Without a web page devoted to the DNA study, where would such a chart be housed so that all could access it. Alice has very kindly been hosting the chart itself but we cannot ask her to use more space to add more explanatory information. If there is someone who has the time and expertise to create a webpage then a chart like displayed at the Duncan site would be do-able though our chart would be a bit more complicated. Although we have several lines represented with multiple participants most of the lines hit a brick wall before connecting with any degree of accuracy to a common ancestor. It has long been a desire that all linkages, vetted and otherwise be disclosed for each participant. This would certainly be an advantage to others trying to connect in and to others researching specific locations. Here again we have the access problem. We also have another problem in that until we started vetting to the list the lineages of participants were not publically disclosed. While Peter may be able to fill us in on participants who joined during his tenure as administrator, Leslie did not share information she received from those who joined during her tenure. We do not have linkage information for the lines she vetted much less those lines that are not vetted. Quit frankly it is difficult to get each participant to disclose their lineage information, some have gone on to other pursuits, others have died, some where recruited to represent a particular ancestor but though willing to donate DNA have little interest in disclosing publically their lineage or pursuing further connections and many do not have the time to gather the needed information. I am reluctant to further expand the chart as it is already so large and as we gain further participants will even become larger. I would not rule out producing another chart with the repetitions eliminated or, as more connections are proven, doing some revamping of the present chart to add additional information where the common earliest ancestor is repeated on several lines. Unfortunately, at this time, doing this would not help a great deal as we have implicated but unproven connections in many cases. What I can do is, as I have time, use the summary technique and list posts to show the state of research in each group-set. However, in doing so, I would be using my viewpoint which may not be accurate. I would like to encourage all those who have not gone through the vetting process to do so and those who were vetted by Leslie to disclose the linkages to their vetted ancestor. We could do a whole lot more if we had a dedicated web-page. Any takers?? Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Chart Summary Thanks, Sue for the summary. I found a chart at the Duncan Roots.com webpage and it has an interesting chart format that might be of use to our project. See the link here: http://dsa.duncanroots.com/Clan_News/DNAreport2007.1.htm I find this chart makes it clearer to me who is the common ancestor or likely common ancestor. If that link doesn't work go here and then to DNA report 2007.1 http://www.dsa.duncanroots.com/ Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:16:06 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Chart Summary The following is a summary of Groups and sets in the DNA chart. A-1 information was posted earlier but is included her for continuity. Group A has the largest number of participants. This may be due to the higher interest of descendents of colonial ancestors in genealogy though there are participants whose ancestors did not migrate to N America. Set 1 has a 10 at marker 15. I have chosen values from this set to represent the Apparent Ancestral Values for the entire group. Others have suggested that the AAV for marker 15 should be 9. Additional participants and documents may show us better which is correct. A-1a-- about 1/2 of the ancestors in this set can be traced to Augusta/Greenbrier Co. VA. This area is very complicated and the number of participants reflects an attempt to use every tool possible to sort the families. The rest of the set is scattered with the earliest ancestors being Rev. Joseph b c1724 Co. Down, Ireland and William/Sarah b c 1700 of New Castle, DE. Other participants have traced to Westmoreland Co. PA, NJ, Monongalia Co VA, Cecil Co. MD, Tippecanoe and Crawford Co. IN A-1b-- subgrouped by appearance of a 12 at marker 26. The earliest ancestor is Joseph m c 1726 of Albemarle Co. VA, probable connections to John of Sadsbury PA through sons Samuel b 1736 and David, and possible connection to John the Patriarch b 1710 of Burke Co. NC. There is also probable connection to David/Winnefred of Alb. Co. VA. Others trace to Lewis Co. TN, Morgan Co. OH and various KY counties. A-1c-- subgrouped by appearance of an 11 at marker 4. This set may or may not be related more closely to each other than to someone in A-1a. The marker 4 eleven is an unreliable indicator. In this set are 3 who trace to Robert/Mary Bowman b 1742 of Hardin Co. KY, 2 who trace to Thomas and John of Campbell Co. TN (originally from Greenbrier Co. VA), two more who trace to Greenbrier Co. VA, one who traces to Ontario, Canada, one to Gilmer Co. GA, and the earliest of the set to James/Helen Scott of Falkirk Parish Scotland (d 1669). Group A-2. Set 2 and 4 is distinguished from set 1 by a 9 at marker 15. A-2a. Earliest ancestor is George/Jean Mitchell b 1733 of Cumberland Co. PA. One ancestor Samuel/Johanna Walch b 1811 did not leave Ireland. Other members from Fayette Co. WVA and Westmoreland Co. PA A-2b This set has an 18 a marker 30. Earliest ancestors are James/Hannah b 1739 of Rowan Co. NC , Andrew/Martha Townsley b 1745 of Cumberland Co. PA and John/Anna Gregory b 1749 of PA (perhaps son of John of Carlisle). Later ancestors show up in Maury and Wilson Cos. TN. A-4 This set has a 14 at marker 19 and a 36 at marker 34. Four participants descend from David/Elizabeth Gardiner b 1798 who migrated from Londonderry, Ireland to New Brunswick, Canada. Three of these were recruited to successfully isolate mutations. The others are associated with Co. Tyrone, Ireland. Two of these descend from a suspected brother of David. A-undetermined. One participant has not upgraded to 37 markers. He is set 2 but the subset cannot be determined. Another particpant has results for markers 1-12 so his set cannot be determined. Group B The earliest participant is vetted to John/Margaret Blair b 1748 of Campsie Parish Scotland. The other 3 trace to Tyrone and Donegal Cos Ireland. Group C-1 All but one participant trace to Donegal Co., Ireland. Three of these trace to John/Catherin Coulter b 1759. One participant traces to Indiana. Group C-2. This Group may not be genetically linked to C-1, however, the C designation has been retained for both groups because of early use within the project. The earliest ancestors for this group trace to George/Elizabeth Dean b c1720 of Augusta Co. VA, Samuel/Margaret Clark b c1717 of Augusta Co. Va and Robert/Margaret Doherty of m pr1745 of Alleghany Co. PA. Others trace to Washington Co. PA, Harrison Co., KY, Jackson Co, OH, Washington Co., OH and Muscatine Co. IA. Group D. Two participants trace to John/Elizabeth b c1730 of Bath Co. VA (John of Bath) and two participants trace to William/Sarah Smith b 1806 of Gasconade Co. MO Group E. Two participants. Each trace to Alexander Kinket b 1710 of Dordreicht Netherlands Group F. Two participants. Only one with listed ancestor. He traces to James/Janet Manuel b 1739 of Stirlingshire, Scotland Group G. Two participants who are not closely matched but share enough likenesses that they appear to be from the same stalk. One traces to James/Jane Watson b 1800 of Tyrone Co. Ireland and the other to Robert/Isabella Nutt b 1855 Londonderry Ireland Group H. Two participants in Haplogroup E3b. One has not upgraded from 12 markers and has no ancestor named. The other traces to David/Ann Tozieer Jenkins of New Hampshire. Ungrouped. These participants have no match within the project. This may be due to an unknown break in the Kincaid male lineage or that other participants have not surfaced from this particular line. Among this group are participants tracing to Charles/Apphia b 1804 of Cumberland Co. Maine, George/Margaret b 1825 of New York, New York, Thomas b 1745 of Indiana, Thomas/Mary Echkels b 1802 of Coschocton, OH, and James Torrance/Mary Moor b 1800 of Alleghany Co. PA. Sue Liedtke To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message

Treasa, the numbers are entered in the master chart and will appear the next time I send the chart to Alice. We have several upgrades to 67 markers that are due back from the lab soon. I would like to wait until these appear before sending a new chart. Since there have been no questions or objections voiced for linkages in the vetting post for #11207 (A-1b), I have marked this line as vetted to James Kincade b 1797 and Elizabeth Church of Lewis Co. TN. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Treasa Brookman" <tbrook@hamiltoncom.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA results #4323, #35915 > Thanks, Sue. When will the numbers be added to the chart? Inquiring minds > want to know. Ha! Thanks for all you do. I like the Chart Summary. > Treasa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:59 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] DNA results #4323, #35915 > > >> Yes, Treasa all the results for #4323's (A-2b) upgrade to 67 have been >> returned. They match the Apparent Ancestral Values at every marker in >> this >> range. >> >> Results are starting to be returned for #35915's (C-2) upgrade to 67 >> markers. The 38-47 has been returned. The values match the AAV for his >> group. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Treasa Brookman" <tbrook@hamiltoncom.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Bill Kincaid >> >> >>> Sue, >>> Did all the numbers ever come in for # 4323? I have not seen them posted >>> nor >>> did I hear from FTDA. I saw you respond to some of them. I know you are >>> busy, but just wondering. >>> Treasa # 4323 cousin from Denver, Co. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Bill Kincaid >>> >>> >>>> There are well over 100 members in the Kincaid DNA project. Most of you >>>> have >>>> given permission to have your e-mail address showing on the chart but >>>> may >>>> have forgotten to update your address on your web page AND to let >>>> either >>>> Don >>>> or me know that it needs changed on the chart. Since there are a number >>>> of >>>> participants with similar 1st names, it helps a lot if when >>>> communicating >>>> with either Don or myself you would include your kit number after your >>>> name >>>> such as Dick has done. Also helpful would be a notation of Group and >>>> set >>>> such as A-1a. The chart is huge and not in numerical order by kit so >>>> finding >>>> a specific number is sometimes a challange. >>>> >>>> It might also help to include not only the number but also the >>>> Group-set >>>> when posting to the list. I use my hard copy of the chart to remind >>>> myself >>>> which ancestor is being talked about and how they relate to others. It >>>> might >>>> be useful to those who do not have a hard copy to also have some >>>> indication >>>> as to which Group and set is being discussed. For those of you without >>>> the >>>> chart, the following is a brief summary of Group A set 1. I will follow >>>> with >>>> summaries of the other groups and sets at a later time as I am running >>>> out >>>> of time. >>>> >>>> Group A-1a-- about 1/2 of the ancestors in this set can be traced to >>>> Augusta/Greenbrier Co. VA. This area is very complicated and the number >>>> of >>>> participants reflects an attempt to use every tool possible to sort the >>>> families. The rest of the set is scattered with the earliest ancestors >>>> being >>>> Rev. Joseph b c1724 Co. Down, Ireland and William/Sarah b c 1700 of New >>>> Castle, DE. Other participants have traced to Westmoreland Co. PA, NJ, >>>> Monongalia Co VA, Cecil Co. MD, Tippecanoe and Crawford Co. IN >>>> >>>> Group A-1b-- subgrouped by appearance of a 12 at marker 26. The >>>> earliest >>>> ancestor is Joseph m c 1726 of Albemarle Co. VA, probable connections >>>> to >>>> John of Sadsbury PA through sons Samuel b 1736 and David, and possible >>>> connection to John the Patriarch b 1710 of Burke Co. NC. There is also >>>> probable connection to David/Winnefred of Alb. Co. VA. Others trace to >>>> Lewis >>>> Co. TN, Morgan Co. OH and various KY counties. >>>> >>>> Group A-1c-- subgrouped by appearance of an 11 at marker 4. This set >>>> may >>>> or >>>> may not be related more closely to each other than to someone in A-1a. >>>> The >>>> marker 4 eleven is an unreliable indicator. In this set are 3 who trace >>>> to >>>> Robert/Mary Bowman b 1742 of Hardin Co. KY, 2 who trace to Thomas and >>>> John >>>> of Campbell Co. TN (originally from Greenbrier Co. VA), two more who >>>> trace >>>> to Greenbrier Co. VA, one who traces to Ontario, Canada, one to Gilmer >>>> Co. >>>> GA, and the earliest of the set to James/Helen Scott of Falkirk Parish >>>> Scotland (d 1669). >>>> >>>> Dick I will change your e-mail to that shown below. >>>> >>>> Sue >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> >>>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Bill Kincaid >>>> >>>> >>>>> Don- Those email addresses aren't necessarily up to date. Mine >>>>> listed >>>>> was two >>>>> services ago. >>>>> >>>>> Dick Kinkead 2562 >>>>> Lantana, FL >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> >>>>> To: "Kincaid Rootsweb List" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:56 PM >>>>> Subject: [KINCAID] Bill Kincaid >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> try billkincaid@yahoo.com for N 57752 His email address shows in >>>>>> second >>>>>> column of Kincaid DNA chart. To see email addresses, either widen the >>>>>> 2nd >>>>>> column or put the cursor on his name in the 2nd column and look up in >>>>>> the >>>>>> space above to see his full name and email address. >>>>>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>>>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in >>>>>> the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1771 Joseph & Thomas Kincaid. [119921] Situate in Fawn Township in the County of York. Containing as above set forth 271 acres & 61 perches and allowance of land, originally surveyed by William Matthews, late D.S. on the 24th day of the 1st month 1771 for Archibald White. In pursuance of a warrant which was granted to Alexander McCandless (Poplar Quarter) bearing the date 6th of June 1749.... Alexander McCandless, warrant, Fawn Township, Lancaster County, PA, #639, Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS, 1733-1957, Surnames beginning with "M", p. 147. This warrant was filed before York County was formed August 17, 1749 and thus is listed in Lancaster County, PA warrants ****************** I found the above records for Alexander McCandless of interest ---Robert Kinkade of Hardin County served in the RW with John McCandless, who married Jane Mason in 1785 in Greenbrier County. Robert was a witness to John McCandless' RW service, records of John McCandless's pension file at footnote.com. John McCandless's wife Jane Mason was a daughter of William Mason of Greenbrier County. John and Jane named one of their sons Alexander. Their daughter Polly McCandless married Eber Tranor of Hardin County, who was a brother of Elizabeth and Sarah Tranor, wives of Robert Kinkade, Jr and George W Kinkade of Hardin County, DNA 5850 and 4588. Jane's sister Mary Burks was named in the RW pension file. Mary Mason was married to Nathaniel Burks, who may have been from the Burks family of Amherst County, VA. Jane Mason's brother John was married to Hannah Hutchinson, and died in LaRue County, KY in 1846. , born 1771 in Botetourt Co., Virginia172; died 1846 in LaRue Co., Virginia172; marriedHannah Hutcheson 15 Mar 1797 in Green Co., Kentucky172; born WFT Est. 1758-1784 in Virginia172;died Aft. 1846172.More About John Mason:Fact 1: 25 Sep 1846, Will dated, LaRue Co., Kentucky http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MCCANDLESS/2000-10/0971129785 http://files.usgwarchives.net/ky/hardin/military/revwar/m253002.txt This may be of interest to Tamara, Connie, and their Kincaid family: GEORGE MARLIN2 MCWHIRTER (WILLIAM1) was born October 09, 1758, and died September 21, 1836 in Wilson County, Tennessee. He married MARTHA MCCANDLESS August 29, 1782 in North Carolina, daughter of ALEXANDER MCCANDLESS and SARAH. She was born November 09, 1752 in Philadelphia,PA., and died February 21, 1835 in Wilson County, Tennessee More About GEORGE MCWHIRTER and MARTHA MCCANDLESS: Marriage: August 29, 1782, North Carolina Children of GEORGE MCWHIRTER and MARTHA MCCANDLESS are: i. WILLIAM M.3 MCWHIRTER, b. July 23, 1783; d. November 15, 1806. 3. ii. ALEXANDER HAMILTON MCCANDLESS MCWHIRTER, b. August 27, 1785, North Carolina; d. Abt. 1851, Warren County Tennessee. 4. iii. GEORGE FERRIER MCWHIRTER, b. March 28, 1788, Davidson Co. Tennessee; d. January 02, 1873, Davidson Co. Tennessee. 5. iv. SARAH MCWHIRTER, b. August 13, 1790, Tennesse. 6. v. ELIZABETH MCWHIRTER, b. September 17, 1792, Tennesse; d. June 11, 1848. 7. vi. DR DR.SAMUEL CALDWELL MCWHIRTER, b. December 28, 1794, Tennessee; d. April 02, 1856, Rutherfford Co. Tennessee. 8. vii. MARTHA PATSY MCWHIRTER, b. April 07, 1797, Tennessee; d. August 03, 1845, Winchester, Cannon County, Tennessee http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:ncT-AxG4MHUJ:members.aol.com/mcwhirterdna/15497.rtf+%22Alexander+McCandless%22+%2B+%22Chester+County%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us Barbara

I have gone through the Hamilton Bann Township warrants (Adams & York County) to see if I could find a survey that either showed Michael Kincaid's property or Robert Kincaid's property either directly or as an adjancent land owner and so far have been unable to find one. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

Thanks, Sue. When will the numbers be added to the chart? Inquiring minds want to know. Ha! Thanks for all you do. I like the Chart Summary. Treasa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: [KINCAID] DNA results #4323, #35915 > Yes, Treasa all the results for #4323's (A-2b) upgrade to 67 have been > returned. They match the Apparent Ancestral Values at every marker in this > range. > > Results are starting to be returned for #35915's (C-2) upgrade to 67 > markers. The 38-47 has been returned. The values match the AAV for his > group. > > Sue Liedtke > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Treasa Brookman" <tbrook@hamiltoncom.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:00 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Bill Kincaid > > >> Sue, >> Did all the numbers ever come in for # 4323? I have not seen them posted >> nor >> did I hear from FTDA. I saw you respond to some of them. I know you are >> busy, but just wondering. >> Treasa # 4323 cousin from Denver, Co. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Bill Kincaid >> >> >>> There are well over 100 members in the Kincaid DNA project. Most of you >>> have >>> given permission to have your e-mail address showing on the chart but >>> may >>> have forgotten to update your address on your web page AND to let either >>> Don >>> or me know that it needs changed on the chart. Since there are a number >>> of >>> participants with similar 1st names, it helps a lot if when >>> communicating >>> with either Don or myself you would include your kit number after your >>> name >>> such as Dick has done. Also helpful would be a notation of Group and set >>> such as A-1a. The chart is huge and not in numerical order by kit so >>> finding >>> a specific number is sometimes a challange. >>> >>> It might also help to include not only the number but also the Group-set >>> when posting to the list. I use my hard copy of the chart to remind >>> myself >>> which ancestor is being talked about and how they relate to others. It >>> might >>> be useful to those who do not have a hard copy to also have some >>> indication >>> as to which Group and set is being discussed. For those of you without >>> the >>> chart, the following is a brief summary of Group A set 1. I will follow >>> with >>> summaries of the other groups and sets at a later time as I am running >>> out >>> of time. >>> >>> Group A-1a-- about 1/2 of the ancestors in this set can be traced to >>> Augusta/Greenbrier Co. VA. This area is very complicated and the number >>> of >>> participants reflects an attempt to use every tool possible to sort the >>> families. The rest of the set is scattered with the earliest ancestors >>> being >>> Rev. Joseph b c1724 Co. Down, Ireland and William/Sarah b c 1700 of New >>> Castle, DE. Other participants have traced to Westmoreland Co. PA, NJ, >>> Monongalia Co VA, Cecil Co. MD, Tippecanoe and Crawford Co. IN >>> >>> Group A-1b-- subgrouped by appearance of a 12 at marker 26. The earliest >>> ancestor is Joseph m c 1726 of Albemarle Co. VA, probable connections >>> to >>> John of Sadsbury PA through sons Samuel b 1736 and David, and possible >>> connection to John the Patriarch b 1710 of Burke Co. NC. There is also >>> probable connection to David/Winnefred of Alb. Co. VA. Others trace to >>> Lewis >>> Co. TN, Morgan Co. OH and various KY counties. >>> >>> Group A-1c-- subgrouped by appearance of an 11 at marker 4. This set may >>> or >>> may not be related more closely to each other than to someone in A-1a. >>> The >>> marker 4 eleven is an unreliable indicator. In this set are 3 who trace >>> to >>> Robert/Mary Bowman b 1742 of Hardin Co. KY, 2 who trace to Thomas and >>> John >>> of Campbell Co. TN (originally from Greenbrier Co. VA), two more who >>> trace >>> to Greenbrier Co. VA, one who traces to Ontario, Canada, one to Gilmer >>> Co. >>> GA, and the earliest of the set to James/Helen Scott of Falkirk Parish >>> Scotland (d 1669). >>> >>> Dick I will change your e-mail to that shown below. >>> >>> Sue >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> >>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Bill Kincaid >>> >>> >>>> Don- Those email addresses aren't necessarily up to date. Mine listed >>>> was two >>>> services ago. >>>> >>>> Dick Kinkead 2562 >>>> Lantana, FL >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> >>>> To: "Kincaid Rootsweb List" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:56 PM >>>> Subject: [KINCAID] Bill Kincaid >>>> >>>> >>>>> try billkincaid@yahoo.com for N 57752 His email address shows in >>>>> second >>>>> column of Kincaid DNA chart. To see email addresses, either widen the >>>>> 2nd >>>>> column or put the cursor on his name in the 2nd column and look up in >>>>> the >>>>> space above to see his full name and email address. >>>>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in >>>>> the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Ruth, Sory, to hear of your lost. Loseing a mother is great lost, I have been their just a couple of years ago, my life has not been the same, since I lost my mother. it is a great lost. Always a friend , Sarah > From: thelmamarie55@earthlink.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:11:05 -0400> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Public sympathies to Ruth Cherecwich> > My heart goes out to Ruth with the loss of her mother. I can feel her pain.> Tootsie wife of late Ted 47327> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:00 AM> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Public sympathies to Ruth Cherecwich> > > > My heart is with you, Ruthie.> >> > Dick Kinkead> > Lantana, FL> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaids@primus.ca>> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:56 PM> > Subject: [KINCAID] Public sympathies to Ruth Cherecwich> >> >> >> Ruth Cherecwich has been a huge help to all of us> >> Kincaid researchers - running the Kincaid list and> >> being part of the DNA team. When she informed> >> me that her mother died yesterday my heart went> >> out to her - she being an Internet buddy for so long> >> now. I can't help but post this to the list to let others> >> know of her loss as I know there are quite a few> >> of you who really appreciate her. Our sympathies> >> to Ruth and her family.> >>> >> Peter A. Kincaid> >> Fredericton, NB, Canada> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel:> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls> >>> >>> >> -------------------------------> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in> >> the subject and the body of the message> >> > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel:> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel:> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008

I have been reviewing what has been posted and still have much to understand about the linkages made. Although no stated link is given, I can see how one, using a timeline, comes to the conclusion that Michael Kincaid of West Caln township, Chester County became the Michael Kincaid of Hamiltonban township, York County. Although no stated link is given, I can see how one, using a timeline, comes to believe that the Michael and Samuel Kincaid of Crawford County were the cousins of mentioned in Samuel Kincaid's 1776 Will. However, much is left accounted for. Samuel's brother John is unaccounted for. We also don't know for sure if the Michael Jr. mentioned in Samuel's 1776 Will was the son of Michael or another brother of Michael Sr. We also don't know for sure who the father was of the Samuel who made the Will in 1776. Michael Sr. appears to have had at least four sons based on the 1790 census. I don't see this all accounted for. Overall, I don't see the link to Sadsbury John other than proximity. I think that Sadsbury John is not the same person as West Caln John - the latter being who Michael ties to. Am I missing some better evidence? I am tempted to speculate that Michael, Robert of East Caln, and Samuel of West Caln tie to the John and James who were warranted land in 1729. It is also tempting to speculate that Sadsbury John came later (circa 1745) when he got his warrant for 200 acres. I am also tempted to speculate that Robert the weaver of West Caln is Sadsbury John's son. Robert of East Caln would be the carpenter. What are your thoughts? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:35 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaids in Westmoreland County, PA > Norman Kincaide > I believe Samuel Kinkead who died in Crawford County, PA in 1829 was the > son of Michael Kincaid. > I think Samuel preceeded his father in exploring or migrating from > Hamilton's Bann Township to Allegheny then to Crawford County, PA.

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1779 Samuel Kinkcaid, [000004] Fawn Township, York County, PA, will written March 26, 1776, proved April 30, 1779.  Last Will & Testament of Samuel Kinkead, proved April 3, 1779, Inventory filed, May 12, 1779              In the name of God, Amen, I Samuel Kinkaid [000004] being in perfect health of body and of sound   memory, blessed be God this twenty sixth day of March in the year of our Lord one thousand seven   hundred and seventy six, make and publish this my last will and testament.  In manner following that is   to say first, I give to my brother John, [000004] fifty acres of any land where it may not hurt the place    but most convenient for both places.  Next, I give to my sister Mary [000004] one hundred acres of   any place.  Next I give to my cousin Samuel Kinkaid, [000004] son to Michael Kinkaid, [000004]   one hundred acres of my land near Pitchburgh  (This was difficult to read and could have been Pittsburgh)   on Petters Creek.  Next I give to my cousin Michael Kinkaid [000004] all my chattels and goods he     has now in his possesion.  And I do make and ordain my cousin Michael Kinkaid [000004] to be my   whole executor of this my last will and testament in trust for the intention and purpose in this my will   contained and in witness where of I the  said Samuel Kinkaid [000004] have to this my last will and   testament set my hand and seal the day and year above mentioned.    Signed, sealed and delivered in the presence of us. Samuel Kinkaid [000004] Hugh Artens John Shultz York County               Before me Archibald McClean, Register for the Probate of Will and granting letters of administration in   and for the County of York in the Commonwealth of  Pennsylvania personally came Hugh Artens and John   Shultz the two subscribing witnesses to the foregoing instrument of writing and on their solemn oaths in the   common form of law do severally and respectively testify that they were personally present at the time when   the before named Samuel Kinkead [000004]executed the before written instrument of writing, but do not   particularly recollect his signing or sealing or publishing the same.  But he, the said Samuel Kinkead being   then engaged as a soldier in the Continental Service, they effectively understood it to be his last will and   testament, which he then made  before he would march.  That the names Hugh Artens and John Shultz are    respectively of the said deponents own hand writing and that they respectively are fully assured that they   would not have signed their names there to as witnesses unless they had seen the same signed, sealed and   published, the further that the said Samuel Kinkead [000004] was at that time of sound and disposing mind    memory and understanding to the best of their knowledge and belief, and farther that they did sign their names   there to in his presence and also in the presence of each other. Sworn and Subscribed before me at York the 30th day of April 1779 Hugh Artens John Shultz Arch McClean Reg. Copy of original from the York County, PA Archives In reading Samuel Kinkead's will I do not see a Michael Kincaid Jr.  Only cousin Michael who is the father of Samuel.  I do not know who John Kinkead the brother is.  I believe that the Mary Kinkead in the will is the Mary Kinkead of Bedford County.  I have thought that the John the brother and Samuel Kinkead who wrote the will could be the John and Samuel baptized below.  But I do not have enough evidence to know for sure. I have not been able to account for all of the John Kincaids in Pennsylvania, although I continue to uncover evidence, particularly during my unemployment I have had considerable time to devote to this endeavor.  But a trip to Pennsylvania is not financially possible this year or the forseeable future.  But I make the best assumptions I can based upon my historical training. 1751 John Kincaid, [000004] son of John Kincaid, [000004] baptized by Rev. John Culbertson, Middle Octoraro Society,  Bart Township, Lancaster County, PA, Sept. 8, 1751. Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society, Lancaster, PA. 1753 Samuel Kinkead, [000004] son of John Kinkead, baptized by Rev. John Culbertson, Middle Octoraro Society, Bart Township, Lancaster County, PA, on August 12, 1753. Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society, Lancaster, PA I have made assumptions based upon the scant evidence available for Michael Kincaid's line.  It is not a common name among the Kincaids and highly unlikely that there would be several Michael Kincaids running around Pennsylvania or the border with Maryland.   John Kinkead of Sadsbury didn't have a son Robert as far as I know.  No Robert Kinkead was named in his will. I believe that either Robert the Weaver or Robert the Carpenter (Robert Kincaid who married Susannah Powell is the Robert Kincaid in Hamilton's Ban Township but I don't know if he is the Weaver or the Carpenter) followed Michael Kincaid to Hamilton's Bann Township and that they could be brothers. As for the sons of Michael Kincaid, I believe he had at least three: Michael Kinkead later of Venango County, Samuel Kinkead who died in Crawford County, PA and Robert Kinkead who married Mary Kinkead, daughter of John Kinkead and Margaret Miles and lived in Erie Borough, Erie, PA and died there in 1842 age 60.  The only evidence is this deed in the Crawford County, PA Court House. 1801 Samuel Kincaid [000004] of Mercer County, PA purchased 250 acres from Abraham Steers on April 11, 1801; witnesses:  William Byers & Robert Kincaid [000004].  Crawford County, PA Court House, Deed Book A, p. 255. I believe Michael Kincaid died sometime between 1801 because Elizabeth Kincaid is taxed in 1806 1806 Elizabeth Kincaid [000004] taxed in Shenango Township, Crawford County, PA for 400 acres at 150, 1 cow at 8.  Crawford County,  PA Historical Society, Tax Record 1800-1817. Michael Kincaid appeared again in 1809, I believe him to be Michael Kincaid Jr. 1809 Michael Kincaid [000004] taxed in Shenango Township, Crawford County, PA for 400 acres at 250.  Crawford County, PA Historical Society,  Tax Record 1800-1817. 1820 Michal Kincade, [000004] Shenango Township, Crawford County, PA, 1 male 26-44,1 male under 10, 2 females under 10, 1 female  16-25. USFC, p. 54A. 1820 Samuel Kincade, [000004] Meadville, Crawford County, PA 1 male over 44, 3 females under 10, 3 females 10-15, 1 female 26-44.  USFC, p. 48. 1820 Robert Kinkead, [000004] Erie Township, Erie County, PA, 1 male 26-44, 1 male 10-15, 1 male under 10, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-15. USFC 1830 Robert Kincaid, [000004] Erie Borough, Erie County, PA, 1 male 40-50, 2 male 5-10, 1 female 40-50, 1 female 30-40, 2 females 20-30, 2 females 5-10, 1 female under 5. USFC, p. 247. 1840 Michael Kincade, [000004] Canal Township, Venango County, PA 1 male 60-70. USFC, 102. In the end I believe that the Michael Kincaid line intermarried with my line in Erie County, PA. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

1744 John Kinkead, [37382] of Sadsbury Township, May 29, 1744,   “It is ordered that the said Township of West Caln shall be bounded and Limited as followeth viz Beginning at a Black oak by the West Branch of Brandywine Creek at the northwest corner of Joseph Darlington’s Land, . . . thence along a line between the land of the said Wm. Ferguson and Adam Leech and the land of Robert Sandford to the said Sandfords south West corner black oak and from thence along the southern boundaries of the Lands of the said Robert Sandford, John Williams, Hugh Cowen & John Kinkead [37382] to a Black oak at the South East corner of the said Kinkead’s land from thence due east to the western branch of Brandywine Creek thence up the same to the first mentioned black oak. It is further ordered that the Plantations of Walter Guilkey, William Ferguson, and Adam Leech and all other seats andImprovements lying on the Valley Mountain to the south of the Southern boundaries of the said Township of West Caln shallBelong to the Township of Sadsbury in the County of Chester and are hereby Annexed to the same.” History of Chester County, Pennsylvania, Futhey & Cope, p. 168. West Caln was called West Caln before it was created in 1744, the township bordered John Kinkead's property in Sadsbury Township. I believe the John Kinkead below to be John Kinkead Sr. of Sadsbury Township 1763 John Kinkead [37382] of Wilmington, New Castle County, Delaware stands bound to Mary Way of West Caln Township, Chester County, PA for 700 pounds on condition of payment of 350 pounds plus interest on August 1, 1766. To secure this debt John Kinkead [37382] granted to Mary Way the grist mill & 2 tracts of land in West Caln Township, Chester County, PA containing 5 acres & 45 acres, which Mary Way deeded to John Kinkead, [37382] April 11, 1763. Date of deed,  April 12, 1763, recorded, September 22, 1763. I believe that the Samuel Kinkead below is the son of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township and the same John who purchased the 50 acres and grist mill from Mary Way. 1765 Samuel Kinkead [119921] taxed in West Caln Township, Chester County, PA for 100 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows, 5 sheep. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 11, p. 87. I believe that Samuel either assumed the mortgage or purchased the 50 acres from his father John Kinkead sometime between 1765 and 1771.  When I was at the Chester County Archives and Record Service I did not come across a deed of sale between Samuel Kinkead and Caleb Way or Samuel Kinkead and John Kinkead or Mary Way. He then sold the 50 acres to Caleb Way. Caleb Way's property in West Caln borders that of Charles Kinkead, deceased, in Sadsbury Township. 1811 Charles Kinkead, [000019] deceased, land late of, adjoining land warranted to Caleb Way, West Caln Township, Chester County, PA June 1, 1787, 141 acres, 53 perches, surveyed May 25, 1811, other adjacent land owners, John Withrow, Isaac Yearsley, late  John Ramsay, Thomas Mee, formerly, Michael Baldridge, and Caleb Way.  The above draft describes a tract of land situate in  West Caln Township, Chester County, PA, containing 141 acres, 53 perches & allowance of six per cent.  Note, I am unable to ascertain how long the above described tract of land has been improved.  The old settlers adjoining are principally dead and removed.  It is rough hilly & somewhat broken, which renders it out of my power to form a correct opinion from observation.  I must therefore refer you for information to the application in the secretary’s office.  Andrew Porter, Esquire, Surveyor General.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, D-33, p. 56. 1812 Samuel Kinkead, [119921] 51 ¾ of land bought of Samuel Kinkead [119921] to son Jacob Way, in Caleb Way’s will, of West Caln, Chester County, PA, will written, March 28, 1812, proved, Nov. 20, 1812.  Chester County Will Abstracts, 1801-1825, p. 174. I believe that Samuel Kinkead, son of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township moved to Fawn Township, York County after the purchase of 270 acres in Fawn Township. 1771 Joseph & Thomas Kincaid.  [119921] Situate in Fawn Township in the County of York.  Containing as above set forth 271 acres & 61 perches and allowance of land, originally surveyed by William Matthews, late D.S. on the 24th day of the 1st month 1771 for Archibald White. In pursuance of a warrant which was granted to Alexander McCandless (Poplar Quarter) bearing the date 6th of June 1749.  And now on the 16th day of June 1813 the same has been calculated examined & found to be correct and at the request of the present owner Joseph & Thomas Kincaid, [119921] the same is returned for confirmation.  Adjacent land owners: Joseph Ross, Barrens, William Smilee, Barrens, Barrens, Thomas Brannon, Per Jacob Spangler, D.S.  To Andrew Porter, Esq’r.  Surveyor General, Harrisburg.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912,Vol. B-9, p. 12. Alexander McCandless, warrant, Fawn Township, Lancaster County, PA, #639, Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS, 1733-1957, Surnames beginning with "M", p. 147. This warrant was filed before York County was formed August 17, 1749 and thus is listed in Lancaster County, PA warrants. 1772 Samuel Kinkead [119921] bought from Archibald White 270 acres in Fawn Township, York County, PA on January 2, 1772. Charles Kincaid [ccckincaid@netzero.net] to Norman Kincaide (LNG-CSP), Monday, March 31, 2008, 7:16 PM. I believe that John Kinkead taxed in West Caln is the same as John Kinkead of Sadsbury or John Jr. and later John Kinkead son of Samuel Kinkead working his property until sold to Caleb Way.  I believe that the 50 acres and grist mill may have been adjacent to John Kinkead's property in Sadsbury Township or very close by. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

First let me construct a lineage of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township's warrant of 1734. 1734 John Kinkaid , [37382] Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA warranted 300 acres in Sadsbury Township,  Chester County, PA, dated Feb. 4, 1734. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 24, p. 83. 1734 John Kinkaid [37382] , Hugh Cowen, William McNaught, James Wilson, Richard Martin adjacent land owners to John Davidson, 250 acres and the customary allowance. Situate in West Caln in the County of Chester, surveyed by warrant of the 29th of January 1734, the 12th October then next ensuing.  By Jno. Taylor. Survey #265.  Chester County Historical Society, Kincaid file. Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912,Vol. D-36, p. 186. 1735 John Kinkead, [37382] 200 acres and allowance in Sadsbury in Chester County surveyed by warrant of the 4th day of February 1734, the 12th of October 1735.  By Jno. Taylor.  Adjacent land owners: vacant land, Hugh Cowan, John Davidson, Widow Martin.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, C-107, Vol. p. 260. 1744 John Kinkead, [37382] of Sadsbury Township, May 29, 1744,   “It is ordered that the said Township of West Caln shall be bounded and Limited as followeth viz Beginning at a Black oak by the West Branch of Brandywine Creek at the northwest corner of Joseph Darlington’s Land, . . . thence along a line between the land of the said Wm. Ferguson and Adam Leech and the land of Robert Sandford to the said Sandfords south West corner black oak and from thence along the southern boundaries of the Lands of the said Robert Sandford, John Williams, Hugh Cowen & John Kinkead [37382] to a Black oak at the South East corner of the said Kinkead’s land from thence due east to the western branch of Brandywine Creek thence up the same to the first mentioned black oak. It is further ordered that the Plantations of Walter Guilkey, William Ferguson, and Adam Leech and all other seats andImprovements lying on the Valley Mountain to the south of the Southern boundaries of the said Township of West Caln shall Belong to the Township of Sadsbury in the County of Chester and are hereby Annexed to the same.” History of Chester County, Pennsylvania, Futhey & Cope, p. 168. 1745 John Kinkead [37382] of Sadsbury Township, patent returned 200 acres in Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA, December 10, 1745, warrantee, John Kincaid, Feb. 4, 1734, 300 acres. Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS, 1733-1957, p. 29, p. 105. 1745 John Kinkead [37382] patented 200 acres Dec. 10, 1745, warrantee, John Kinkead, Feb. 4, 1734, Chester County, PA. Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, PATENT INDEX, A and AA SERIES, 1684-1781 p. 165 1745 John Kinkead, [37382] Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA, yeoman, received 50 pounds mortgage for 200 acres,  improved on December 11, 1745, date of satisfaction, December 10, 1755. Mortgages of the General Loan Office Province of  Pennsylvania, 1724-1756. Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society, Lancaster, PA. In 1771 Charles Kinkead received this above parcel per the will of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA. 1781    Charles Kinkead [000019] died on December 29, 1781, age 45,  in Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA, buried in  the old "New Side" cemetery.  History of Upper Octorara Presbyterian Church, Chester County, Pennsylvania, By J. Smith Futhey, Esq., 1870. Appendix I, List of Persons Buried in the Old “New Side” Graveyard, On the farm late of Cyrus Cooper, deceased, so far as the same are marked by gravestones.   The list states Dec. 29, 1782, but letters of administration for his estate were issued on Jan. 17, 1782.   http://files.usgwarchives.net/pa/chester/cemeteries/uoctorara.txt 1787 Charles Kinkead, [000019] deceased, land late of, adjoining land warranted to Caleb Way, West Caln Township, Chester County, PA June 1, 1787, 141 acres, 53 perches, surveyed May 25, 1811, other adjacent land owners, John Withrow, Isaac Yearsley, late  John Ramsay, Thomas Mee, formerly, Michael Baldridge, and Caleb Way.  The above draft describes a tract of land situate in  West Caln Township, Chester County, PA, containing 141 acres, 53 perches & allowance of six per cent.  Note, I am unable to ascertain how long the above described tract of land has been improved.  The old settlers adjoining are principally dead and removed.  It is rough hilly & somewhat broken, which renders it out of my power to form a correct opinion from observation.  I must therefore refer you for information to the application in the secretary’s office.  Andrew Porter, Esquire, Surveyor General.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, D-33, p. 56. 1801 Jane Kincaid, [000019] Hannah Kinkead, [000019] Mary Kinkead’s husband, Isaac Wentz (Jane, Hannah, & Mary Kinkead daughters of  Charles Kinkead, [000019] deceased, late of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA, Mary deceased) partitioned of 200 acres willed to Charles Kinkead by his father’s estate, a tract of land John Kinkead received pursuant to a patent, dated,  December 10, 1745 from John Penn, Thomas Penn, & Richard Penn, Platt Book A, Vol. 15, p. 273. Charles Kinkead [000019]  having no male heir land went to his daughters, June 13, 1801, recorded January 28, 1802. Deed Book, Vol. T2, p. 772. See also same deed  of partition, June 13, 1801, Deed Book, Vol. V2, p. 105. 1801 Jane Kincaid [000019] to Isaac Wentz a lease for a water course in Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA, June 13, 1801.   Deed Book Vol. D3, p. 208. 1849    Jane Kinkead, [000019] born 1779, daughter of Charles Kinkead [000019] & Hannah Ramsey, died in Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA on June 12, 1849, buried in buried in the old "New Side" cemetery. Chester County Historical Society, West Chester, PA, Kincaid file;   History of Upper Octorara Presbyterian Church, Chester County, Pennsylvania, By J. Smith Futhey, Esq., 1870. Appendix I, List of Persons     Buried in the Old “New Side” Graveyard, on the farm late of Cyrus Cooper, deceased, so far as the same are marked by gravestones. 1849 Jane Kinkead, [000019] daughter of Charles Kinkead [000019] & Hannah Ramsey, of  Chester County, PA, will proved June 21, 1849.  Bequeathed the plantation upon which she lived to her nephew John T. Wentz per agreement of July 23, 1846. $50. to Celinda Wentz, daughter of deceased nephew Samuel R. Wentz.  The remaining property to be divided into six shares: to the children of deceased nephew  Charles Wentz, 1 share; to the children of George Wentz, 1 share; to nephew Jeremiah M. Wentz, 1 share; to nephew Isaac Wentz,  1 share; to niece Hannah Goss?, 1 share. Witnesses: John M. Withrow, Thomas Martin. Chester County Historical Society, West Chester, PA,  Kincaid file. Next I will detail the West Caln property. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:25:37 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Michael Kincaid line was Re: Kincaids in Westmoreland County, PA I have been reviewing what has been posted and still have much to understand about the linkages made. Although no stated link is given, I can see how one, using a timeline, comes to the conclusion that Michael Kincaid of West Caln township, Chester County became the Michael Kincaid of Hamiltonban township, York County.  Although no stated link is given, I can see how one, using a timeline, comes to believe that the Michael and Samuel Kincaid of Crawford County were the cousins of mentioned in Samuel Kincaid's 1776 Will. However, much is left accounted for.  Samuel's brother John is unaccounted for.  We also don't know for sure if the Michael Jr. mentioned in Samuel's 1776 Will was the son of Michael or another brother of Michael Sr. We also don't know for sure who the father was of the Samuel who made the Will in 1776.  Michael Sr. appears to have had at least four sons based on the 1790 census.  I don't see this all accounted for.  Overall, I don't see the link to Sadsbury John other than proximity.  I think that Sadsbury John is not the same person as West Caln John - the latter being who Michael ties to.  Am I missing some better evidence? I am tempted to speculate that Michael, Robert of East Caln, and Samuel of West Caln tie to the John and James who were warranted land in 1729.  It is also tempting to speculate that Sadsbury John came later (circa 1745) when he got his warrant for 200 acres.  I am also tempted to speculate that Robert the weaver of West Caln is Sadsbury John's son. Robert of East Caln would be the carpenter.  What are your thoughts? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:35 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaids in Westmoreland County, PA > Norman Kincaide > I believe Samuel Kinkead who died in Crawford County, PA in 1829 was the > son of Michael Kincaid. > I think Samuel preceeded his father in exploring or migrating from > Hamilton's Bann Township to Allegheny then to Crawford County, PA. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I forgot to add to scroll down to Duncan Group A. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:16:06 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Chart Summary The following is a summary of Groups and sets in the DNA chart. A-1 information was posted earlier but is included her for continuity. Group A has the largest number of participants. This may be due to the higher interest of descendents of colonial ancestors in genealogy though there are participants whose ancestors did not migrate to N America. Set 1 has a 10 at marker 15. I have chosen values from this set to represent the Apparent Ancestral Values for the entire group. Others have suggested that the AAV for marker 15 should be 9. Additional participants and documents may show us better which is correct. A-1a-- about 1/2 of the ancestors in this set can be traced to Augusta/Greenbrier Co. VA. This area is very complicated and the number of participants reflects an attempt to use every tool possible to sort the families. The rest of the set is scattered with the earliest ancestors being Rev. Joseph b c1724 Co. Down, Ireland and William/Sarah b c 1700 of New Castle, DE. Other participants have traced to Westmoreland Co. PA, NJ, Monongalia Co VA, Cecil Co. MD, Tippecanoe and Crawford Co. IN A-1b-- subgrouped by appearance of a 12 at marker 26. The earliest ancestor is Joseph m c 1726 of Albemarle Co. VA,  probable connections to John of Sadsbury PA through sons Samuel b 1736 and David, and possible connection to John the Patriarch b 1710 of Burke Co. NC. There is also probable connection to David/Winnefred of Alb. Co. VA. Others trace to Lewis Co. TN, Morgan Co. OH  and various KY counties. A-1c-- subgrouped by appearance of an 11 at marker 4. This set may or may not be related more closely to each other than to someone in A-1a. The marker 4 eleven is an unreliable indicator. In this set are 3 who trace to Robert/Mary Bowman b 1742 of Hardin Co. KY, 2 who trace to Thomas and John of Campbell Co. TN (originally from Greenbrier Co. VA), two more who trace to Greenbrier Co. VA, one who traces to Ontario, Canada, one to Gilmer Co. GA, and the earliest of the set to James/Helen Scott of Falkirk Parish Scotland (d 1669). Group A-2. Set 2 and 4 is distinguished from set 1 by a 9 at marker 15. A-2a. Earliest ancestor is George/Jean Mitchell b 1733 of Cumberland Co. PA. One ancestor Samuel/Johanna Walch b 1811 did not leave Ireland. Other members from Fayette Co. WVA and Westmoreland Co. PA A-2b This set has an 18 a marker 30. Earliest ancestors are James/Hannah b 1739 of Rowan Co. NC , Andrew/Martha Townsley b 1745 of Cumberland Co. PA and John/Anna Gregory b 1749 of PA (perhaps son of John of Carlisle). Later ancestors show up in Maury and Wilson Cos. TN. A-4 This set has a 14 at marker 19 and a 36 at marker 34. Four participants descend from David/Elizabeth Gardiner b 1798 who migrated from Londonderry, Ireland to New Brunswick, Canada. Three of these were recruited to successfully isolate mutations. The others are associated with Co. Tyrone, Ireland. Two of these descend from a suspected brother of David. A-undetermined. One participant has not upgraded to 37 markers. He is set 2 but the subset cannot be determined. Another particpant has results for markers 1-12 so his set cannot be determined. Group B The earliest participant is vetted to John/Margaret Blair b 1748 of Campsie Parish Scotland. The other 3 trace to Tyrone and Donegal Cos Ireland. Group C-1 All but one participant trace to Donegal Co., Ireland. Three of these trace to John/Catherin Coulter b 1759. One participant traces to Indiana. Group C-2. This Group may not be genetically linked to C-1, however, the C designation has been retained for both groups because of early use within the project. The earliest ancestors for this group trace to George/Elizabeth Dean b c1720 of Augusta Co. VA, Samuel/Margaret Clark b c1717 of Augusta Co. Va and Robert/Margaret Doherty of m pr1745 of Alleghany Co. PA. Others trace to Washington Co. PA, Harrison Co., KY, Jackson Co, OH, Washington Co., OH and Muscatine Co. IA. Group D. Two participants trace to John/Elizabeth b c1730 of Bath Co. VA (John of Bath) and two participants trace to William/Sarah Smith b 1806 of Gasconade Co. MO Group E. Two participants. Each trace to Alexander Kinket b 1710 of Dordreicht Netherlands Group F. Two participants. Only one with listed ancestor. He traces to James/Janet Manuel b 1739 of Stirlingshire, Scotland Group G. Two participants who are not closely matched but share enough likenesses that they appear to be from the same stalk. One traces to James/Jane Watson b 1800 of Tyrone Co. Ireland and the other to Robert/Isabella Nutt b 1855 Londonderry Ireland Group H. Two participants in Haplogroup E3b. One has not upgraded from 12 markers and has no ancestor named. The other traces to David/Ann Tozieer Jenkins of New Hampshire. Ungrouped. These participants have no match within the project. This may be due to an unknown break in the Kincaid male lineage or that other participants have not surfaced from this particular line. Among this group are participants tracing to Charles/Apphia b 1804 of Cumberland Co. Maine, George/Margaret b 1825 of New York, New York, Thomas b 1745 of Indiana, Thomas/Mary Echkels b 1802 of Coschocton, OH, and James Torrance/Mary Moor b 1800 of Alleghany Co. PA. Sue Liedtke To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Sue for the summary.  I found a chart at the Duncan Roots.com webpage and it has an interesting chart format that might be of use to our project.  See the link here: http://dsa.duncanroots.com/Clan_News/DNAreport2007.1.htm I find this chart makes it clearer to me who is the common ancestor or likely common ancestor. If that link doesn't work go here and then to DNA report 2007.1 http://www.dsa.duncanroots.com/ Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:16:06 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Chart Summary The following is a summary of Groups and sets in the DNA chart. A-1 information was posted earlier but is included her for continuity. Group A has the largest number of participants. This may be due to the higher interest of descendents of colonial ancestors in genealogy though there are participants whose ancestors did not migrate to N America. Set 1 has a 10 at marker 15. I have chosen values from this set to represent the Apparent Ancestral Values for the entire group. Others have suggested that the AAV for marker 15 should be 9. Additional participants and documents may show us better which is correct. A-1a-- about 1/2 of the ancestors in this set can be traced to Augusta/Greenbrier Co. VA. This area is very complicated and the number of participants reflects an attempt to use every tool possible to sort the families. The rest of the set is scattered with the earliest ancestors being Rev. Joseph b c1724 Co. Down, Ireland and William/Sarah b c 1700 of New Castle, DE. Other participants have traced to Westmoreland Co. PA, NJ, Monongalia Co VA, Cecil Co. MD, Tippecanoe and Crawford Co. IN A-1b-- subgrouped by appearance of a 12 at marker 26. The earliest ancestor is Joseph m c 1726 of Albemarle Co. VA,  probable connections to John of Sadsbury PA through sons Samuel b 1736 and David, and possible connection to John the Patriarch b 1710 of Burke Co. NC. There is also probable connection to David/Winnefred of Alb. Co. VA. Others trace to Lewis Co. TN, Morgan Co. OH  and various KY counties. A-1c-- subgrouped by appearance of an 11 at marker 4. This set may or may not be related more closely to each other than to someone in A-1a. The marker 4 eleven is an unreliable indicator. In this set are 3 who trace to Robert/Mary Bowman b 1742 of Hardin Co. KY, 2 who trace to Thomas and John of Campbell Co. TN (originally from Greenbrier Co. VA), two more who trace to Greenbrier Co. VA, one who traces to Ontario, Canada, one to Gilmer Co. GA, and the earliest of the set to James/Helen Scott of Falkirk Parish Scotland (d 1669). Group A-2. Set 2 and 4 is distinguished from set 1 by a 9 at marker 15. A-2a. Earliest ancestor is George/Jean Mitchell b 1733 of Cumberland Co. PA. One ancestor Samuel/Johanna Walch b 1811 did not leave Ireland. Other members from Fayette Co. WVA and Westmoreland Co. PA A-2b This set has an 18 a marker 30. Earliest ancestors are James/Hannah b 1739 of Rowan Co. NC , Andrew/Martha Townsley b 1745 of Cumberland Co. PA and John/Anna Gregory b 1749 of PA (perhaps son of John of Carlisle). Later ancestors show up in Maury and Wilson Cos. TN. A-4 This set has a 14 at marker 19 and a 36 at marker 34. Four participants descend from David/Elizabeth Gardiner b 1798 who migrated from Londonderry, Ireland to New Brunswick, Canada. Three of these were recruited to successfully isolate mutations. The others are associated with Co. Tyrone, Ireland. Two of these descend from a suspected brother of David. A-undetermined. One participant has not upgraded to 37 markers. He is set 2 but the subset cannot be determined. Another particpant has results for markers 1-12 so his set cannot be determined. Group B The earliest participant is vetted to John/Margaret Blair b 1748 of Campsie Parish Scotland. The other 3 trace to Tyrone and Donegal Cos Ireland. Group C-1 All but one participant trace to Donegal Co., Ireland. Three of these trace to John/Catherin Coulter b 1759. One participant traces to Indiana. Group C-2. This Group may not be genetically linked to C-1, however, the C designation has been retained for both groups because of early use within the project. The earliest ancestors for this group trace to George/Elizabeth Dean b c1720 of Augusta Co. VA, Samuel/Margaret Clark b c1717 of Augusta Co. Va and Robert/Margaret Doherty of m pr1745 of Alleghany Co. PA. Others trace to Washington Co. PA, Harrison Co., KY, Jackson Co, OH, Washington Co., OH and Muscatine Co. IA. Group D. Two participants trace to John/Elizabeth b c1730 of Bath Co. VA (John of Bath) and two participants trace to William/Sarah Smith b 1806 of Gasconade Co. MO Group E. Two participants. Each trace to Alexander Kinket b 1710 of Dordreicht Netherlands Group F. Two participants. Only one with listed ancestor. He traces to James/Janet Manuel b 1739 of Stirlingshire, Scotland Group G. Two participants who are not closely matched but share enough likenesses that they appear to be from the same stalk. One traces to James/Jane Watson b 1800 of Tyrone Co. Ireland and the other to Robert/Isabella Nutt b 1855 Londonderry Ireland Group H. Two participants in Haplogroup E3b. One has not upgraded from 12 markers and has no ancestor named. The other traces to David/Ann Tozieer Jenkins of New Hampshire. Ungrouped. These participants have no match within the project. This may be due to an unknown break in the Kincaid male lineage or that other participants have not surfaced from this particular line. Among this group are participants tracing to Charles/Apphia b 1804 of Cumberland Co. Maine, George/Margaret b 1825 of New York, New York, Thomas b 1745 of Indiana, Thomas/Mary Echkels b 1802 of Coschocton, OH, and James Torrance/Mary Moor b 1800 of Alleghany Co. PA. Sue Liedtke To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue,   Thank you for posting this summary.   For someone like me who does not follow every detail of the project as intently as others, this proves to be quite useful.   Robert Bruce Kinkade #35915 --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> wrote: From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> Subject: [KINCAID] Chart Summary To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 6:16 PM The following is a summary of Groups and sets in the DNA chart. A-1 information was posted earlier but is included her for continuity. Group A has the largest number of participants. This may be due to the higher interest of descendents of colonial ancestors in genealogy though there are participants whose ancestors did not migrate to N America. Set 1 has a 10 at marker 15. I have chosen values from this set to represent the Apparent Ancestral Values for the entire group. Others have suggested that the AAV for marker 15 should be 9. Additional participants and documents may show us better which is correct. A-1a-- about 1/2 of the ancestors in this set can be traced to Augusta/Greenbrier Co. VA. This area is very complicated and the number of participants reflects an attempt to use every tool possible to sort the families. The rest of the set is scattered with the earliest ancestors being Rev. Joseph b c1724 Co. Down, Ireland and William/Sarah b c 1700 of New Castle, DE. Other participants have traced to Westmoreland Co. PA, NJ, Monongalia Co VA, Cecil Co. MD, Tippecanoe and Crawford Co. IN A-1b-- subgrouped by appearance of a 12 at marker 26. The earliest ancestor is Joseph m c 1726 of Albemarle Co. VA, probable connections to John of Sadsbury PA through sons Samuel b 1736 and David, and possible connection to John the Patriarch b 1710 of Burke Co. NC. There is also probable connection to David/Winnefred of Alb. Co. VA. Others trace to Lewis Co. TN, Morgan Co. OH and various KY counties. A-1c-- subgrouped by appearance of an 11 at marker 4. This set may or may not be related more closely to each other than to someone in A-1a. The marker 4 eleven is an unreliable indicator. In this set are 3 who trace to Robert/Mary Bowman b 1742 of Hardin Co. KY, 2 who trace to Thomas and John of Campbell Co. TN (originally from Greenbrier Co. VA), two more who trace to Greenbrier Co. VA, one who traces to Ontario, Canada, one to Gilmer Co. GA, and the earliest of the set to James/Helen Scott of Falkirk Parish Scotland (d 1669). Group A-2. Set 2 and 4 is distinguished from set 1 by a 9 at marker 15. A-2a. Earliest ancestor is George/Jean Mitchell b 1733 of Cumberland Co. PA. One ancestor Samuel/Johanna Walch b 1811 did not leave Ireland. Other members from Fayette Co. WVA and Westmoreland Co. PA A-2b This set has an 18 a marker 30. Earliest ancestors are James/Hannah b 1739 of Rowan Co. NC , Andrew/Martha Townsley b 1745 of Cumberland Co. PA and John/Anna Gregory b 1749 of PA (perhaps son of John of Carlisle). Later ancestors show up in Maury and Wilson Cos. TN. A-4 This set has a 14 at marker 19 and a 36 at marker 34. Four participants descend from David/Elizabeth Gardiner b 1798 who migrated from Londonderry, Ireland to New Brunswick, Canada. Three of these were recruited to successfully isolate mutations. The others are associated with Co. Tyrone, Ireland. Two of these descend from a suspected brother of David. A-undetermined. One participant has not upgraded to 37 markers. He is set 2 but the subset cannot be determined. Another particpant has results for markers 1-12 so his set cannot be determined. Group B The earliest participant is vetted to John/Margaret Blair b 1748 of Campsie Parish Scotland. The other 3 trace to Tyrone and Donegal Cos Ireland. Group C-1 All but one participant trace to Donegal Co., Ireland. Three of these trace to John/Catherin Coulter b 1759. One participant traces to Indiana. Group C-2. This Group may not be genetically linked to C-1, however, the C designation has been retained for both groups because of early use within the project. The earliest ancestors for this group trace to George/Elizabeth Dean b c1720 of Augusta Co. VA, Samuel/Margaret Clark b c1717 of Augusta Co. Va and Robert/Margaret Doherty of m pr1745 of Alleghany Co. PA. Others trace to Washington Co. PA, Harrison Co., KY, Jackson Co, OH, Washington Co., OH and Muscatine Co. IA. Group D. Two participants trace to John/Elizabeth b c1730 of Bath Co. VA (John of Bath) and two participants trace to William/Sarah Smith b 1806 of Gasconade Co. MO Group E. Two participants. Each trace to Alexander Kinket b 1710 of Dordreicht Netherlands Group F. Two participants. Only one with listed ancestor. He traces to James/Janet Manuel b 1739 of Stirlingshire, Scotland Group G. Two participants who are not closely matched but share enough likenesses that they appear to be from the same stalk. One traces to James/Jane Watson b 1800 of Tyrone Co. Ireland and the other to Robert/Isabella Nutt b 1855 Londonderry Ireland Group H. Two participants in Haplogroup E3b. One has not upgraded from 12 markers and has no ancestor named. The other traces to David/Ann Tozieer Jenkins of New Hampshire. Ungrouped. These participants have no match within the project. This may be due to an unknown break in the Kincaid male lineage or that other participants have not surfaced from this particular line. Among this group are participants tracing to Charles/Apphia b 1804 of Cumberland Co. Maine, George/Margaret b 1825 of New York, New York, Thomas b 1745 of Indiana, Thomas/Mary Echkels b 1802 of Coschocton, OH, and James Torrance/Mary Moor b 1800 of Alleghany Co. PA. Sue Liedtke To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought I would post this for it would give us a better understanding of Harvey Kincaid and his family. This post will give us dates and his family members beside its good reading. I believe this Harvey to be son of my Thomas/Polly Davis Kincaid of Sewell Mountain in Fayette County, (West) Virginia. It was not known that he married twice until this document was found in the Fayette County, West Virginia Courthouse. Note the Campbell in this document. I will be adding more post on him later. Toney E. Kincaid 33001 CATHERINE KINCAID, DEPOSITIONS NEWMAN KINCAID, exac. Received under seal and filed August 26, 1889 E. H. Easley, Clerk of Court Note: Zack, George W., Thomas and John Campbell are Lucy Catherine Campbell Kincaid brothers. In 1889, when this deposition was taken at Zack's home, Lucy was living at Zacks which was 15 to 16 miles from the Harvey Kincaid place - Bon Hudson I, P. M. Martin, a Notary public in and for the county of Greenbrier and State of West Virginia, do certify that the following deposition were duly taken by me on this 21st day of August 1880 at Zac Campbell's in Meadow Bluff District, Greenbrier County, West Virginia to be read as evidence in Chancery, in the circuit court, for the County of Fayette, West Virginia, wherein Newman Kincaid, Ches Adkins and Nancy his wife, Henry Kincaid and Sarah J., his wife are plaintiffs, and Lucy Campbell and John Campbell are defendants. Present Newman Kincaid one of the plaintiff and L. C. Kincaid and John Campbell defendants. G. F. Henry a witness of lawful age being duly sworn answers and Says: Please state what you recall about a will that you wrote for Harvey Kincaid, late husband of Catherine Kincaid. ANSWER: Sometime in the fall of 1878, I wrote a will for Harvey Kincaid. In this will he divided all of his improved land under fence, and indeed all of his land improved or unimproved to Catherine Kincaid, his then wife except some 20 or 30 acres of woodland which he left to his daughter Sara J. Kincaid. He provided in said will, that his widow should have the privilege of getting rail timbers off Sarah Jane's woodlands. He left his son Newman a fine rifle, a big plow, and an overcoat; and to his daughter Nancy a cow, and I think a horse and some bedding. And it was stated at the end of said will that at the death of his widow Catherine Kincaid, that said land should revert back to Newman, Sarah Jane, and Nancy. He said he felt in duty bound to do more for his wife than the law allowed her as she had been so kind and good to him. Cross Examination by Plaintiff of the 1st witness. QUESTION: When did you write the will in question? ANSWER: I can't say exactly what month but I think it was October or November. QUESTION: Whom did you make Executor of this will? ANSWER: I think I made his son Newman Kincaid Executor of his will. QUESTION: Was that will ever recorded? ANSWER: I do not know. QUESTION: Do you know anything of a deed made by Harvey Kincaid to Charles J. Campbell? ANSWER: I know nothing further than that I read a deed here on the 7th August proposing to be a deed made by Harvey Kincaid and wife to C. J. Campbell, and also a deed from C. J. Campbell to Catherine Kincaid. QUESTION: Where you present when those deeds were acknowledged? ANSWER: I was not. And further this deponent saith not. Signed - George F. Henry THOMAS CAMPBELL A witness of lawful age being duly sworn and answers and says: 1st QUESTION: What do you recall about the matter in controversy? Or what did you hear Harvey Kincaid say about the matter? ANSWER : After the deed had been made I heard Harvey Kincaid say he had everything fixed as he wanted it I also heard Mr. Newman Kincaid say after Harvey Kincaid death, at the appraisement , and also at the sale, that he was satisfied with the way in which his father had fixed his affairs. I further heard Wm G. Flanagan the Justice before whom said deed, were made that said deeds were good deeds: but a law suit might grow out of them. Cross Examination by plaintiff QUESTION: When did Harvey Kincaid tell you that he had the deed made and fixed to his mind? ANSWER: A short time ( 3 to 4 weeks) before he died, perhaps in April. QUESTION: Do you know there was a deed made from Harvey Kincaid and wife to C. J. Campbell? ANSWER: Yes, I have seen what purposed to be a deed. QUESTION: Was it before or after the death of Mr. H. Kincaid that you saw said deed? ANSWER: After his death QUESTION: In whose possession was said deed when you saw it? ANSWER: In Catherine Kincaid's QUESTION: How long after Harvey Kincaid's death did you see the deed? ANSWER: Some time in the fall, which lost was 11th of May. QUESTION: Who was present when Harvey Kincaid told you he had everything fixed as he wanted? ANSWER: His wife and his daughter Nancy. QUESTION: Are you a brother of the defendant? ANSWER: I am> And further this deponent saith not. Signed Thomas Campbell GEORGE WASHINGTON CAMPBELL a witness of lawful age being duly sworn says: QUESTION: State what do you know about the matters in controverts and that some of the heirs threatened to break the will that he thereupon he made a deed of his land to C L Campbell also a deed of some property to his daughter Nancy. Also that he has given his children all he intended them to have. Furthermore on the day of his appraisement , I heard Newman Kincaid say he was satisfied with the way his father had fixed his affairs. And I heard him say the same thing in the house. CROSS EXAMINATION BY THE PLANTIFF: QUESTION: When Harvey Kincaid told you he had his affairs fixed to his mind who was present? ANSWER: No one but myself. QUESTION: When he told you that he had given his children all he intended them to have, did he say real estate or personal property? ANSWER: He did not say. QUESTION: When Newman Kincaid said that he was satisfied with the way in which his father had disposed of his estate was it after the question had arisen as to what should become of the land after the death of Catherine Kincaid.? ANSWER: I don't recall further than I heard Newman Kincaid say so on appraisement day in ( October perhaps). QUESTION: Were you present when the deed was made and acknowledged from Harvey Kincaid and wife to C. J. Campbell as from C. J. Campbell to Catherine Kincaid? ANSWER: I was not. QUESTION: Was the conversation between you and Newman Kincaid as to his approval of the way in which his father had fixed his business before or after he had made the deeds? ANSWER : I can't say, and further this deponent saith not - Signed G. W. Campbell JOHN P. CAMPBELL A witness of lawful age being sworn says: QUESTION: Tell what you know about this cause; ANSWER: The last time I saw Harvey Kincaid was here at this house on that occasion, he said that he had given his children all he intended to give them. He had gotten no thanks therefore as to what property he had then. He intended it for his wife who was then waiting on him. Mr. Newman Kincaid said on same occasion that he had gotten from his father all he wanted and was satisfied. CROSS EXAMINATIN by Plaintiff QUESTION: How far did Harvey Kincaid live from here when the conversation occurred? ANSWER: Some 15 or 16 miles. QUESTION: Was Harvey Kincaid very ill at that time? ANSWER: He could get about, but was unwell and did not think he would recover. QUESTION: When was it that the conversation occurred. ANSWER: I think it was about January 1878. QUESTION: Who did Mr. Kincaid saw was to have his property at the death of his wife ( Catherine Kincaid) ? ANSWER: He did not say. QUESTION; Was the conversation with Mr. Kincaid before or after the making of the will and deeds? ANSWER: I do not recall. QUESTION: Do you know anything about the deed from H. Kincaid and wife to J. C. Campbell or from C. J. Campbell to Catherine Kincaid? ANSWER: Nothing at all and further this deponent saith not. Signed John P. Campbell Z. P. CAMPBELL A witness being of lawful age, being duly sworn says: QUESTION: Tell what you know about the matter. ANSWER: Harvey Kincaid told me had made a will and that his children had threatened to break it, that he had given them all he intended to give them. That he had gotten W. G. Flanagan, to draw him 2 deeds one in favor of C. J. Campbell, and the other in favor of his daughter Nancy . CROSS EXAMINATION by Plaintiff: QUESTION: When was this conversation? ANSWER: In April before hid death. QUESTION: Did he say why he had made the deeds? ANSWER: No. QUESTON: Who was present when the conservation occurred? ANSWER: No one QUESTION: Do you know Dr. Rupert attending on Mr. H. Kincaid. ANSWER: I do not. QUESTION: Did Mr. Kincaid say who was to inherit his estate after the death of his wife? ANSWER: He did not. QUESTION: Were you present when either of those deeds were acknowledged? ANSWER: I was not further this deponent saith not. - Signed Z. P. Campbell C. J. CAMPBELL A witness of lawful age being duty sworn says: QUESTION: State what you know about this cause. ANSWER: When I went to his house to live Harvey Kincaid told me he had made a will, but his children threatened to break it that he intended to deed to me his land and that I was to deed the same land to Catherine Kincaid, and that after her death said land was to revert to me. What he had given his children all he intended to give them. That he had deeded to his daughter Nancy a horse, cow and calf and enough personal property was to be sold off to pay his debts and the residue was to go to his wife. He said I was to stay on the place and take care of his widow. At her death the land was to revert to me. If we could not stay on the place we were to rent or sell. CROSSD EXAMITAIN of PLANTIFF QUESTION: Were the condition you have enumerated the consideration of his deed to you? ANSWER: Yes. QUESTION: Why not so stated in the deed? ANSWER: I do not know why. QUESTION: Was the deed delivered to you? ANSWER: It was delivered to his wife Catherine. He told her to take care of it. QUESTION: Did he tell his wife to take care of said deed until you had made your deed to her? ANSWER: He did. QUESTION: Was Mr. Kincaid advised not to have make both deeds made on same day ,that is from himself and wife to C. J. Campbell and from the last man to Catherine Kincaid? ANSWER: He was. QUESTION: Who advised him? ANSWER: Wm. G. Flanagan- Justice. QUESTION: Did Esqn. Flanagan so advise him? ANSWER: The Squire said that it would be better not to make them both on the same day, a flaw might be j( unknown word). QUESTION: Was anything said about Dr. Rupert's debt and if so how much was it. ANSWER: Harvey Kincaid that he had heard Dr. Rupert had a bill of $60 against and that he did not want to pay that much but was willing to pay a reasonable bill. QUESTION: Are you certain that Mr. Kincaid did not make the deed to keep from paying an exorbitant bill to Dr. Rupert? ANSWER: I am not. QUESTION: Have you an acct. against W. G. Flanagan, Adms. of Mr. Kincaid's estate for building fence since Mr. Kincaid's death. ANSWER: I have. The fence was built under a contract made with L. C. Kincaid in his life time. QUESTION: What was your answer to W. S. Flanagan when he asked you to whom the land was to go at the death of Catherine Kincaid, at the time lanagan was writing the deed from C. J. Campbell to Catherine Kincaid? ANSWER: I said nothing. QUESTION: Why did you not answer the question? ANSWER: I do not remember. QUESTION: Were any of your heirs present when the ded from C. J. Campbell to Catherine Kincaid was made? ANSWER: None of them. QUESTION: Was said deed made before or after the death of Mr. Kincaid? ANSWER: Afterwards. QUESTION: Did Mr. Kincaid try to have the deed from C. J. Campbell to Catherine Kincaid made before his death? ANSWER: He did. QUESTION: Did he send any officer to write and take the acknowledgement of the deed and if so who was it? ANSWER: W. G. Flanagan Esq. was sent for twice to take the acknowledgment of the deed from C. J. Campbell to Catherine Kincaid. QUESTION: How long after the death of Mr. Kincaid before toy received the deed made by Mr. Kincaid and wife to you? ANSWER: About a month, Further this deponent saith not. - Signed Charles J. Campbell 4 O'clock. By consent of plaintiff taking of the deposition goes on. CATHERINE KINCAID A witness of lawful age being sworn says: QUESTION: State what you know about the controversy first Harvey Kincaid, first made a will? ANSWER: Harvey Kincaid first made a will, some of the heirs threatened to break the will. Mr. Kincaid then said he would make a deed that could not be broken. Said that he had given his children all he intended to give them, he was then working for me. Said he wanted his debts paid. I was to have the balance of his estate and at my death C. J. Campbell was to have the land and wanted C. J. Campbell to stay and take care of me as long as I lived. We were to stay on the place as long as we could stay and if not satisfied we could go somewhere else where we could be satisfied. CROSS EXAMINATION QUESTION: Did you hear any one speaking of breaking the will; if so who was he? ANSWER: I heard Sarah J. Kincaid say so. QUESTION: What about Dr. Rupert's bill that is did you hear Mr. Kincaid say anything Dr. Rupert having an extravagant Dr. bill against him? ANSWER: He said he wanted Dr. Rupert paid a reasonable bill of 20 to $25. QUESTION: How much was the bill, did he say? ANSWER: Sixty dollars. QUESTION: Did he suggest any plan to get rid of paying so big a bill? ANSWER: I do not remember. QUESTION: Was the deed to C. J. Campbell made before or after the doctor's services were rendered? ANSWER: I do not recall. QUESTION: Do you remember when W. G. Flanagan want to your house to write the first deed, did Mr. Kincaid say he was making the deed to cut Dr. Rupert out so extravagant a bill? ANSWER: I do not remember. QUESTION: Might he not have said so and you not hear him? ANSWER: I was not in the house all the time and I do not know what was said. QUESTION: Why did not C. J. Campbell deed you the land the same day it was deeded to him? ANSWER: There was objections of there being a flaw or some defect. QUESTION: What defect was suggested? ANSWER: I do not remember. QUESTION: Who advised you not to have the deed made on that day? ANSWER: W. G. Flanagan Esqr. QUESTION: Did Esgn Flanagan say to make both deeds on same day said destroy the object of the first deed? ANSWER: I do not recall. QUESTION: To whom did Esgr. Flanagan deliver the deed from Harvey Kincaid and wife to C. J. Campbell? ANSWER: I found the deed on the table and by request of Mr. Kincaid I put it in my trunk. QUESTION: Did Mr. Kincaid send for anyone to have the last deed written before his death? ANSWER: He sent for Esq Flanagan. QUESTION: How long before Mr. Kincaid death did he send for W. G. Flanagan to make the deed? ANSWER: I do not know. QUESTION: Did he send for any of his children to come in the night before his death? ANSWER: Yes, he sent for his son Newman. QUESTION: Did Newman come and who else come? ANSWER: Newman did come, John Ewing, Wm White and C. J. Campbell were present and Nancy his daughter. QUESTION: Was any request made of his children that night? ANSWER: I do not know of any. QUESTION: Did say any thing pn that night about the disposition of his property? ANSWER: I heard none. QUESTION: Might he not have done so and you not hear him? ANSWER: He might have said so and I not hear him. QUESTION: Was the last deed made before or after the death of Mr. Kincaid? ANSWER: After. QUESTION: How long did C. J. Campbell live with you before the death of Mr. Kincaid? ANSWER: He came early in March, Mr. Kincaid died 11th of May. QUESTION: Is C. D. Campbell your brother? ANSWER: He is. QUESTION: How long after Mr. Kincaid's death before the first deed was delivered to J. C. Campbell? ANSWER: Some time in June. Further this deponent saith not. Signed - CATHERINE C. KINCAID I, P. W. Martin, a Notary Public in and for the County of Greenbrier and state aforesaid, certify that foregoing deposition were taken Subscribed and sworn to before me at the place and time therein specified: Given under my hand and seal this 21st day of August 1880. P. M. Martin - Notary Public I find the cost in taking the foregoing deposition amount to be Fourteen Dollars and sixty cents ( $14.60) P. M. Martin - Notary Public

The following is a summary of Groups and sets in the DNA chart. A-1 information was posted earlier but is included her for continuity. Group A has the largest number of participants. This may be due to the higher interest of descendents of colonial ancestors in genealogy though there are participants whose ancestors did not migrate to N America. Set 1 has a 10 at marker 15. I have chosen values from this set to represent the Apparent Ancestral Values for the entire group. Others have suggested that the AAV for marker 15 should be 9. Additional participants and documents may show us better which is correct. A-1a-- about 1/2 of the ancestors in this set can be traced to Augusta/Greenbrier Co. VA. This area is very complicated and the number of participants reflects an attempt to use every tool possible to sort the families. The rest of the set is scattered with the earliest ancestors being Rev. Joseph b c1724 Co. Down, Ireland and William/Sarah b c 1700 of New Castle, DE. Other participants have traced to Westmoreland Co. PA, NJ, Monongalia Co VA, Cecil Co. MD, Tippecanoe and Crawford Co. IN A-1b-- subgrouped by appearance of a 12 at marker 26. The earliest ancestor is Joseph m c 1726 of Albemarle Co. VA, probable connections to John of Sadsbury PA through sons Samuel b 1736 and David, and possible connection to John the Patriarch b 1710 of Burke Co. NC. There is also probable connection to David/Winnefred of Alb. Co. VA. Others trace to Lewis Co. TN, Morgan Co. OH and various KY counties. A-1c-- subgrouped by appearance of an 11 at marker 4. This set may or may not be related more closely to each other than to someone in A-1a. The marker 4 eleven is an unreliable indicator. In this set are 3 who trace to Robert/Mary Bowman b 1742 of Hardin Co. KY, 2 who trace to Thomas and John of Campbell Co. TN (originally from Greenbrier Co. VA), two more who trace to Greenbrier Co. VA, one who traces to Ontario, Canada, one to Gilmer Co. GA, and the earliest of the set to James/Helen Scott of Falkirk Parish Scotland (d 1669). Group A-2. Set 2 and 4 is distinguished from set 1 by a 9 at marker 15. A-2a. Earliest ancestor is George/Jean Mitchell b 1733 of Cumberland Co. PA. One ancestor Samuel/Johanna Walch b 1811 did not leave Ireland. Other members from Fayette Co. WVA and Westmoreland Co. PA A-2b This set has an 18 a marker 30. Earliest ancestors are James/Hannah b 1739 of Rowan Co. NC , Andrew/Martha Townsley b 1745 of Cumberland Co. PA and John/Anna Gregory b 1749 of PA (perhaps son of John of Carlisle). Later ancestors show up in Maury and Wilson Cos. TN. A-4 This set has a 14 at marker 19 and a 36 at marker 34. Four participants descend from David/Elizabeth Gardiner b 1798 who migrated from Londonderry, Ireland to New Brunswick, Canada. Three of these were recruited to successfully isolate mutations. The others are associated with Co. Tyrone, Ireland. Two of these descend from a suspected brother of David. A-undetermined. One participant has not upgraded to 37 markers. He is set 2 but the subset cannot be determined. Another particpant has results for markers 1-12 so his set cannot be determined. Group B The earliest participant is vetted to John/Margaret Blair b 1748 of Campsie Parish Scotland. The other 3 trace to Tyrone and Donegal Cos Ireland. Group C-1 All but one participant trace to Donegal Co., Ireland. Three of these trace to John/Catherin Coulter b 1759. One participant traces to Indiana. Group C-2. This Group may not be genetically linked to C-1, however, the C designation has been retained for both groups because of early use within the project. The earliest ancestors for this group trace to George/Elizabeth Dean b c1720 of Augusta Co. VA, Samuel/Margaret Clark b c1717 of Augusta Co. Va and Robert/Margaret Doherty of m pr1745 of Alleghany Co. PA. Others trace to Washington Co. PA, Harrison Co., KY, Jackson Co, OH, Washington Co., OH and Muscatine Co. IA. Group D. Two participants trace to John/Elizabeth b c1730 of Bath Co. VA (John of Bath) and two participants trace to William/Sarah Smith b 1806 of Gasconade Co. MO Group E. Two participants. Each trace to Alexander Kinket b 1710 of Dordreicht Netherlands Group F. Two participants. Only one with listed ancestor. He traces to James/Janet Manuel b 1739 of Stirlingshire, Scotland Group G. Two participants who are not closely matched but share enough likenesses that they appear to be from the same stalk. One traces to James/Jane Watson b 1800 of Tyrone Co. Ireland and the other to Robert/Isabella Nutt b 1855 Londonderry Ireland Group H. Two participants in Haplogroup E3b. One has not upgraded from 12 markers and has no ancestor named. The other traces to David/Ann Tozieer Jenkins of New Hampshire. Ungrouped. These participants have no match within the project. This may be due to an unknown break in the Kincaid male lineage or that other participants have not surfaced from this particular line. Among this group are participants tracing to Charles/Apphia b 1804 of Cumberland Co. Maine, George/Margaret b 1825 of New York, New York, Thomas b 1745 of Indiana, Thomas/Mary Echkels b 1802 of Coschocton, OH, and James Torrance/Mary Moor b 1800 of Alleghany Co. PA. Sue Liedtke

Hi Peter, Norman, I passed on your question to my Storey collegue (out of) Bulter county about the Storey-Kincaid connection in Scotland, and this is what he replied: The info we have about the Northern Scotland Storeys was in the book "The Steel Bonnets". That particular quote came I think from a geneologist named Jack Storey in Belfast who my Dad has been corresponding with. If he hasn't already, your expert should read the *History of Butler County PA*(available online). The Kincades are prominently mentioned throughout. Samuel Kincade and Alexander Storey are noted as founders of the Bear Creek Presbyterian Church located between today's Petrolia and Fairview, PA, and Samuel was a Justice of the Peace. We are going to drive up there later this week to look around. I'll keep my eye out for any Kincades. I would, of course, be interested in more of your expert's information about the Storey-Kincaid connection in Govan. Storey On 8/16/08, Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> wrote: > > I am aware of only one Kincaid Storey connection > in Scotland, for a relevant period, and this was in the > Govan area (near Glasgow). I am curious as to the > source for a northern Scotland connection. I agree > with you fully about family clusters moving together. > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Kincaid" <larryk34@gmail.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:39 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Samuel Kincade Jr. > > > > Has anyone found a connection between these Kincaid's in Bulter County PA > > and any of the Kincaid DNA Subgroups? Perhaps this is what Norman is > > trying > > to do. A few months ago I sent an email to Norman about someone I work > > with > > named Storey, who found out that his ancestors in Butler County had farms > > adjacent to to this same Samuel Kincaid's farm. Of course, I was curious > > if > > this Samuel Kincaid was related to anyone in Group C-2. The following > > addtional information may be of interest, because my colleague has > > information about a Storey-Kincaid connection in northern Scotland. He > > also > > knows which part of northern Ireland from which his ancestors migrated to > > PA > > and then Butler County, PA. I'm always suspicious that groups of > families > > migrated together to specific areas to buy land, rather than just as > > unconnected families. Here's the additional information that he shared > > with > > me: > > > _________________________________________________________________________________ > > The Storeys in western Pennsylvania. They (father Alexander Baird Storey > > and > > three sons, James, William & Robert) entered the country prior to the > > first > > census in 1790 because they appear in the roles of Chester County, PA. > > They > > settled briefly in Westmoreland County south of Pittsburgh, and then > > bought > > land northeast of Pittsburgh in Butler County in 1792. All four are > buried > > in the Lower Bear Creek Cemetery in Fairview, PA. Several other details > > suggest that these Storeys may have come originally (before Belfast) from > > northern Scotland, rather than the Border area. *There is a known clan of > > Storey's associated with the Ogilvie and Kincaid clans in northern > > Scotland. > > * James' will (the one I'm descended from, who was the oldest of the > > three > > brothers and died of wounds sustained fighting the British in the War of > > 1812 on the Ohio-Pennsylvania border) lists his possessions at the time > of > > his death in 1815. > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ruth, My sincere condolences to you on the loss of your mother... Sally Standley

Ruth: My very sincerest sympathies: Brian #5803

I found this survey while investigating the Jack family, most notably Patrick Jack.  The Jack family appears here and there with the Kincaids:  The following is extracted from the Daily News Huntingdon Co Pa pg 6 dated 9-4-1948 Patrick Jack is buried in Falling Springs Presbyterian Church yard in Chambersburg, Franklin County, PA, his stone stated that Patrick Jack died in 1821, age 91. 1773 Andrew Kinkead [93625] granted mortgagors Samuel Jack & Robert Boyd a tract of 50 acres in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County,  PA June 14, 1773. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA, Mortgages v. 1, p. 164. 1775 James Kinkaid, [000013] witness along with Thomas Guy, to deed of William Mason of Hempfield Township, Westmoreland  County, PA to William Lindsay 300 acres of land situate on the waters of Beaver Run in Twp, adjoining lands of William and Mathew Jack, John Christie, Alexander Thompson, and others on June 24, 1775 for 30 pounds currency.  Need reference. 1776 James Kinkead, [000013] witness to deed, William Lindsay to Samuel Whitsett, both of Hempfield Township, for 50 pounds, 300 acres on the waters of Beaver Run, being the same land conveyed by Mr. Mason to John Mason, unto William Lindsay. Bounded by lands of: John Christy, William Jack, William Graham, and others. Signed William Lindsay, March 26, 1776.  Westmoreland Co. Deed Book Vol. A, p. 432. 1787 Mary Jane Kincaid married Thomas Jack in Westmoreland County, PA on June 7, 1787.  Alice Gedge 1793 James Kinkeade [000013] had a survey of 440 acres with the allowance of six per cent on November 21, 1793 by virtue of his improvement began on Nov. 14, 1793, situate in District No. 8 N.W. of the Allegheny River on the east side of Buffaloe Creek on the waters of the Allegheny River. Stephen Gapen D.S.  To Daniel Brodhead, Esqu.  S.G.  I do hereby certify that there is no warrant entered in my office for the above described tract of land.  Stephen Gapen.  D.S.  Adjacent landowners: Benjamin Jack, John Craig, and sold land. Patented by Hugh Y. Brady, March 9, 1831, Armstrong County, PA.  Pennsylvania Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol. C-108, p. 14. The two warrants referenced below were in Lancaster County in the 1730s.  The surveyor didn't know if these warrants were one whole parcel.  But they are two separate parcels.  The adjacent land owners on the "West Sadsbury Township" (really the west part of Sadsbury Township, Lancaster County, PA) warrant were on Octararo Creek in Sadsbury Township, Lancaster County, which is sandwiched between Bart Township, Lancaster County, PA and Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA. The actual survey is of a parcel in Green Township, Franklin County, which borders Hamilton Township and Guilford Township in Franklin County, which had been Cumberland County prior to 1783.  This places Patrick Jack in proximity to the Kincaids in Bart Township, Lancaster County, PA and Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA and adjacent to John Fleming, also referenced with the Kincaids of Chester County, PA. I had previously been unable to make any connection between the Group C Kincaids in Hamilton Township, Cumberland/Franklin County to the Chester County Kincaids.  But these Patrick Jack warrants, one in what was to become Franklin County and the other in Sadsbury Township, Lancaster County, PA indicate the possibility of Group C Kincaids residing in Chester County, PA if a similar migration pattern took place.  I always thought it strange that these Kincaids just appeared in Hamilton Township, they had to come from somewhere.  The earliest Group C Kincaids are in Virginia (George Kinkead killed by Indians in 1756).  There have also been hints of connections between the Carlisle, Middleton, Tyrone & Toboyne Township Kincaids with the Chester County Kincaids, but no real solid connections.  I connect them with York and Lancaster County, but not Chester County, except for the later Bart Township, Lancaster County, Kincaids, but then Bart Township was part of Sadsbury Township, Chester County before the formation of Lancaster in 1729. Sincerely Norman Kincaide A draft of a track or parcel of land situate in Green Township, formerly in Lancaster County, afterwards in Cumberland, and now in Franklin County containing four hundred and seventy acres and 138 perches and the allowance of six per cent for roads and surveyed April 23, 1793. Two warrants (now in the possession of Paul Immel and the heirs of John Immel, deceased) have been granted by the late Proprietaries to Patrick Jack, one for two hundred acres of land situate in West Sadsbury Township and adjoining to John Fleming and James McClaghnahan in the County of Lancaster dated 28th February 1734, and the other for three hundred acres of land situate on Conedojig Creek in the said County of Lancaster dated the 7th day of December 1737.  Under which warrants the said Immels claim the whole of the land above described. The location of the warrant last mentioned will agree to the south end of the present survey.  If not to the whole but whether it was intended to Locate the whole, or only a part or whether the whole was originally surveyed therein is to me uncertain.  As to the other warrant located in Sadsbury Township and adjoining John Fleming and James McClaghnahan I cannot yet find on enquiry a Township formerly called by that Name within the bounds of the (now) County of Franklin and therefore am doubtful respecting it and shall await the order of the surveyor General or Board of Property respecting it the returns to be made in order of confirmation by patent. N.B. Samuel Nicholson disputes part of the above survey adjoining William Crawford’s heirs under a warrant granted to William Nicholson Dated 13th May 1763.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912. B-6, p. 226. James McClanaghan warranted 200 acres in Lancaster County, PA on May 17, 1734 on Octorara Creek, vacated no patent issued.. James McClanachon, 200 acres scratched out, 234 acres & allowance situate on a branch of Octararoe Creek in the County of Lancaster Surveyed the 12th of October 1734 by warrant of the 17th of May in the same year.  By John Taylor.  Adjacent land owners: John Fleming, Jonas Chamberlain, vacant land. Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912. C-224, p. 171.