Gary Dean Kinkade Published: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:30 PM CST _http://republicmonews.com/_ (http://republicmonews.com/) Gary Dean Kinkade, 65, Billings, Mo., died Saturday, Jan. 10, 2009, at Cox South Hospital in Springfield, Mo. Mr. Kinkade was born Jan. 4, 1944, in Springfield, the son of Clifford and Lois Marie (Garoutte) Kinkade. He served his country in the U.S. Army in Korea. He retired as an auto mechanic at Don Wessel Oldsmobile of Springfield. He was a member of the Clever First Baptist Church, and the VFW Post of Billings. His parents preceded him in death. Survivors include a daughter and her husband, Dawn and Scott Helliker, Okmulgee, Okla.; nine grandchildren; three stepchildren; a brother and his wife, Donald and Donna Kinkade, Republic; two nephews; and many other relatives and friends. Visitation will be held from 2 to 4 p.m. Saturday, Jan. 17, 2009, in Meadors Funeral Home, Billings. A private burial will be at a later date in the Missouri Veteran’s Cemetery, Springfield. In lieu of flowers, the family suggests that contributions can be made to the donor’s choice. Online condolences may be made at _www.meadorsfuneralhome.com_ (http://www.meadorsfuneralhome.com/) .

If 79672 is indeed from Samuel, brother of Thomas/Mary Mackey instead of a son of Thomas/Mary Mackey and all have their lineages correct, then indeed, Thomas/Mary Mackey is the most likey source of the mutational variance. At one point I was under the impression that 79672 claimed to Thomas/Mary Mackey. If this is not correct (as the DNA seems to indicate) then I will gladly indicate that on the chart. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@burgoyne.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Chris Kraft" <acdk3@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 > Sue, > > I am really interested in learning more about #139833. He is in our group > C > set 2. > > > This is what I have in my records: > 16491, John Kincaid, son of Thomas & Mary Mackey > 139833, Samuel Kincaid, son of Thomas & Mary Mackey > > 79672, John Kincaid & Martha Hill, brother of Thomas & Mary Mackey > 44937, Samuel Kincaid & Sarah Reed, brother of Thomas & Mary Mackey > > Thus, 16491 & 139833 are descendants of Thomas Kincaid m. Mary Mackey, and > 79672 and 44937 come through Thomas' brothers. Does that mean that the > variance would begin with Thomas Kincaid? > > Alice Gedge > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:55 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 > > >> All results have been posted for 139833's order of 37 markers. His >> results >> match the AAV for Group C set 2 except at marker 34 (CDYa). He has a 35 >> instead of the AAV 36. He shares this variance with 16491 who believes >> decent from Robert/Margaret Doherty m 1745 of Alleghany Co. PA through >> Robert's son Thomas/Mary Mackey. 139833 believes decent from Samuel of PA >> b >> 1780 d 1818 m 1808 Phoebe Van Pelt. >> >> Also claiming descent from Robert/Margaret Doherty through son Thomas is >> 79672 and 44937 who claims descent from Robert/Margaret (through son ?) >> who >> do not share the above variance. IF the variance is from a single >> mutation >> for both 139833 and 16491 then we have several possible scenarios. 1) If >> all >> are correct in their lineage then Thomas/Mary did not have this variance >> and >> given that there is only 35 years between the marriage of Thomas/Mary and >> the birth of Samuel, 139833 and 16491 should both descend from the same >> son >> of Thomas/Mary or 2) Someone's lineage is incorrect. There is the >> possibility that the variances derive from parallel mutations as CDYa is >> quite volatile which leaves 139833's connection to other C-2 Kincaids >> open. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have not as yet sent an updated chart to Alice for posting. I do not know whether 139833 believes descent from Thomas/Mary Mackey. His claim is to Samuel/Phoebe Van Pelt. I know nothing more on his claimed heritage. IF (note the captitals) all 3 of the claiments to Robert/Margaret Doherty are correct in their lineage AND the mutation at marker 34 is the result of a single incident THEN Samuel would need to be a grandson of Thomas/Mary Mackey by the same son as 16491. Thomas would not have had that mutation because 79672 does not have the mutation. IF Samuel and your ancestor are brothers and both sons of Thomas/Mary Mackey AND the mutation is from a single incident THEN 79672 cannot be a descendent of Thomas/Mary Mackey as Thomas would have had that mutation and would have passed it to ALL his sons. Note that in both cases the assumption is that the mutation was from a single incident. CDYa is very volitile so this assumption may not be correct. If it is not correct and the 35 is the result of separate incidents then 139833 could possibly connect to John/Martha Hill b c1754 before he connects to others. Given the PA notation and the lack of the mutation to 24 at marker 2 (DYS390) I doubt he would connect directly to the VA family before connecting to the others. We also may not have discovered all the C-2 lines. So far we seem to have a VA grouping whose earliest ancestors were Samuel b c1700 and George b c1720 and a PA grouping whose earliest known ancestors are Robert/Margaret Doherty b c1720-5 and John/Martha Hill b c1754. What is needed is documentation by all claiments showing the connections to Robert/Margaret Doherty, particularly those through son Thomas/Mary Mackey. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Kincaid" <larryk34@gmail.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 > Hi Sue, Alice. > This is quite interesting. I just checked my personal FTDNA site and > found > a recent exact match on 37 markers posted with Andrew William Kincaid. > But > I checked the excel Kincaid DNA chart listed in your email and did not > find > the results for 139833 entered yet. What do we know about his geneology > besides his being the son of Samuel Kincaid son of Thomas and Mary Mackey? > Does he report any record of being descended from Robert/Margaret Doherty > m > 1745, or did he learn that from our project? > Don (Larry) Kincaid, 16491 > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Alice Gedge <adgedge@burgoyne.com> > wrote: > >> Sue, >> >> I am really interested in learning more about #139833. He is in our >> group >> C >> set 2. >> >> >> This is what I have in my records: >> 16491, John Kincaid, son of Thomas & Mary Mackey >> 139833, Samuel Kincaid, son of Thomas & Mary Mackey >> >> 79672, John Kincaid & Martha Hill, brother of Thomas & Mary Mackey >> 44937, Samuel Kincaid & Sarah Reed, brother of Thomas & Mary Mackey >> >> Thus, 16491 & 139833 are descendants of Thomas Kincaid m. Mary Mackey, >> and >> 79672 and 44937 come through Thomas' brothers. Does that mean that the >> variance would begin with Thomas Kincaid? >> >> Alice Gedge >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:55 AM >> Subject: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 >> >> >> > All results have been posted for 139833's order of 37 markers. His >> results >> > match the AAV for Group C set 2 except at marker 34 (CDYa). He has a 35 >> > instead of the AAV 36. He shares this variance with 16491 who believes >> > decent from Robert/Margaret Doherty m 1745 of Alleghany Co. PA through >> > Robert's son Thomas/Mary Mackey. 139833 believes decent from Samuel of >> > PA >> > b >> > 1780 d 1818 m 1808 Phoebe Van Pelt. >> > >> > Also claiming descent from Robert/Margaret Doherty through son Thomas >> > is >> > 79672 and 44937 who claims descent from Robert/Margaret (through son ?) >> > who >> > do not share the above variance. IF the variance is from a single >> mutation >> > for both 139833 and 16491 then we have several possible scenarios. 1) >> > If >> > all >> > are correct in their lineage then Thomas/Mary did not have this >> > variance >> > and >> > given that there is only 35 years between the marriage of Thomas/Mary >> > and >> > the birth of Samuel, 139833 and 16491 should both descend from the same >> > son >> > of Thomas/Mary or 2) Someone's lineage is incorrect. There is the >> > possibility that the variances derive from parallel mutations as CDYa >> > is >> > quite volatile which leaves 139833's connection to other C-2 Kincaids >> > open. >> > >> > Sue Liedtke >> > >> > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have now been sent a copy of Thomas' son George's death certificate which, with the census record, does likely meet the preponderance of evidence needs. By the way, my last email directly to Ms. Potter included "Pull George's death certificate, find George and Alice's marriage certificate, do the work, find something and get the evidence." So, congratulations Debby, well done!!!! I will go through my files and send you directly whatever I have. This likely will provide the weight of evidence that you need for Thomas S Kincaid, son of Capt. James Kincaid and Polly Sanders.

Without seeing and vetting the documentation, others run the risk of 1. having the satisfaction of being helpful but 2. running the great risk of having a badly researched and false line permanently placed into the DAR records and other places. Haven't we all suffered setbacks in our own research because of such things. Why would any of us be a part in generating even more bad pedigrees? Randall Kincaid

I challenge the following statement: "I have successfully documented my family back to Thomas S. and Marena (Siverly) Kincaid." In no presentation to this list or anywhere else has this documentation be referenced or presented, nor do I believe that it exists. There is one census record that seems to fit what Ms. Potter is trying to jerryrig for her DAR application. However, there are other census records that directly conflict with that. If there is a family bible records, a birth certificate, a marriage certificate or a death certificate, let's know about it. If there is a preponderance of evidence, such as newspaper accounts, county history accounts, etc., let's see them. Until then, the correct statement is "Thomas S. and Marena (Siverly) Kincaid are POSSIBLE antecedents." Genealogy is about documented facts, not filling in blanks without proper documentation so one can get into the DAR. Randall Kincaid

Barb, thank you very much. I've been all over this site illinoisancestors.org, but I didn't find half the information you did!! Alice, thank you for your offer to look info up in that catalog. I don't know how to find the information you would need, but I have a good friend here, Kimberly, who is helping me walk through this stuff, so I'll ask her and get back with you. For now, my laptop decided it doesn't have a broadband/wireless device in it anymore... :(?? I hope to take it to the "doctor" today, but I may be unable to get onto the internet very easily for a while... My husband will be happy!! LOL I think the piece of evidence that I would really like to find would be the will for James (m. Polly Sanders) Kincaid. That may very well be in that library, and if there's a way for me to figure?out how to get?you (Barb) the information you need,?Kimberly will help show me what to do... :) Thanks again to both of you for all your help. I'll let you know what I find. Have a great day! Debby -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Thomas S. Kincaid and Marena (Siverly) Kincaid Debby, The following records are on the website www.illinoisancestors.org for Mercer and Henry Counties, IL. It looks like the Siverly side of your family is related to the Green Co, IL Kincaids---George Siverly married Martha T. Kincaid of Green County, IL but the marriage was in Mercer County. SIVELY, GEORGE KINCADE, MARTHA 1846-12-24 00A/ 00000290 MERCER SIVERLY GEO. A. Farmer and Stock Raiser, Sec. 34; P.O. Colona; born in Pa. in 1820: came to Rock Island, 1839; came to this place 1847; Rep; owns 160 acres, val. $6,500; was School Director and Treasurer eight years, Collector eight years, and Assessor four years; Supervisor one year, married Martha T. Kincaid. of Green Co. Ill. in 1847; six children, two boys, four girls. http://www.illinoisancestors.org/henry/colonataxpayers.htm There is a James Kincaid and wife, a son and a daughter under age 10 in the 1820 St. Clair Co, Bellevue, IL census, just after Andrew Kincaid, Andrew age 45+. It looks like Andrew may have a younger family in his household. In 1830, Green Co, IL there were James, George, and William T Kincaid, all age 40-50 and living next to each other. MERCER COUNTY, IL RECORDS: In Richland Grove Township a saw and grist?mill was built on East Camp Creek. on Section 12. by John Rhodenbaugh, in 1840; saw-mills were also erected on the same stream by Thomas Kincaid, in 1838, on Section 20; by Jacob Trego & Son on Section 15, in 1840; and by Timothy Merryman on Section 28, in 1845. A large steam grist-mill was built on Section 16, by John Waugh, in 1856. http://www.illinoisancestors.org/mercer/mercercountymills.htm HENRY COUNTY, IL RECORDS: GLENN JAMES, Farmer and Stock Raiser, Sec. 20; P.O. Briar Bluff; born in Fayette Co., Ky., in 1811; came to Henry Co., in 1835; Rep; owns 350 acres land, value $14,000; married Nancy C. KINCAID, of Green Co., Ill., in 1836; six children; four boys and two girls. KINCAID A. J. Sec. 26; P.O. Briar Bluff; farmer; Rep; born Ill; owns 120 acres, value $3,000. KINCAID GEO. W. Far mer and Stock Raiser, Sec. 16: P.O. Briar Bluff; born in Ill. in 1820; came to Henry Co. in 1836; Rep; owns 375 acres of land, value $19,000; married Louisa C. Smith, of Ohio, in 1842; seven children by first wife; second wife was Mary A. Walker, of Mo., in 1857; one child. SIVERLY GEO. A. Farmer and Stock Raiser, Sec. 34; P.O. Colona; born in Pa. in 1820: came to Rock Island, 1839; came to this place 1847; Rep; owns 160 acres, val. $6,500; was School Director and Treasurer eight years, Collector eight years, and Assessor four years; Supervisor one year, married Martha T. KINCAID of Green Co. Ill. in 1847; six children, two boys, four girls. http://www.illinoisancestors.org/henry/colonataxpayers.htm H. S. Comstock then read the following historical sketch of Colona The first settler in Henry County was Dr. Thomas Baker, who came to the county on the 6th day of May, 1835, from Adams County, and settled. on Section 16, Colona Township-premises now occupied by George KINKAID. http://www.illinoisancestors.org/henry/oldsettlersmeetingtwo.htm Glenwood Cemetery, Henry County, IL GLENN, Nancy (KINCAID) b. 1817 d. 11/10/1894 77 yrs, wife of James.KINCAID. KINCAID, Cora S b. 2/8/1889 d. 8/?/1908 dau of AJ & S Kincaid KINCAID, George b. 6/27/1883 d. 1/20/1924 46 yrs 6 mos 23 days KINCAID, George V d. 3/5/1902 71 yrs 3 mos 18 days. KINCAID, Harry b. 10/12/1896 d. 6/21/1936 39 yrs 8 mos 9 days KINCAID, Jackson A. b. 7/9/1850 d. 4/25/1927 76 yrs 9 mos 16 days, son of Geo W & Louisa KINCAID, James b. 10/4/1788 d. 1/11/1856 67 yrs 3 mos 7 days. KINCAID, John Franklin b. 2/6/1859 d. 10/27/1928 69 yrs 8 mos 21 days KINCAID, Louisa C b. 7/20/1823 d. 9/28/1854 31 yrs 2 mos 8 days, wife of George W. KINCAID, Marena b. 1/27/1822 d. 10/6/1857 35 yrs 8 mos 9 days, wife of Thomas S KINCAID, Mary Ann d. 1/15/1900 59 yrs 10 mos 7 days wife of George V. KINCAID, Oliver P b. 1828 d. 9/3/1862 34 yrs 5 mos 10 days. KINCAID, Polly Sanders b. 1793 d. 1/20/1860 67 yrs 8 days, wife of James KINCAID, Sarah b. 8/15/1853 d. 11/3/1925 72 yrs 2 mos 18 days KINCAID, Thomas S b. 8/7/1818 d. 12/27/1866 48 yrs 4 mos 20 days KINCAID, infant dau of O.P. & M.L. d. 4/13/1856 http://www.illinoisancestors.org/henry/glenwoodcemetery.htm Barb Van Hout ----- Original Message ----- From: <gregndebbypotter@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Thomas S. Kincaid and Marena (Siverly) Kincaid >I have successfully documented my family back to Thomas S. and Marena >(Siverly) Kincaid. > > I believe Thomas S. Kincaid is the son of James and Polly (Sanders) > Kincaid. I have quite a bit of documentation for this, as well, but > nothing that nails it down tight. I was hoping that someone has discovered > a will or probate record for James Kincaid or other documentation that > would help me with this that they would not mind sharing. Or, if not, > could someone tell me how to send for the proper documentation? I am not > in a position to travel to Illinois (although I'm still feeling out > possible family members) or in a position to hire a professional > genealogist there to research this. Or maybe someone has another idea for > me that I haven't considered? > > Please do not be offended by my asking for this. > > Thank you, > Debby > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue, Alice. This is quite interesting. I just checked my personal FTDNA site and found a recent exact match on 37 markers posted with Andrew William Kincaid. But I checked the excel Kincaid DNA chart listed in your email and did not find the results for 139833 entered yet. What do we know about his geneology besides his being the son of Samuel Kincaid son of Thomas and Mary Mackey? Does he report any record of being descended from Robert/Margaret Doherty m 1745, or did he learn that from our project? Don (Larry) Kincaid, 16491 On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Alice Gedge <adgedge@burgoyne.com> wrote: > Sue, > > I am really interested in learning more about #139833. He is in our group > C > set 2. > > > This is what I have in my records: > 16491, John Kincaid, son of Thomas & Mary Mackey > 139833, Samuel Kincaid, son of Thomas & Mary Mackey > > 79672, John Kincaid & Martha Hill, brother of Thomas & Mary Mackey > 44937, Samuel Kincaid & Sarah Reed, brother of Thomas & Mary Mackey > > Thus, 16491 & 139833 are descendants of Thomas Kincaid m. Mary Mackey, and > 79672 and 44937 come through Thomas' brothers. Does that mean that the > variance would begin with Thomas Kincaid? > > Alice Gedge > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:55 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 > > > > All results have been posted for 139833's order of 37 markers. His > results > > match the AAV for Group C set 2 except at marker 34 (CDYa). He has a 35 > > instead of the AAV 36. He shares this variance with 16491 who believes > > decent from Robert/Margaret Doherty m 1745 of Alleghany Co. PA through > > Robert's son Thomas/Mary Mackey. 139833 believes decent from Samuel of PA > > b > > 1780 d 1818 m 1808 Phoebe Van Pelt. > > > > Also claiming descent from Robert/Margaret Doherty through son Thomas is > > 79672 and 44937 who claims descent from Robert/Margaret (through son ?) > > who > > do not share the above variance. IF the variance is from a single > mutation > > for both 139833 and 16491 then we have several possible scenarios. 1) If > > all > > are correct in their lineage then Thomas/Mary did not have this variance > > and > > given that there is only 35 years between the marriage of Thomas/Mary and > > the birth of Samuel, 139833 and 16491 should both descend from the same > > son > > of Thomas/Mary or 2) Someone's lineage is incorrect. There is the > > possibility that the variances derive from parallel mutations as CDYa is > > quite volatile which leaves 139833's connection to other C-2 Kincaids > > open. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sue, I am really interested in learning more about #139833. He is in our group C set 2. This is what I have in my records: 16491, John Kincaid, son of Thomas & Mary Mackey 139833, Samuel Kincaid, son of Thomas & Mary Mackey 79672, John Kincaid & Martha Hill, brother of Thomas & Mary Mackey 44937, Samuel Kincaid & Sarah Reed, brother of Thomas & Mary Mackey Thus, 16491 & 139833 are descendants of Thomas Kincaid m. Mary Mackey, and 79672 and 44937 come through Thomas' brothers. Does that mean that the variance would begin with Thomas Kincaid? Alice Gedge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: [KINCAID] DNA results for 139833 > All results have been posted for 139833's order of 37 markers. His results > match the AAV for Group C set 2 except at marker 34 (CDYa). He has a 35 > instead of the AAV 36. He shares this variance with 16491 who believes > decent from Robert/Margaret Doherty m 1745 of Alleghany Co. PA through > Robert's son Thomas/Mary Mackey. 139833 believes decent from Samuel of PA > b > 1780 d 1818 m 1808 Phoebe Van Pelt. > > Also claiming descent from Robert/Margaret Doherty through son Thomas is > 79672 and 44937 who claims descent from Robert/Margaret (through son ?) > who > do not share the above variance. IF the variance is from a single mutation > for both 139833 and 16491 then we have several possible scenarios. 1) If > all > are correct in their lineage then Thomas/Mary did not have this variance > and > given that there is only 35 years between the marriage of Thomas/Mary and > the birth of Samuel, 139833 and 16491 should both descend from the same > son > of Thomas/Mary or 2) Someone's lineage is incorrect. There is the > possibility that the variances derive from parallel mutations as CDYa is > quite volatile which leaves 139833's connection to other C-2 Kincaids > open. > > Sue Liedtke > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Debby, The following records are on the website www.illinoisancestors.org for Mercer and Henry Counties, IL. It looks like the Siverly side of your family is related to the Green Co, IL Kincaids---George Siverly married Martha T. Kincaid of Green County, IL but the marriage was in Mercer County. SIVELY, GEORGE KINCADE, MARTHA 1846-12-24 00A/ 00000290 MERCER SIVERLY GEO. A. Farmer and Stock Raiser, Sec. 34; P.O. Colona; born in Pa. in 1820: came to Rock Island, 1839; came to this place 1847; Rep; owns 160 acres, val. $6,500; was School Director and Treasurer eight years, Collector eight years, and Assessor four years; Supervisor one year, married Martha T. Kincaid. of Green Co. Ill. in 1847; six children, two boys, four girls. http://www.illinoisancestors.org/henry/colonataxpayers.htm There is a James Kincaid and wife, a son and a daughter under age 10 in the 1820 St. Clair Co, Bellevue, IL census, just after Andrew Kincaid, Andrew age 45+. It looks like Andrew may have a younger family in his household. In 1830, Green Co, IL there were James, George, and William T Kincaid, all age 40-50 and living next to each other. MERCER COUNTY, IL RECORDS: In Richland Grove Township a saw and grist­mill was built on East Camp Creek. on Section 12. by John Rhodenbaugh, in 1840; saw-mills were also erected on the same stream by Thomas Kincaid, in 1838, on Section 20; by Jacob Trego & Son on Section 15, in 1840; and by Timothy Merryman on Section 28, in 1845. A large steam grist-mill was built on Section 16, by John Waugh, in 1856. http://www.illinoisancestors.org/mercer/mercercountymills.htm HENRY COUNTY, IL RECORDS: GLENN JAMES, Farmer and Stock Raiser, Sec. 20; P.O. Briar Bluff; born in Fayette Co., Ky., in 1811; came to Henry Co., in 1835; Rep; owns 350 acres land, value $14,000; married Nancy C. KINCAID, of Green Co., Ill., in 1836; six children; four boys and two girls. KINCAID A. J. Sec. 26; P.O. Briar Bluff; farmer; Rep; born Ill; owns 120 acres, value $3,000. KINCAID GEO. W. Farmer and Stock Raiser, Sec. 16: P.O. Briar Bluff; born in Ill. in 1820; came to Henry Co. in 1836; Rep; owns 375 acres of land, value $19,000; married Louisa C. Smith, of Ohio, in 1842; seven children by first wife; second wife was Mary A. Walker, of Mo., in 1857; one child. SIVERLY GEO. A. Farmer and Stock Raiser, Sec. 34; P.O. Colona; born in Pa. in 1820: came to Rock Island, 1839; came to this place 1847; Rep; owns 160 acres, val. $6,500; was School Director and Treasurer eight years, Collector eight years, and Assessor four years; Supervisor one year, married Martha T. KINCAID of Green Co. Ill. in 1847; six children, two boys, four girls. http://www.illinoisancestors.org/henry/colonataxpayers.htm H. S. Comstock then read the following historical sketch of Colona The first settler in Henry County was Dr. Thomas Baker, who came to the county on the 6th day of May, 1835, from Adams County, and settled. on Section 16, Colona Township-premises now occupied by George KINKAID. http://www.illinoisancestors.org/henry/oldsettlersmeetingtwo.htm Glenwood Cemetery, Henry County, IL GLENN, Nancy (KINCAID) b. 1817 d. 11/10/1894 77 yrs, wife of James.KINCAID. KINCAID, Cora S b. 2/8/1889 d. 8/?/1908 dau of AJ & S Kincaid KINCAID, George b. 6/27/1883 d. 1/20/1924 46 yrs 6 mos 23 days KINCAID, George V d. 3/5/1902 71 yrs 3 mos 18 days. KINCAID, Harry b. 10/12/1896 d. 6/21/1936 39 yrs 8 mos 9 days KINCAID, Jackson A. b. 7/9/1850 d. 4/25/1927 76 yrs 9 mos 16 days, son of Geo W & Louisa KINCAID, James b. 10/4/1788 d. 1/11/1856 67 yrs 3 mos 7 days. KINCAID, John Franklin b. 2/6/1859 d. 10/27/1928 69 yrs 8 mos 21 days KINCAID, Louisa C b. 7/20/1823 d. 9/28/1854 31 yrs 2 mos 8 days, wife of George W. KINCAID, Marena b. 1/27/1822 d. 10/6/1857 35 yrs 8 mos 9 days, wife of Thomas S KINCAID, Mary Ann d. 1/15/1900 59 yrs 10 mos 7 days wife of George V. KINCAID, Oliver P b. 1828 d. 9/3/1862 34 yrs 5 mos 10 days. KINCAID, Polly Sanders b. 1793 d. 1/20/1860 67 yrs 8 days, wife of James KINCAID, Sarah b. 8/15/1853 d. 11/3/1925 72 yrs 2 mos 18 days KINCAID, Thomas S b. 8/7/1818 d. 12/27/1866 48 yrs 4 mos 20 days KINCAID, infant dau of O.P. & M.L. d. 4/13/1856 http://www.illinoisancestors.org/henry/glenwoodcemetery.htm Barb Van Hout ----- Original Message ----- From: <gregndebbypotter@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Thomas S. Kincaid and Marena (Siverly) Kincaid >I have successfully documented my family back to Thomas S. and Marena >(Siverly) Kincaid. > > I believe Thomas S. Kincaid is the son of James and Polly (Sanders) > Kincaid. I have quite a bit of documentation for this, as well, but > nothing that nails it down tight. I was hoping that someone has discovered > a will or probate record for James Kincaid or other documentation that > would help me with this that they would not mind sharing. Or, if not, > could someone tell me how to send for the proper documentation? I am not > in a position to travel to Illinois (although I'm still feeling out > possible family members) or in a position to hire a professional > genealogist there to research this. Or maybe someone has another idea for > me that I haven't considered? > > Please do not be offended by my asking for this. > > Thank you, > Debby > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All results have been posted for 139833's order of 37 markers. His results match the AAV for Group C set 2 except at marker 34 (CDYa). He has a 35 instead of the AAV 36. He shares this variance with 16491 who believes decent from Robert/Margaret Doherty m 1745 of Alleghany Co. PA through Robert's son Thomas/Mary Mackey. 139833 believes decent from Samuel of PA b 1780 d 1818 m 1808 Phoebe Van Pelt. Also claiming descent from Robert/Margaret Doherty through son Thomas is 79672 and 44937 who claims descent from Robert/Margaret (through son ?) who do not share the above variance. IF the variance is from a single mutation for both 139833 and 16491 then we have several possible scenarios. 1) If all are correct in their lineage then Thomas/Mary did not have this variance and given that there is only 35 years between the marriage of Thomas/Mary and the birth of Samuel, 139833 and 16491 should both descend from the same son of Thomas/Mary or 2) Someone's lineage is incorrect. There is the possibility that the variances derive from parallel mutations as CDYa is quite volatile which leaves 139833's connection to other C-2 Kincaids open. Sue Liedtke

Debby, If you want to go to familysearch.org and look in the FHL catalog and see if you can find the correct films to look at, I can do the footwork for you. Alice Gedge ----- Original Message ----- From: <gregndebbypotter@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:58 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Thomas S. Kincaid and Marena (Siverly) Kincaid >I have successfully documented my family back to Thomas S. and Marena >(Siverly) Kincaid. > > I believe Thomas S. Kincaid is the son of James and Polly (Sanders) > Kincaid. I have quite a bit of documentation for this, as well, but > nothing that nails it down tight. I was hoping that someone has discovered > a will or probate record for James Kincaid or other documentation that > would help me with this that they would not mind sharing. Or, if not, > could someone tell me how to send for the proper documentation? I am not > in a position to travel to Illinois (although I'm still feeling out > possible family members) or in a position to hire a professional > genealogist there to research this. Or maybe someone has another idea for > me that I haven't considered? > > Please do not be offended by my asking for this. > > Thank you, > Debby > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have successfully documented my family back to Thomas S. and Marena (Siverly) Kincaid. I believe Thomas S. Kincaid is the son of James and Polly (Sanders) Kincaid. I have quite a bit of documentation for this, as well, but nothing that nails it down tight. I was hoping that someone has discovered a will or probate record for James Kincaid or other documentation that would help me with this that they would not mind sharing. Or, if not, could someone tell me how to send for the proper documentation? I am not in a position to travel to Illinois (although I'm still feeling out possible family members) or in a position to hire a professional genealogist there to research this. Or maybe someone has another idea for me that I haven't considered? Please do not be offended by my asking for this. Thank you, Debby

Dear Norman, I'm working on the documentation. I researched back to Thomas and Marena. Short of a will written by Thomas or DNA evidence, I am convinced I have very good documentation tying George F. Kincaid to Thomas and Marena Kincaid (1850, 1860, 1880, 1910, 1920 federal censuses, 1865 Illinois State census, and the1875 Kansas State census). I'm waiting on George's death certificate. Thomas, I believe, is the eldest son of James and Polly Kincaid. To support this, I have the?Illinois land purchase by James Kincaid (Mercer county, Richland Township) and subsequent 2 land purchases by Thomas S. Kincaid in 1852/53 "across the street"?(after showing up 'next door' to James on 1850 census, prior to his personal land purchase, implying he came with James, although technically it just shows that he lives in the same township and section "next door," which I guess could be a neighboring farm or the land that he planned to purchase in 2-3 years, but I don't think that rules out a close relationship between Thomas and James and heavily suspected father/son relationship). I also have the 1830 federal census for Greene County Ill.?showing a James Kincaid that is correctly matched to Polly by age and does not conflict with known children, including Thomas S.?(although I do have 'unnamed tally marks"). There is another James Kincaid that lands in Menard County that ha! s a family very similar to James and Polly Kincaid, but they are somewhat easily discerned by the difference in age of the Jameses. The wives are in the same age group. The James Kincaid shows up in the 1840 federal census for Mercer County, Ill. Again, these tally marks line up with the 1830 tally marks (named and unnamed). Also this ties together with James Kincaid's land purchase there in Nov. 1841 to "James Kincaid of Mercer County." Also, James and Polly are buried along with Thomas S. and Marena Kincaid at Glennwood cemetery. All this said, it appears that a number of Kincaids already believe there is sufficient documentation to tie these two together as father and son, but I lack further documentation than this. I have one unnamed tally mark that would correlate to your George W. Kincaid. Your information on him may help me research that family more closely. Do you have a birth or death certificate that ties George to James. Thomas and Marena (and Eliza) all die within 10 years of James and Polly, leaving a few minor aged orphans. Would you have any indication where these children might have gone? I would think they would be moved to live with aunts and uncles. Did George W. have any children show up on the 1870 census that weren't there prior? Here's what I would have come up with from my research on James and Polly's children (keeping in mind James and Polly were married in 1816, I wouldn't think any children came before 1817): Thomas b. 1818 (Aug. according to cemetery records) one female b. about 1815-1820 one female and one male b. between 1821 to 1825 one female b. 1825-1828 Oliver b. ~1828 Franklin b. ~1830 If your George is the other boy b. between 1821 and 1825?(which fits), then Thomas and George would have been brothers. Do you have documentation to disprove this, because I would be interested in what it is. Thank you, Debby -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 6:01 pm Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report Dear Debbie, is the James Kincaid your James? I don't know....I don't know why not either... 1816?????? James Kincaid (born April 18, 1788) married Polly Sanders May 1, 1816 in Kentucky. Daughters of the American Revolution Research Library, ?? Washington D.C., Andrew Kinkead file. 1821?????? George W. Kincaid [1263] born to James Kincaid [1263] & Polly Sanders on Dec. 23, 1821 near Belleville, St. Clair County, IL.?Geneseo Republic, Geneseo, Henry County, IL, March 21, 1902, p. 2. ? Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: "gregndebbypotter@aol.com" <gregndebbypotter@aol.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:54:45 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report Sue, when you say that I will have to find a male descendent of a Kincaid, it would need to be a male descendent from male descendents, correct? i.e. my brother would not be able to do this because he is descended from our mother and grandmother before you get to a male Kincaid. I am understanding this correctly, I hope. It is pretty complicated, since my everyday?vocabularly before now has never included mitrochondrial or mtDNA vs. yDNA (and it's been over 20 years since college biology!!). Here's my problem. I have to go so far back before I find a male Kincaid connection. I was wondering if (within 4-5 generations) a DNA connection could prove a connection between my mom/uncle/or one of us kids and a male Kincaid within only 4-5 generations (maybe 3, depending on how you count them). I want to learn how I fit into this group. I want to learn what I can of my history further back. I'm not interested in 'sketching in' an ancestry, but it seems that some in this group have progressed beyond what most families will accept as likely 'proof' of relationship. One hundred years from now, when someone is looking at old 1990 and 2000 censuses and they see that my husband and I have 8 children living in my house (roughly 2 years apart in age), I hope that it will be 'assumed' that th ey are mine and my husband's children, unless there is reason to suspect that they are not). I understand that it could be that I've taken in another child, not my own, but normally that wou! ld not be the presumption. I am waiting on circumstances that might allow that someone somewhere might be able to attain a copy of James (of James and Polly Sanders) Kincaid's will or Thomas (of Thomas and Marena Siverly) Kincaid's will, in order to hopefully find my own documentation. I don't live in Illinois or have family there. So much wonderful research has been done, I would think that if these wills (at least James's)?could be found, they would have been published online by now by someone. So I'm concerned they don't even exist. I'm waiting on pins and needles for my gg grandfather's death certificate, although his wife would have been the reporting family member and I'm having to hope that she knew the names of her in-laws that would have been deceased for over 50 years (nearly a decade before she and my gg grandpa were even married and while he was still a minor), if they are the parents that the evidence (and quite a bit of it)?all points toward. If they aren't his parents, then I can only s! urmise that he just popped into existence. I expect that Alice Ann at least knew the name of her father-in-law. Alice Ann's father was named William and I believe George's father was named Thomas, and their oldest son, my g grandfather was named William Thomas (WT). Their second son was named Henry Harrison (Harrison being Alice Ann's maiden name). She seemed like the kind to name her children after people she knew. I only know that their daughter died young and was named M. Effie. No first name (although I do have a poem Alice Ann wrote to Effie after she died). I have begun to wonder if the M is for Marena (in honor of George's deceased mom).?I need to get her death certificate, but something makes me think that I already looked into that a few years back and was told it didn't exist (she died abo ut 1885). I'll probably do that next week. I know the cemetery and city of Nickerson that oversees that cemetery?have no record of her death. Anyway, most in the group have been very supportive, but I feel like unless I tie in genetically I don't tie in. And I don't know how to do that from here. Thanks for explaining things, Sue... Debby . -----Original Message----- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 4:14 pm Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report Debby, Your mitrochondrial DNA (mtDNA) comes from a long line of females (your brother has the same mtDNA as you have but his children do not). There is a surname change in every generation so it would not help you with any research on a specific surname. In my instance the surnames as far back as we can figure out are: Meiser, Dorris, Shields, Crowley, McIninch. We do not know the name of my ggg grandmother's mother so I have no idea what the next link is. Doing research using mtDNA is extremally problematic and can do little more than give you a general path to one of the large mtDNA groups. Interesting but not very useful. The closest I've come to any practical research use is a lady whose ancestress was adopted at a time and place that may (or may not) point to a connection with my ancestress born a McIninch. In order to be useful in research, DNA needs to be linked to that surname. This is accomplished by using yDNA which is passed from father to son along with the surname. If you want to further your Kincaid research by using DNA, you will have to find a male descendent of a Kincaid in your line. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <gregndebbypotter@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > Thanks for the info... so doesn't it seem like a good idea (even with the > Kincaid project) to do the dna on women as well? Even if our probabilities > would take us back only half as far, we could still then be linked to some > male descendent, who can then be linked back further. I'm not arguing for > it, since I'm not sure that I would participate at this time anyway. But > it does seem that it would open more doors for those interested in their > Kincaid roots (at least for the 50% or whatever that descend from a > female). > > I've had a couple more Kincaids ask to join the group, but other than you > and Dick, who I have now on my personal facebook, I haven't made a lot of > connections through the group. I have, however, very much enjoyed getting > to know you two a little better!! :) I've thought about opening up a yahoo > e-mail account and setting up a secondary 'personal facebook' account that > would allow me to post comments and write on walls for other members that > do the same thing. Then I would just open up another tab on my internet > explorer and keep that e-mail open as well (since it's the e-mail that > tells you most of the activity that goes on in your facebook). It would > still be secure in that I would only post on that facebook pics and info > that I don't mind sharing with a crowd. :) > >>From my experience with my high school class group, which is doing very >>well, the group site itself is rarely used (it's the connections you make >>through it). I think facebook has a long way to go to make their group >>experiences more practical. I'll keep the group available, however, and >>hopefully some people are using it to make more personal connections. I'm >>a people person, so knowing someone is a probably 5th cousin, however many >>times removed, is not nearly as interesting to me as knowing the person. > > Later! > Debby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:35 pm > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > > > Debby and others, > > There are many dna tests available however the Y dna paternal test is the > only > one that gets results that tell you within a few generations who you are > kin to > or at least the line. The next most popular test is the mt DNA maternal > test > which both guys and gals can take, however at best you only get a 50% > probability of a common ancestor at 50 generations back whereas with a 37 > of 37 > Y dna test you can get over 90% likelihood of a common ancestor in 12 or > less > generations. The best way to find and understand all the various dna tests > is to > go to Family Tree DNA's website and read the descriptions. If yo u or > anyone in > your family decides to do a dna test, be sure to do it through a group > like the > Kincaid Surname DNA Project instead of an individual test because there is > a > large differential in pricing. > > How is your Face book project going? > > Don >? ----- Original Message ----- >? From: gregndebbypotter@aol.com >? To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >? Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:26 AM >? Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > >? Don, I was visiting with an ancestry.com customer service rep about my > ancestry membership and saw an advertisement for the dna testing. I asked > him if > only men were able to participate in those, and he told me that women > could too > (they just don't have as many markers to compare). I had understood from > our > group that only Kincaid men could participate in the dna project, so our > family > would have to go back to a gg grandfather in order to have participated. > Is that > by choice,?because you are going back so far? I still don't know that I > would be > interested in participating, but I would like to know what my options are. > >? Thanks, Don.... > >? Debby Potter > > >? -----Original Message----- >? From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> >? To: Kincaid Rootsweb List <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >? Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:34 pm >? Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > > >? 2008 involved lots of progress in the Kincaid DNA Project with 17 new Y > dna >? participa > nts and a slew of upgrades plus se veral mt DNA tests and a variety of > >? other advanced tests. We now have 9 different spellings of Kincaid > represented > >? in the project, several countries and 8 non related Groups identified to > date. > >? Sue has carried the big load of work for the administrative team and > deserves >? many thanks for the considerable time she spent on the charts and vetting >? process and lineage work in general.Ruth has provided invaluable advice > and > did >? a fair share of the work while also serving as the Kincaid List > administrator. > >? The many contributions by list members have been invaluable over the > years to >? helping with lineage of our DNA participants. > >? For the history buffs, I cajoled a time line out of Peter A. Kincaid who > started >? off the Kincaid Surname DNA Project and served as the single > administrator for > >? several years. It is as follows: > >? Peter A. Kincaid timeline of Kincaid Surname DNA Project: >? Heard of technology from a genealogy friend named Gertrude Urquhart >? Sent message June 4, 2001 to Kincaid list and got great interest >? Set web page on June 30, 2001 outlining project and addressing main > issue; >? privacy >? Had 13 people who initially agreed to participate.? Put out call for > money > July >? 15, 2001 >? Ordered kits August 8, 2001 for nine participants as we had > stragglers/dropouts. >? Sent 6 kits to Family Tree DNA on August 29, 2001 >? Ordered three more September 3, 2001 >? Ordered two more kits October 4, 2001 >? Sent three kits to Family Tree DNA on October 5, 2001 >? First 6 kits sent to lab by Family Tree DNA on October 13, 2001 >? Sent 2 kits to Family Tree DNA on October 16, 2001 >? Sent one kit to Family Tree DNA on November 5, 2001 >? Results back for first 10 participants on November 22, 2001 > >? We thank Peter for his foresight, time and expertise on the project and >? appreciate his willingness to contribute valuable material and guidance. > >? A while back I wrote to let you know about a reporter from the L.A. Times > who >? wa nted to d >? o a story on > the Kincaid DNA project. The story appeared Sunday in >? the L.A. Times. The link is: > > > http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dnasurprise18-2009jan18,0,5045230.story > >? The article is pretty good over all, but as a typical reporter, Alan > Zarembo >? took a few liberties with his story. I am quoted as saying things I did > not > say >? as he twisted some of my words. Some stories told to him by others > probably >? should not have appeared in his article, but he included them for shock > ? value/interest. The headlines were atrocious! On a positive note, this > story >? will hopefully increase the interest in DNA as it applies to a surname > project. > >? One of the positive things is that Sunday afternoon a radio show producer > from > >? New Zealand called asking for me to be interviewed on New Zealand radio > on >? Sunday night so we did and are hoping to get at least one dna participant > from > >? new Zealand. The producer did a phone search and found there were 17 > Kincaid's > >? listed in New Zealand. We have also received emails from several folks > who > read >? the story asking for further information so we gladly sent them a copy of > the >? Kincaid DNA results chart done by Sue and gave the the link for the > Kincaid > DNA >? Project. Several genealogy websites have put the story on their websites > with >? the first I saw being Pasco County in Florida. Today I saw that is was > posted > on >? a website for China! I also noticed it was posted on a MIT science weblog > and >? with a comment that the headlines were bad. Thanks to those who talked to > the >? reporter and helped do the story! > >? We look forward to an even better 09! We welcome suggestions on ways to > improve >? the Kincaid of all Spellings DNA Project. I will be attending the Family > Tree >? DNA Conference in March in Houston, TX. We will also attend and display > the >? Kincaid DNA results chart at The Gathering of the Clans in Scotland this > Summer >? and look forward to the Kincaid Tour planned by Clan Kincaid in > cooperation > with >? Arabella Kincaid of Kincaid who will > be our host and lead the 100 or so >? Kincaid's on th >? e march down the Royal Mile at the festivities. Joan Kincaid, >? Dick Kinkead and others will also display the results chart at Highland > Games > in >? Canada and the USA. Thanks to Dick Kinkead for printing another large DNA > chart >? to be used for display in 2009! > >? Yours aye, > >? Don Kincaid >? for the admin team > >? To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA c hart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > >? ------------------------------- >? To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > >? with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of >? the message > >? To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > >? ------------------------------- >? To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue, when you say that I will have to find a male descendent of a Kincaid, it would need to be a male descendent from male descendents, correct? i.e. my brother would not be able to do this because he is descended from our mother and grandmother before you get to a male Kincaid. I am understanding this correctly, I hope. It is pretty complicated, since my everyday?vocabularly before now has never included mitrochondrial or mtDNA vs. yDNA (and it's been over 20 years since college biology!!). Here's my problem. I have to go so far back before I find a male Kincaid connection. I was wondering if (within 4-5 generations) a DNA connection could prove a connection between my mom/uncle/or one of us kids and a male Kincaid within only 4-5 generations (maybe 3, depending on how you count them). I want to learn how I fit into this group. I want to learn what I can of my history further back. I'm not interested in 'sketching in' an ancestry, but it seems that some in this group have progressed beyond what most families will accept as likely 'proof' of relationship. One hundred years from now, when someone is looking at old 1990 and 2000 censuses and they see that my husband and I have 8 children living in my house (roughly 2 years apart in age), I hope that it will be 'assumed' that they are mine and my husband's children, unless there is reason to suspect that they are not). I understand that it could be that I've taken in another child, not my own, but normally that wou! ld not be the presumption. I am waiting on circumstances that might allow that someone somewhere might be able to attain a copy of James (of James and Polly Sanders) Kincaid's will or Thomas (of Thomas and Marena Siverly) Kincaid's will, in order to hopefully find my own documentation. I don't live in Illinois or have family there. So much wonderful research has been done, I would think that if these wills (at least James's)?could be found, they would have been published online by now by someone. So I'm concerned they don't even exist. I'm waiting on pins and needles for my gg grandfather's death certificate, although his wife would have been the reporting family member and I'm having to hope that she knew the names of her in-laws that would have been deceased for over 50 years (nearly a decade before she and my gg grandpa were even married and while he was still a minor), if they are the parents that the evidence (and quite a bit of it)?all points toward. If they aren't his parents, then I can only s! urmise that he just popped into existence. I expect that Alice Ann at least knew the name of her father-in-law. Alice Ann's father was named William and I believe George's father was named Thomas, and their oldest son, my g grandfather was named William Thomas (WT). Their second son was named Henry Harrison (Harrison being Alice Ann's maiden name). She seemed like the kind to name her children after people she knew. I only know that their daughter died young and was named M. Effie. No first name (although I do have a poem Alice Ann wrote to Effie after she died). I have begun to wonder if the M is for Marena (in honor of George's deceased mom).?I need to get her death certificate, but something makes me think that I already looked into that a few years back and was told it didn't exist (she died about 1885). I'll probably do that next week. I know the cemetery and city of Nickerson that oversees that cemetery?have no record of her death. Anyway, most in the group have been very supportive, but I feel like unless I tie in genetically I don't tie in. And I don't know how to do that from here. Thanks for explaining things, Sue... Debby . -----Original Message----- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 4:14 pm Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report Debby, Your mitrochondrial DNA (mtDNA) comes from a long line of females (your brother has the same mtDNA as you have but his children do not). There is a surname change in every generation so it would not help you with any research on a specific surname. In my instance the surnames as far back as we can figure out are: Meiser, Dorris, Shields, Crowley, McIninch. We do not know the name of my ggg grandmother's mother so I have no idea what the next link is. Doing research using mtDNA is extremally problematic and can do little more than give you a general path to one of the large mtDNA groups. Interesting but not very useful. The closest I've come to any practical research use is a lady whose ancestress was adopted at a time and place that may (or may not) point to a connection with my ancestress born a McIninch. In order to be useful in research, DNA needs to be linked to that surname. This is accomplished by using yDNA which is passed from father to son along with the surname. If you want to further your Kincaid research by using DNA, you will have to find a male descendent of a Kincaid in your line. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <gregndebbypotter@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > Thanks for the info... so doesn't it seem like a good idea (even with the > Kincaid project) to do the dna on women as well? Even if our probabilities > would take us back only half as far, we could still then be linked to some > male descendent, who can then be linked back further. I'm not arguing for > it, since I'm not sure that I would participate at this time anyway. But > it does seem that it would open more doors for those interested in their > Kincaid roots (at least for the 50% or whatever that descend from a > female). > > I've had a couple more Kincaids ask to join the group, but other than you > and Dick, who I have now on my personal facebook, I haven't made a lot of > connections through the group. I have, however, very much enjoyed getting > to know you two a little better!! :) I've thought about opening up a yahoo > e-mail account and setting up a secondary 'personal facebook' account that > would allow me to post comments and write on walls for other members that > do the same thing. Then I would just open up another tab on my internet > explorer and keep that e-mail open as well (since it's the e-mail that > tells you most of the activity that goes on in your facebook). It would > still be secure in that I would only post on that facebook pics and info > that I don't mind sharing with a crowd. :) > >>From my experience with my high school class group, which is doing very >>well, the group site itself is rarely used (it's the connections you make >>through it). I think facebook has a long way to go to make their group >>experiences more practical. I'll keep the group available, however, and >>hopefully some people are using it to make more personal connections. I'm >>a people person, so knowing someone is a probably 5th cousin, however many >>times removed, is not nearly as interesting to me as knowing the person. > > Later! > Debby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:35 pm > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > > > Debby and others, > > There are many dna tests available however the Y dna paternal test is the > only > one that gets results that tell you within a few generations who you are > kin to > or at least the line. The next most popular test is the mt DNA maternal > test > which both guys and gals can take, however at best you only get a 50% > probability of a common ancestor at 50 generations back whereas with a 37 > of 37 > Y dna test you can get over 90% likelihood of a common ancestor in 12 or > less > generations. The best way to find and understand all the various dna tests > is to > go to Family Tree DNA's website and read the descriptions. If yo u or > anyone in > your family decides to do a dna test, be sure to do it through a group > like the > Kincaid Surname DNA Project instead of an individual test because there is > a > large differential in pricing. > > How is your Face book project going? > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gregndebbypotter@aol.com > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:26 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > > Don, I was visiting with an ancestry.com customer service rep about my > ancestry membership and saw an advertisement for the dna testing. I asked > him if > only men were able to participate in those, and he told me that women > could too > (they just don't have as many markers to compare). I had understood from > our > group that only Kincaid men could participate in the dna project, so our > family > would have to go back to a gg grandfather in order to have participated. > Is that > by choice,?because you are going back so far? I still don't know that I > would be > interested in participating, but I would like to know what my options are. > > Thanks, Don.... > > Debby Potter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> > To: Kincaid Rootsweb List <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:34 pm > Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > > > 2008 involved lots of progress in the Kincaid DNA Project with 17 new Y > dna > participa > nts and a slew of upgrades plus several mt DNA tests and a variety of > > other advanced tests. We now have 9 different spellings of Kincaid > represented > > in the project, several countries and 8 non related Groups identified to > date. > > Sue has carried the big load of work for the administrative team and > deserves > many thanks for the considerable time she spent on the charts and vetting > process and lineage work in general.Ruth has provided invaluable advice > and > did > a fair share of the work while also serving as the Kincaid List > administrator. > > The many contributions by list members have been invaluable over the > years to > helping with lineage of our DNA participants. > > For the history buffs, I cajoled a time line out of Peter A. Kincaid who > started > off the Kincaid Surname DNA Project and served as the single > administrator for > > several years. It is as follows: > > Peter A. Kincaid timeline of Kincaid Surname DNA Project: > Heard of technology from a genealogy friend named Gertrude Urquhart > Sent message June 4, 2001 to Kincaid list and got great interest > Set web page on June 30, 2001 outlining project and addressing main > issue; > privacy > Had 13 people who initially agreed to participate. Put out call for > money > July > 15, 2001 > Ordered kits August 8, 2001 for nine participants as we had > stragglers/dropouts. > Sent 6 kits to Family Tree DNA on August 29, 2001 > Ordered three more September 3, 2001 > Ordered two more kits October 4, 2001 > Sent three kits to Family Tree DNA on October 5, 2001 > First 6 kits sent to lab by Family Tree DNA on October 13, 2001 > Sent 2 kits to Family Tree DNA on October 16, 2001 > Sent one kit to Family Tree DNA on November 5, 2001 > Results back for first 10 participants on November 22, 2001 > > We thank Peter for his foresight, time and expertise on the project and > appreciate his willingness to contribute valuable material and guidance. > > A while back I wrote to let you know about a reporter from the L.A. Times > who > wanted to d > o a story on > the Kincaid DNA project. The story appeared Sunday in > the L.A. Times. The link is: > > > http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dnasurprise18-2009jan18,0,5045230.story > > The article is pretty good over all, but as a typical reporter, Alan > Zarembo > took a few liberties with his story. I am quoted as saying things I did > not > say > as he twisted some of my words. Some stories told to him by others > probably > should not have appeared in his article, but he included them for shock > value/interest. The headlines were atrocious! On a positive note, this > story > will hopefully increase the interest in DNA as it applies to a surname > project. > > One of the positive things is that Sunday afternoon a radio show producer > from > > New Zealand called asking for me to be interviewed on New Zealand radio > on > Sunday night so we did and are hoping to get at least one dna participant > from > > new Zealand. The producer did a phone search and found there were 17 > Kincaid's > > listed in New Zealand. We have also received emails from several folks > who > read > the story asking for further information so we gladly sent them a copy of > the > Kincaid DNA results chart done by Sue and gave the the link for the > Kincaid > DNA > Project. Several genealogy websites have put the story on their websites > with > the first I saw being Pasco County in Florida. Today I saw that is was > posted > on > a website for China! I also noticed it was posted on a MIT science weblog > and > with a comment that the headlines were bad. Thanks to those who talked to > the > reporter and helped do the story! > > We look forward to an even better 09! We welcome suggestions on ways to > improve > the Kincaid of all Spellings DNA Project. I will be attending the Family > Tree > DNA Conference in March in Houston, TX. We will also attend and display > the > Kincaid DNA results chart at The Gathering of the Clans in Scotland this > Summer > and look forward to the Kincaid Tour planned by Clan Kincaid in > cooperation > with > Arabella Kincaid of Kincaid who will > be our host and lead the 100 or so > Kincaid's on th > e march down the Royal Mile at the festivities. Joan Kincaid, > Dick Kinkead and others will also display the results chart at Highland > Games > in > Canada and the USA. Thanks to Dick Kinkead for printing another large DNA > chart > to be used for display in 2009! > > Yours aye, > > Don Kincaid > for the admin team > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA c hart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Debbie, is the James Kincaid your James? 1816       James Kincaid (born April 18, 1788) married Polly Sanders May 1, 1816 in Kentucky. Daughters of the American Revolution Research Library,    Washington D.C., Andrew Kinkead file. 1821       George W. Kincaid [1263] born to James Kincaid [1263] & Polly Sanders on Dec. 23, 1821 near Belleville, St. Clair County, IL. Geneseo Republic, Geneseo, Henry County, IL, March 21, 1902, p. 2.   Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: "gregndebbypotter@aol.com" <gregndebbypotter@aol.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:54:45 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report Sue, when you say that I will have to find a male descendent of a Kincaid, it would need to be a male descendent from male descendents, correct? i.e. my brother would not be able to do this because he is descended from our mother and grandmother before you get to a male Kincaid. I am understanding this correctly, I hope. It is pretty complicated, since my everyday?vocabularly before now has never included mitrochondrial or mtDNA vs. yDNA (and it's been over 20 years since college biology!!). Here's my problem. I have to go so far back before I find a male Kincaid connection. I was wondering if (within 4-5 generations) a DNA connection could prove a connection between my mom/uncle/or one of us kids and a male Kincaid within only 4-5 generations (maybe 3, depending on how you count them). I want to learn how I fit into this group. I want to learn what I can of my history further back. I'm not interested in 'sketching in' an ancestry, but it seems that some in this group have progressed beyond what most families will accept as likely 'proof' of relationship. One hundred years from now, when someone is looking at old 1990 and 2000 censuses and they see that my husband and I have 8 children living in my house (roughly 2 years apart in age), I hope that it will be 'assumed' that they are mine and my husband's children, unless there is reason to suspect that they are not). I understand that it could be that I've taken in another child, not my own, but normally that wou! ld not be the presumption. I am waiting on circumstances that might allow that someone somewhere might be able to attain a copy of James (of James and Polly Sanders) Kincaid's will or Thomas (of Thomas and Marena Siverly) Kincaid's will, in order to hopefully find my own documentation. I don't live in Illinois or have family there. So much wonderful research has been done, I would think that if these wills (at least James's)?could be found, they would have been published online by now by someone. So I'm concerned they don't even exist. I'm waiting on pins and needles for my gg grandfather's death certificate, although his wife would have been the reporting family member and I'm having to hope that she knew the names of her in-laws that would have been deceased for over 50 years (nearly a decade before she and my gg grandpa were even married and while he was still a minor), if they are the parents that the evidence (and quite a bit of it)?all points toward. If they aren't his parents, then I can only s! urmise that he just popped into existence. I expect that Alice Ann at least knew the name of her father-in-law. Alice Ann's father was named William and I believe George's father was named Thomas, and their oldest son, my g grandfather was named William Thomas (WT). Their second son was named Henry Harrison (Harrison being Alice Ann's maiden name). She seemed like the kind to name her children after people she knew. I only know that their daughter died young and was named M. Effie. No first name (although I do have a poem Alice Ann wrote to Effie after she died). I have begun to wonder if the M is for Marena (in honor of George's deceased mom).?I need to get her death certificate, but something makes me think that I already looked into that a few years back and was told it didn't exist (she died about 1885). I'll probably do that next week. I know the cemetery and city of Nickerson that oversees that cemetery?have no record of her death. Anyway, most in the group have been very supportive, but I feel like unless I tie in genetically I don't tie in. And I don't know how to do that from here. Thanks for explaining things, Sue... Debby . -----Original Message----- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 4:14 pm Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report Debby, Your mitrochondrial DNA (mtDNA) comes from a long line of females (your brother has the same mtDNA as you have but his children do not). There is a surname change in every generation so it would not help you with any research on a specific surname. In my instance the surnames as far back as we can figure out are: Meiser, Dorris, Shields, Crowley, McIninch. We do not know the name of my ggg grandmother's mother so I have no idea what the next link is. Doing research using mtDNA is extremally problematic and can do little more than give you a general path to one of the large mtDNA groups. Interesting but not very useful. The closest I've come to any practical research use is a lady whose ancestress was adopted at a time and place that may (or may not) point to a connection with my ancestress born a McIninch. In order to be useful in research, DNA needs to be linked to that surname. This is accomplished by using yDNA which is passed from father to son along with the surname. If you want to further your Kincaid research by using DNA, you will have to find a male descendent of a Kincaid in your line. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <gregndebbypotter@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > Thanks for the info... so doesn't it seem like a good idea (even with the > Kincaid project) to do the dna on women as well? Even if our probabilities > would take us back only half as far, we could still then be linked to some > male descendent, who can then be linked back further. I'm not arguing for > it, since I'm not sure that I would participate at this time anyway. But > it does seem that it would open more doors for those interested in their > Kincaid roots (at least for the 50% or whatever that descend from a > female). > > I've had a couple more Kincaids ask to join the group, but other than you > and Dick, who I have now on my personal facebook, I haven't made a lot of > connections through the group. I have, however, very much enjoyed getting > to know you two a little better!! :) I've thought about opening up a yahoo > e-mail account and setting up a secondary 'personal facebook' account that > would allow me to post comments and write on walls for other members that > do the same thing. Then I would just open up another tab on my internet > explorer and keep that e-mail open as well (since it's the e-mail that > tells you most of the activity that goes on in your facebook). It would > still be secure in that I would only post on that facebook pics and info > that I don't mind sharing with a crowd. :) > >>From my experience with my high school class group, which is doing very >>well, the group site itself is rarely used (it's the connections you make >>through it). I think facebook has a long way to go to make their group >>experiences more practical. I'll keep the group available, however, and >>hopefully some people are using it to make more personal connections. I'm >>a people person, so knowing someone is a probably 5th cousin, however many >>times removed, is not nearly as interesting to me as knowing the person. > > Later! > Debby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:35 pm > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > > > Debby and others, > > There are many dna tests available however the Y dna paternal test is the > only > one that gets results that tell you within a few generations who you are > kin to > or at least the line. The next most popular test is the mt DNA maternal > test > which both guys and gals can take, however at best you only get a 50% > probability of a common ancestor at 50 generations back whereas with a 37 > of 37 > Y dna test you can get over 90% likelihood of a common ancestor in 12 or > less > generations. The best way to find and understand all the various dna tests > is to > go to Family Tree DNA's website and read the descriptions. If yo u or > anyone in > your family decides to do a dna test, be sure to do it through a group > like the > Kincaid Surname DNA Project instead of an individual test because there is > a > large differential in pricing. > > How is your Face book project going? > > Don >  ----- Original Message ----- >  From: gregndebbypotter@aol.com >  To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:26 AM >  Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > >  Don, I was visiting with an ancestry.com customer service rep about my > ancestry membership and saw an advertisement for the dna testing. I asked > him if > only men were able to participate in those, and he told me that women > could too > (they just don't have as many markers to compare). I had understood from > our > group that only Kincaid men could participate in the dna project, so our > family > would have to go back to a gg grandfather in order to have participated. > Is that > by choice,?because you are going back so far? I still don't know that I > would be > interested in participating, but I would like to know what my options are. > >  Thanks, Don.... > >  Debby Potter > > >  -----Original Message----- >  From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> >  To: Kincaid Rootsweb List <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >  Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:34 pm >  Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > > >  2008 involved lots of progress in the Kincaid DNA Project with 17 new Y > dna >  participa > nts and a slew of upgrades plus several mt DNA tests and a variety of > >  other advanced tests. We now have 9 different spellings of Kincaid > represented > >  in the project, several countries and 8 non related Groups identified to > date. > >  Sue has carried the big load of work for the administrative team and > deserves >  many thanks for the considerable time she spent on the charts and vetting >  process and lineage work in general.Ruth has provided invaluable advice > and > did >  a fair share of the work while also serving as the Kincaid List > administrator. > >  The many contributions by list members have been invaluable over the > years to >  helping with lineage of our DNA participants. > >  For the history buffs, I cajoled a time line out of Peter A. Kincaid who > started >  off the Kincaid Surname DNA Project and served as the single > administrator for > >  several years. It is as follows: > >  Peter A. Kincaid timeline of Kincaid Surname DNA Project: >  Heard of technology from a genealogy friend named Gertrude Urquhart >  Sent message June 4, 2001 to Kincaid list and got great interest >  Set web page on June 30, 2001 outlining project and addressing main > issue; >  privacy >  Had 13 people who initially agreed to participate.  Put out call for > money > July >  15, 2001 >  Ordered kits August 8, 2001 for nine participants as we had > stragglers/dropouts. >  Sent 6 kits to Family Tree DNA on August 29, 2001 >  Ordered three more September 3, 2001 >  Ordered two more kits October 4, 2001 >  Sent three kits to Family Tree DNA on October 5, 2001 >  First 6 kits sent to lab by Family Tree DNA on October 13, 2001 >  Sent 2 kits to Family Tree DNA on October 16, 2001 >  Sent one kit to Family Tree DNA on November 5, 2001 >  Results back for first 10 participants on November 22, 2001 > >  We thank Peter for his foresight, time and expertise on the project and >  appreciate his willingness to contribute valuable material and guidance. > >  A while back I wrote to let you know about a reporter from the L.A. Times > who >  wanted to d >  o a story on > the Kincaid DNA project. The story appeared Sunday in >  the L.A. Times. The link is: > > > http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dnasurprise18-2009jan18,0,5045230.story > >  The article is pretty good over all, but as a typical reporter, Alan > Zarembo >  took a few liberties with his story. I am quoted as saying things I did > not > say >  as he twisted some of my words. Some stories told to him by others > probably >  should not have appeared in his article, but he included them for shock >   value/interest. The headlines were atrocious! On a positive note, this > story >  will hopefully increase the interest in DNA as it applies to a surname > project. > >  One of the positive things is that Sunday afternoon a radio show producer > from > >  New Zealand called asking for me to be interviewed on New Zealand radio > on >  Sunday night so we did and are hoping to get at least one dna participant > from > >  new Zealand. The producer did a phone search and found there were 17 > Kincaid's > >  listed in New Zealand. We have also received emails from several folks > who > read >  the story asking for further information so we gladly sent them a copy of > the >  Kincaid DNA results chart done by Sue and gave the the link for the > Kincaid > DNA >  Project. Several genealogy websites have put the story on their websites > with >  the first I saw being Pasco County in Florida. Today I saw that is was > posted > on >  a website for China! I also noticed it was posted on a MIT science weblog > and >  with a comment that the headlines were bad. Thanks to those who talked to > the >  reporter and helped do the story! > >  We look forward to an even better 09! We welcome suggestions on ways to > improve >  the Kincaid of all Spellings DNA Project. I will be attending the Family > Tree >  DNA Conference in March in Houston, TX. We will also attend and display > the >  Kincaid DNA results chart at The Gathering of the Clans in Scotland this > Summer >  and look forward to the Kincaid Tour planned by Clan Kincaid in > cooperation > with >  Arabella Kincaid of Kincaid who will > be our host and lead the 100 or so >  Kincaid's on th >  e march down the Royal Mile at the festivities. Joan Kincaid, >  Dick Kinkead and others will also display the results chart at Highland > Games > in >  Canada and the USA. Thanks to Dick Kinkead for printing another large DNA > chart >  to be used for display in 2009! > >  Yours aye, > >  Don Kincaid >  for the admin team > >  To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA c hart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > >  ------------------------------- >  To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > >  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of >  the message > >  To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > >  ------------------------------- >  To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Debby, Your mitrochondrial DNA (mtDNA) comes from a long line of females (your brother has the same mtDNA as you have but his children do not). There is a surname change in every generation so it would not help you with any research on a specific surname. In my instance the surnames as far back as we can figure out are: Meiser, Dorris, Shields, Crowley, McIninch. We do not know the name of my ggg grandmother's mother so I have no idea what the next link is. Doing research using mtDNA is extremally problematic and can do little more than give you a general path to one of the large mtDNA groups. Interesting but not very useful. The closest I've come to any practical research use is a lady whose ancestress was adopted at a time and place that may (or may not) point to a connection with my ancestress born a McIninch. In order to be useful in research, DNA needs to be linked to that surname. This is accomplished by using yDNA which is passed from father to son along with the surname. If you want to further your Kincaid research by using DNA, you will have to find a male descendent of a Kincaid in your line. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <gregndebbypotter@aol.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > Thanks for the info... so doesn't it seem like a good idea (even with the > Kincaid project) to do the dna on women as well? Even if our probabilities > would take us back only half as far, we could still then be linked to some > male descendent, who can then be linked back further. I'm not arguing for > it, since I'm not sure that I would participate at this time anyway. But > it does seem that it would open more doors for those interested in their > Kincaid roots (at least for the 50% or whatever that descend from a > female). > > I've had a couple more Kincaids ask to join the group, but other than you > and Dick, who I have now on my personal facebook, I haven't made a lot of > connections through the group. I have, however, very much enjoyed getting > to know you two a little better!! :) I've thought about opening up a yahoo > e-mail account and setting up a secondary 'personal facebook' account that > would allow me to post comments and write on walls for other members that > do the same thing. Then I would just open up another tab on my internet > explorer and keep that e-mail open as well (since it's the e-mail that > tells you most of the activity that goes on in your facebook). It would > still be secure in that I would only post on that facebook pics and info > that I don't mind sharing with a crowd. :) > >>From my experience with my high school class group, which is doing very >>well, the group site itself is rarely used (it's the connections you make >>through it). I think facebook has a long way to go to make their group >>experiences more practical. I'll keep the group available, however, and >>hopefully some people are using it to make more personal connections. I'm >>a people person, so knowing someone is a probably 5th cousin, however many >>times removed, is not nearly as interesting to me as knowing the person. > > Later! > Debby > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:35 pm > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > > > Debby and others, > > There are many dna tests available however the Y dna paternal test is the > only > one that gets results that tell you within a few generations who you are > kin to > or at least the line. The next most popular test is the mt DNA maternal > test > which both guys and gals can take, however at best you only get a 50% > probability of a common ancestor at 50 generations back whereas with a 37 > of 37 > Y dna test you can get over 90% likelihood of a common ancestor in 12 or > less > generations. The best way to find and understand all the various dna tests > is to > go to Family Tree DNA's website and read the descriptions. If you or > anyone in > your family decides to do a dna test, be sure to do it through a group > like the > Kincaid Surname DNA Project instead of an individual test because there is > a > large differential in pricing. > > How is your Face book project going? > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gregndebbypotter@aol.com > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:26 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > > Don, I was visiting with an ancestry.com customer service rep about my > ancestry membership and saw an advertisement for the dna testing. I asked > him if > only men were able to participate in those, and he told me that women > could too > (they just don't have as many markers to compare). I had understood from > our > group that only Kincaid men could participate in the dna project, so our > family > would have to go back to a gg grandfather in order to have participated. > Is that > by choice,?because you are going back so far? I still don't know that I > would be > interested in participating, but I would like to know what my options are. > > Thanks, Don.... > > Debby Potter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> > To: Kincaid Rootsweb List <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:34 pm > Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report > > > > 2008 involved lots of progress in the Kincaid DNA Project with 17 new Y > dna > participa > nts and a slew of upgrades plus several mt DNA tests and a variety of > > other advanced tests. We now have 9 different spellings of Kincaid > represented > > in the project, several countries and 8 non related Groups identified to > date. > > Sue has carried the big load of work for the administrative team and > deserves > many thanks for the considerable time she spent on the charts and vetting > process and lineage work in general.Ruth has provided invaluable advice > and > did > a fair share of the work while also serving as the Kincaid List > administrator. > > The many contributions by list members have been invaluable over the > years to > helping with lineage of our DNA participants. > > For the history buffs, I cajoled a time line out of Peter A. Kincaid who > started > off the Kincaid Surname DNA Project and served as the single > administrator for > > several years. It is as follows: > > Peter A. Kincaid timeline of Kincaid Surname DNA Project: > Heard of technology from a genealogy friend named Gertrude Urquhart > Sent message June 4, 2001 to Kincaid list and got great interest > Set web page on June 30, 2001 outlining project and addressing main > issue; > privacy > Had 13 people who initially agreed to participate. Put out call for > money > July > 15, 2001 > Ordered kits August 8, 2001 for nine participants as we had > stragglers/dropouts. > Sent 6 kits to Family Tree DNA on August 29, 2001 > Ordered three more September 3, 2001 > Ordered two more kits October 4, 2001 > Sent three kits to Family Tree DNA on October 5, 2001 > First 6 kits sent to lab by Family Tree DNA on October 13, 2001 > Sent 2 kits to Family Tree DNA on October 16, 2001 > Sent one kit to Family Tree DNA on November 5, 2001 > Results back for first 10 participants on November 22, 2001 > > We thank Peter for his foresight, time and expertise on the project and > appreciate his willingness to contribute valuable material and guidance. > > A while back I wrote to let you know about a reporter from the L.A. Times > who > wanted to d > o a story on > the Kincaid DNA project. The story appeared Sunday in > the L.A. Times. The link is: > > > http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dnasurprise18-2009jan18,0,5045230.story > > The article is pretty good over all, but as a typical reporter, Alan > Zarembo > took a few liberties with his story. I am quoted as saying things I did > not > say > as he twisted some of my words. Some stories told to him by others > probably > should not have appeared in his article, but he included them for shock > value/interest. The headlines were atrocious! On a positive note, this > story > will hopefully increase the interest in DNA as it applies to a surname > project. > > One of the positive things is that Sunday afternoon a radio show producer > from > > New Zealand called asking for me to be interviewed on New Zealand radio > on > Sunday night so we did and are hoping to get at least one dna participant > from > > new Zealand. The producer did a phone search and found there were 17 > Kincaid's > > listed in New Zealand. We have also received emails from several folks > who > read > the story asking for further information so we gladly sent them a copy of > the > Kincaid DNA results chart done by Sue and gave the the link for the > Kincaid > DNA > Project. Several genealogy websites have put the story on their websites > with > the first I saw being Pasco County in Florida. Today I saw that is was > posted > on > a website for China! I also noticed it was posted on a MIT science weblog > and > with a comment that the headlines were bad. Thanks to those who talked to > the > reporter and helped do the story! > > We look forward to an even better 09! We welcome suggestions on ways to > improve > the Kincaid of all Spellings DNA Project. I will be attending the Family > Tree > DNA Conference in March in Houston, TX. We will also attend and display > the > Kincaid DNA results chart at The Gathering of the Clans in Scotland this > Summer > and look forward to the Kincaid Tour planned by Clan Kincaid in > cooperation > with > Arabella Kincaid of Kincaid who will > be our host and lead the 100 or so > Kincaid's on th > e march down the Royal Mile at the festivities. Joan Kincaid, > Dick Kinkead and others will also display the results chart at Highland > Games > in > Canada and the USA. Thanks to Dick Kinkead for printing another large DNA > chart > to be used for display in 2009! > > Yours aye, > > Don Kincaid > for the admin team > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Connie, I don't know you, but I was praying for you and glad that everything is going well. :) Sounds like a very serious surgery--good to see you're up to e-mailing!! I share your faith and glad also to one day have a new body (where I will finally HAVE perfect skin!!), and be with all of those that I'm missing here... Debby -----Original Message----- From: C P Hurley <cphurley@roadrunner.com> To: KINCAID@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:54 am Subject: [KINCAID] Im home after Carotid Artery Surgery I'm home after Carotid Artery Surgery, Thanks for all the prayers, it proves that prayer does work ! Surgery went fine, I did pretty good , my potassium and magnesium are very low........blood sugar went sky high , had to take meds for all.Don't feel too bad for someone who has had their throat cut(smile) But it took care of that problem, makes me wonder what will be the next one be , sure glad we will all have a new body when we get to heaven, cause mine is sure looking pretty bad at this point, the only thing is Scott 'MoM" , you have pretty skin, sure glad he thinks so. "Hugs" Connie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carotid_stenosis Connie *In Beautiful Western Kentucky* DNA Kincaid # 3350 Group A set 2 b DNA Knight #N38010 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Connie's Links-Lots of Links-Try Them www.angelfire.com/ky2/connie/Links.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\o/) Grandmothers are earth angels. /_\ - Unknown~ To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the info... so doesn't it seem like a good idea (even with the Kincaid project) to do the dna on women as well? Even if our probabilities would take us back only half as far, we could still then be linked to some male descendent, who can then be linked back further. I'm not arguing for it, since I'm not sure that I would participate at this time anyway. But it does seem that it would open more doors for those interested in their Kincaid roots (at least for the 50% or whatever that descend from a female). I've had a couple more Kincaids ask to join the group, but other than you and Dick, who I have now on my personal facebook, I haven't made a lot of connections through the group. I have, however, very much enjoyed getting to know you two a little better!! :) I've thought about opening up a yahoo e-mail account and setting up a secondary 'personal facebook' account that would allow me to post comments and write on walls for other members that do the same thing. Then I would just open up another tab on my internet explorer and keep that e-mail open as well (since it's the e-mail that tells you most of the activity that goes on in your facebook). It would still be secure in that I would only post on that facebook pics and info that I don't mind sharing with a crowd. :) >From my experience with my high school class group, which is doing very well, the group site itself is rarely used (it's the connections you make through it). I think facebook has a long way to go to make their group experiences more practical. I'll keep the group available, however, and hopefully some people are using it to make more personal connections. I'm a people person, so knowing someone is a probably 5th cousin, however many times removed, is not nearly as interesting to me as knowing the person. Later! Debby -----Original Message----- From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report Debby and others, There are many dna tests available however the Y dna paternal test is the only one that gets results that tell you within a few generations who you are kin to or at least the line. The next most popular test is the mt DNA maternal test which both guys and gals can take, however at best you only get a 50% probability of a common ancestor at 50 generations back whereas with a 37 of 37 Y dna test you can get over 90% likelihood of a common ancestor in 12 or less generations. The best way to find and understand all the various dna tests is to go to Family Tree DNA's website and read the descriptions. If you or anyone in your family decides to do a dna test, be sure to do it through a group like the Kincaid Surname DNA Project instead of an individual test because there is a large differential in pricing. How is your Face book project going? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: gregndebbypotter@aol.com To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report Don, I was visiting with an ancestry.com customer service rep about my ancestry membership and saw an advertisement for the dna testing. I asked him if only men were able to participate in those, and he told me that women could too (they just don't have as many markers to compare). I had understood from our group that only Kincaid men could participate in the dna project, so our family would have to go back to a gg grandfather in order to have participated. Is that by choice,?because you are going back so far? I still don't know that I would be interested in participating, but I would like to know what my options are. Thanks, Don.... Debby Potter -----Original Message----- From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: Kincaid Rootsweb List <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:34 pm Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaid DNA Project report 2008 involved lots of progress in the Kincaid DNA Project with 17 new Y dna participa nts and a slew of upgrades plus several mt DNA tests and a variety of other advanced tests. We now have 9 different spellings of Kincaid represented in the project, several countries and 8 non related Groups identified to date. Sue has carried the big load of work for the administrative team and deserves many thanks for the considerable time she spent on the charts and vetting process and lineage work in general.Ruth has provided invaluable advice and did a fair share of the work while also serving as the Kincaid List administrator. The many contributions by list members have been invaluable over the years to helping with lineage of our DNA participants. For the history buffs, I cajoled a time line out of Peter A. Kincaid who started off the Kincaid Surname DNA Project and served as the single administrator for several years. It is as follows: Peter A. Kincaid timeline of Kincaid Surname DNA Project: Heard of technology from a genealogy friend named Gertrude Urquhart Sent message June 4, 2001 to Kincaid list and got great interest Set web page on June 30, 2001 outlining project and addressing main issue; privacy Had 13 people who initially agreed to participate. Put out call for money July 15, 2001 Ordered kits August 8, 2001 for nine participants as we had stragglers/dropouts. Sent 6 kits to Family Tree DNA on August 29, 2001 Ordered three more September 3, 2001 Ordered two more kits October 4, 2001 Sent three kits to Family Tree DNA on October 5, 2001 First 6 kits sent to lab by Family Tree DNA on October 13, 2001 Sent 2 kits to Family Tree DNA on October 16, 2001 Sent one kit to Family Tree DNA on November 5, 2001 Results back for first 10 participants on November 22, 2001 We thank Peter for his foresight, time and expertise on the project and appreciate his willingness to contribute valuable material and guidance. A while back I wrote to let you know about a reporter from the L.A. Times who wanted to d o a story on the Kincaid DNA project. The story appeared Sunday in the L.A. Times. The link is: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dnasurprise18-2009jan18,0,5045230.story The article is pretty good over all, but as a typical reporter, Alan Zarembo took a few liberties with his story. I am quoted as saying things I did not say as he twisted some of my words. Some stories told to him by others probably should not have appeared in his article, but he included them for shock value/interest. The headlines were atrocious! On a positive note, this story will hopefully increase the interest in DNA as it applies to a surname project. One of the positive things is that Sunday afternoon a radio show producer from New Zealand called asking for me to be interviewed on New Zealand radio on Sunday night so we did and are hoping to get at least one dna participant from new Zealand. The producer did a phone search and found there were 17 Kincaid's listed in New Zealand. We have also received emails from several folks who read the story asking for further information so we gladly sent them a copy of the Kincaid DNA results chart done by Sue and gave the the link for the Kincaid DNA Project. Several genealogy websites have put the story on their websites with the first I saw being Pasco County in Florida. Today I saw that is was posted on a website for China! I also noticed it was posted on a MIT science weblog and with a comment that the headlines were bad. Thanks to those who talked to the reporter and helped do the story! We look forward to an even better 09! We welcome suggestions on ways to improve the Kincaid of all Spellings DNA Project. I will be attending the Family Tree DNA Conference in March in Houston, TX. We will also attend and display the Kincaid DNA results chart at The Gathering of the Clans in Scotland this Summer and look forward to the Kincaid Tour planned by Clan Kincaid in cooperation with Arabella Kincaid of Kincaid who will be our host and lead the 100 or so Kincaid's on th e march down the Royal Mile at the festivities. Joan Kincaid, Dick Kinkead and others will also display the results chart at Highland Games in Canada and the USA. Thanks to Dick Kinkead for printing another large DNA chart to be used for display in 2009! Yours aye, Don Kincaid for the admin team To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message