We have good friends with the last name Bahr. They named their youngest daughter Candace, Candy for short. :) -----Original Message----- From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: Kincaid Rootsweb List <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 4:09 pm Subject: [KINCAID] family research funny Hopefully I am not out of line for posting this one but thought Kincaid researchers would get a kick out of it. This appeared in our local paper in Texas and is by a lady we know. This Happens to be the truth. Of my "in-law" family, consisting of eight living children, one married a Baer, one a Fish, one a Pigg, and one a Campbell (pronounced camel) . They didn't stop with animals, but went on with another marrying a Bald-ridge, and another a White-acre, and the last married a One-a-Camp. However there is still one single and he's keeping company with a Muskgrave, which is almost Muskrat, isn't it? Oh yes, I also have an uncle named Chester White. THE PIGG IN-LAW Twila Pigg Lee To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I sent Alice an updated chart to post on her website. As usual she was quick to make the change. Thank you Alice. Sue

Hopefully I am not out of line for posting this one but thought Kincaid researchers would get a kick out of it. This appeared in our local paper in Texas and is by a lady we know. This Happens to be the truth. Of my "in-law" family, consisting of eight living children, one married a Baer, one a Fish, one a Pigg, and one a Campbell (pronounced camel) . They didn't stop with animals, but went on with another marrying a Bald-ridge, and another a White-acre, and the last married a One-a-Camp. However there is still one single and he's keeping company with a Muskgrave, which is almost Muskrat, isn't it? Oh yes, I also have an uncle named Chester White. THE PIGG IN-LAW Twila Pigg Lee

Results for 135736's upgrade to 37 markers are now in. He matches the group A-1a AAV exactly at all markers. This is very, very interesting to the Fayette/Greenbrier WVA Kincaids and has implications for all Group A Kincaids as 135736 claims to George/Mary Campbell. 49289 in A-2b is vetted to the same ancestor. The vetting for 49289 was done by Leslie so we do not have the lineage available in the archives. I urge JoAnne (contact for 135736) to contact me for the vetting format. Bob (49289), I also urge you to contact me so that we can create a vetting post to submit to the list for review. Bob has the 9 at marker 15 (459b) which is the signature for set A-2. This makes reviewing his line of paramont interest as it calls into question the vetting. If both can be verified to George/Mary Campbell we will have an incidence of parallel mutation at this marker. This has implications for all A-2b Kincaids as it is possible that this marker has mutated several times. The paper trails in the Fayette area seem to indicate that almost all Kincaids in this region are descendents of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. The most logical lineage from the paperwork indicates that George/Mary Campbell, Thomas/Isabella/Eliza (130207 A-1a), William (33001 A-1c), and Harvey (101753 A-1a) are all sons of Thomas/Polly Davis (whom 33001 is vetted to). The paper trail also indicates that Thomas/Polly Davis is the son of Samuel of the 3 wives, who in turn is the son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. 36856, 30078 and probably several more A-1a Kincaids from this region appear to be the descendents of John/Elizabeth Gillespie who is also appears to be the son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. I urge all lines to work on vetting back to Thomas/Hannah so that the family relationships can be confirmed. SPECULATION FOLLOWS We know that Thomas's father is a John Kincaid and that Thomas appears 1st in Albemarle Co. I believe this John is John the Weaver and that many other A-1a Kincaids who trace from this area may either be his descendents or descendents of a brother or cousin. Sue Liedtke

I urge everyone to take a moment to review this vetting post connecting 119921 to Samuel Kincaid of Fawn PA. Please let the list know if there are any questions regarding the line. It would also be nice to know if you think this is a true line. I will wait a week and ask again for comments before marking this line as vetted. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire Kincaid" <ccckincaid@netzero.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Cc: <ccckincaid@verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Charles Kincaid (119921,Gp A Set 1b) Amended Vetting to Samuel Kincai d of Fawn Pa Ruth, I have amended my original vetting submission that tracked back to John Kinkead of Sadsbury Pa and I am submitting this revised vetting to Samuel Kincaid of Fawn Township Pa. Samuel, I believe, is the son of John. As more facts are uncovered linking Samuel to John, I will update this vetting. Thank you. Chuck =================================================================== Charles Vernon Kincaid to Samuel Kincaid of Fawn Township PA DNA # 119921, Gp A Set 1b<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Charles Vernon Kincaid, Born Baltimore, MD, 1930 Son of Charles Vernon Kincaid Sr. and Lois Mildred Miller Proven by: Birth certificate: Baltimore City Health Dept lists my father as Charles Vernon Kincaid and mother as Lois (Miller) Kincaid Marriage Certificate of Charles V. Kincaid and Lois M. Miller in Towson, MD, on September 12, 1926. Witnesses were Mr. and Mrs. Elmer Parks. (In my possession) Baltimore Sun obituary listing Charles’s numerous accomplishments and civic works over the past 40 years and identified Charles V. Kincaid as his son and Lois Kincaid as his wife Life knowledge: I knew my parents and their siblings and they acknowledged me as their son and/or nephew ___________________________________________________ Charles Vernon Kincaid (Sr), b Baltimore, MD, Oct 29, 1882 d Dec 2, 1950. m Towson MD Sept 12, 1926 Lois M Miller Son of Frank Wallace Kincaid and Mary Delphine Baer Proven by: “Kincaid Family Bible” listing births, deaths, and marriages of Kincaid/Baer family from 1855 onward. Charles’s birthday given as October 29, 1882, in my possession. Charles V. Kincaid Certificate of Death, Baltimore city lists birth and death dates as above 1900 Federal Census of Baltimore city Frank Kincaid, husband, age 48 MD mother born England Delphine, wife, age 45 PA Charles V, son, age 17 MD James W, son, age 14 MD George C, son, age 12 PA Sophie A, daughter age 9 PA Carroll L, son age 6, MD Marriage Certificate: Frank W. Kincaid of Baltimore and Mary D. Baer of Bryansville, York County, PA, were joined in marriage the 13th day of January, 1881, in Bryansville, PA, (near Fawn Grove) by Joseph D. Smith, minister. Witnesses were Clara Kincaid (Frank’s sister) and Charles S. Baer (Dellies brother). Copy in my files. Obituary from Baltimore newspaper announcing the death of Frank W. Kincaid and plans for burial in Slate Ridge Cemetery in Delta, PA. Surviving children: Charles V. George C, Sophie A. and Carroll L. Frank W. and Mary D. (who died May 16, 1903) Kincaid were buried in Slate Ridge Cemetery, (near Fawn Grove) along with Frank’s unmarried sister, Ida V, and Frank and Dellie’s son, James Wallace who died age 19 of TB on Oct 24 1904 Oil paintings of Frank W. and Mary D. Kincaid on their wedding day, January 13, 1881. (In my possession) Life knowledge: I knew my father’s sister and two brothers and they acknowledged him as their sibling ________________________________________________ Frank Wallace Kincaid, b Baltimore, MD, Jan 25, 1856, d Feb 22, 1908 m Jan 13, 1881 Mary Delphine Baer Son of James R. Kincaid and Anna Cave Proven by: “Kincaid Family Bible” listing births, deaths, marriages of the Kincaid family from 1855 onward. Frank’s birthday given as January 25, 1856 Certified Baltimore City Certificate of Death of Frank W. Kincaid with birth and death dates as above Baltimore City Marriage Licenses Issued (1851-1865),pg.330, James Kincaid and Anna Cave married November 24, 1852, Hall of Records, Annapolis Md. 1860 Federal Census of Baltimore City, p 706 18th ward James R. Kincaide , age 40, MD Emma (Anna) age 37 Eng Clara age 7 MD Frank, age 4 MD Ida age 1 MD Baltimore Directory for 1860 653 W. Baltimore St. in 18th ward Baltimore, MD. James R., Anna, Clara, Frank W., and Idah V. (Files of Baltimore Directories at Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) Baltimore Directories from 1852-1887 list J. R. Kincaid and family living at various residences in Baltimore during these years. (Baltimore City Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore Md) Gravestones in Loudon Park Cemetery, Baltimore, MD James R. Kincaid’s date of birth as August 20, 1816, died November 21, 1887. Wife Anna Cave Kincaid, age 75, died February 22, 1898. Also burial plots of two unnamed young children, one is noted as “child of James R. Kincaid” (Personal visit to Loudon Park Cemetery. Baltimore, Md) Photographs of James R. Kincaid and wife, Anna Cave Kincaid, as an elderly couple, circa 1885, (in my possession). ________________________________________ James R. Kincaid b Baltimore, MD, Aug 20, 1816 d Baltimore MD Nov 21, 1887. m Baltimore, MD Nov 24,1852 Anna Cave Son of James Kincaid and Barbara Kendall Proven by Certificate of Death, Baltimore City Health Department, documents J. R. Kincaid’s birth and death dates, August 20, 1816, died November 21, 1887. (Certified Copy, Baltimore City Health Department) September 28, 1812, James Kincaid married Barbara Kendall at the 1st Methodist Episcopal Church, Light Street, Baltimore. Wedding performed by Rev. George Roberts. (1st Methodist Episcopal Church records, Maryland Historical Society records, Baltimore, MD) U. S. Federal Census of 1830 pg 189 Ward 4 of Baltimore City James Kincaid One male 50-60 one male 5-10 one male 10-15 one female 50-60 one female 20-30 one female 15-20 one female 10-15 one female 5-10 First Methodist Episcopal Church Light St. church records. Marriages: Ann Kincaid and George Sanders, 7 June 1832 by Rev. J. Frye Cecelia Kincaid and Isaac Wentz, 17 February 1838 by Rev. J. Frye Amelia E. Kincaid and Frederick Amos, 27 October 1845 by Rev. W. M. Evans James R. Kincaid and Anna Cave, 24 November 1852 by unreadable. Baltimore American announcement of 15 June 1832 announced marriage of Ann Kincaid, daughter of James Kincaid, to George Sanders, tea merchant of Baltimore. Death of James Kincaid announced in the Baltimore American newspaper of September 15, 1832, “James Kincaid, long a merchant of Baltimore died of the cholera on September 7.” (Diehlman File of Baltimore Newspapers, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) James Kincaid was buried in the Old North Burial Ground in Baltimore. James and his wife Barbara were reinterred on July 2, 1877 in Greenmount Cemetery in Baltimore when the Old North Burial Ground was disestablished to make way for the expanding downtown of Baltimore. James was reinterred in the burial plot of his daughter, Ann (Kincaid) Sanders. (Personal Visit to Greenmount Cemetery) US Federal Census 1840 Baltimore, MD 12th ward Barbay Kinkaid, age 50 to 60, two males, age 15 to 20, one male, 20 to 30 (who I believe is James R. Kincaid). U.S. Federal Census of 1850 Baltimore City, MD, 18th ward Barbara (Barbay) Kingcade head of household James R. Kincaid age 30 Margaret Miller, age 24 Charles Amos, age 4 16 others The Baltimore Directory of 1850 lists Barbay Kingcade as running a boarding house at 20 Pearl St. with the same named 20 people as in the USFC. Will of Thomas Kincaid, son of Samuel Kincaid of Fawn and brother of James Kincaid, who died November 1857 in Fawn Township. PA. Will proven 1867 in Fawn. (Thomas b 1790 had never married) He left his estate to: Lewis Kincaid $300 Agnes Dunlap $30 Heirs of James Kincaid: Elisabeth Wentz Ann Sanders Margaret Miller James R. Kincaid Samuel Kincaid Cecilia Wentz son of Amelia Kincaid Amos (Charles Amos) daughter of James R. Kincaid (Clara) Heirs of Jenny Kincaid McLaughlin: Samuel McLaughlin, Wallace McLaughlin, Jane Kilgore, Nancy McLaughlin, Martha Tarbert Wallace Kincaid Joseph Kincaid’s children. My father, Charles V. Kincaid, Sr., his brothers and sister often visited the Fawn Grove-Bryansville-Delta region. He explained to me that he went back to Fawn with his father, Frank W. Kincaid. Frank W had gone every summer with his father James R. Kincaid to visit friends (McLaughlins, Clarkes, Watsons, etc.) from the “old neighborhood.” That is why my father took me there. ____________________________________ James Kincaid b Fawn Township, PA abt. 1776; d Sept 7, 1832 m Baltimore MD Sept 28, 1812 Barbara Kendall Son of Samuel Kincaid and Agness (unknown) Proven by: Oct. 1810 PA will of Samuel Kincaid of Fawn Township named as heirs his wife Agness, (sometimes called Nancy) sons: John, James, Samuel, David, Wallace, Joseph, and Thomas daughters: Margaret Vance, Jenny McLaughlin, Nancy and heirs of his daughter, Jean McCleary (dec’d). Also mentioned as an heir was Samuel’s grandson, Lewis Kincaid. (Will Book M, pg. 274, York County Heritage Trust files, York, PA) Inventory of Samuel Kincaid’s estate was signed by his wife Agness James Kincaid, first shown on tax lists, taxed $1.00, in Fawn Township, York County, PA, as a single man in 1797.( first appearance on tax list would indicated he was age 21 thus b c1776) (York County Tax Record Roll 5226, York County, PA, archives.) Baltimore City Directory of 1803 James Kincaid 133 High St. Baltimore City Directory of 1804 James Kincaid 153 High St. occupation school teacher David Kincaid 153 High St. occupation drayman. David listed with James at that address in 1805, 1806, and 1807. (Baltimore City Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) U.S. Federal Census of 1810 Wards 2-6, Baltimore pg 268 James Kincaid one male 26-45 one male 16-25 one female over 45 one female 16-25 two females under 10. Baltimore City Directory of 1813 James Kincaid 153 High St. Baltimore, MD occupation grocer Wallace Kincaid 153 High St., Baltimore, MD occupation grocer Wallace remained at that address with James until 1819. (Baltimore Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) _________________________________ Samuel Kincaid, b abt. 1736, d Oct 1810 Fawn Township, York County, PA. Parents unknown What is known: 1749-Warrant, dated June 6, 1749, granted to Alexander McCanless for land in Fawn Township Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania. ( Pennsylvania State Archives RG-17, Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS 1733-1757, Surnames beginning with “M”). This warrant was filed before York County was formed August 14, 1749, and thus is listed in Lancaster County warrants 1772-Samuel Kincaid bought 271 acres called Poplar Quarter from Archibald White in Fawn Township (deed not yet recovered). 1779-Samuel Kincaid listed on roll of York County Militia, Capt. William Gray's company (ICHT Courtesy Mr. John Heisey). Samuel Kincaid taxed in Fawn 1779 - 1810 (York County Archives, York, PA) 1790-U.S. Federal Census York Co. PA Samuel Kincaid three males over 16 five males under 16 4 females (York Co Archives, York Pa) 1797-Samuel Kincaid taxed in Fawn for 150 acres. (CCAR) 1800-US Federal Census, York County, PA Samuel Kincaid 1 male 45+ 0 males 26-45 2 males 16-25 2 males 10-15 1 female 45+ 1 female 116-25 1810- Samuel Kincaid (119921) died October 1810. Will lists his children as heirs and left Poplar Quarter to sons Joseph and Thomas. 1813-Survey of Poplar Quarter. “Joseph and Thomas Kincaid situate in Fawn Township in the county of York containing as above 271 acres & 61 perches and allowance, of land originally surveyed by William Matthews, late DS, on the 21st day of the 1st month 1771 for Archibald White in pursuance of a warrant which was granted to Alexander McCanless (Poplar Quarter) bearing the date of 6th of June 1749. And now, on the 16th day of June 1813, the same has been calculated, examined, and found to be correct and at the request of the present owners, Joseph and Thomas Kincaid, the same is returned for confirmation. Adjacent land owners: Joseph Ross, Barrens, William Smilee, Barrens, Barrens, Thomas Brannon,. Per Jacob Spangler, DS. To Andrew Porter Esq. Surveyor General, Harrisburg.” (Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office ,COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol B-9, pg 12.) 1813 Patent.-Joseph and Thomas Kincaid (119921) patented 271 acres, 61 perches July 10, 1813, warrantee, Alexander McCanless (Poplar Quarter) June 6, 1749 Fawn Township York County Pa. (Pennsylvania State Archives RG-17, Records of the Land Office, PATENT INDEX, H Series (H1 to H20), 1809-1823, Surnames beginning with K, pg 189, Patent Book Vol 9, pg 196. Courtesy Norman Kincaide) Samuel Kincaid’s possible father,: John Kinkead of Sadsbury, Chester Co. PA Will of John Kinkead proven Nov 1771 wife Mary left farm to son Charles, twenty pounds to sons: David, John, Samuel, James Left sums to sons-in-laws" Adam Hope (married daughter Agnes) Thomas Kilpatrick John Simril (married daughter Mary) Josiah Crawford (courtesy Norman Kincaide..CCAR) A Samuel Kincaid was taxed in Sadsbury as a single man in 1757 and a married man 1758-65. He was taxed in West Caln (adjacent township) 1765-1772. This Samuel fits in age and possible marriage year. His disappearance from West Caln in 1772 coincides with Samuels 1772 purchase of Poplar Quarter in Fawn, York Co. PA. There is a close DNA match with #37382 and #8144 both of whom believe descent from John of Sadsbury. Definative proof is being sought. 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Ruth, I have amended my original vetting submission that tracked back to John Kinkead of Sadsbury Pa and I am submitting this revised vetting to Samuel Kincaid of Fawn Township Pa. Samuel, I believe, is the son of John. As more facts are uncovered linking Samuel to John, I will update this vetting. Thank you. Chuck =================================================================== Charles Vernon Kincaid to Samuel Kincaid of Fawn Township PA DNA # 119921, Gp A Set 1b<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Charles Vernon Kincaid, Born Baltimore, MD, 1930 Son of Charles Vernon Kincaid Sr. and Lois Mildred Miller Proven by: Birth certificate: Baltimore City Health Dept lists my father as Charles Vernon Kincaid and mother as Lois (Miller) Kincaid Marriage Certificate of Charles V. Kincaid and Lois M. Miller in Towson, MD, on September 12, 1926. Witnesses were Mr. and Mrs. Elmer Parks. (In my possession) Baltimore Sun obituary listing Charles’s numerous accomplishments and civic works over the past 40 years and identified Charles V. Kincaid as his son and Lois Kincaid as his wife Life knowledge: I knew my parents and their siblings and they acknowledged me as their son and/or nephew ___________________________________________________ Charles Vernon Kincaid (Sr), b Baltimore, MD, Oct 29, 1882 d Dec 2, 1950. m Towson MD Sept 12, 1926 Lois M Miller Son of Frank Wallace Kincaid and Mary Delphine Baer Proven by: “Kincaid Family Bible” listing births, deaths, and marriages of Kincaid/Baer family from 1855 onward. Charles’s birthday given as October 29, 1882, in my possession. Charles V. Kincaid Certificate of Death, Baltimore city lists birth and death dates as above 1900 Federal Census of Baltimore city Frank Kincaid, husband, age 48 MD mother born England Delphine, wife, age 45 PA Charles V, son, age 17 MD James W, son, age 14 MD George C, son, age 12 PA Sophie A, daughter age 9 PA Carroll L, son age 6, MD Marriage Certificate: Frank W. Kincaid of Baltimore and Mary D. Baer of Bryansville, York County, PA, were joined in marriage the 13th day of January, 1881, in Bryansville, PA, (near Fawn Grove) by Joseph D. Smith, minister. Witnesses were Clara Kincaid (Frank’s sister) and Charles S. Baer (Dellies brother). Copy in my files. Obituary from Baltimore newspaper announcing the death of Frank W. Kincaid and plans for burial in Slate Ridge Cemetery in Delta, PA. Surviving children: Charles V. George C, Sophie A. and Carroll L. Frank W. and Mary D. (who died May 16, 1903) Kincaid were buried in Slate Ridge Cemetery, (near Fawn Grove) along with Frank’s unmarried sister, Ida V, and Frank and Dellie’s son, James Wallace who died age 19 of TB on Oct 24 1904 Oil paintings of Frank W. and Mary D. Kincaid on their wedding day, January 13, 1881. (In my possession) Life knowledge: I knew my father’s sister and two brothers and they acknowledged him as their sibling ________________________________________________ Frank Wallace Kincaid, b Baltimore, MD, Jan 25, 1856, d Feb 22, 1908 m Jan 13, 1881 Mary Delphine Baer Son of James R. Kincaid and Anna Cave Proven by: “Kincaid Family Bible” listing births, deaths, marriages of the Kincaid family from 1855 onward. Frank’s birthday given as January 25, 1856 Certified Baltimore City Certificate of Death of Frank W. Kincaid with birth and death dates as above Baltimore City Marriage Licenses Issued (1851-1865),pg.330, James Kincaid and Anna Cave married November 24, 1852, Hall of Records, Annapolis Md. 1860 Federal Census of Baltimore City, p 706 18th ward James R. Kincaide , age 40, MD Emma (Anna) age 37 Eng Clara age 7 MD Frank, age 4 MD Ida age 1 MD Baltimore Directory for 1860 653 W. Baltimore St. in 18th ward Baltimore, MD. James R., Anna, Clara, Frank W., and Idah V. (Files of Baltimore Directories at Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) Baltimore Directories from 1852-1887 list J. R. Kincaid and family living at various residences in Baltimore during these years. (Baltimore City Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore Md) Gravestones in Loudon Park Cemetery, Baltimore, MD James R. Kincaid’s date of birth as August 20, 1816, died November 21, 1887. Wife Anna Cave Kincaid, age 75, died February 22, 1898. Also burial plots of two unnamed young children, one is noted as “child of James R. Kincaid” (Personal visit to Loudon Park Cemetery. Baltimore, Md) Photographs of James R. Kincaid and wife, Anna Cave Kincaid, as an elderly couple, circa 1885, (in my possession). ________________________________________ James R. Kincaid b Baltimore, MD, Aug 20, 1816 d Baltimore MD Nov 21, 1887. m Baltimore, MD Nov 24,1852 Anna Cave Son of James Kincaid and Barbara Kendall Proven by Certificate of Death, Baltimore City Health Department, documents J. R. Kincaid’s birth and death dates, August 20, 1816, died November 21, 1887. (Certified Copy, Baltimore City Health Department) September 28, 1812, James Kincaid married Barbara Kendall at the 1st Methodist Episcopal Church, Light Street, Baltimore. Wedding performed by Rev. George Roberts. (1st Methodist Episcopal Church records, Maryland Historical Society records, Baltimore, MD) U. S. Federal Census of 1830 pg 189 Ward 4 of Baltimore City James Kincaid One male 50-60 one male 5-10 one male 10-15 one female 50-60 one female 20-30 one female 15-20 one female 10-15 one female 5-10 First Methodist Episcopal Church Light St. church records. Marriages: Ann Kincaid and George Sanders, 7 June 1832 by Rev. J. Frye Cecelia Kincaid and Isaac Wentz, 17 February 1838 by Rev. J. Frye Amelia E. Kincaid and Frederick Amos, 27 October 1845 by Rev. W. M. Evans James R. Kincaid and Anna Cave, 24 November 1852 by unreadable. Baltimore American announcement of 15 June 1832 announced marriage of Ann Kincaid, daughter of James Kincaid, to George Sanders, tea merchant of Baltimore. Death of James Kincaid announced in the Baltimore American newspaper of September 15, 1832, “James Kincaid, long a merchant of Baltimore died of the cholera on September 7.” (Diehlman File of Baltimore Newspapers, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) James Kincaid was buried in the Old North Burial Ground in Baltimore. James and his wife Barbara were reinterred on July 2, 1877 in Greenmount Cemetery in Baltimore when the Old North Burial Ground was disestablished to make way for the expanding downtown of Baltimore. James was reinterred in the burial plot of his daughter, Ann (Kincaid) Sanders. (Personal Visit to Greenmount Cemetery) US Federal Census 1840 Baltimore, MD 12th ward Barbay Kinkaid, age 50 to 60, two males, age 15 to 20, one male, 20 to 30 (who I believe is James R. Kincaid). U.S. Federal Census of 1850 Baltimore City, MD, 18th ward Barbara (Barbay) Kingcade head of household James R. Kincaid age 30 Margaret Miller, age 24 Charles Amos, age 4 16 others The Baltimore Directory of 1850 lists Barbay Kingcade as running a boarding house at 20 Pearl St. with the same named 20 people as in the USFC. Will of Thomas Kincaid, son of Samuel Kincaid of Fawn and brother of James Kincaid, who died November 1857 in Fawn Township. PA. Will proven 1867 in Fawn. (Thomas b 1790 had never married) He left his estate to: Lewis Kincaid $300 Agnes Dunlap $30 Heirs of James Kincaid: Elisabeth Wentz Ann Sanders Margaret Miller James R. Kincaid Samuel Kincaid Cecilia Wentz son of Amelia Kincaid Amos (Charles Amos) daughter of James R. Kincaid (Clara) Heirs of Jenny Kincaid McLaughlin: Samuel McLaughlin, Wallace McLaughlin, Jane Kilgore, Nancy McLaughlin, Martha Tarbert Wallace Kincaid Joseph Kincaid’s children. My father, Charles V. Kincaid, Sr., his brothers and sister often visited the Fawn Grove-Bryansville-Delta region. He explained to me that he went back to Fawn with his father, Frank W. Kincaid. Frank W had gone every summer with his father James R. Kincaid to visit friends (McLaughlins, Clarkes, Watsons, etc.) from the “old neighborhood.” That is why my father took me there. ____________________________________ James Kincaid b Fawn Township, PA abt. 1776; d Sept 7, 1832 m Baltimore MD Sept 28, 1812 Barbara Kendall Son of Samuel Kincaid and Agness (unknown) Proven by: Oct. 1810 PA will of Samuel Kincaid of Fawn Township named as heirs his wife Agness, (sometimes called Nancy) sons: John, James, Samuel, David, Wallace, Joseph, and Thomas daughters: Margaret Vance, Jenny McLaughlin, Nancy and heirs of his daughter, Jean McCleary (dec’d). Also mentioned as an heir was Samuel’s grandson, Lewis Kincaid. (Will Book M, pg. 274, York County Heritage Trust files, York, PA) Inventory of Samuel Kincaid’s estate was signed by his wife Agness James Kincaid, first shown on tax lists, taxed $1.00, in Fawn Township, York County, PA, as a single man in 1797.( first appearance on tax list would indicated he was age 21 thus b c1776) (York County Tax Record Roll 5226, York County, PA, archives.) Baltimore City Directory of 1803 James Kincaid 133 High St. Baltimore City Directory of 1804 James Kincaid 153 High St. occupation school teacher David Kincaid 153 High St. occupation drayman. David listed with James at that address in 1805, 1806, and 1807. (Baltimore City Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) U.S. Federal Census of 1810 Wards 2-6, Baltimore pg 268 James Kincaid one male 26-45 one male 16-25 one female over 45 one female 16-25 two females under 10. Baltimore City Directory of 1813 James Kincaid 153 High St. Baltimore, MD occupation grocer Wallace Kincaid 153 High St., Baltimore, MD occupation grocer Wallace remained at that address with James until 1819. (Baltimore Directories file, Maryland Historical Society, Baltimore, MD) _________________________________ Samuel Kincaid, b abt. 1736, d Oct 1810 Fawn Township, York County, PA. Parents unknown What is known: 1749-Warrant, dated June 6, 1749, granted to Alexander McCanless for land in Fawn Township Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania. ( Pennsylvania State Archives RG-17, Records of the Land Office, WARRANT REGISTERS 1733-1757, Surnames beginning with “M”). This warrant was filed before York County was formed August 14, 1749, and thus is listed in Lancaster County warrants 1772-Samuel Kincaid bought 271 acres called Poplar Quarter from Archibald White in Fawn Township (deed not yet recovered). 1779-Samuel Kincaid listed on roll of York County Militia, Capt. William Gray's company (ICHT Courtesy Mr. John Heisey). Samuel Kincaid taxed in Fawn 1779 - 1810 (York County Archives, York, PA) 1790-U.S. Federal Census York Co. PA Samuel Kincaid three males over 16 five males under 16 4 females (York Co Archives, York Pa) 1797-Samuel Kincaid taxed in Fawn for 150 acres. (CCAR) 1800-US Federal Census, York County, PA Samuel Kincaid 1 male 45+ 0 males 26-45 2 males 16-25 2 males 10-15 1 female 45+ 1 female 116-25 1810- Samuel Kincaid (119921) died October 1810. Will lists his children as heirs and left Poplar Quarter to sons Joseph and Thomas. 1813-Survey of Poplar Quarter. “Joseph and Thomas Kincaid situate in Fawn Township in the county of York containing as above 271 acres & 61 perches and allowance, of land originally surveyed by William Matthews, late DS, on the 21st day of the 1st month 1771 for Archibald White in pursuance of a warrant which was granted to Alexander McCanless (Poplar Quarter) bearing the date of 6th of June 1749. And now, on the 16th day of June 1813, the same has been calculated, examined, and found to be correct and at the request of the present owners, Joseph and Thomas Kincaid, the same is returned for confirmation. Adjacent land owners: Joseph Ross, Barrens, William Smilee, Barrens, Barrens, Thomas Brannon,. Per Jacob Spangler, DS. To Andrew Porter Esq. Surveyor General, Harrisburg.” (Pennsylvania State Archives, RG-17, Records of the Land Office ,COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, Vol B-9, pg 12.) 1813 Patent.-Joseph and Thomas Kincaid (119921) patented 271 acres, 61 perches July 10, 1813, warrantee, Alexander McCanless (Poplar Quarter) June 6, 1749 Fawn Township York County Pa. (Pennsylvania State Archives RG-17, Records of the Land Office, PATENT INDEX, H Series (H1 to H20), 1809-1823, Surnames beginning with K, pg 189, Patent Book Vol 9, pg 196. Courtesy Norman Kincaide) Samuel Kincaid’s possible father,: John Kinkead of Sadsbury, Chester Co. PA Will of John Kinkead proven Nov 1771 wife Mary left farm to son Charles, twenty pounds to sons: David, John, Samuel, James Left sums to sons-in-laws" Adam Hope (married daughter Agnes) Thomas Kilpatrick John Simril (married daughter Mary) Josiah Crawford (courtesy Norman Kincaide..CCAR) A Samuel Kincaid was taxed in Sadsbury as a single man in 1757 and a married man 1758-65. He was taxed in West Caln (adjacent township) 1765-1772. This Samuel fits in age and possible marriage year. His disappearance from West Caln in 1772 coincides with Samuels 1772 purchase of Poplar Quarter in Fawn, York Co. PA. There is a close DNA match with #37382 and #8144 both of whom believe descent from John of Sadsbury. Definative proof is being sought.

Yes, thanks to Peter and others. I know there's a William Kinkead in my across-the-pond line somewhere. My DNA is identical to Capt William and his descendants, though I am not one of them. Hope, yes. Change, keep it. Dick Kinkead 2562 A1a Lantana, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? > Larry, this was an error on my part. See my subsequent > post. The William is not likely the ancestor of Groups C > set 1 Kincaids. However, he may be an ancestor of > participant 94749 in Group A. This is because 94749 > subsequently lived in the same area. > > Records across the pond are in many cases > useless to us here in North America because > we have no record here of who were the parents > of our North American patriarchs and/or where > they actually lived before coming here. The > reality is that for many there probably never will be > an answer to link the two. The best one can do in > that case is to infer who a more distant ancestor was > based on DNA results of participants who can link back > to the OId World and carry their lineage back there. > > Peter

Larry, this was an error on my part. See my subsequent post. The William is not likely the ancestor of Groups C set 1 Kincaids. However, he may be an ancestor of participant 94749 in Group A. This is because 94749 subsequently lived in the same area. Records across the pond are in many cases useless to us here in North America because we have no record here of who were the parents of our North American patriarchs and/or where they actually lived before coming here. The reality is that for many there probably never will be an answer to link the two. The best one can do in that case is to infer who a more distant ancestor was based on DNA results of participants who can link back to the OId World and carry their lineage back there. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? So, if we can trace this William back another couple of centuries to Scotland, we can find the common ancestor that links group C-1 to group C-2. Right? Or do we need 300 years to account for that DNA discrepancy between the two groups. Either way, do we have any knowledge of this 17th century William Kincaid's ancestors in Scotland? Larry Kincaid, Group C-2 P.S. Continuing to grasp at straws!

Don, this is what we have worked out. She looked over the book on the phone with me and said all the listings are alphabetical. So, I don't think there will be any loss of information by keeping it "in context" with neighboring families or anything. There was some additional information in the book that sounded interesting (difficult to take in over the phone), but it did not directly relate to the Kincaid name. She is copying the Kincaid references and mailing them to me. She also shared that they have a wonderful group of people at the Shawnee County Genealogical Library, and apparently they have a LOT of reference books. She even believes that they may loan out their materials. They are open M,W,Th, and Sa from 1-4 (Kansas time). Their number is 785-233-5762. Their website is www.tgstopeka.org Hope that helps out. As soon as she sends me the copies, I will scan them and send them on to you. Wish me luck tonight!! I'm having a program here at the library for the boyscouts to get their genealogy badge. :) Debby -----Original Message----- From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:45 am Subject: Re: [KINCAID] The Book of Irish Families, Great and Small Great! Perhaps someone at the library which has the book can look up the part on Kincaid's and send it without the hassle of sending. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: gregndebbypotter@aol.com To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] The Book of Irish Families, Great and Small Don, I've contacted the library that is handling the inter-library loan of Families of Co. Limerick, Ireland. They have a policy against loaning that book out, but they are looking into sending it here, since I can reference it in-library and see if there may be other useful information in it. They are also going to check if they have the other volumes that were not listed in the system. I'm at work right now, and the librarian there is so friendly and helpful. She said she's working on some other ideas, as well. Apparently, there is a genealogical society there that has a whole bunch of this reference material (possibly all of the O'Laughlin books). Debby -----Original Message----- From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: Kincaid Rootsweb List <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:17 pm Subject: [KINCAID] The Book of Irish Families, Great and Small We found several references to Kincaid of various spellings in The Book of Irish Families, Great & Small index. Has anyone found this 28 volume book in a USA or Canada library? Kincade, Vol. 24 Kincaid Vol. 8 Kincaide page 169 of index Kincade page 169 of index Kinkade Vol. 26 Kinkaid page 169 of index Kinkead Vol. 8 We did not find any McKincaid's or MacKincaids. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincai d of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don, I've contacted the library that is handling the inter-library loan of Families of Co. Limerick, Ireland. They have a policy against loaning that book out, but they are looking into sending it here, since I can reference it in-library and see if there may be other useful information in it. They are also going to check if they have the other volumes that were not listed in the system. I'm at work right now, and the librarian there is so friendly and helpful. She said she's working on some other ideas, as well. Apparently, there is a genealogical society there that has a whole bunch of this reference material (possibly all of the O'Laughlin books). Debby -----Original Message----- From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: Kincaid Rootsweb List <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:17 pm Subject: [KINCAID] The Book of Irish Families, Great and Small We found several references to Kincaid of various spellings in The Book of Irish Families, Great & Small index. Has anyone found this 28 volume book in a USA or Canada library? Kincade, Vol. 24 Kincaid Vol. 8 Kincaide page 169 of index Kincade page 169 of index Kinkade Vol. 26 Kinkaid page 169 of index Kinkead Vol. 8 We did not find any McKincaid's or MacKincaids. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So, if we can trace this William back another couple of centuries to Scotland, we can find the common ancestor that links group C-1 to group C-2. Right? Or do we need 300 years to account for that DNA discrepancy between the two groups. Either way, do we have any knowledge of this 17th century William Kincaid's ancestors in Scotland? Larry Kincaid, Group C-2 P.S. Continuing to grasp at straws! On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: > Peter, > > >From what I have read the Hearth Tax was based on the number of hearths in > a home & wonder if you agree? William Kinkead's 10 hearths indicates a large > house and likely servants to keep wood or peat cut. I can't imagine 10 > fireplaces in one home, castle, yes. > > Don W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter A. Kincaid > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:07 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? > > > The 1665 Hearthmoney Roll for the parish of Drumhome, > Co. Donegal lists one Wm Kinkead with 10 hearths > [Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. T283/D/3/63]. > > I believe samples 1648, 2566, 7529, 4749 and 76321 all > have 18th century roots in this part of County Donegal, Ireland. > > Peter A. Kincaid > Fredericton, NB, Canada > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Great! Perhaps someone at the library which has the book can look up the part on Kincaid's and send it without the hassle of sending. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: gregndebbypotter@aol.com To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] The Book of Irish Families, Great and Small Don, I've contacted the library that is handling the inter-library loan of Families of Co. Limerick, Ireland. They have a policy against loaning that book out, but they are looking into sending it here, since I can reference it in-library and see if there may be other useful information in it. They are also going to check if they have the other volumes that were not listed in the system. I'm at work right now, and the librarian there is so friendly and helpful. She said she's working on some other ideas, as well. Apparently, there is a genealogical society there that has a whole bunch of this reference material (possibly all of the O'Laughlin books). Debby -----Original Message----- From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: Kincaid Rootsweb List <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:17 pm Subject: [KINCAID] The Book of Irish Families, Great and Small We found several references to Kincaid of various spellings in The Book of Irish Families, Great & Small index. Has anyone found this 28 volume book in a USA or Canada library? Kincade, Vol. 24 Kincaid Vol. 8 Kincaide page 169 of index Kincade page 169 of index Kinkade Vol. 26 Kinkaid page 169 of index Kinkead Vol. 8 We did not find any McKincaid's or MacKincaids. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the comment Don as it made me realize my obvious error. I'll have to refrain from making morning posts again! I misread the entry in the catalogue. The title for T283/D/3/63 is Hearthmoney roll for the parish of Drumhome. It is a very long catalogue entry and buried in there is a note that the remaining is a list for all of County Donegal. The 10 is actually a page number and refers to another part of County Donegal. I am sure this is William Kinkead who is recorded in the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls for one hearth in Garvery (ie. Garvary) townland in Fahen Parish (ie. close to Londonderry). My apologies for my error. I guess I got caught up in the excitement of appearing to find something new that could be quite significant for a good part of our DNA project. Peter P.S. The catalogue contains many Kinkead entries relating to the Kinkeads of Baronscourt. These are records in the Abercorn estate papers. A lot of this was available in book form. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don W. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? Peter, >From what I have read the Hearth Tax was based on the number of hearths in a home & wonder if you agree? William Kinkead's 10 hearths indicates a large house and likely servants to keep wood or peat cut. I can't imagine 10 fireplaces in one home, castle, yes. Don W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:07 AM Subject: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? The 1665 Hearthmoney Roll for the parish of Drumhome, Co. Donegal lists one Wm Kinkead with 10 hearths [Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. T283/D/3/63]. I believe samples 1648, 2566, 7529, 4749 and 76321 all have 18th century roots in this part of County Donegal, Ireland. Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the correction to 1 hearth. I agree on the excitement of the possibilities of this William Kinkead at such an early date. 10 hearths would have made it much more exciting! It will be interesting to see where this leads! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Oops my error was Re: A Group C Patriarch? Thanks for the comment Don as it made me realize my obvious error. I'll have to refrain from making morning posts again! I misread the entry in the catalogue. The title for T283/D/3/63 is Hearthmoney roll for the parish of Drumhome. It is a very long catalogue entry and buried in there is a note that the remaining is a list for all of County Donegal. The 10 is actually a page number and refers to another part of County Donegal. I am sure this is William Kinkead who is recorded in the 1665 Hearth Money Rolls for one hearth in Garvery (ie. Garvary) townland in Fahen Parish (ie. close to Londonderry). My apologies for my error. I guess I got caught up in the excitement of appearing to find something new that could be quite significant for a good part of our DNA project. Peter P.S. The catalogue contains many Kinkead entries relating to the Kinkeads of Baronscourt. These are records in the Abercorn estate papers. A lot of this was available in book form. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don W. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? Peter, >From what I have read the Hearth Tax was based on the number of hearths in a home & wonder if you agree? William Kinkead's 10 hearths indicates a large house and likely servants to keep wood or peat cut. I can't imagine 10 fireplaces in one home, castle, yes. Don W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:07 AM Subject: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? The 1665 Hearthmoney Roll for the parish of Drumhome, Co. Donegal lists one Wm Kinkead with 10 hearths [Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. T283/D/3/63]. I believe samples 1648, 2566, 7529, 4749 and 76321 all have 18th century roots in this part of County Donegal, Ireland. Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Kincaid's on the Kincaid List, We are very fortunate that Keith Kincaid, who is a Kincaid DNA participant, agreed to share ideas that might be helpful for the Irish Mail newspaper article as well as others later on. Keith`s 40 years in journalism included 18 as CEO of The Canadian Press news agency, an organization similar to The Associated Press (AP) in the United States. Since retirement he has written three small books of family history dating back to the mid-1700s in County Donegal. Thanks to Peter A. Kincaid for letting us know of Keith's experience in the news field. Below are Keith's ideas which are excellent. If you have an interesting story in your family history involving Ireland or N. Ireland, we would like to know of them since they might be used in the Irish Mail newspaper story or a later story. (Even if not related to the Potato Famine) Thanks for considering helping with the news articles used in promoting our DNA Project! Don W. Kincaid Don As requested, here are some ideas which might be helpful in getting word about our DNA project onto the pages of a large Irish Sunday paper: 1. The story seems to be self-assigned by the reporter, so he will need to make it interesting enough to convince his editor to print it, perhaps in competition for page space with stories submitted by other reporters. The editor will look for something that will "grab" the reader through an enticing headline and an interesting first three or four paragraphs. (Who among us reads every newspaper story all the way through -- we make our decision based on initial reaction to what we see.) We won't achieve our goal of promoting the Kincaid DNA project if the story is not printed, or is buried on an inside page. 2. So don't be shy about giving the reporter interesting stuff. But if you willingly tell a funny tale about your g-g-grandfather turning his barley crop into illicit Irish whiskey, as was common-place in County Donegal, you can't complain if you don't like the resulting story referring to your ancestor a moonshiner. (There were regularly more convictions in Donegal for illicit whiskey stills than there were in all other Irish counties combined.) Unless specifically stated otherwise, everything you tell a reporter is reportable. 3. What has DNA testing meant for you personally? For example has it put you in touch with distant relatives all over the world, or at least North America, and provided the entrée for comparing paper trails which has broadened everyone's understanding of their roots. What are you interested in now? Perhaps to find that missing link back in Ireland as a result of testing by Irish Kincaids which we hope the story will encourage. Or for those of us already with a paper trail back to Ireland, what we look for is Irish kinfolk who have a paper trail back to Scotland, which is the missing link for so many of us. 4. If it relates to your line don't hesitate to broaden the base of the reporter's story beyond the Famine -- he will likely welcome that. For example, did your ancestors migrate not because of the potatoes, but because of extreme poverty that preceded the Famine? The Industrial Revolution was changing Europe, but not Ireland. The flax crops grown by so many Irish tenant farmers were still being turned into linen by hand looms at a time when the rest of Europe was doing this work through machinery. Unlike in England, Irish farmers couldn't move to the Irish cities to work in factories because there were none there, so they came to North America where there was cheap readily available land and many "shovel-ready" projects where they could work, such as roads and bridges, canals and railways. 5. Did your Irish ancestors come to North America because they were forced off the land by the landowners who wanted to establish the large uninterrupted ranges needed for herds of sheep and cattle? There was more money in that than in collecting rent (when it could be paid) from small plot-holders, typically having 10 to 15 acres. Some landowners forgave rent so that the potential emigrants could build up a travel fund. 6. Irish families were typically large. So the small plot the father had could be passed on to only one of perhaps many sons. What did the others do? They came to North America and either farmed there or built roads and bridges etc. 7. Journalism is "history on the run" and the story about us will not have the benefit of the time available for an historian's academic work. There are bound to be unintentional minor errors, especially if the reporter talks to many of us. He may or may not have a tape recorder going -- feel free to ask him. If something is complicated and has potential for error, offer to e-mail him the details. Keep in mind that his and our goals are the same: he wants an interesting story that will carry his byline and be read by many; Kincaids also want it to be read by many as a means of furthering our DNA project. I hope this is what your were looking for. Keith

Peter, >From what I have read the Hearth Tax was based on the number of hearths in a home & wonder if you agree? William Kinkead's 10 hearths indicates a large house and likely servants to keep wood or peat cut. I can't imagine 10 fireplaces in one home, castle, yes. Don W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:07 AM Subject: [KINCAID] A Group C Patriarch? The 1665 Hearthmoney Roll for the parish of Drumhome, Co. Donegal lists one Wm Kinkead with 10 hearths [Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. T283/D/3/63]. I believe samples 1648, 2566, 7529, 4749 and 76321 all have 18th century roots in this part of County Donegal, Ireland. Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 1665 Hearthmoney Roll for the parish of Drumhome, Co. Donegal lists one Wm Kinkead with 10 hearths [Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. T283/D/3/63]. I believe samples 1648, 2566, 7529, 4749 and 76321 all have 18th century roots in this part of County Donegal, Ireland. Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada

Connie: My prayers are with you as you try to get through this weather event. I can identify with the difficulties you are having, as I live in north-central Michigan (about 75 miles northwest of Lansing). It's a rare winter when we don't have several ice storms that knock out power for several days at a time. So, knowing that, we try to be as prepared as possible, for the "next one", as we know it will come. It's just a matter of when. Since we live on a quarter-mile deadend road, we're kinda on our own, when it comes to survival, so here's a few tips that might help you: 1. For those who think they don't have water, remember that you have a hot water tank. There is a drain, at the bottom, that will allow one to get water to drink. Of course, chilling the water is no problem with all that ice outside. 2. Try to remember if you have a corded phone tucked away, somewhere. Cordless phones are great, as long as there's electricity. They aren't worth a plugged nickel, when the power is out. We have a difficult time getting a cell phone signal in good weather. When those relay towers get covered with ice, you can forget about using a cell phone at all. It seems that the "old-fashioned" technology is still the best, when it comes to ice storms. At least, you can contact people in the "outside world" and can call for emergency assistance, if necessary. You are fortunate to have a gas range to cook on and to use for heat. We're so far off the beaten path, there's no such thing as natural gas. We don't have propane, either. Then, too, the new ranges have a "safety feature" that requires a little spark of electricity in order to ignite the oven. I thought my sister-in-law, in Ohio, was going to murder my brother, when she made that discovery, not too long after he'd surprised her with a new range. They had an ice storm that left them without electricity for over a week. It's also a good time to think about what you may have to eat, tucked away in the freezer. You can prepare several meals, at one time, and then put the cooked food in plastic storage bags and set them in a pile of ice and snow, outside. If you've got a cooler, it's better yet, 'cause you can put the food inside and cover it with that dreadful ice. It will keep better and will guarantee that no neighborhood "critters" will get at it. I could go into detail about how prepared we are, but that would serve no purpose. Suffice it to say that, for a number of years, after I first moved to MI from OH (37 years ago), my Greenbrier "pioneer roots" kicked in and we learned how to survive the vagaries of MI weather. About 10 years ago, we even got 120 mph straight-line winds in May. Boy, you should have seen what it did to the trees and power lines in this area! I do hope that all goes well for you. I always enjoy reading your posts to the list. Do you have enough medical supplies to treat your throat? I see that warmer temps are managing to find their way to KY. That will sure help the crews as they try to restore electricity. Our electric coop has sent a number of line crews down that way, to assist the local power companies. They are used to handling this type of weather, so pray for their safety, as they are hard workers. Hugs, Linda Johnston

Dates : 8 November 1726 Description : A letter from John Shaw to Messrs James McClure and J. Wallace. 'I have your favour of the 29th past advising your draught of that date sume for £100. In favour John Kinkead. I am sorry you were so hasty, for as I cannot tell who is concern'd with Mr Alexander Stewart, I cannot accept any bills on accot. of what is remitted to me for accot. of sd. Mr Stewart and Company, without his order, but shall paysd. bill when it falls due for your honour if you please to order me, in case you can't procure Mr Stewarts order in that time Dates : 12 June 1736 Description : Letter from Jos. Harrison, Dublin, to [Lord Abercorn?]. Detail concerning title to the estate. Refers to Kinkeads claim of Stragolan, Laws claim of Carrowlee. March, 1773 One McGuire priest of Ardstragh has bought litle John Kinkead's holding in Largeymore, which pays £5 7s. 6d. rent; he is to pay for it £52 10s. I hear that James Kinkead of the same town who pays £9 intends also to sell, and that those people purpose to go to America if their bargins are confirmed by your Lordship.' Feb 1774 Copy, Marriage Settlement. Hillsborough Dates : 1 February 1774 Description : Copy, Marriage Settlement. Hillsborough Tullyvallen. Jn. Kinkead, Tullyvallen, Co Armagh with Mary Carson, Spinster, dtr. of Jn. Carson, Hillsborough, Merchant, deceased. Marriage settlement, (1) George Stuart of Dates : 6 July 1765 Description : Marriage settlement, (1) George Stuart of Claudy, esq., (2) Robert Caldwell of Ballyboggan, gent., (3) Magdalen Stuart, widow, (4) Richard Hamilton of Ballindreat and Charles Kinkead of Strabane, merchants: Ballyboggan and Tatesaleagh.

This website below has records for Northern Ireland. Most of the Kinkead records (try various spellings) are after 1725. This is the earliest that I found on this PRONI website, for a David Kincade in Strabane, County Tyrone, in 1661. Repository : Public Record Office for Northern Ireland PRONI Reference : D1062/4/A/2 Level : Item Access : Open Title : Lease between David Maghee, Loghmony, Co. Dates : March 1661 Description : Lease between David Maghee, Loghmony, Co. Tyrone, and David Kincade, Straghgosland, for land in Drumnaboy, Strabane, Co. Tyrone. http://applications.proni.gov.uk:80/LL_DCAL_PRONI_ECATNI/SearchPage.aspx Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Gathering of the Clans: Kincaids > It is speculative of me to say where they settled until > I see the actual grants. I do think these records > survived. > > However, I am pretty sure that Captain Robert Kinkead > settled in the Island Magee area of County Antrim. I > also believe that Claud Kinkead settled in County > Tyrone given that the name Claud Kinkead only appears > there. It is possible that he is the ancestor of the > Baronscourt, County Tyrone Kinkeads. Captain Alexander > Kinkead died in 1661 and had sons Robert, John, Hugh > and Paul. I'm not sure where he settled but County > Antrim is likely for one of the Alexanders. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Kincaid > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Gathering of the Clans: Kincaids > > > Thanks, Peter. I could have guessed that from the thoroughness of the > content. I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't some imposter of > you out there who did it. As usual, I came across what was new > information > for me on the Wikipedia site. As quoted below: "*Captain Alexander > Kinked, > Captain Robert Kinkead, Claud Kinkead and Alexander Kinkead were among > the > '49 officers who received grants in Ireland upon King Charles' return to > power." I assume the 49 refers to 1649. Two Alexander's, a Robert, and > a > Claud in 1649 could have left a long trail of descendents somewhere in > the > world. Does anyone have any records of what they did with their land > grants > in Ireland, and, of course, what might have happened to their descendents > 2-3 generations later when the migration from Ireland to North America > took > place? My understanding is that all the paper records of colonists in > Northern Ireland perished when the courthouse holding them burned down in > the last Irish uprising against the British around 1919 or so. Don > (Larry) > Kincaid > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Peter A. Kincaid > <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca>wrote: > > > I wrote and uploaded most of the information that is on > > the Clan Kincaid wijipedia website. > > > > Peter A. Kincaid > > Fredericton, NB, Canada > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message