Correct me if I am wrong but none of the Group A participants with roots outside United States match set 1a marker values. Is this not clearly relevant? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Don W. Kincaid To: Kincaid Rootsweb List Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: [KINCAID] 67 marker DNA test analysis & info on The Gathering ofthe Clans in Scotland Since we have received several questions about possibly upgrading to 67 markers on the DNA test, we did a review of the 67 marker results to date. It appears the 67 marker test is of little value unless you want to do it for your descendants or have a close match you want to further define, at least for Group A. Group A has a total of 24 who have done the 67 marker test. Of those 24, 15 of them have identical results for the 38 through 67 marker series broken down as follows: Group A Set 1a: 5 tests 5 identical results (AAV for Group A) Group A Set 1b: 6 tests 4 identical results to 1a Group A Set 1c: 2 tests 1 identical results to 1a Group A Set 2a: 6 tests 3 identical results to 1a Group A Set 2b: 3 tests 2 identical results to 1a Group A Set 4 2 tests 0 identical results to 1a Group A as a whole has 62.5% who have identical results for the 38 through 67 markers which seems to me to indicate that the first 37 markers are the real identifying markers for Group A participants. This confirms Sue's selection of Set 1a results as the AAV or Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A. Group B 3 tests 2 identical Group C1 0 tests Group C2 5 tests 1 shown as AAV for C2 No 67 markers tests show for Groups D, E, F, G or H We have been invited by President Joan Kincaid of the Clan Kincaid Association to display the Kincaid Surname DNA results chart at The Gathering of the Clans next year in Scotland and have accepted the invitation. Joan will be hosting the Kincaid Tent at The Gathering along with other Kincaid's including our Chief Arabella Kincaid of Kincaid. There is information about The Gathering of the Clans and Clan Kincaid sponsored trip in connection with it on the Clan Kincaid website. As of today there are 5 pending Kincaid DNA tests of various kinds at the test lab with all scheduled to be reported by mid January. Yours aye, Don W. Kincaid

Thanks to all who responded.  I have had this problem before and it is very puzzling and frustrating after having spent several hours researching and constructing a timeline for the Woodburn family.  In the Biographical Annals of Cumberland County, PA it stated that this Woodburn family came from Ireland.  I still haven't found out why or how the Woodburns may be related to the West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA Kincaids.  If it is a marriage between a Kincaid and a Woodburn I haven't found it yet. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

I respectfully disagree with your conclusion that the 67 markers have little value. I see them as having the only real value and all other tests having little value beyond their initial grouping. I will concur though that the 37-67 marker block were composed of more stable markers that the first 37. I think the problem with your reasoning is the notion that the 15 identical results mean nothing. I am of the opinion that they mean exactly what they say - that these 15 participants are closely related and the common ancestor is likely within a generation or two of the earliest known one. I am of the strong opinion that we have an over representation of this particular line of Kincaids. If you have one patriarch 300 years ago having male descendants out producing all other Kincaid lines then you will get a lot of 67 marker matches for that man's descendants. Furthermore, a look of Scottish records show that the bulk of Kincaids in Scottish records are of the Warriston/Auchenreoch line or of the Group B line of Aileen Kincaids. Surely they will represent the bulk of participants for their group but this does not mean they represent the ancestral values for the group. The 37-67 marker results for set 1a may reflect that of the true ancestral values but this does not mean the first 37 of set 1a do. I challenge those who think set 1a represents the true ancestral values for Group A to get more Kincaid participants that do not have Colonial American roots in order to prove their beliefs. I believe this notion will fall apart pretty quickly. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Don W. Kincaid To: Kincaid Rootsweb List Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: [KINCAID] 67 marker DNA test analysis & info on The Gathering ofthe Clans in Scotland Since we have received several questions about possibly upgrading to 67 markers on the DNA test, we did a review of the 67 marker results to date. It appears the 67 marker test is of little value unless you want to do it for your descendants or have a close match you want to further define, at least for Group A. Group A has a total of 24 who have done the 67 marker test. Of those 24, 15 of them have identical results for the 38 through 67 marker series broken down as follows: Group A Set 1a: 5 tests 5 identical results (AAV for Group A) Group A Set 1b: 6 tests 4 identical results to 1a Group A Set 1c: 2 tests 1 identical results to 1a Group A Set 2a: 6 tests 3 identical results to 1a Group A Set 2b: 3 tests 2 identical results to 1a Group A Set 4 2 tests 0 identical results to 1a Group A as a whole has 62.5% who have identical results for the 38 through 67 markers which seems to me to indicate that the first 37 markers are the real identifying markers for Group A participants. This confirms Sue's selection of Set 1a results as the AAV or Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A. Group B 3 tests 2 identical Group C1 0 tests Group C2 5 tests 1 shown as AAV for C2 No 67 markers tests show for Groups D, E, F, G or H We have been invited by President Joan Kincaid of the Clan Kincaid Association to display the Kincaid Surname DNA results chart at The Gathering of the Clans next year in Scotland and have accepted the invitation. Joan will be hosting the Kincaid Tent at The Gathering along with other Kincaid's including our Chief Arabella Kincaid of Kincaid. There is information about The Gathering of the Clans and Clan Kincaid sponsored trip in connection with it on the Clan Kincaid website. As of today there are 5 pending Kincaid DNA tests of various kinds at the test lab with all scheduled to be reported by mid January. Yours aye, Don W. Kincaid

I got it fine Norman. Bruce ---- Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> wrote: > This is a test message to the kincaid list. > > sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since we have received several questions about possibly upgrading to 67 markers on the DNA test, we did a review of the 67 marker results to date. It appears the 67 marker test is of little value unless you want to do it for your descendants or have a close match you want to further define, at least for Group A. Group A has a total of 24 who have done the 67 marker test. Of those 24, 15 of them have identical results for the 38 through 67 marker series broken down as follows: Group A Set 1a: 5 tests 5 identical results (AAV for Group A) Group A Set 1b: 6 tests 4 identical results to 1a Group A Set 1c: 2 tests 1 identical results to 1a Group A Set 2a: 6 tests 3 identical results to 1a Group A Set 2b: 3 tests 2 identical results to 1a Group A Set 4 2 tests 0 identical results to 1a Group A as a whole has 62.5% who have identical results for the 38 through 67 markers which seems to me to indicate that the first 37 markers are the real identifying markers for Group A participants. This confirms Sue's selection of Set 1a results as the AAV or Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A. Group B 3 tests 2 identical Group C1 0 tests Group C2 5 tests 1 shown as AAV for C2 No 67 markers tests show for Groups D, E, F, G or H We have been invited by President Joan Kincaid of the Clan Kincaid Association to display the Kincaid Surname DNA results chart at The Gathering of the Clans next year in Scotland and have accepted the invitation. Joan will be hosting the Kincaid Tent at The Gathering along with other Kincaid's including our Chief Arabella Kincaid of Kincaid. There is information about The Gathering of the Clans and Clan Kincaid sponsored trip in connection with it on the Clan Kincaid website. As of today there are 5 pending Kincaid DNA tests of various kinds at the test lab with all scheduled to be reported by mid January. Yours aye, Don W. Kincaid

Norman: Received in California Brian # 5803

----- Original Message ----- > From: "Teresa Kincaid" <tesscaid@columbus.rr.com> > To: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:54 PM > Subject: Kincaid list eggnog recipe > > >> Hi Dick, >> >> Are you the one who posted the Drambuie eggnog recipe a year or two back on >> the Kincaid list? I have misplaced it and the festivities at this Kincaid >> household will not be the same without it. It was delicious! It it was >> indeed you, could you be so kind as to send it to me? >> >> Thank you so much and Happy Holidays to you and yours, >> >> Teresa Kincaid >> 17719 A2b > Teresa- > > Aye, t'was I from 2006 (note new email address): > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/kincaid/2006-12/1165445530 > > Herewith: > ___________________________________ > > K-listers, > > DRAMBUIE makes wonderful eggnog: > > 2 Eggbeaters > 1 Heavy cream > ½ Drambuie > Handful of ice cubes > Splenda, Vanilla extract, Nutmeg to taste > > Blend away!! > > MIRACLE ON 34TH STREET DVD on the tube (original monochrome, of course) > > Happy Christmas > > Dick Kinkead 2562 > Lantana, FL > _____________________________ > > Incidentally, powdered Cremona makes a good, almost fat-free, substitute for > the heavy cream. And fresh-grated whole nutmeg is always more flavorful than > the canned ground kind. And Southern Comfort & Myers's Rum make for good > variety. > > Enjoy, > > Dick Kinkead 2562, A1a > Lantana, FL (62º outside now) >

Hi Norman, You came through just fine, here in Kentucky(smile) Take Care. Connie *In Beautiful Western Kentucky* DNA Kincaid # 3350 Group A set 2 b DNA Knight #N38010 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Connie's Links-Lots of Links-Try Them www.angelfire.com/ky2/connie/Links.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\o/) The first duty of love is to listen. /_\ ~ Paul Tillich~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: [KINCAID] test message : This is a test message to the kincaid list. : : sincerely : Norman Kincaide

This is a test message to the kincaid list. sincerely Norman Kincaide

I echo the sadness that Connie has told the list on the loss of Dyane, She has always been an invaluable friend with great knowledge of her Hopper & Kinkade family roots from TN to MO to IN, I have had the pleasure to know her for ten years and will be always in her debt for her insight & kindness as we researched our line. Dyane is the grandaughter of Arville C Hopper & Mary Breen, gr grandaughter of Martha J Kinkade & Wm F Hopper , gr gr grandaughter of Henry Harrison Kinkade & Nancy Jane Marsee, gr gr gr grandaughter of David Kinkade & Sarah McWhirter. Tamara

sent for Norman who is having problems with posting to Kincaid List. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Kincaide To: donwkincaid@cox.net Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Newspaper article on Kincaid DNA participants I think the surprises we had with tests for Thomas Kincaid (Group C) who married Mary Mackey and David Kinkead (Group A) of Bourbon County, KY were interesting as well as Bill Kincaid's (Group C) test from Thomas Kinkead and Hannah Clingan and John Kinkead Jr. (Group A) sons of John Kinkead the Merchant of Carlisle. These were complete surprises and changed the whole outlook we had on these lineages. With the recent results for 130404 I have taken a look at the Woodburn family of Cumberland County, PA and have constructed the following timeline. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Woodburn family of Pennsylvania 1766 Thomas Woodburn taxed as a freeman, in East Town, Chester County, PA. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 11, p. 218. 1771 Alexander Woodburn taxed in Oxford Township, Chester County, PA as an inmate. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 11, p. 713. 1771 James Woodburn taxed in Colerain Township, Lancaster County, PA for 70 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows, at 3.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 17, p. 21. 1772 James Woodburn Colerain Township, Lancaster County, PA, bought 280 acres of land in Pennsborough Township, Cumberland County, PA from Timothy Hosfield of Bethlehem, Northampton County, PA on March 27, 1772. Biographical Annals of Cumberland County, PA, p. 666. 1772 James Woodburn taxed in Colerain Township, Lancaster County, PA for 2 horses, 2 cows at 3.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 17, p. 184. 1774 James Kinkead, [15550] freeman, taxed in West Pennsborough Township, Cumberland County, PA. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1775 James Woodburn married Sarah McMurrie on Nov. 6, 1775. Records of Upper West Conococheague Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin County (formerly Cumberland County), Pennsylvania, Marriages by Rev. John King, D.D. 1769-1812. 1777 John Woodburn, private, 1st Class, 3rd Company, Capt. Matthew Gregg, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA, Militia, “Remit,” Order from Council, dated, July 20, 1777, Fine Book of John Carothers, Cnty. Lt. p. 6. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. 1777 James Woodburn, private, 3rd Class, 3rd Company, Capt. Wm. Donaldson, Capt. 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, Order from Council, dated, Oct. 23, 1777, Fine Book of John Carothers, Cnty. Lt. p. 65. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. 1777 James Kinkead, [15550] private, Capt. Matthew Gregg’s Company, 1st Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, called out by order of Council, July 28, 1777. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 15, p. 564. (Active battalion, 1st, billet battalion, 2nd) 1777 James McClaren, private, Capt. Matthew Gregg’s Company, 1st Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, called out by order of Council, July 28, 1777. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 2, v. 15, p. 564. (Active battalion, 1st, billet battalion, 2nd) 1777 James Kinkead, [15550] private, 1st Class, 5th Company commanded by Capt. Mathew Gregg, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia by order of Council July 20, 1777. Active Duty Militia. Record proves active duty. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. (Middleton Township) 1778 Alexander Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 2 horses, 2 cows at 2.2.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 110. 1778 James Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 85 acres, 2 horses, 3 cows at 6.17.8. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 109. 1778 William Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 165 acres, at 8.5.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 109. 1778 James Kinkead [15550] taxed in West Pennsborough Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 2 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 237. 1778 Alexander Woodburn, private, 7th Class, 3rd Company, Capt. Walter Denny, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, “Ab” by order of Council dated March 25, 1778. Fine: pounds 5. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. 1778 John Woodburn, private, 1st Class, 3rd Company, Capt. James Douglas, 3rd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, “Dqt.” Order of Council, July 14, 1778, 2nd Tour, 1st & 2nd Classes, 300 men to ye Standing Stone, Fine pounds 40, Fine Book of John Carothers, Cnty. Lt. p. 224. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. 1778 James Kinkead, [15550] private, 1st Class, 4th Co. Capt. James Douglas, 2nd Battalion, 2nd Tour, 1st & 2nd Classes-300 Men to ye standing stone, Dqt. Order of Council, July 14, 1778. Fines: 40 pounds. Inactive Duty Militia. Record Does Not Prove Active Duty. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File (Middleton Township) 1779 Alexander Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 2 horses, 2 cows at 2.2.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 240. 1779 James Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 200 acres, 2 horses, 4 cows at 2.2.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 240. 1779 William Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 200 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows at 2.2.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 240. 1779 James Kinkead [15550] taxed in West Pennsborough Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 2 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 237. 1779 James McClarin taxed in West Pennsborough Township, Cumberland County, PA for 150 acres, 2 horses, 5 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 238. 1779 Hugh McClarin, freeman, taxed in West Pennsborough Township, Cumberland County, PA. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 243. 1779 Matthew McClarin, freeman, taxed in West Pennsborough Township, Cumberland County, PA. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 243. 1780 Alexander Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 2 horses, 6 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 373. 1780 James Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 300 acres, 2 horses, 6 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 373. 1780 William Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 270 acres, 2 horses, 4 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 373. 1781 Alexander Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 240 acres, 2 horses, 6 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 509. 1781 James Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 300 acres, 4 horses, 6 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 509. 1781 James Woodburn taxed in Cecil Township, Washington County, PA for 100 acres, 2 horses, 5 cows, 2 sheep, value: 78. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 719. 1781 John Woodburn taxed as a freeman in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA at 3.7.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 511. 1781 William Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 269 acres, 2 horses, 4 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 509. 1782 Alexander Woodburn taxed in Newtown, Cumberland County, PA for 240 acres, 2 horses, 4 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 631. 1782 James Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 300 acres, 4 horses, 8 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 662. 1782 John Woodburn taxed as a freeman in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA at 3.7.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 663. 1782 William Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 269 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 662. 1782 James Woodburn, private, 3rd Class, 7th Company, 2nd Battalion, Cumberland County, PA Militia, Class Roll, Sept. 8, 1782. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. 1783 John Woodbourn, private, Cumberland County, PA received depreciation pay. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 5, v. 4, p. 308. 1785 Alexander Woodburn taxed in Newtown Township, Cumberland County, PA for 141 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 748. 1785 James Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 300 acres. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 779. 1785 John Woodbourn taxed as a freeman in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA at 15.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 781. 1785 John Woodburn taxed in Birmingham Township, Chester County, PA at 12.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 12, p. 670. 1785 John Woodbourn taxed in East Bradford Township, Chester County, PA at 15.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 12, p. 673. 1785 Thomas Woodbourn taxed as a freeman in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA at 15.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 781. 1785 William Woodburn taxed in West Pennsborough, Cumberland County, PA for 269 acres, 2 horses, 1 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 778. 1786 Robert & John Woodburn warranted 200 acres in (Rye Township) Cumberland County, PA on Dec. 4, 1786. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 24, p. 785. 1786 William Woodburn. A draught of a tract of land situate in West Pennsborough Township, Cumberland County, PA containing two hundred & eighty seven acres & 60 perches and allowance of six per cent for roads & c surveyed to William Woodburn the 30th of March 1786 in pursuance of a warrant from the Supreme Executive Council of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania bearing date at Philadelphia the 2nd of March 1786. Sam’l Lyon, D.S. John Lukens, Esq’r. Surveyor General. Adjacent landowners: John Kenner, Robert Duncan, James Ramsey, John Moore. Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office, COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol. D-12, p. 200. 1787 John Woodbowrn, Cumberland County, PA Militia, Certificate, 14,705, Total: pounds: 2.12.6.June 25, 1787. Vol. B, p. 154. Pennsylvania State Archives Online Card File. 1790 Alexander Woodburn, Hopewell, Newton, Tyborn & West Pennsborough Townships, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over 16, 2 females. USFC, p. 78 1790 Alexander Woodburn, Fannett, Hamilton, Letterkenney, Montgomery & Peters Townships, Franklin County, PA, 1 male over 16, p. 114 1790 James Woodburn, Washington County, PA, 1 male over 16, 1 male under 16, 3 females. USFC, p. 254 1790 James Kinkaid, [15550] Hopewell, Newton, Tyborn, & West Pennsborough Townships, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 4 males under 16, 2 females. USFC, p. 78. 1790 John Woodburn, Hopewell, Newton, Tyborn & West Pennsborough Townships, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 1 female. USFC, p. 76. 1790 John Woodburn, eastern portion of Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 2 females. USFC, p. 82. 1790 Andrew Kinkead, [000017]Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 4 males under 16, 2 females.. USFC, p. 260. 1790 Matthew McClerron, [4164] Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 5 females. USFC, p. 260. 1790 Robert Woodburn, Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 2 males under 16, 1 female. USFC, p. 260. 1790 Thomas Woodburn, Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 2 males under 16, 1 female. USFC, p. 260. 1790 William Woodburn, Hopewell, Newton, Tyborn & West Pennsborough Townships, Cumberland County, PA,1 male over 16, 4 females. USFC, p. 77. 1792 James Woodburn, witness to Robert McClure, Sr.’s will, of Westpennsbro, Cumberland County, PA, will written, Sept. 20, 1792, proved, Oct. 16, 1792. Abstracts of Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1785-1825, p. 44. 1794 James Woodburn warranted land in Cumberland County, PA on March 10, 1794. Pennsylvania Archives, S. 3, v. 24, p. 1798 Peggy and George Woodburn, minors, children of James and Agness Woodburn, now of Newville, mentioned in the will of George Wier, farmer, Newton, Cumberland County, PA, written, January 25, 1798, proved, April 30, 1798, executor, James Woodburn. Abstracts of Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1785-1825, p. 75-76. 1799 John Woodburn, executor to William Woods’ will, of Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, will written, Nov. 17, 1799, proved, January 21, 1799. Abstracts of Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1785-1825, p. 80. 1804 James Woodburn, Major, executor to the will of Henry Deyermond of Newville, Cumberland County, PA, will written, August 7, 1804, proved, Oct. 10, 1804. Abstracts of Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1785-1825, p. 115. 1806 James Woodburn warranted land in Newton Township, Cumberland County, PA on Feb. 26, 1806. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 24. 1809 James Woodburn born to James Woodburn & wife, Agness, in Newville, Cumberland County, PA. USFC, 1880. Later of Newton, Cumberland County, PA, 1880, shingle maker, age 71 in 1880, sister, May Woodburn, age 58, housekeeper. 1823 James Woodburn, innkeeper, Newville, Cumberland County, PA, will written, July 20, 1822, proved, Nov. 25, 1823. Wife: Agness; oldest son, George, plantation purchased from John Morrow in Newton Township; son, William Henry, land purchased from heirs of Joseph Walker, deceased; daughters: Margaret, and Jane, a minor. Minor sons: John and James, land in Harrison County, VA. Thomas Glenn and Christian Shullers. Executors: son, George, William McCullough, and William McCandlish; witnesses: Joseph McKibben, William Laughlin, William Richey. Abstracts of Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1785-1825, p. 264. 1827 William Woodburn warranted 10 acres in Huntingdon County, PA on May 18, 1827. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 25, p. 780. 1856 John M. Woodburn warranted 22 acres in Perry County, PA on Oct. 16, 1856. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 25, p. 440.1856 John M. Woodburn warranted 8 acres in Perry County, PA on Dec. 2, 1856. PennsylvaniaArchives, s. 3, v. 25, p. 440. ----- Original Message ---- From: "donwkincaid@cox.net" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: norman.kincaide@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 10:57:22 AM Subject: Newspaper article on Kincaid DNA participants This message has been processed by the FTDNA Email System. The original headers are: To: donwkincaid@cox.net;seleaml@actionnet.net Cc: Bcc: norman.kincaide@yahoo.com The original message follows below: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kincaid Surname DNA participants, We were contacted yesterday by Alan Zarembo, a staff reporter for the Los Angeles Times newspaper, about doing a story on the DNA Project, especially some of the unusual situations. The story will appear in several leading newspapers and should help interest others in doing the Kincaid DNA test. We have already talked to Tootsie Tomlinson and Don Severs who gave permission to give Alan their phone number so have a start on items for the article. Alan had already found the Kincaid DNA Results Chart and the Rootsweb Kincaid List so already knows a lot about our project. Since most participants email addresses are on the chart, Alan may contact you for information on the story and we wanted to let you know in advance so you will know what his email is about and can decline or accept his invitation to share your dna story. For those of you who have an unusual dna story and would like to share it please let me know and I will pass your phone number on to Alan. We think this is an excellent opportunity to get exposure to our project and thus new members but we also understand that you may not want to participate and will only give him phone numbers of those who do give permission. Yours aye, Don W. Kincaid Kincaid Surname DNA Administrator Team donwkincaid@cox.net 254 631-5684 If at any time you want to stop receiving e-mails from your DNA Project Administrator, please go to the "Setup Preferences" section of your personal page and change the corresponding setting.

Connie, I am sorry to hear that your group have lost a research cohort, friend and cousin. My heart goes out to all of you and to her family. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "C PHurley" <cphurley@roadrunner.com> To: <KINCAID@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Obit-Dyane Patricia Giusto-December 04,2008-John Kinkade -David Kincade -Henry H KINCAID > Sad to say, we have lost one of our own, she will be greatly missed. > ~ ~ ~ ~ > Dyane Patricia Giusto > December 04, 2008 > > Dyane Patricia Giusto, 60 of Wakefield, died Thursday after a long > illness. > Born in Boston, she has lived in Wakefield for the past 31 years. > Beloved wife of Joseph Giusto. > Devoted mother of Michael, Mark and Cherilyn Giusto all of Wakefield. > Daughter of Joseph Raftery of Medford and the Late Helen (Hopper) Raftery. > Sister of the late Gail Polizzotti. > Funeral from the Dello Russo Funeral Home, 306 Main St. Medford > on Tuesday, at 9 AM, followed by a funeral mass celebrated in > St. Joseph Church, 173 Albion St. Wakefield at 10 AM. > Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend. > Visiting Hours Monday 4 thru 8. > Services will conclude with burial at Forest Glade Cemetery, Wakefield. > > Dello Russo Funeral Service > 306 Main Street > Medford, MA 02155 > 781-396-9200 > http://www.dellorusso.net > --- > --- > D.N.A. # 3350 - Group A > Our Kinkead/Kinkade/Kincaid/Kincade Family > --- > John Kinkade b.1760-1780 VA > John appears 1820-1830 Wilson Co. Tn. Census. > John was bond & witness at marriage of son ? > David Kincade to Sarah/Sally McWhirter > > We still do not know who John is. > is So we ASSUME he is David's father. > > David Kincade-Born 1802 TN. - d.aft 1860 > Married Feb 27 1824 Wilson Co.,TN. > Sally/Sarah McWhirter--Born 1808 Tn.- d.aft 1860 > > Their Children: > (1) Elizabeth E Kincade b.1828 Tn. > d. aft 1900 Ky. > > (2) Hugh A. Kincade/Kinkade b.1827 Tn. > d. May 1860 Butler Co. Ky. > > (3)John T. Kincade b.Oct 29 1829 Tn. > d.May 4 1911 Ohio Co,Ky(Mine) > > (4) Elias J Kincade b.1834 Tn. > d.aft 1880 Spencer Co. Ind. > > (5) Mary A Kincade b.Feb 2 1835 Tn. > d.Oct 9 1878 Spencer Co. Ind. > > (6)William Kincade b.Oct 10 1837 Tn. > > (7) Henry H Kincade b.Oct 7 1842 Tn. > d.Feb 8 1915 Warrick Co Ind. > > (8) David Blackburn Kincade b.1845 Tn. > d.aft 1880 Ky. > > (9) Andrew I Kincade b.1847/48 Tn. > > James F Kincade b.1854 KY. > (possible grandson son of Hugh & Zentha Suttle Kinkade) > --- > There are 6 of us who are in search of our Family roots together. > > ~Tamara's Genealogy~ > JOHN KINCADE/KINKADE b.1770-1780. > David Kincade b.1802 Tn. > m- Sally/Sarah McWhirter > Their Son: > Hugh Kinkade b.1827 Tn. > m- Louisa Jane Jones > Samuel Preston Kinkade- b.1859 Ky. > m- Lilian Arendell. > Otto Kinkade > b-1899 Ky. > m-Hallie Gish > Samuel Kincaide -b-1924 Ky. > m-Ruth Johnson > Charles Kincaide - > m-Tamara McDaniels > --- > ~Darlene~ > David KINCADE b. 1802 > m- Sally McWHIRTER > Their Son: > Hugh KINKADE b. 1827 > m. Levica Jane JONES > Samuel Preston KINKADE, b- 1856. > m. Sarah Ann HOPE > Preston KINKADE. > b-1896 KY. > m. Lura Bell KIRBY > Anna Mildred KINKADE > b-KY. > m. Paul Monroe MORAN > Louenda Darlene MORAN > m. Kenneth Ray EMBRY > Darlene Embry > --- > ~Dyane~ > DAVID KINCAID > b 1802 m Sarah Sally MCWHIRTER > Their Son: > Henry H KINCAID > b-1842 TN. > m. Nancy Jane MARSEE > Martha (Mattie) KINCAID. > b-1870 KY. > m. William F. HOPPER > Arvile C. HOPPER. > b-abt.1893 IN. > m. Mary BREEN 1917 > Helen HOPPER . > b -1919 > m Joseph RAFTERY > --- > ~Connie~ > David KINCADE > b-1802 TN. > m. Sally/Sarah MCWHIRTER > b.1808-1810 > Their son: > John T. KINKADE, b.1829 TN. > m. Lurissa Cole MCFARLAND > Their daughter: > Vilena Belle KINCADE > b- 1868, m.(-?-) > Her daughter > Pearl Beatrice KINKADE > b-1897 KY > m William Homer POOLE > b -1896 KY > Their son > Orville C.POOLE > b-1917 KY > m. Virginia D.KNIGHT > b- 1923 > and me : > Connie D. POOLE > b-KY. > m. Larry W.HURLEY > b- IN. > --- > ~Elain Ezell~ > DAVID KINCAID > b 1802 m Sarah Sally MCWHIRTER > Their Son: > David Blackburn Kinkade > b-1842/45 Tenn > d- March 18, 1881 Ky > m-October 10, 1870 -Sumner Co.Tenn > Martha "Mattie" C. Kimbel > b-December 27, 1855 -Ky > d-July 6, 1940 - Logan Co. Kentucky. > Their children: > 1). Sallie Catherine Kinkade. > b- Oct 21, 1871. > 2) James William Kinkade. > b- Dec 22, 1873. > 3) Joseph H. Kinkade. > b- Oct. 1876. > d- Feb 7, 1966 in Logan Co., KY, 89 years of age. > 4) Ollie Florence Kinkade. > b- March 1, 1879. > --- > ~Heather's Genealogy~ > DAVID KINCAID > b 1802 m Sarah Sally MCWHIRTER > Their Son: > Henry Kincaid > B. October-7-1842 > P. Sumner County, TN > M. Jan-7-1864 > P. Pike County, IN > D. Feb-8-1915 > Nancy Jane Marsee > Child: > Hettie Kincaid/Kinkaid > B. 1876 > P. Indiana > M. Twice, dates unknown > P. Unknown, One believed to be New Madrid County, Missouri > D. ? > P. Missouri > Married Robert Relaford > All dates Unknown > Children: > Jewel Juanita Relaford > B. August-27- > Note: This is the date in her obituary,but in the 1920 > Census she is listed as 4 and 1/2 months . > P. Fagus, Butler County, Missouri > Married > George E. Callahan > B. June-17- > P. Bismark, St.Francois County, Missouri Child: > Robert J. Callahan > B. March-15- > P. Polar Bluff, Butler County, Missouri > married > Sharon Fairley > B. June-27- > P. Mexico, Audrain County, Missouri > Children: > Heather R. Callahan > Sherry L. Callahan > > We have documents and have documents for each and every child > that is listed as David Kincade and Sarah "Sally" McWhirter. > We have David Kincade's Marriage Bond with Sally McWhirter. > > "Have a Beautiful Day" > Connie > Kincaid D.N.A.# 3350 > *David Kincade - Sarah McWhiter* > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sad to say, we have lost one of our own, she will be greatly missed. ~ ~ ~ ~ Dyane Patricia Giusto December 04, 2008 Dyane Patricia Giusto, 60 of Wakefield, died Thursday after a long illness. Born in Boston, she has lived in Wakefield for the past 31 years. Beloved wife of Joseph Giusto. Devoted mother of Michael, Mark and Cherilyn Giusto all of Wakefield. Daughter of Joseph Raftery of Medford and the Late Helen (Hopper) Raftery. Sister of the late Gail Polizzotti. Funeral from the Dello Russo Funeral Home, 306 Main St. Medford on Tuesday, at 9 AM, followed by a funeral mass celebrated in St. Joseph Church, 173 Albion St. Wakefield at 10 AM. Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend. Visiting Hours Monday 4 thru 8. Services will conclude with burial at Forest Glade Cemetery, Wakefield. Dello Russo Funeral Service 306 Main Street Medford, MA 02155 781-396-9200 http://www.dellorusso.net --- --- D.N.A. # 3350 - Group A Our Kinkead/Kinkade/Kincaid/Kincade Family --- John Kinkade b.1760-1780 VA John appears 1820-1830 Wilson Co. Tn. Census. John was bond & witness at marriage of son ? David Kincade to Sarah/Sally McWhirter We still do not know who John is. is So we ASSUME he is David's father. David Kincade-Born 1802 TN. - d.aft 1860 Married Feb 27 1824 Wilson Co.,TN. Sally/Sarah McWhirter--Born 1808 Tn.- d.aft 1860 Their Children: (1) Elizabeth E Kincade b.1828 Tn. d. aft 1900 Ky. (2) Hugh A. Kincade/Kinkade b.1827 Tn. d. May 1860 Butler Co. Ky. (3)John T. Kincade b.Oct 29 1829 Tn. d.May 4 1911 Ohio Co,Ky(Mine) (4) Elias J Kincade b.1834 Tn. d.aft 1880 Spencer Co. Ind. (5) Mary A Kincade b.Feb 2 1835 Tn. d.Oct 9 1878 Spencer Co. Ind. (6)William Kincade b.Oct 10 1837 Tn. (7) Henry H Kincade b.Oct 7 1842 Tn. d.Feb 8 1915 Warrick Co Ind. (8) David Blackburn Kincade b.1845 Tn. d.aft 1880 Ky. (9) Andrew I Kincade b.1847/48 Tn. James F Kincade b.1854 KY. (possible grandson son of Hugh & Zentha Suttle Kinkade) --- There are 6 of us who are in search of our Family roots together. ~Tamara's Genealogy~ JOHN KINCADE/KINKADE b.1770-1780. David Kincade b.1802 Tn. m- Sally/Sarah McWhirter Their Son: Hugh Kinkade b.1827 Tn. m- Louisa Jane Jones Samuel Preston Kinkade- b.1859 Ky. m- Lilian Arendell. Otto Kinkade b-1899 Ky. m-Hallie Gish Samuel Kincaide -b-1924 Ky. m-Ruth Johnson Charles Kincaide - m-Tamara McDaniels --- ~Darlene~ David KINCADE b. 1802 m- Sally McWHIRTER Their Son: Hugh KINKADE b. 1827 m. Levica Jane JONES Samuel Preston KINKADE, b- 1856. m. Sarah Ann HOPE Preston KINKADE. b-1896 KY. m. Lura Bell KIRBY Anna Mildred KINKADE b-KY. m. Paul Monroe MORAN Louenda Darlene MORAN m. Kenneth Ray EMBRY Darlene Embry --- ~Dyane~ DAVID KINCAID b 1802 m Sarah Sally MCWHIRTER Their Son: Henry H KINCAID b-1842 TN. m. Nancy Jane MARSEE Martha (Mattie) KINCAID. b-1870 KY. m. William F. HOPPER Arvile C. HOPPER. b-abt.1893 IN. m. Mary BREEN 1917 Helen HOPPER . b -1919 m Joseph RAFTERY --- ~Connie~ David KINCADE b-1802 TN. m. Sally/Sarah MCWHIRTER b.1808-1810 Their son: John T. KINKADE, b.1829 TN. m. Lurissa Cole MCFARLAND Their daughter: Vilena Belle KINCADE b- 1868, m.(-?-) Her daughter Pearl Beatrice KINKADE b-1897 KY m William Homer POOLE b -1896 KY Their son Orville C.POOLE b-1917 KY m. Virginia D.KNIGHT b- 1923 and me : Connie D. POOLE b-KY. m. Larry W.HURLEY b- IN. --- ~Elain Ezell~ DAVID KINCAID b 1802 m Sarah Sally MCWHIRTER Their Son: David Blackburn Kinkade b-1842/45 Tenn d- March 18, 1881 Ky m-October 10, 1870 -Sumner Co.Tenn Martha "Mattie" C. Kimbel b-December 27, 1855 -Ky d-July 6, 1940 - Logan Co. Kentucky. Their children: 1). Sallie Catherine Kinkade. b- Oct 21, 1871. 2) James William Kinkade. b- Dec 22, 1873. 3) Joseph H. Kinkade. b- Oct. 1876. d- Feb 7, 1966 in Logan Co., KY, 89 years of age. 4) Ollie Florence Kinkade. b- March 1, 1879. --- ~Heather's Genealogy~ DAVID KINCAID b 1802 m Sarah Sally MCWHIRTER Their Son: Henry Kincaid B. October-7-1842 P. Sumner County, TN M. Jan-7-1864 P. Pike County, IN D. Feb-8-1915 Nancy Jane Marsee Child: Hettie Kincaid/Kinkaid B. 1876 P. Indiana M. Twice, dates unknown P. Unknown, One believed to be New Madrid County, Missouri D. ? P. Missouri Married Robert Relaford All dates Unknown Children: Jewel Juanita Relaford B. August-27- Note: This is the date in her obituary,but in the 1920 Census she is listed as 4 and 1/2 months . P. Fagus, Butler County, Missouri Married George E. Callahan B. June-17- P. Bismark, St.Francois County, Missouri Child: Robert J. Callahan B. March-15- P. Polar Bluff, Butler County, Missouri married Sharon Fairley B. June-27- P. Mexico, Audrain County, Missouri Children: Heather R. Callahan Sherry L. Callahan We have documents and have documents for each and every child that is listed as David Kincade and Sarah "Sally" McWhirter. We have David Kincade's Marriage Bond with Sally McWhirter. "Have a Beautiful Day" Connie Kincaid D.N.A.# 3350 *David Kincade - Sarah McWhiter*

G. Robert Kincade Kincade, G. Robert Nov. 29, 2008 G. Robert "Bob" Kincade, 78 of Sarasota, formerly of Philadelphia, Pa., died Nov. 29, 2008. There will be a memorial Mass celebrating his life at noon Saturday at Church of the Incarnation, Sarasota. Survivors include his wife, Anita; sons John of Wayne, Pa., and Brian of West Chester, Pa.; daughters, Deborah Rambo of Boston, Mass., Claire Eggeling of Phoenixville, Pa., Maureen Kincade-Cream of Berwyn, Pa., and Kathleen Baker of Amelia Island; a brother, Paul, of University Park; 15 grandchildren; and a dear friend, Alex Scott. Bob was a proud alumnus of Boston College. He spent his career at SmithKline Pharmeceutical Co. and as vice president of sales. He mentored and touched many, many lives after retiring and enjoyed many volunteer activities, sports, and friends. His kind and loving nature, ever present smile and optimism will be missed. He lived to the fullest and always with a smile. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to the Alzheimer's Association, 1230 S. Tuttle Ave., Sarasota, FL 34239 or TideWell Hospice and Palliative Care, 5955 Rand Blvd. Sarasota, FL 34238. Herald Tribune.com, Sarasota, FL

Does anyone know the ancestry of Mike Kinkade who plays for the Seattle Mariners? He is stated as having been born in Livonia, Michigan. Peter

Sample 2519 and 130404 are downstream of 15550. So is my cluster of Kincaids (1256, 1474, 1477, 3817, 44108, 49844 and 57467). My cluster are clearly from County Londonderry, Ireland. Clearly one can't infer the origins of James Woodburn Kincade as being from Londonderry or Limerick. All we can infer is that the participant who contributed DNA for sample 15550 has DNA that represents the earliest branch point for our line of Kincaids. This is clearly an old and significant branch of Kincaids. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Liedtke To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Results for 130404 The only difference between the results for 130404 and 15550 is that pesky marker 4 (DYS#391) 11 in 130404's series. If both can be vetted to James Woodburn, we would have yet another instance of a proven parallel mutation to an 11 at this marker. My feeling is, if all lines were vetted, there are at least 7 (if not more) unrelated instances where this mutation has occured. 2519 matches 15550 at all markers except 2519 has a 17 instead of the AAV 16 at marker 32 (DYS570). The match includes both the mutation to 22 at marker 51 and a mutation to 38 (AAV 39) at marker 35 (CDYb). I don't know what records are available from Limerick, Ireland but it is possible that there could be a connection just a few generations back from their respective earliest known ancestors who were both born in 1811. James Woodburn's father could be the immigrant in this line. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Results for 130404 > Certainly the DNA shows that 130404 and 15550 descend from the same > person; > 130404 being an offshoot.. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Liedtke > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:03 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Results for 130404 > > > All results for 130404 are now in. He had ordered 67 markers. The first > 37 > markers came in quite some time ago. The rest were posted today. He > matches > 15550 exactly on markers 38 thru 67. Both have a value of 22 at marker 50 > (413b). The Apparent Ancestral Value is 23. Also in A-2a with the value > of > 22 is 2519. > > Both 130404 and 15550 believe descent from James Woodburn b 1811 PA m > Margaret Kuhns. 2519 believes descent from Saumel b 1811 m Johanna Walch > of > Lachelly, Limerick, Ireland. > > Sue Liedtke > -request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The only difference between the results for 130404 and 15550 is that pesky marker 4 (DYS#391) 11 in 130404's series. If both can be vetted to James Woodburn, we would have yet another instance of a proven parallel mutation to an 11 at this marker. My feeling is, if all lines were vetted, there are at least 7 (if not more) unrelated instances where this mutation has occured. 2519 matches 15550 at all markers except 2519 has a 17 instead of the AAV 16 at marker 32 (DYS570). The match includes both the mutation to 22 at marker 51 and a mutation to 38 (AAV 39) at marker 35 (CDYb). I don't know what records are available from Limerick, Ireland but it is possible that there could be a connection just a few generations back from their respective earliest known ancestors who were both born in 1811. James Woodburn's father could be the immigrant in this line. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Results for 130404 > Certainly the DNA shows that 130404 and 15550 descend from the same > person; > 130404 being an offshoot.. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Liedtke > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:03 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Results for 130404 > > > All results for 130404 are now in. He had ordered 67 markers. The first > 37 > markers came in quite some time ago. The rest were posted today. He > matches > 15550 exactly on markers 38 thru 67. Both have a value of 22 at marker 50 > (413b). The Apparent Ancestral Value is 23. Also in A-2a with the value > of > 22 is 2519. > > Both 130404 and 15550 believe descent from James Woodburn b 1811 PA m > Margaret Kuhns. 2519 believes descent from Saumel b 1811 m Johanna Walch > of > Lachelly, Limerick, Ireland. > > Sue Liedtke > -request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Certainly the DNA shows that 130404 and 15550 descend from the same person; 130404 being an offshoot.. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Liedtke To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:03 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Results for 130404 All results for 130404 are now in. He had ordered 67 markers. The first 37 markers came in quite some time ago. The rest were posted today. He matches 15550 exactly on markers 38 thru 67. Both have a value of 22 at marker 50 (413b). The Apparent Ancestral Value is 23. Also in A-2a with the value of 22 is 2519. Both 130404 and 15550 believe descent from James Woodburn b 1811 PA m Margaret Kuhns. 2519 believes descent from Saumel b 1811 m Johanna Walch of Lachelly, Limerick, Ireland. Sue Liedtke -request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All results for 130404 are now in. He had ordered 67 markers. The first 37 markers came in quite some time ago. The rest were posted today. He matches 15550 exactly on markers 38 thru 67. Both have a value of 22 at marker 50 (413b). The Apparent Ancestral Value is 23. Also in A-2a with the value of 22 is 2519. Both 130404 and 15550 believe descent from James Woodburn b 1811 PA m Margaret Kuhns. 2519 believes descent from Saumel b 1811 m Johanna Walch of Lachelly, Limerick, Ireland. Sue Liedtke

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