Kincaid/Lucy Riggins of Maury Co., TN >>>> >>>> >>>> ** The extended 37-marker results for 15779 (Group A, Set 3), on John >>>> Adams Kincaid of Murray Co., GA, will not be coming back as scheduled >>>> on >>>> Feb 22. The lab was not able to culture the existing sample and sent >>>> out >>>> a >>>> kit for a new sample. The original sample came from the uncle of Joel >>>> Warren, but the gentleman in question is now deceased. FTDNA says it >>>> will >>>> try testing the first sample again, but in case that is not possible, >>>> we're looking for the nearest living Kincaid relative of that lineage >>>> to >>>> do a new test. >>>> >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Will the following listmembers please contact me in a private message, >>>> for >>>> I have some sort of housekeeping details to clear up with each of you: >>>> >>>> Ruth Cherecwich >>>> Deanne Kincaid >>>> Carol Roy >>>> Brenda Beatty >>>> Bill Kincaid whk925@comcast.net >>>> Sue Stewart >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> DESPERATE PLEA >>>> >>>> I'll say it once again. We must add more DNA participants. We do not >>>> need >>>> new samples from ancestors whose DNA has already been typed, but we do >>>> need new participants whose lineage is in question. >>>> >>>> You can help in 2 ways. >>>> >>>> 1. You can take it upon yourselves to locate living Kincaid males >>>> whose >>>> DNA lineage might add to our knowledge. >>>> >>>> 2. You can donate all or part of the cost of a DNA test, for many >>>> living >>>> Kincaid males have no interest in family history and wouldn't think to >>>> join the project at any cost. >>>> >>>> You're not safe from being dunned for a donation if you're a male whose >>>> surname isn't Kincaid or if you're female. You should consider making a >>>> donation so that an appropriate DNA test for your problem ancestor can >>>> be >>>> covered. >>>> >>>> If you won't help, who will? >>>> >>>> Leslie >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== >>>> THE KINCAID RESEARCHER >>>> www.alphalink.com.au/~kincaid >>>> >>>> >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message