Peter, In searching I found an old post by you Subject: Kincaid estate papers inventory Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:10:12 -0300 in which you had this as one of the inventoried papers: T-LX/10/11 George Kincaid's executry (d.1820). Correspondence and legal papers, including two letters from his brother James in Georgetown, District of Columbia (1835). 1799-1840. 1 bundle. Do you have access to these 2 letters mentioned and if so do they mention his children? Thanks mighty much! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: Peter A. Kincaid ; kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 I forgot to note that thhe 1820 Federal Census for the District of Columbia, Washington, Georgetown has: James Kincaid, a. 45+, 2 males 18-26; 1 female 45+. This fits well with the Laird of Kincaid's son James who is noted as having had two sons. Hence my comment that this record 'likely' relates to the Laird's son. These people were well to do. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 This is likely James Kincaid, third son of John Kincaid of Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. He died in Georgetown, District of Columbia on 10 June 1827. The Lennox of Woodhead papers places him there in 1825. He is recorded as having two sons. There are two sources for the sons names; one is the Lennox of Woodhead papers and the other is a family chart of Heather Veronica Kincaid. The former names the sons as John and George while the latter names them as John and James. Heather states that the son died in New Orleans; James in 1828 and John on 8 May 1833. Until evidence is found support these dates I don't treat them seriously. I certainly would love to learn what happened to these two sons. Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 >From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, page 490 James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of the District of Columbia. "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for twelve years. He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." **************************** The above information was found in google books: Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton Published by , 1915 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Oct 3, 2007 314 pages http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 Barb Van Hout To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter you sure got my adrenaline going with this post! Great info on possible descendant of Laird of Kincaid. I am going to invest some time in trying to find a male descendant of this James. Does anyone have access to District of Columbia Probate Records: Will Books 1 Through 6 (1801-1852) and Estate Files (1801-1852) By Wesley E. Pippenger Published by Heritage Books, 1996 Original from the University of Virginia? It likely has James and widow wills and should list children. Also I see a James Kincaid won debate honors at Harvard in 1958 and then a James Kincaid was debate coach at Harvard in 1961 and won 1st. Do any of you know anything about this James Kincaid? Google Book Search says there is a James Kincaid mentioned in the book below and wonder if anyone has access to it? Since Peter said James was well off, James's home might be reviewed. Georgetown Residential Architecture, Northeast: Northwest Washington, District of Columbia By United States Commission of Fine Arts Published by United States Dept. of the Interior, National Park Service, Office of Archeology and Historic Preservation, 1969 Original from the University of Michigan Any ideas or help in searching for descendants of the Laird of Kincaid will be appreciated. It would be a fantastic thing for the Kincaid DNA Project to have one participate!!! Don W. Kincaid Kincaid Surname DNA Administrator Team donwkincaid@cox.net 254 631-5684 ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 Checking my notes, I see I missed a key point which, to me, links this James Kincaid of Georgetown as the third son of John Kincaid of Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. Heather Kincaid of Kincaid had in her family chart that the Laird of Kincaid's son James died in Georgetown (her chart says Georgetown, Carolina) on 10 June 1827. Aside from the Carolina reference, this fits extremely well with the notice in the The New York Evening Post, in its 13 June 1827 issue, for the death of Jas. Kincaid, age 53, at Georgetown, D.C. on Sunday 10 June 1827. For all of us keen on the DNA project, this family represents the best chance we have to get a DNA sample of the main line of the Kincaids of Kincaid which can be documented. Hence, I would love to learn what happened to his two sons and whether they left issue. Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: Peter A. Kincaid ; kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 I forgot to note that thhe 1820 Federal Census for the District of Columbia, Washington, Georgetown has: James Kincaid, a. 45+, 2 males 18-26; 1 female 45+. This fits well with the Laird of Kincaid's son James who is noted as having had two sons. Hence my comment that this record 'likely' relates to the Laird's son. These people were well to do. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 This is likely James Kincaid, third son of John Kincaid of Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. He died in Georgetown, District of Columbia on 10 June 1827. The Lennox of Woodhead papers places him there in 1825. He is recorded as having two sons. There are two sources for the sons names; one is the Lennox of Woodhead papers and the other is a family chart of Heather Veronica Kincaid. The former names the sons as John and George while the latter names them as John and James. Heather states that the son died in New Orleans; James in 1828 and John on 8 May 1833. Until evidence is found support these dates I don't treat them seriously. I certainly would love to learn what happened to these two sons. Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 >From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, page 490 James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of the District of Columbia. "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for twelve years. He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." **************************** The above information was found in google books: Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton Published by , 1915 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Oct 3, 2007 314 pages http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 Barb Van Hout To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<But I still can't pin this line on any of the other known Pennsylvania lineages.>> Remember that this is the family branch that gets tangled in the VA/PA border dispute of the 1770s and 1780s, the "lost" county of Yohogania, which comprised much of Westmoreland and Washington Co Pa., and also was once part of Augusta Co. Va. There was a John Kinkade in Yohogania County in that disputed time period. I don't think you should restrict your investigation to just Pa. lineages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry Kinkade > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:58:56 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry > Kinkade > > Your description is probably a more true description of what really > happened. They might have assumed that their ancestor was a lord if he > leased or owned land. Many in this family died young and so there is a > generational gap in the information passed from father to son. But I still > can't pin this line on any of the other known Pennsylvania lineages. I > commend these gentlemen for trying to get their own lineage correct; > though they were working at a considerable disadvantage with no > documentation prior to 1800. I think there is a clue somewhere in this > information. Or this family could be a later arrival to America. Thanks, > Peter. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:42:57 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry > Kinkade > > [Norman] The interesting point that is repeated by three people: John > Thompson Kinkade, John Henry Kinkade and Ruhamah McCarrell, that James > Kinkade’s (of Brooke County, VA) father, John Kinkade came from Ireland > and that his father Lord John Kinkade had an estate near Belfast, in > County Down and that the estate lapsed back to the crown. I’m not saying > that this is true. But I find it significant that three people in the > family repeat this story. I can credit the family history going forward > from Brooke County, VA at the death of James Kinkade in 1812. > > -- > > There were Kincaids in the Belfast area who were quite well > to do. However, there is no indication of any Kincaid there > being designated Lord. At best they would have been > Gentlemen or Esquires. The note of the lands lapsing > back to the Crown does not really fit with the laws of land > rights there at that time. A likely account of this happening > is that they went bankrupt and lands were auctioned by the > courts. Most land was actually held by lease (some for fixed > terms, some for the lives of individuals, some renewable in > perpetuity. I could also see a situation where the patriarch > became straddled in debt, assigned the lands to creditors for > a certain period (the returns of the land would go towards > paying off the debt), and left for America. The family could > have been told that the land would revert to them. Aside from > bakruptcy sale, it is possible that by the time the children > got around to looking into their interest, the original terms of the > lease had expired and the lands reverted to the original holder. > > Peter > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I forgot to note that thhe 1820 Federal Census for the District of Columbia, Washington, Georgetown has: James Kincaid, a. 45+, 2 males 18-26; 1 female 45+. This fits well with the Laird of Kincaid's son James who is noted as having had two sons. Hence my comment that this record 'likely' relates to the Laird's son. These people were well to do. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 This is likely James Kincaid, third son of John Kincaid of Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. He died in Georgetown, District of Columbia on 10 June 1827. The Lennox of Woodhead papers places him there in 1825. He is recorded as having two sons. There are two sources for the sons names; one is the Lennox of Woodhead papers and the other is a family chart of Heather Veronica Kincaid. The former names the sons as John and George while the latter names them as John and James. Heather states that the son died in New Orleans; James in 1828 and John on 8 May 1833. Until evidence is found support these dates I don't treat them seriously. I certainly would love to learn what happened to these two sons. Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 >From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, page 490 James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of the District of Columbia. "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for twelve years. He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." **************************** The above information was found in google books: Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton Published by , 1915 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Oct 3, 2007 314 pages http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 Barb Van Hout To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found some information about John Murdock of Washington, DC. One of the most prominent tobacco export businesses was Forrest, Stoddert and Murdock, which was formed in 1783 in Georgetown, by Uriah Forrest, Benjamin Stoddert, and John Murdock.[3] District of Columbia Probate Records Will Books 1 through 6 1801-1852 and Estate Files 1801-1852, Compiled by Wesley E. Pippenger, Arlington, Virginia, Family Line Publications, Copyright 1996 shows the following will: MURDOCK, JOHN, of Georgetown, D.C. 5 MAR 1816 15 JUL 1820 (footnote 2) To dau. Margaret Murdock, personal and real property; 440 acres in Shenandoah Co., Va., conveyed by deed from William Ellzey and recorded in the general court at Richmond; lot 272 in Bealls's Addition to Georgetown, purchased of Francis Dodge. (In italics) As there may be some question who I mean by my daughter Margaret, I hereby declare that I mean my Child who was born by my late Wife, formerly Ann Corby, on the fourth day of July 1805, and I do hereby acknowledge and declare her to be my daughter (end italics) Wits.: Joseph Jackson; Lemuel Shaw; Richd. R. Waters Book 3, pp 57-58 (68-69); O.S. 827; Box 6 Footnote 2: National Intelligencer, 20 JUN 1820, died 18 JUN in Georgetown After George Washington was elected President, he asked[Benjamin] Stoddert to purchase key parcels of land in the area that would become the nation's capital, before the formal decision to establish the federal city on the banks of the Potomac drove up prices there. Stoddert then transferred the parcels to the government. During the 1790s, he also helped found the Bank of Columbia to handle purchases of land in the District of Columbia for the federal government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Stoddert Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 > This is likely James Kincaid, third son of John Kincaid of > Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. He died in Georgetown, > District of Columbia on 10 June 1827. The Lennox of > Woodhead papers places him there in 1825. He is recorded > as having two sons. There are two sources for the sons names; > one is the Lennox of Woodhead papers and the other is a family > chart of Heather Veronica Kincaid. The former names the sons > as John and George while the latter names them as John and > James. Heather states that the son died in New Orleans; James > in 1828 and John on 8 May 1833. Until evidence is found support > these dates I don't treat them seriously. I certainly would love > to learn what happened to these two sons. > > Best wishes! > > Peter A. Kincaid > Fredericton, NB, Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Van Hout > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:56 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 > > > >From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, > page 490 > > James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of > Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of > the District of Columbia. > > "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for > keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire > protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the > "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to > settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor > Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to > Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, > where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for > twelve years. > > He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was > proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were > James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, > who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." > **************************** > > The above information was found in google books: > > Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit > By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton > Published by , 1915 > Original from the University of Michigan > Digitized Oct 3, 2007 > 314 pages > > > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 > > > > Barb Van Hout > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is likely James Kincaid, third son of John Kincaid of Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. He died in Georgetown, District of Columbia on 10 June 1827. The Lennox of Woodhead papers places him there in 1825. He is recorded as having two sons. There are two sources for the sons names; one is the Lennox of Woodhead papers and the other is a family chart of Heather Veronica Kincaid. The former names the sons as John and George while the latter names them as John and James. Heather states that the son died in New Orleans; James in 1828 and John on 8 May 1833. Until evidence is found support these dates I don't treat them seriously. I certainly would love to learn what happened to these two sons. Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 >From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, page 490 James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of the District of Columbia. "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for twelve years. He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." **************************** The above information was found in google books: Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton Published by , 1915 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Oct 3, 2007 314 pages http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 Barb Van Hout

I did some research on the "John Francis Hamtramck" and found that he was from Canada and he can also be googled under the name "Jean Francois Hamtramck." >From Wikipedia: "Jean François Hamtramck (sometimes called John Francis Hamtramck) (1756 - 1803) was a French-Canadian from Quebec who joined the Continental Army and became a decorated officer in the American Revolutionary War. After the war he continued in the service and, in 1787, he was made commander of Vincennes in the Illinois Country, where he negotiated a peace treaty with local Native American tribes. In Autumn of 1790, Major Hamtramck was ordered to move against Indian villages on the Wabash, Vermilion, and Eel Rivers to create a distraction from the campaign led by General Josiah Harmar. The Hamtramck expedition was comprised of his own garrison, with militia from the local French residents and Kentucky. They found only one empty village, and lacked the supplies to reach more villages with the full force. Hamtramck returned to Vincennes, learning later that a force of 600 warriors from the Wabash tribes had assembled to fight- nearly double his own force. Hamtramck considered the Wabash force evidence that his primary mission had been accomplished.[1] In 1793, Hamtramck was named lieutenant colonel in the Legion of the United States led by General Anthony Wayne to secure the Northwest Territory. Hamtramck was cited for bravery at the Battle of Fallen Timbers in 1794. Hamtramck, now a full colonel, took possession of the British Fort Lernoult and the settlement of Detroit for the United States on July 11, 1796. Fort Lernoult was later renamed Fort Shelby. He remained in Detroit until his death in 1803, living in a house on land that is now Gabriel Richard Park near the present bridge to Belle Isle. He was buried at Saint Anne de Detroit Catholic Church, his body being moved in 1817 to the new Saint Anne's, then, in 1866, to Mount Elliot Cemetery. In 1827, one of the four townships in Wayne County was named for him, a portion of which later became the city of Hamtramck, Michigan." http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Jean_François_Hamtramck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 > This is likely James Kincaid, third son of John Kincaid of > Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. He died in Georgetown, > District of Columbia on 10 June 1827. The Lennox of > Woodhead papers places him there in 1825. He is recorded > as having two sons. There are two sources for the sons names; > one is the Lennox of Woodhead papers and the other is a family > chart of Heather Veronica Kincaid. The former names the sons > as John and George while the latter names them as John and > James. Heather states that the son died in New Orleans; James > in 1828 and John on 8 May 1833. Until evidence is found support > these dates I don't treat them seriously. I certainly would love > to learn what happened to these two sons. > > Best wishes! > > Peter A. Kincaid > Fredericton, NB, Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Van Hout > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:56 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 > > > >From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, > page 490 > > James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of > Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of > the District of Columbia. > > "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for > keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire > protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the > "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to > settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor > Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to > Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, > where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for > twelve years. > > He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was > proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were > James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, > who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." > **************************** > > The above information was found in google books: > > Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit > By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton > Published by , 1915 > Original from the University of Michigan > Digitized Oct 3, 2007 > 314 pages > > > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 > > > > Barb Van Hout > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I haven't excluded that John in my investigation.  I just have not been able to find a clear connection to him. I have a notion that James Kinkead of Brooke County, VA is connected to the John Kinkade of Yohogania County, later of Washington County, and Allegheny County, PA, died 1833, and who I believe is the brother of Samuel Kinkead who died in 1779.  The above John Kinkead had at least two daughters: Elizabeth (Kinkead) Duncan, born 1780, and Hannah (Kinkead) Torrence, born 1782.  So did the father of James Kinkead of Brooke County, VA: Hannah married Daniel Johnson and Elizabeth married David Davis according to the record provided by John Henry Kinkade and John Thompson Kinkade.  These families are in proximity in Washington County and Allegheny County, PA.  But there is no clear connection. Norm Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Dennis House <dhouse95@earthlink.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:08:07 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fw: A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry Kinkade <<But I still can't pin this line on any of the other known Pennsylvania lineages.>> Remember that this is the family branch that gets tangled in the VA/PA border dispute of the 1770s and 1780s, the "lost" county of Yohogania, which comprised much of Westmoreland and Washington Co Pa., and also was once part of Augusta Co. Va. There was a John Kinkade in Yohogania County in that disputed time period. I don't think you should restrict your investigation to just Pa. lineages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry Kinkade > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:58:56 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry > Kinkade > > Your description is probably a more true description of what really > happened. They might have assumed that their ancestor was a lord if he > leased or owned land. Many in this family died young and so there is a > generational gap in the information passed from father to son. But I still > can't pin this line on any of the other known Pennsylvania lineages. I > commend these gentlemen for trying to get their own lineage correct; > though they were working at a considerable disadvantage with no > documentation prior to 1800. I think there is a clue somewhere in this > information. Or this family could be a later arrival to America. Thanks, > Peter. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:42:57 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry > Kinkade > > [Norman] The interesting point that is repeated by three people: John > Thompson Kinkade, John Henry Kinkade and Ruhamah McCarrell, that James > Kinkade’s (of Brooke County, VA) father, John Kinkade came from Ireland > and that his father Lord John Kinkade had an estate near Belfast, in > County Down and that the estate lapsed back to the crown. I’m not saying > that this is true. But I find it significant that three people in the > family repeat this story. I can credit the family history going forward > from Brooke County, VA at the death of James Kinkade in 1812. > > -- > > There were Kincaids in the Belfast area who were quite well > to do. However, there is no indication of any Kincaid there > being designated Lord. At best they would have been > Gentlemen or Esquires. The note of the lands lapsing > back to the Crown does not really fit with the laws of land > rights there at that time. A likely account of this happening > is that they went bankrupt and lands were auctioned by the > courts. Most land was actually held by lease (some for fixed > terms, some for the lives of individuals, some renewable in > perpetuity. I could also see a situation where the patriarch > became straddled in debt, assigned the lands to creditors for > a certain period (the returns of the land would go towards > paying off the debt), and left for America. The family could > have been told that the land would revert to them. Aside from > bakruptcy sale, it is possible that by the time the children > got around to looking into their interest, the original terms of the > lease had expired and the lands reverted to the original holder. > > Peter > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[Norman] The interesting point that is repeated by three people: John Thompson Kinkade, John Henry Kinkade and Ruhamah McCarrell, that James Kinkade’s (of Brooke County, VA) father, John Kinkade came from Ireland and that his father Lord John Kinkade had an estate near Belfast, in County Down and that the estate lapsed back to the crown. I’m not saying that this is true. But I find it significant that three people in the family repeat this story. I can credit the family history going forward from Brooke County, VA at the death of James Kinkade in 1812. -- There were Kincaids in the Belfast area who were quite well to do. However, there is no indication of any Kincaid there being designated Lord. At best they would have been Gentlemen or Esquires. The note of the lands lapsing back to the Crown does not really fit with the laws of land rights there at that time. A likely account of this happening is that they went bankrupt and lands were auctioned by the courts. Most land was actually held by lease (some for fixed terms, some for the lives of individuals, some renewable in perpetuity. I could also see a situation where the patriarch became straddled in debt, assigned the lands to creditors for a certain period (the returns of the land would go towards paying off the debt), and left for America. The family could have been told that the land would revert to them. Aside from bakruptcy sale, it is possible that by the time the children got around to looking into their interest, the original terms of the lease had expired and the lands reverted to the original holder. Peter

Peter, You are right in cautioning folks not to be too quick to believe, although it is interesting to have people in different lines say the same thing about their ancestor. My daughter-in-law is descended from one Jehiel Stewart in NY who fought in the American Revolution. His wife was Rachel Williams. The entire family of many lines all over the place stated that she was a descendant of Roger Williams of Rhode Island fame. It's even in the DAR records from the 1920's when they weren't so picky about documentation. And there is a DAR marker by her grave stating that she is descended from Roger Williams from Rhode Island. To make a long story short, half that family won't believe me, but I have proven she is not descended from Roger Williams. Her immigrant ancestor was a Charles Williams from Wales. Since Roger Williams was also from Wales, it is possible that Rachel said that she is related to Roger Williams which later was interpreted to mean "descended from" Roger. Roger Williams and Charles Williams could very well have been related by being cousins or something. There was even a book published by a Roger Williams researcher on the first five U.S. generations which included Rachel as a descendent. I have been in touch with the Roger Williams Family Association in Rhode Island and they agree with me that Rachel was not a descendent of Roger - the myth keeps getting perpetuated though. Anyone with half a brain could have analyzed the dates and known something was wrong. <grin> Ruth In a message dated 9/20/2008 12:51:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca writes: [Norman] The interesting point that is repeated by three people: John Thompson Kinkade, John Henry Kinkade and Ruhamah McCarrell, that James Kinkade’s (of Brooke County, VA) father, John Kinkade came from Ireland and that his father Lord John Kinkade had an estate near Belfast, in County Down and that the estate lapsed back to the crown. I’m not saying that this is true. But I find it significant that three people in the family repeat this story. I can credit the family history going forward from Brooke County, VA at the death of James Kinkade in 1812. -- There were Kincaids in the Belfast area who were quite well to do. However, there is no indication of any Kincaid there being designated Lord. At best they would have been Gentlemen or Esquires. The note of the lands lapsing back to the Crown does not really fit with the laws of land rights there at that time. A likely account of this happening is that they went bankrupt and lands were auctioned by the courts. Most land was actually held by lease (some for fixed terms, some for the lives of individuals, some renewable in perpetuity. I could also see a situation where the patriarch became straddled in debt, assigned the lands to creditors for a certain period (the returns of the land would go towards paying off the debt), and left for America. The family could have been told that the land would revert to them. Aside from bakruptcy sale, it is possible that by the time the children got around to looking into their interest, the original terms of the lease had expired and the lands reverted to the original holder. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@roo tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:58:56 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry Kinkade Your description is probably a more true description of what really happened.  They might have assumed that their ancestor was a lord if he leased or owned land.  Many in this family died young and so there is a generational gap in the information passed from father to son.  But I still can't pin this line on any of the other known Pennsylvania lineages.  I commend these gentlemen for trying to get their own lineage correct; though they were working at a considerable disadvantage with no documentation prior to 1800.  I think there is a clue somewhere in this information.  Or this family could be a later arrival to America.  Thanks, Peter. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:42:57 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry Kinkade [Norman] The interesting point that is repeated by three people: John Thompson Kinkade, John Henry Kinkade and Ruhamah McCarrell, that James Kinkade’s (of Brooke County, VA) father, John Kinkade came from Ireland and that his father Lord John Kinkade had an estate near Belfast, in County Down and that the estate lapsed back to the crown. I’m not saying that this is true. But I find it significant that three people in the family repeat this story. I can credit the family history going forward from Brooke County, VA at the death of James Kinkade in 1812. -- There were Kincaids in the Belfast area who were quite well to do.  However, there is no indication of any Kincaid there being designated Lord.  At best they would have been Gentlemen or Esquires.  The note of the lands lapsing back to the Crown does not really fit with the laws of land rights there at that time.  A likely account of this happening is that they went bankrupt and lands were auctioned by the courts.  Most land was actually held by lease (some for fixed terms, some for the lives of individuals, some renewable in perpetuity.  I could also see a situation where the patriarch became straddled in debt, assigned the lands to creditors for a certain period (the returns of the land would go towards paying off the debt), and left for America.  The family could have been told that the land would revert to them.  Aside from bakruptcy sale, it is possible that by the time the children got around to looking into their interest, the original terms of the lease had expired and the lands reverted to the original holder. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1729 Robert Kincaid [000005] born in Pennsylvania perhaps to James Kinkead [00016] & wife, of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA later resided in Marsh Creek Settlement, York County, PA, died April 29, 1806, age 77 or 79 years. Daughter, Margaret (Kincaid) Scott, in the 1880 census stated father was born in PA. York County Historical Trust Library, Kinkead file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1773 Samuel Kincaid [000005] born to Robert Kincaid [000005] & wife, Susan Powell on April 4, 1773 in York County, PA.  York County Historical Trust Library, Kinkead file, Robert Kincaid Bible record, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1775 Eleanor Kincaid [000005] born to Robert Kincaid [000005] & his wife, Susan in York County, PA on September 12, 1775.  York County Historical Trust Library, Kinkead file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1777 Robert Kincaid [000005] born to Robert Kinkead [000005] & his wife, Susan on March 29,1777 in York County, PA.  York County Historical Trust Library, Kinkead file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1779 William Kincaid [000005] born to Robert Kincaid [000005] & wife, Susan, January 21, 1779 in York County, PA.  York County Historical Trust Library, Kinkead file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1780 Robert Kincaid [000005] taxed in Hamilton’s Bann Township, York County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow, tax 1.6.11.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 281. 1780 James Kincaid [000005] born to Robert Kincaid [000005] & wife Susannah Powell on Feb. 1, 1780. York County  Historical Trust Library, Kinkead file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1781 Robert Kincaid [000005] taxed in Hamilton’s Bann Township, York County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow, tax 6.8.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p.. 384. 1781 John Kincaid [000005] born to Robert Kincaid [000005] & wife, Susan on January 30, 1781 in York County, PA. York  County Historical Trust Library, Kinkead file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1783 Robert Kinkaid [000005] taxed in Hamilton’s Bann Township, York County, PA for 7 inhabitants.  Pennsylvania Archives,  s. 3, v. 21, p. 734. 1790 Robert Kinkaid, [000005] Berwick, Cumberland, Franklin, Germany, Hamiltonban, Heidelberg, Mount Pleasant, Mountjoy, & Straban Townships, York County, PA, 2 males over 16, 3 males under 16, 3 females.  USFC, p. 291. 1790 Margaret Kincaid [000005] born to Robert Kincaid [000005] & his wife, Susan on April 22, 1790 in York. County, PA. York County Historical Trust Library, Kinkead file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1800 Samuel Kincade, [000005] Greene Township, Greene County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 female 16-26. USFC, microfilm M32-40, p. 43, line 10. 1801 Sarah Kincaid [000005] born on Dec.. 9, 1801, parents unknown, place unknown, but could be Greene County, PA. York County Historical Trust Library, Kincaid file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1802 William Kinkaid [000005] taxed in Hamilton Ban Township, Adams County, PA as a single man at no tax.  Adams County Tax Roll 7, Pennsylvania State Archives. 1802 Robert Kincaid [000005] born on Oct. 28, 1802, parents unknown, place unknown, but could be Greene County, PA. York County  Historical Trust Library, Kincaid file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1806 Robert Kincaid [000005] of Marsh Creek Settlement, Hamilton's Bann Township, York County, PA died April 29, 1806, aged 77 or 79. York County Historical  Trust Library, Kinkead file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1810 Robert Kincade, [000005] Jefferson Township, Greene County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 female  under 10, 1 female 16-25, 1 female over 45.  USFC, p. 048. 1810 Samuel Kincade, [000005], Franklin Township, Greene County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 2 males under 10, 1 female 10-16, 1 female 26-45.  USFC, p. 022. 1810 William Kincade, [000005] Jefferson Township, Greene County, PA, 2 1 male 26-45, males 16-25, 3 females under 10, 1 female 26-45.  USFC, p. 048. 1815 Robert Kincaid  [000005] born March 29, 1777 in Hamiltons Bann Township, York County, PA, died March 17, 1815, age 37 years,  11 months, Presbyterian Church Cemetery, Jefferson, Greene County, PA. 1815 Robert Kincaid, [000005] will, Greene County, PA Will Book Vol. 1, p. 147. 1817 Robert L. Kincaid [000005] born to Samuel Kincaid [000005] & wife Nancy near Chambersburg, Cumberland County, PA on Dec. 16,  1817.  Courtesy of Mary Hart. 1820 William Kincaid, [000005] Esq., Jefferson Township, Greene County, PA, 1 male over 26-45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males under 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 3 females 10-16, 3 females under 10,  USFC. 1820 Samuel Kincade, [000005] Jackson Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, Index, p. 407. 1828 William R. Kinkead [000005] born to Samuel Kinkead [000005] & wife Nancy in Huntingdon County, PA on May 11, 1828. Courtesy of Mary Hart. 1830 Samuel Kincade, [000005] Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 111. 1843 William Kincaid, [000005] born January 21, 1779, son of Robert Kincaid [000005] & wife Susannah Powell, died April 19, 1843  in Greene County, PA.  York County Historical Trust Library, Kinkead file, Robert Kincaid Bible record. 1843 William Kincaid, [000005] will, Greene County, PA Will Book Vol. 2, p. 176. 1843 William Kincaid’s [000005] estate registered on April 22, 1843, citation by Martha Kincaid,  widow of William Kincaid, 2 sons: James  Kincaid (died Feb. 19, 1851) and William Kincaid. Washington County Court House, Washington, PA, Will Book, Vol. 6, p. 93, Chester    County  Historical Society, West Chester, PA, Kincaid file. It is largely circumstantial, but Samuel Kincaid below matches the year of birth above. Monroe County 1850 Samuel Kincaid, [000005] age 77, born PA, son of Robert Kincaid & Susan Powell, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.  USFC, p. 224. 1850 Nancy Kincaid, age 62, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 James Kincaid, [000005] age 21, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 Joseph Kincaid, [000005] age 24, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 26. 1850 Sarah Kincaid, age 24, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 26. 1850 Leander Kincaid, [000005] age 2, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 26. 1850 John Kincaid, [000005] age 2 1/2, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p.26. 1850 Robert Kincaid, [000005] age 32, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 146. 1850 Eunice Kincaid, age 19, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p.146. 1850 John Kincaid, [000005] age 1, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 146. 1850 William Kincade, [000005] age 29, born PA, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Mary Kincade, age 24, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Sarah L. Kincade, [000005] age 2, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Charles Kincade, [000005] age 3 months, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 10:08:41 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census Thanks Norman. I wonder if the connection to Samuel/Nancy then to Robert/Susan can be substantiated with primary evidence. Do we have DNA that might be from this line? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census Sue, I think the Joseph Kincaid in Caldwell Township, Appanoose, Iowa is the Joseph Kincaid below. Sincerely Norman Kincaide 1826 Joseph Kincaid, [000005] born to Samuel Kincaid [000005] & wife, Nancy, in Pennsylvania on May 30, 1826. Courtesy of Mary Hart.. Monroe County 1850 Samuel Kincaid, [000005] age 77, born PA, son of Robert Kincaid & Susan Powell, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 Nancy Kincaid, age 62, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 James Kincaid, [000005] age 21, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 Joseph Kincaid, [000005] age 24, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 26. 1850 Sarah Kincaid, age 24, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 26. 1850 Leander Kincaid, [000005] age 2, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 26. 1850 John Kincaid, [000005] age 2 1/2, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p.26. 1850 Robert Kincaid, [000005] age 32, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 146. 1850 Eunice Kincaid, age 19, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p.146. 1850 John Kincaid, [000005] age 1, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 146. 1850 William Kincade, [000005] age 29, born PA, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH... USFC, p. 29. 1850 Mary Kincade, age 24, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Sarah L. Kincade, [000005] age 2, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Charles Kincade, [000005] age 3 months, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:26:31 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census It is very interesting to note that Joseph was born 1826 in PA. Since Appanoose Co. is very near to Wayne, Van Buren and Wapello Cos. it looks like there was a draw here for several Kincaid lines. Mathew in Wayne Co. was b 1807/8 in VA. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: <Utahn1@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb..com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census > Mary, I found it. > > Caldwell Township, Appanoose, Iowa, Pg. 17 (369) > > Kincade, Joseph, 44, m,w, Farmer (word I cannot read), Pers. Estate $400, > b. > Penn, 1 male citizen over 21 > Sarah J., 44, f, w, keeps house, b. Ohio > Francis J., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio > Florence L., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio > Margaret, 10, f, w, at home, b. Ohio > Rebecca C, 8, f, w, at home, b. Ohio > Charles W., 8 m, w, at home, b. Ohio > McLydia, 6, f, w, born Indiana > > All the children attended school, and there is a mark saying Margaret > cannot > write. > > Because there was no indication that Joseph had personal property, I went > back a page. The landowner appears to be: > > Johnson, William, 34, m, w, farmer, R.E.$1400, Personal Estate $916, b.. > Penn., 1 male citizen over 21 > Louisa, 26, f, w, keeps house, Ohio > Alice, 10, f, w, at home, b. Iowa > Warren, 8, m, w, at home, b. Iowa > Emma, 6, f, w, at home, b. Iowa > Lunetta, 3, f, w, b. Iowa > Edward, 11/12, b. Iowa in May > Lenark, Mary, 17, f, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $480, b. Indiana > Lenark, Francis, 19, m, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $275, b. Indiana > > Ruth Cherecwich > > > > In a message dated 9/19/2008 10:35:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mfhart@grm.net writes: > Could someone please check the 1870 census of Appanoose County, Iowa for > Joseph Kinkade and/or other Kinkades (any spelling). I thought I could > find > the census on the Internet but no luck so far. > > Thanks for the help, > Mary Hart > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid > %20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Unfortunately, no.  The primary evidence is the bible record of Robert Kincaid & Susannah Powell and the tax lists for Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA.  I just got back from the store and need some lunch.  Then I will repost the bible record. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 10:08:41 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census Thanks Norman. I wonder if the connection to Samuel/Nancy then to Robert/Susan can be substantiated with primary evidence. Do we have DNA that might be from this line? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb..com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census Sue, I think the Joseph Kincaid in Caldwell Township, Appanoose, Iowa is the Joseph Kincaid below. Sincerely Norman Kincaide 1826 Joseph Kincaid, [000005] born to Samuel Kincaid [000005] & wife, Nancy, in Pennsylvania on May 30, 1826. Courtesy of Mary Hart. Monroe County 1850 Samuel Kincaid, [000005] age 77, born PA, son of Robert Kincaid & Susan Powell, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 Nancy Kincaid, age 62, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 James Kincaid, [000005] age 21, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 Joseph Kincaid, [000005] age 24, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 26. 1850 Sarah Kincaid, age 24, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 26. 1850 Leander Kincaid, [000005] age 2, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 26. 1850 John Kincaid, [000005] age 2 1/2, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p.26. 1850 Robert Kincaid, [000005] age 32, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 146. 1850 Eunice Kincaid, age 19, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p.146. 1850 John Kincaid, [000005] age 1, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 146. 1850 William Kincade, [000005] age 29, born PA, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Mary Kincade, age 24, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Sarah L.. Kincade, [000005] age 2, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH... USFC, p. 29. 1850 Charles Kincade, [000005] age 3 months, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:26:31 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census It is very interesting to note that Joseph was born 1826 in PA. Since Appanoose Co. is very near to Wayne, Van Buren and Wapello Cos. it looks like there was a draw here for several Kincaid lines. Mathew in Wayne Co. was b 1807/8 in VA. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: <Utahn1@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census > Mary, I found it. > > Caldwell Township, Appanoose, Iowa, Pg. 17 (369) > > Kincade, Joseph, 44, m,w, Farmer (word I cannot read), Pers.. Estate $400, > b. > Penn, 1 male citizen over 21 > Sarah J., 44, f, w, keeps house, b. Ohio > Francis J., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio > Florence L., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio > Margaret, 10, f, w, at home, b. Ohio > Rebecca C, 8, f, w, at home, b. Ohio > Charles W., 8 m, w, at home, b. Ohio > McLydia, 6, f, w, born Indiana > > All the children attended school, and there is a mark saying Margaret > cannot > write. > > Because there was no indication that Joseph had personal property, I went > back a page. The landowner appears to be: > > Johnson, William, 34, m, w, farmer, R.E.$1400, Personal Estate $916, b.. > Penn., 1 male citizen over 21 > Louisa, 26, f, w, keeps house, Ohio > Alice, 10, f, w, at home, b. Iowa > Warren, 8, m, w, at home, b. Iowa > Emma, 6, f, w, at home, b. Iowa > Lunetta, 3, f, w, b. Iowa > Edward, 11/12, b. Iowa in May > Lenark, Mary, 17, f, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $480, b. Indiana > Lenark, Francis, 19, m, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $275, b. Indiana > > Ruth Cherecwich > > > > In a message dated 9/19/2008 10:35:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mfhart@grm.net writes: > Could someone please check the 1870 census of Appanoose County, Iowa for > Joseph Kinkade and/or other Kinkades (any spelling). I thought I could > find > the census on the Internet but no luck so far. > > Thanks for the help, > Mary Hart > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid > %20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop..com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy..rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Norman. I wonder if the connection to Samuel/Nancy then to Robert/Susan can be substantiated with primary evidence. Do we have DNA that might be from this line? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census Sue, I think the Joseph Kincaid in Caldwell Township, Appanoose, Iowa is the Joseph Kincaid below. Sincerely Norman Kincaide 1826 Joseph Kincaid, [000005] born to Samuel Kincaid [000005] & wife, Nancy, in Pennsylvania on May 30, 1826. Courtesy of Mary Hart. Monroe County 1850 Samuel Kincaid, [000005] age 77, born PA, son of Robert Kincaid & Susan Powell, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 Nancy Kincaid, age 62, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 James Kincaid, [000005] age 21, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 Joseph Kincaid, [000005] age 24, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 26. 1850 Sarah Kincaid, age 24, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 26. 1850 Leander Kincaid, [000005] age 2, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 26. 1850 John Kincaid, [000005] age 2 1/2, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p.26. 1850 Robert Kincaid, [000005] age 32, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 146. 1850 Eunice Kincaid, age 19, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p.146. 1850 John Kincaid, [000005] age 1, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 146. 1850 William Kincade, [000005] age 29, born PA, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Mary Kincade, age 24, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Sarah L. Kincade, [000005] age 2, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Charles Kincade, [000005] age 3 months, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:26:31 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census It is very interesting to note that Joseph was born 1826 in PA. Since Appanoose Co. is very near to Wayne, Van Buren and Wapello Cos. it looks like there was a draw here for several Kincaid lines. Mathew in Wayne Co. was b 1807/8 in VA. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: <Utahn1@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census > Mary, I found it. > > Caldwell Township, Appanoose, Iowa, Pg. 17 (369) > > Kincade, Joseph, 44, m,w, Farmer (word I cannot read), Pers. Estate $400, > b. > Penn, 1 male citizen over 21 > Sarah J., 44, f, w, keeps house, b. Ohio > Francis J., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio > Florence L., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio > Margaret, 10, f, w, at home, b. Ohio > Rebecca C, 8, f, w, at home, b. Ohio > Charles W., 8 m, w, at home, b. Ohio > McLydia, 6, f, w, born Indiana > > All the children attended school, and there is a mark saying Margaret > cannot > write. > > Because there was no indication that Joseph had personal property, I went > back a page. The landowner appears to be: > > Johnson, William, 34, m, w, farmer, R.E.$1400, Personal Estate $916, b.. > Penn., 1 male citizen over 21 > Louisa, 26, f, w, keeps house, Ohio > Alice, 10, f, w, at home, b. Iowa > Warren, 8, m, w, at home, b. Iowa > Emma, 6, f, w, at home, b. Iowa > Lunetta, 3, f, w, b. Iowa > Edward, 11/12, b. Iowa in May > Lenark, Mary, 17, f, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $480, b. Indiana > Lenark, Francis, 19, m, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $275, b. Indiana > > Ruth Cherecwich > > > > In a message dated 9/19/2008 10:35:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mfhart@grm.net writes: > Could someone please check the 1870 census of Appanoose County, Iowa for > Joseph Kinkade and/or other Kinkades (any spelling). I thought I could > find > the census on the Internet but no luck so far. > > Thanks for the help, > Mary Hart > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid > %20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message

Peter, it was thought that by encouraging a trip to the archives new members could discover what the disproven lineages are before they post to the list. Perhaps a more strongly worded advisement and caution to do so might be of help. For instance: "There are several widely circulated lineages that have been disproven so it is advisable to check the list archives for past dialogues which may have a bearing on your line before making your first post to the list." It is with posts by new members that we can expand our knowledge of known Kincaid lines and pick up lines previously unknown. Their posts benefit us all. It is important for them to know that their input is appreciated and list members will do all they can to help them find connections. This is one of the more active, caring and helpful lists at Rootsweb but sometimes, because we do care, we can come off a bit blunt. Sue Liedtke > > I wanted to respond to this post with more of a suggestion. > Some of these sensitive topics come around again over > a period of time. I think that it would be useful to have some > of them addressed in a message send to all new subscribers > (ie. a Kincaid-L FAQ). Food for thought! > > Peter > > > > List members are always eager to help with any Kincaid line, but our > Scottish tendency is to sometimes be overly blunt and untactful in > response to a > post. Please do not take these comments personally as no offense will be > meant > by the person doing the posting. It's just that sometimes we react > emotionally > and don't proof read, or stop to think about, what we write. > Occasionally, a > line we believe is correct is actually one which was fabricated decades > ago > and has been disproved by the list members. This is due to documentation > being more readily available to us via the internet and our List Members > going on > site specific research trips. > > You are also encouraged to check the List Archives for past dialogues > which > might have a bearing on your line. Go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?path=KINCAID . At > this page you can type in whatever search > item you wish. By searching in the Body of the messages, you may get > your > search term revealed in postings in which the poster did not have the > appropriate subject heading. Be creative in your searches with full > names, just the man > or just the wife, husband/wife, etc. >

The below John Henry Kinkade is not the John Henry Kinkade, Governor of Nevada. John Henry Kinkade Marysville, Union County, OH. (son of James Kinkade & Hannah Cassil, son of John Kinkade & Isabella Adams, son of James Kinkade & Nancy Taylor) to John Thompson Kinkade of Auburn, Placer County, CA, Nov. 16, 1901. 1750 John Kinkade brought his wife and two children to America.  He was from Belfast and his wife, Jane, from County Down.  He settled in Philadelphia.  When quite old moved to Brooke County, VA, near Holiday’s Cove.  John Kinkade had 13 children of whom the following lived to adulthood: James, John, Nancy, Elizabeth, Margaret, Hannah (need the rest).  He settled and left descendants in Kentucky.  He moved to Fleminger, Mason County, Kentucky and settled on Cabin Creek.  He then went to Illinois where he and his wife died.  Hannah married Daniel Johnson. Elizabeth Kinkade married David Davis. James Kinkade the eldest son of John Kinkade may have been born in Ireland or Pennsylvania about 1761.  He married Nancy Taylor.  The first three children were born near Philadelphia: Ruhamah (Kinkade) McCarrell lived in Eldersville, Jefferson Township, Washington County, PA, cousin to James Kinkade father of John Henry Kinkade.  She stated that the first Kinkade was designated as Lord Kinkade.  He lived in a castle in the north of Ireland.  He had an only son (John Kinkade) who came to Philadelphia about 1750, his son James was arranging to go back to Ireland to claim the estate and title, but he took sick and died (1812)  Holiday’s Cove, Virginia (WV).  His grandson, John Milton Kinkade afterwards did go to Scotland and made inquiries of gentlemen from the north of Ireland.  The estate and title had lapsed back to the crown. John Thompson Kinkade of Auburn, Placer County, CA (born January 25, 1826)(son of John Kinkade & Isabella Adams, both died of typhoid fever in 1826, son of James Kinkade & Nancy Taylor) wrote to John Henry Kinkade (son of James Kinkade & Hannah Cassil, son of John Kinkade & Isabella Adams, son of James Kinkade & Nancy Taylor) of Marysville, Union County , OH on Dec. 6, 1901. First, the Kentucky Kinkades were not in our line of genealogy. They came from Scotland direct. Second, Ruhamah McCarrell’s account of the death of Lord John Kinkade whose estate was near Belfast, in County Down, Ireland is correct.  The estate had been pending in Chancery for about 30 years.  At the close of the Revolutionary War your great grandfather Kinkade returned to Belfast to revive proceedings in Chancery but found it had lapsed to the crown.  He returned home and employed a distinguished lawyer Jeremiah Black of Pittsburgh.  Black went to Ireland to revive the proceedings in Chancery if possible.  Failing in that move, the estate matter ended. Third, the senior Kinkade, originally settled in Pennsylvania, near the city of Carlisle where he and his wife are buried. Fourth, the remains of your great grandfather, James Kinkade were buried in the Cross Creek Cemetery.  The David Kinkade who witnessed the deed was a nephew of your grandfather John Kinkade.  He married a Miss Thompson of Carlisle, Pennsylvania. Further comments by John Henry Kinkade First, the Kinkades referred to in this letter are the Lexington, Kentucky Kinkades and is probably correct as to this branch.  Our branch of the family settled near Maysville, Mason County, KY. Second, it is doubtful that great grandfather Kinkade went to Belfast to revive proceedings in Chancery, but probably true as to his employing attorneys. Third, the burial place of the Senior Kinkade and wife is probably correct. Fourth, the tombstones in Cross Creek cemetery have been replaced and are in good condition. These two letters are interesting.  Ben Dixon based his material on information discussed by John Thompson Kinkade and John Henry Kinkade.  Their discussion takes place 30 years before Ben Dixon compiled his work.  I have to say that I have great respect for Ben Dixon’s work.  He did not extrapolate beyond his data and raised questions where he did not have information.  The interesting point that is repeated by three people: John Thompson Kinkade, John Henry Kinkade and Ruhamah McCarrell, that James Kinkade’s (of Brooke County, VA) father, John Kinkade came from Ireland and that his father Lord John Kinkade had an estate near Belfast, in County Down and that the estate lapsed back to the crown.  I’m not saying that this is true.  But I find it significant that three people in the family repeat this story.  I can credit the family history going forward from Brooke County, VA at the death of James Kinkade in 1812.  But I still can’t connect this family to a known Pennsylvania Kinkead lineage.  John Thompson Kinkade and John Henry Kinkade never reference any property in Washington or Westmoreland County, PA.  They never reference any property near Philadelphia.  So the trail before 1800 is very vague.  But this notion of Lord John Kinkade’s estate in County Down could have some validity, but I am skeptical.  They also reference Carlisle, PA as the place for John Kinkade's burial, supposed father of James Kinkade who died in Brooke County, VA in 1812.  John Kinkead the Merchant is buried near Carlisle, so he cannot be the father of this line. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

Sue, I think the Joseph Kincaid in Caldwell Township, Appanoose, Iowa is the Joseph Kincaid below. Sincerely Norman Kincaide 1826 Joseph Kincaid, [000005] born to Samuel Kincaid [000005] & wife, Nancy, in Pennsylvania on May 30, 1826.  Courtesy of Mary Hart. Monroe County 1850 Samuel Kincaid, [000005] age 77, born PA, son of Robert Kincaid & Susan Powell, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.  USFC, p. 224. 1850 Nancy Kincaid, age 62, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 James Kincaid, [000005] age 21, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 224. 1850 Joseph Kincaid, [000005] age 24, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 26. 1850 Sarah Kincaid, age 24, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 26. 1850 Leander Kincaid, [000005] age 2, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 26. 1850 John Kincaid, [000005] age 2 1/2, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p.26. 1850 Robert Kincaid, [000005] age 32, born PA, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 146. 1850 Eunice Kincaid, age 19, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p.146. 1850 John Kincaid, [000005] age 1, born OH, Perry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 146. 1850 William Kincade, [000005] age 29, born PA, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Mary Kincade, age 24, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Sarah L. Kincade, [000005] age 2, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29. 1850 Charles Kincade, [000005] age 3 months, born OH, Sunberry Township, Monroe County, OH.. USFC, p. 29.   ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:26:31 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census It is very interesting to note that Joseph was born 1826 in PA. Since Appanoose Co. is very near to Wayne, Van Buren and Wapello Cos. it looks like there was a draw here for several Kincaid lines. Mathew in Wayne Co. was b 1807/8 in VA. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: <Utahn1@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census > Mary, I found it. > > Caldwell Township, Appanoose, Iowa, Pg. 17  (369) > > Kincade, Joseph, 44, m,w, Farmer (word I cannot read), Pers. Estate  $400, > b. > Penn, 1 male citizen over 21 > Sarah J., 44, f, w, keeps house, b. Ohio > Francis J., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio > Florence L., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio > Margaret, 10, f, w, at home, b. Ohio > Rebecca C, 8, f, w, at home, b. Ohio > Charles W., 8 m, w, at home, b. Ohio > McLydia, 6, f, w, born Indiana > > All the children attended school, and there is a mark saying Margaret > cannot > write. > > Because there was no indication that Joseph had personal property, I went > back a page. The landowner appears to be: > > Johnson, William, 34, m, w, farmer, R.E.$1400, Personal Estate $916, b.. > Penn., 1 male citizen over 21 > Louisa, 26, f, w, keeps house, Ohio > Alice, 10, f, w, at home, b. Iowa > Warren, 8, m, w, at home, b. Iowa > Emma, 6, f, w, at home, b. Iowa > Lunetta, 3, f, w, b. Iowa > Edward, 11/12, b. Iowa in May > Lenark, Mary, 17, f, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $480, b. Indiana > Lenark, Francis, 19, m, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $275, b. Indiana > > Ruth Cherecwich > > > > In a message dated 9/19/2008 10:35:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mfhart@grm.net writes: > Could someone please check the 1870 census of  Appanoose County, Iowa for > Joseph Kinkade and/or other Kinkades (any  spelling).  I thought I could > find > the census on the Internet but no  luck so far. > > Thanks for the help, > Mary Hart > > To see the Kincaid  of all spellings DNA chart in  Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid > %20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of  the message > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges?  Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators.      (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is very interesting to note that Joseph was born 1826 in PA. Since Appanoose Co. is very near to Wayne, Van Buren and Wapello Cos. it looks like there was a draw here for several Kincaid lines. Mathew in Wayne Co. was b 1807/8 in VA. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: <Utahn1@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkade - 1870 Appanoose County, Iowa Census > Mary, I found it. > > Caldwell Township, Appanoose, Iowa, Pg. 17 (369) > > Kincade, Joseph, 44, m,w, Farmer (word I cannot read), Pers. Estate $400, > b. > Penn, 1 male citizen over 21 > Sarah J., 44, f, w, keeps house, b. Ohio > Francis J., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio > Florence L., 12, f, at home, b. Ohio > Margaret, 10, f, w, at home, b. Ohio > Rebecca C, 8, f, w, at home, b. Ohio > Charles W., 8 m, w, at home, b. Ohio > McLydia, 6, f, w, born Indiana > > All the children attended school, and there is a mark saying Margaret > cannot > write. > > Because there was no indication that Joseph had personal property, I went > back a page. The landowner appears to be: > > Johnson, William, 34, m, w, farmer, R.E.$1400, Personal Estate $916, b. > Penn., 1 male citizen over 21 > Louisa, 26, f, w, keeps house, Ohio > Alice, 10, f, w, at home, b. Iowa > Warren, 8, m, w, at home, b. Iowa > Emma, 6, f, w, at home, b. Iowa > Lunetta, 3, f, w, b. Iowa > Edward, 11/12, b. Iowa in May > Lenark, Mary, 17, f, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $480, b. Indiana > Lenark, Francis, 19, m, w, R.E. $300, P.E. $275, b. Indiana > > Ruth Cherecwich > > > > In a message dated 9/19/2008 10:35:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mfhart@grm.net writes: > Could someone please check the 1870 census of Appanoose County, Iowa for > Joseph Kinkade and/or other Kinkades (any spelling). I thought I could > find > the census on the Internet but no luck so far. > > Thanks for the help, > Mary Hart > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid > %20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, Your Owsley/Lee Co. KY suggested to me that you may be from the James/Margaret Wyatt line. This line does appear to go back to Greenbrier Co., VA where Margaret's father Edward Wyatt held land on Turkey Creek when he died. Her sister Martha m Thomas Kincaid who moved from Greenbrier to Campbell Co. TN. It has long been thought that James and Thomas were brothers. We know the DNA of Thomas. His descendent is 35199 in the Kincaid DNA project. He is in Group A set 1c on the chart of results which you can get to by clicking the link near the bottom of the page. There are conflicting views as to the parentage of Thomas which have been discussed many times on list. A review of past posts in the list Archives will bring you up to speed on research and hypothesis in the Greenbrier area. This area is complicated with at least 2 unrelated Kincaid families living next to and interacting with each other. The Samuel referred to below also has a descendent in the DNA project. He is 49351 in Group C-2 on the chart. He is not even closely related to Thomas above. It is only through DNA that we have been able to sort out some of the Greenbrier/Augusta families. This tool was not available to H.C. Kincaid, who descended from Samuel. It was natural to assume all Kincaids in the area were related. With limited access to records, which involved actually spending a great deal of time going to courthouses to sort through a jumble of books and papers, he made some unwarranted assumptions that have since been shown to be erroneous. Please consider joining the DNA project. If indeed, you are a descendent of James/Margaret your DNA will tell us if James could have been a brother to Thomas or if another of the several related or unrelated Kincaid families in the area may be a better fit. If you are not a descendent of James/Margaret, your DNA will help direct your research toward possible family connections. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kincaid" <topgun4900@msn.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Info on Samuel Kincaid of 1700 and Robert De Kyncadeof1441 >I have done a rather simple family tree with Ancestory.com and have traced >back to the year 1441 with Robert De Kyncade as the final entry or starting >point. I also see where Samuel Kincaid was the first to come to the United >States. Samuel was born 1700 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Can you >find more info on Samuel, immigration papers, landing point in the US? etc. >Shows he died in 1794 in Greenbrier, West Virginia. Also any more >information on Robert De Kyncade greatly appreciated. The Kincaids on my >side settled in Owsley county(Lee County) Kentucky. David Kincaid, >Lexington, Kentucky > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 9/19/2008 11:55:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Utahn1@aol.com writes: Lastly, our goal in the pursuit of our ancestors is to have fun while learning. Enjoy the list, contribute to it, meet new extended family members, and make new friends. AMEN! Eliza K **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)