K-listers, Kinkead Ridge Winery in Ohio has added a couple of geneaological notes to the blog: http://www.kinkeadridgewinery.typepad.com/ Dick Kinkead Lantana, FL

K-listers, My cousin, Florence Marion Phelps Hidy of Colorado Springs, died in her sleep this morning at the age of 104. She was the daughter of Nina Lulu Kinkead Phelps of Cozad, NE, and the granddaughter of James Wylie Kinkead of Omaha, NE. I believe she was the oldest living Kincaid cousin unless someone knows differently. Dick Kinkead Lantana, FL

Is anyone on the list related to this Kinkade? I just perused the Kinkade Papers on microfilm from the Henry E. Huntington Library in San Marino (film ordered by Hulme Kinkade in 1962). They were hard to read (white lettering on black background). I could not find this family's genealogy posted online but did find the family in the 1860 and 1870 Placer Co., CA censuses. The letters were mostly to his brother JAMES KINKADE in Marysville, Marion Co., OH and are dated 1850 through 1864. Of interest is this entry from March 31st, 1858: ""I little thought when the Marysville California Boys left your beautiful little town on the twenty first of march forty nine; that ten, that fifteen years would separate us." This Kinkade family appears to be: father: John T. Kinkade, born 1827 VA mother: Ann, 1834 Albert C., 1854 James Henry, b. Nov. 18, 1856 Carrie I., 1857 John Wendell, 1861 Edwin M. 1865 John T. Kinkade was listed as Superintendent of Public Schools while living in Rocklin, Placer Co., CA (1870). His letters were mostly from his home at Secret Gulch, Placer co., Cal. Margie

Since there has not been questions or reservations voiced concerning the lineage from 119921 to Samuel, I am marking that line as vetted. Sue Liedtke

The power problem may have been the issue for bouncing the mail I will keep this and the YAHOO as your main emails so I know they will get thru --- On Tue, 2/24/09, C P Hurley <cphurley@roadrunner.com> wrote: From: C P Hurley <cphurley@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Tamara Kincaide has a new email-Thanks To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 12:34 AM Tam, It is now in my address book- and guess what Tam, this message did not bounce and it came right to my address at cphurley@roadrunner.com And so have all the messages from the Kincaid List. I checked to make sure I did receive them. So now we do know that this is working (my e-mail address) that is (SMILE), but then no wonder( -it may not have been working correctly from all the power outages here in Kentucky) Thanks for the update on you new e-mail address ! "Hugs" Connie *In Beautiful Western Kentucky* DNA Kincaid # 3350 DNA Knight #N38010 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Connie's Links-Lots of Links-Try Them www.angelfire.com/ky2/connie/Links.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\o/) Scatter seeds of kindness where you may go! /_\ Browse the KINCAID archives http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=KINCAID Browse the KINCAID archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KINCAID/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamara Kincaide" <tamarak@evansville.net> To: <INVANDER-D@rootsweb.com>; <INWARRIC-L@rootsweb.com>; <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com>; <KYBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com>; <KYMUHLEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:15 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Tamara Kincaide has a new email : Subject: Tamara Kincaide has a new email starting FEB 23 2009 : : My old email discontinue MARCH 5TH 2009 : tamarak@evansville.net : : I am attempting to change the email address on my genealogy accounts : so be patient. : : tamarakincaide@att.net : Tamara's new email To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tam, It is now in my address book- and guess what Tam, this message did not bounce and it came right to my address at cphurley@roadrunner.com And so have all the messages from the Kincaid List. I checked to make sure I did receive them. So now we do know that this is working (my e-mail address) that is (SMILE), but then no wonder( -it may not have been working correctly from all the power outages here in Kentucky) Thanks for the update on you new e-mail address ! "Hugs" Connie *In Beautiful Western Kentucky* DNA Kincaid # 3350 DNA Knight #N38010 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Connie's Links-Lots of Links-Try Them www.angelfire.com/ky2/connie/Links.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\o/) Scatter seeds of kindness where you may go! /_\ Browse the KINCAID archives http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=KINCAID Browse the KINCAID archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/KINCAID/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamara Kincaide" <tamarak@evansville.net> To: <INVANDER-D@rootsweb.com>; <INWARRIC-L@rootsweb.com>; <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com>; <KYBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com>; <KYMUHLEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:15 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Tamara Kincaide has a new email : Subject: Tamara Kincaide has a new email starting FEB 23 2009 : : My old email discontinue MARCH 5TH 2009 : tamarak@evansville.net : : I am attempting to change the email address on my genealogy accounts : so be patient. : : tamarakincaide@att.net : Tamara's new email

Subject: Tamara Kincaide has a new email starting FEB 23 2009 My old email discontinue MARCH 5TH 2009 tamarak@evansville.net I am attempting to change the email address on my genealogy accounts so be patient. tamarakincaide@att.net Tamara's new email

Sort of a late reply but actually I did make a big deal of this some time back, especially in the case of Group C. My point was that we seemed to keep looking stateside for connections between us and we need to be looking at the possibility that our lines came over already as branches. This seems obvious when put this way, but when you observe our conversations and efforts I don't see us acknolwledging this as obvious. When you've had a brick wall somewhere in the 1750-1770 range for a long time I think it's time to look at immigration. The exception to this lies in how confident we are that all local resources have been tapped. It sounds like PA and VA have been milked for all it's worth. Perhaps, it would help if we had some kind of survey as to what original sources have been thoroughly scanned, and what sources we think need to be delved into deeper. Bruce Teague ---- Larry Kincaid <larryk34@gmail.com> wrote: > Thinking back, it seems like I hardly ever hear anyone on this forum mention > ship passenger lists as documentation for ancestors dates and ties to > Scotland/Ireland. The question arises when there's confusion over initial > immigration to PA, VA, or MA, etc. Granted, once ashore you can move in any > direction. But from say 1685 to 1746, there may not have been that many > Kincaids of any spelling migrating to America and Canada. We're trying to > separate out the Kincaids who may have immigrated first to VA and then some > of them moving on to PA or the Carolinas (before KY and OH opened up on the > other side). > > So, if a group of Kincaids immigrated first to northern Virginia, where did > their boat land? What's the port of entry in those days from ships coming > from Scotland or Ireland to VA? And then, of course, what do the passenger > records from the ships show. > > I once stumbled into a book of passenger ship records in the library in > Albany, NY. I thought I could easily skim to Kincaids and get a lead on my > own. I was quite surpised to see so many Kincaids in different years and so > many with the same first names. But this might not have been before say > 1746. I use 1746 for the latest date because it would presumably cover the > so-called four brothers who went to VA. Has anyone found passenger records > for them? Larry Kincaid (Group C-2). > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 2/23/2009 11:43:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, donwkincaid@cox.net writes: SCOTTISH DNA BETTER THAN LIFE INSURANCE Aye, Don W. SMILE! Eliza K **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

The Arizona Scottish Games enjoyed good weather this past weekend. We enjoyed Alex Beaton and other performers but the highlight for us was a barefooted lassie who played her fiddle while doing jigs. We also enjoyed watching the athletic contests and dancing. The fiddler brought to mind the stories about my grandfather Hugh Allen Kincaid who would wake the family early each morning by playing his fiddle while doing jigs. My wife Pat bought me a Tee shirt which reads SCOTTISH DNA BETTER THAN LIFE INSURANCE Aye, Don W.

Peter- Well, we'll see what happens. Wonder what the time frame might be? Should have asked. Dick Kinkead ----- Original Message ----- From: <info@familytreedna.com> To: <rkinkead11@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: Family Tree DNA New Order Confirmation Thank you for ordering the L48,Transfer FeeL48,Transfer Fee tests. Your sample kit number is 2562. The price of your order is $38.50, and the MC credit card ending in ________________ will be charged. We appreciate your business, Family Tree DNA http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com info@familytreedna.com The world's first and largest Genetic Genealogy organization ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Two important announcements > You tested as U106+ (also known as S21+). This is a > fairly large group of R1b which is the dominant clade > in Western Europe. This new L48 SNP looks like it > will break up the U106+ group further. Perhaps > we will find that L48+ represents those who had > continental German origins versus British Isles. Still > lots of sorting out and you are being asked to participate > so you can help pay for figuring things out. It is up > to you whether you want to support this research. > A number of years from now we will likely be able to > have a DNA map of Europe with likely origins of all > these subclades. So far you have been a pioneer > participant with this. > > Best wishes! > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> > To: "Kincaid, Peter A." <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:12 PM > Subject: Fw: Two important announcements > > >> Peter- >> >> I'm not sure what this means. What do you think? >> >> Dick Kinkead >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Dan.Draghici@international.gc.ca> >> To: <rkinkead11@comcast.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:09 AM >> Subject: Two important announcements >> >> >>> We have some important developments in the R1b-U106 that recently occurred. >>> This e-mail is being sent to all project members to inform them of these >>> developments. >>> >>> The first new development is the launching of testing at FTDNA of a new SNP >>> that’s downstream from U106. This SNP is known as L48 and was discovered >>> through testing at 23andMe, another DNA testing company. Several members of >>> the R1b-U106 Project were among those tested at 23andMe. So far of 16 >>> R1b-U106 who are U198- and L1-, 7 have been L48+. This seems to indicate, >>> based on a small sample, that L48 is a large subclade of U106, probably >>> larger than U198 and L1. My guess is that it will take in at least 20-25% of >>> members of the project and perhaps as much as 40-50%. We believe that this >>> is an important SNP for members and the project and definitely worth >>> testing. >>> >>> Based on these results from 23andMe and their own research testing, FTDNA >>> will begin to offer L48 on the “advanced orders” menu on Monday, Feb. 16. >>> The normal price for a single L-series SNP on this menu is $39. After >>> discussing this SNP and its potential with me, Bennett Greenspan agreed to >>> offer the SNP for $29, at least initially, to encourage wide testing among >>> project members. If you have not ordered from the “advanced orders” menu >>> before, there will also be a one-time fee of $9.50 to transfer some of your >>> DNA sample from the University of Arizona lab, where the basic testing for >>> FTDNA is done, to the new FTDNA lab in Houston. >>> >>> Some of you who have been members of the project for several months may >>> remember that FTDNA placed L5 and L6 on the “advanced orders” menu as >>> downstream of U106. They did not initially inform customers that all the >>> evidence they had was that both these SNPs occurred very recently and are >>> probably only found in one paternal line. As project administrators, we made >>> sure that project members knew this important fact once we realized it. >>> Unfortunately, there were a significant number of members who ordered L5 or >>> L6 or both without knowing there wasn’t much chance of testing positive for >>> either. >>> >>> But L48 is definitely the “real thing.” We are sure that this is a >>> significant SNP for those who’ve already tested U106+. We know this because >>> we’ve been able to independently observe the results coming from 23andMe. We >>> understand that the economic crisis has had serious effects on most people’s >>> finances. However, if you feel that the price for this test is not a burden, >>> we strongly encourage you to order L48. The information we get from who is >>> L48+ and who is L48- may provide us with important evidence for the age of >>> U106 and its possible geography of origin and migrations. It will also allow >>> members to rule out close matches who differ with them on L48. (If you test >>> L48+ and a close match tests L48-, then the match is not as significant as >>> it seemed.) So a negative result is just as important as a positive result. >>> >>> The second development is that we have had a reorganization of the >>> administrator team. David Weston, who had been our administrator since the >>> formation of the project last March, and Dan Draghici, one of the >>> co-administrators, have exchanged positions. David wants to devote more time >>> to the East Anglia geographic project, of which he’s the administrator. >>> David will still provide analysis of the results in the project. Previously, >>> he had put together tables comparing results among pairs of project members >>> two or more times a month. Now David plans to do new comparisons about once >>> a month. Many members are not aware of these very useful comparisons. For >>> most members, if you go >>> http://www.geocities.com/thurlowons/R1b1c9/profiles.html and click on your >>> kit number, you will see a comparison with almost every other member of the >>> project in terms of genetic distance and “time to most recent common >>> ancestor” (TMRCA). For those who have a “null 425” result, almost 10% of the >>> project members, you can find a similar comparison page at >>> http://www.geocities.com/thurlowons/R1b1c9/profiles_n425.html. >>> >>> Please write back and ask, if you have any questions. >>> >>> Mike Maddi >>> R1b-U106 Project Co-Administrator >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message was processed by the FTDNA Email System. >>> The original headers are: >>> To: Dan.Draghici@international.gc.ca;dan_draggon@hotmail.com

Thanks to Grant Kinkead of Australia, we have a new DNA participant who traces back to County Limerick, Ireland. They have not found a connection but Grant also traces there and they have been sharing info and Grant suggested he might want to do the dna test. We are still looking for more Irish and Scottish participants. Don W.

Sample 2617 was given by Bill Kincaid, author of the Clan Kincaid history book. His ancestry can be traced back to Rev. Joseph Kinkead of Stranolar, County Donegal, Ireland and Killinchy, County Down, Ireland. Rev. Joseph Kinkead was of the Baronscourt Kinkeads and evidence is strong that Rev. Joseph Kinkead was also the son of Joseph. Now Bill Kincaid claims his ancestor was of the Kincaids of Auchenreoch, an estate near the original Kincaid lands in the Parish of Campsie, Scotland. He thought his ancestor was a Michael Kincaid. However, there is no evidence for this other than a claim by his grandfather who clearly was referring to Nesbit's System of Heraldry for information on the Kincaid's Scottish history. The history of Bill Kincaid's family as recorded by his ancestor in 1829 states that his ancestor came over in 1680 to help the Hamiltons of Baronscourt in the civil war of that time (William of Orange versus King James). He states that they were from the Paisley area of Scotland. There is no mention of the Kincaids of Auchereoch. The reason I now question the Auchenreoch angle to sample 2617 is that I recently learned that the earliest reference to a Kincaid in County Londonderry was one Ninian Kincaid in the 1640s/50s. Ninian Kincaid is a very rare Kincaid name and one can show that the only Ninian Kincaids of record in Scotland was 1) the eldest son of John Kincaid of Auchenreoch by his second wife Isobel Forsyth and 2) this Ninian's son Ninian. Now DNA samples of Kincaids with known links to County Londonderry, Ireland show no close connection to sample 2617. There is no proof that those DNA participants with Londonderry roots descend from Ninian. However, being from Londonderry gives them a better claim to Ninian than sample 2617 whose ancestry was deeper in County Tyrone, Ireland. All in all, I think it prudent that we do not draw any conclusions yet about either Kincaid branches being of the Auchenreoch Kincaids. Both can't be and the actual records are not clear. Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada

Don, I have been contacted by a descendant of James Kincaid/Margaret Wyatt about a DNA test for her uncle. We do not have a participant from James Kincaid in the DNA test and this would be great to have to prove that he is a brother to John Kincaid/Nancy Young and Thomas Kincaid/Martha Wyatt. I emailed her and told her that I would pass on the information to you so that you can contact her to tell her what they need to do to get the test. Her name is Kelly Kincaid and her email is thatblondechick77@yahoo.com. Thanks. Meredith Kincaid On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:50 PM , Don W. Kincaid wrote: > Since we know there was a Castle Wood community in County Tyrone and > also one near the Clinch River in SW Virginia, I am wondering if some > County Tyrone folks were also in Georgia since we see there is a > Castlewood community in Tyrone, Fayette County, Georgia, USA. Any > Georgians know why or how the GA Castlewood community got it's name? > Since the name of the town is Tyrone, it would be logical to assume > Scots-Irish from Co. Tyrone named it but that is only an assumption. > Castlewood > 2 acres for sale on a lake > 18 Castlewood Rd > Tyrone, Georgia 30290 > County: Fayette > We also see there is a Castle Wood House in County Kerry, Ireland. So > this opens up a new can of worms for how Castlewood, VA was named, > however I would bet on County Tyrone. To see the Kincaid of all > spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Meredith! We have sent Kelly information on the Kincaid DNA Project and look forward to Kelly's male Kincaid joining. We have a new participant as a result of the story in the LA Times and have several others considering joining who read the story. We still have a lot of areas we could use more participants in to help clear up kinship between lines. We visited via phone with the grandparents of Kurt Kincaid who is a freshman at La Crosse University in Wisconsin. Kurt is 6' 6" and a great shooter, having made 6 of 7 3 point shots in the last game. Douglas Kincaid, the grandfather, said his line of Kincaid's came from Breathitt & Lee County, Kentucky to Wisconsin. Anyone who wants to read the story go to http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2009/02/15/sports/03colrdp.txt We regularly contact Kincaid's in the news in hopes of finding some who will benefit from the Kincaid DNA testing and use Google's search feature to send us links to stories about Kincaid's in the news. Normally the stories are good news like the one for Kurt but one day last week every story was about Kincaid's in trouble with the law in some way. I am glad that was a one time affair! Don W. ----- Original Message ----- From: meredith.kincaid@cox.net To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid/Margaret Wyatt DNA participent. Don, I have been contacted by a descendant of James Kincaid/Margaret Wyatt about a DNA test for her uncle. We do not have a participant from James Kincaid in the DNA test and this would be great to have to prove that he is a brother to John Kincaid/Nancy Young and Thomas Kincaid/Martha Wyatt. I emailed her and told her that I would pass on the information to you so that you can contact her to tell her what they need to do to get the test. Her name is Kelly Kincaid and her email is thatblondechick77@yahoo.com. Thanks. Meredith Kincaid On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 12:50 PM , Don W. Kincaid wrote: > Since we know there was a Castle Wood community in County Tyrone and > also one near the Clinch River in SW Virginia, I am wondering if some > County Tyrone folks were also in Georgia since we see there is a > Castlewood community in Tyrone, Fayette County, Georgia, USA. Any > Georgians know why or how the GA Castlewood community got it's name? > Since the name of the town is Tyrone, it would be logical to assume > Scots-Irish from Co. Tyrone named it but that is only an assumption. > Castlewood > 2 acres for sale on a lake > 18 Castlewood Rd > Tyrone, Georgia 30290 > County: Fayette > We also see there is a Castle Wood House in County Kerry, Ireland. So > this opens up a new can of worms for how Castlewood, VA was named, > however I would bet on County Tyrone. To see the Kincaid of all > spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since we know there was a Castle Wood community in County Tyrone and also one near the Clinch River in SW Virginia, I am wondering if some County Tyrone folks were also in Georgia since we see there is a Castlewood community in Tyrone, Fayette County, Georgia, USA. Any Georgians know why or how the GA Castlewood community got it's name? Since the name of the town is Tyrone, it would be logical to assume Scots-Irish from Co. Tyrone named it but that is only an assumption. Castlewood 2 acres for sale on a lake 18 Castlewood Rd Tyrone, Georgia 30290 County: Fayette We also see there is a Castle Wood House in County Kerry, Ireland. So this opens up a new can of worms for how Castlewood, VA was named, however I would bet on County Tyrone.

Thinking back, it seems like I hardly ever hear anyone on this forum mention ship passenger lists as documentation for ancestors dates and ties to Scotland/Ireland. The question arises when there's confusion over initial immigration to PA, VA, or MA, etc. Granted, once ashore you can move in any direction. But from say 1685 to 1746, there may not have been that many Kincaids of any spelling migrating to America and Canada. We're trying to separate out the Kincaids who may have immigrated first to VA and then some of them moving on to PA or the Carolinas (before KY and OH opened up on the other side). So, if a group of Kincaids immigrated first to northern Virginia, where did their boat land? What's the port of entry in those days from ships coming from Scotland or Ireland to VA? And then, of course, what do the passenger records from the ships show. I once stumbled into a book of passenger ship records in the library in Albany, NY. I thought I could easily skim to Kincaids and get a lead on my own. I was quite surpised to see so many Kincaids in different years and so many with the same first names. But this might not have been before say 1746. I use 1746 for the latest date because it would presumably cover the so-called four brothers who went to VA. Has anyone found passenger records for them? Larry Kincaid (Group C-2).

A good candidate would certainly be Dr. John Kincaid of Northampton County, Virginia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: "Kincaid Rootsweb List" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] References for Whyte's Dictionary... RE: John Kincaid,VA 1743 Guild Brother > In reviewing the John Kincaid of 1743 in Virginia I found this message > from Randy Kincaid: > > From: Randy Kincaid < rkincaid@sprynet.com> > Subject: [KINCAID] John, Esq. of Virginia > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:49:33 -0700 (MST) > Thought I'd send the full line regarding this individual: > > Kincaid, John, Esq. Of Virginia, B. and G., gratis, by act of C. 4 May > 1743 > > or > > Kincaid, John, Esquire, of Virginia, (named) Burgess and Guild-brother, > gratis, by act of (Edinburgh Town) Council 4 May 1743. > > Here's one description what "Esquire" meant in those days: > > "Esquire" following a name meant someone much respected, one step away > from a knight. > > So we have a John Kincaid in Virginia as early as 1743 who was considered > well-respected and had enough stature and connections to be named Burgess > and Guild-brother "gratis" (as a honor or in gratitude) by the Edinburgh > Council. I would look for a John in Virginia who had significant property > holdings or was known to be a major merchant of the time. > > Randy Kincaid > > Based on Michael and Randy's posts I believe the Edinburgh mentioned has > to be Edinburgh, Scotland however I wonder why a town in Scotland would > confer the title of Burgess and Guild-Brother on someone no longer in > Scotland. It could be that he applied for the honor before leaving > Scotland. It is also possible he applied for the honor because of his > success in Virginia. We are hoping someone on the Kincaid List has > additional information. > > Thanks to all! > > Don W. Kincaid > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Clegg > To: donwkincaid@cox.net > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:31 AM > Subject: References for Whyte's Dictionary... > > > K.F.R. Kincaid Family Researches held by Scottish Genealogical Society > N.R. Naturalization Records, District of Columbia, 1820-1848 > S.H. Service of Heirs, Decennial Indexes to, v. 1-4 (1700-1859) > Edinburgh 1863-1891 > R.P.C. Register of the Privy Council of Scotland, various editors > B.G.E. Roll of Burgesses and Guild brethren of Edinburgh, 1406-19700 and > 1701-1760 Edinburgh 1929 and 1933, ed. by Charles B. Boog Watson, Scottish > Record Society > > Except for the DC naturalization records these are probably all Scottish > sources, so Edinburgh refers to Scotland, not a US location. > > I'm happy to share with the group whatever I can, but am not as computer > savvy as to be able to whip something up on a face-book account or > my-space account etc. I have never used these and don't have the time > currently to learn how, or am I even sure that's the best way to go for > the group. What do you think? There was talk of someone in the group > moderating a face-book account. Did that go anywhere? > > Michael Clegg

Is it possible that someone who wanted to escape the British Isles might have assumed a name that was not theirs? And then upon landing s/he would again take their real name? This could be another confounding possibility. Ruth In a message dated 2/12/2009 9:34:30 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, donwkincaid@cox.net writes: Thanks Norman! We checked the indexes for The Genealogical Society of New Jersey and found no Kincaid's of any spelling. This included their Emigrant Register which list those who left NJ for other places. We are sending them a research request for other of their collections that were not searchable online. We also reviewed the Kincaid List archives for all posts regarding this John and find nothing concrete other than what you state that he arrived and disembarked in NJ. Don W. Kincaid ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Kincaide To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of the Henry and Francis ship,Leith to NJ 1685 Hi, Don, In all of my travels to Pennsylvania, to Chester, York, Lancaster, Cumberland or Philadelphia, I never come across anything indicating that John Kincaid who boarded the Henry & Francis, ever went to Pennsylvania. I have never seen any connection to the Chester County, PA Kincaids. I have never found any evidence other than he survived the voyage and was on the list of survivors who debarked at Perth Amboy, NJ. The supposed lineage went from Thomas Kincaid (DNA Group C) who married Mary Mackey to the Kincaids (DNA Group A, set 1b) of Chester County, PA then to John Kincaid of the Henry & Francis. There is no evidence to indicate this was a possible valid lineage. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Don W. Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: Kincaid Rootsweb List <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:37:26 PM Subject: [KINCAID] John Kincaid of the Henry and Francis ship, Leith to NJ 1685 This John Kincaid was transported against his wishes for not signing an oath of allegiance to the King of Scotland in 1685 on board the Henry and Francis ship which unloaded the surviving passengers at Perth Amboy, East New Jersey. There was a vigorous discussion about this John in March, 2004 on the Kincaid List consisting of 25 posts I just now reviewed. I found no one could prove with documentation where this John went to from NJ although there were several possibilities proposed. Has anyone discovered any documentation on John of the Henry & Francis since 2004? Thanks, Don W. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.g enealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In reviewing the John Kincaid of 1743 in Virginia I found this message from Randy Kincaid: From: Randy Kincaid < rkincaid@sprynet.com> Subject: [KINCAID] John, Esq. of Virginia Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:49:33 -0700 (MST) Thought I'd send the full line regarding this individual: Kincaid, John, Esq. Of Virginia, B. and G., gratis, by act of C. 4 May 1743 or Kincaid, John, Esquire, of Virginia, (named) Burgess and Guild-brother, gratis, by act of (Edinburgh Town) Council 4 May 1743. Here's one description what "Esquire" meant in those days: "Esquire" following a name meant someone much respected, one step away from a knight. So we have a John Kincaid in Virginia as early as 1743 who was considered well-respected and had enough stature and connections to be named Burgess and Guild-brother "gratis" (as a honor or in gratitude) by the Edinburgh Council. I would look for a John in Virginia who had significant property holdings or was known to be a major merchant of the time. Randy Kincaid Based on Michael and Randy's posts I believe the Edinburgh mentioned has to be Edinburgh, Scotland however I wonder why a town in Scotland would confer the title of Burgess and Guild-Brother on someone no longer in Scotland. It could be that he applied for the honor before leaving Scotland. It is also possible he applied for the honor because of his success in Virginia. We are hoping someone on the Kincaid List has additional information. Thanks to all! Don W. Kincaid ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Clegg To: donwkincaid@cox.net Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: References for Whyte's Dictionary... K.F.R. Kincaid Family Researches held by Scottish Genealogical Society N.R. Naturalization Records, District of Columbia, 1820-1848 S.H. Service of Heirs, Decennial Indexes to, v. 1-4 (1700-1859) Edinburgh 1863-1891 R.P.C. Register of the Privy Council of Scotland, various editors B.G.E. Roll of Burgesses and Guild brethren of Edinburgh, 1406-19700 and 1701-1760 Edinburgh 1929 and 1933, ed. by Charles B. Boog Watson, Scottish Record Society Except for the DC naturalization records these are probably all Scottish sources, so Edinburgh refers to Scotland, not a US location. I'm happy to share with the group whatever I can, but am not as computer savvy as to be able to whip something up on a face-book account or my-space account etc. I have never used these and don't have the time currently to learn how, or am I even sure that's the best way to go for the group. What do you think? There was talk of someone in the group moderating a face-book account. Did that go anywhere? Michael Clegg