From Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh,_Pennsylvania Pittsburgh was named in 1758 by General John Forbes in honor of the British statesman, Sir William Pitt. Given that Forbes was a Scotsman, some speculate the intended pronunciation of the settlement was "Pittsburra", similar to the pronunciation of Edinburgh. It was incorporated as a borough in 1794 and chartered as a city in 1816.[12] British General Edward Braddock's campaign (with Washington as his aide) to take Fort Duquesne failed, but General John Forbes's subsequent campaign succeeded. After the French abandoned and destroyed Fort Duquesne in 1758, Forbes ordered the construction of Fort Pitt, named after British Secretary of State William Pitt the Elder. He also named the settlement between the rivers "Pittsborough."[18] During Pontiac's Rebellion, Ohio Valley and Great Lakes tribes besieged Fort Pitt for two months. The siege was ended after Colonel Bouquet defeated the native forces in the Battle of Bushy Run just to the east of the forks. In the 1768 Treaty of Fort Stanwix, the descendants of William Penn purchased from the Six Nations western lands that included most of the present site of Pittsburgh. In 1769, a survey was made of the land situated between the two rivers, called the "Manor of Pittsburgh."[19] Both Virginia and Pennsylvania claimed the Pittsburgh area during colonial times and would continue to do so until 1780 when both states agreed to extend the Mason-Dixon Line westward, placing Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:02:16 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Samuel Kinkead's 100 acres near Pittsburgh The map is dated 1775 and is contemporary with the Will of Samuel.  Here Pittsburgh is still called Fort Pitt still.  When did Pittsburgh first become called Pittsburgh instead of Fort Pitt? I ask this because I am wondering if an error of assumption is being made.  Perhaps the land referred to in Samuel's 1776 Will was actually in Fawn township.  In all appearances he acquired 270 acres.  He gives his brother 50 acres, his sister 100 acres and his cousin 100 acres.  This is pretty close to 270 acres.  Now the Samuel who later appears in the Fawn tax lists has 150 acres.  This could be his and John's share. The 100 acres deeded to John McCleary could perhaps be Mary's share - perhaps he married Mary or was her son. Clearly, there is problems with the title of the land as they were only going on warrants and the whole 270 acres had to be later granted new to Joseph and Thomas. I also ask this because of the fact that Fawn township included the township of Peach Bottom.  Peach Bottom was only created in 1815.  Peach Bottom municipality is now on the Lancaster side at the mouth of "Peters Creek."  It was originally on the York County side.  I have a suspicion that the little creek on the York County side (below Muddy Creek) was also called Peters Creek. Perhaps Pitch burgh is a corruption of Peach burgh which was what Peach Bottom was known locally as at that time.  Just food for thought. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:53 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Samuel Kinkead's 100 acres near Pittsburgh >I may have found where this acreage could be. His brother John Kinkead >could be the John Kinkead Jr. who applied for 300 acres of New Purchase >land in 1769. > First go to this map: > http://www.mapsofpa.com/18thcentury/1777fadenatlaspa.jpg > Find Fort Pitt, find Chartiers Creek and Saw Mill. See the description on > the application in 1769. I posted most of this information before. But I > am even more convinced that John Kinkead Jr. below is Samuel's brother. > He's the only Kinkead who makes an early application for land near > Pittsburgh. I think the 300 acres included the land named in Samuel > Kinkead's will. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Norman- That map prints up very nicely on my EPSON ESP4880. And the western half crops to a 12x12 (scrapbook size) area of interest which includes the legend and is very legible still. Now to nail down which cousin my ancestor resided with during the five years he was there (in what was later Westmoreland County.) Are there any marriage records from that neck o' the woods for 1795- 1799? Dick Kinkead 2562-A1a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Samuel Kinkead's 100 acres near Pittsburgh

Hi, My name is James Akin, Lexington, Ky and I am a descendent of William Kincaid who fought in the War of 1812.  In an email exchange noted on Rootsweb.com you stated that you had a copy of his War of 1812 pension file.  I was wondering if you could perhaps email a copy to me or if you would rather use regular mail my address is: James Akin  1231 Todds Sta Lexington, KY 40509 Thank you very much for your help.

At the time of the application for the land it was Cumberland County in 1769. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:45:35 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Samuel Kinkead's 100 acres near Pittsburgh Hi, Dick, that part of Pennsylvania was Westmoreland County in 1777, though still contested with Virginia and overlapped with Yohogenia County.  The only compilation of records that I know so far is for this citation but the time frame is beyond your 1790s date. 1828 George Kincade [57709] married Nancy Jane Connor on August 28, 1828 at the Congruity Presbyterian             Church, Salem Township,  Westmoreland County, PA. Della Reagan Fischer,  Comp., Congruity                         Presbyterian Church, Salem Township, Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania,    1828-1909. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard Kinkead <rkinkead11@comcast.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:33:16 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Samuel Kinkead's 100 acres near Pittsburgh Norman- That map prints up very nicely on my EPSON ESP4880.  And the western half crops to a 12x12 (scrapbook size) area of interest which includes the legend and is very legible still. Now to nail down which cousin my ancestor resided with during the five years he was there (in what was later Westmoreland County.) Are there any marriage records from that neck o' the woods for 1795- 1799? Dick Kinkead  2562-A1a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Samuel Kinkead's 100 acres near Pittsburgh To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Dick, that part of Pennsylvania was Westmoreland County in 1777, though still contested with Virginia and overlapped with Yohogenia County.  The only compilation of records that I know so far is for this citation but the time frame is beyond your 1790s date. 1828 George Kincade [57709] married Nancy Jane Connor on August 28, 1828 at the Congruity Presbyterian             Church, Salem Township,  Westmoreland County, PA. Della Reagan Fischer,  Comp., Congruity                         Presbyterian Church, Salem Township, Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania,    1828-1909. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Richard Kinkead <rkinkead11@comcast.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:33:16 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Samuel Kinkead's 100 acres near Pittsburgh Norman- That map prints up very nicely on my EPSON ESP4880.  And the western half crops to a 12x12 (scrapbook size) area of interest which includes the legend and is very legible still. Now to nail down which cousin my ancestor resided with during the five years he was there (in what was later Westmoreland County.) Are there any marriage records from that neck o' the woods for 1795- 1799? Dick Kinkead  2562-A1a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Samuel Kinkead's 100 acres near Pittsburgh To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Also follow Chartiers Creek down to the south east and you will find Peters Creek between Tomsons Run and Mingo Creek. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:53:58 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Samuel Kinkead's 100 acres near Pittsburgh I may have found where this acreage could be.  His brother John Kinkead could be the John Kinkead Jr. who applied for 300 acres of New Purchase land in 1769. First go to this map: http://www.mapsofpa.com/18thcentury/1777fadenatlaspa.jpg Find Fort Pitt, find Chartiers Creek and Saw Mill.  See the description on the application in 1769.  I posted most of this information before.  But I am even more convinced that John Kinkead Jr. below is Samuel's brother. He's the only Kinkead who makes an early application for land near Pittsburgh.  I think the 300 acres included the land named in Samuel Kinkead's will. I believe that the John Kinkead in Samuel Kinkead's will is the John Kinkead below.  I also believe that this John Kinkead is the one baptized in 1751 and the Samuel Kinkead baptized in 1753. 1745 John Kincaid, [000003] born in Lancaster County, PA, placed on Allegheny County, PA pension list, age 86,  served as a private, Penn. Militia, on March 4, 1831, died Oct. 16, 1833 . Revolutionary War Pension Abstracts 1769 John Kinkead, [000003] Jr., formerly of Lancaster County, PA, applied for a warrant to take up 300 acres in  Washington County, PA (Cumberland County, PA in 1769) of new purchase lands, now in Allegheny County, PA,  dated, June 27, 1769, application #3562, New Purchase, warrant #25, patentee, John Douglas, Nov. 10, 1784, 291 acres, name of tract, Bucks Forest. Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, PATENT INDEX, P SERIES (P-1 to P-19), 1781-1794, P. No. 3, July 24, 1784-Sept, 19, 1785. 1769 John Kinkead, [000003] Jr., Application 3562, June 27, 1769, 300 acres, returned, Nov. 9, 1784 to John Douglass, Esqu. in Allegheny County, PA, on the south side of the Black Oak Ridge including three springs running to Shirtees Creek & to include a long bottom on both sides of the run northward of the Mange Hill about 3 miles from the head of the Sawmill Creek.  Peters Township, on a branch of Chartiers Creek, Washington County, PA.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, NEW PURCHASE REGISTER: NUMERIC LISTING OF APPLICATIONS, 1769, page begins with 3560. John Kinkead could have applied for his brother 1781 John Kinkaid [000003] taxed in Peters Township, Washington County, PA for 380 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows,         2 sheep at 254.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, vol. 22, p. 758. 1781 John Kincade [000003] taxed in Smith Township, Washington County, PA  for 200 acres, 1 horse, 1 cow, 3         sheep at 52.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, vol. 22, p. 774. 1781 John Kincaid, [000003] private, 7th Class, Capt. Zadok Wright’s Company of Militia, 2nd Battalion,                     Washington County, PA Militia, Arrangement of Militia, 1781-1782.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 6, vol. 2, p.             28. 1781 John Kincaid, [000003] private, drafted into service with Capt. Cunningham, April 1, 1781, marched to                 McKeesport, Pa.., to serve seven months. War Department Pension Application of John Kincaid, S. 22,345 1782 John Kinkead, [000003] Jr., Lancaster County, PA sold land on Chartiers Creek, Petters Township,                     Washington County, PA to John Douglas, Washington County, PA, March 5, 1782. Washington County                 Court House, Washington, PA.  See:John Douglas.  The above is a draught of a tract of land situate in             Petters Township, Washington County, PA.  Surveyed January 12th 1785, in pursuance of a warrant granted         to John Douglas, Esq’r. dated Nov. 5, 1784, called John Douglass’s Delight, containing 330 acres with 6             percent allowance for roads.  David Redick D.S.  John Lukens, Esq.  Adjacent land owners:         John Douglass’s other land.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED             SURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol. A-75, p. 11. 1782 John Kincaid [000003] in 7th Class on roll of Capt. Zadok Wright’s Company of Washington County, PA             Militia, 1782.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 6, v. 2, p. 28. 1782 John Kinkead, [000003] private, 7th Class, Capt. Zadok Wright’s Company, 2nd Battalion, Washington                 County, PA Militia, A return of 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th Classes, ordered to rendevouze, June 14th 1782.  Given             Under my hand this 19th day June 1782.  Zadok Wright, Capt.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 6, v. 2, p. 53,         256. 1782 John Kinkead, [000003] private, 7th Class, Capt. Zadok Wright’s Company, 2nd Battalion, Washington                 County, PA Militia, A return of 6th, 7th and 8th Classes, ordered to rendevouze, September 15th, 1782.              Given Under my hand this 23rd day September 1782.  Zadok Wright, Capt.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 6, v.         2, p. 73. 1784 John Kincaid [000003] taxed in Peters Township, Washington County, PA.. Washington County, PA Tax             Lists. 1784 John Kincaid [000003] taxed in Smith Township, Washington County, PA. Washington County, PA Tax              Lists. 1784 John Kincaid, [000003] Washington County, PA Militia received 3 pounds 17 shillings per certificate #2171         on November 15, 1784.  Record proves active service. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File 1833 John Kincaid, [000003] of Jefferson Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania  John Kincaid, Penn. S. 22,345 22.660 Pittsburgh Penn. John Kincaid, Pittsburgh in the State of Penn. was a Private in the Co. commanded by Captain Minton of the Regt. commanded by Col. Beelor in the Penn. Line for two years. Inscribed on the Roll of Penn. Pittsburgh at the rate of 80 Dollars 00 cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March 1831. Certificate of Pension issued the 28 day of Nov. 1833 and sent to E. Simpson, Pittsburgh, Penn. Arrears to the 4th of September, 1833 $200.00 ?  allowance ending 4 March 1834          40.00                                                               240.00 Revolutionary Claim Act June 7, 1832 Recorded by Wm. ? Palmer, Clerk Book E, Vol. five, page 82 War Department Pension Office 15th Nov. 1833 Sir   The evidence in support of your ? and the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned.  The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form.  On comparing these papers with the following rules and the subscribed notes you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed before a pension can be allowed.  The notes and the regulations will show what is necessary to be done.  Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace (thus }).  You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with the, and you will by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim. A Statement, showing the Service of John Kincaid Period of Service Duration Rank Name & Rank of Field officers  age at present 1 May 1778  6 months Prvt. Capt. Minton    85 years, Pa.        Capt. Beeler 1 May 1779  6 months Prvt. Capt. Wright  1 May 1780  6 months Prvt. Capt. Cox        Capt.. Mitchel 1 May 1781  7 months Prvt. Cunningham I am, respectfully, Your obedient servant J.L. Edwards, Commissioner of Pensions Declaration in order to obtain the benefits of the Act of Congress passes June the 7th 1832 State of Pennsylvania County of Allegheny On this 25 day of October A.D. 1833 personally appearance in open court before the judges of the Court of Common Pleas now sitting John Kincaid, a ? of Jefferson Township in the County of Allegheny & State of Pa. aged eighty five years, who being first duly sworn according to Law with on ? oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefits of the Act of Congress passed  June the 7th 1832.  That he entered the service of the United States under he following named officers & served as herein stated.  John Kincaid states that he was drafted in the County of Yougheogheny, State of Virginia on the first day of May 1778 for the term of six months under the command of Captain Minton, from which place we marched to the mouth of Big Beaver Creek State of Pa. where we fell under the command of Colonel Beeler attached to General ?? McIntosh’s brigade at which place we built a fort called fort McIntosh at which place he accidentally cut his right knee while engaged in hewing timber for the fort.  That he received permission from the surgeon of the Regiment by leave of General McIntosh to return home ? he can be able to ? his respective Battalion which furlow  by permission ? state Oct. the 7th 1778.  After which he returned home & was confined by the wound to the 1st of Nov. when his term of service expired after having served six months as a private without receiving a discharge.  On the first of April 1779 he was drafted from the County of Youghoegheny in the state of VA for a term of six months under the command of Capt. Zadoch Wright from which place he marched to St. Michels Fort, State of Va. where we came under the command of Col. Cox at which place we remained, attending to duty to the 1st of October when his term of service expired & he returned home after having served six months as a private.  On the 1st of April 1780 he as drafted in the County of Youghegheny, State of Va. for the term of six months under the command of Capt. James Mitchell from which place we marched to James’ fort, State of Va. where we remained attending to duty to the 1st of October when his term of service expired & he returned home after having served six months as a private.  On the 1st of April 1781 he was drafted in Youghiogheny County, Va. for the term of seven months under the command of Capt. Cunningham from which place we marched to McKeesport, State of PA where we fell under the command of Colonel Laughery at which place we remained attending to duty to the 1st of November when his term of service expired & he returned home after having served seven months as a private & states further that he has no documentary  evidence with the exception of the surgeons certificate, which is hereunto annexed & that he knows of no person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his service except Joseph ? whose deposition is hereunto ? He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present & declares that his name is not to be found on the pension roll of the agency of any state or territory, sworn to & subscribed the day & year aforesaid:  John Kinkead, Francis McClure We, Samuel Weis, a clergyman, residing in the County of Allegheny & State of Penns.  Jonathan Walker, residing in the same hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Kincaid, who has sworn to & subscribed the above declaration that we believe him to be eighty five years of age that he is reputed & believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the Revolution & that we concur in that opinion.  Sworn & subscribed the day & year aforesaid Samuel Weis, A Men Jonathan Walker Francis McClure Sincerely Norman Kincaide       To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I may have found where this acreage could be.  His brother John Kinkead could be the John Kinkead Jr. who applied for 300 acres of New Purchase land in 1769. First go to this map: http://www.mapsofpa.com/18thcentury/1777fadenatlaspa.jpg Find Fort Pitt, find Chartiers Creek and Saw Mill.  See the description on the application in 1769.  I posted most of this information before.  But I am even more convinced that John Kinkead Jr. below is Samuel's brother. He's the only Kinkead who makes an early application for land near Pittsburgh.  I think the 300 acres included the land named in Samuel Kinkead's will. I believe that the John Kinkead in Samuel Kinkead's will is the John Kinkead below.  I also believe that this John Kinkead is the one baptized in 1751 and the Samuel Kinkead baptized in 1753. 1745 John Kincaid, [000003] born in Lancaster County, PA, placed on Allegheny County, PA pension list, age 86,  served as a private, Penn. Militia, on March 4, 1831, died Oct. 16, 1833 . Revolutionary War Pension Abstracts 1769 John Kinkead, [000003] Jr., formerly of Lancaster County, PA, applied for a warrant to take up 300 acres in  Washington County, PA (Cumberland County, PA in 1769) of new purchase lands, now in Allegheny County, PA,  dated, June 27, 1769, application #3562, New Purchase, warrant #25, patentee, John Douglas, Nov. 10, 1784, 291 acres, name of tract, Bucks Forest. Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, PATENT INDEX, P SERIES (P-1 to P-19), 1781-1794, P. No. 3, July 24, 1784-Sept, 19, 1785. 1769 John Kinkead, [000003] Jr., Application 3562, June 27, 1769, 300 acres, returned, Nov. 9, 1784 to John Douglass, Esqu. in Allegheny County, PA, on the south side of the Black Oak Ridge including three springs running to Shirtees Creek & to include a long bottom on both sides of the run northward of the Mange Hill about 3 miles from the head of the Sawmill Creek.  Peters Township, on a branch of Chartiers Creek, Washington County, PA.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, NEW PURCHASE REGISTER: NUMERIC LISTING OF APPLICATIONS, 1769, page begins with 3560. John Kinkead could have applied for his brother 1781 John Kinkaid [000003] taxed in Peters Township, Washington County, PA for 380 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows,         2 sheep at 254.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, vol. 22, p. 758. 1781 John Kincade [000003] taxed in Smith Township, Washington County, PA  for 200 acres, 1 horse, 1 cow, 3         sheep at 52.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, vol. 22, p. 774. 1781 John Kincaid, [000003] private, 7th Class, Capt. Zadok Wright’s Company of Militia, 2nd Battalion,                     Washington County, PA Militia, Arrangement of Militia, 1781-1782.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 6, vol. 2, p.             28. 1781 John Kincaid, [000003] private, drafted into service with Capt. Cunningham, April 1, 1781, marched to                 McKeesport, Pa., to serve seven months. War Department Pension Application of John Kincaid, S. 22,345 1782 John Kinkead, [000003] Jr., Lancaster County, PA sold land on Chartiers Creek, Petters Township,                     Washington County, PA to John Douglas, Washington County, PA, March 5, 1782. Washington County                 Court House, Washington, PA.  See:John Douglas.  The above is a draught of a tract of land situate in             Petters Township, Washington County, PA.  Surveyed January 12th 1785, in pursuance of a warrant granted         to John Douglas, Esq’r. dated Nov. 5, 1784, called John Douglass’s Delight, containing 330 acres with 6             percent allowance for roads.  David Redick D.S.  John Lukens, Esq.  Adjacent land owners:         John Douglass’s other land.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED             SURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol. A-75, p. 11. 1782 John Kincaid [000003] in 7th Class on roll of Capt. Zadok Wright’s Company of Washington County, PA             Militia, 1782.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 6, v. 2, p. 28. 1782 John Kinkead, [000003] private, 7th Class, Capt. Zadok Wright’s Company, 2nd Battalion, Washington                 County, PA Militia, A return of 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th Classes, ordered to rendevouze, June 14th 1782.  Given             Under my hand this 19th day June 1782.  Zadok Wright, Capt.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 6, v. 2, p. 53,         256. 1782 John Kinkead, [000003] private, 7th Class, Capt. Zadok Wright’s Company, 2nd Battalion, Washington                 County, PA Militia, A return of 6th, 7th and 8th Classes, ordered to rendevouze, September 15th, 1782.              Given Under my hand this 23rd day September 1782.  Zadok Wright, Capt.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 6, v.         2, p. 73. 1784 John Kincaid [000003] taxed in Peters Township, Washington County, PA.. Washington County, PA Tax             Lists. 1784 John Kincaid [000003] taxed in Smith Township, Washington County, PA. Washington County, PA Tax              Lists. 1784 John Kincaid, [000003] Washington County, PA Militia received 3 pounds 17 shillings per certificate #2171         on November 15, 1784.  Record proves active service. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File 1833 John Kincaid, [000003] of Jefferson Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania  John Kincaid, Penn. S. 22,345 22.660 Pittsburgh Penn. John Kincaid, Pittsburgh in the State of Penn. was a Private in the Co. commanded by Captain Minton of the Regt. commanded by Col. Beelor in the Penn. Line for two years. Inscribed on the Roll of Penn. Pittsburgh at the rate of 80 Dollars 00 cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March 1831. Certificate of Pension issued the 28 day of Nov. 1833 and sent to E. Simpson, Pittsburgh, Penn. Arrears to the 4th of September, 1833 $200.00 ?  allowance ending 4 March 1834          40.00                                                               240.00 Revolutionary Claim Act June 7, 1832 Recorded by Wm. ? Palmer, Clerk Book E, Vol. five, page 82 War Department Pension Office 15th Nov. 1833 Sir   The evidence in support of your ? and the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned.  The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form.  On comparing these papers with the following rules and the subscribed notes you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed before a pension can be allowed.  The notes and the regulations will show what is necessary to be done.  Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace (thus }).  You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with the, and you will by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim. A Statement, showing the Service of John Kincaid Period of Service Duration Rank Name & Rank of Field officers  age at present 1 May 1778  6 months Prvt. Capt. Minton    85 years, Pa.        Capt. Beeler 1 May 1779  6 months Prvt. Capt. Wright  1 May 1780  6 months Prvt. Capt. Cox        Capt. Mitchel 1 May 1781  7 months Prvt. Cunningham I am, respectfully, Your obedient servant J.L. Edwards, Commissioner of Pensions Declaration in order to obtain the benefits of the Act of Congress passes June the 7th 1832 State of Pennsylvania County of Allegheny On this 25 day of October A.D. 1833 personally appearance in open court before the judges of the Court of Common Pleas now sitting John Kincaid, a ? of Jefferson Township in the County of Allegheny & State of Pa. aged eighty five years, who being first duly sworn according to Law with on ? oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefits of the Act of Congress passed  June the 7th 1832.  That he entered the service of the United States under he following named officers & served as herein stated.  John Kincaid states that he was drafted in the County of Yougheogheny, State of Virginia on the first day of May 1778 for the term of six months under the command of Captain Minton, from which place we marched to the mouth of Big Beaver Creek State of Pa. where we fell under the command of Colonel Beeler attached to General ?? McIntosh’s brigade at which place we built a fort called fort McIntosh at which place he accidentally cut his right knee while engaged in hewing timber for the fort.  That he received permission from the surgeon of the Regiment by leave of General McIntosh to return home ? he can be able to ? his respective Battalion which furlow  by permission ? state Oct. the 7th 1778.  After which he returned home & was confined by the wound to the 1st of Nov. when his term of service expired after having served six months as a private without receiving a discharge.  On the first of April 1779 he was drafted from the County of Youghoegheny in the state of VA for a term of six months under the command of Capt. Zadoch Wright from which place he marched to St. Michels Fort, State of Va. where we came under the command of Col. Cox at which place we remained, attending to duty to the 1st of October when his term of service expired & he returned home after having served six months as a private.  On the 1st of April 1780 he as drafted in the County of Youghegheny, State of Va. for the term of six months under the command of Capt. James Mitchell from which place we marched to James’ fort, State of Va. where we remained attending to duty to the 1st of October when his term of service expired & he returned home after having served six months as a private.  On the 1st of April 1781 he was drafted in Youghiogheny County, Va. for the term of seven months under the command of Capt. Cunningham from which place we marched to McKeesport, State of PA where we fell under the command of Colonel Laughery at which place we remained attending to duty to the 1st of November when his term of service expired & he returned home after having served seven months as a private & states further that he has no documentary  evidence with the exception of the surgeons certificate, which is hereunto annexed & that he knows of no person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his service except Joseph ? whose deposition is hereunto ? He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present & declares that his name is not to be found on the pension roll of the agency of any state or territory, sworn to & subscribed the day & year aforesaid:  John Kinkead, Francis McClure We, Samuel Weis, a clergyman, residing in the County of Allegheny & State of Penns.  Jonathan Walker, residing in the same hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Kincaid, who has sworn to & subscribed the above declaration that we believe him to be eighty five years of age that he is reputed & believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the Revolution & that we concur in that opinion.  Sworn & subscribed the day & year aforesaid Samuel Weis, A Men Jonathan Walker Francis McClure Sincerely Norman Kincaide

Possibly Michael Kinkead's wife was from one of these families? McCULLOCH, Samuel. Hamiltonsban Township. April 6, 1773 June 1, 1773 Executors: John Agnew and Michael Kinhead. Wife: Margaret McCulloch. Children: Mary and Samuel. MURRAY, Duncan. Hamiltonsban Township. April 18, 1780 April 20, 1785 Executors: Michael Kincaid and David McClellan. Wife: Eleanor Murray. Child: John. http://files.usgwarchives.org/pa/york/wills/willabstrl-o.txt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Michael Kincaid Good thing you asked me about that will because while looking through my hard copies I found a tax record for Michael Kincade that I had missed putting in my timeline. 1797 Michael Kincade [000004] taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 165 acres, rate, 40?, valuation 880, amount, 3.44, 1 horse, valuation, 20.00, 3 cattle, valuation 30. County Tax Record Roll 5226, York County, PA. 1797 Samuel Kincade, [000004] distiller, single man, taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 1.20, 1.8. County Tax Record Roll 5226, York County, PA. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:03:05 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Michael Kincaid Next I give to my cousin Samuel Kinkaid, [000004] son to Michael Kinkaid, [000004] one hundred acres of my land near Pitchburgh (This was difficult to read and could have been Pittsburgh) on Petters Creek. === Norman, do you have an original copy of this Will? I am interested in seeing hard to decipher word - Pitchburgh. Previously, you read it as perhaps Fitchburgh. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------Tounsubscribefromthe list, please send an emailtoKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with theword'unsubscribe' without thequotesin the subject and the body of themessage

Next I give to my cousin Samuel Kinkaid, [000004] son to Michael Kinkaid, [000004] one hundred acres of my land near Pitchburgh (This was difficult to read and could have been Pittsburgh) on Petters Creek. === Norman, do you have an original copy of this Will? I am interested in seeing hard to decipher word - Pitchburgh. Previously, you read it as perhaps Fitchburgh. Peter

Dear Kincaid listers, why is it that the document you are seeking is found almost atthe bottom of the last box to be searched?  Hilarious.  I wonder if there is a theory for that phenomenon? Sincerely Norman Kincaide

Upon looking at the scan enlarged it's spelled: Pitchburgh. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:03:05 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Michael Kincaid Next I give to my cousin Samuel Kinkaid, [000004] son to Michael Kinkaid, [000004] one hundred acres of my land near Pitchburgh (This was difficult to read and could have been Pittsburgh) on Petters Creek. === Norman, do you have an original copy of this Will?  I am interested in seeing hard to decipher word - Pitchburgh. Previously, you read it as perhaps Fitchburgh. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good thing you asked me about that will because while looking through my hard copies I found a tax record for Michael Kincade that I had missed putting in my timeline. 1797 Michael Kincade [000004] taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 165 acres, rate, 40?,             valuation 880, amount, 3.44, 1 horse, valuation, 20.00, 3 cattle, valuation 30.  County Tax Record Roll 5226,         York County, PA. 1797 Samuel Kincade, [000004] distiller, single man, taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for             1.20, 1.8.  County Tax Record Roll 5226, York County, PA. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:03:05 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Michael Kincaid Next I give to my cousin Samuel Kinkaid, [000004] son to Michael Kinkaid, [000004] one hundred acres of my land near Pitchburgh (This was difficult to read and could have been Pittsburgh) on Petters Creek. === Norman, do you have an original copy of this Will?  I am interested in seeing hard to decipher word - Pitchburgh. Previously, you read it as perhaps Fitchburgh. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Duncan roots,great idea for Kinkead's of all spellings.Tom Kinkead #20720 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Chart Summary > Without a web page devoted to the DNA study, where would such a chart be > housed so that all could access it. Alice has very kindly been hosting the > chart itself but we cannot ask her to use more space to add more > explanatory > information. If there is someone who has the time and expertise to create > a > webpage then a chart like displayed at the Duncan site would be do-able > though our chart would be a bit more complicated. Although we have several > lines represented with multiple participants most of the lines hit a brick > wall before connecting with any degree of accuracy to a common ancestor. > > It has long been a desire that all linkages, vetted and otherwise be > disclosed for each participant. This would certainly be an advantage to > others trying to connect in and to others researching specific locations. > Here again we have the access problem. > > We also have another problem in that until we started vetting to the list > the lineages of participants were not publically disclosed. While Peter > may > be able to fill us in on participants who joined during his tenure as > administrator, Leslie did not share information she received from those > who > joined during her tenure. We do not have linkage information for the lines > she vetted much less those lines that are not vetted. Quit frankly it is > difficult to get each participant to disclose their lineage information, > some have gone on to other pursuits, others have died, some where > recruited > to represent a particular ancestor but though willing to donate DNA have > little interest in disclosing publically their lineage or pursuing further > connections and many do not have the time to gather the needed > information. > > I am reluctant to further expand the chart as it is already so large and > as > we gain further participants will even become larger. I would not rule out > producing another chart with the repetitions eliminated or, as more > connections are proven, doing some revamping of the present chart to add > additional information where the common earliest ancestor is repeated on > several lines. Unfortunately, at this time, doing this would not help a > great deal as we have implicated but unproven connections in many cases. > > What I can do is, as I have time, use the summary technique and list posts > to show the state of research in each group-set. However, in doing so, I > would be using my viewpoint which may not be accurate. I would like to > encourage all those who have not gone through the vetting process to do so > and those who were vetted by Leslie to disclose the linkages to their > vetted > ancestor. > > We could do a whole lot more if we had a dedicated web-page. Any takers?? > > Sue Liedtke > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Chart Summary > > > Thanks, Sue for the summary. I found a chart at the Duncan Roots.com > webpage > and it has an interesting chart format that might be of use to our > project. > See the link here: > http://dsa.duncanroots.com/Clan_News/DNAreport2007.1.htm > I find this chart makes it clearer to me who is the common ancestor or > likely common ancestor. > If that link doesn't work go here and then to DNA report 2007.1 > http://www.dsa.duncanroots.com/ > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:16:06 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Chart Summary > > The following is a summary of Groups and sets in the DNA chart. A-1 > information was posted earlier but is included her for continuity. > > Group A has the largest number of participants. This may be due to the > higher interest of descendents of colonial ancestors in genealogy though > there are participants whose ancestors did not migrate to N America. > > Set 1 has a 10 at marker 15. I have chosen values from this set to > represent > the Apparent Ancestral Values for the entire group. Others have suggested > that the AAV for marker 15 should be 9. Additional participants and > documents may show us better which is correct. > > A-1a-- about 1/2 of the ancestors in this set can be traced to > Augusta/Greenbrier Co. VA. This area is very complicated and the number of > participants reflects an attempt to use every tool possible to sort the > families. The rest of the set is scattered with the earliest ancestors > being > Rev. Joseph b c1724 Co. Down, Ireland and William/Sarah b c 1700 of New > Castle, DE. Other participants have traced to Westmoreland Co. PA, NJ, > Monongalia Co VA, Cecil Co. MD, Tippecanoe and Crawford Co. IN > > A-1b-- subgrouped by appearance of a 12 at marker 26. The earliest > ancestor is Joseph m c 1726 of Albemarle Co. VA, probable connections to > John of Sadsbury PA through sons Samuel b 1736 and David, and possible > connection to John the Patriarch b 1710 of Burke Co. NC. There is also > probable connection to David/Winnefred of Alb. Co. VA. Others trace to > Lewis > Co. TN, Morgan Co. OH and various KY counties. > > A-1c-- subgrouped by appearance of an 11 at marker 4. This set may or > may not be related more closely to each other than to someone in A-1a. The > marker 4 eleven is an unreliable indicator. In this set are 3 who trace to > Robert/Mary Bowman b 1742 of Hardin Co. KY, 2 who trace to Thomas and John > of Campbell Co. TN (originally from Greenbrier Co. VA), two more who trace > to Greenbrier Co. VA, one who traces to Ontario, Canada, one to Gilmer Co. > GA, and the earliest of the set to James/Helen Scott of Falkirk Parish > Scotland (d 1669). > > Group A-2. Set 2 and 4 is distinguished from set 1 by a 9 at marker 15. > > A-2a. Earliest ancestor is George/Jean Mitchell b 1733 of Cumberland Co. > PA. > One ancestor Samuel/Johanna Walch b 1811 did not leave Ireland. Other > members from Fayette Co. WVA and Westmoreland Co. PA > > A-2b This set has an 18 a marker 30. Earliest ancestors are James/Hannah b > 1739 of Rowan Co. NC , Andrew/Martha Townsley b 1745 of Cumberland Co. PA > and John/Anna Gregory b 1749 of PA (perhaps son of John of Carlisle). > Later > ancestors show up in Maury and Wilson Cos. TN. > > A-4 This set has a 14 at marker 19 and a 36 at marker 34. Four > participants > descend from David/Elizabeth Gardiner b 1798 who migrated from > Londonderry, > Ireland to New Brunswick, Canada. Three of these were recruited to > successfully isolate mutations. The others are associated with Co. Tyrone, > Ireland. Two of these descend from a suspected brother of David. > > A-undetermined. One participant has not upgraded to 37 markers. He is set > 2 > but the subset cannot be determined. Another particpant has results for > markers 1-12 so his set cannot be determined. > > Group B > The earliest participant is vetted to John/Margaret Blair b 1748 of > Campsie > Parish Scotland. The other 3 trace to Tyrone and Donegal Cos Ireland. > > Group C-1 All but one participant trace to Donegal Co., Ireland. Three of > these trace to John/Catherin Coulter b 1759. One participant traces to > Indiana. > > Group C-2. This Group may not be genetically linked to C-1, however, the C > designation has been retained for both groups because of early use within > the project. The earliest ancestors for this group trace to > George/Elizabeth > Dean b c1720 of Augusta Co. VA, Samuel/Margaret Clark b c1717 of Augusta > Co. > Va and Robert/Margaret Doherty of m pr1745 of Alleghany Co. PA. Others > trace > to Washington Co. PA, Harrison Co., KY, Jackson Co, OH, Washington Co., OH > and Muscatine Co. IA. > > Group D. Two participants trace to John/Elizabeth b c1730 of Bath Co. VA > (John of Bath) and two participants trace to William/Sarah Smith b 1806 of > Gasconade Co. MO > > Group E. Two participants. Each trace to Alexander Kinket b 1710 of > Dordreicht Netherlands > > Group F. Two participants. Only one with listed ancestor. He traces to > James/Janet Manuel b 1739 of Stirlingshire, Scotland > > Group G. Two participants who are not closely matched but share enough > likenesses that they appear to be from the same stalk. One traces to > James/Jane Watson b 1800 of Tyrone Co. Ireland and the other to > Robert/Isabella Nutt b 1855 Londonderry Ireland > > Group H. Two participants in Haplogroup E3b. One has not upgraded from 12 > markers and has no ancestor named. The other traces to David/Ann Tozieer > Jenkins of New Hampshire. > > Ungrouped. These participants have no match within the project. This may > be > due to an unknown break in the Kincaid male lineage or that other > participants have not surfaced from this particular line. Among this group > are participants tracing to Charles/Apphia b 1804 of Cumberland Co. Maine, > George/Margaret b 1825 of New York, New York, Thomas b 1745 of Indiana, > Thomas/Mary Echkels b 1802 of Coschocton, OH, and James Torrance/Mary Moor > b > 1800 of Alleghany Co. PA. > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, I do, photocopied from the York County Archives in 2006.  I'll have to dig it out, scan it and send it to you. Might take me until tomorrow to find it though. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 6:03:05 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Michael Kincaid Next I give to my cousin Samuel Kinkaid, [000004] son to Michael Kinkaid, [000004] one hundred acres of my land near Pitchburgh (This was difficult to read and could have been Pittsburgh) on Petters Creek. === Norman, do you have an original copy of this Will?  I am interested in seeing hard to decipher word - Pitchburgh. Previously, you read it as perhaps Fitchburgh. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:53 AM Subject: [KINCAID] John Kinkead's West Caln property > West Caln was called West Caln before it was created in 1744, the township > bordered John Kinkead's property in Sadsbury Township. > I believe the John Kinkead below to be John Kinkead Sr. of Sadsbury > Township Well we have a problem in that we have more land than accounted for. John`s 200 acre grant seems to have mostly remained in Sadsbury township. Then there is the 50 acre mill site. However, in 1765, based on your timeline, we have: 1765 Samuel Kinkead taxed in West Caln Township, Chester County, PA for 100 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows, 5 sheep. PA, s. 3, v. 11, p. 87. 1765 Robert Kinkead taxed in West Caln Township, Chester County, PA for 65 acres, 1 horse, 2 cows, 1 sheep. PA, s. 3, v. 11, p. 87. 1765 John Kinkead taxed in West Caln Township, Chester County, PA for 50 acres, 2 horses. PA, s. 3, v. 11, p. 87. 1765 Robert Kinkead taxed in East Caln Township, Chester County, PA for 250 acres, 2 horses, 1 cow. PA, s. 3, v. 11, p. 84. The fifty acres held by John in West Caln must be the mill site as he is identified as holding such in later tax lists. So where did Samuel`s 100 acres and Robert of East Caln`s 250 acres come from? Peter

----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:31 AM Subject: [KINCAID] John Kinkead's Sadsbury Township property [snip] > 1745 John Kinkead [37382] of Sadsbury Township, patent returned 200 acres > in Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA, December 10, 1745, warrantee, > John Kincaid, Feb. 4, 1734, 300 acres. Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, > Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS, 1733-1957, p. 29, p. 105. Thank you for this as I had overlooked the link between the 1745 patent and the 1734 warrant. I don`t think you will disagree in that the bulk of this grant was in Sadsbury Township, even after West Caln township was formed. After all, Charles was being taxed in Sadsbury township for 200 acres, apparently starting in 1765. Peter

----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:22 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Michael Kincaid [snip with your reference numbers removed] Next I give to my cousin Samuel Kinkaid, son to Michael Kinkaid, one hundred acres of my land near Pitchburgh ... [snip] Next I give to my cousin Michael Kinkaid ... [snip] In reading Samuel Kinkead's will I do not see a Michael Kincaid Jr. Only cousin Michael who is the father of Samuel. [My reply]. I do not see how one can make Samuel a 1st cousin once removed. For many years cousins were cousins and in many cases uncles, etc. were simply referred to as kinsmen. In the first bequests, he clearly leaves land to his cousin Samuel and goes to further identify him as son to Michael Kinkaid. This is the first reference in the Will to a Michael Kinkaid and he does not call this Michael his cousin. The next references to a Michael he does specifically call his cousin Michael. I have not, in the slightest, entertained a notion other than that Samuel died leaving land to his 1st cousin Samuel, son of a Michael, and also left personal property to his 1st cousin Michael, possibly another son of Michael or perhaps son of another uncle. Hence, my reference to a Michael Sr. and a Michael Jr. In context here Samuel is in all appearances a young single man - he being about to march in the Continental Service. He is old enough to hold land and clearly did so. His cousin, Samuel, is also old enough to hold land as he was left land in the Will and no references are made to others to hold land for him until he reaches the age of majority. Samuel, son of Michael, starts to appear in the tax lists in 1779. However, we first see a Michael Kincaid in 1762 - then being old enough to having fathered children. To me this supports the notion of a Michael Sr. An interesting question is where did the land that Samuel come from. It is interesting to note that Samuel, son of Michael, appears in the Fawn township tax lists as holding 270 acres the same year as the Probate of his cousin's Will. Peter

I don't know where that land came from as I had not found any deeds concerning that acreage. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:45:58 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kinkead's West Caln property ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:53 AM Subject: [KINCAID] John Kinkead's West Caln property > West Caln was called West Caln before it was created in 1744, the township > bordered John Kinkead's property in Sadsbury Township. > I believe the John Kinkead below to be John Kinkead Sr. of Sadsbury > Township Well we have a problem in that we have more land than accounted for.  John`s 200 acre grant seems to have mostly remained in Sadsbury township.  Then there is the 50 acre mill site.  However, in 1765, based on your timeline, we have: 1765 Samuel Kinkead taxed in West Caln Township, Chester County, PA for 100 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows, 5 sheep. PA, s. 3, v. 11, p. 87. 1765 Robert Kinkead taxed in West Caln Township, Chester County, PA for 65 acres, 1 horse, 2 cows, 1 sheep. PA, s. 3, v. 11, p. 87. 1765 John Kinkead taxed in West Caln Township, Chester County, PA for 50 acres, 2 horses. PA, s. 3, v. 11, p. 87. 1765 Robert Kinkead taxed in East Caln Township, Chester County, PA for 250 acres, 2 horses, 1 cow. PA, s. 3, v. 11, p. 84. The fifty acres held by John in West Caln must be the mill site as he is identified as holding such in later tax lists.  So where did Samuel`s 100 acres and Robert of East Caln`s 250 acres come from? Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I still see it as one Michael Kincaid in the will, father of Samuel Kincaid.. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:21:07 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Michael Kincaid ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:22 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Michael Kincaid [snip with your reference numbers removed] Next I give to my cousin Samuel Kinkaid, son to Michael Kinkaid, one hundred acres of my land near Pitchburgh ... [snip] Next I give to my cousin Michael Kinkaid ... [snip] In reading Samuel Kinkead's will I do not see a Michael Kincaid Jr. Only cousin Michael who is the father of Samuel. [My reply]. I do not see how one can make Samuel a 1st cousin once removed.  For many years cousins were cousins and in many cases uncles, etc. were simply referred to as kinsmen.  In the first bequests, he clearly leaves land to his cousin Samuel and goes to further identify him as son to Michael Kinkaid.  This is the first reference in the Will to a Michael Kinkaid and he does not call this Michael his cousin.  The next references to a Michael he does specifically call his cousin Michael.  I have not, in the slightest, entertained a notion other than that Samuel died leaving land to his 1st cousin Samuel, son of a Michael, and also left personal property to his 1st cousin Michael, possibly another son of Michael or perhaps son of another uncle. Hence, my reference to a Michael Sr. and a Michael Jr. In context here Samuel is in all appearances a young single man - he being about to march in the Continental Service.  He is old enough to hold land and clearly did so.  His cousin, Samuel, is also old enough to hold land as he was left land in the Will and no references are made to others to hold land for him until he reaches the age of majority.  Samuel, son of Michael, starts to appear in the tax lists in 1779.  However, we first see a Michael Kincaid in 1762 - then being old enough to having fathered children. To me this supports the notion of a Michael Sr. An interesting question is where did the land that Samuel come from.  It is interesting to note that Samuel, son of Michael, appears in the Fawn township tax lists as holding 270 acres the same year as the Probate of his cousin's Will. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 271 acres in Fawn Township, York County, PA.  I believe Samuel Kinkead of West Caln to be the son of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township and that he purchased 271 acres from Archibald White. 1771 Joseph & Thomas Kincaid.  [119921] Situate in Fawn Township in the County of York.  Containing as above set forth 271 acres & 61 perches and allowance of land, originally surveyed by William Matthews, late D.S. on the 24th day of the 1st month 1771 for Archibald White. In pursuance of a warrant which was granted to Alexander McCandless (Poplar Quarter) bearing the date 6th of June 1749.  And now on the 16th day of June 1813 the same has been calculated examined & found to be correct and at the request of the present owner Joseph & Thomas Kincaid, [119921] the same is returned for confirmation.  Adjacent land owners: Joseph Ross, Barrens, William Smilee, Barrens, Barrens, Thomas Brannon, Per Jacob Spangler, D.S.  To Andrew Porter, Esq’r.  Surveyor General, Harrisburg.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912,Vol. B-9, p. 12. Alexander McCandless, warrant, Fawn Township, Lancaster County, PA, #639, Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS, 1733-1957, Surnames beginning with "M", p. 147. This warrant was filed before York County was formed August 17, 1749 and thus is listed in Lancaster County, PA warrants. 1772 Samuel Kinkead [119921] bought from Archibald White 270 acres in Fawn Township, York County, PA on January 2, 1772.  Charles Kincaid [ccckincaid@netzero.net] to Norman Kincaide (LNG-CSP), Monday, March 31, 2008, 7:16 PM. 1801    Samuel Kincaid [119921] taxed in Fawn Township, York County, PA for 150 acres, rate41/2, valuation 675, 2 horses, rate 45,  valuation 90, 3 cows, rate 12, valuation 36, amount 459, tax 2.32.  York County Tax Record Roll 5236, York County, PA Archives. 1801    Samuel Kincaid [119921] taxed in Fawn Township, York County, PA as a single man at $1.00.  York County Tax Record Roll 5236,  York County, PA Archives. 1805 Samuel Kincaid [119921] & wife Agnes of Fawn Township, York County, PA sold to John McCleary of Chanceford Township,  York County, PA 100 acres called Poplar Quarter for 25 pounds on June 21, 1805.  York County, PA Deed Book 3R, p. 257. 1807 Samuel Kincade, Sr., [119921] taxed in Fawn Township, York County, PA for 150 acres, rate 7, valuation 1050, 3 horses, Rate 35,  valuation 105, 5 cows, rate 12, valuation 60, amount 1215, tax $3.16.  York County Tax Record Roll 5236, York County, PA Archives. 1807 Samuel Kincade, Jr, [119921] taxed in Fawn Township, York County, PA for 1 horse, Rate 40, valuation 40, 2 cows, rate 10, valuation 20,  merchant 100, amount 160,, tax $0.55.  York County Tax Record Roll 5236, York County, PA Archives. 1809 Samuel Kincade, Sr., [119921] taxed in Fawn Township, York County, PA for 150 acres, rate 6, valuation 900, 3 horses, Rate 45,  valuation 135, 4 cows, rate 10, valuation 40, amount 1075, tax $3.66.  York County Tax Record Roll 5236, York County, PA Archives. 1809 Joseph Kincade, [119921] taxed in Fawn Township, York County, PA for 1 horse, Rate 50,  valuation 50, 2 cows, rate 10, valuation 20, amount 70, tax $0.24.  York County Tax Record Roll 5236, York County, PA Archives. >From the Will of Samuel Kincaid, Fawn Township, York County, PA, will written September 8, 1810, proved November 7, 1810. Item, I give, devise and bequeath to my said two sons, Joseph and Thomas Kincaid and to their heirs and assigns all and singular my lands in Fawn Township aforesaid or also when to be divided between them  share and share alike as they may agree, subject to the payment of one  third the yearly value thereof; or one third the interest of the value of my whole lands to their Mother, my beloved wife Nancy; to be paid to her  yearly and every year for and during her natural life, as she may demand the same; and at her decease to revert to my two sons aforesaid, and this incumbrance cease and determain. 1811 Joseph Kincade, [119921] taxed in Fawn Township, York County, PA for 67 acres, rate 5, valuation 335,1 horse, Rate 40, valuation 40,  3 cows, rate 10, valuation 30, amount 405, tax  $0.81.  York County Tax Record Roll 5236, York County, PA Archives. 1811 Thomas Kincade, [119921] taxed in Fawn Township, York County, PA for 67 acres, rate 5,  valuation 335, 2 horses, Rate 40, valuation 80,  1 cow, rate 10, valuation 10, amount 425, tax $0.85.  York County Tax Record Roll 5236, York County, PA Archives. 1813 Joseph & Thomas Kincaid [119921] patented 271 acres, 61 perches, July 10, 1813, warrantee, Alexander McCandless, (Poplar Quarter), June 6, 1749, awn Township, York County, PA.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, PATENT INDEX, H SERIES (H-1 to H-20), 1809-1823, Surnames beginning with K, p. 189, Patent Book, Vol. 9, p. 196. 1813 Joseph & Thomas Kincaid.  [119921] Situate in Fawn Township in the County of York.  Containing as above set forth 271 acres & 61 perches and allowance of land, originally surveyed by William Matthews, late D.S. on the 24th day of the 1st month 1771 for Archibald White. In pursuance of a warrant which was granted to Alexander McCandless (Poplar Quarter) bearing the date 6th of June 1749.  And now on the 16th day of June 1813 the same has been calculated examined & found to be correct and at the request of the present owner Joseph & Thomas Kincaid, [119921] the same is returned for confirmation.  Adjacent land owners: Joseph Ross, Barrens, William Smilee, Barrens, Barrens, Thomas Brannon, Per Jacob Spangler, D.S.  To Andrew Porter, Esq’r.  Surveyor General, Harrisburg.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912,Vol. B-9, p. 12. Alexander McCandless, warrant, Fawn Township, Lancaster County, PA, #639, Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS, 1733-1957, Surnames beginning with "M", p. 147. This warrant was filed before York County was formed August 17, 1749 and thus is listed in Lancaster County, PA warrants. 1815 Joseph Kincaid [119921] & wife Patty & Thomas Kincaid [119921] of Fawn Township, York County, PA sold to John Vance of Fawn  Township, York County, PA 26 acres & 6 perches in Fawn Township for $228.35 on April 1, 1815, part of a tract of land granted to Joseph &     Thomas Kincaid by the proprietors of Pennsylvania on July 10, 1813, called Poplar Quarter.  York County, PA Deed Book 3B, p. 71. 1815 Samuel Kincaid [119921] of Fawn Township, York County, PA died possessed of 100 acres of land in Fawn Township, York County,  PA called Poplar Quarter which had been sold to John McCleary, who in turn made it over by a contract to John McLaughlin. As Joseph  Kincaid, a son of Samuel Kincaid, had been made receiver of monies due Samuel Kincaid for his estate, Joseph Kincaid & wife Martha  & Thomas Kincaid agreed to give a patent to John McLaughlin upon his paying the necessary fees and an additional $5 on Oct. 31, 1815.  York County, PA Deed Book 3R, p. 259. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:21:07 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Michael Kincaid ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:22 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Michael Kincaid [snip with your reference numbers removed] Next I give to my cousin Samuel Kinkaid, son to Michael Kinkaid, one hundred acres of my land near Pitchburgh ... [snip] Next I give to my cousin Michael Kinkaid ... [snip] In reading Samuel Kinkead's will I do not see a Michael Kincaid Jr. Only cousin Michael who is the father of Samuel. [My reply]. I do not see how one can make Samuel a 1st cousin once removed.  For many years cousins were cousins and in many cases uncles, etc. were simply referred to as kinsmen.  In the first bequests, he clearly leaves land to his cousin Samuel and goes to further identify him as son to Michael Kinkaid.  This is the first reference in the Will to a Michael Kinkaid and he does not call this Michael his cousin.  The next references to a Michael he does specifically call his cousin Michael.  I have not, in the slightest, entertained a notion other than that Samuel died leaving land to his 1st cousin Samuel, son of a Michael, and also left personal property to his 1st cousin Michael, possibly another son of Michael or perhaps son of another uncle. Hence, my reference to a Michael Sr. and a Michael Jr. In context here Samuel is in all appearances a young single man - he being about to march in the Continental Service.  He is old enough to hold land and clearly did so.  His cousin, Samuel, is also old enough to hold land as he was left land in the Will and no references are made to others to hold land for him until he reaches the age of majority.  Samuel, son of Michael, starts to appear in the tax lists in 1779.  However, we first see a Michael Kincaid in 1762 - then being old enough to having fathered children. To me this supports the notion of a Michael Sr. An interesting question is where did the land that Samuel come from.  It is interesting to note that Samuel, son of Michael, appears in the Fawn township tax lists as holding 270 acres the same year as the Probate of his cousin's Will. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message