Well, you can class me as in the older camp. I do believe, however, that my bluntness does not stem from my Scottish heritage. I would not want to blame the Scots in me. I think you will find my early messages quite tactful, welcoming, etc. I would say that I got hardened over the years. You can be as nice as you can but if you are the one to uncover something another person does not want to hear, etc. you get grief. Over time you just tend to forget about niceties and just shoot straight and firm. However, I do hope David does not take this personally. As Ruth alluded to, I remember my early days where I was quite thrilled to see the Kincaid-McDowell lineage out there going back to Robert the Bruce. Now this bogus lineage is nothing but a pain. I wanted to respond to this post with more of a suggestion. Some of these sensitive topics come around again over a period of time. I think that it would be useful to have some of them addressed in a message send to all new subscribers (ie. a Kincaid-L FAQ). Food for thought! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Utahn1@aol.com To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Reactions to Postings on the List David and others, Below is the Welcome letter which new members to the list receive. Please note paragraph three and please do NOT take any criticism written by list members personally. Sometimes the older researchers forget what it is like to be a new person to genealogy who gets excited and happy to find what they believe is their genealogical line. Our older researchers who have been around the block many times sometimes lack tact in their reactions and are less than gentle in their response. We welcome your input to the list and hope you will take Don's letter of encouragement to heart. Above all, please do not get discouraged. Ruth Cherecwich Welcome to the Kincaid of all spellings mail list. We have found there are countless variations of the name due to people adopting as their permanent name the phonetic or dialect spelling they were used to using/hearing - Kinkade, Kincade, Kincaide, Kingcade etc. You are encouraged to post your ancestral line as you know it to the List. We have well over 200 list members, and chances are reasonable that someone might know something about your line. Please post your ancestor's name along with the spouse, place(s) lived, and known or approximate dates which will help others on the list to identify the line. If you could, a timeline of ancestors working backwards from whatever date you feel comfortable, would work the best. List members are always eager to help with any Kincaid line, but our Scottish tendency is to sometimes be overly blunt and untactful in response to a post. Please do not take these comments personally as no offense will be meant by the person doing the posting. It's just that sometimes we react emotionally and don't proof read, or stop to think about, what we write. Occasionally, a line we believe is correct is actually one which was fabricated decades ago and has been disproved by the list members. This is due to documentation being more readily available to us via the internet and our List Members going on site specific research trips. You are also encouraged to check the List Archives for past dialogues which might have a bearing on your line. Go to http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?path=KINCAID . At this page you can type in whatever search item you wish. By searching in the Body of the messages, you may get your search term revealed in postings in which the poster did not have the appropriate subject heading. Be creative in your searches with full names, just the man or just the wife, husband/wife, etc. Another item to consider is that there are many on the list who have found DNA to be a valuable research tool used in conjunction with other documentation. You are encouraged to learn more about this new method of research which helps us continue to learn about our ancestral lines. Lastly, our goal in the pursuit of our ancestors is to have fun while learning. Enjoy the list, contribute to it, meet new extended family members, and make new friends. Ruth Cherecwich, List Administrator **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ancestry.com's index indicates that someone added the Kinkade name, with that spelling, to show Retta Bell Maring's maiden name. 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa>Caldwell Township Dated Aug. 23, 1870 Unionville, Iowa post office Dwelling 187 Hannah Maring a. 47 b. Ohio Francis N. Maring a. 22 b. Ohio Maria L Maring a. 23 b. Ohio Seaberryford Maring a. 19 b. Ohio Retta Bell Maring a. 16 b. Ohio (census indicates that Seaberryford and Retta married in October of the previous year) Nancy E. Maring a. 17 b. Ohio Allen Eliza Maring a. 14 F b. Iowa John M Maring a. 11 b. Iowa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census > 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa>Caldwell Township Federal Census > Post Office: Unionville, Iowa > Dated Aug. 20, 1870 > DW 112 > Joseph Kincade a .44 Farmer b. Penn > Sarah J " 44 b. Ohio > Francis J " a. 12 F b. Ohio > Florence L " a. 12 F b. Ohio > (above indicated as twins) > Margaret " a. 10 b. Ohio > Rebecca C " a. 8 b. Ohio > Charles W " a. 8 b. Ohio > (above indicated as twins) > McLydia Kincade a. 6 b. Indiana > > The Joseph/Sarah Kincaid family was living in Dwelling 112 with: > > William Johnson a. 34 b. Penn > Louisa Johnson a. 26 b. Ohio > Alice " a. 10 b. Iowa > Warren " a. 8 b. Iowa > Emma " a. 6 b. Iowa > Lunetta " a. 3 b. Iowa > Edward " a. 11/12 b. Iowa > Mary Lenark a. 17 b. Indiana > Francis Lenark a. 19 M b. Indiana > > Also, on the same page as Joseph/Sarah Kincade: > 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa>Caldwell Township Federal Census > Dated Aug 20, 1870 > Post Office: Unionville, Iowa > DW 117 > Jacob Clinkenbeard a. 55 b. KY > Mary A. " a. 54 b. North Carolina > Alonzo " a. 21 b. Iowa > Sarah " a. 19 b. Iowa > Louisa a. 16 b. Iowa > Alice Bell Clinkenbeard a.14 b. Iowa > Joseph Marhsall a. 19 Farm Labor a. Ohio > Leander Kincade a. 22 M b. Ohio > Amelia Kincade a. 23 b. Iowa > Mary J Kincade a. 1 b. Iowa > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Hart" <mfhart@grm.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:34 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census > > >> Could someone please check the 1870 census of Appanoose County, Iowa for >> Joseph Kinkade and/or other Kinkades (any spelling). I thought I could >> find >> the census on the Internet but no luck so far. >> >> Thanks for the help, >> Mary Hart >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1870 Appanoose County, Iowa>Caldwell Township Federal Census Post Office: Unionville, Iowa Dated Aug. 20, 1870 DW 112 Joseph Kincade a .44 Farmer b. Penn Sarah J " 44 b. Ohio Francis J " a. 12 F b. Ohio Florence L " a. 12 F b. Ohio (above indicated as twins) Margaret " a. 10 b. Ohio Rebecca C " a. 8 b. Ohio Charles W " a. 8 b. Ohio (above indicated as twins) McLydia Kincade a. 6 b. Indiana The Joseph/Sarah Kincaid family was living in Dwelling 112 with: William Johnson a. 34 b. Penn Louisa Johnson a. 26 b. Ohio Alice " a. 10 b. Iowa Warren " a. 8 b. Iowa Emma " a. 6 b. Iowa Lunetta " a. 3 b. Iowa Edward " a. 11/12 b. Iowa Mary Lenark a. 17 b. Indiana Francis Lenark a. 19 M b. Indiana Also, on the same page as Joseph/Sarah Kincade: 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa>Caldwell Township Federal Census Dated Aug 20, 1870 Post Office: Unionville, Iowa DW 117 Jacob Clinkenbeard a. 55 b. KY Mary A. " a. 54 b. North Carolina Alonzo " a. 21 b. Iowa Sarah " a. 19 b. Iowa Louisa a. 16 b. Iowa Alice Bell Clinkenbeard a.14 b. Iowa Joseph Marhsall a. 19 Farm Labor a. Ohio Leander Kincade a. 22 M b. Ohio Amelia Kincade a. 23 b. Iowa Mary J Kincade a. 1 b. Iowa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hart" <mfhart@grm.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census > Could someone please check the 1870 census of Appanoose County, Iowa for > Joseph Kinkade and/or other Kinkades (any spelling). I thought I could > find > the census on the Internet but no luck so far. > > Thanks for the help, > Mary Hart > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, I found it. Caldwell Township, Appanoose, Iowa, Pg. 17 (369) Kincade, Joseph, 44, m,w, Farmer (word I cannot read), Pers. Estate $400, b. Penn, 1 male citizen over 21 Sarah J., 44, f, w, keeps house, b. Ohio Francis J., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio Florence L., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio Margaret, 10, f, w, at home, b. Ohio Rebecca C, 8, f, w, at home, b. Ohio Charles W., 8 m, w, at home, b. Ohio McLydia, 6, f, w, born Indiana All the children attended school, and there is a mark saying Margaret cannot write. Because there was no indication that Joseph had personal property, I went back a page. The landowner appears to be: Johnson, William, 34, m, w, farmer, R.E.$1400, Personal Estate $916, b. Penn., 1 male citizen over 21 Louisa, 26, f, w, keeps house, Ohio Alice, 10, f, w, at home, b. Iowa Warren, 8, m, w, at home, b. Iowa Emma, 6, f, w, at home, b. Iowa Lunetta, 3, f, w, b. Iowa Edward, 11/12, b. Iowa in May Lenark, Mary, 17, f, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $480, b. Indiana Lenark, Francis, 19, m, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $275, b. Indiana Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 9/19/2008 10:35:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mfhart@grm.net writes: Could someone please check the 1870 census of Appanoose County, Iowa for Joseph Kinkade and/or other Kinkades (any spelling). I thought I could find the census on the Internet but no luck so far. Thanks for the help, Mary Hart To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

I hate to dampen your zeal, but I'd like to see anyone with Colonial American roots whose documentation can trace back to Scotland to the 1400s. Just because someone put together an undocumented line (ie. Dr. H.C. Kincaid) does not make it true. There is no record found that links Samuel of Greenbrier to a line in Scotland; for that matter none of the so called sons of Alexander. The DNA evidence suggests that Samuel's line is based on a 17th century Separate Paternal Lineage than the original Kincaid line. I hate to be blunt but the continued spreading of this made up pedigree just detracts from legitimate genealogical research. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Info on Samuel Kincaid of 1700 and Robert De Kyncadeof1441 I have done a rather simple family tree with Ancestory.com and have traced back to the year 1441 with Robert De Kyncade as the final entry or starting point. I also see where Samuel Kincaid was the first to come to the United States. Samuel was born 1700 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Can you find more info on Samuel, immigration papers, landing point in the US? etc. Shows he died in 1794 in Greenbrier, West Virginia. Also any more information on Robert De Kyncade greatly appreciated. The Kincaids on my side settled in Owsley county(Lee County) Kentucky. David Kincaid, Lexington, Kentucky

Mary, I found a Joseph Kinkade in Keokuk, Wapello, IA who was born in 1868. Is this him? Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 9/19/2008 10:35:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mfhart@grm.net writes: Could someone please check the 1870 census of Appanoose County, Iowa for Joseph Kinkade and/or other Kinkades (any spelling). I thought I could find the census on the Internet but no luck so far. Thanks for the help, Mary Hart To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

David and others, Below is the Welcome letter which new members to the list receive. Please note paragraph three and please do NOT take any criticism written by list members personally. Sometimes the older researchers forget what it is like to be a new person to genealogy who gets excited and happy to find what they believe is their genealogical line. Our older researchers who have been around the block many times sometimes lack tact in their reactions and are less than gentle in their response. We welcome your input to the list and hope you will take Don's letter of encouragement to heart. Above all, please do not get discouraged. Ruth Cherecwich Welcome to the Kincaid of all spellings mail list. We have found there are countless variations of the name due to people adopting as their permanent name the phonetic or dialect spelling they were used to using/hearing - Kinkade, Kincade, Kincaide, Kingcade etc. You are encouraged to post your ancestral line as you know it to the List. We have well over 200 list members, and chances are reasonable that someone might know something about your line. Please post your ancestor's name along with the spouse, place(s) lived, and known or approximate dates which will help others on the list to identify the line. If you could, a timeline of ancestors working backwards from whatever date you feel comfortable, would work the best. List members are always eager to help with any Kincaid line, but our Scottish tendency is to sometimes be overly blunt and untactful in response to a post. Please do not take these comments personally as no offense will be meant by the person doing the posting. It's just that sometimes we react emotionally and don't proof read, or stop to think about, what we write. Occasionally, a line we believe is correct is actually one which was fabricated decades ago and has been disproved by the list members. This is due to documentation being more readily available to us via the internet and our List Members going on site specific research trips. You are also encouraged to check the List Archives for past dialogues which might have a bearing on your line. Go to http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?path=KINCAID . At this page you can type in whatever search item you wish. By searching in the Body of the messages, you may get your search term revealed in postings in which the poster did not have the appropriate subject heading. Be creative in your searches with full names, just the man or just the wife, husband/wife, etc. Another item to consider is that there are many on the list who have found DNA to be a valuable research tool used in conjunction with other documentation. You are encouraged to learn more about this new method of research which helps us continue to learn about our ancestral lines. Lastly, our goal in the pursuit of our ancestors is to have fun while learning. Enjoy the list, contribute to it, meet new extended family members, and make new friends. Ruth Cherecwich, List Administrator **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

David, How far back can you trace your family in Owsley or Lee County, KY? I can look at the censuses for you from 1930 and earlier. Barb Van Hout ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kincaid" <topgun4900@msn.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Info on Samuel Kincaid of 1700 and Robert De Kyncadeof1441 >I have done a rather simple family tree with Ancestory.com and have traced >back to the year 1441 with Robert De Kyncade as the final entry or starting >point. I also see where Samuel Kincaid was the first to come to the United >States. Samuel was born 1700 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Can you >find more info on Samuel, immigration papers, landing point in the US? etc. >Shows he died in 1794 in Greenbrier, West Virginia. Also any more >information on Robert De Kyncade greatly appreciated. The Kincaids on my >side settled in Owsley county(Lee County) Kentucky. David Kincaid, >Lexington, Kentucky > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1850 Wapello County, Iowa, District 13 Census: HH 40 William B. Kincaid, a. 35 b. Ohio Susannah Kincaid, a. 31 b. Indiana Sarah Kincaid a. 12 b. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > Barbara, thank you. This helps a great deal not only in the quest for > Mathew's father but for others who have an Indiana family who might tie > in. > > This lets Mathew out as a son of Thomas as he was born 1807/8 so would > have > been an heir to Elizabeth. Eliminating a possibility is valuable. > > The next step then in discovering his father would be to find out who > Francis's children were which may prove more difficult. > >>From the "Illustrated history of Lane County, Oregon" published in 1884. > This was published during the lifetime of Thomas's son Harrison Kincaid > who > was founder and editor of the Oregon State Journal newspaper. The level of > detail indicates that someone with a great deal of family knowledge was > the > informant. > > "Thomas of Oregon b July 27, 1800.... was the second son of Francis and > Nancy Kincaid, who had 7 sons and five girls...His mother's maiden name > was > Murdock......January 9 1831 Thomas Kincaid married Miss Nancy > Chodrick...At > the age of 17 years Thomas Kincaid emigrated with his parents from > Greenbrier Co. VA in a canoe and flat boat down the Great Kanawha and Ohio > Rivers in the year 1817 to Indiana and settled eighteen miles northeast of > Indianapolis on Fall Creek just below the mouth of Lick's Creek...He > continued to reside in that neighborhood near where Madison, Hamilton and > Hancock counties corner...In the fall of 1844 Thomas and Nancy...left > their > old home in Madison Co. Ind...at St Louis (MO) they were induced by the > glowing description of a relative to go to Iowa Territory...They went to > Wapello Co. Iowa and remained during winter and part of the next summer > about three miles north of Des Moines River near Iowaville....Not liking > the > cold winter they started in the summer of 1845 for Texas (after traveling > through Arkansas and Kentucky they ended back in Indiana in 1846)...In > 1852 > Thomas and Nancy started for the Oregon Territory but stopped for one year > in Benton Co. Indiana." > > Wapello Co. Iowa is slightly north of but between Wayne Co. and Van Buran > Co. It is closer to Van Buran. Any of the counties mentioned could be > where > siblings may be found though as a double cousin to the children of > Thomas/Elizabeth Murdock, one of them might be why he wintered in a > particular place. > > Sue Liedtke > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:24 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > > >> Sue, >> I do have the estate papers for Elizabeth Murdock Kincaid, widow of >> Thomas >> Kincaid (b.abt. 1775 VA- d.abt.1844 IN). Here is the court order from >> Boone Co, IN May term 1854. >> "In the matter of the estate of Elizabeth Kincade, dec'd. Distribution to >> heirs. >> Comes now said Andrew Kincade and on proof to the court orally made, it >> is >> ordered that the money and notes found to be due is ordered to be >> distributed and paid to the following persons, heirs to said estate in >> equal proportions, viz James Kincade, Elizabeth Frazier, Thomas Kincade, >> John Kincade, Margaret Vangorder, Andrew Kincade, Sarah Whitecotton and >> William Kincade and upon calculation it is found that after paying >> expenses accrued since last term, there is $65.80 for distribution whiuch >> will pay to each of said heirs, and the clerk of this court is ordered to >> make distribution accordingly by Oct. 11th, 1855. >> Rec'd of Kise Clerk on an order from Madison G. Walker, guardian of the >> minor heirs of Thomas Kincade decd. $8.22 his share above my distributive >> share in above estate. signed James Kincaid, Wm. B. Kincaid, May 2, 1854, >> S.C. Doughtery, Judge." >> Note: The punctuation from the handwritten copy may be faulty, but I >> think >> one can get the idea of the heirs of Elizabeth Kincaid (and notice that >> Kincaid is not always spelled the same in this document) . The son, >> Thomas, died in Feb 1846 in Madison Co, IN. His sons were James and >> Madison. The $8.22 distribution would come out right for 8 children of >> Elizabeth. I have not found any Matthew Kincaid in the lineage of Thomas >> and Elizabeth Murcock Kincaid in Madison Co, IN or Boone Co., IN. >> Elizabeth's Bill of Sale for her estate lists buyers, and most of them >> are >> children and grandchildren--known names in the family, but there is no >> Matthew. >> >> I really don't know about the children of Francis and Nancy Murdock >> Kincaid. I've seen the names Rev. Nathaniel Francis Kincaid and Thomas >> Kincaid who died in Oregon. But there are probably others. >> >> I hope this helps in some way. >> Barbara Allen >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:45:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >> >> Barbara, >> Thank you. Do you have copies of her estate papers or know who the heirs >> are? We do not have a listing of the children of Thomas/Elizabeth. This >> would help tremendously in sorting out Indiana families. In particularly >> I >> am wondering whether Mathew/Elizabeth Kincaid from the 1850-1860 Wayne >> Co. >> IA census belonged to her. There are only 2 counties between Wayne and >> VanBuren. >> >> Another possibility for his father is Francis/Nancy Murdock. I believe >> when >> Francis's son Thomas was wondering about he mentioned going to Iowa to >> see >> relatives. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >>> >>> Sue wrote: >>> "It would be very interesting to know where the date and place of death >>> for >>> Elizabeth Murdock came from. >>> Sue Liedtke" >>> >>> Sue, I assume you are referring to this message: >>>> "Looking for Elizabeth MURDOCH b.abt 1774 Augusta, Va., Elizabeth >>>> MURDOCH >>>> married Thomas KINCAID in May 1798 Greenbrier Co, VA, USA., Elizabeth >>>> MURDOCH died 15 May 1851 Van Buren, IA, USA >>> >>> I think I can help you with this one. After the death of Thomas Kincaid >>> in >>> Madison County, IN, his wife,Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid, and some of her >>> children moved to Boone County, IN. Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid's estate >>> was >>> settled at Boone County, IN although she was visiting (or living) with >>> her >>> daughter, Elizabeth Frazer, in Van Buren County, IA, when she died. Her >>> estate papers mention where she died and her heirs, etc. >>> >>> Barbara Allen >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could someone please check the 1870 census of Appanoose County, Iowa for Joseph Kinkade and/or other Kinkades (any spelling). I thought I could find the census on the Internet but no luck so far. Thanks for the help, Mary Hart

Which line does this Joseph Kincade belong to?  Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: "Utahn1@aol.com" <Utahn1@aol.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:16:11 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census Mary, I found it. Caldwell Township, Appanoose, Iowa, Pg.. 17  (369) Kincade, Joseph, 44, m,w, Farmer (word I cannot read), Pers. Estate  $400, b. Penn, 1 male citizen over 21 Sarah J., 44, f, w, keeps house, b. Ohio Francis J., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio Florence L., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio Margaret, 10, f, w, at home, b. Ohio Rebecca C, 8, f, w, at home, b. Ohio Charles W., 8 m, w, at home, b. Ohio McLydia, 6, f, w, born Indiana All the children attended school, and there is a mark saying Margaret  cannot write. Because there was no indication that Joseph had personal property, I went  back a page. The landowner appears to be: Johnson, William, 34, m, w, farmer, R.E.$1400, Personal Estate $916, b.  Penn., 1 male citizen over 21 Louisa, 26, f, w, keeps house, Ohio Alice, 10, f, w, at home, b. Iowa Warren, 8, m, w, at home, b. Iowa Emma, 6, f, w, at home, b. Iowa Lunetta, 3, f, w, b. Iowa Edward, 11/12, b. Iowa in May Lenark, Mary, 17, f, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $480, b. Indiana Lenark, Francis, 19, m, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $275, b. Indiana Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 9/19/2008 10:35:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  mfhart@grm.net writes: Could someone please check the 1870 census of  Appanoose County, Iowa for Joseph Kinkade and/or other Kinkades (any  spelling).  I thought I could find the census on the Internet but no  luck so far. Thanks for the help, Mary Hart To see the Kincaid  of all spellings DNA chart in  Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of  the message **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges?  Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators.      (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have done a rather simple family tree with Ancestory.com and have traced back to the year 1441 with Robert De Kyncade as the final entry or starting point. I also see where Samuel Kincaid was the first to come to the United States. Samuel was born 1700 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Can you find more info on Samuel, immigration papers, landing point in the US? etc. Shows he died in 1794 in Greenbrier, West Virginia. Also any more information on Robert De Kyncade greatly appreciated. The Kincaids on my side settled in Owsley county(Lee County) Kentucky. David Kincaid, Lexington, Kentucky

>From Barbara Allen's post on the heirs of Thomas/Elizabeth Murdock Kincaid, we know that John was probably b 1799 as he is listed as Elizabeth's heir. Francis and Hannah (if this list is correct) would need to be born prior May 1798 when Thomas m Elizabeth Murdock as they are not listed among Elizabeth's heirs. Thomas's first wife was supposed to be Hannah Viney but I haven't seen proof of this. Viney first appears on the tax rolls in the Muddy Creek area of Greenbrier Co. in 1812 which would suggest a birth year of 1791. He remained in Ohio when his father moved on to Indiana. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > Lewis Kincaid posted his research on this family, which was dated 1998. > His ancestor was ThomasKincaid's son John who married Mary Schotts. > > Their Combined Children Were: ( 1804 Represents "Period Time Table Of > Probable Birth, Accurate Dates Not Available At This Time" ) > > Viney was b. 1793. > > John was b. 1797. ( More Commonly Referred To As 1804 ) in , , , Virginia. > John was married to Mary SHOTTS b. 1808 in , , Ohio. John died either 10th > or 20th of Mar 1888. > > Thomas was b. 8 Jan 1802 in , , , Virginia. > > Francis was b. 1804. > > Hannah was b. 1804. > > James was b. 1804. > > Samuel ( William ) was b. 1804. > > Elizabeth was b. 1806 in , , , Virginia. Elizabeth was married to Thomas > FRAZIER. > > Margaret was b. 1807 in , , ,Virginia. Margaret was married to Alexander > VANGORDER. > Andrew was b. 1810 in , , ,Virginia. Andrew was married on 15 July 1848 to > his 2nd Wife, Martha REED . > Sarah was b. 9 June 181 in , , ,Kentucky. Sarah was married on 30 Jan 1830 > to Moses WHITECOTTON. Sarah died on 14 July 1866 in ,Putnam Co. Indiana > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVHANCOC/1998-03/0889348911 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > > >> Sue, >> I do have the estate papers for Elizabeth Murdock Kincaid, widow of >> Thomas >> Kincaid (b.abt. 1775 VA- d.abt.1844 IN). Here is the court order from >> Boone Co, IN May term 1854. >> "In the matter of the estate of Elizabeth Kincade, dec'd. Distribution to >> heirs. >> Comes now said Andrew Kincade and on proof to the court orally made, it >> is >> ordered that the money and notes found to be due is ordered to be >> distributed and paid to the following persons, heirs to said estate in >> equal proportions, viz James Kincade, Elizabeth Frazier, Thomas Kincade, >> John Kincade, Margaret Vangorder, Andrew Kincade, Sarah Whitecotton and >> William Kincade and upon calculation it is found that after paying >> expenses accrued since last term, there is $65.80 for distribution whiuch >> will pay to each of said heirs, and the clerk of this court is ordered to >> make distribution accordingly by Oct. 11th, 1855. >> Rec'd of Kise Clerk on an order from Madison G. Walker, guardian of the >> minor heirs of Thomas Kincade decd. $8.22 his share above my distributive >> share in above estate. signed James Kincaid, Wm. B. Kincaid, May 2, 1854, >> S.C. Doughtery, Judge." >> Note: The punctuation from the handwritten copy may be faulty, but I >> think >> one can get the idea of the heirs of Elizabeth Kincaid (and notice that >> Kincaid is not always spelled the same in this document) . The son, >> Thomas, died in Feb 1846 in Madison Co, IN. His sons were James and >> Madison. The $8.22 distribution would come out right for 8 children of >> Elizabeth. I have not found any Matthew Kincaid in the lineage of Thomas >> and Elizabeth Murcock Kincaid in Madison Co, IN or Boone Co., IN. >> Elizabeth's Bill of Sale for her estate lists buyers, and most of them >> are >> children and grandchildren--known names in the family, but there is no >> Matthew. >> >> I really don't know about the children of Francis and Nancy Murdock >> Kincaid. I've seen the names Rev. Nathaniel Francis Kincaid and Thomas >> Kincaid who died in Oregon. But there are probably others. >> >> I hope this helps in some way. >> Barbara Allen >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:45:24 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >> >> Barbara, >> Thank you. Do you have copies of her estate papers or know who the heirs >> are? We do not have a listing of the children of Thomas/Elizabeth. This >> would help tremendously in sorting out Indiana families. In particularly >> I >> am wondering whether Mathew/Elizabeth Kincaid from the 1850-1860 Wayne >> Co. >> IA census belonged to her. There are only 2 counties between Wayne and >> VanBuren. >> >> Another possibility for his father is Francis/Nancy Murdock. I believe >> when >> Francis's son Thomas was wondering about he mentioned going to Iowa to >> see >> relatives. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >>> >>> Sue wrote: >>> "It would be very interesting to know where the date and place of death >>> for >>> Elizabeth Murdock came from. >>> Sue Liedtke" >>> >>> Sue, I assume you are referring to this message: >>>> "Looking for Elizabeth MURDOCH b.abt 1774 Augusta, Va., Elizabeth >>>> MURDOCH >>>> married Thomas KINCAID in May 1798 Greenbrier Co, VA, USA., Elizabeth >>>> MURDOCH died 15 May 1851 Van Buren, IA, USA >>> >>> I think I can help you with this one. After the death of Thomas Kincaid >>> in >>> Madison County, IN, his wife,Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid, and some of her >>> children moved to Boone County, IN. Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid's estate >>> was >>> settled at Boone County, IN although she was visiting (or living) with >>> her >>> daughter, Elizabeth Frazer, in Van Buren County, IA, when she died. Her >>> estate papers mention where she died and her heirs, etc. >>> >>> Barbara Allen >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, thank you. This helps a great deal not only in the quest for Mathew's father but for others who have an Indiana family who might tie in. This lets Mathew out as a son of Thomas as he was born 1807/8 so would have been an heir to Elizabeth. Eliminating a possibility is valuable. The next step then in discovering his father would be to find out who Francis's children were which may prove more difficult. >From the "Illustrated history of Lane County, Oregon" published in 1884. This was published during the lifetime of Thomas's son Harrison Kincaid who was founder and editor of the Oregon State Journal newspaper. The level of detail indicates that someone with a great deal of family knowledge was the informant. "Thomas of Oregon b July 27, 1800.... was the second son of Francis and Nancy Kincaid, who had 7 sons and five girls...His mother's maiden name was Murdock......January 9 1831 Thomas Kincaid married Miss Nancy Chodrick...At the age of 17 years Thomas Kincaid emigrated with his parents from Greenbrier Co. VA in a canoe and flat boat down the Great Kanawha and Ohio Rivers in the year 1817 to Indiana and settled eighteen miles northeast of Indianapolis on Fall Creek just below the mouth of Lick's Creek...He continued to reside in that neighborhood near where Madison, Hamilton and Hancock counties corner...In the fall of 1844 Thomas and Nancy...left their old home in Madison Co. Ind...at St Louis (MO) they were induced by the glowing description of a relative to go to Iowa Territory...They went to Wapello Co. Iowa and remained during winter and part of the next summer about three miles north of Des Moines River near Iowaville....Not liking the cold winter they started in the summer of 1845 for Texas (after traveling through Arkansas and Kentucky they ended back in Indiana in 1846)...In 1852 Thomas and Nancy started for the Oregon Territory but stopped for one year in Benton Co. Indiana." Wapello Co. Iowa is slightly north of but between Wayne Co. and Van Buran Co. It is closer to Van Buran. Any of the counties mentioned could be where siblings may be found though as a double cousin to the children of Thomas/Elizabeth Murdock, one of them might be why he wintered in a particular place. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > Sue, > I do have the estate papers for Elizabeth Murdock Kincaid, widow of Thomas > Kincaid (b.abt. 1775 VA- d.abt.1844 IN). Here is the court order from > Boone Co, IN May term 1854. > "In the matter of the estate of Elizabeth Kincade, dec'd. Distribution to > heirs. > Comes now said Andrew Kincade and on proof to the court orally made, it is > ordered that the money and notes found to be due is ordered to be > distributed and paid to the following persons, heirs to said estate in > equal proportions, viz James Kincade, Elizabeth Frazier, Thomas Kincade, > John Kincade, Margaret Vangorder, Andrew Kincade, Sarah Whitecotton and > William Kincade and upon calculation it is found that after paying > expenses accrued since last term, there is $65.80 for distribution whiuch > will pay to each of said heirs, and the clerk of this court is ordered to > make distribution accordingly by Oct. 11th, 1855. > Rec'd of Kise Clerk on an order from Madison G. Walker, guardian of the > minor heirs of Thomas Kincade decd. $8.22 his share above my distributive > share in above estate. signed James Kincaid, Wm. B. Kincaid, May 2, 1854, > S.C. Doughtery, Judge." > Note: The punctuation from the handwritten copy may be faulty, but I think > one can get the idea of the heirs of Elizabeth Kincaid (and notice that > Kincaid is not always spelled the same in this document) . The son, > Thomas, died in Feb 1846 in Madison Co, IN. His sons were James and > Madison. The $8.22 distribution would come out right for 8 children of > Elizabeth. I have not found any Matthew Kincaid in the lineage of Thomas > and Elizabeth Murcock Kincaid in Madison Co, IN or Boone Co., IN. > Elizabeth's Bill of Sale for her estate lists buyers, and most of them are > children and grandchildren--known names in the family, but there is no > Matthew. > > I really don't know about the children of Francis and Nancy Murdock > Kincaid. I've seen the names Rev. Nathaniel Francis Kincaid and Thomas > Kincaid who died in Oregon. But there are probably others. > > I hope this helps in some way. > Barbara Allen > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:45:24 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > > Barbara, > Thank you. Do you have copies of her estate papers or know who the heirs > are? We do not have a listing of the children of Thomas/Elizabeth. This > would help tremendously in sorting out Indiana families. In particularly I > am wondering whether Mathew/Elizabeth Kincaid from the 1850-1860 Wayne Co. > IA census belonged to her. There are only 2 counties between Wayne and > VanBuren. > > Another possibility for his father is Francis/Nancy Murdock. I believe > when > Francis's son Thomas was wondering about he mentioned going to Iowa to see > relatives. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >> >> Sue wrote: >> "It would be very interesting to know where the date and place of death >> for >> Elizabeth Murdock came from. >> Sue Liedtke" >> >> Sue, I assume you are referring to this message: >>> "Looking for Elizabeth MURDOCH b.abt 1774 Augusta, Va., Elizabeth >>> MURDOCH >>> married Thomas KINCAID in May 1798 Greenbrier Co, VA, USA., Elizabeth >>> MURDOCH died 15 May 1851 Van Buren, IA, USA >> >> I think I can help you with this one. After the death of Thomas Kincaid >> in >> Madison County, IN, his wife,Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid, and some of her >> children moved to Boone County, IN. Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid's estate >> was >> settled at Boone County, IN although she was visiting (or living) with >> her >> daughter, Elizabeth Frazer, in Van Buren County, IA, when she died. Her >> estate papers mention where she died and her heirs, etc. >> >> Barbara Allen > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lewis Kincaid posted his research on this family, which was dated 1998. His ancestor was ThomasKincaid's son John who married Mary Schotts. Their Combined Children Were: ( 1804 Represents "Period Time Table Of Probable Birth, Accurate Dates Not Available At This Time" ) Viney was b. 1793. John was b. 1797. ( More Commonly Referred To As 1804 ) in , , , Virginia. John was married to Mary SHOTTS b. 1808 in , , Ohio. John died either 10th or 20th of Mar 1888. Thomas was b. 8 Jan 1802 in , , , Virginia. Francis was b. 1804. Hannah was b. 1804. James was b. 1804. Samuel ( William ) was b. 1804. Elizabeth was b. 1806 in , , , Virginia. Elizabeth was married to Thomas FRAZIER. Margaret was b. 1807 in , , ,Virginia. Margaret was married to Alexander VANGORDER. Andrew was b. 1810 in , , ,Virginia. Andrew was married on 15 July 1848 to his 2nd Wife, Martha REED . Sarah was b. 9 June 181 in , , ,Kentucky. Sarah was married on 30 Jan 1830 to Moses WHITECOTTON. Sarah died on 14 July 1866 in ,Putnam Co. Indiana http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/WVHANCOC/1998-03/0889348911 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > Sue, > I do have the estate papers for Elizabeth Murdock Kincaid, widow of Thomas > Kincaid (b.abt. 1775 VA- d.abt.1844 IN). Here is the court order from > Boone Co, IN May term 1854. > "In the matter of the estate of Elizabeth Kincade, dec'd. Distribution to > heirs. > Comes now said Andrew Kincade and on proof to the court orally made, it is > ordered that the money and notes found to be due is ordered to be > distributed and paid to the following persons, heirs to said estate in > equal proportions, viz James Kincade, Elizabeth Frazier, Thomas Kincade, > John Kincade, Margaret Vangorder, Andrew Kincade, Sarah Whitecotton and > William Kincade and upon calculation it is found that after paying > expenses accrued since last term, there is $65.80 for distribution whiuch > will pay to each of said heirs, and the clerk of this court is ordered to > make distribution accordingly by Oct. 11th, 1855. > Rec'd of Kise Clerk on an order from Madison G. Walker, guardian of the > minor heirs of Thomas Kincade decd. $8.22 his share above my distributive > share in above estate. signed James Kincaid, Wm. B. Kincaid, May 2, 1854, > S.C. Doughtery, Judge." > Note: The punctuation from the handwritten copy may be faulty, but I think > one can get the idea of the heirs of Elizabeth Kincaid (and notice that > Kincaid is not always spelled the same in this document) . The son, > Thomas, died in Feb 1846 in Madison Co, IN. His sons were James and > Madison. The $8.22 distribution would come out right for 8 children of > Elizabeth. I have not found any Matthew Kincaid in the lineage of Thomas > and Elizabeth Murcock Kincaid in Madison Co, IN or Boone Co., IN. > Elizabeth's Bill of Sale for her estate lists buyers, and most of them are > children and grandchildren--known names in the family, but there is no > Matthew. > > I really don't know about the children of Francis and Nancy Murdock > Kincaid. I've seen the names Rev. Nathaniel Francis Kincaid and Thomas > Kincaid who died in Oregon. But there are probably others. > > I hope this helps in some way. > Barbara Allen > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:45:24 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > > Barbara, > Thank you. Do you have copies of her estate papers or know who the heirs > are? We do not have a listing of the children of Thomas/Elizabeth. This > would help tremendously in sorting out Indiana families. In particularly I > am wondering whether Mathew/Elizabeth Kincaid from the 1850-1860 Wayne Co. > IA census belonged to her. There are only 2 counties between Wayne and > VanBuren. > > Another possibility for his father is Francis/Nancy Murdock. I believe > when > Francis's son Thomas was wondering about he mentioned going to Iowa to see > relatives. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >> >> Sue wrote: >> "It would be very interesting to know where the date and place of death >> for >> Elizabeth Murdock came from. >> Sue Liedtke" >> >> Sue, I assume you are referring to this message: >>> "Looking for Elizabeth MURDOCH b.abt 1774 Augusta, Va., Elizabeth >>> MURDOCH >>> married Thomas KINCAID in May 1798 Greenbrier Co, VA, USA., Elizabeth >>> MURDOCH died 15 May 1851 Van Buren, IA, USA >> >> I think I can help you with this one. After the death of Thomas Kincaid >> in >> Madison County, IN, his wife,Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid, and some of her >> children moved to Boone County, IN. Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid's estate >> was >> settled at Boone County, IN although she was visiting (or living) with >> her >> daughter, Elizabeth Frazer, in Van Buren County, IA, when she died. Her >> estate papers mention where she died and her heirs, etc. >> >> Barbara Allen > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, page 490 James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of the District of Columbia. "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for twelve years. He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." **************************** The above information was found in google books: Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton Published by , 1915 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Oct 3, 2007 314 pages http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 Barb Van Hout

Sue, I do have the estate papers for Elizabeth Murdock Kincaid, widow of Thomas Kincaid (b.abt. 1775 VA- d.abt.1844 IN). Here is the court order from Boone Co, IN May term 1854. "In the matter of the estate of Elizabeth Kincade, dec'd. Distribution to heirs. Comes now said Andrew Kincade and on proof to the court orally made, it is ordered that the money and notes found to be due is ordered to be distributed and paid to the following persons, heirs to said estate in equal proportions, viz James Kincade, Elizabeth Frazier, Thomas Kincade, John Kincade, Margaret Vangorder, Andrew Kincade, Sarah Whitecotton and William Kincade and upon calculation it is found that after paying expenses accrued since last term, there is $65.80 for distribution whiuch will pay to each of said heirs, and the clerk of this court is ordered to make distribution accordingly by Oct. 11th, 1855. Rec'd of Kise Clerk on an order from Madison G. Walker, guardian of the minor heirs of Thomas Kincade decd. $8.22 his share above my distributive share in above estate. signed James Kincaid, Wm. B. Kincaid, May 2, 1854, S.C. Doughtery, Judge." Note: The punctuation from the handwritten copy may be faulty, but I think one can get the idea of the heirs of Elizabeth Kincaid (and notice that Kincaid is not always spelled the same in this document) . The son, Thomas, died in Feb 1846 in Madison Co, IN. His sons were James and Madison. The $8.22 distribution would come out right for 8 children of Elizabeth. I have not found any Matthew Kincaid in the lineage of Thomas and Elizabeth Murcock Kincaid in Madison Co, IN or Boone Co., IN. Elizabeth's Bill of Sale for her estate lists buyers, and most of them are children and grandchildren--known names in the family, but there is no Matthew. I really don't know about the children of Francis and Nancy Murdock Kincaid. I've seen the names Rev. Nathaniel Francis Kincaid and Thomas Kincaid who died in Oregon. But there are probably others. I hope this helps in some way. Barbara Allen ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:45:24 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade Barbara, Thank you. Do you have copies of her estate papers or know who the heirs are? We do not have a listing of the children of Thomas/Elizabeth. This would help tremendously in sorting out Indiana families. In particularly I am wondering whether Mathew/Elizabeth Kincaid from the 1850-1860 Wayne Co. IA census belonged to her. There are only 2 counties between Wayne and VanBuren. Another possibility for his father is Francis/Nancy Murdock. I believe when Francis's son Thomas was wondering about he mentioned going to Iowa to see relatives. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > > Sue wrote: > "It would be very interesting to know where the date and place of death > for > Elizabeth Murdock came from. > Sue Liedtke" > > Sue, I assume you are referring to this message: >> "Looking for Elizabeth MURDOCH b.abt 1774 Augusta, Va., Elizabeth MURDOCH >> married Thomas KINCAID in May 1798 Greenbrier Co, VA, USA., Elizabeth >> MURDOCH died 15 May 1851 Van Buren, IA, USA > > I think I can help you with this one. After the death of Thomas Kincaid in > Madison County, IN, his wife,Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid, and some of her > children moved to Boone County, IN. Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid's estate was > settled at Boone County, IN although she was visiting (or living) with her > daughter, Elizabeth Frazer, in Van Buren County, IA, when she died. Her > estate papers mention where she died and her heirs, etc. > > Barbara Allen

>From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, page 490 James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of the District of Columbia. "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for twelve years. He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." **************************** The above information was found in google books: Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton Published by , 1915 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Oct 3, 2007 314 pages http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 Barb Van Hout

> Please excuse my temporary silence, I had a procedure on my spine yesterday, and I will dig back into my notes/paperwork when I feel like getting back up. I should feel better this evening or tomorrow, thank you for your patience, Kelly Kincade-Lewis Barbara, > Thank you. Do you have copies of her estate papers or know who the heirs > are? We do not have a listing of the children of Thomas/Elizabeth. This > would help tremendously in sorting out Indiana families. In particularly I > am wondering whether Mathew/Elizabeth Kincaid from the 1850-1860 Wayne Co. > IA census belonged to her. There are only 2 counties between Wayne and > VanBuren. > > Another possibility for his father is Francis/Nancy Murdock. I believe > when > Francis's son Thomas was wondering about he mentioned going to Iowa to see > relatives. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Sue wrote: >> "It would be very interesting to know where the date and place of death >> for >> Elizabeth Murdock came from. >> Sue Liedtke" >> >> Sue, I assume you are referring to this message: >>> "Looking for Elizabeth MURDOCH b.abt 1774 Augusta, Va., Elizabeth >>> MURDOCH >>> married Thomas KINCAID in May 1798 Greenbrier Co, VA, USA., Elizabeth >>> MURDOCH died 15 May 1851 Van Buren, IA, USA >> >> I think I can help you with this one. After the death of Thomas Kincaid >> in >> Madison County, IN, his wife,Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid, and some of her >> children moved to Boone County, IN. Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid's estate >> was >> settled at Boone County, IN although she was visiting (or living) with >> her >> daughter, Elizabeth Frazer, in Van Buren County, IA, when she died. Her >> estate papers mention where she died and her heirs, etc. >> >> Barbara Allen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> >> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >> >> >>> Who was this Matthew Kincaid and his family? >>> >>> Virginia Marriage Index, 1740-1850 shows the following Murdock >>> marriages >>> in >>> Monroe County: >>> Polly Murdock married Mathew Kincade June 2, 1807; >>> >>> **************************** >>> >>> Francis Kincaid was in Hamilton County, Indiana in April, 1828, and >>> bought >>> the following items at the estate sale of Joseph Kirkendall. >>> >>> Francis Kincaid ~ pair of chains >>> 1 cleivis >>> 1 chissel >>> 1 pair of horse shoes >>> http://www.genealogy.com/users/n/e/u/Madonna-W-Neumann/FILE/0004text.txt >>> >>> An old message from Lewis Kincaid: >>> >>> "Looking for Elizabeth MURDOCH b.abt 1774 Augusta, Va., Elizabeth >>> MURDOCH >>> married Thomas KINCAID in May 1798 Greenbrier Co, VA, USA., Elizabeth >>> MURDOCH died 15 May 1851 Van Buren, IA, USA. Elizabeth MURDOCH may or >>> may >>> not have been married twice." >>> >>> The 1850 Van Buren County, Iowa ( Keosauqua) census shows an Elizabeth >>> Kincaid, a. 76, b. North Carolina, living with Elizabeth Frazer a. 50 >>> ?, >>> b. >>> VA, Thomas Frazer >>> 27 VA, Margaret Frazer 17 VA, Maria Frazer 14 IA, John Frazer 11 IA. >>> >>> ************************************** >>> >>> The only Murdoch family in Chalkley's Chronicles was a James Murdoch >>> and >>> wife Jenny Graham. >>> >>> Petition, 1806, by Jakob >>> Graham, James Mordock and Jenny, his wife, (late Graham) ; Susanna Gra- >>> ham;----- and Polly, his wife, (late Graham); William Graham; Peggy >>> Graham (called Rebecca or Pecky Graham), who are heirs and children of >>> Wm. Graham, deceased. >>> ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/2court20.txt >>> >>> >>> Isaac Trimble, James McLaughlin, John Mathews (of Greenbrier >>> County), Francis McLaughlin, ____ McLaughlin and ____ McLaughlin, >>> the three latter children and heirs of Sally McLaughlin, late Sally >>> Trimble, deceased, who sue by James McLaughlin, their father and next >>> friend, vs. Graham--O. S. 48; N. S. 16. Sally Trimble was daughter of >>> Isaac. Rev. William Graham died intestate, leaving children and heirs. >>> Jane Graham married James Murdock and lives in Pennsylvania. Polly >>> Graham married Reid Bracken and lives in Pennsylvania. Susannah >>> Graham married ____ Rice and live in Kentucky. William Graham. The >>> other children died without heirs. >>> ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/2court11.txt >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >>> >>> >>>> Please look over the linkages for #129770 to Mathew Kincade. Anyone >>>> with >>>> any >>>> questions or comments either yea or nay, please post them. You are the >>>> vetting committee so we need to hear your voices. >>>> >>>> This has a potential for being a very important result for the >>>> Fayette/Greenbrier/Albemarle/Augusta Co. VA Kincaids so we need to be >>>> very >>>> sure that the DNA is indeed that of this Mathew. Kelly has not been >>>> able >>>> to >>>> find proof of Mathew's father but names, locations and time frame >>>> appear >>>> to >>>> connect him to Thomas/Hannah Tincher through either son Frances or son >>>> Thomas. We have primary and secondary proof that Frances/Nancy Murdock >>>> and >>>> Thomas/Elizabeth Murdock of Indiana were sons of this couple. >>>> >>>> I will wait a week and again ask for input. >>>> Sue Liedtke >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <lewisjo@junct.com> >>>> To: <KINCAID@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 11:15 AM >>>> Subject: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >>>> >>>> >>>>> Robert Riley Kincade #129770 Participant >>>>> (Testing in Progress) >>>>> Researcher: Kelly Kincade-Lewis, dau of Robert R. Kincade >>>>> >>>>> Vetting Robert Riley Kincade to Mathew Kincade & Elizabeth Humble >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Robert Riley Kincade b. Muskogee, OK 7/13/1931 >>>>> >>>>> Son of: Robert Seth Kincade & Hattie Louise Lay >>>>> >>>>> Proven by: >>>>> 1931 OK Birth Cert. for Robert Riley Kincade naming his parents >>>>> as Robert Seth Kincade & Hattie Louise Lay. >>>>> >>>>> Personal Knowledge: Robert knew his father and was acknowledge by >>>>> family as Robert Seth Kincade's son. >>>>> __________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Robert Seth Kincade b.Ellis Co.OK 4/29/1905 d.Springfield,MO 2/1970 >>>>> >>>>> Son of: John Albert Kincade and Flora A. Dilley m. 2/18/1891 >>>>> >>>>> Proven by: >>>>> Social Security Death Index Record; stating his date of birth as >>>>> 4/29/1905, stating place of birth as OK, and stating place of death >>>>> as Springfield, MO Feb 1970. >>>>> >>>>> US Marine Corp Muster Rolls 1798-1940; Personal records ordered from >>>>> the Nat'l Archives stating his date of birth as 4/29/1905, stating >>>>> his >>>>> birth as Arnett, Ellis Co. OK, stating parents as John A. Kincade & >>>>> Flora >>>>> A. Dilley. >>>>> >>>>> 1910 US Fed Census Records; OK, Harper, Twn of Haskell, family listed >>>>> as: >>>>> J.A.Kincade - head- 39 - m 2 b.MO >>>>> Bulah G. Kincade - wife - (stepmom) 20 m 1 b.IA >>>>> Ross Kincade - son 10 b.MO >>>>> Louise Kincade - dau 7 b.MO >>>>> Robert Kincade - son 5 b.OK >>>>> Coda Kincade - dau 10/12 b.OK (should be Cleta) >>>>> >>>>> 1920 US Fed Census Records; MO, Greene, Twn of Springfield Ward >>>>> 5,family >>>>> as: >>>>> John A. Kincaid - head 39 b.MO >>>>> Beulah Kincaid - wife 30 b.IA >>>>> Louise Kincaid -dau 17 b.MO >>>>> Robert Kincaid - son 14 b.OK >>>>> Cleda Kincaid - dau 10 b. MO >>>>> Ivan Kincaid - son 7 4/12 b.OK >>>>> Cora Kincaid - dau 1 4/12 b.MO >>>>> >>>>> Personal knowledge; Robert Seth knew his father and was accepted by >>>>> family >>>>> and friends as John Albert Kincade's son. >>>>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> John Albert Kincade b.Chillicothe, Livingston Co,MO 7/18/1870 >>>>> d.1/12/1960 >>>>> Springfield,Greene Co., MO >>>>> >>>>> Son of: Mordecai Kincade & Martha Jane Bailey (Bates) >>>>> >>>>> Proven by: >>>>> Marriage Cert. from Day Co.(now Ellis Co.) OK, dated 12/9/1907, >>>>> listing >>>>> his parents as Mortica Kincade and Martha J. Bates. >>>>> >>>>> Bias Magazine:Vol 4 -#11, dated 7/21/1953; Personal Biography >>>>> (Citizen >>>>> of the Week Article) of John Albert Kincade, stating his parents as >>>>> Mordecai >>>>> and Martha Jane Kincade of Chillicothe, MO. As reported by Jim >>>>> Billings, >>>>> Bias Magazine Reporter. >>>>> >>>>> Personal Knowledge; Robert Riley Kincade & Robert Seth Kincade knew >>>>> John >>>>> Albert Kincade as Robert Seth's father, and Robert Riley's >>>>> grandfather. >>>>> _________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Mordecai Kincade b.IN abt 1844 d.Chillicothe,MO 1872 >>>>> >>>>> Son of: Mathew Kincade & Elizabeth Humble >>>>> >>>>> Proven by: >>>>> 1850 US Census, IN, Marion Co, Twn Lawrence, family as listed: >>>>> Mathew Kingkale no age b.VA Male >>>>> Elizabeth Kingkade 34 b.IN Female (KY?) >>>>> Calvin Kingkade 9 b.IN Male >>>>> Sally Kingkade 8 b.IN Female >>>>> Mordeca Kingkade 5 b.IN Male >>>>> Thomas Kingkade 3 b.IN Male >>>>> Francis Kingkade 5/12 b.IN Male >>>>> >>>>> 1856 State of IA Census, Wayne Co, Twn Benton, family as listed: >>>>> Mathew Kincade 48 b.VA Male >>>>> Elizabeth Kincade 43 b.KY Female >>>>> Calvin Kincade 16 b.IN Male >>>>> Saras S Kincade 14 b.IN Female >>>>> Mordica Kincade 12 b.IN Male >>>>> Thomas Kincade 8 b.IN Male >>>>> Frances Kincade 4 b.IN Female (should be Male) >>>>> Hannah J Kincade 3 b.IN Female >>>>> James Kincade 1 b.IN Male >>>>> Alexander Terrel 20 b.OH Male >>>>> >>>>> 1860 US Census, IA, Wayne Co, Twn Benton, family as listed: >>>>> Mathew Kincaid 53 Male b.VA >>>>> Elizabeth Kincaid 47 Female b.KY >>>>> Mordica Kincaid 16 Male b.IN >>>>> Thomas Kincaid 12 Male b.IN >>>>> Frances Kincaid 13 Male b.IN >>>>> Hannah J Kincaid 8 Female b.IN >>>>> James Kincaid 5 Male b.IN >>>>> Lovina Kincaid 2 Female b.IA >>>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>>> I haven't found a death cert. for Mordecai Kincade, but I did find >>>>> one >>>>> for his brother Calvin, who is listed on the above 1850 Fed & 1856 IA >>>>> State census records. His birth is listed as 7/27/1839, place of >>>>> birth >>>>> is listed as Indiana, date of death is 2/1/1928 (88yrs, 6mo, 5 days) >>>>> in >>>>> the city of Trenton, Co. of Grundy, MO. buried in N.Evans Cemetary, >>>>> Trenton, Mo on Feb 2 1928. I found this info on the State of MO's >>>>> Digital >>>>> Heritage Web Site. It is also filed in Grundy County Mo (1928). It >>>>> lists >>>>> his parents as Mathew Kincade b.VA and Elizabeth Humble b.NY. Calvin >>>>> is >>>>> also located on the IA 1860 Fed Census in the same county-Wayne, >>>>> twn-Benton and Post Office-Corydon, as the rest of his family, but >>>>> listed >>>>> separately, with his wife: >>>>> Calvin Kincaid 20 b.IN >>>>> Tlitha Kincaid 18 b.VA >>>>> >>>>> Also located on the MO Digital Heritage web site, is the service >>>>> records >>>>> for the men of the Civil War, with Mordecai & his brother Calvin >>>>> listed; >>>>> Secretary of State, Missouri Digital Heritage Collection; Missouri >>>>> State Archives; Soliders Records: War of 1812-WW 1; Office of >>>>> Adjutant >>>>> General, Box 47, Reel s780: >>>>> >>>>> Mordecai Kincade- Rank:Private, Conflict:Civil War, Side:Union, >>>>> Organization:Enrolled Missouri Militia, Company:C, Commander:Capt ?A >>>>> Spickard, Enrolled:July 12,1862 Where:Chillicothe,MO Ordered into >>>>> active >>>>> service:July 12,1862 Relieved from duty:Apr 4,1863 *(152 days) >>>>> Ordered >>>>> into active service:July 20,1864, Relieved from duty:1864 (27 days), >>>>> Number >>>>> days actual service:179, Remarks:Prov't EMM left state, Card #611 >>>>> >>>>> Calvin Kincade- Rank:Private, Conflict:Civil War, Side:Union, >>>>> Organization:Enrolled Missouri Militia, Company:C, Commander:Capt ?A >>>>> Sprickard, Enrolled:July12,1862, Where:Chillicothe,MO, Ordered into >>>>> active >>>>> service:July 12,1862 Relieved from duty:Apr 4,1863 *(206 days) >>>>> Ordered >>>>> into active service:July 20,1864, Relieved from duty:1864 (10 days), >>>>> Number >>>>> days actual service:216, Remarks:Prov't EMM left state, Card #610 >>>>> >>>>> *I noticed that they joined the same date, served the same time, yet >>>>> Mordecai was not credited with as many service days as Calvin. Both >>>>> Calvin >>>>> and Mordecai left the Enrolled Missouri Militia to serve with Prov't >>>>> Missouri Militia for a battle out of state, then resumed their duties >>>>> with >>>>> the regualar Missouri Militia until 1864. >>>>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Mathew Kincade b.VA abt 1807/1808 d. aft 1860 >>>>> >>>>> Son of: Unknown >>>>> I have not found any absolute proof of Mathew's father or mother. >>>>> >>>>> Leslie McConachie, who has been noted as an organized and reliable >>>>> Kincaid >>>>> researcher, has listed Mathew's father as Francis Kincade b.1770/1779 >>>>> d.1830, a brother named James b.1799, and a brother named Washington >>>>> b.1816 >>>>> d. aft 1880. >>>>> >>>>> Mathew does not show up in any census records after 1860. His >>>>> children >>>>> for >>>>> the most part, moved to northwest MO, and do show up in census >>>>> records >>>>> in >>>>> Grundy, Caldwell and Livingston Counties. >>>>> _________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Additional Resources: >>>>> Book titled: "A.W. Kincade", written by James H. Thomas, American >>>>> Studies, >>>>> Wichita State University, 1984. The author sites the following >>>>> sources: >>>>> Jim Billings, "Citizen of the Week", Bias Magazine, 21 July 1953, pp >>>>> 20-21; >>>>> Alice Moer, ed., Our Ellis County Heritage (Shattuck, OK: Ellis Co. >>>>> Historical Society, 1974), p.8 ; O.H. Richards, "Early Days in Day >>>>> County", >>>>> The Chronicles of Oklahoma, Autumn 1948, pp. 320-323 ; Ada Kincade >>>>> Lane, >>>>> interview; "Obituary", Arnett Leader, 14 Dec 1906.; Dille, The Dille >>>>> Family, p 12-13. Book Topic: Mordecai's grandson, Author W. Kincade. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Barbara, Thank you. Do you have copies of her estate papers or know who the heirs are? We do not have a listing of the children of Thomas/Elizabeth. This would help tremendously in sorting out Indiana families. In particularly I am wondering whether Mathew/Elizabeth Kincaid from the 1850-1860 Wayne Co. IA census belonged to her. There are only 2 counties between Wayne and VanBuren. Another possibility for his father is Francis/Nancy Murdock. I believe when Francis's son Thomas was wondering about he mentioned going to Iowa to see relatives. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > > > > > > Sue wrote: > "It would be very interesting to know where the date and place of death > for > Elizabeth Murdock came from. > Sue Liedtke" > > Sue, I assume you are referring to this message: >> "Looking for Elizabeth MURDOCH b.abt 1774 Augusta, Va., Elizabeth MURDOCH >> married Thomas KINCAID in May 1798 Greenbrier Co, VA, USA., Elizabeth >> MURDOCH died 15 May 1851 Van Buren, IA, USA > > I think I can help you with this one. After the death of Thomas Kincaid in > Madison County, IN, his wife,Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid, and some of her > children moved to Boone County, IN. Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid's estate was > settled at Boone County, IN although she was visiting (or living) with her > daughter, Elizabeth Frazer, in Van Buren County, IA, when she died. Her > estate papers mention where she died and her heirs, etc. > > Barbara Allen > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:20 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > > >> Who was this Matthew Kincaid and his family? >> >> Virginia Marriage Index, 1740-1850 shows the following Murdock marriages >> in >> Monroe County: >> Polly Murdock married Mathew Kincade June 2, 1807; >> >> **************************** >> >> Francis Kincaid was in Hamilton County, Indiana in April, 1828, and >> bought >> the following items at the estate sale of Joseph Kirkendall. >> >> Francis Kincaid ~ pair of chains >> 1 cleivis >> 1 chissel >> 1 pair of horse shoes >> http://www.genealogy.com/users/n/e/u/Madonna-W-Neumann/FILE/0004text.txt >> >> An old message from Lewis Kincaid: >> >> "Looking for Elizabeth MURDOCH b.abt 1774 Augusta, Va., Elizabeth MURDOCH >> married Thomas KINCAID in May 1798 Greenbrier Co, VA, USA., Elizabeth >> MURDOCH died 15 May 1851 Van Buren, IA, USA. Elizabeth MURDOCH may or may >> not have been married twice." >> >> The 1850 Van Buren County, Iowa ( Keosauqua) census shows an Elizabeth >> Kincaid, a. 76, b. North Carolina, living with Elizabeth Frazer a. 50 ?, >> b. >> VA, Thomas Frazer >> 27 VA, Margaret Frazer 17 VA, Maria Frazer 14 IA, John Frazer 11 IA. >> >> ************************************** >> >> The only Murdoch family in Chalkley's Chronicles was a James Murdoch and >> wife Jenny Graham. >> >> Petition, 1806, by Jakob >> Graham, James Mordock and Jenny, his wife, (late Graham) ; Susanna Gra- >> ham;----- and Polly, his wife, (late Graham); William Graham; Peggy >> Graham (called Rebecca or Pecky Graham), who are heirs and children of >> Wm. Graham, deceased. >> ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/2court20.txt >> >> >> Isaac Trimble, James McLaughlin, John Mathews (of Greenbrier >> County), Francis McLaughlin, ____ McLaughlin and ____ McLaughlin, >> the three latter children and heirs of Sally McLaughlin, late Sally >> Trimble, deceased, who sue by James McLaughlin, their father and next >> friend, vs. Graham--O. S. 48; N. S. 16. Sally Trimble was daughter of >> Isaac. Rev. William Graham died intestate, leaving children and heirs. >> Jane Graham married James Murdock and lives in Pennsylvania. Polly >> Graham married Reid Bracken and lives in Pennsylvania. Susannah >> Graham married ____ Rice and live in Kentucky. William Graham. The >> other children died without heirs. >> ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/2court11.txt >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >> >> >>> Please look over the linkages for #129770 to Mathew Kincade. Anyone with >>> any >>> questions or comments either yea or nay, please post them. You are the >>> vetting committee so we need to hear your voices. >>> >>> This has a potential for being a very important result for the >>> Fayette/Greenbrier/Albemarle/Augusta Co. VA Kincaids so we need to be >>> very >>> sure that the DNA is indeed that of this Mathew. Kelly has not been able >>> to >>> find proof of Mathew's father but names, locations and time frame appear >>> to >>> connect him to Thomas/Hannah Tincher through either son Frances or son >>> Thomas. We have primary and secondary proof that Frances/Nancy Murdock >>> and >>> Thomas/Elizabeth Murdock of Indiana were sons of this couple. >>> >>> I will wait a week and again ask for input. >>> Sue Liedtke >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <lewisjo@junct.com> >>> To: <KINCAID@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 11:15 AM >>> Subject: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >>> >>> >>>> Robert Riley Kincade #129770 Participant >>>> (Testing in Progress) >>>> Researcher: Kelly Kincade-Lewis, dau of Robert R. Kincade >>>> >>>> Vetting Robert Riley Kincade to Mathew Kincade & Elizabeth Humble >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Robert Riley Kincade b. Muskogee, OK 7/13/1931 >>>> >>>> Son of: Robert Seth Kincade & Hattie Louise Lay >>>> >>>> Proven by: >>>> 1931 OK Birth Cert. for Robert Riley Kincade naming his parents >>>> as Robert Seth Kincade & Hattie Louise Lay. >>>> >>>> Personal Knowledge: Robert knew his father and was acknowledge by >>>> family as Robert Seth Kincade's son. >>>> __________________________________________________________________ >>>> Robert Seth Kincade b.Ellis Co.OK 4/29/1905 d.Springfield,MO 2/1970 >>>> >>>> Son of: John Albert Kincade and Flora A. Dilley m. 2/18/1891 >>>> >>>> Proven by: >>>> Social Security Death Index Record; stating his date of birth as >>>> 4/29/1905, stating place of birth as OK, and stating place of death >>>> as Springfield, MO Feb 1970. >>>> >>>> US Marine Corp Muster Rolls 1798-1940; Personal records ordered from >>>> the Nat'l Archives stating his date of birth as 4/29/1905, stating his >>>> birth as Arnett, Ellis Co. OK, stating parents as John A. Kincade & >>>> Flora >>>> A. Dilley. >>>> >>>> 1910 US Fed Census Records; OK, Harper, Twn of Haskell, family listed >>>> as: >>>> J.A.Kincade - head- 39 - m 2 b.MO >>>> Bulah G. Kincade - wife - (stepmom) 20 m 1 b.IA >>>> Ross Kincade - son 10 b.MO >>>> Louise Kincade - dau 7 b.MO >>>> Robert Kincade - son 5 b.OK >>>> Coda Kincade - dau 10/12 b.OK (should be Cleta) >>>> >>>> 1920 US Fed Census Records; MO, Greene, Twn of Springfield Ward >>>> 5,family >>>> as: >>>> John A. Kincaid - head 39 b.MO >>>> Beulah Kincaid - wife 30 b.IA >>>> Louise Kincaid -dau 17 b.MO >>>> Robert Kincaid - son 14 b.OK >>>> Cleda Kincaid - dau 10 b. MO >>>> Ivan Kincaid - son 7 4/12 b.OK >>>> Cora Kincaid - dau 1 4/12 b.MO >>>> >>>> Personal knowledge; Robert Seth knew his father and was accepted by >>>> family >>>> and friends as John Albert Kincade's son. >>>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>>> John Albert Kincade b.Chillicothe, Livingston Co,MO 7/18/1870 >>>> d.1/12/1960 >>>> Springfield,Greene Co., MO >>>> >>>> Son of: Mordecai Kincade & Martha Jane Bailey (Bates) >>>> >>>> Proven by: >>>> Marriage Cert. from Day Co.(now Ellis Co.) OK, dated 12/9/1907, listing >>>> his parents as Mortica Kincade and Martha J. Bates. >>>> >>>> Bias Magazine:Vol 4 -#11, dated 7/21/1953; Personal Biography (Citizen >>>> of the Week Article) of John Albert Kincade, stating his parents as >>>> Mordecai >>>> and Martha Jane Kincade of Chillicothe, MO. As reported by Jim >>>> Billings, >>>> Bias Magazine Reporter. >>>> >>>> Personal Knowledge; Robert Riley Kincade & Robert Seth Kincade knew >>>> John >>>> Albert Kincade as Robert Seth's father, and Robert Riley's grandfather. >>>> _________________________________________________________________________ >>>> Mordecai Kincade b.IN abt 1844 d.Chillicothe,MO 1872 >>>> >>>> Son of: Mathew Kincade & Elizabeth Humble >>>> >>>> Proven by: >>>> 1850 US Census, IN, Marion Co, Twn Lawrence, family as listed: >>>> Mathew Kingkale no age b.VA Male >>>> Elizabeth Kingkade 34 b.IN Female (KY?) >>>> Calvin Kingkade 9 b.IN Male >>>> Sally Kingkade 8 b.IN Female >>>> Mordeca Kingkade 5 b.IN Male >>>> Thomas Kingkade 3 b.IN Male >>>> Francis Kingkade 5/12 b.IN Male >>>> >>>> 1856 State of IA Census, Wayne Co, Twn Benton, family as listed: >>>> Mathew Kincade 48 b.VA Male >>>> Elizabeth Kincade 43 b.KY Female >>>> Calvin Kincade 16 b.IN Male >>>> Saras S Kincade 14 b.IN Female >>>> Mordica Kincade 12 b.IN Male >>>> Thomas Kincade 8 b.IN Male >>>> Frances Kincade 4 b.IN Female (should be Male) >>>> Hannah J Kincade 3 b.IN Female >>>> James Kincade 1 b.IN Male >>>> Alexander Terrel 20 b.OH Male >>>> >>>> 1860 US Census, IA, Wayne Co, Twn Benton, family as listed: >>>> Mathew Kincaid 53 Male b.VA >>>> Elizabeth Kincaid 47 Female b.KY >>>> Mordica Kincaid 16 Male b.IN >>>> Thomas Kincaid 12 Male b.IN >>>> Frances Kincaid 13 Male b.IN >>>> Hannah J Kincaid 8 Female b.IN >>>> James Kincaid 5 Male b.IN >>>> Lovina Kincaid 2 Female b.IA >>>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> I haven't found a death cert. for Mordecai Kincade, but I did find one >>>> for his brother Calvin, who is listed on the above 1850 Fed & 1856 IA >>>> State census records. His birth is listed as 7/27/1839, place of birth >>>> is listed as Indiana, date of death is 2/1/1928 (88yrs, 6mo, 5 days) in >>>> the city of Trenton, Co. of Grundy, MO. buried in N.Evans Cemetary, >>>> Trenton, Mo on Feb 2 1928. I found this info on the State of MO's >>>> Digital >>>> Heritage Web Site. It is also filed in Grundy County Mo (1928). It >>>> lists >>>> his parents as Mathew Kincade b.VA and Elizabeth Humble b.NY. Calvin is >>>> also located on the IA 1860 Fed Census in the same county-Wayne, >>>> twn-Benton and Post Office-Corydon, as the rest of his family, but >>>> listed >>>> separately, with his wife: >>>> Calvin Kincaid 20 b.IN >>>> Tlitha Kincaid 18 b.VA >>>> >>>> Also located on the MO Digital Heritage web site, is the service >>>> records >>>> for the men of the Civil War, with Mordecai & his brother Calvin >>>> listed; >>>> Secretary of State, Missouri Digital Heritage Collection; Missouri >>>> State Archives; Soliders Records: War of 1812-WW 1; Office of Adjutant >>>> General, Box 47, Reel s780: >>>> >>>> Mordecai Kincade- Rank:Private, Conflict:Civil War, Side:Union, >>>> Organization:Enrolled Missouri Militia, Company:C, Commander:Capt ?A >>>> Spickard, Enrolled:July 12,1862 Where:Chillicothe,MO Ordered into >>>> active >>>> service:July 12,1862 Relieved from duty:Apr 4,1863 *(152 days) Ordered >>>> into active service:July 20,1864, Relieved from duty:1864 (27 days), >>>> Number >>>> days actual service:179, Remarks:Prov't EMM left state, Card #611 >>>> >>>> Calvin Kincade- Rank:Private, Conflict:Civil War, Side:Union, >>>> Organization:Enrolled Missouri Militia, Company:C, Commander:Capt ?A >>>> Sprickard, Enrolled:July12,1862, Where:Chillicothe,MO, Ordered into >>>> active >>>> service:July 12,1862 Relieved from duty:Apr 4,1863 *(206 days) Ordered >>>> into active service:July 20,1864, Relieved from duty:1864 (10 days), >>>> Number >>>> days actual service:216, Remarks:Prov't EMM left state, Card #610 >>>> >>>> *I noticed that they joined the same date, served the same time, yet >>>> Mordecai was not credited with as many service days as Calvin. Both >>>> Calvin >>>> and Mordecai left the Enrolled Missouri Militia to serve with Prov't >>>> Missouri Militia for a battle out of state, then resumed their duties >>>> with >>>> the regualar Missouri Militia until 1864. >>>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>>> Mathew Kincade b.VA abt 1807/1808 d. aft 1860 >>>> >>>> Son of: Unknown >>>> I have not found any absolute proof of Mathew's father or mother. >>>> >>>> Leslie McConachie, who has been noted as an organized and reliable >>>> Kincaid >>>> researcher, has listed Mathew's father as Francis Kincade b.1770/1779 >>>> d.1830, a brother named James b.1799, and a brother named Washington >>>> b.1816 >>>> d. aft 1880. >>>> >>>> Mathew does not show up in any census records after 1860. His children >>>> for >>>> the most part, moved to northwest MO, and do show up in census records >>>> in >>>> Grundy, Caldwell and Livingston Counties. >>>> _________________________________________________________________________ >>>> Additional Resources: >>>> Book titled: "A.W. Kincade", written by James H. Thomas, American >>>> Studies, >>>> Wichita State University, 1984. The author sites the following sources: >>>> Jim Billings, "Citizen of the Week", Bias Magazine, 21 July 1953, pp >>>> 20-21; >>>> Alice Moer, ed., Our Ellis County Heritage (Shattuck, OK: Ellis Co. >>>> Historical Society, 1974), p.8 ; O.H. Richards, "Early Days in Day >>>> County", >>>> The Chronicles of Oklahoma, Autumn 1948, pp. 320-323 ; Ada Kincade >>>> Lane, >>>> interview; "Obituary", Arnett Leader, 14 Dec 1906.; Dille, The Dille >>>> Family, p 12-13. Book Topic: Mordecai's grandson, Author W. Kincade. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message