My email address will be used for 130404; as well as 15550, which needs to be updated to dieckhorst@q.com). The actual contributor is Harry Keith Kinkade, b. 1929. Keith told me that he has macular degeneration and that is why he no longer does genealogy. He did all the early James Woodburn Kinkade research in the 1960's and 70's. We have just resumed contact after an approximate 20 year lapse. I have talked to him about getting documentation on Keith's grandfather William. The state of Iowa refused to let me have the death record as I was not a direct descendant. It is amazing how some states don't care what my relationship, if any is, and others want only a direct descendant to get a record. Unfortunately, most of my Kinkades were in states that don't post every vital record online! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Another son of 15550 line to participate > Margie is this kit #130404? > I will need to know who is contact and have permission to put the e-mail > address on the chart. > > We have had several new orders for tests in the last few days, at least > some > of which are long sought after lines. I am hoping that lineage and contact > info will be available by the time the results are returned. I would be > happy to send vetting formats to any who wish to start on that process. I > am > always happy to help (time permitting) anyone with organizing their > information for clarity and to present the strongest arguement possible. > Please contact me off list. seleaml@actionnet.net if you would like a > format. Please include your kit number so I know for sure who I am talking > with. > > Barb, thank you for your input on the vetting post for #11207 A-1b. I do > appreciate all those that take the time to look through the posts and > respond. It is so easy to miss something that may not be as clear as it > should be. With many eyes tracing the line we are more likely to end up > with > solid links. Confirmation as well as questions are welcome contributions. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margie von Marenholtz" <Dieckhorst@q.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:10 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Another son of 15550 line to participate > > >> Sue: The grandson of James Woodburn Kinkade's son William has agreed to >> participate in the DNA Project. Keith Kinkade was an avid Kinkade >> researcher in the 1960's and 1970's and was the driving force behind my >> own >> Kinkade research. I am working on ordering a 67 marker kit for him now. >> Margie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] another John in Carlisle >> >> >>> In looking at the upgrade to 67 results, there is a possible pattern >>> emerging at marker 50 (413b) and marker 60 (446). It is still too early >>> to >>> tell and both markers seem to have a parallel mutation but there is a >>> possible path with the 22 at marker 50 occuring 1st followed by the 14 >>> at >>> marker 60. Set 4's line would take off from #2519 (who has both >>> mutations) >>> at marker 19 (437) with a mutation to 14. If the pattern holds with >>> further >>> upgrades this means that 15550 would not find a common ancestor in the >>> colonies with any current project participant as 2519's ancestor >>> Samuel/Johanna Walch was b 1811 and d 1885 in Ireland and 2519's >>> ancestor >>> James Woodburn/Margaret Kuhn's was also b 1811. Finding another >>> participant >>> from James Woodburn's line (preferably from a different son) would help >>> confirm or eliminate mutations within this line and give us a better >>> picture >>> of where he fits in. >>> >>> Sue Liedtke >>> >>> >>>> I'M NOT UP TO SNUFF ON THIS SINCE MY CONNECTION TO JOHN THE SHOPKEEPER >>>> OF >>>> CARLISLE APPEARS TO BE A FORLORN HOPE, BUT THIS JOHN IS OF THE AGE ALSO >>>> TO >>>> BE THE SHOPKEEPER'S GRANDSON THROUGH ANDREW. SO I LOOKED BACK AT MY >>>> RECORDS AND FOUND REFERENCE TO "DEBORAH" AS HIS WIFE, AND THEN FOUND >>>> THIS: >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Margie is this kit #130404? I will need to know who is contact and have permission to put the e-mail address on the chart. We have had several new orders for tests in the last few days, at least some of which are long sought after lines. I am hoping that lineage and contact info will be available by the time the results are returned. I would be happy to send vetting formats to any who wish to start on that process. I am always happy to help (time permitting) anyone with organizing their information for clarity and to present the strongest arguement possible. Please contact me off list. seleaml@actionnet.net if you would like a format. Please include your kit number so I know for sure who I am talking with. Barb, thank you for your input on the vetting post for #11207 A-1b. I do appreciate all those that take the time to look through the posts and respond. It is so easy to miss something that may not be as clear as it should be. With many eyes tracing the line we are more likely to end up with solid links. Confirmation as well as questions are welcome contributions. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie von Marenholtz" <Dieckhorst@q.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Another son of 15550 line to participate > Sue: The grandson of James Woodburn Kinkade's son William has agreed to > participate in the DNA Project. Keith Kinkade was an avid Kinkade > researcher in the 1960's and 1970's and was the driving force behind my > own > Kinkade research. I am working on ordering a 67 marker kit for him now. > Margie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] another John in Carlisle > > >> In looking at the upgrade to 67 results, there is a possible pattern >> emerging at marker 50 (413b) and marker 60 (446). It is still too early >> to >> tell and both markers seem to have a parallel mutation but there is a >> possible path with the 22 at marker 50 occuring 1st followed by the 14 at >> marker 60. Set 4's line would take off from #2519 (who has both >> mutations) >> at marker 19 (437) with a mutation to 14. If the pattern holds with >> further >> upgrades this means that 15550 would not find a common ancestor in the >> colonies with any current project participant as 2519's ancestor >> Samuel/Johanna Walch was b 1811 and d 1885 in Ireland and 2519's ancestor >> James Woodburn/Margaret Kuhn's was also b 1811. Finding another >> participant >> from James Woodburn's line (preferably from a different son) would help >> confirm or eliminate mutations within this line and give us a better >> picture >> of where he fits in. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> >>> I'M NOT UP TO SNUFF ON THIS SINCE MY CONNECTION TO JOHN THE SHOPKEEPER >>> OF >>> CARLISLE APPEARS TO BE A FORLORN HOPE, BUT THIS JOHN IS OF THE AGE ALSO >>> TO >>> BE THE SHOPKEEPER'S GRANDSON THROUGH ANDREW. SO I LOOKED BACK AT MY >>> RECORDS AND FOUND REFERENCE TO "DEBORAH" AS HIS WIFE, AND THEN FOUND >>> THIS: >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think LIFO, Last In First Out, is probably the operative inventory term. At least it is in my stacks of files and papers. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Kincaid" <larryk34@gmail.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Hilarious > FILO, or First In Last Out from accounting . . . on the other hand, all I > can really remember is FIFO, first in first out. Clearly, the former must > appy to genealogy. Don L Kincaid > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Norman Kincaide > <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com >> wrote: > >> Dear Kincaid listers, why is it that the document you are seeking is >> found >> almost atthe bottom of the last box to be searched? Hilarious. I wonder >> if >> there is a theory for that phenomenon? >> Sincerely >> Norman Kincaide >> >> >> >> >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You know I'm a newbie when I ask the following question; Exactly what is vetting and could you explain the process to me? Is there a proper procedure in how I post my lineage for the "vetting" process? Thank you, Kelly

With Margie's new Kinkade participant we now have 4 new Kincaid's of all spellings who have taken advantage of the Current special pricing. 2 are Kincade's, 1 Kincaid and 1 Kinkade. Folks, it looks like the Kincade's are ahead so far. Seriously, This is by far the best pricing we have seen and being Scottish, we want to make sure everyone that is planning a dna test knows about the offer. If you have someone you want to take the test we might be able to help persuade him to participate. Several of you have written that a cousin, uncle or brother just will not agree to do the test and that has to be frustrating. We might mention that there is no way for anyone to be identified by the type DNA test used in the Kincaid Surname DNA Project so that should not be a worry. One of the reasons I personally did the DNA test is for my descendants benefit. It will be on record from now on and will certainly be of interest to my descendants as time goes on. Don W. Kincaid Kincaid Surname DNA Admin. Team donwkincaid@cox.net 254 631-5684

Sue: The grandson of James Woodburn Kinkade's son William has agreed to participate in the DNA Project. Keith Kinkade was an avid Kinkade researcher in the 1960's and 1970's and was the driving force behind my own Kinkade research. I am working on ordering a 67 marker kit for him now. Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] another John in Carlisle > In looking at the upgrade to 67 results, there is a possible pattern > emerging at marker 50 (413b) and marker 60 (446). It is still too early to > tell and both markers seem to have a parallel mutation but there is a > possible path with the 22 at marker 50 occuring 1st followed by the 14 at > marker 60. Set 4's line would take off from #2519 (who has both mutations) > at marker 19 (437) with a mutation to 14. If the pattern holds with > further > upgrades this means that 15550 would not find a common ancestor in the > colonies with any current project participant as 2519's ancestor > Samuel/Johanna Walch was b 1811 and d 1885 in Ireland and 2519's ancestor > James Woodburn/Margaret Kuhn's was also b 1811. Finding another > participant > from James Woodburn's line (preferably from a different son) would help > confirm or eliminate mutations within this line and give us a better > picture > of where he fits in. > > Sue Liedtke > > >> I'M NOT UP TO SNUFF ON THIS SINCE MY CONNECTION TO JOHN THE SHOPKEEPER OF >> CARLISLE APPEARS TO BE A FORLORN HOPE, BUT THIS JOHN IS OF THE AGE ALSO >> TO >> BE THE SHOPKEEPER'S GRANDSON THROUGH ANDREW. SO I LOOKED BACK AT MY >> RECORDS AND FOUND REFERENCE TO "DEBORAH" AS HIS WIFE, AND THEN FOUND >> THIS: > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This looks like an accurate vetting post on Sali's line. I believe that she has proven her connection back to James Kincaid and Elizabeth Church. Barb Van Hout ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sali" <eagledove77@sbcglobal.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: Vetting Post for #11207 > > Vetting #11207 Group A set 1b to > James Kincaid and Elizabeth Church > > Researcher, Sally Standley, is granddaughter of Lola Mae Kincade Gibson > > Participant is son of John Rufus Kincade and Geraldine Maley > > Proven by: > > Obituary in Ohio newspaper the "Plain Dealer" Feb. 22, 1994 for John Rufus > Kincade naming participant as son and Geraldine as wife. > > Personal Knowledge: He is acknowledged by family as son of John Rufus > Kincade. The family is large and have continued to keep in touch through > generations. For many years a yearly fish fry and ice-cream social was > held near Pocahontas, AR where the whole family gathered while Lola Mae > and others shared family stories. Family photos of all generations back to > James & Susan Runnion are identified and in the possession of the > researcher. > __________________________________________ > > John Rufus Kincade b 22 Jan 1904 Pocahontas, Randolph Co. AR d 21 Feb > 1994 Lakewood, Ohio buried All Saints Cemetery, Lakeland, Ohio m Geraldine > Maley > > Son of James Perry Kincaid and Georgeann Hawkins > > Proven by: > > Ohio Death Certificate for John Rufus Kincade lists above birth date and > place and wife Geraldine Maley. Lists parents as James Perry Kincaid and > Georgeann Hawkins. > > Probate Ct. Record #129 Randolph Co., Arkansas, Estate of Perry Kincaid, > Administrator John Kincade. > "That Whereas, J. Perry Kincaid was killed by electricity, near > Pocahontas, Arkansas on or about the 23rd day of July, 1926, leaving > surviving him his widow Birdie Kincade, and two sons, and one daughter, > Hulett Kincade and John Kincade, and Lola Gibson, nee Kincade;" > > 1910 Randolph Co., AR Census > Perry Kincade, 28 AR married 2nd/4 years ago > Birdie, wife 32 > Hulit, son 10 > Lola, dau. 8 > John, son 6 > > Pocahontas Star Herald, March 16, 1906 > p. 1 "The following marriage license was issued since our last issue: > J. P. Kincade to Mrs. Birdie Million" > p. 40 "Perry Kincade and Mrs. Birdie Million were married at the home of > Rev. M.D. Bowers Sunday at 3 o'clock p.m." > > Arkansas Bond and Marriage license issued to James P. Kincade and Georgia > A. Hawkins April 1, 1899. Certificate of Marriage April 2, 1899. > Certificate of Record April 24, 1899. Bond signed by John R. A. Kincade > > Personal knowledge Lola Mae Kincade Gibson acknowledged John Rufus as her > brother and participant as his son. Lola said her mother's name was George > Ann Hawkins who died when her clothes caught fire when Lola was 3 years > old. Lola is buried in the same grave plot as George Ann in the Sutton > Cemetary. Lola's death certificate lists James Perry Kincade and Georgann > Hawkins as her parents, informant was her daughter (mother of researcher). > Researcher's 1st plane trip was with Grandma Lola to see "Uncle John, Aunt > Gerry and the kids". > _______________________________ > James Perry Kincade b 1880 d July 23, 1926 m 1st Georgia A. Hawkins April > 2 1899, 2nd Birdie H. Carter Million > > Son of John Rufus Adams Kincade and Mary Elizabeth Sutton > > Proven by: > > Arkansas Bond and Marriage License for John R. A. Kincade and Mary E. > Sutton, March 19, 1880: Certificate of Marriage 21 March 1880: Certificate > of Record 27 March 1880. Bond signed by David Million and John R.A. > Kincade. > > 1900 Census Pocahontas, Randolph, Arkansas > John R. Kinsade 40 Ark > Mary E. 38 > George D 16 > Martha M 13 > Marion T 10 > Luke 8 > Fred 3 > Ed 1/12 > > 1930 Roanoke twp, Randolph Co. AR Census > Mary E. Kincade 67 b AR parents b Tennessee, widow, married at 17 > Hershel 9 grandson b AR parents b AR > Thomas S Sutton 55 brother b AR > > Mary's obituary reads: Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Kincade, aged 84, lifetime > resident of Pocahontas, died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Earl > Dawson, March 15. She was born March 18, 1863, a daughter of the late Mr. > and Mrs. Frank Sutton. Her husband, John Kincade, preceded her in death > several years ago. She was a member of the Free Will Baptist Church. > Funeral services were conducted at Sutton church Sunday at 2:30 p.m., by > the Revs. Ralph Staten and W. Harry Hunt. > She is survived by four sons, Geo., Ed, Luke and Fred Kincade; her > daughter and 37 grandchildren. > > > Personal knowledge: Lola Kincade Gibson told stories about staying with > Grandma Mary Elizabeth Sutton Kincaid. It was passed down in the family > that Mary E. found a cure that works well for colitis in babies. > Researcher's mother also stayed with her grandma Mary E. Sutton Kincade as > a child during summer months. Researcher personally knows as cousins a > son of George David Kincade, a granddaughter of Ed Kincade, and Hershel > Kincade, son of Fred Kincade among others. The children in the 1900 census > above were identified as Aunts and Uncles by Lola Mae. George David > Kincaid told his son about walking to Black Rock with his father who > worked there fixing tug boats and barges. They lived near the Black River. > > "Historical and Genealogical Abstracts from Randolph County Arkansas, > Newspaper of 1903 > Pocahontas Star Herald p. 42 > "Perry Kincade and family visited his father in Black river bottoms > Saturday night and Sunday" > > ____________________________ > John Rufus Adams Kincade b 4 Jan 1859 AR d 8 Dec 1903 Pocahontas, Randoph > Co. AR m 21 Mar 1880 Mary Elizabeth Sutton b 1863 dau of James F and Anne > Sutton > > Son of James P. Kincaid and Susannah Runnion > > Proven by: > > 1880 Census Randolph Co. AR > John Kingcad 21 AR parents b TN > Mary 17 AR parents b TN > (next door is James F. Sutton and Anne Sutton) > > 1870 Census Randolph Co. AR Demun twp Pocahontas post office > J. W. Collier 53 NC > Susannah 41 TN > V. Collier 6 TN (Victoria) > J.H. Kincaid 15 TN (note this should be G. H.) > Eliza Kincaid 12 TN > JOHN Kincaid 11 TN > W.H. Collier 12 TN > J.E. Collier 3 AR > > Randolph Co. AR Marriage Record > James W. Collier to Susan Kingkade filed Nov 18, 1862. Marriage Record > 27th day of Nov 1862. Certificate of Record 28th day of Nov 1862 > > Randolph Co. AR tax lists. > 1854 J.P. Kincade listed but has no assessment. > 1861 J.P. Kincade paid taxes on 120a > 1862 Susan Kincade paid taxes on 120a. J.P. is not on list > > 1860 Census Randolph Co. AR Roanoke Twp Blacks Ferry post office > (Extra census info will be needed in next link. Placed here to keep 1860 > AR census together in order to show locational relationship) > #1016 > Robert J. Newsom 43 TN Mill Right > Elizabeth 22 TN > Jerome W 5 TN > Margaret 4 TN > James 3 TN > Amanda 1 TN > > #1018 > James Kinkade 38 TN carpenter > Susan 26 TN > Lucinda 9 TN > George H. 7 TN > > #1019 > James F(rank). Sutton 31 TN > Anne 28 TN > Lucile 8 TN > Wm A. 6 TN > George W 5 TN > Francis M 2 TN > > 1860 Lawrence Co. AR Census (borders Randolph Co. near Blackrock) > #873 (note Samuel is actually last name in #872 but 1st name in #873 is 5 > yr old female with last name of previous family) > Samuel B Kincade 27 TN > Jane 39 > Rufus 22 TN > Mary A 18 > James R 7 > William G 7 > Elizabeth J 1 > > Samuel B Kincade married Jane Maxwell 22 Apr 1857 Lawrence Co. AR. No > divorce record from Barbara (see below) has been found. > Samuel B Kinkade and Rufus A Kinkade enlisted in the Confederate army in > Pocahontas, AR. Samuel died May 20, 1862. Probate records list his heirs > as James R and William G Maxwell and Elizabeth J. Kinkade. "Father and > Mother of said minors are both deceased." > > Letter written Oct 26, 1883 by "Nannie" Paddock of San Francisco to cousin > "Ellen" in Arkansas. Nannie is Amanda Newsom above. Ellen is Lucinda > Kincade Million, dau of Susan Runnion Kincade Collier. Nannie asks for > news about the family including Aunt Susan, cousin Henry, cousin George > Henry, cousin Johnny, "Vick" and Uncle Rufus. She mentions Mother, sister > Margery, and brother Jerome. > (Explanation of relationships for above) > > > ______________________________ > James Perry b c1828 TN d 1861-2 Pocahontas, Randolph Co. AR m June 8, 1850 > Lewis Co. TN Susannah Runnion dau of Thomas & Parthena Runnion. > > Son of James Kincaid and Elizabeth Church > > Marriage book Lewis Co. TN > James P. Kincaid and Susannah Runnion 8 June 1850 no return filed > Elizabeth A Kincaid and Robert Joe Newsom 17 Jan 1853 > Samuel B Kincaid and Barbary Runnions 16 April 1853 > > Alexander Kincade sold 174+acres in Lewis Co.TN to Robert J. Newsom 14 > July 1853. Property included a mill. No explanation of how 21 yr old > Alexander acquired the property. > 1850 Census Lewis Co. TN Civil Dist #5 August 29 > James Kincade 53 cabinet maker KY > Elizabeth 45 TN > James P 22 cabinet maker TN > Alexander 18 cabinet maker TN > Samuel B 17 cabinet maker TN > Elizabeth A 15 TN > Rufus A 13 TN > Sarah P 11 TN > Rachel C 8 TN > Martha E 4 TN > William L (sic T). 1 TN > > 1850 Census Lewis Co. TN Civil Dist #3 Sept 1850 > #329 > Thomas Runyan 74 > Parthenia 50 > Barbary 16 > Nancy 7 > Dorathy 3 > > #330 > Winny Runyan 26 F TN > John McHenry Runyan 2 TN > Susanah Runyan 17 TN > Lucinda Runyan 2/12 TN > > In 1869 Winny Runyan signed a deposition presented in court that she had > lived in Lewis Co. since it was formed "I have never been married. I have > five children." Barbara Kincaid is called as witness and did not come in > the same court case. > > 1860 Census Lewis Co. TN > #25 > Winney Runnions 36 > Jane 17 > John M 12 > Thomas 10 > Joseph 5 > James P 3 > Mary J 7/12 > William A 7/12 > > #27 > Thomas Runnions 77 > Parthena 60 > Barbara 25 > Sarah 12 > Mary 9 > John 8/12 > > #29 > James Kingkaid 65 TN (ditto mark runs down the page) > Elizabeth 58 TN > Rachel 18 > Martha 16 > Taylor 15 > James C. 5 > > James C. Kincade and his mother Barbara Kincade are buried next to each > other in Sheboss Cemetery, NW Maury Co. TN. According to this family > Samuel disappeared and Barbara never found out what happened to him. > > _________________________ > James Kincaid b c 1795-1797 KY, TN or NC d c1861 Lewis Co. TN m 1822-25 > TN Elizabeth Church dau. of Joshua and Priscilla Church. > > MARTHA ELEANDER KINCADE (see 1850 Lewis Co. TN census for James Kincaid & > Elizabeth) > > Record of Deaths published in the Maury County Historical Society, > republished in Historic Maury, 1987 included: Martha E. Pinion, white, > female, widowed, b. 9 June 1845, d. 18 May 1927, aged 81-11-9; dau. of > Jas. Kincaid and Elizabeth Church, both born North Carolina. Cause of > death was ureamia. Inf. given by Mrs. Joe Dunn, Mt. Pleasant, burial > Columbia. > > > > Son of unknown > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Kincaid, weaver of Albemarle/Augusta county in Virginia sold his land to his children about 1770. Possibly he moved to Nottingham Township in Chester County, PA? Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 > But I think he still would have been listed as clerk or cleric and not a > weaver or laborer. > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:44:36 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 > > The dates for the John Kinkead who was taxed in Nottingham Township are a > good match for Rev. John Kinkead, after he left Virginia and before he > moved > to Lycoming County in 1774. > > Barbara > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 > > > I have pondered that for a long time. Who was he junior to? I thought > maybe > John Kincaid the patriarch, but I think his John Jr. is accounted for. And > John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's John Jr. is accounted for. John > Kinkead > of Sadsbury Township's John Jr. is accounted for in Bart Township, > Lancaster > County, died in 1811. > There is a John Kinkead in Chester County: > 1768 John Kincade, inmate, taxed in East Nottingham Township, Chester > County, PA. Provincial Tax of 1768. > 1769 John Kincade, weaver, taxed in East Nottingham Township, Chester > County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 9, p. 573. > 1771 John Kinkead, labourer, taxed in East Nottingham Township, Chester > County, PA for 100 acres, 1 horse,1 cow, 2 sheep. Pennsylvania Archives, > s. > 3, v. 9, p. 742. > 1772 John Kinkaid taxed in West Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA, > payed 5 pounds rent to Phebe Meshman, 1 cow. > 1773 John Kinkead, East Nottingham Township, posted a recognizance bond at > Chester County Court of Quarter Sessions, February 1773 for James > Campbell. > Chester County Archives & Records Service, Index to Quarter Sessions > Indictment Records, 1681-1778, K. > 1773 John Kinkade, victim/complainant, riot, February 1773, against Robert > Criswell, East Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA. Chester County > Archives & Records Service, Index to Quarter Sessions Indictment Records, > 1681-1778, C. > Then there is this warrant that I have previously attributed to John > Kinkead > Jr. son of John Kinkead of Sadsbury > Township, giving his son John this warrant. I could be wrong and this > could > be the father of the John Kincaid in > Yohogania County and Samuel Kinkead (died 1779). > 1772 John Kinkead [000012] received warrant #304 for 70 acres in Bart > Township, Lancaster County, PA, May 21, 1772. A Lancaster County, PA deed, > Deed Book D, Vol. 6, p. 27 stated that John Kinkead of Bart Township, > Lancaster County, PA was the son of John Kinkead, Esq, who had been > granted > the Bart Township land on a warrant and had given it to his son. > Pennsylvania State Archives > 1772 John Kinkead. [000012] By virtue of a warrant bearing date the 21st > day > of May 1772, surveyed the 26th day of August unto John Kinkead the above > described tract of land situate in Bart Township in ye County of Lancaster > containing eighty-five acres & sixty-six perches of land besides the > allowance of six pcent. Jasper Scull. Adjacent land owners: Abraham Beam, > Jacob Graff, Thomas Smith, George Merkel, Jacob Foutz, Michael Wether. > Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED > SURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol. C-161, p. 233. > One of the adjacent land owners is Abraham Beam. John Kinkead served with > Jacob Beam in the Washington County, PA Militia. But if this is so it > still > doesn't explain to me who this other John Kinkead is? He could be the > father > of John and Samuel (Will 1776-1779). See also: > 1763 Elizabeth Kinkaid married Jacob Beam, June 22, 1763 in Lancaster > County, PA. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:06:31 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 > > Who was the John Kincaid, Sr? Was he also in Lancaster County, PA? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 > > > Good job, Barb! I beleive this is John Kinkead Jr. formerly of Lancaster > County, who applied for 300 acres > of New Purchase land in 1769, later of Washington and Allegheny Counties, > he > died in 1833 and filed his pension application: > 1833 John Kincaid, [000004] of Jefferson Township, Allegheny County, > Pennsylvania > John Kincaid, Penn. S. 22,345 > 22.660 > Pittsburgh Penn. > John Kincaid, [000004] Pittsburgh in the State of Penn. was a Private in > the > Co. commanded by Captain Minton of the Regt. commanded > by Col. Beelor in the Penn. Line for two years. > Inscribed on the Roll of Penn. Pittsburgh at the rate of 80 Dollars 00 > cents > per annum to commence on the 4th day of March 1831. > Certificate of Pension issued the 28 day of Nov. 1833 and sent to E. > Simpson, Pittsburgh, Penn. > Arrears to the 4th of September, 1833 $200.00 > ? allowance ending 4 March 1834 40.00 > 240.00 > Revolutionary Claim Act June 7, 1832 > Recorded by Wm. ? Palmer, Clerk > Book E, Vol. five, page 82 > War Department > Pension Office > 15th Nov. 1833 > Sir > The evidence in support of your ? and the act of June 7, 1832, has been > examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a > statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with > the > following rules and the subscribed notes you will readily perceive that > objections exist, which must be removed before a pension can be allowed. > The > notes and the regulations will show what is necessary to be done. Those > points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will > find > marked in the margin with a brace (thus }). You will, when you return your > papers to this Department, send this printed letter with the, and you will > by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of > your > claim. > A Statement, showing the Service of John Kincaid > Period of Service Duration Rank Name & Rank of Field officers age at > present > 1 May 1778 6 months Prvt. Capt. Minton 85 years, Pa. > Capt. Beeler > 1 May 1779 6 months Prvt. Capt. Wright > 1 May 1780 6 months Prvt. Capt. Cox > Capt. Mitchel > 1 May 1781 7 months Prvt. Cunningham > I am, respectfully, > Your obedient servant > J.L. Edwards, Commissioner of Pensions > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:36:37 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 > > Who was this John Kincaid in Yohogania County in the late 1770's? > > Annals of the Carnegie Museum: V. 1- > By Carnegie Museum, Carnegie Museum of Natural History > Published by Published by authority of the Board of Trustees of the > Carnegie > Institute, 1903 > Item notes: v.2 1903-04 > Original from the University of Michigan > Digitized Oct 17, 2005 > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=IUh0iLoL6ggC > > > Minutes of court for YOHOGANIA COUNTY > p. 252 > August 25, 1778 > > Review of a Road from Peters Creek to the house of Robert Henderson > beginning at the lower end of Zadock Wrights field from thence following > the > Ridge to Jacob Barrackmans land leaving him on the right hand from thence > to > Robert Hendersons. Returned by the reviewers and ordered to be confirmed. > > Ordered that William Bruce be appointed Surveyor of the Road leading from > Raredons ford passing by Kekendals Mill to the house of Robert Henderson > and > that the Tythables within three miles of each side said. Road work on the > same. > > p. 274 > July 27, 1778 > Recognizance of John Springer was produced in Court but neither party > appearing Ordered to be continued over to next Court. > > Robert Henderson v. John Kinkead, Benj. Kirkendal Gent. S.B. > (The case between Henderson v. Kinkead/Kincaid was continued quite a few > times.) > > Report of the Commissioner for settling and adjusting the Line between > this > County and that of Monongahela County returned by the said Commissioner > and > Considrd with by the Commissioner on the part of the said County of > Monaungala, is ordered to be confirmed, as the Bounds between this County > and the said County of Monaungahela and Ordered to be recorded. > > p. 296 > Frederick Farree, Ass. v. Kinkaid > > Harden Ju. v. Kinkaid - Contd. > > p. 392 > > October 25th, 1779: > "Philip Gilliland v William Lynn. then came a jury, towit; John Kinkaid, > John Embly, James Wright, Henry Hogland, John Bowley, Wm. Crow, Hugh > Brawdy, > Zadock Wright, Joseph Perkenson, Richard Crooks, Isaac Newkirk, Jno. Crow. > Verd.. for Plaintiff & Judmt. L 1000 > > **************************************************************** > > http://books.google.com/books?id=IUh0iLoL6ggC&pg=RA1-PT4&vq=Gibson&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=0_1#PPA401,M1 > > p. 401 > At a Court held for Yohogania County > February the 28th, 1780 > > John Gibson, Gent. one of the justices of the peace for this county prov'd > to the Satisfaction of the Court that he s'd as a Deputy Commisr in the > Service of Great Brittain at Fort Pitt in the year 1760, and that he has > never rec'd any Benefits under the Kings procl. of 1763. > > p . 102 > Sept. 22nd, 1777 > John Gibson came into Court and took the Oath of Ensign of Militia. > > John Campbell Gent. took his seat in Court > Alex Sumrall and Thos Jack > Walter Sumrall > > > p. 249 > Aug 24th, 1778 > John Gibson Gent. came into Court and acknowledged a deed of surrender to > Matthias Slough Esq. 1000 Acres of Land on the Ohio which is ordered to be > recorded. > > Matthis Slough was his brother-in-law, married to his sister Mary Gibson. > John Gibson had a brother George Gibson----this was the Capt. George > Gibson > named in Robert Kinkade's RW pension application, DNA #4588. This Gibson > family was in Lancaster County, PA as early as 1742. > > ********************** > > George Gibson, b. circa 1708; inn-keeper at Lancaster, and owned a large > number of tracts of land, which he had warranted from the Proprietaries. > He > died at Lancaster in December 1761, leaving a wife, Martha (Devinney) and > children as follows: > a.. i. Mary, b. 1734, m.. Matthias Slough. > a.. ii. Thomas, b. 1737. > a.. iii. John, b. May 23, 1740; was Gen. John Gibson of the Revolution. > b.. iv. Francis, b. 1742. > a.. v. Jean, b. 1745. > b.. vi. George, b. Oct. 10, 1747; m. Ann West; was Col. George Gibson, and > was killed at St. Clair's Defeat in 1791. > c.. vii. Ann, b. 1749. > > http://www.geocities.com/heartland/estates/3034/SarahsBook.htm > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The dates for the John Kinkead who was taxed in Nottingham Township are a good match for Rev. John Kinkead, after he left Virginia and before he moved to Lycoming County in 1774. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 I have pondered that for a long time. Who was he junior to? I thought maybe John Kincaid the patriarch, but I think his John Jr. is accounted for. And John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's John Jr. is accounted for. John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township's John Jr. is accounted for in Bart Township, Lancaster County, died in 1811. There is a John Kinkead in Chester County: 1768 John Kincade, inmate, taxed in East Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA. Provincial Tax of 1768. 1769 John Kincade, weaver, taxed in East Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 9, p. 573. 1771 John Kinkead, labourer, taxed in East Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA for 100 acres, 1 horse,1 cow, 2 sheep. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 9, p. 742. 1772 John Kinkaid taxed in West Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA, payed 5 pounds rent to Phebe Meshman, 1 cow. 1773 John Kinkead, East Nottingham Township, posted a recognizance bond at Chester County Court of Quarter Sessions, February 1773 for James Campbell. Chester County Archives & Records Service, Index to Quarter Sessions Indictment Records, 1681-1778, K. 1773 John Kinkade, victim/complainant, riot, February 1773, against Robert Criswell, East Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA. Chester County Archives & Records Service, Index to Quarter Sessions Indictment Records, 1681-1778, C. Then there is this warrant that I have previously attributed to John Kinkead Jr. son of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township, giving his son John this warrant. I could be wrong and this could be the father of the John Kincaid in Yohogania County and Samuel Kinkead (died 1779). 1772 John Kinkead [000012] received warrant #304 for 70 acres in Bart Township, Lancaster County, PA, May 21, 1772. A Lancaster County, PA deed, Deed Book D, Vol. 6, p. 27 stated that John Kinkead of Bart Township, Lancaster County, PA was the son of John Kinkead, Esq, who had been granted the Bart Township land on a warrant and had given it to his son. Pennsylvania State Archives 1772 John Kinkead. [000012] By virtue of a warrant bearing date the 21st day of May 1772, surveyed the 26th day of August unto John Kinkead the above described tract of land situate in Bart Township in ye County of Lancaster containing eighty-five acres & sixty-six perches of land besides the allowance of six pcent. Jasper Scull. Adjacent land owners: Abraham Beam, Jacob Graff, Thomas Smith, George Merkel, Jacob Foutz, Michael Wether. Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol. C-161, p. 233. One of the adjacent land owners is Abraham Beam. John Kinkead served with Jacob Beam in the Washington County, PA Militia. But if this is so it still doesn't explain to me who this other John Kinkead is? He could be the father of John and Samuel (Will 1776-1779). See also: 1763 Elizabeth Kinkaid married Jacob Beam, June 22, 1763 in Lancaster County, PA. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:06:31 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 Who was the John Kincaid, Sr? Was he also in Lancaster County, PA? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 Good job, Barb! I beleive this is John Kinkead Jr. formerly of Lancaster County, who applied for 300 acres of New Purchase land in 1769, later of Washington and Allegheny Counties, he died in 1833 and filed his pension application: 1833 John Kincaid, [000004] of Jefferson Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania John Kincaid, Penn. S. 22,345 22.660 Pittsburgh Penn. John Kincaid, [000004] Pittsburgh in the State of Penn. was a Private in the Co. commanded by Captain Minton of the Regt. commanded by Col. Beelor in the Penn. Line for two years. Inscribed on the Roll of Penn. Pittsburgh at the rate of 80 Dollars 00 cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March 1831. Certificate of Pension issued the 28 day of Nov. 1833 and sent to E. Simpson, Pittsburgh, Penn. Arrears to the 4th of September, 1833 $200.00 ? allowance ending 4 March 1834 40.00 240.00 Revolutionary Claim Act June 7, 1832 Recorded by Wm. ? Palmer, Clerk Book E, Vol. five, page 82 War Department Pension Office 15th Nov. 1833 Sir The evidence in support of your ? and the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules and the subscribed notes you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will show what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace (thus }). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with the, and you will by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim. A Statement, showing the Service of John Kincaid Period of Service Duration Rank Name & Rank of Field officers age at present 1 May 1778 6 months Prvt. Capt. Minton 85 years, Pa. Capt. Beeler 1 May 1779 6 months Prvt. Capt. Wright 1 May 1780 6 months Prvt. Capt. Cox Capt. Mitchel 1 May 1781 7 months Prvt. Cunningham I am, respectfully, Your obedient servant J.L. Edwards, Commissioner of Pensions Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:36:37 PM Subject: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 Who was this John Kincaid in Yohogania County in the late 1770's? Annals of the Carnegie Museum: V. 1- By Carnegie Museum, Carnegie Museum of Natural History Published by Published by authority of the Board of Trustees of the Carnegie Institute, 1903 Item notes: v.2 1903-04 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Oct 17, 2005 http://books.google.com/books?id=IUh0iLoL6ggC Minutes of court for YOHOGANIA COUNTY p. 252 August 25, 1778 Review of a Road from Peters Creek to the house of Robert Henderson beginning at the lower end of Zadock Wrights field from thence following the Ridge to Jacob Barrackmans land leaving him on the right hand from thence to Robert Hendersons. Returned by the reviewers and ordered to be confirmed. Ordered that William Bruce be appointed Surveyor of the Road leading from Raredons ford passing by Kekendals Mill to the house of Robert Henderson and that the Tythables within three miles of each side said. Road work on the same. p. 274 July 27, 1778 Recognizance of John Springer was produced in Court but neither party appearing Ordered to be continued over to next Court. Robert Henderson v. John Kinkead, Benj. Kirkendal Gent. S.B. (The case between Henderson v. Kinkead/Kincaid was continued quite a few times.) Report of the Commissioner for settling and adjusting the Line between this County and that of Monongahela County returned by the said Commissioner and Considrd with by the Commissioner on the part of the said County of Monaungala, is ordered to be confirmed, as the Bounds between this County and the said County of Monaungahela and Ordered to be recorded. p. 296 Frederick Farree, Ass. v. Kinkaid Harden Ju. v. Kinkaid - Contd. p. 392 October 25th, 1779: "Philip Gilliland v William Lynn. then came a jury, towit; John Kinkaid, John Embly, James Wright, Henry Hogland, John Bowley, Wm. Crow, Hugh Brawdy, Zadock Wright, Joseph Perkenson, Richard Crooks, Isaac Newkirk, Jno. Crow. Verd.. for Plaintiff & Judmt. L 1000 **************************************************************** http://books.google.com/books?id=IUh0iLoL6ggC&pg=RA1-PT4&vq=Gibson&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=0_1#PPA401,M1 p. 401 At a Court held for Yohogania County February the 28th, 1780 John Gibson, Gent. one of the justices of the peace for this county prov'd to the Satisfaction of the Court that he s'd as a Deputy Commisr in the Service of Great Brittain at Fort Pitt in the year 1760, and that he has never rec'd any Benefits under the Kings procl. of 1763. p . 102 Sept. 22nd, 1777 John Gibson came into Court and took the Oath of Ensign of Militia. John Campbell Gent. took his seat in Court Alex Sumrall and Thos Jack Walter Sumrall p. 249 Aug 24th, 1778 John Gibson Gent. came into Court and acknowledged a deed of surrender to Matthias Slough Esq. 1000 Acres of Land on the Ohio which is ordered to be recorded. Matthis Slough was his brother-in-law, married to his sister Mary Gibson. John Gibson had a brother George Gibson----this was the Capt. George Gibson named in Robert Kinkade's RW pension application, DNA #4588. This Gibson family was in Lancaster County, PA as early as 1742. ********************** George Gibson, b. circa 1708; inn-keeper at Lancaster, and owned a large number of tracts of land, which he had warranted from the Proprietaries. He died at Lancaster in December 1761, leaving a wife, Martha (Devinney) and children as follows: a.. i. Mary, b. 1734, m.. Matthias Slough. a.. ii. Thomas, b. 1737. a.. iii. John, b. May 23, 1740; was Gen. John Gibson of the Revolution. b.. iv. Francis, b. 1742. a.. v. Jean, b. 1745. b.. vi. George, b. Oct. 10, 1747; m. Ann West; was Col. George Gibson, and was killed at St. Clair's Defeat in 1791. c.. vii. Ann, b. 1749. http://www.geocities.com/heartland/estates/3034/SarahsBook.htm To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message

But I think he still would have been listed as clerk or cleric and not a weaver or laborer. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:44:36 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 The dates for the John Kinkead who was taxed in Nottingham Township are a good match for Rev. John Kinkead, after he left Virginia and before he moved to Lycoming County in 1774. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 I have pondered that for a long time. Who was he junior to? I thought maybe John Kincaid the patriarch, but I think his John Jr. is accounted for. And John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's John Jr. is accounted for. John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township's John Jr. is accounted for in Bart Township, Lancaster County, died in 1811. There is a John Kinkead in Chester County: 1768 John Kincade, inmate, taxed in East Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA. Provincial Tax of 1768. 1769 John Kincade, weaver, taxed in East Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 9, p. 573. 1771 John Kinkead, labourer, taxed in East Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA for 100 acres, 1 horse,1 cow, 2 sheep. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 9, p. 742. 1772 John Kinkaid taxed in West Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA, payed 5 pounds rent to Phebe Meshman, 1 cow. 1773 John Kinkead, East Nottingham Township, posted a recognizance bond at Chester County Court of Quarter Sessions, February 1773 for James Campbell. Chester County Archives & Records Service, Index to Quarter Sessions Indictment Records, 1681-1778, K. 1773 John Kinkade, victim/complainant, riot, February 1773, against Robert Criswell, East Nottingham Township, Chester County, PA. Chester County Archives & Records Service, Index to Quarter Sessions Indictment Records, 1681-1778, C. Then there is this warrant that I have previously attributed to John Kinkead Jr. son of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township, giving his son John this warrant. I could be wrong and this could be the father of the John Kincaid in Yohogania County and Samuel Kinkead (died 1779). 1772 John Kinkead [000012] received warrant #304 for 70 acres in Bart Township, Lancaster County, PA, May 21, 1772. A Lancaster County, PA deed, Deed Book D, Vol. 6, p. 27 stated that John Kinkead of Bart Township, Lancaster County, PA was the son of John Kinkead, Esq, who had been granted the Bart Township land on a warrant and had given it to his son. Pennsylvania State Archives 1772 John Kinkead. [000012] By virtue of a warrant bearing date the 21st day of May 1772, surveyed the 26th day of August unto John Kinkead the above described tract of land situate in Bart Township in ye County of Lancaster containing eighty-five acres & sixty-six perches of land besides the allowance of six pcent. Jasper Scull. Adjacent land owners: Abraham Beam, Jacob Graff, Thomas Smith, George Merkel, Jacob Foutz, Michael Wether. Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol. C-161, p. 233. One of the adjacent land owners is Abraham Beam. John Kinkead served with Jacob Beam in the Washington County, PA Militia. But if this is so it still doesn't explain to me who this other John Kinkead is? He could be the father of John and Samuel (Will 1776-1779). See also: 1763 Elizabeth Kinkaid married Jacob Beam, June 22, 1763 in Lancaster County, PA. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:06:31 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 Who was the John Kincaid, Sr? Was he also in Lancaster County, PA? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 Good job, Barb! I beleive this is John Kinkead Jr. formerly of Lancaster County, who applied for 300 acres of New Purchase land in 1769, later of Washington and Allegheny Counties, he died in 1833 and filed his pension application: 1833 John Kincaid, [000004] of Jefferson Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania John Kincaid, Penn. S. 22,345 22.660 Pittsburgh Penn. John Kincaid, [000004] Pittsburgh in the State of Penn. was a Private in the Co. commanded by Captain Minton of the Regt. commanded by Col. Beelor in the Penn. Line for two years. Inscribed on the Roll of Penn. Pittsburgh at the rate of 80 Dollars 00 cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March 1831. Certificate of Pension issued the 28 day of Nov. 1833 and sent to E. Simpson, Pittsburgh, Penn. Arrears to the 4th of September, 1833 $200.00 ? allowance ending 4 March 1834 40.00 240.00 Revolutionary Claim Act June 7, 1832 Recorded by Wm. ? Palmer, Clerk Book E, Vol. five, page 82 War Department Pension Office 15th Nov. 1833 Sir The evidence in support of your ? and the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules and the subscribed notes you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will show what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace (thus }). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with the, and you will by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim. A Statement, showing the Service of John Kincaid Period of Service Duration Rank Name & Rank of Field officers age at present 1 May 1778 6 months Prvt. Capt. Minton 85 years, Pa. Capt. Beeler 1 May 1779 6 months Prvt. Capt. Wright 1 May 1780 6 months Prvt. Capt. Cox Capt. Mitchel 1 May 1781 7 months Prvt. Cunningham I am, respectfully, Your obedient servant J.L. Edwards, Commissioner of Pensions Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:36:37 PM Subject: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of Yohogania County---1778 Who was this John Kincaid in Yohogania County in the late 1770's? Annals of the Carnegie Museum: V. 1- By Carnegie Museum, Carnegie Museum of Natural History Published by Published by authority of the Board of Trustees of the Carnegie Institute, 1903 Item notes: v.2 1903-04 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Oct 17, 2005 http://books.google.com/books?id=IUh0iLoL6ggC Minutes of court for YOHOGANIA COUNTY p. 252 August 25, 1778 Review of a Road from Peters Creek to the house of Robert Henderson beginning at the lower end of Zadock Wrights field from thence following the Ridge to Jacob Barrackmans land leaving him on the right hand from thence to Robert Hendersons. Returned by the reviewers and ordered to be confirmed. Ordered that William Bruce be appointed Surveyor of the Road leading from Raredons ford passing by Kekendals Mill to the house of Robert Henderson and that the Tythables within three miles of each side said. Road work on the same. p. 274 July 27, 1778 Recognizance of John Springer was produced in Court but neither party appearing Ordered to be continued over to next Court. Robert Henderson v. John Kinkead, Benj. Kirkendal Gent. S.B. (The case between Henderson v. Kinkead/Kincaid was continued quite a few times.) Report of the Commissioner for settling and adjusting the Line between this County and that of Monongahela County returned by the said Commissioner and Considrd with by the Commissioner on the part of the said County of Monaungala, is ordered to be confirmed, as the Bounds between this County and the said County of Monaungahela and Ordered to be recorded. p. 296 Frederick Farree, Ass. v. Kinkaid Harden Ju. v. Kinkaid - Contd. p. 392 October 25th, 1779: "Philip Gilliland v William Lynn. then came a jury, towit; John Kinkaid, John Embly, James Wright, Henry Hogland, John Bowley, Wm. Crow, Hugh Brawdy, Zadock Wright, Joseph Perkenson, Richard Crooks, Isaac Newkirk, Jno. Crow. Verd.. for Plaintiff & Judmt. L 1000 **************************************************************** http://books.google.com/books?id=IUh0iLoL6ggC&pg=RA1-PT4&vq=Gibson&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=0_1#PPA401,M1 p. 401 At a Court held for Yohogania County February the 28th, 1780 John Gibson, Gent. one of the justices of the peace for this county prov'd to the Satisfaction of the Court that he s'd as a Deputy Commisr in the Service of Great Brittain at Fort Pitt in the year 1760, and that he has never rec'd any Benefits under the Kings procl. of 1763. p . 102 Sept. 22nd, 1777 John Gibson came into Court and took the Oath of Ensign of Militia. John Campbell Gent. took his seat in Court Alex Sumrall and Thos Jack Walter Sumrall p. 249 Aug 24th, 1778 John Gibson Gent. came into Court and acknowledged a deed of surrender to Matthias Slough Esq. 1000 Acres of Land on the Ohio which is ordered to be recorded. Matthis Slough was his brother-in-law, married to his sister Mary Gibson. John Gibson had a brother George Gibson----this was the Capt. George Gibson named in Robert Kinkade's RW pension application, DNA #4588. This Gibson family was in Lancaster County, PA as early as 1742. ********************** George Gibson, b. circa 1708; inn-keeper at Lancaster, and owned a large number of tracts of land, which he had warranted from the Proprietaries. He died at Lancaster in December 1761, leaving a wife, Martha (Devinney) and children as follows: a.. i. Mary, b. 1734, m.. Matthias Slough. a.. ii. Thomas, b. 1737. a.. iii. John, b. May 23, 1740; was Gen. John Gibson of the Revolution. b.. iv. Francis, b. 1742. a.. v. Jean, b. 1745. b.. vi. George, b. Oct. 10, 1747; m. Ann West; was Col. George Gibson, and was killed at St. Clair's Defeat in 1791. c.. vii. Ann, b. 1749. http://www.geocities.com/heartland/estates/3034/SarahsBook.htm To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, Thank you! Such a nice group of people, especially to be kin to, LOL! Kelly

Don, Yes, thank you. I do have a copy of Calvin's death certificate. It seems that lots of people are researching Calvin/Telitha Nida and their children. Calvin is a brother to my gggrandfather, Mordecai. The boys' father and mother is Mathew/Elizabeth Humble. I just can't seem to find anyone who has done research on Mordecai's, or Calvin's upward line, passed their father Mathew. Or at least documented proof of Mathew's father. Do you know if anyone has researched the various Kincaid's that arrived in America, and was able to work the lines downward to the present? At least, then I could eliminate certain lines. Also, does anyone have knowledge of the first instance of the spelling "Kincade", where, or how it started, who started using it, and why? I understand that mistakes where made during a time when spelling wasn't an issue, more people were illiterate, than were not. But, I would like to have an idea of when it became a common usage of the name Kincaid. I have heard stories, from my family, that two brothers had came to America that were not getting along, and one decided to spell his different, as not to be associated with the other. Handed-down stories of course, are subject to all kinds of debate. Thanks, Kelly

Norman, thank you so much, that's great. I'm not sure which states this will take me back to. So far, I have Mathew as being born in VA, around 1808. But, I don't know where he was when he married Elizabeth Humble, b. 1813, I do know that they went to Indiana, Iowa, and then to Missouri. I would like to find his father, and of course, his siblings. That might be a tall order. I've had some tell me, that he is of the Thomas/Hannah Tincher line, but haven't been able to connect it exactly yet. I am so new to this, that I've gotten past the excited stage, now, I'm in the headache stage, ha ha. What stage comes next? Nervous Breakdown? ha ha Anything you would like to share, you can e-mail directly if you'd like. I will be posting what info I have, but it'll take me a few days to get it all back together to send it in. Bob - that's what everyone calls my dad as well, guess that's standard. But, his mother had 4 boys, all with R names; Robert, Roger, Richard, Ronnie. Now, that's a headache when they were all in trouble. Thanks to both of you! Kelly

>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Mason–Dixon line is made up of four segments corresponding to the terms of the settlement: Tangent Line, North Line, Arc Line, and 39° 43' N parallel. The most difficult task was fixing the Tangent Line, as they had to confirm the accuracy of the Transpeninsular Line mid-point and the Twelve-Mile Circle, determine the tangent point along the circle, then actually survey and monument the border. They then surveyed the North and Arc Lines. They did this work between 1763 and 1767. This actually left a small wedge of land in dispute between Delaware and Pennsylvania until 1921. In April 1765 Mason and Dixon began their survey of the more famous Maryland-Pennsylvania line. They were commissioned to run it for a distance of five degrees of longitude west from the Delaware River, fixing the western boundary of Pennsylvania (see the entry for Yohogania County). However, in October 1767 at Dunkard Creek near Mount Morris, Pennsylvania, nearly 244 miles (392 km) west of the Delaware, a group of Native Americans forced them to quit their progress. In 1784, surveyors David Rittenhouse and Andrew Ellicott and their crew completed the survey of the Mason-Dixon line to the southwest corner of Pennsylvania, five degrees from the Delaware River. Other surveyors continued west to the Ohio River. The section of the line between the southwestern corner of Pennsylvania and the river is the county line between Marshall and Wetzel counties, West Virginia. The boundary between Pennsylvania and Maryland was resurveyed in 1849, then again in 1900. Larry Kincaid 117939 A-1a Re Norman's post: From Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh,_Pennsylvania Pittsburgh was named in 1758 by General John Forbes in honor of the British statesman, Sir William Pitt. Given that Forbes was a Scotsman, some speculate the intended pronunciation of the settlement was "Pittsburra", similar to the pronunciation of Edinburgh. It was incorporated as a borough in 1794 and chartered as a city in 1816.[12] British General Edward Braddock's campaign (with Washington as his aide) to take Fort Duquesne failed, but General John Forbes's subsequent campaign succeeded. After the French abandoned and destroyed Fort Duquesne in 1758, Forbes ordered the construction of Fort Pitt, named after British Secretary of State William Pitt the Elder. He also named the settlement between the rivers "Pittsborough."[18] During Pontiac's Rebellion, Ohio Valley and Great Lakes tribes besieged Fort Pitt for two months. The siege was ended after Colonel Bouquet defeated the native forces in the Battle of Bushy Run just to the east of the forks. In the 1768 Treaty of Fort Stanwix, the descendants of William Penn purchased from the Six Nations western lands that included most of the present site of Pittsburgh. In 1769, a survey was made of the land situated between the two rivers, called the "Manor of Pittsburgh."[19] Both Virginia and Pennsylvania claimed the Pittsburgh area during colonial times and would continue to do so until 1780 when both states agreed to extend the Mason-Dixon Line westward, placing Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

Thank you, Robert Bruce. Robert is my father's name. Do they call you Robert, or Bruce? Kelly

Greetings to all; my name is Kelly Kincade and I am new to the list. I tried to post this message the other day, but I guess I was unsuccessful. I have been reading the archives for the last couple of months, but just got the nerve to actually join and use the list. I will be posting my lineage very soon to the list, hopefully it will help someone, and possibly get me past this "road-block" that I have encountered. I have gotten as far back as Mathew/Elizabeth Humble Kincade/Kincaid. It seems his father is in question. So, in order to maybe steer me in a clearer direction, my father has joined the DNA project and requested a kit. Seems like a very good deal through the end of August at the reduced rate. I look forward to joining this extended family, and hope that I may contribute as much as all of you have. A note to Ruth, my heart, prayers and thoughts are with you. I lost my mother last year. I hope comfort comes to you soon. Kelly Kincade-Lewis

Hi James, I will take care of this when I return home next Wednesday night. As of now I am in MA for my mom's funeral tomorrow. I thank all you many people who wrote me both publicly and privately with your sympathies. You are such a wonderful group. Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 8/21/2008 5:06:03 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jakin94939@aol.com writes: Hi, My name is James Akin, Lexington, Ky and I am a descendent of William Kincaid who fought in the War of 1812. In an email exchange noted on Rootsweb.com you stated that you had a copy of his War of 1812 pension file. I was wondering if you could perhaps email a copy to me or if you would rather use regular mail my address is: James Akin 1231 Todds Sta Lexington, KY 40509 Thank you very much for your help. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

I think it's called Murphy's Law (of Selective Gravitation)* a.. You will always find something in the last place you look. a.. If your looking for more than one thing, you'll find the most important one last. a.. It is never in the last place you look. It is in the first place you look, but never discovered on the first attempt. Dick K. *http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-laws.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Hilarious But if the request for the document is random (that is the requester doesn't know where the document is lodged and the searcher doesn't know before hand what document will be requested) and the searcher has an idea where it is, then the great search ensues with the result stated in the hilarious post. The constant was that I knew I had the document somewhere. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Kincaid <larryk34@gmail.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:05:30 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Hilarious FILO, or First In Last Out from accounting . . . on the other hand, all I can really remember is FIFO, first in first out. Clearly, the former must appy to genealogy. Don L Kincaid On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com > wrote: > Dear Kincaid listers, why is it that the document you are seeking is found > almost atthe bottom of the last box to be searched? Hilarious. I wonder if > there is a theory for that phenomenon? > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide >

Welcome to the list, Kelly.  If you need to know anything about the Pennsylvania Kincaids please don't hesitate to ask.  I have a pretty large data base of information. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: "lewisjo@junct.com" <lewisjo@junct.com> To: KINCAID@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:46:24 PM Subject: [KINCAID] New to List, PA-IN-MO Kincade/Kincaid's Thank you, Robert Bruce. Robert is my father's name. Do they call you Robert, or Bruce? Kelly To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FILO, or First In Last Out from accounting . . . on the other hand, all I can really remember is FIFO, first in first out. Clearly, the former must appy to genealogy. Don L Kincaid On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com > wrote: > Dear Kincaid listers, why is it that the document you are seeking is found > almost atthe bottom of the last box to be searched? Hilarious. I wonder if > there is a theory for that phenomenon? > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >