This biography gives the parents of George W. Kincaid and Catherine Campbell as Thomas Kincaid and (Davis) Kincaid. George/Mary Catherine's children could possibly be traced to find a DNA donor. ROANE COUNTY WEST VIRGINIA ****************************************************************** Submitted to the West Virginia Biographies Project by: Sandy Spradling SSpradling@aol.com November 28, 1999 ****************************************************************** History of Roane County, West Virginia, 1774-1927 William H. Bishop, Esq. KINCAID: Of Smithfield and Spencer. George Washington Kincaid, and his wife, Catherin (Campbell, daugh­ter of Daniel Campbell), who were married in Fayette County, Western Virginia, with their three first born children, came to Roane County in the year 1856; settled near Looneyville. George Washington Kincaid was a son of Thomas and ( Davis) Kincaid, who were mar­ried in Greenbrier County, West Virginia, both descendants of Scotch­Irish settlers of old Virginia. Fayette County History states that a James Gillispy Kincaid of Greenbrier County, 1807, is the leading name of the family, Kincaid. The sons and daughters of George W. and Catherine, his wife, were Daniel Thomas, George W., Jr., Seldon, Rufus A., Virginia, wife of Phillip Ellis; Sarah, wife of Elkanah Summerfield; Belle married Hilary Upton; Frances married a Kincaid of another family. Daniel Thomas Kincaid, son of G. W. Kincaid, Sr., and Catherine (Campbell), was born in 1848, in Fayette County; on April 23, 1873, married Miss Martha E. Brannon, daughter of Solomon Brannon, of Spencer and Smithfield Districts. To Daniel E. and Martha, his wife, were born and by them reared the following five sons and seven daugh­ters: Newman, Melissa, John S., Ott, Lexie, Seldon C., Martha May, Rosco, Ethel, Annice, Emma and Myrtle. These have married and have families and businesses. George W. Kincaid, son of George W. and Catherine, was born in Roane County; married Miss Lulu Burke, daughter of Peter Burke of Spencer District, February 14, 1877. They reared two sons and two daughters, whose names are Robert, William, Mrs. Darrel Pritchard, and Mrs. Howard Dougherty. Rufus, son of Geo. W. and Catherine Kincaid, married first Elizabeth Doughert, 1890. She died, then he married Nettie Butcher, of Henrys Fork; they have one child. John Moton Kincaid was a son of William Kincaid of Dogwood Gap, Fayette County, and was a cousin to the others above mentioned. John M. married Miss Eliza Lowe, October, 1881, and returned to Fayette County. Seldon Kincaid's career is not given us. Source: History of Roane County, West Virginia, 1774-1927 William H. Bishop, Esq. p 572-573 http://www.pa-roots.org/data/read.php?1038,408097 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > #49289 is vetted to George Kincaid and Mary Catherine Campbell of Fayette > Co. VA(WVA) and later Raleigh Co. VA(WVA). He was b 1818 d 1898 and m > 1841. > George (age 33 no birth state listed which generally means VA on this > census) and Mary (age 24) appear in the 1850 Fayette Co. census next to > Mary's father Danial Campbell and 13 households away from William/Jane > Kincaid. William is son of Samuel/Mary Tincher and Jane is daughter of > John/Elizabeth Gillespie per marriage, tax, census and court records. > John/Elizabeth is represented by several A-1a lines and is the only John > in > the area who fits as son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher per tax, census, land > and > court records. > > Mary Catherine's sister Isabella m Thomas Kincaid. They appear in the > Fayette 1850 census: Thomas (age 21), Isabella (age 17) married within the > year. Widow Mary Kincaid (age 53) and Mary C. Kincaid (age 17) are also in > the household. This Thomas states at his second marriage that his parents > were Thomas and Mary Kincaid. Thomas and Isabella bought and sold land > that > was forfeited by Thomas Kincaid, son of Samuel/Mary Tincher/Huldah > Osbourn/Diana Ewing. We do not have a DNA sample from Thomas/Isabella's > line, however, paperwork seems to indicate that #33001 (vetted to > Thomas/Polly Davis) in A-1c and #101753 (claims to Thomas/Polly Davis and > has a "lady" Polly Kincaid in his 1860 household) in A-1a. Thomas/Polly > Davis listed on his marriage record as son of a Samuel is the only Thomas > in > the area who would fit as son of Samuel of the 3 wives per tax, census, > land > and court records. Samuel of the 3 wives is the only Samuel in the area > who > would fit as son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher per tax, census, land and court > records. There is some indication (unsubstantiated) that Thomas/Isabella > died in the State Sanitarium in Raleigh Co. and is buried in the same > graveyard as George/Mary Campbell. It is possible that Thomas/Mary parents > of Thomas/Isabella is not Thomas/Polly Davis as in every other incidence > she > is referred to as Polly rather than Mary. > > There are very few Kincaids who appear on the Fayette censuses that cannot > be linked in some way to the above families, the family of Thomas/Hannah > Tincher or the family of John/Ann Graham (represented by #60141 A-1a). > There > are a few that we are uncertain of who could possibly provide a family > connection for George/Mary Campbell if we could trace down a descendent > for > testing. Then there is the remote possibility that the 9 at marker 15 is > (shudder) parallel. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:32 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > > > Then there is sample 122441 who is descended from Martin Kincaid, son of > Andrew Kinkead, brother to my John Kincaid & Elizabeth Smith. I have clear > proof that Martin is descended from John Kinkead who died in Union > township, > Erie County, PA in 1822. Who is sample 49289 vetted to? > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 9:11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > > Your mutation to 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391) appears to be a parallel so you > can discount it. This puts you at straight AAV for A-2. Within our project > it appears your most likely closest match is #49289, however, it is also > possible that you would connect to the common ancestor for 2b before you > connect to him or any other 2a participant. This connection would be long > before any removal to the colonies and several generations back. > > 2519 and 15550 appear closer to each other than to you because they share > 2 > mutations from A-2 AAV (CDYb and 413b), however, both of these mutations > show up in other sets within Group A in a pattern that suggests there were > multiple parallel mutations at these markers. We really do not have enough > results in A-2a to determine which of the mutations is significant and > which > is not. So yes, your best bet is to look to a possible relationship with > 15550 given the locations of your ancestors and seek a connection to set > 2b > in Ireland or Scotland. The more set 2b participants connecting to each > other, the better the possibility of finding a historic ancestor with the > initial mutation to 18 at marker 30 which is the defining mutation for > this > group and the better the odds that you connect within an historic time > frame > to this set. > > #49289 has me a bit stumped because he shares a mutation with 2519 but > does > not share the mutations that 2519 and 15550 share. So far he is the lone > representative of A-2 among a sea of A-1 Kincaids whom he interacts with > in > the same WVA location. He could represent a 1800 immigration from Ireland. > 2519's ancestor (born 7 years earlier than #49289's vetted ancestor) lived > and died in Limerick. He could also represent an 1800's immigrant from PA > into WVA or the 9 at marker 15 (459b) could be (shudder) parallel. And > yes, > Peter, there is the possibility that the 9 was the original and A-1's 10 > is > the mutation in which case every individual in 2a and each of the subsets > common ancestors could derive from an ancient branch without a > relationship > to any of the others within historic times. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:19 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > > > Thank you, Sue. So my sample 4164 is closer to 15550 than 5803 and 93625.. > So in a hypthetical my George Kinkead could not be the brother of John > Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle represented by 93625. James Kinkead of Rowan > Co. NC I believe to be the James Kinkead that is in Lancaster County and > Cumberland County, PA from 1759-1767. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 9:55:50 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > > Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ > only > at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a > 38 > at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 > while > 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this > last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one > generation > prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is > unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a > repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much > guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than > to > any other participant in the project. > > Sue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > > > Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead > being a weaver.. This is significant because James Kinkead of West > Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead > of > West Pennsborough. > For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as > conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and > that > sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's > line > along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I > believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of > West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of > Carlisle. > I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: > sample > 15550 or 93625. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > Cumberland County, PA > > 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female > 16-25. > USFC, 108:04. > 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male > over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 > females to 10. > 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, > 1 > male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. > > 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 > Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland > County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, Carlisle, PA > > Cumberland County, PA > 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, > 1 male over 45, > 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, p. > 024. > 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, > 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. > 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 > female under 10. USFC, p. 024. > 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. > USFC, p. 065. > > Cumberland County, PA > 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. > USFC. > 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over > 45, > 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. > 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 > males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. > > Perry County, PA > 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male 26-45, > 1 > male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. > USFC, p. 337. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing > > Norman/Sue/Don: > Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 > to > 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It would > be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to > be > the s/o John of Carlisle? > As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 > possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson > of > the merchant of Carlisle. > > William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, > Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also > show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near > Sherman > Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. > > I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings > for > possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding > that Andrew 1746 is a match. > Just Fishing??? > 5803 Brian > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Alice, for finding a source for the 1840 Greenbrier census. The 1850 Greenbrier, VA census isn't complete on ancestry.com either. The two Andrew Kincaids in the 1850 Greenbrier index, Andrew Kincaid b. about 1799 VA and Andrew Kincaid b. about 1825 VA, don't link to the correct image. I am interested in the Andrew Kincaid and Elizabeth Kincaid in the 1840 Greenbrier census. What family group does this Andrew belong with? The following article says that the Andrew b. about 1825 was the son of Thomas Kincaid/Mary Davis and his wife Ursula was the daughter of Matthew Kincaid and Elizabeth Harrow. The Elizabeth Kincaid of the 1840 Greenbrier census would then be the widow of Matthew Kincaid who died before 1830. "Andrew Kincaid and his wife Ursula, were received into fellowship of the Presbyterian Church ay Green Sulpher in 1887 (WV). They have buried 6 children; William I., Samuel, John S., Thomas L., Sarah L., and Mary M. died March 16, 1889. Their living children are Lizzie C., Jane M., B.L., and Ann E. All attended, with their father, the Sabath School held in the Hutchison School House. Lizzie is a member of the Presbyterian Church; Mary m. was of the M.E. church. Mr. Kincaid's parents, THOMAS and MARY (DAVIS) KINCAID were members, from youth until death of the M. E. Church in Fayette County, WV. His wife is a daughter of Matthew and Elizabeth (Harrow) Kincaid: Her mother was a member of the M.E. Church ( Soutgh) in Greenbrier Co., for 40 years before her death; her father had been dead for 61 years the 2nd April, 1889." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@burgoyne.com> To: <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] 1840 Greenbrier County, VA census > Barb, > > I have an index to the census on a CD. I ran a search for Kin* for WV, > Greenbrier Co. Nothing shows up. > > Then I did another search with the name left blank, and still nothing > shows up. > > Then I remembered that WV was not even a state in 1840. I tried ancestry > with Greenbrier VA and no such luck. > > I see that the CD has Kincaids in Greenbrier Co., VA.: > > Kincaid, Adam D. > Kincaid, Andrew > Kincaid, Elizabeth > Kincaid, James D. > Kincaid, John (3) > Kincaid, Lancelot, Jr. > Kincaid, Lancelot, Sr. > Kincaid, P. > Kincaid, Samuel (2) > > Let me know if you would like to look up the Location and page for any of > these. Then, if you have access to Heritage Quest, you can brouse and > find the census. > > Alice Gedge > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:34 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] 1840 Greenbrier County, VA census > > >>I am not able to access the 1840 Greenbrier County, Virginia (WV) census >>on ancestry.com's website. No names come up for that census. >> Does anyone have access to this 1840 census to find the Kincaids who >> still lived there? There is a census for 1830 and for 1850 for >> Greenbrier County. >> >> Barb Van Hout >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.18/1658 - Release Date: 9/7/2008 > 3:30 PM >

Thanks, Don. Dick K. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID'S AMBER BEER > Kincaid's in Redondo Beach, CA serves Kincaid's Amber Lager according to > Google search results. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Kinkead > Subject: [KINCAID] KINCAID'S AMBER BEER > > > Anyone ever heard of this brand: Kincaid's Amber Beer. I've found > references to Duncan Kincaids Dacker Adirondack but don't think it's the same. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Dick Kinkead 2562 A1a > Lantana, FL

I am not able to access the 1840 Greenbrier County, Virginia (WV) census on ancestry.com's website. No names come up for that census. Does anyone have access to this 1840 census to find the Kincaids who still lived there? There is a census for 1830 and for 1850 for Greenbrier County. Barb Van Hout

Sue, Mary Catherine and George Washington Kincaid are Fayette County and later ROANE County, WV not Raleigh. Just so someone doesn't do fishing in the wrong direction. And there is still the entire Mt. Tom aspects... -----Original Message----- From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Liedtke Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:15 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing #49289 is vetted to George Kincaid and Mary Catherine Campbell of Fayette Co. VA(WVA) and later Raleigh Co. VA(WVA). He was b 1818 d 1898 and m 1841. George (age 33 no birth state listed which generally means VA on this census) and Mary (age 24) appear in the 1850 Fayette Co. census next to Mary's father Danial Campbell and 13 households away from William/Jane Kincaid. William is son of Samuel/Mary Tincher and Jane is daughter of John/Elizabeth Gillespie per marriage, tax, census and court records. John/Elizabeth is represented by several A-1a lines and is the only John in the area who fits as son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher per tax, census, land and court records. Mary Catherine's sister Isabella m Thomas Kincaid. They appear in the Fayette 1850 census: Thomas (age 21), Isabella (age 17) married within the year. Widow Mary Kincaid (age 53) and Mary C. Kincaid (age 17) are also in the household. This Thomas states at his second marriage that his parents were Thomas and Mary Kincaid. Thomas and Isabella bought and sold land that was forfeited by Thomas Kincaid, son of Samuel/Mary Tincher/Huldah Osbourn/Diana Ewing. We do not have a DNA sample from Thomas/Isabella's line, however, paperwork seems to indicate that #33001 (vetted to Thomas/Polly Davis) in A-1c and #101753 (claims to Thomas/Polly Davis and has a "lady" Polly Kincaid in his 1860 household) in A-1a. Thomas/Polly Davis listed on his marriage record as son of a Samuel is the only Thomas in the area who would fit as son of Samuel of the 3 wives per tax, census, land and court records. Samuel of the 3 wives is the only Samuel in the area who would fit as son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher per tax, census, land and court records. There is some indication (unsubstantiated) that Thomas/Isabella died in the State Sanitarium in Raleigh Co. and is buried in the same graveyard as George/Mary Campbell. It is possible that Thomas/Mary parents of Thomas/Isabella is not Thomas/Polly Davis as in every other incidence she is referred to as Polly rather than Mary. There are very few Kincaids who appear on the Fayette censuses that cannot be linked in some way to the above families, the family of Thomas/Hannah Tincher or the family of John/Ann Graham (represented by #60141 A-1a). There are a few that we are uncertain of who could possibly provide a family connection for George/Mary Campbell if we could trace down a descendent for testing. Then there is the remote possibility that the 9 at marker 15 is (shudder) parallel. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Then there is sample 122441 who is descended from Martin Kincaid, son of Andrew Kinkead, brother to my John Kincaid & Elizabeth Smith. I have clear proof that Martin is descended from John Kinkead who died in Union township, Erie County, PA in 1822. Who is sample 49289 vetted to? Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 9:11:25 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Your mutation to 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391) appears to be a parallel so you can discount it. This puts you at straight AAV for A-2. Within our project it appears your most likely closest match is #49289, however, it is also possible that you would connect to the common ancestor for 2b before you connect to him or any other 2a participant. This connection would be long before any removal to the colonies and several generations back. 2519 and 15550 appear closer to each other than to you because they share 2 mutations from A-2 AAV (CDYb and 413b), however, both of these mutations show up in other sets within Group A in a pattern that suggests there were multiple parallel mutations at these markers. We really do not have enough results in A-2a to determine which of the mutations is significant and which is not. So yes, your best bet is to look to a possible relationship with 15550 given the locations of your ancestors and seek a connection to set 2b in Ireland or Scotland. The more set 2b participants connecting to each other, the better the possibility of finding a historic ancestor with the initial mutation to 18 at marker 30 which is the defining mutation for this group and the better the odds that you connect within an historic time frame to this set. #49289 has me a bit stumped because he shares a mutation with 2519 but does not share the mutations that 2519 and 15550 share. So far he is the lone representative of A-2 among a sea of A-1 Kincaids whom he interacts with in the same WVA location. He could represent a 1800 immigration from Ireland. 2519's ancestor (born 7 years earlier than #49289's vetted ancestor) lived and died in Limerick. He could also represent an 1800's immigrant from PA into WVA or the 9 at marker 15 (459b) could be (shudder) parallel. And yes, Peter, there is the possibility that the 9 was the original and A-1's 10 is the mutation in which case every individual in 2a and each of the subsets common ancestors could derive from an ancient branch without a relationship to any of the others within historic times. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Thank you, Sue. So my sample 4164 is closer to 15550 than 5803 and 93625.. So in a hypthetical my George Kinkead could not be the brother of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle represented by 93625. James Kinkead of Rowan Co. NC I believe to be the James Kinkead that is in Lancaster County and Cumberland County, PA from 1759-1767. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 9:55:50 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ only at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a 38 at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 while 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one generation prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than to any other participant in the project. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead being a weaver.. This is significant because James Kinkead of West Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead of West Pennsborough. For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and that sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's line along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle. I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: sample 15550 or 93625. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Cumberland County, PA 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC, 108:04. 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 females to 10. 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA Cumberland County, PA 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, p. 024. 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 female under 10. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. USFC, p. 065. Cumberland County, PA 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. USFC. 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over 45, 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. Perry County, PA 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. USFC, p. 337. ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman/Sue/Don: Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 to 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It would be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to be the s/o John of Carlisle? As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson of the merchant of Carlisle. William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near Sherman Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings for possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding that Andrew 1746 is a match. Just Fishing??? 5803 Brian To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anyone ever heard of this brand: Kincaid's Amber Beer. I've found references to Duncan Kincaids Dacker Adirondack but don't think it's the same. Thanks in advance for any help. Dick Kinkead 2562 A1a Lantana, FL

Kincaid's in Redondo Beach, CA serves Kincaid's Amber Lager according to Google search results. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Kinkead To: Genealogy, KINCAID Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: [KINCAID] KINCAID'S AMBER BEER Anyone ever heard of this brand: Kincaid's Amber Beer. I've found references to Duncan Kincaids Dacker Adirondack but don't think it's the same. Thanks in advance for any help. Dick Kinkead 2562 A1a Lantana, FL To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

#49289 is vetted to George Kincaid and Mary Catherine Campbell of Fayette Co. VA(WVA) and later Raleigh Co. VA(WVA). He was b 1818 d 1898 and m 1841. George (age 33 no birth state listed which generally means VA on this census) and Mary (age 24) appear in the 1850 Fayette Co. census next to Mary's father Danial Campbell and 13 households away from William/Jane Kincaid. William is son of Samuel/Mary Tincher and Jane is daughter of John/Elizabeth Gillespie per marriage, tax, census and court records. John/Elizabeth is represented by several A-1a lines and is the only John in the area who fits as son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher per tax, census, land and court records. Mary Catherine's sister Isabella m Thomas Kincaid. They appear in the Fayette 1850 census: Thomas (age 21), Isabella (age 17) married within the year. Widow Mary Kincaid (age 53) and Mary C. Kincaid (age 17) are also in the household. This Thomas states at his second marriage that his parents were Thomas and Mary Kincaid. Thomas and Isabella bought and sold land that was forfeited by Thomas Kincaid, son of Samuel/Mary Tincher/Huldah Osbourn/Diana Ewing. We do not have a DNA sample from Thomas/Isabella's line, however, paperwork seems to indicate that #33001 (vetted to Thomas/Polly Davis) in A-1c and #101753 (claims to Thomas/Polly Davis and has a "lady" Polly Kincaid in his 1860 household) in A-1a. Thomas/Polly Davis listed on his marriage record as son of a Samuel is the only Thomas in the area who would fit as son of Samuel of the 3 wives per tax, census, land and court records. Samuel of the 3 wives is the only Samuel in the area who would fit as son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher per tax, census, land and court records. There is some indication (unsubstantiated) that Thomas/Isabella died in the State Sanitarium in Raleigh Co. and is buried in the same graveyard as George/Mary Campbell. It is possible that Thomas/Mary parents of Thomas/Isabella is not Thomas/Polly Davis as in every other incidence she is referred to as Polly rather than Mary. There are very few Kincaids who appear on the Fayette censuses that cannot be linked in some way to the above families, the family of Thomas/Hannah Tincher or the family of John/Ann Graham (represented by #60141 A-1a). There are a few that we are uncertain of who could possibly provide a family connection for George/Mary Campbell if we could trace down a descendent for testing. Then there is the remote possibility that the 9 at marker 15 is (shudder) parallel. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Then there is sample 122441 who is descended from Martin Kincaid, son of Andrew Kinkead, brother to my John Kincaid & Elizabeth Smith. I have clear proof that Martin is descended from John Kinkead who died in Union township, Erie County, PA in 1822. Who is sample 49289 vetted to? Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 9:11:25 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Your mutation to 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391) appears to be a parallel so you can discount it. This puts you at straight AAV for A-2. Within our project it appears your most likely closest match is #49289, however, it is also possible that you would connect to the common ancestor for 2b before you connect to him or any other 2a participant. This connection would be long before any removal to the colonies and several generations back. 2519 and 15550 appear closer to each other than to you because they share 2 mutations from A-2 AAV (CDYb and 413b), however, both of these mutations show up in other sets within Group A in a pattern that suggests there were multiple parallel mutations at these markers. We really do not have enough results in A-2a to determine which of the mutations is significant and which is not. So yes, your best bet is to look to a possible relationship with 15550 given the locations of your ancestors and seek a connection to set 2b in Ireland or Scotland. The more set 2b participants connecting to each other, the better the possibility of finding a historic ancestor with the initial mutation to 18 at marker 30 which is the defining mutation for this group and the better the odds that you connect within an historic time frame to this set. #49289 has me a bit stumped because he shares a mutation with 2519 but does not share the mutations that 2519 and 15550 share. So far he is the lone representative of A-2 among a sea of A-1 Kincaids whom he interacts with in the same WVA location. He could represent a 1800 immigration from Ireland. 2519's ancestor (born 7 years earlier than #49289's vetted ancestor) lived and died in Limerick. He could also represent an 1800's immigrant from PA into WVA or the 9 at marker 15 (459b) could be (shudder) parallel. And yes, Peter, there is the possibility that the 9 was the original and A-1's 10 is the mutation in which case every individual in 2a and each of the subsets common ancestors could derive from an ancient branch without a relationship to any of the others within historic times. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Thank you, Sue. So my sample 4164 is closer to 15550 than 5803 and 93625.. So in a hypthetical my George Kinkead could not be the brother of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle represented by 93625. James Kinkead of Rowan Co. NC I believe to be the James Kinkead that is in Lancaster County and Cumberland County, PA from 1759-1767. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 9:55:50 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ only at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a 38 at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 while 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one generation prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than to any other participant in the project. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead being a weaver.. This is significant because James Kinkead of West Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead of West Pennsborough. For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and that sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's line along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle. I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: sample 15550 or 93625. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Cumberland County, PA 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC, 108:04. 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 females to 10. 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA Cumberland County, PA 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, p. 024. 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 female under 10. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. USFC, p. 065. Cumberland County, PA 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. USFC. 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over 45, 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. Perry County, PA 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. USFC, p. 337. ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman/Sue/Don: Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 to 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It would be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to be the s/o John of Carlisle? As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson of the merchant of Carlisle. William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near Sherman Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings for possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding that Andrew 1746 is a match. Just Fishing??? 5803 Brian To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Keith! I would dearly love to see a list like this 100 years before! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:12 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Irish Property Survey of 1848 - 1864 If the survey had been taken a decade earlier there would have been close to double that number of Kincaids in Donegal. Large batch of my kinfolk emigrated to Canada from Donegal in the late 1830s early 1840s. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: "Kincaid Rootsweb List" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:20 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Irish Property Survey of 1848 - 1864 The Irish Property Survey shows there were 7 Kincades, 80 Kincaids, 3 Kincaides and 14 Kinkeads for the 1848 - 1864 survey. About 2/3's of the 80 Kincaid's were in County Donegal - 22, County Tyrone - 20 and County Down 11. The 14 Kinkeads were nearly all in County Limerick - 7 and County Antrim - 5 with 1 each in Leitrim and Antrim. This website is www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/surname/index for those who want to explore this further. Don To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone on the Kincaid List have access to the book: The First Lutheran Church, Greensburg, Westmoreland, Penna. 1799-1920 by Fischer 1965. Keith Kinkade (whose DNA kit was received 9/6 by the lab) sent me his research papers on our James Woodburn Kinkade/Kinkaid line 15550. Bobbi Dodge, researcher and descendant of James Woodburn K's second marriage to Lydia Dick, referenced subject book in 1976 as another documented source for the middle name of Woodburn. (James Woodburn K is listed as just "Woodburn Kincaid" in the Kuhns Genealogy by John R. Black, p. 7. These research notes show "James Woodburn Kinkade". If someone on the list has access, I would appreciate having them look at pages 20, #453 and page 21 of another section for Kinkade entries. Thanks. Margie

KINCADE, C H FLOYD, Jocie Dec 22 1917 10 549 G KINCADE, Cordelia WALTERHOUSE, Asa Oct 11 1882 4 19 B KINCADE, Ethel MASK, William Dec 5 1918 11 43 B KINCADE, G W JETER, Martha May 23 1867 3 18 G KINCADE, Ora SWEATMAN, W B May 10 1919 11 87 B KINCAID, L PAYNE, Jefferson Longstreet Feb 3 1886 4 332 B **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

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Then there is sample 122441 who is descended from Martin Kincaid, son of Andrew Kinkead, brother to my John Kincaid & Elizabeth Smith.  I have clear proof that Martin is descended from John Kinkead who died in Union township, Erie County, PA in 1822.  Who is sample 49289 vetted to? Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 9:11:25 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Your mutation to 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391) appears to be a parallel so you can discount it. This puts you at straight AAV for A-2. Within our project it appears your most likely closest match is #49289, however, it is also possible that you would connect to the common ancestor for 2b before you connect to him or any other 2a participant. This connection would be long before any removal to the colonies and several generations back. 2519 and 15550 appear closer to each other than to you because they share 2 mutations from A-2 AAV (CDYb and 413b), however, both of these mutations show up in other sets within Group A in a pattern that suggests there were multiple parallel mutations at these markers. We really do not have enough results in A-2a to determine which of the mutations is significant and which is not. So yes, your best bet is to look to a possible relationship with 15550 given the locations of your ancestors and seek a connection to set 2b in Ireland or Scotland. The more set 2b participants connecting to each other, the better the possibility of finding a historic ancestor with the initial mutation to 18 at marker 30 which is the defining mutation for this group and the better the odds that you connect within an historic time frame to this set. #49289 has me a bit stumped because he shares a mutation with 2519 but does not share the mutations that 2519 and 15550 share. So far he is the lone representative of A-2 among a sea of A-1 Kincaids whom he interacts with in the same WVA location. He could represent a 1800 immigration from Ireland. 2519's ancestor (born 7 years earlier than #49289's vetted ancestor) lived and died in Limerick. He could also represent an 1800's immigrant from PA into WVA or the 9 at marker 15 (459b) could be (shudder) parallel. And yes, Peter, there is the possibility that the 9 was the original and A-1's 10 is the mutation in which case every individual in 2a and each of the subsets common ancestors could derive from an ancient branch without a relationship to any of the others within historic times. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Thank you, Sue. So my sample 4164 is closer to 15550 than 5803 and 93625.. So in a hypthetical my George Kinkead could not be the brother of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle represented by 93625. James Kinkead of Rowan Co. NC I believe to be the James Kinkead that is in Lancaster County and Cumberland County, PA from 1759-1767. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 9:55:50 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ only at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a 38 at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 while 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one generation prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than to any other participant in the project. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead being a weaver.. This is significant because James Kinkead of West Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead of West Pennsborough. For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and that sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's line along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle. I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: sample 15550 or 93625. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Cumberland County, PA 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC, 108:04. 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 females to 10. 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA Cumberland County, PA 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, p. 024. 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 female under 10. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. USFC, p. 065. Cumberland County, PA 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. USFC. 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over 45, 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. Perry County, PA 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. USFC, p. 337. ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman/Sue/Don: Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 to 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It would be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to be the s/o John of Carlisle? As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson of the merchant of Carlisle. William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near Sherman Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings for possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding that Andrew 1746 is a match. Just Fishing??? 5803 Brian To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Returns are starting to appear for #1206's upgrade from 25 to 67 markers. The marker 26-37 results match the Apparent Ancestral Values for Group C-2. The 48-60 marker results match the AAV except at marker 55 (DYS 534) where he has a 16 instead of the AAV 15. The results for the 38-47 panel and the 61-67 panel are not in yet. #1206 claims to Isaiah of Jackson Co. OH b 1812 (probably VA) m 1833 Rachel Gilliland. There appears to be some indication that he may descend from a brother of #49351's vetted ancestor Samuel/Margaret Clark who has not upgraded from 37 to 67 markers. It would be interesting to find out if the mutation at marker 55 occurs in this line also. Sue Liedtke

Your mutation to 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391) appears to be a parallel so you can discount it. This puts you at straight AAV for A-2. Within our project it appears your most likely closest match is #49289, however, it is also possible that you would connect to the common ancestor for 2b before you connect to him or any other 2a participant. This connection would be long before any removal to the colonies and several generations back. 2519 and 15550 appear closer to each other than to you because they share 2 mutations from A-2 AAV (CDYb and 413b), however, both of these mutations show up in other sets within Group A in a pattern that suggests there were multiple parallel mutations at these markers. We really do not have enough results in A-2a to determine which of the mutations is significant and which is not. So yes, your best bet is to look to a possible relationship with 15550 given the locations of your ancestors and seek a connection to set 2b in Ireland or Scotland. The more set 2b participants connecting to each other, the better the possibility of finding a historic ancestor with the initial mutation to 18 at marker 30 which is the defining mutation for this group and the better the odds that you connect within an historic time frame to this set. #49289 has me a bit stumped because he shares a mutation with 2519 but does not share the mutations that 2519 and 15550 share. So far he is the lone representative of A-2 among a sea of A-1 Kincaids whom he interacts with in the same WVA location. He could represent a 1800 immigration from Ireland. 2519's ancestor (born 7 years earlier than #49289's vetted ancestor) lived and died in Limerick. He could also represent an 1800's immigrant from PA into WVA or the 9 at marker 15 (459b) could be (shudder) parallel. And yes, Peter, there is the possibility that the 9 was the original and A-1's 10 is the mutation in which case every individual in 2a and each of the subsets common ancestors could derive from an ancient branch without a relationship to any of the others within historic times. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Thank you, Sue. So my sample 4164 is closer to 15550 than 5803 and 93625.. So in a hypthetical my George Kinkead could not be the brother of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle represented by 93625. James Kinkead of Rowan Co. NC I believe to be the James Kinkead that is in Lancaster County and Cumberland County, PA from 1759-1767. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 9:55:50 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ only at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a 38 at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 while 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one generation prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than to any other participant in the project. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead being a weaver. This is significant because James Kinkead of West Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead of West Pennsborough. For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and that sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's line along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle. I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: sample 15550 or 93625. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Cumberland County, PA 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC, 108:04. 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 females to 10. 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA Cumberland County, PA 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, p. 024. 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 female under 10. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. USFC, p. 065. Cumberland County, PA 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. USFC. 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over 45, 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. Perry County, PA 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. USFC, p. 337. ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman/Sue/Don: Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 to 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It would be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to be the s/o John of Carlisle? As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson of the merchant of Carlisle. William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near Sherman Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings for possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding that Andrew 1746 is a match. Just Fishing??? 5803 Brian To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message

Don, the way to find out if a second mutation back to the AAV for Group A has occured is to go the expensive route of checking a male decendent from another son for each generation to determined when the mutation may have occured. To short circuit this a little bit another line from William Moore should be found to determine if William Moore had the mutation or not. #80852 has not been vetted so there is the possibility that a connection to William Moore and Joseph is being made in error. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > Confirming Sue's message, FTDNA shows Brian # 5803 has an 87.4% > probability of a common ancestor with Bill, #93625, a 72.29% with Charles > David Kincaid #80852, 65.86% with Chas-Tamara #3350 and 65.86% with > Treasa's Kin # 4323. I was surprised to see the closeness with 80852 since > he is in Group A , set 1a but in looking at Sue's chart we see they both > have the same results of 38 and 40 at markers 34 & 35. > > Even more interesting to me personally is that 80852 believes descent from > William Moore Kincaid, son of John Kincaid, Jr, grandson of Captain John > Kincaid, great grandson of Joseph Kinkead who died 1774 in Albemarle > Co.,VA and my most distant ancestor and yet 80852 does not have the result > of 12 on marker 26 like the others of us in A 1b who descend from Joseph. > To further confuse matters 83449 believes descent from John Kincaid, Jr > like 80852. If both their lineage information is correct which it appears > to be, what happened dna wise??? Based on the fact that all the other > descendants of Joseph Kinkead show the 12 on marker 26 and 80852 does not, > did 80852's dna mutate back to the AAV norm of an 11 results on marker 26 > downstream from John Jr.? > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Liedtke > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:55 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > > > Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ > only > at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a > 38 > at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 > while > 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this > last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one > generation > prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is > unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a > repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much > guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than > to > any other participant in the project. > > Sue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > > > Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead > being a weaver. This is significant because James Kinkead of West > Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland > County, > PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead > of > West Pennsborough. > For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as > conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and > that > sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's > line > along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I > believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of > West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of > Carlisle. > I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: > sample > 15550 or 93625. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > Cumberland County, PA > > 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female > 16-25. > USFC, 108:04. > 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male > over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 > females to 10. > 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, > 1 > male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. > > 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in > 1807 > Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical > Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland > County, > PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland > County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, Carlisle, PA > > Cumberland County, PA > 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, > 1 male over 45, > 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, > p. > 024. > 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, > 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. > 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 > female under 10. USFC, p. 024. > 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. > USFC, p. 065. > > Cumberland County, PA > 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. > USFC. > 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over > 45, > 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. > 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 > males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. > > Perry County, PA > 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male > 26-45, 1 > male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. > USFC, p. 337. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing > > Norman/Sue/Don: > Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 > to > 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It > would > be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to > be > the s/o John of Carlisle? > As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 > possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson > of > the merchant of Carlisle. > > William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, > Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also > show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near > Sherman > Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. > > I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings > for > possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding > that Andrew 1746 is a match. > Just Fishing??? > 5803 Brian > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

MY FISHING MAY CATCH SOMETHING Brian 5803 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > Confirming Sue's message, FTDNA shows Brian # 5803 has an 87.4% > probability of a common ancestor with Bill, #93625, a 72.29% with Charles > David Kincaid #80852, 65.86% with Chas-Tamara #3350 and 65.86% with > Treasa's Kin # 4323. I was surprised to see the closeness with 80852 since > he is in Group A , set 1a but in looking at Sue's chart we see they both > have the same results of 38 and 40 at markers 34 & 35. > > Even more interesting to me personally is that 80852 believes descent from > William Moore Kincaid, son of John Kincaid, Jr, grandson of Captain John > Kincaid, great grandson of Joseph Kinkead who died 1774 in Albemarle > Co.,VA and my most distant ancestor and yet 80852 does not have the result > of 12 on marker 26 like the others of us in A 1b who descend from Joseph. > To further confuse matters 83449 believes descent from John Kincaid, Jr > like 80852. If both their lineage information is correct which it appears > to be, what happened dna wise??? Based on the fact that all the other > descendants of Joseph Kinkead show the 12 on marker 26 and 80852 does not, > did 80852's dna mutate back to the AAV norm of an 11 results on marker 26 > downstream from John Jr.? > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Liedtke > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:55 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > > > Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ > only > at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a > 38 > at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 > while > 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this > last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one > generation > prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is > unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a > repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much > guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than > to > any other participant in the project. > > Sue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > > > Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead > being a weaver. This is significant because James Kinkead of West > Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland > County, > PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead > of > West Pennsborough. > For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as > conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and > that > sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's > line > along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I > believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of > West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of > Carlisle. > I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: > sample > 15550 or 93625. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > Cumberland County, PA > > 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female > 16-25. > USFC, 108:04. > 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male > over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 > females to 10. > 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, > 1 > male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. > > 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in > 1807 > Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical > Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland > County, > PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland > County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, Carlisle, PA > > Cumberland County, PA > 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, > 1 male over 45, > 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, > p. > 024. > 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, > 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. > 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 > female under 10. USFC, p. 024. > 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. > USFC, p. 065. > > Cumberland County, PA > 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. > USFC. > 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over > 45, > 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. > 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 > males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. > > Perry County, PA > 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male > 26-45, 1 > male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. > USFC, p. 337. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing > > Norman/Sue/Don: > Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 > to > 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It > would > be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to > be > the s/o John of Carlisle? > As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 > possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson > of > the merchant of Carlisle. > > William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, > Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also > show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near > Sherman > Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. > > I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings > for > possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding > that Andrew 1746 is a match. > Just Fishing??? > 5803 Brian > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Confirming Sue's message, FTDNA shows Brian # 5803 has an 87.4% probability of a common ancestor with Bill, #93625, a 72.29% with Charles David Kincaid #80852, 65.86% with Chas-Tamara #3350 and 65.86% with Treasa's Kin # 4323. I was surprised to see the closeness with 80852 since he is in Group A , set 1a but in looking at Sue's chart we see they both have the same results of 38 and 40 at markers 34 & 35. Even more interesting to me personally is that 80852 believes descent from William Moore Kincaid, son of John Kincaid, Jr, grandson of Captain John Kincaid, great grandson of Joseph Kinkead who died 1774 in Albemarle Co.,VA and my most distant ancestor and yet 80852 does not have the result of 12 on marker 26 like the others of us in A 1b who descend from Joseph. To further confuse matters 83449 believes descent from John Kincaid, Jr like 80852. If both their lineage information is correct which it appears to be, what happened dna wise??? Based on the fact that all the other descendants of Joseph Kinkead show the 12 on marker 26 and 80852 does not, did 80852's dna mutate back to the AAV norm of an 11 results on marker 26 downstream from John Jr.? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Liedtke To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ only at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a 38 at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 while 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one generation prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than to any other participant in the project. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead being a weaver. This is significant because James Kinkead of West Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead of West Pennsborough. For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and that sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's line along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle. I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: sample 15550 or 93625. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Cumberland County, PA 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC, 108:04. 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 females to 10. 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA Cumberland County, PA 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, p. 024. 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 female under 10. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. USFC, p. 065. Cumberland County, PA 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. USFC. 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over 45, 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. Perry County, PA 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. USFC, p. 337. ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman/Sue/Don: Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 to 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It would be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to be the s/o John of Carlisle? As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson of the merchant of Carlisle. William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near Sherman Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings for possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding that Andrew 1746 is a match. Just Fishing??? 5803 Brian To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Sue.  So my sample 4164 is closer to 15550 than 5803 and 93625..  So in a hypthetical my George Kinkead could not be the brother of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle represented by 93625.  James Kinkead of Rowan Co. NC I believe to be the James Kinkead that is in Lancaster County and Cumberland County, PA from 1759-1767.  Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 9:55:50 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ only at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a 38 at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 while 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one generation prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than to any other participant in the project. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead being a weaver. This is significant because James Kinkead of West Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead of West Pennsborough. For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and that sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's line along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle. I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: sample 15550 or 93625. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Cumberland County, PA 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC, 108:04. 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 females to 10. 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA Cumberland County, PA 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, p. 024. 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 female under 10. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. USFC, p. 065. Cumberland County, PA 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. USFC. 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over 45, 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. Perry County, PA 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. USFC, p. 337. ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman/Sue/Don: Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 to 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It would be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to be the s/o John of Carlisle? As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson of the merchant of Carlisle. William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near Sherman Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings for possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding that Andrew 1746 is a match. Just Fishing??? 5803 Brian To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ only at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a 38 at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 while 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one generation prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than to any other participant in the project. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead being a weaver. This is significant because James Kinkead of West Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead of West Pennsborough. For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and that sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's line along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle. I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: sample 15550 or 93625. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Cumberland County, PA 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC, 108:04. 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 females to 10. 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA Cumberland County, PA 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, p. 024. 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 female under 10. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. USFC, p. 065. Cumberland County, PA 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. USFC. 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over 45, 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. Perry County, PA 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. USFC, p. 337. ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman/Sue/Don: Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 to 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It would be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to be the s/o John of Carlisle? As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson of the merchant of Carlisle. William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near Sherman Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings for possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding that Andrew 1746 is a match. Just Fishing??? 5803 Brian To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message