I think the Andrew & Archibald Kincade below are not the Andrew & Archibald in Cumberland County, PA.  The tax list below is for 1788.  Here is what I have for the Andrew & Archibald in Cumberland County, PA. Cumberland County, PA 1788 George Kinkead [4164] taxed in Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA. Cumberland County Historical         Society, Carlisle, PA 1788 Andrew Kinkead [1263] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA. Cumberland County Historical         Society, Carlisle, PA Cumberland County, PA 1789 George Kinkead [4164] taxed in Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA for 100 acres.          Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1789 Archibald Kinkead [000014] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA for 200 acres.          Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1789 Andrew Kinkead [1263] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA.          Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA The last clear citations of Andrew or Archibald in Cumberland County, PA are below. 1793 Andrew Kinkead [1263] & his wife, Martha Townsley sold their half of 300 acres in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA  for 250 pounds on October 7, 1793, witness Thomas Kincaid. Cumberland County Court House, Carlisle, PA, Deed  Book Vol. 1, Book K, p. 632. 1794 Archibald Kinkead [000014] patented 336 acres, Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA, date of return, March 18, 1794.  Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, PATENT INDEX, P SERIES (P-20 to P-35), 1792-1800, Surnames beginning with K, p. 150. 1794 Archibald Kinkead [000014] sold 200 acres in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA to Jacob Hartman for 110 pounds,  October 14, 1794. Cumberland County Court House, Carlisle, PA, Deed Book Vol. 1, Book P, p. 448. I think they left Cumberland County, PA in the spring of 1795. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Treasa Brookman <tbrook@hamiltoncom.net> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 4:31:12 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: [KYRESEARCH] TIP# 711 - FAYETTE CO KY TAX LIST 1788 HADDEN THROUGHRUTLEDGE This shows several Kincade and Kinkade. Norman, Isn't this the William my family is descended from? Treasa # 4323 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandi Gorin" <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> To: <KYRESEARCH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: [KYRESEARCH] TIP# 711 - FAYETTE CO KY TAX LIST 1788 HADDEN THROUGHRUTLEDGE > TIP #711: FAYETTE CO KY TAX LIST 1788 HADDEN through RUTLEDGE > > A note before we continue which I didn't make > last week. This is just one of the lists from > Fayette Co tax records and the only one to which > I have access. Thus this is not meant to be a > complete list. Fayette County was formed in 1780, > two years before statehood and was a part of > Kentucky County Virginia,  In 1780, Kentucky > County VA was divided into three counties - Fayette, Jefferson and > Lincoln. > > HADDEN, William. HADEN, Samuel. HADWAY, Nathan. > HAFF, Paul. HAGARD, Bartholomew. HAGGARD, James. > HALBERT, Isaac. HALL, Aron, Edward, John, Moses, > Moses Jr, Thomas and William. HHALLOWAY, James. > HALSETT, William. HAMBLETON, George. HAMMOND, > John. HAMPTON, Andrew and Thomas. HANKS, George. > HARBERT, Elisha. HARGESTER, Thomas. HARGET, > Peter. HARMON, Robert, Thomas and William. > HARPER, Mary. HARRIS, John and Thomas. HARRISON, > Daniel and Hezekiah. HATHWAY, Daniel and > Jonathan. HAWKINS, James and John. HAYDON, Abner, > Benjamin, Ezekiel, James, John, William and > William Jr. HAYS, William. HAZELRIGG, John. > HAZLERIGG, Charles, Joseph and William. HAZZARD, > John and Martin. HEADEN, Richard. HEAT, Benjamin. > HEDDEN, Abram and Jacob. HENDERSON, Alexander, > John, Joseph and Samuel. HENSLEY, George and > Richerson. HERONS, James. HESTINGS, William. > HICKEY, Simon. HICKMAN, James, Joe and Richard. > HIGGINS, John. HILER, James. HILL, John and > William. HILLIS, Robert. HIS, Elisha. HOGAN, > James. HOLDER, John. HOLEMAN, Daniel, Edward, > Edward Jr, George, Henry, Joseph and Nicholas. > HOLLINGSHEAD, Francs. HON, Honis. HORNBECK, > Abraham. HOUSE, Andrew. HOUSTON, Peter. HOWARD, > Allen and James. HOWEARD, Leroy. HUCKSTEP, John. > HUDSON, Joshua. HUFFMAN, Peter. HUNSINGER, > Matthew. HUNT, Wilson. HUNTER, Jacob, Jacob Jr, > John and Peter. HUSON, Jane. HUTSON, GTanley. > HUTTON, Hendrick and James. HYNES, Richard. > > INDECUT, Aron, Barzella, Joseph and Moses. IRELAND, John. > > JACK, Frances and John. JACKSON, Congraves, > David, Hezekiah, J Chandly, Philip and William. > JAMASON, William. JAMES, Daniel. JAMESON, George, > James, John and Thomas. JAMISON, John Jr and > Samuel. JANUARY, Ephraim, James, John and Thomas. > JENKINS, Matthew and William. JOHNS, John. > JOHNSON, Andrew, Cave, Joseph and William. > JOHNSTON, James, Martin and Sielass. JONATHAN, > Eaton. JONES, David, Ellett, Grace, James, John, > John Jr, Thomas and William. JONSE, James. JONSTON, Samuel. > > KAY, John. KEEN, Frances. KEIFFER, Frederick. > KEITHLEY, Jacob and John. ELDAR, John. KELL, > James. KELLAM, Isaac. KELLY, Beluse and Samuel. > KENNY, Isaiah. KERSNER, Casper. KETHLEY, Jacob. > KILLINCREEK, Paulser. KINCADE, Andrew, Archiald, > David, Hapson, John and William. KINDER, Peter. > KINDRED, William. KING, Abram and John. KINKADE, > John. KIRKHAM, Robert and Samuel. KIRKPATRICK, > Alexander. KIZER, Christopher.. KNIGHT, James. > > LAIL, John. LAMB, Samuel & William. LEA, W. > Frances. LEDGERWOOD, William and William Jr. LEE, > James and William. LESENBY, William. LEWIS, John, > Nicholas, Thomas and William. LIGGET, James. > LINSEY, John and Theodones. LIPS, Jacob. LITTLE, > James. LOCKET, James. LOCKHEART, James. LOGAN, > Hugh. LONG, John. LOT, William. LOWEN, Frederick. > LOWRY, John and Stephen. LUCAS, John. LUSH, Samuel. LUSK, Hugh.. LUTIN, > Vincen. > > MACINGTIRE, Moses. MADISON, George. MARCH, Jacob. > MARSHAL, Humphrey. MARSHALL, H, John, Thomas, and > Thomas Jr. MARTEN, Henry, John and William. > MARTIN, Alexander, Benjamin, James, Jerimiah, > John, Samuel, Thomas and William. MARTINY, > Earnest. MASTEN, John. MASTERSON, James. MAXWELL, > George, John, Thomas and William. MAYFIELD, John. > McBRIDE, James and Samuel. McCANLEY, Andrew. > McCLARY, John and Samuel. McCLURE, Andrew, John, > Moses, Nathaniel, Samuel and Thomas. McCOMMON, > Matt. McCONNEL, Alexander and John. McCONNELL, > James, Mary, William and William Jr. McCORKLE, > Elizabeth, Joseph and Robert. McCRACKIN, Cyrus. > McCRACKLIN, John. McCUMSEY, John, McCUNE, Andrew. > McDANIEL, William. McDONNOL, John. McDOWELL, > John. McGILL, Alexander and James. McGUIRE, James > and John. McHURON, Samuel and Silas. McILVAIN, > James, John, Moses and Samuel. McKENNY, John. > McLANANE, John. McLANE, James. McLONEY, > Alexander. McLOUCKLIN, John. McMAHON, James. > McMILLIN, James and Robert. McMULLEN, James Jr. > McMURTRY, William. McNARY, Hugh, John and > William. McNEAL, Jonathan and Thomas. McQUADY, > John and William. McTHOMAS, Quady. McWILLIAMS, > Hugh. MEEK, James, John and William. MEGEE, > Daniel and William. MICKIN, Mark. MIDDLETON, H > John. MILBURN, Dudley. MILES, Eve and Samuel. > MILLER, Henry and John. MITCHEL, Robert and > Samuel. MITCHELL, John and Rosanna. MITCHIEL, > Moses. MOFFET, William. MONTAGUE, Thomas. > MONTGOMERY, Robert and Samuel. MOONEY, John and > Patrick. MOOR, James, Robert, Samuel and William. > MOORE, Benjamin, H, John, Joseph and Quinten. > MORFET, Robert. MORGAN, Charles and John. MORRE, > Shadrack. MORRIS, Evans. MORRISON, John. MORROW, > James. MORTON, Orson. MOSS, Frederick and > William. MOSTON, Thomas. MOULTON, Jonathan. MUIR, > George. MULDERY, Hugh. MUNSON, Isaac, Samuel and > Samuel Jr. MUSSELMAN, Christy. MUTRE, George [MUTER?] > > NAPPER, John. NASH, Artheur. NEAL, Charles, > George and John. NEALE, Allen. NELSON, Benjamin, > Edward and Thomas. NEVELL, William. NEVENS, John. > NIBLICK, John. NICHOLSON, Thomas. NICKELL, Joseph > and Thomas. NIXON, Henry. NORTON, John. NOX, > Enoch, James and Randol. NUTTLE, Elijah. > > OLD, John. OLDER, Joseph. OLIVER, John. ONEAL, > Robert and William. OWENS, Patrick. > > PABTEAN, John and Richard. PADDOCK, Jonathan. > PARILAND, Alexander. PARIS, Moses. PARISH, > Robert. PARKER, Alex, James and John. PARKHURST, > Ezekal. PASLEY, Thomas. PATERSON, Joseph. > PATTERSON, Matthew, Moses and Robert. PATTIE, > John. PAYNE, Edward, Edward Jr, Henry, Sanford > and William. PAYTON, James. PELHAM, Charles. > PEOPLES, Robert. PERRY, Benjamin and Lewis. > PHILIP, William. PHILIPS, Joel and Robert. > PIERCEN, Benjamin and James. PILES, Conradus. > PLUKE, John. POAGUE, Elizah. POE, Benjamin and > John. POLLY, Peter. POSTON, Elijah. POWEL, > William. POWELL, Ambrose. POWER, Edward. Prait, > Joseph. PRICE, Andrew, John, John Jr, P and > William. PRITCHER, Isaac. PROCTOR, Hezekiah, > John, Thomas and William. PRUIT, Elisha and Joseph. PUCKITT, William. > > QUESSENBERRY, James, John. QUISENBESRRY, James. > > RAGLAND, Edmund and James. RANKINS, David, David > Jr and Thomas. RAYBURN, H, Robert and William Jr. > RAYNEY, Dan. REBELIN, William. REDING, Isaac. > REED, John and Samuel. RENTFRO, James. RICE, > Benjamin, Richard and William. RICHARDS, Robert. > RICHARDSON, Mary. RICHERSON, William. RICHIE, > James and Samuel. RIGHT, Joseph and William. > ROBERTS, William. ROBERTSON, Absalom, William Jr > and William Sr. ROBINSON, Jeremiah and John.. > ROGERS, Joseph and William. ROLSTON, David and > John. ROOSE, John. RUCKER, James. RUE, Richard. > RUSH, James. RUSSARD, John. RUTLEDGE, Samuel. > > To be concluded next week. > > > KYBIOGRAPHIES Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=kybiographies > KYRESEARCH Archives:http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=kyresearch > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KYRESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the chances of there being a family of Kinkeads that originated in Ireland (paternity issues aside) is on the low side of 0 to 1%. There is a clear paper trail of Kincaids/Kinkeads/etc. in that part of Armagh and they originate on the County Down side. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Don W. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fw: Long Line of Kinkeads Dick, Great info on Irish Keads! We look forward to Phillip's additional family lineage information. His email certainly increases the possibility that there was indeed a family of Kinkeads that originated in Ireland or N. Ireland. We sure hope he will decide to join the Kincaid DNA project as it might prove to be quite valuable. When I did research in Scotland in 1985 I saw of several instances of Kincaid's going to Co. Armagh but they could be different from Phillip's line. Don Kincaid 1427 Eastland, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Kinkead To: Genealogy, KINCAID Cc: philipkathryn@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: Long Line of Kinkeads K-listers, Yet another facet to the story of the origin of the Kincaid name, from an Irish Kinkead! I'll be anxious to find out how far back Philip can trace his -kead line. Rev. Joe, perhaps? I have one of Roger Kinkead's photos and am bidding on one of his works on Ebay right now. Dick Kinkead 2562 Lantana, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip and Kathryn Kinkead To: 'Richard Kinkead' Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: Long Line of Kinkead's Hi Richard, It was very nice to hear from you and read your informative email. I will investigate with my father deeper into our personal family line, but for now I will share with you the information that I know off my head. Dating back as far as we can trace our name back to our family has always resided in the middle of the orchard county of Co.Armagh 'Ard Macha' which is located just south of Lough Neagh. Family names are kept though the generations in our line. My father is named William James Roger Kinkead, his father was William Bradley Kinkead. My Grandfather William Bradley worked all his life in the Linen Mills of Co.Armagh and my father is an Irish Scenic photographer. All of the Kinkead's have been very proud of their Irish culture and this extends today. My grandfather always maintained that our heritage was Irish and not Scotch Irish. The Gaelic Irish for our name is Cinniceid which is very significant. Cinni translates into 'the family name'. Ceid can be translated into! '! special field'. You may be aware of the ceide fields of Ireland. There is also a town in Co.Armagh called Keady, translated to 'Ceide'. Therefore my Grandfather said that the story that was passed down to him through history was that the Kinkead's were 'the family who worked the special fields' in ancient times. Today this would just means that they were farmers who had been blest with rich farm lands. This would make sense as Co.Armagh has the most luscious fields in all Ireland. Our family has also been recorded in the earliest recordings of Co.Armagh towns mainly Portadown 'Port na Dun' where I still live. I hope this gives you a brief insight, Kinds Regards, Philip Kinkead 'Pilab Cinniceid' To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And I understand that your great grandparents would be Samuel Gardener Kinkead and Jane Walker. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Kinkead To: Genealogy, KINCAID Cc: philipkathryn@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: Long Line of Kinkeads K-listers, Yet another facet to the story of the origin of the Kincaid name, from an Irish Kinkead! I'll be anxious to find out how far back Philip can trace his -kead line. Rev. Joe, perhaps? I have one of Roger Kinkead's photos and am bidding on one of his works on Ebay right now. Dick Kinkead 2562 Lantana, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip and Kathryn Kinkead To: 'Richard Kinkead' Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: Long Line of Kinkead's Hi Richard, It was very nice to hear from you and read your informative email. I will investigate with my father deeper into our personal family line, but for now I will share with you the information that I know off my head. Dating back as far as we can trace our name back to our family has always resided in the middle of the orchard county of Co.Armagh 'Ard Macha' which is located just south of Lough Neagh. Family names are kept though the generations in our line. My father is named William James Roger Kinkead, his father was William Bradley Kinkead. My Grandfather William Bradley worked all his life in the Linen Mills of Co.Armagh and my father is an Irish Scenic photographer. All of the Kinkead's have been very proud of their Irish culture and this extends today. My grandfather always maintained that our heritage was Irish and not Scotch Irish. The Gaelic Irish for our name is Cinniceid which is very significant. Cinni translates into 'the family name'. Ceid can be translated into '! special field'. You may be aware of the ceide fields of Ireland. There is also a town in Co.Armagh called Keady, translated to 'Ceide'. Therefore my Grandfather said that the story that was passed down to him through history was that the Kinkead's were 'the family who worked the special fields' in ancient times. Today this would just means that they were farmers who had been blest with rich farm lands. This would make sense as Co.Armagh has the most luscious fields in all Ireland. Our family has also been recorded in the earliest recordings of Co.Armagh towns mainly Portadown 'Port na Dun' where I still live. I hope this gives you a brief insight, Kinds Regards, Philip Kinkead 'Pilab Cinniceid' To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

K-listers, Yet another facet to the story of the origin of the Kincaid name, from an Irish Kinkead! I'll be anxious to find out how far back Philip can trace his -kead line. Rev. Joe, perhaps? I have one of Roger Kinkead's photos and am bidding on one of his works on Ebay right now. Dick Kinkead 2562 Lantana, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip and Kathryn Kinkead To: 'Richard Kinkead' Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: Long Line of Kinkead's Hi Richard, It was very nice to hear from you and read your informative email. I will investigate with my father deeper into our personal family line, but for now I will share with you the information that I know off my head. Dating back as far as we can trace our name back to our family has always resided in the middle of the orchard county of Co.Armagh 'Ard Macha' which is located just south of Lough Neagh. Family names are kept though the generations in our line. My father is named William James Roger Kinkead, his father was William Bradley Kinkead. My Grandfather William Bradley worked all his life in the Linen Mills of Co.Armagh and my father is an Irish Scenic photographer. All of the Kinkead's have been very proud of their Irish culture and this extends today. My grandfather always maintained that our heritage was Irish and not Scotch Irish. The Gaelic Irish for our name is Cinniceid which is very significant. Cinni translates into 'the family name'. Ceid can be translated into 'special field'. You may be aware of the ceide fields of Ireland. There is also a town in Co.Armagh called Keady, translated to 'Ceide'. Therefore my Grandfather said that the story that was passed down to him through history was that the Kinkead's were 'the family who worked the special fields' in ancient times. Today this would just means that they were farmers who had been blest with rich farm lands. This would make sense as Co.Armagh has the most luscious fields in all Ireland. Our family has also been recorded in the earliest recordings of Co.Armagh towns mainly Portadown 'Port na Dun' where I still live. I hope this gives you a brief insight, Kinds Regards, Philip Kinkead 'Pilab Cinniceid'

Charles Vernon Kincaid (119921, Gp A Set 1b) track to John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township. 1st Generation: Charles Vernon Kincaid, Born Baltimore, MD, 1930 Son of Charles Vernon Kincaid Sr. and Lois Mildred Miller Proven by: 1. Birth certificate: Baltimore City Health Dept lists my father as Charles Vernon Kincaid and mother as Lois (Miller) Kincaid 2. Life knowledge: I knew my parents and their siblings and they acknowledged me as their son and/or nephew 2nd Generation: Charles Vernon Kincaid (Sr), Born Baltimore, MD, October 29, 1882 and died December 2, 1950. Son of Frank Wallace Kincaid and Mary Delphine Baer Proven by: 1. “Kincaid Family Bible” listing births, deaths, and marriages of Kincaid/Baer family from 1855 onward. Charles’s birthday given as October 29, 1882, in my possession. 2. 1900 Federal Census of Baltimore city lists Charles as a member of the Frank Kincaid family. Members listed are: Frank Kincaid, husband, age 44; Delphine, wife, age 45; Charles V, son, age 17; James W, son, age 14; George C, son, age 12; Sophie A, daughter age 9 and Carroll L, son age 6, Also lists Frank’s mother being born in England. This is accurate since his mother, Annie Cave was, in fact, born in England. The census also lists all family members being born in MD except for Delphine who was born in Delta PA, and George and Sophie who were born in Bryansville PA, (near Fawn) 3. Marriage Certificate of Charles V. Kincaid and Lois M. Miller in Towson, MD, on September 12, 1926. Witnesses were Mr. and Mrs. Elmer Parks. In my possession. 4. Life knowledge: I knew my father’s sister and two brothers and they acknowledged him as their sibling 5. Baltimore Sun obituary listing Charles’s numerous accomplishments and civic works over the past 40 years and identified Charles V. Kincaid as his son and Lois Kincaid as his wife 6. Charles V. Kincaid Certificate of Death, Baltimore city lists birth and death dates as above. 3rd Generation: Frank Wallace Kincaid, Born Baltimore, MD, January 25, 1856, Died February 22, 1908 Son of James R. Kincaid and Anna Cave Proven by: 1. “Kincaid Family Bible” listing births, deaths, marriages of the Kincaid family from 1855 onward. Frank’s birthday given as January 25, 1856 2. 1860 Federal Census of Baltimore City, p 706, lists Frank as one of three children of James R. Kincaid , age 40, and wife Anna (erroneously spelled Emma) living in Baltimore, MD, 18th ward. Others listed in family were wife, Anna age 37; daughter Clara age 7; son Frank, age 4 and daughter Ida age 1. Kincaid misspelled as Kincaide. 3. Baltimore Directory for 1860 lists Frank W. Kincaid as a son of James R. Kincaid family living at 653 W. Baltimore St. in 18th ward Baltimore, Md (Files of Baltimore Directories at Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) 4. Marriage Certificate: Frank W. Kincaid of Baltimore and Mary D. Baer of Bryansville, York County, PA, were joined in marriage the 13th day of January, 1881, in Bryansville, PA, (near Fawn Grove) by Joseph D. Smith, minister. Witnesses were Clara V. Kincaid (Frank’s sister) and Charles S. Baer (Dellies brother). Copy in my files. 5. Certified Baltimore City Certificate of Death of Frank W. Kincaid with birth and death dates as above 6. Clipping saved from Baltimore newspaper announcing the death of Frank W. Kincaid and plans for burial in Slate Ridge Cemetery in Delta, PA. Frank W. and Mary D. (who died May 16, 1903) Kincaid were buried in Slate Ridge Cemetery, (near Fawn Grove) along with Frank’s unmarried sister, Ida V, and Frank and Dellie’s son, James Wallace who died age 19 of TB on Oct 24 1904 Clipping also lists Frank’s surviving children as: Charles V. George C, Sophie A. and Carroll L. 7. Oil paintings of Frank W. and Mary D. Kincaid on their wedding day, January 13, 1881. In my possession. 4th Generation James R. Kincaid, Born Baltimore, MD, August 20, 1816; died November 21, 1887 Son of James Kincaid and Barbara Kendall Proven by: 1. U. S. Federal Census of 1850 Baltimore City, MD, lists Barbara (Barbay) Kingcade (James Kincaid’s widow) and with her son James R. Kincaid (age 30) running a boarding house with 18 boarders at 20 Pearl St., Baltimore, MD 2. Photographs of James R. Kincaid and wife, Anna Cave Kincaid, as an elderly couple, circa 1885, in my possession 3. Gravestone in Loudon Park Cemetery, Baltimore, MD, gives James R. Kincaid’s date of birth as August 20, 1816, died November 21, 1887. Wife Anna Cave Kincaid, age 75, died February 22, 1898. Also burial plots of two unnamed young children, but one is noted as “child of James R. Kincaid” (Personal visit to Loudon Park Cemetery. Baltimore, Md) 4. Baltimore Directories from 1852-1887 list J. R. Kincaid and family living at various residences in Baltimore during these years. Baltimore City Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore Md) 5. Baltimore City Marriage Licenses Issued (1851-1865),pg.330, lists James Kincaid and Anna Cave married November 24, 1852, Hall of Records, Annapolis Md. 6. Certificate of Death, Baltimore City Health Department, documents J. R. Kincaid’s birth and death dates, August 20, 1816, died November 21, 1887 (Certified Copy, Baltimore City Health Department, Certificate of Death) 5th Generation James Kincaid, Born Fawn Township, PA abt. 1776; died September 7, 1832 Son of Samuel Kincaid and 1) Agness ?, and 2) Nancy ? Proven by: 1. James Kincaid was listed in the Sept. 1810 will of his father, Samuel Kincaid of Fawn, as one of Samuel’s eleven children, Family listed in will were: wife Nancy, sons John, James, Samuel, David, Wallace, Joseph, and Thomas and daughters Margaret Vance, Jenny McLaughlin, Nancy and heirs of his daughter, Jean McLeary (dec’d). Also mentioned as an heir was Samuel’s grandson, Lewis Kincaid. (Will Book M, pg. 274, York County Heritage Trust files, York, PA) 2. James Kincaid, first shown on tax lists, taxed $1.00, in Fawn Township, York County, PA, as a single man in 1797. (York County Tax Record Roll 5226, York County, PA, archives.) Thus, James must have been 21 years in 1797 providing us with an approximate birth year of 1776. 3. James Kincaid arrived in Baltimore in 1803 and lived at 133 High St. Baltimore City Directory of 1804 lists James Kincaid as a school teacher living at 153 High St., Baltimore, MD. (Baltimore Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) 4. James Kincaid is listed in the 1804 Baltimore City Directory with this brother David Kincaid at 153 High St., Baltimore, MD. David’s occupation was given as drayman. David listed with James at that address in 1805, 1806, and 1807.(Baltimore City Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) 5. U.S. Federal Census of 1810 lists James Kincaid living in Wards 2-6, Baltimore, one male 26-45, one male 16-25, one female over 45, one female 16-25, two females under 10. (USFC, pg 268) 6. Baltimore City Directory of 1813 shows James Kincaid and brother Wallace Kincaid as grocers at 153 High St., Baltimore, MD. Wallace remained at that address with James until 1819. (Baltimore Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) 7. U. S. Federal Census of 1830 shows James living in Ward 4 of Baltimore City. One male 50-60, one male 5-10, one male 10-15, one female 50-60, one female 20-30, one female 15-20, one female 10-15, and one female 5-10. (USFC, pg. 189) 8. September 28, 1812, James Kincaid married Barbara Kendall at the 1st Methodist Episcopal Church, Light Street, Baltimore. Wedding performed by Rev. George Roberts. (1st Methodist Episcopal Church records, Maryland Historical Society records, Baltimore, MD) 9. Death of James Kincaid announced in the Baltimore American newspaper of September 15, 1832, “James Kincaid, long a merchant of Baltimore died of the cholera on September 7.”(Diehlman File of Baltimore Newspapers, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, Md) James Kincaid was buried in the Old North Burial ground in Baltimore. He and his wife Barbara were reinterred in Greenmount Cemetery in Baltimore when the Old North Burial ground was disestablished to make way for the expanding downtown of Baltimore. James was reinterred in the burial plot of his daughter, Ann (Kincaid) Sanders. (Personal Visit to Greenmount Cemetery) 10. My father, Charles V. Kincaid, Sr., his brothers and sister often visited the Fawn Grove-Bryansville-Delta region. He explained to me that he went back to Fawn with his father, Frank W. Kincaid, who in turn had gone every summer with his father James R. Kincaid to visit friends (McLaughlins, Clarkes, Watsons, etc.) from the “old neighborhood.” That is why my father took me there. 6th Generation Samuel Kincaid, born abt. 1736, in Sadsbury, PA, died October 1810, in Fawn Township, York County, PA. Son of John Kinkead and Mary ? Proven by: 1. 1749-Warrant, dated June 6, 1749, granted to Alexander McCanless for land in Fawn Township Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania.( Pennsylvania State Archives RG-17, Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS 1733-1757, Surnames beginning with “M”). This warrant was filed before York County was formed August 14, 1749, and thus is listed in Lancaster County warrants. 2. 1756-Samuel Kinkead/Kincaid first taxed in Sadsbury Township, PA, as a single man in 1756. A single free man was taxed upon the age of 21. This being the case, Samuel would have been born about 1735-1736. (Chester County Archives and Records Service (CCAR) West Chester, Pa. Courtesy Norman Kincaide) 3. 1757-Samuel Kinkead/Kincaid taxed in Sadsbury as a single man (courtesy Norman Kincaide. CCAR) 4. 1758-Samuel Kinkead/Kincaid taxed in Sadsbury as a married man (courtesy Norman Kincaide. CCAR) 5. 1760-Samuel Kinkead/Kincaid taxed in Sadsbury as a married man (courtesy Norman Kincaide. CCAR) 6. 1762-Samuel Kinkead/Kincaid, Charles Kincaid, James Kincaid at wedding of James Sinkler and Mary Patterson at the Bradford Monthly meeting, Chester, PA, October 21, 1762 (courtesy Norman Kincaide. CCAR) 7. 1763-Samuel Kinkead/Kincaid, taxed in Sadsbury(Norman Kincaide. CCAR) 8. 1765-Samuel Kinkead/Kincaid, taxed in West Caln Township, Chester County, PA, on 100 acres (courtesy Norman Kincaide. CCAR) 9. 1767-Samuel Kinkead taxed in West Caln in 1767, 1768, 1769, 1771 and 1772. (courtesy Norman Kincaide. CCAR) 10. 1771- John Kinkead died. Will proven November 1771 provided for his wife Mary, left the farm to son Charles, and twenty pounds to sons David, John, Samuel, James. Also left sums to his sons-in-laws. (courtesy Norman Kincaide. CCAR) 11. 1772-Samuel Kincaid bought 271 acres called Poplar Quarter from Archibald White in Fawn Township (deed not yet recovered). 12. 1779-Samuel Kincaid listed on roll of York County militia, Capt. William Gray’s company.(YCHT. Courtesy Mr John Heisey). 1779-Samuel Kincaid taxed in Fawn until 1810 (York Co. Archives York Pa.) 13. 1790-U.S. Federal Census shows Samuel Kincaid with three males over 16, five males under 16, and 4 females. This indicates that Samuel Kincaid’s 7 sons were still at home in 1790, if all males listed were his sons. (York Co Archives, York Pa) 14. 1797-Samuel Kincaid taxed in Fawn for 150 acres. (CCAR) 15. 1810- Samuel Kincaid died October 1810. Will lists his children as heirs and left Poplar Quarter to sons Joseph and Thomas. Details of will described in 5th generation of this vetting. 16. 1813-Survey of Poplar Quarter. “Joseph and Thomas Kincaid situate in Fawn Township in the county of York containing as above 271 acres & 61 perches and allowance, of land originally surveyed by William Matthews, late DS, on the 21st day of the 1st month 1771 for Archibald White in pursuance of a warrant which was granted to Alexander McCanless (Poplar Quarter) bearing the date of 6th of June 1749. And now, on the 16th day of June 1813, the same has been calculated, examined, and found to be correct and at the request of the present owners, Joseph and Thomas Kincaid, the same is returned for confirmation. Adjacent land owners: Joseph Ross, Barrens, William Smilee, Barrens, Barrens, Thomas Brannon,. Per Jacob Spangler, DS. To Andrew Porter Esq. Surveyor General, Harrisburg.” (Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office ,COPIEDSURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol B-9, pg 12.) 17. 1813 Patent.-Joseph and Thomas Kincaid (119921) patented 271 acres, 61 perches July 10, 1813, warrantee, Alexander McCanless (Poplar Quarter) June 6, 1749 Fawn Township York County Pa.( Pennsylvania State Archives RG-17, Records of the Land Office, PATENT INDEX, H Series (H1 to H20), 1809-1823, Surnames beginning with K, pg 189, Patent Book Vol 9, pg 196. Courtesy Norman Kincaide) 7th Generation John Kinkead born about 1700,likely in Ireland, died November 1771 in Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA. Married Mary ?. Son of unknown parents. Proven by: 1.There were no Kinkead/Kincaids in Chester County until 1728, when John Kinkead and James were taxed as married men living in Sadsbury Township. Since they were over 21, they were likely born about 1700. Place of birth is not known at this time, but other information indicates Northern Ireland as a likely place (courtesy of Norman Kincaid) 2.John and James Kinkead taxed in Sadsbury in 1730,1732,1734,1735,1736, and 1737. (Courtesy of Norman Kincaide) 3.John Kinkead received warrant for 200 acres of land on February 4, 1734 and James received warrant for 150 acres on February 9, 1734. (Courtesy of Norman Kincaide) 4.James Kinkead, brother of John Kinkead, disappeared from Chester County Tax lists after 1737. 5.James Kinkead moved to Barbados where he died in 1752. (Courtesy of Norman Kincaide) 6.John Kinkead, John Kinkead, Jr., Samuel Kinkead, Robert Kinkead (carpenter) and Robert Kinkead (weaver) pledged to support Rev. Boyd’s salary at Upper Octorara Presbyterian Church on Sept 1 1758. (courtesy of Norman Kincaide ) 7.Samuel Kinkead first shows up on the Tax List in Sadsbury Township in 1756; this indicates his birth was 1735 to 1736. (courtesy of Norman Kincaide ) 8.Samuel Kinkead is taxed in West Caln in 1765, 1766, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1771, and 1772, but not after 1772. West Caln Township was formed in 1744 and consisted of land adjacent to John Kinkead’s land in Sadsbury Township. (Futhey and Cope, History of Chester County, PA, p. 168) 9.Samuel Kinkead was named in the administration of the estate of Andrew Kinkead (deceased) in 1769. Andrew Kinkead, formerly of Taghboyn Parish, County Donegal, Ireland, but lately of Newcastle Hundred on the Delaware died intestate, on the ship JUPITER, docked in the Delaware River, leaving considerable estate. Samuel was nearest of kin to Andrew Kinkead but was unable to undertake administration of Andrew’s estate and renounced it in favor of James Kinkead, next nearest of kin. (PCH Will Book H, p. 86, File 1652) 10.This James Kinkead, a watchmaker, came from Strabane, County Tyrone in Ireland in 1765. He was taxed in Sadsbury in 1765. James’s relationship to John Kinkead and family is not known, but it is probably very close. He is not John Kinkead’s youngest son, James. His business was noted in the newspaper as, “James Kinkead, clock and watchmaker of Strabane in Ireland, but late of Sadsbury Township. Chester County, Pennsylvania, now follows his business at Emmanuel Rouse’s Clock and Watchmaker in Front Street near the drawbridge, Philadelphia.” (Philadelphia Gazette March 14, 1765) 11.Samuel Kinkead was mentioned in his father, John Kinkead’s will. (Will written November 19, 1771, proven November 1771). Heirs documented therein were: wife, Mary, sons John, David, Samuel, Charles, James, and four sons-in-laws: Adam Hope (married to John Kinkead’s daughter Agnes), Thomas Kilpatrick (married ? ), John Simril (married to John Kinkead’s daughter Mary), and Josiah Crawford (married ?). 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Dick, Great info on Irish Keads! We look forward to Phillip's additional family lineage information. His email certainly increases the possibility that there was indeed a family of Kinkeads that originated in Ireland or N. Ireland. We sure hope he will decide to join the Kincaid DNA project as it might prove to be quite valuable. When I did research in Scotland in 1985 I saw of several instances of Kincaid's going to Co. Armagh but they could be different from Phillip's line. Don Kincaid 1427 Eastland, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Kinkead To: Genealogy, KINCAID Cc: philipkathryn@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: Long Line of Kinkeads K-listers, Yet another facet to the story of the origin of the Kincaid name, from an Irish Kinkead! I'll be anxious to find out how far back Philip can trace his -kead line. Rev. Joe, perhaps? I have one of Roger Kinkead's photos and am bidding on one of his works on Ebay right now. Dick Kinkead 2562 Lantana, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip and Kathryn Kinkead To: 'Richard Kinkead' Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: Long Line of Kinkead's Hi Richard, It was very nice to hear from you and read your informative email. I will investigate with my father deeper into our personal family line, but for now I will share with you the information that I know off my head. Dating back as far as we can trace our name back to our family has always resided in the middle of the orchard county of Co.Armagh 'Ard Macha' which is located just south of Lough Neagh. Family names are kept though the generations in our line. My father is named William James Roger Kinkead, his father was William Bradley Kinkead. My Grandfather William Bradley worked all his life in the Linen Mills of Co.Armagh and my father is an Irish Scenic photographer. All of the Kinkead's have been very proud of their Irish culture and this extends today. My grandfather always maintained that our heritage was Irish and not Scotch Irish. The Gaelic Irish for our name is Cinniceid which is very significant. Cinni translates into 'the family name'. Ceid can be translated into '! special field'. You may be aware of the ceide fields of Ireland. There is also a town in Co.Armagh called Keady, translated to 'Ceide'. Therefore my Grandfather said that the story that was passed down to him through history was that the Kinkead's were 'the family who worked the special fields' in ancient times. Today this would just means that they were farmers who had been blest with rich farm lands. This would make sense as Co.Armagh has the most luscious fields in all Ireland. Our family has also been recorded in the earliest recordings of Co.Armagh towns mainly Portadown 'Port na Dun' where I still live. I hope this gives you a brief insight, Kinds Regards, Philip Kinkead 'Pilab Cinniceid' To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I'd be happy to do so, but where is it? Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 10/6/2008 7:51:25 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ccckincaid@netzero.com writes: Dear Ruth, Please post my vetting to the Kincaid Rootsweb list. Thank you. Chuck Kincaid ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4t3HX2jJkPCYQApYN1g6B7AZ5 t7vAlsNSpvCnV4YHFKOLSzc/ To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

Don, If possible you might try finding another line down from William Moore. With lines from 3 sons of John/Margaret (David G #1427, James #18496, and John Jr #83449) all showing the 12, William Moore's line should also show the 12. You will need to find out which generation shows up with an 11 if there was a parallel mutation. Hopefully it is not William Moore because this would put his connection to John/Margaret into question. Vetting 80852 to John/Margaret would demand an unusually high degree of unrefutable documentation to overcome the DNA desparity. The mutation to 12 does not appear at random or in any other Group in the entire project. It is a significant marker. There are only a few in the project who have it and their histories make a connection within a generation or 2 back possible. Neither 18496 nor 83449 are vetted to John/Margaret. This also should be on the to do list for your line. This is important because if they cannot be vetted to John/Margaret and 80852 has information that does make him vettible to them, then it becomes a question whether John/Margaret actually had a 12 at this marker. Another possibility is to have 80852's marker 26 results checked. I do not think any of the results we have had checked show a change but it might be worth a try. A similar situation is encountered by those who have an 11 at marker 4. Before they can connect to a person without this mutation they need to isolate it as a parallel mutation and have excellant documentation for the linkages. Their road is a bit easier because this mutation does show up at random throughout the sets of Group A. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] common ancestor question > Thanks Sue for your input, > > I apologize if I did not let you know that I feel fairly certain that I > have a common ancestor with a member of the Kincaid DNA project the > Kincaid DNA chart shows in A 1a namely # 80852, Charles David Kincaid, who > shows on the Kincaid DNA chart to descend from William Moore Kincaid who > is beyond all doubt the son of John Kincaid, son of Captain John Kincaid > who is my ancestor. Even though 80852 has not been vetted I feel his > lineage information is good considering the fact I spent a lot of time > searching documents, census info and etc and finally found him by starting > with John, son of Captain John, and researching down the lineage trail and > finally determining who his father was and then calling all the Kincaid's > in the phone book in that area eventually getting Charles and finding that > he was indeed the son of David Lee Kincaid, likely descendant of Captain > John. So this creates a mystery as to how his DNA results do not show the > 12 on marker 26 like the rest of us who de! > > scend from Captain John Kincaid and wife Margaret. We do have another > descendant of John, Jr in our project, 83449, John Peter Kincaid who > likely descends from Captain John through John Jr. who does show the 12 at > marker 26. > > We are fortunate to also have a descendant of James Kincaid, son of > Captain John and brother to John, Jr. and David G. #18496, Douglas Kincaid > does show the 12 at marker 26. > > In light of the above which I have not been able to get adequate answers > to explain why 80852 does not have the same result at marker 26 like all > the other descendants of Captain John and Margaret. 80852's line could > have mutated back to the 11 at marker 26 is the best possibility we have > heard. It will be great when 80852 gets his documentation fully developed > and presents it for vetting to eliminate the possibility there is an error > in my research and his info. In the meantime maybe someone will come up > with a different way 80852 has the 11 instead of 12 at marker 26. > > I fully agree with how great it would be to find a descendant of James & > Jean through John/Agnes. We have spent considerable time and effort and > have found some female descendants but no direct male line descendants and > will continue to look for same. We also look forward to a vetting post or > documentation for Deanne and Amon, whose results show the 12 on marker 26 > since they believe descent from David, possible brother to the above > mentioned James/Jean and my most distant ancestor Joseph. > > My 2 closest DNA matches remain 2563, James Elliott Kincaid and 8144 > Michael William Kincaid who on a 37 marker comparison show a 97.28% > probability of having a common ancestor in 8 generations. 2563 shows back > to John the Patriarch of the same time frame as my most distant ancestor > Joseph however we have not been able to trace 8144's lineage back to that > same time frame. We are still working on 8144 lineage in hopes of > extending it back to the same time period as said John and Joseph. > Because of the extensive research and paperwork we have on Joseph's > descendants, we are confident that 8144 does not descend from Joseph > however with the 97.28% it looks like a common ancestor with both 2563 and > 8144 should be found in 1 or 2 generations above Joseph. > > My next closest DNA matches based on 37 markers (37 is used since not all > have done the 67) show 88 to 89% probability and consist of the 11 > participants who make up the Apparent Ancestral Values shown in the > Kincaid DNA chart as all in A 1a plus the other descendants of Joseph > mentioned above in A 1b and the 2 who trace back to John of Sadsbury, > namely 37382 & 119921, also shown in A 1b. Another participant, 11207, in > A 1b who has the 12 on marker 26 shows to be more distant. Based on the > DNA results and accompanying statistical info outlined here I believe I am > just as likely to have a common ancestor with any of the 11 who show the > Apparent Ancestral Values as I am to those with the 12 at marker 26 except > for 2563 and 8144. I have great faith in the scientific correctness of > Family Tree DNA's work. I am concentrating on extending 8144 lineage info > more than anything but keeping my eyes open for new info on all the above. > > Don W. Kincaid > #1427, Group A, Set 1b Kincaid DNA Project > Eastland, Texas, USA > > Hugh Alvin Kincaid, died 1989 & Flora Elizabeth Branscum > Hugh Allen Kincaid, died 1922 & Louisa Short > David Greer Kincaid, died 1798 & Betty Allen > William Moore Kincaid, died 1870? & Druscilla > David Greer Kincaid, died 1840 & Isabel Rogers > John Kincaid d. 1792 & Margaret Jane? Lockhart? > Joseph Kincaid/Kinkead died 1774 & ? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Liedtke > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] common ancestor question > > > Don, I hope the ones you are concentrating on are all in A-1b as all of > the > mutations except the one at marker 26 (DYS 460) appear to be downline > from > your common ancestor with them. A connection to someone in A-1a before > connecting to your set mates would mean parallel mutations to12 at marker > 26 > and it doesn't look like that happened. > > The other line of research that might be fruitful is to spend time > pursuing > a descendent of John/Agnes because of his burial in the same cemetary as > your John in Madison Co. KY and the circumstantial evidence that suggests > he > was the second son of James/Jean d 1763 Albemarle Co. VA > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:44 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] common ancestor question > > > > The statistical tools provided by FTDNA are the only way I know for > sure > > to calculate scientifically the weight or value of the various markers. > It > > has been shown that some markers do not change the likelihood of having > a > > common ancestor as much as other markers do. We all know the faster > > mutating markers do not have as much weight as the slow mutating > markers > > but there is also a difference in weight between the individual fast > > mutating markers as well as the individual slow mutating markers. So if > a > > participant wants to really zero in on his closest dna matches where > the > > match is not a 100 percent match, the only tool to my knowledge that > will > > do this with accuracy is the FTDNA values built into the statistical > > percentages for each marker. > > > > We had movers move our furniture and etc yesterday and still in a rush > to > > get things in order and in my haste when I mentioned the various DNA > tools > > I meant to mention the Fluxus chart done by Peter which also has value > and > > is another way to look at the results. Fluxus may also take into > > consideration the different values of the markers but I have not delved > > into the mechanics of how it works. > > > > It has been a good while since I had a college course in statistical > > analysis but I do believe if you want to determine the most accurate > > assessment of your relationship with other participants, the FTDNA > > statistical tools are valuable. For instance in my case I have 15 > Kincaid > > participants I show to match on 36 of 37 of the markers but the > likelihood > > of having a common ancestor varies with which marker I do not match on > so > > for 8 generations the participant with the different marker with the > most > > weight given to it shows a likelihood of 89.14% while the participant > with > > the lowest likelihood shows 87.40%. For my 35 of 37 matches the 8 > > generation figures vary from a high of 72.77% down to a low of 67.40% > > which is a 7.97% difference. I am thus putting more time and money into > > research on the participants who are in the higher percentages. Now I > > admit I may be a wee bit more Scottish in money matters than some of > you! > > > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Peter A. Kincaid > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] common ancestor question > > > > > > I have never paid much attention to the statistical tools > > given by FTDNA, etc. They really don't help much > > as you can't prove anything with them. Simply look > > to your exact and really close matches and use that > > as a guide to where to focus your research. > > > > Peter > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

These marriages were performed by Joseph P. Howe, taken from his Journal in Montgomery County, KY Mary Kincaid m Theophilus Braken Jan 16 1800 Mary Kincaid m John Caldwell Mar 13 1800 Thomas Kincaid m Mary Bracker Mar 13 1800 Ann Kincaid m James Johnston Sep 1801 Thomas Kincaid m Abigale Hirons Sep 25 1802 George Kincaid m Johannah Morris Baldwin Nov 23 1802 Andrew Kincaid m Ann Patterson Cadwell Aug 13 1807 Joseph Kincaid m Nancy Rogers Sep 12 1822 Came across these Kincaids while searching for my Yocom Family, Hope someone can use this. Shirley **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

Perhaps following the Patton family who were related to Edward Clingan would yield useful information. Here is a posting by Dr. David Agricola, researcher of the Pattons families in the U.S., about the Patton family of Hamilton Bann Township. Edward Clingan's first wife, before he married Jennet Kincaid, was Elizabeth Patton, daughter of a John Patton. It appears that the Patton-McCracken-Adams- Clingan families of Hamiltonbann Twp., York Co intermarried extensively and moved to the same area of Washington Co Tenn in the 1780's. http://my.stratos.net/~dvagricola/tenn.51.html (Washington Co, TN in the 1780's was probably considered to be part of North Carolina.) *********** Capt. Thomas Clingan's Company, Aug through Oct 1782. Sgt Anthony PATTON. [Anthony was born about 1759, brother to John Patton Jr, both sons of John Patton Sr of Hamiltonbann Twp. John Jr married Elizabeth Clingan, sister to Thomas Clingan. Both John and Anthony P moved to Washington Co Tenn.] http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Clingan::patton::4605.html "I'm researching the EDWARD CLINGAN family, born 1750 in PA, married ELIZABETH PATTON in 1774. Their daughter, ELIZABETH CLINGAN married JAMES COWAN in Meigs County Tenn c 1800. " Barb Van Hout ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Clingan family in Pennsylvania > Hamilton Bann Township, (then York County, PA) now Adams County, PA, > borders Franklin County, PA and is closer to Hamilton Township, Franklin > County and Chambersburg than it is to Carlisle. Group C Kincaids inhabit > Hamilton Township, Franklin County. Michael Kinkead and Robert Kinkead > inhabit Hamilton Bann Township. My inclination for their possible DNA > would be group A, since I believe Michael Kinkead and Robert Kinkead came > from West Caln and would more likely provide a Group A sample. I could be > wrong, they could be Group C. But so far no Group C Kinkead has traced > back to Chester County, PA. The Clingans do trace back to Chester County, > PA. Just some food for genealogical thought. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 9:25:33 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] Clingan family in Pennsylvania > > Bruce's question about the divergence in DNA between Thomas Kinkead who > married Hannah Clingen and John Kinkead Jr. son of John Kinkead the > Merchant of Carlisle prompted me to assemble some information on the > Clingan family in Pennsylvania. This is not complete but it gives some > indications of where Group C comes into play in this scenario. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > Clingan family in Pennsylvania > > Posted by Sue Maxwell, Dec. 6, 1999, Clingan Genforum. George Clingan, > 1720-1778, York County, PA. > > Researching William Clingan b. 1725 d. 9 May 1790 Chester Co., Pa. m. 1st > Catherine (2) Rachel (?) Robison, Thomas Clingan b. 1722 d. 14 Oct 1788 m. > 14 Aug 1752 Margaret Greer McFarland. His children were; William m. Jane > Roan, Mary m. James Scott, George, & Jannet m. James Simson. > George Clingan b. abt 1720 d. Apr 1778 m. abt 1749 Margaret Kirkpatrick, > dau of Hugh Kirkpatrick. His children were; Edward m. 1st Elizabeth Patton > 2nd Jeanette Kincaid, Mary m. Samuel Wilson, Margaret, Hannah m.. Thomas > Kincaid, Elizabeth m. John Patton II, Thomas m. Elizabeth McLean, > Catherine m. Levi McLain & David m. Jane. > > > Assembled by Norman Kincaide > > 1771 George Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for > 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. > 17, p.. 87. > 1771 Thomas Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for > 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. > 17, p.. 87. > 1779 Thomas Clinger taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for > 353 acres, 6 horses, 9 cows, tax 107.19.4. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. > 21, p. 135. > 1779 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for > 200 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows, > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 176. > 1779 Thomas Kinkead [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, > PA for 1 cow. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. > 1779 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, > PA for 1 horse, 1 cow. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. > 1779 Edward Clingan, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April 28, > 1779, Cumberland Township, York County,PA. > 1779 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April > 28, 1779, Cumberland Township, York County,PA. > 1780 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for > 200 acres, 3 horses, 2 cows, > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 312. > 1780 Thomas Kincaide [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland > County, PA for 1 horse. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 314. > 1780 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, > PA for 1 horse, 1 cow. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p.. 314. > 1780 John Kinkaid, [16596] freeman, taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland > County, PA. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 316. > 1780 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for > 353 acres, 2 negroes, 6 horses, 9 cows, tax 98.18.6. Pennsylvania > Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 280. > 1781 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for > 4 horses, 4 cows. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 2o, p. 438. > 1781 John Kincaide [16596] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, > PA for 1 horse, 1 cow. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. > 1781 Thomas Kincaid [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, > PA for 2 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. > 1781 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 5 > horses, 4 cows, tax 1.7.11. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 382. > 1781 Thomas Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for > 353 acres, 9 horeses, 7 cows, tax 17.5.11. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. > 21, p. 382. > 1782 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 3 > horses, 4 cows, tax 1.10.0. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 600. > 1782 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for > 353 acres, 5 horeses, 6 cows, tax 32.0.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. > 21, p. 600. > 1783 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 6 > horses, 14 cows. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 729. > 1783 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for > 354 acres, 8 horeses, 2 cows. > Pennsylvania Archives, s.. 3, v. 21, p. 729. > 1787 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Godrey Lenhart, 2E, p. 103, Oct.. 1, > 1787, Hamilton Bann, Township, York County, PA. > > 1789 William Clingan, Chester County, PA. Will written, Feb. 12, 1789, > proved, May 13, 1790. > > All lands in Chester County to be sold. Provides for wife, not named, and > to her daughter Martha 15 pounds at 18, and to the 5 sons of my wife 3 > pounds each at 18. To Hannah Foster, widow, 15 pounds. To Rev. George > Duffield of Philadelphia, 15 pounds. To Catherine Mustard Caramichael 15 > pounds > at 18. To William Scott, Esq. of York and his brother Patrick Scott 20 > pounds each. To Edward Clingan, son of brother George, 100 pounds, also > 200 acres of Donation land in Westmoreland County. To Thomas Clingan, > Esq.. York County, his penal bill for 94 pounds, 16 shillings & 5 and 70 > pounds cash. To David Clingan of York County, 100 pounds. To Mary, wife of > Samuel Wilson and daughter of brother George, 120 pounds. To 3 daughters > of brother George, Hannah, Betsey, and Catherine 25 pounds each. To > William Clingan of Donegal, 200 pounds. To Dr. George Clingan 200 pounds, > and to Jenny Clingan, their sister, 200 pounds. To the son and daughter of > James Scott, being my brother Thomas’ grandchildren, 10 pounds each at 18. > To Elizabeth Haris, wife of John Templeton, 120 pounds. To John Mooney and > his sister Margaret 25 pounds each. To William Davidson of W. Caln 12 > pounds in trust for building our graveyard wall. Remainder to William > Clingan of Donegal and George, his brother, and Thomas Clingan of York > County. Executors: wife Rachel, nephew William Clingan, William Haslett, > Esq. No record of letters. Witnesses: Peter Whitacker, Joseph > Ash. Wills of Chester County, PA, 1778-1800, p. 175-176.. > > 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Benjamin Reid, 2G, p. 129, Jan.. 31, > 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1791 David Clingan, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241, April 27, 1791, > Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241, April > 27, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1791 George Clingan, grantee, to Thomas Clingan, 2G, p. 249, April 29, > 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April > 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April 29, > 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1793 Elizabeth Clingan grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, > 1793, release. > 1793 George Clingan, grantor, John Ray, 2I, p. 299, Dec. 5, 1793, Hamilton > Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1793 George Clingan, grantee, to Elizabeth Clingan, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, > 1793, release > 1793 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to John Ray, 2I, p. 297, Dec. 5, 1793, > Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1793 Thomas Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. > 5, 1793, release. > 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 42, June 7, 1794, > release. > 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, > 1794, agreement. > 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, > 1794, agreement. > 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 133, Sept.. 5, 1794, > assignment. > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That would be interesting. Unfortunately, my Thomas appears in Tennessee as a lone Kincaid, so I don't have the advantage that some groups do. Bruce ---- Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> wrote: > It would be really good if we could trace down a descendent of Thomas d 1751 > Augusta Co. > > His proven son William/Agnes wrote his Augusta Co. will 1827 naming sons > Robert (who had a son Guy Hamilton), William, John, Thomas, and Archibald. I > suspect he would be A-1 but with C-2 Kincaids in the area during the same > time frame there is always a possibility he belonged to that family. > > Guy Hamilton seems to have been Robert's only son. He is listed in 1850 as > age 48 laborer and is a household with 30 other unrelated people so probably > did not marry or have children. > > Archibald appears to be the Archibald who m Sarah Noland. Their only son, > William, died at age 18 without children. > > Thomas m Sarah Gwinn d 1844 on the Jackson River. I know he had a son David > who inherited his grandfather Gwin's Jackson River land. Sarah may be in the > 1850 census with some of her children. > > William. Can't remember who we determined he was. > > John. Not sure who he is. It is possible that John b 1812 m Mary A about > 1824 is from this line. This John would not be a son of William but could be > a Grandson. He lived in Deerfield which is very near the land Thomas d 1851 > bought on the Great Calfpasture. This John is the ancestor of Travis Kincaid > who was trying to find his roots before his grandfather died in 2003. While > the connection isn't proven we know that William/Agnes's John was around in > 1812 as he took delivery that year for the land William/Agnes bought and > seems to have a continued presence near Deerfield. > > Another possible son to Thomas d 1851 is Thomas the Blacksmith who m > Isabella Kincaid, dau. of John of Bath. #1257 in A-1a is a probable > descendent. Though not vetted this line claims descent from Archibald m > Rachel Hicklin. Thomas the Blacksmith bought land from Rbt Gwinn adj. tract > of William & Thomas Kincaid in 1772. This land was Great Calf Pasture tract > 16. The land Thomas d 1851 was on which was sold to son William was tract > 17. > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <btea93059@tx.rr.com>; <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid/Clingan > > > I am still in the job search and hence have a lot of time to do research. > Your concern about the DNA sample from your line and the Clingan research > have concerned me also. I found it strange that Bill's sample matches the > Group C Kincaids. His Thomas Kinkead who married Hannah would have to come > from a Group C line about 1745. I would look to Virginia or perhaps the > Thomas Kincaid of Lancaster County, PA, later of Augusta County, VA, died in > 1751. But that still does not capture your Clingan connection. I'll keep my > eyes open for anything that may provide a connection. > > Sincerely > Norm Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "btea93059@tx.rr.com" <btea93059@tx.rr.com> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Cc: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:01:09 PM > Subject: Kincaid/Clingan > > Norm > You seem to still be doing lots of research and I remember something about > you were looking for another job. Is that still the situation? > > As you probably know, I've never been fully satisfied with the Clingan > research linked to my Thomas Kincaid of Anderson County, Tenn.. Secondly, > I'm not satisfied that our representative DNA sample has a proven > line--sorry Bill, it's not your fault. However, because our sample does fall > in nicely with Group C, the same as Alice's line, there seems to be > something there worth pursuing. > > So if you can, keep your eyes peeled for anything in this regard. > > Bruce > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks norm, that's great. And I believe there's a little more I could throw in to sweeten it up a little. Bruce ---- Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> wrote: > Bruce's question about the divergence in DNA between Thomas Kinkead who married Hannah Clingen and John Kinkead Jr. son of John Kinkead the Merchant of Carlisle prompted me to assemble some information on the Clingan family in Pennsylvania.  This is not complete but it gives some indications of where Group C comes into play in this scenario. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Clingan family in Pennsylvania Posted by Sue Maxwell, Dec. 6, 1999, Clingan Genforum.  George Clingan, 1720-1778, York County, PA. Researching William Clingan b. 1725 d. 9 May 1790 Chester Co., Pa. m. 1st Catherine (2) Rachel (?) Robison, Thomas Clingan b. 1722 d. 14 Oct 1788 m. 14 Aug 1752 Margaret Greer McFarland. His children were; William m. Jane Roan, Mary m. James Scott, George, & Jannet m. James Simson. George Clingan b. abt 1720 d. Apr 1778 m. abt 1749 Margaret Kirkpatrick, dau of Hugh Kirkpatrick. His children were; Edward m. 1st Elizabeth Patton 2nd Jeanette Kincaid, Mary m. Samuel Wilson, Margaret, Hannah m. Thomas Kincaid, Elizabeth m. John Patton II, Thomas m. Elizabeth McLean, Catherine m. Levi McLain & David m. Jane. Assembled by Norman Kincaide 1771 George Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax             1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 17, p. 87. 1771 Thomas Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax             1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 17, p. 87. 1779 Thomas Clinger taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 6 horses, 9 cows, tax             107.19.4. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 135. 1779 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 200 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows,          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 176. 1779 Thomas Kinkead [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 cow.  Pennsylvania             Archives,  s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. 1779 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. 1779 Edward Clingan, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April 28, 1779, Cumberland Township, York                 County,PA. 1779 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April 28, 1779, Cumberland Township, York         County,PA. 1780 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 2 cows,          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 312. 1780 Thomas Kincaide [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 314. 1780 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.                          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 314. 1780 John Kinkaid, [16596] freeman, taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA. Pennsylvania                     Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 316. 1780 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 2 negroes, 6 horses, 9         cows, tax 98.18.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 280. 1781 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 4 horses, 4 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 2o, p. 438. 1781 John Kincaide [16596] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.           Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. 1781 Thomas Kincaid [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 2 cows. Pennsylvania             Archives,  s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. 1781 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 5 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.7.11.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 382. 1781 Thomas Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 9 horeses, 7 cows, tax         17.5.11. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 382. 1782 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 3 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.10.0.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 600. 1782 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 5 horeses, 6 cows, tax         32.0.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 600. 1783 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 6 horses, 14 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 729. 1783 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 354 acres, 8 horeses, 2 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 729. 1787 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Godrey Lenhart, 2E, p. 103, Oct.. 1, 1787, Hamilton Bann, Township, York County, PA. 1789 William Clingan, Chester County, PA.  Will written, Feb. 12, 1789, proved, May 13, 1790.  All lands in Chester County to be sold.  Provides for wife, not named, and to her daughter Martha 15 pounds at 18, and to the 5 sons of my wife 3 pounds  each at 18.  To Hannah Foster, widow, 15 pounds.  To Rev. George Duffield of Philadelphia, 15 pounds.  To Catherine Mustard Caramichael 15 pounds  at 18.  To William Scott, Esq. of York and his brother Patrick Scott 20 pounds each.  To Edward Clingan, son of brother George, 100 pounds, also 200 acres of Donation land in Westmoreland County.  To Thomas Clingan, Esq.. York County, his penal bill for 94 pounds, 16 shillings & 5 and 70 pounds  cash.  To David Clingan of York County, 100 pounds.  To Mary, wife of Samuel Wilson and daughter of brother George, 120 pounds.  To 3 daughters of  brother George, Hannah, Betsey, and Catherine 25 pounds each.  To William Clingan of Donegal, 200 pounds.  To Dr. George Clingan 200 pounds, and  to Jenny Clingan, their sister, 200 pounds. To the son and daughter of James Scott, being my brother Thomas’ grandchildren, 10 pounds each at 18.  To Elizabeth Haris, wife of John Templeton, 120 pounds.  To John Mooney and his sister Margaret 25 pounds each.  To William Davidson of W. Caln 12 pounds in trust for building our graveyard wall.  Remainder to William Clingan of Donegal and George, his brother, and Thomas Clingan of  York County.  Executors: wife Rachel, nephew William Clingan, William Haslett, Esq.  No record of letters.  Witnesses: Peter Whitacker, Joseph  Ash.  Wills of Chester County, PA, 1778-1800, p. 175-176.. 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Benjamin Reid, 2G, p. 129, Jan.. 31, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 David Clingan, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241,  April 27, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241, April 27, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, grantee, to Thomas Clingan, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 Elizabeth Clingan grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release. 1793 George Clingan, grantor, John Ray, 2I, p. 299, Dec. 5, 1793, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 George Clingan, grantee, to Elizabeth Clingan, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release 1793 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to John Ray, 2I, p. 297, Dec. 5, 1793, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 Thomas Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 42, June 7, 1794, release. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, 1794, agreement. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, 1794, agreement. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, 1794, assignment. 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129678 is my husbands number. He received a phone call from Don today and I understand someone will contact us by email for information. On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> wrote: > The rest of the results for 128809 have been returned. He does not match > any > other Kincaid in the project. Since his surname is not Kincaid he will join > the Possible Connections catagory. > > The first 12 markers for 129770 and 129678 have been returned. They both > match the Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A exactly. > > 129770 has sent a vetting post to the list which is now in its final week > before (if there are no further objections or questions) I mark it as > vetted. Descent is claimed from Mathew Kincaid b 1807/8 VA d after 1860 IA. > He appears in Marion Co. IN in 1850. A possible father for this Mathew is > Francis Kincaid, son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid. Vettible proof has > not been found to support the connection to Francis. > > Contacting 129678 has been unsuccessful. > > Sue Liedtke > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Eadgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hamilton Bann Township, (then York County, PA) now Adams County, PA, borders Franklin County, PA and is closer to Hamilton Township, Franklin County and Chambersburg than it is to Carlisle.  Group C Kincaids inhabit Hamilton Township, Franklin County.  Michael Kinkead and Robert Kinkead inhabit Hamilton Bann Township.  My inclination for their possible DNA would be group A, since I believe Michael Kinkead and Robert Kinkead came from West Caln and would more likely provide a Group A sample.  I could be wrong, they could be Group C.  But so far no Group C Kinkead has traced back to Chester County, PA.  The Clingans do trace back to Chester County, PA.  Just some food for genealogical thought. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 9:25:33 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Clingan family in Pennsylvania Bruce's question about the divergence in DNA between Thomas Kinkead who married Hannah Clingen and John Kinkead Jr. son of John Kinkead the Merchant of Carlisle prompted me to assemble some information on the Clingan family in Pennsylvania.  This is not complete but it gives some indications of where Group C comes into play in this scenario. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Clingan family in Pennsylvania Posted by Sue Maxwell, Dec. 6, 1999, Clingan Genforum.  George Clingan, 1720-1778, York County, PA. Researching William Clingan b. 1725 d. 9 May 1790 Chester Co., Pa. m. 1st Catherine (2) Rachel (?) Robison, Thomas Clingan b. 1722 d. 14 Oct 1788 m. 14 Aug 1752 Margaret Greer McFarland. His children were; William m. Jane Roan, Mary m. James Scott, George, & Jannet m. James Simson. George Clingan b. abt 1720 d. Apr 1778 m. abt 1749 Margaret Kirkpatrick, dau of Hugh Kirkpatrick. His children were; Edward m. 1st Elizabeth Patton 2nd Jeanette Kincaid, Mary m. Samuel Wilson, Margaret, Hannah m.. Thomas Kincaid, Elizabeth m. John Patton II, Thomas m. Elizabeth McLean, Catherine m. Levi McLain & David m. Jane. Assembled by Norman Kincaide 1771 George Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax             1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 17, p.. 87. 1771 Thomas Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax             1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 17, p.. 87. 1779 Thomas Clinger taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 6 horses, 9 cows, tax             107.19.4. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 135. 1779 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 200 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows,          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 176. 1779 Thomas Kinkead [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 cow.  Pennsylvania             Archives,  s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. 1779 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. 1779 Edward Clingan, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April 28, 1779, Cumberland Township, York                 County,PA. 1779 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April 28, 1779, Cumberland Township, York         County,PA. 1780 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 2 cows,          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 312. 1780 Thomas Kincaide [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 314. 1780 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.                          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p.. 314. 1780 John Kinkaid, [16596] freeman, taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA. Pennsylvania                     Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 316. 1780 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 2 negroes, 6 horses, 9         cows, tax 98.18.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 280. 1781 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 4 horses, 4 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 2o, p. 438. 1781 John Kincaide [16596] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.           Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. 1781 Thomas Kincaid [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 2 cows. Pennsylvania             Archives,  s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. 1781 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 5 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.7.11.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 382. 1781 Thomas Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 9 horeses, 7 cows, tax         17.5.11. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 382. 1782 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 3 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.10.0.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 600. 1782 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 5 horeses, 6 cows, tax         32.0.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 600. 1783 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 6 horses, 14 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 729. 1783 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 354 acres, 8 horeses, 2 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s.. 3, v. 21, p. 729. 1787 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Godrey Lenhart, 2E, p. 103, Oct.. 1, 1787, Hamilton Bann, Township, York County, PA. 1789 William Clingan, Chester County, PA.  Will written, Feb. 12, 1789, proved, May 13, 1790.  All lands in Chester County to be sold.  Provides for wife, not named, and to her daughter Martha 15 pounds at 18, and to the 5 sons of my wife 3 pounds  each at 18.  To Hannah Foster, widow, 15 pounds.  To Rev. George Duffield of Philadelphia, 15 pounds.  To Catherine Mustard Caramichael 15 pounds  at 18.  To William Scott, Esq. of York and his brother Patrick Scott 20 pounds each.  To Edward Clingan, son of brother George, 100 pounds, also 200 acres of Donation land in Westmoreland County.  To Thomas Clingan, Esq.. York County, his penal bill for 94 pounds, 16 shillings & 5 and 70 pounds  cash.  To David Clingan of York County, 100 pounds.  To Mary, wife of Samuel Wilson and daughter of brother George, 120 pounds.  To 3 daughters of  brother George, Hannah, Betsey, and Catherine 25 pounds each.  To William Clingan of Donegal, 200 pounds.  To Dr. George Clingan 200 pounds, and  to Jenny Clingan, their sister, 200 pounds. To the son and daughter of James Scott, being my brother Thomas’ grandchildren, 10 pounds each at 18.  To Elizabeth Haris, wife of John Templeton, 120 pounds.  To John Mooney and his sister Margaret 25 pounds each.  To William Davidson of W. Caln 12 pounds in trust for building our graveyard wall.  Remainder to William Clingan of Donegal and George, his brother, and Thomas Clingan of  York County.  Executors: wife Rachel, nephew William Clingan, William Haslett, Esq.  No record of letters.  Witnesses: Peter Whitacker, Joseph  Ash.  Wills of Chester County, PA, 1778-1800, p. 175-176.. 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Benjamin Reid, 2G, p. 129, Jan.. 31, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 David Clingan, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241,  April 27, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241, April 27, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, grantee, to Thomas Clingan, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 Elizabeth Clingan grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release. 1793 George Clingan, grantor, John Ray, 2I, p. 299, Dec. 5, 1793, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 George Clingan, grantee, to Elizabeth Clingan, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release 1793 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to John Ray, 2I, p. 297, Dec. 5, 1793, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 Thomas Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 42, June 7, 1794, release. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, 1794, agreement. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, 1794, agreement. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 133, Sept.. 5, 1794, assignment.       To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bruce's question about the divergence in DNA between Thomas Kinkead who married Hannah Clingen and John Kinkead Jr. son of John Kinkead the Merchant of Carlisle prompted me to assemble some information on the Clingan family in Pennsylvania.  This is not complete but it gives some indications of where Group C comes into play in this scenario. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Clingan family in Pennsylvania Posted by Sue Maxwell, Dec. 6, 1999, Clingan Genforum.  George Clingan, 1720-1778, York County, PA. Researching William Clingan b. 1725 d. 9 May 1790 Chester Co., Pa. m. 1st Catherine (2) Rachel (?) Robison, Thomas Clingan b. 1722 d. 14 Oct 1788 m. 14 Aug 1752 Margaret Greer McFarland. His children were; William m. Jane Roan, Mary m. James Scott, George, & Jannet m. James Simson. George Clingan b. abt 1720 d. Apr 1778 m. abt 1749 Margaret Kirkpatrick, dau of Hugh Kirkpatrick. His children were; Edward m. 1st Elizabeth Patton 2nd Jeanette Kincaid, Mary m. Samuel Wilson, Margaret, Hannah m. Thomas Kincaid, Elizabeth m. John Patton II, Thomas m. Elizabeth McLean, Catherine m. Levi McLain & David m. Jane. Assembled by Norman Kincaide 1771 George Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax             1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 17, p. 87. 1771 Thomas Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax             1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 17, p. 87. 1779 Thomas Clinger taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 6 horses, 9 cows, tax             107.19.4. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 135. 1779 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 200 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows,          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 176. 1779 Thomas Kinkead [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 cow.  Pennsylvania             Archives,  s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. 1779 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. 1779 Edward Clingan, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April 28, 1779, Cumberland Township, York                 County,PA. 1779 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April 28, 1779, Cumberland Township, York         County,PA. 1780 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 2 cows,          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 312. 1780 Thomas Kincaide [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 314. 1780 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.                          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 314. 1780 John Kinkaid, [16596] freeman, taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA. Pennsylvania                     Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 316. 1780 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 2 negroes, 6 horses, 9         cows, tax 98.18.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 280. 1781 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 4 horses, 4 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 2o, p. 438. 1781 John Kincaide [16596] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.           Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. 1781 Thomas Kincaid [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 2 cows. Pennsylvania             Archives,  s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. 1781 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 5 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.7.11.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 382. 1781 Thomas Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 9 horeses, 7 cows, tax         17.5.11. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 382. 1782 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 3 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.10.0.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 600. 1782 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 5 horeses, 6 cows, tax         32.0.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 600. 1783 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 6 horses, 14 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 729. 1783 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 354 acres, 8 horeses, 2 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 729. 1787 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Godrey Lenhart, 2E, p. 103, Oct.. 1, 1787, Hamilton Bann, Township, York County, PA. 1789 William Clingan, Chester County, PA.  Will written, Feb. 12, 1789, proved, May 13, 1790.  All lands in Chester County to be sold.  Provides for wife, not named, and to her daughter Martha 15 pounds at 18, and to the 5 sons of my wife 3 pounds  each at 18.  To Hannah Foster, widow, 15 pounds.  To Rev. George Duffield of Philadelphia, 15 pounds.  To Catherine Mustard Caramichael 15 pounds  at 18.  To William Scott, Esq. of York and his brother Patrick Scott 20 pounds each.  To Edward Clingan, son of brother George, 100 pounds, also 200 acres of Donation land in Westmoreland County.  To Thomas Clingan, Esq.. York County, his penal bill for 94 pounds, 16 shillings & 5 and 70 pounds  cash.  To David Clingan of York County, 100 pounds.  To Mary, wife of Samuel Wilson and daughter of brother George, 120 pounds.  To 3 daughters of  brother George, Hannah, Betsey, and Catherine 25 pounds each.  To William Clingan of Donegal, 200 pounds.  To Dr. George Clingan 200 pounds, and  to Jenny Clingan, their sister, 200 pounds. To the son and daughter of James Scott, being my brother Thomas’ grandchildren, 10 pounds each at 18.  To Elizabeth Haris, wife of John Templeton, 120 pounds.  To John Mooney and his sister Margaret 25 pounds each.  To William Davidson of W. Caln 12 pounds in trust for building our graveyard wall.  Remainder to William Clingan of Donegal and George, his brother, and Thomas Clingan of  York County.  Executors: wife Rachel, nephew William Clingan, William Haslett, Esq.  No record of letters.  Witnesses: Peter Whitacker, Joseph  Ash.  Wills of Chester County, PA, 1778-1800, p. 175-176.. 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Benjamin Reid, 2G, p. 129, Jan.. 31, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 David Clingan, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241,  April 27, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241, April 27, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, grantee, to Thomas Clingan, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 Elizabeth Clingan grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release. 1793 George Clingan, grantor, John Ray, 2I, p. 299, Dec. 5, 1793, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 George Clingan, grantee, to Elizabeth Clingan, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release 1793 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to John Ray, 2I, p. 297, Dec. 5, 1793, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 Thomas Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 42, June 7, 1794, release. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, 1794, agreement. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, 1794, agreement. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, 1794, assignment.

The rest of the results for 128809 have been returned. He does not match any other Kincaid in the project. Since his surname is not Kincaid he will join the Possible Connections catagory. The first 12 markers for 129770 and 129678 have been returned. They both match the Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A exactly. 129770 has sent a vetting post to the list which is now in its final week before (if there are no further objections or questions) I mark it as vetted. Descent is claimed from Mathew Kincaid b 1807/8 VA d after 1860 IA. He appears in Marion Co. IN in 1850. A possible father for this Mathew is Francis Kincaid, son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid. Vettible proof has not been found to support the connection to Francis. Contacting 129678 has been unsuccessful. Sue Liedtke

It would be really good if we could trace down a descendent of Thomas d 1751 Augusta Co. His proven son William/Agnes wrote his Augusta Co. will 1827 naming sons Robert (who had a son Guy Hamilton), William, John, Thomas, and Archibald. I suspect he would be A-1 but with C-2 Kincaids in the area during the same time frame there is always a possibility he belonged to that family. Guy Hamilton seems to have been Robert's only son. He is listed in 1850 as age 48 laborer and is a household with 30 other unrelated people so probably did not marry or have children. Archibald appears to be the Archibald who m Sarah Noland. Their only son, William, died at age 18 without children. Thomas m Sarah Gwinn d 1844 on the Jackson River. I know he had a son David who inherited his grandfather Gwin's Jackson River land. Sarah may be in the 1850 census with some of her children. William. Can't remember who we determined he was. John. Not sure who he is. It is possible that John b 1812 m Mary A about 1824 is from this line. This John would not be a son of William but could be a Grandson. He lived in Deerfield which is very near the land Thomas d 1851 bought on the Great Calfpasture. This John is the ancestor of Travis Kincaid who was trying to find his roots before his grandfather died in 2003. While the connection isn't proven we know that William/Agnes's John was around in 1812 as he took delivery that year for the land William/Agnes bought and seems to have a continued presence near Deerfield. Another possible son to Thomas d 1851 is Thomas the Blacksmith who m Isabella Kincaid, dau. of John of Bath. #1257 in A-1a is a probable descendent. Though not vetted this line claims descent from Archibald m Rachel Hicklin. Thomas the Blacksmith bought land from Rbt Gwinn adj. tract of William & Thomas Kincaid in 1772. This land was Great Calf Pasture tract 16. The land Thomas d 1851 was on which was sold to son William was tract 17. Sue Liedtke . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <btea93059@tx.rr.com>; <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid/Clingan I am still in the job search and hence have a lot of time to do research. Your concern about the DNA sample from your line and the Clingan research have concerned me also. I found it strange that Bill's sample matches the Group C Kincaids. His Thomas Kinkead who married Hannah would have to come from a Group C line about 1745. I would look to Virginia or perhaps the Thomas Kincaid of Lancaster County, PA, later of Augusta County, VA, died in 1751. But that still does not capture your Clingan connection. I'll keep my eyes open for anything that may provide a connection. Sincerely Norm Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: "btea93059@tx.rr.com" <btea93059@tx.rr.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Cc: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:01:09 PM Subject: Kincaid/Clingan Norm You seem to still be doing lots of research and I remember something about you were looking for another job. Is that still the situation? As you probably know, I've never been fully satisfied with the Clingan research linked to my Thomas Kincaid of Anderson County, Tenn.. Secondly, I'm not satisfied that our representative DNA sample has a proven line--sorry Bill, it's not your fault. However, because our sample does fall in nicely with Group C, the same as Alice's line, there seems to be something there worth pursuing. So if you can, keep your eyes peeled for anything in this regard. Bruce To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message

Teresa, if his results come back A-2b you are in the same Kincaid family, however you would need to show a connection to KY to be really closely connected to any of that branch. Your TN connection might indicate a closer connection to 1259 and 51828 as TN was a NC frontier. It is interesting that 51826 was in Campbell Co. TN in 1814 and your Andrew ended up in Cole Co. MO. There was a large group of Campbell Co. residents who migrated to Cole Co. in the 1818-20 time frame. This may be a total coincidence but may also indicate that there was some contact with with the early Cole Co. settlers from Campbell Co. It might be worth exploring a possibility that your Andrew/Martha Miller and 51828's David/Lucy McCormick were brothers or cousins. As a side issue. Your Martha Miller was not the daughter of my James Miller/Elizabeth Kincaid who were a part of that migration from Campbell Co. to Cole Co. and your Andrew was not a member of the same Kincaid family as Elizabeth (her brother Andrew's line is 55675 A-1c). I don't know all of the Miller family related to James so there is a possibility of a connection there but Miller is a very common name. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Kincaid" <tesscaid@columbus.rr.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fw: Vetting for Thomas M. Kincaid > This is very interesting because Andrew and Thomas M. are both names used > in > my line. > > Teresa Kincaid > DNA 17719 set A2b >