Michael, Thanks for the additional info on the source abbreviations! Sorry I guessed wrong on which mclegg sent the info. We appreciate all the help we get. You showed the sources and I should have recognized the K.F. R. source from past research. It is really good to have so many good researchers on the Kincaid List who help each other! Secondary sources can be used for further research. Don W. Kincaid 1427 Kincaid DNA Project ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Clegg To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid, brother of Laird of Kincaid,District of Columbia Peter has already identified K.F.R. S.H. refers to Services of Heirs, Decennial Indexes to, vols. 1-4 (1700-1859) Edinburgh 1863-91 N.R. refers to Naturalization Records There are two mcleggs on the list, one is Mary Lou at [email protected] and the other is Michael at [email protected] or [email protected] It is Michael who needs to watch his secondary source citation, not Mary Lou. Michael Clegg >>> "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> 12/9/2010 12:39 PM >>> Thanks Mary Lou for the detail info from Boyer's Ship Passenger Lists. I assume the Declaration of Intention was his declaring he planned to become a citizen. If not, what would it be for? I see nothing to indicate this James Kincaid is not the James, son of Kincaid of Kincaid however I wonder about the Nativity, Glasgow part. Would this mean he was born in Glasgow or just that is where he lived prior to coming to VA? Thanks also for the other 2 James Kincaid citations. I wonder how the author determined that James from Edinburgh was the son of Alexander Kincaid, Pharmacist.........would it be from (K.F.R.,9) and if so what is K.F.R., 9? Also what is (S.H.) referring to on the James from Stirlingshire? Thanks to all! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Clegg To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid, brother of Laird of Kincaid,District of Columbia We have all 4 works in our Genealogy Center collection at the Allen County Public Library in Fort Wayne, IN. I have checked all 4 and will cite the one with the fullest information all 4 offering the same information re: James Kincaid. >From Boyer's Ship Passenger Lists... v. 3 p. 103 "Kincaid, James; nativity, Glasgow, Scotland; arrived at Alexandria in the ship William and John, Capt. Woodhouse, in 1807; Declaration of Intention, 30 Apr. 1816; Proof of Residence, 29 Jan. 1820, witnesses, John Laird, John Murdock; naturalization granted 31 Jan. 1820." The Whyte volume had these 2 additional entries (in addition to the above) for James Kincaid " Kincaid, James. From Edinburgh. Son of Alexander K., pharmacist. Settled Augusta County, Virginia, ca 1746. Jacobite. (K.F.R., 9)" "Kincaid, James. From Stirlingshire. Grandson of John K. of Gartcows. To U.S. before 1835. Heir to his aunt, Elizabeth K. (S.H.)" >>> "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> 12/8/2010 1:28 PM >>> In September 2008, there were several posts to the Kincaid List about James Kincaid, 3rd son of John Kincaid of Kincaid. We are in the process of looking for additional information on James and his 2 sons. In addition to the 1820 census information Peter & Barbara provided, we have found that a James Kincaid went through the Naturalization process in District of Columbia, Jan 31, 1820 according to the NARA index. We suspect this is the James, son of John. We also found a James Kincaid on the Passenger & Immigration Lists Index for the year 1807. We found this 1807 immigration info on 4 different indexes and believe this is the James, son of John Kincaid of Kincaid but to verify this I am hoping some Kincaid List member will have one of the books that have the indexes to see if there is any additional info. One is entitled Directory of Scottish Settlers in North America 1625-1825 by David Dobson. Another book is Ship Passenger Lists, the South (1538-1825) by Carl Boyer. Another is New World Immigrants: A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists and Associated Data from Periodical Literature by Michael Tepper. The last one is Donald Whytes A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to the USA, Vol. 1 We also found the same death date for James Kincaid, son of John as June 10, 1827 and as a resident of Georgetown. We also found another James Kincaid for the year 1798 in Kenneth Scott's Resident Aliens Enabled to Hold Land in New York State, 1790-1825 which might be of interest to someone. Another interesting tidbit was found about Charles E. Kincaid, one time Sec. to the Governor of KY and later news reporter who shot and killed a congressman but was never charged since it was determined to be self defense. On Sept. 3rd, 1884 Charles was granted a passport. Charles is from my line and apparently was quite a character according to the stories on him. I suspect there may be some Congressmen today who might want to kill the news reporters who report on their shady dealings! We have several new prospects for the dna tests and one new participant. Don To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Peter, I was hoping it might be an original research source but was afraid it was not because of what it stated and thus asked about it. I assume you see no problems with the info on James Kincaid of District of Columbia. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid, brother of Laird of Kincaid,District of Columbia > " Kincaid, James. From Edinburgh. Son of Alexander K., pharmacist. Settled > Augusta County, Virginia, ca 1746. Jacobite. (K.F.R., 9)" Watch your sources quoting other secondary sources. K.F.R. is is "Kincaid Family Researches at Random in Scotland, Ireland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Kentucky and Illinois" by James Kimble Young. This is simply an account of some family belief with no actual source or documentation cited or known. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Kincaid Family Researches at Random in Scotland, Ireland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Kentucky and Illinois" by James Kimble Young, Jr. is a typescript published by Young in Springfield, Illinois. Young is an Archibald descendant of the A&A line. I have not seen this particular typescript but in others sometimes there is good citation of sources, sometimes none. It is my understanding that the direct descendant line of Archibald in Sangamon/Menard Cos., Illinois, considered Young's work to be so full of errors that they eventually stopped cooperating with him and closed their family records to him. For example, it is Young who in the 1940s/50s jumped to the conclusion that the Thomas Kincaid who married Abigail Irons was son of Archibald, cementing the thought into Thomas descendants in Kentucky. Current evidence favors Andrew of A&A as father of this Thomas. -----Original Message----- >From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> >Sent: Dec 9, 2010 10:45 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid, brother of Laird of Kincaid, District of Columbia > >> " Kincaid, James. From Edinburgh. Son of Alexander K., pharmacist. Settled >> Augusta County, Virginia, ca 1746. Jacobite. (K.F.R., 9)" > >Watch your sources quoting other secondary sources. K.F.R. is is >"Kincaid Family Researches at Random in Scotland, Ireland, >Pennsylvania, Virginia, Kentucky and Illinois" by James Kimble >Young. This is simply an account of some family belief with no >actual source or documentation cited or known. > >Peter > >To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >To join the DNA project, go to: >www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mary Lou for the detail info from Boyer's Ship Passenger Lists. I assume the Declaration of Intention was his declaring he planned to become a citizen. If not, what would it be for? I see nothing to indicate this James Kincaid is not the James, son of Kincaid of Kincaid however I wonder about the Nativity, Glasgow part. Would this mean he was born in Glasgow or just that is where he lived prior to coming to VA? Thanks also for the other 2 James Kincaid citations. I wonder how the author determined that James from Edinburgh was the son of Alexander Kincaid, Pharmacist.........would it be from (K.F.R.,9) and if so what is K.F.R., 9? Also what is (S.H.) referring to on the James from Stirlingshire? Thanks to all! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Clegg To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid, brother of Laird of Kincaid,District of Columbia We have all 4 works in our Genealogy Center collection at the Allen County Public Library in Fort Wayne, IN. I have checked all 4 and will cite the one with the fullest information all 4 offering the same information re: James Kincaid. >From Boyer's Ship Passenger Lists... v. 3 p. 103 "Kincaid, James; nativity, Glasgow, Scotland; arrived at Alexandria in the ship William and John, Capt. Woodhouse, in 1807; Declaration of Intention, 30 Apr. 1816; Proof of Residence, 29 Jan. 1820, witnesses, John Laird, John Murdock; naturalization granted 31 Jan. 1820." The Whyte volume had these 2 additional entries (in addition to the above) for James Kincaid " Kincaid, James. From Edinburgh. Son of Alexander K., pharmacist. Settled Augusta County, Virginia, ca 1746. Jacobite. (K.F.R., 9)" "Kincaid, James. From Stirlingshire. Grandson of John K. of Gartcows. To U.S. before 1835. Heir to his aunt, Elizabeth K. (S.H.)" >>> "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> 12/8/2010 1:28 PM >>> In September 2008, there were several posts to the Kincaid List about James Kincaid, 3rd son of John Kincaid of Kincaid. We are in the process of looking for additional information on James and his 2 sons. In addition to the 1820 census information Peter & Barbara provided, we have found that a James Kincaid went through the Naturalization process in District of Columbia, Jan 31, 1820 according to the NARA index. We suspect this is the James, son of John. We also found a James Kincaid on the Passenger & Immigration Lists Index for the year 1807. We found this 1807 immigration info on 4 different indexes and believe this is the James, son of John Kincaid of Kincaid but to verify this I am hoping some Kincaid List member will have one of the books that have the indexes to see if there is any additional info. One is entitled Directory of Scottish Settlers in North America 1625-1825 by David Dobson. Another book is Ship Passenger Lists, the South (1538-1825) by Carl Boyer. Another is New World Immigrants: A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists and Associated Data from Periodical Literature by Michael Tepper. The last one is Donald Whytes A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to the USA, Vol. 1 We also found the same death date for James Kincaid, son of John as June 10, 1827 and as a resident of Georgetown. We also found another James Kincaid for the year 1798 in Kenneth Scott's Resident Aliens Enabled to Hold Land in New York State, 1790-1825 which might be of interest to someone. Another interesting tidbit was found about Charles E. Kincaid, one time Sec. to the Governor of KY and later news reporter who shot and killed a congressman but was never charged since it was determined to be self defense. On Sept. 3rd, 1884 Charles was granted a passport. Charles is from my line and apparently was quite a character according to the stories on him. I suspect there may be some Congressmen today who might want to kill the news reporters who report on their shady dealings! We have several new prospects for the dna tests and one new participant. Don To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We have all 4 works in our Genealogy Center collection at the Allen County Public Library in Fort Wayne, IN. I have checked all 4 and will cite the one with the fullest information all 4 offering the same information re: James Kincaid. >From Boyer's Ship Passenger Lists... v. 3 p. 103 "Kincaid, James; nativity, Glasgow, Scotland; arrived at Alexandria in the ship William and John, Capt. Woodhouse, in 1807; Declaration of Intention, 30 Apr. 1816; Proof of Residence, 29 Jan. 1820, witnesses, John Laird, John Murdock; naturalization granted 31 Jan. 1820." The Whyte volume had these 2 additional entries (in addition to the above) for James Kincaid " Kincaid, James. From Edinburgh. Son of Alexander K., pharmacist. Settled Augusta County, Virginia, ca 1746. Jacobite. (K.F.R., 9)" "Kincaid, James. From Stirlingshire. Grandson of John K. of Gartcows. To U.S. before 1835. Heir to his aunt, Elizabeth K. (S.H.)" >>> "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> 12/8/2010 1:28 PM >>> In September 2008, there were several posts to the Kincaid List about James Kincaid, 3rd son of John Kincaid of Kincaid. We are in the process of looking for additional information on James and his 2 sons. In addition to the 1820 census information Peter & Barbara provided, we have found that a James Kincaid went through the Naturalization process in District of Columbia, Jan 31, 1820 according to the NARA index. We suspect this is the James, son of John. We also found a James Kincaid on the Passenger & Immigration Lists Index for the year 1807. We found this 1807 immigration info on 4 different indexes and believe this is the James, son of John Kincaid of Kincaid but to verify this I am hoping some Kincaid List member will have one of the books that have the indexes to see if there is any additional info. One is entitled Directory of Scottish Settlers in North America 1625-1825 by David Dobson. Another book is Ship Passenger Lists, the South (1538-1825) by Carl Boyer. Another is New World Immigrants: A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists and Associated Data from Periodical Literature by Michael Tepper. The last one is Donald Whytes A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to the USA, Vol. 1 We also found the same death date for James Kincaid, son of John as June 10, 1827 and as a resident of Georgetown. We also found another James Kincaid for the year 1798 in Kenneth Scott's Resident Aliens Enabled to Hold Land in New York State, 1790-1825 which might be of interest to someone. Another interesting tidbit was found about Charles E. Kincaid, one time Sec. to the Governor of KY and later news reporter who shot and killed a congressman but was never charged since it was determined to be self defense. On Sept. 3rd, 1884 Charles was granted a passport. Charles is from my line and apparently was quite a character according to the stories on him. I suspect there may be some Congressmen today who might want to kill the news reporters who report on their shady dealings! We have several new prospects for the dna tests and one new participant. Don To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with what Don has written. The verbal history in this line is an important part in the vetting. Not all Kincaid lines have the wealth of paper documentation that other lines have. If more documentation becomes extant then it could be added to an amended vetting post later. Sincerely Norman Kincaide --- On Wed, 12/8/10, Don W Kincaid <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Don W Kincaid <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 9:35 PM > We fully support vetting Amon Kincaid > # 1255 to Sherod Kincaid. We would likely support vetting > all the way to David Kinkead if all the info we have seen > over the years is included. If Wood's is right in his book > History of Albemarle County, and David is a brother of > Joseph and James Kinkead, then the dna results also support > Amon back to David. For now it will be good to have vetting > to Sherod. > > Don W. Kincaid > # 1427 > > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Debra Griggs >   To: [email protected] > >   Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:29 PM >   Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 > to Sherod Kincaid > > > >   My great grandfather James B Kincaid is buried in > Oakland Cemetery,Atkins Arkansas.It was personal knowledge > of my father Amon L Kincaid SR.that his grandfather died in > 1918.My father lived in Atkins,Arkansas when his grandfather > died from the flu epidemic. >     >   > From: [email protected] >   > To: [email protected] >   > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:38:58 -0400 >   > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting > #1255 to Sherod Kincaid >   > >   > Very little discussion because there was > previously lots of >   > discussion and concerns expressed about the > line and/or the >   > vetting process. As far as this latest post, I > think the poster >   > should add their source for the date and place > given for >   > James' death in 1918. >   > >   > >   > >   > ----- Original Message ----- >   > From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> >   > To: <[email protected]> >   > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 1:49 PM >   > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting > #1255 to Sherod Kincaid >   > >   > >   > > >   > > >   > > >   > > MaryLou or anyone else, Does anyone have a > problem with me marking Amon >   > > vetted to Sherod? >   > > There has been little discussion on this > other than MaryLou's questions on >   > > the 1870 and 1880 census. The post was > originally made almost a month ago. >   > > I >   > > can only assume that the lineage as given > does not have a problem and will >   > > mark this line vetted to Sherod next week > unless someone brings up a >   > > reason >   > > why this lineage should not be vetted. >   > > >   > > Sue Liedtke >   > > >   > > >   > >> Vetting; Amon L Kincaid to Sherod > Kincaid and Jane Hughes. >   > >> >   > >> Amon L Kincaid >   > >> DNA #1255 A-1b >   > >> Researcher: Debra Griggs (sister) >   > >> >   > >> Amon Luther Kincaid JR. b. 5 July 1948 > Bakersfield, Kern Co, California >   > >> m. 28 June 1971 to Brenda Kay Adams > Reno, Washoe Co, Nevada. >   > >> >   > >> >   > >> Son of Amon Luther Kincaid SR. and > Dorothy Mae Joslin. >   > >> >   > >> Proven by; >   > >> Ca. Birth Certificate for Amon Luther > Kincaid JR., date of birth, 5 July >   > >> 1948, county of Kern, Ca. >   > >> Naming his parents as Amon Luther > Kincaid SR. age 37 birthplace Arkansas >   > >> and Dorothy Mae Joslin age 25 > birthplace Arkansas. >   > >> >   > >> >   > >> Personal Knowledge; I have known Amon > L Jr. all my life as son of my >   > >> father Amon L Sr. >   > >> _____________________________________ >   > >> Amon Luther Kincaid SR. b. 14 Oct 1910 > Blackwell, Conway Co, Arkansas d. >   > >> 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, > California m. 20 February 1943 Little >   > >> Rock, Pulaski Co, Arkansas to Dorothy > Mae Joslin. >   > >> >   > >> Son of George William Kincaid and > Margaret Florence Roper. >   > >> >   > >> Proven by; >   > >> Ca. Death Certificate of Amon Luther > Kincaid SR b.Oct 14 1910 Arkansas d. >   > >> 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, > California.Wife's name listed as Dorothy >   > >> Joslin.His parents are listed as > George W Kincaid and Margaret F Roper. >   > >> >   > >> >   > >> 1920 Census, Lee Township, Pope Co. > Arkansas >   > >> Kincaid George W 38yrs Arkansas >   > >> Florence wife 42yrs Arkansas >   > >> Lawson son 14yrs Arkansas >   > >> Opal daughter 12yrs Arkansas >   > >> Luther son 9yrs Arkansas >   > >> Kelly son 7yrs Arkansas >   > >> Nancy daughter 5yrs Arkansas >   > >> Mollie daughter 3yrs Arkansas >   > >> Dollie daughter 1 10/12yrs Arkansas >   > >> Cobb Emmett stepson 20yrs Arkansas >   > >> >   > >> >   > >> Personal Knowledge; I knew my aunts > Nancy, Mollie and Dollie and my >   > >> uncles >   > >> Kelly and Emmett as my fathers sisters > and brothers and children of >   > >> George >   > >> W Kincaid. >   > >> > _______________________________________- >   > >> George William Kincaid b. 11 February > 1882 Dardanelle, Yell Co. Arkansas >   > >> d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los > Angeles Co. California. m 12 Sept 1902 >   > >> Pontoon, Arkansas to Margaret F. > Roper. >   > >> >   > >> Son of James Brookins Kincaid and > Frankie Jane Coats >   > >> >   > >> Proven by; >   > >> Ca. Death Certificate of George > "Billy" William Kincaid b.11 Feb 1882 >   > >> Arkansas d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, > Los Angeles Co. California. His >   > >> parents are listed as James B Kincaid > and Frankie Jane Coats. >   > >> >   > >> Family History: It was told by my > father that his father George W Kincaid >   > >> aquired his nickname Billie from his > uncle William J Kincaid, he gave him >   > >> the nickname "Billie" because he would > play with the "Billie Goats" on >   > >> the >   > >> farm. William J Kincaid appears with > Sherod on the 1850 & 1860 census. >   > >> >   > >> WWII Draft Reg. Card lists Billie > Kincaid, Place of Res: 713 Abeles >   > >> Little >   > >> Rock, Pulaski Co. Arkansas, Mailing > address: Water's Grocery 820 Abeles >   > >> Little Rock, Arkansas. Age: 60 Place > of Birth: Perry Co. Arkansas. Date >   > >> of >   > >> birth: Feb 11 1882. Name of person who > will always know your address. >   > >> K.O. >   > >> Kincaid 820 Abeles Little Rock, > Arkansas. Employers name and address: >   > >> unemployed - works at home. >   > >> >   > >> Although my grandfathers WWII Draft > Reg.Card lists him born in Perry Co. >   > >> Arkansas, my brother Amon L Kincaid > has stated to me that our grandfather >   > >> George William Kincaid told him he was > born in Dardanelle, Arkansas which >   > >> is in Yell County. >   > >> >   > >> WWI Draft Reg. Card lists George > William Kincaid address: Rt 3 Atkins, >   > >> Pope Co. Arkansas. Age: 36. Date of > birth: Feb 11 1882. Race: White. >   > >> Occupation: farmer, self employed. > Place of employment: Atkins, Arkansas. >   > >> Nearest Relative: Mrs Florence Kincaid > Rt 3 Atkins, Arkansas. Date of >   > >> Registration: Sept 12 1918 >   > >> >   > >> 1910 Census Wilson Township,Yell > Co.Arkansas >   > >> 43 43 Kincaid George W Head 28yrs > Arkansas >   > >> Florence M wife 31yrs Arkansas >   > >> Lawson W son 5yrs Arkansas >   > >> Opal E dau 3yrs Arkansas >   > >> James A son 1 4/12yrs Arkansas >   > >> Cobb O Emmett stepson 10yrs Arkansas >   > >> Roper George W father in law 70yrs > Arkansas >   > >> Kelley Homer hired man 18yrs Missouri >   > >> >   > >> 44 44 Kincaid James B Head 50 > Arkansas >   > >> Frankie J wife 51 years Arkansas >   > >> Ethel dau 15 years Arkansas >   > >> James A 11 years Arkansas >   > >> 45 Ham, Samuel Kelly son in law 26yrs > Missouri >   > >> Samuel James grandson 2yrs Arkansas >   > >> 46 Franks, David son in law 20 yrs > Oklahoma >   > >> Ora daughter 18yrs Arkansas >   > >> Frankie J grand daughter 11/12 > Arkansas >   > >> [note: This is one household. Maudy > Kincaid Ham died in March, a month >   > >> before this census.] >   > >> >   > >> 1900 Census Wilson Township, Yell Co. > Arkansas >   > >> Kincaid John B (sic James B) 45 yrs > Arkansas >   > >> Frankie J wife 42yrs Arkansas >   > >> George W son 18yrs Arkansas >   > >> Maudie daughter 15yrs Arkansas >   > >> Eliza daughter 13yrs Arkansas >   > >> Charles O son 11yrs Arkansas >   > >> Ora E daughter 8yrs Arkansas >   > >> Mary E daughter 4yrs Arkansas >   > >> James A son 1yrs Arkansas >   > >> >   > >> Note; >   > >> James Andrew Kincaid b. 11 November > 1898 was the youngest son of James B >   > >> Kincaid and Frankie J Coats, his WWI > Draft Reg. Card lists him as: James >   > >> Andrew Kincaid age 21. Address: > Palarm, Faulkner Co. Ark. Date of birth: >   > >> Nov 12 1897(?). Where born: Yell Co, > Arkansas. Fathers birthplace: Newton >   > >> Co. Arkansas. Name of employer. R E > Dent. Place of employment: Palarm, >   > >> Arkansas.Name of nearest relative: > James Kincaid Rt 4 Box 99 Atkins, >   > >> Arkansas. Date of Registration August > 24 1918. James Andrew Kincaid d. 24 >   > >> Dec 1929 Kerr Co, Texas, his death > certificate lists his parents as James >   > >> B Kincaid and Frankie J Colts (sic, > Coats). >   > >> _____________________ >   > >> James Brookins Kincaid b. Oct 1858 > Newton Co, Arkansas d. 8 Sept 1918 >   > >> Atkins, Pope Co, Arkansas m.abt 1881 > Yell Co. Arkansas to Frankie Jane >   > >> Coats. >   > >> >   > >> Son of Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes >   > >> >   > >> I have not found a 1880 census for > James B Kincaid. >   > >> >   > >> Proven By >   > >> Family History; >   > >> It was told to me by my father Amon L > Kincaid Sr. that his grandfather >   > >> James B Kincaid's parents were > murdered when he was just a young child >   > >> and >   > >> that James had lived in the Boston > Mountains as a young boy. James B >   > >> Kincaid told his son George William > Kincaid of the tragedy of his parents >   > >> and it was passed down from George > William Kincaid to my father Amon L >   > >> Kincaid Sr. My father told me that he > was told that his grandfather had >   > >> hid in the bushes and watched while > his parents were murdered. My father >   > >> said that it was believed to have > happened during or after the Civil War. >   > >> I was also told that the eldest son or > sons had went off to the war. It >   > >> was written in a family Bible of my > dad's cousin (Samuel James Hamm, s/o >   > >> Maudy Kincaid sister of George W > Kincaid) and it states as told to him by >   > >> his uncles and aunts that James B > Kincaid was then taken to Indian >   > >> Territory by uncle Hughes (brother of > Tom Hughes) and McGee. My uncle >   > >> Kelly O Kincaid told the family on a > visit to him in J! >   > >> uly 1987 that their grandfather James > B Kincaid's mother's last name was >   > >> Hughes. >   > >> [note: see 1910 census above for James > B Kincaid with Samuel James Ham in >   > >> his household] >   > >> >   > >> >   > >> Conditions in Arkansas from the > Encyclopedia of Arkansas History & >   > >> Culture >   > >> (on line) http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net >   > >> >   > >> Flu Epidemic 1918;James B Kincaid died > during the flu epidemic.Arkansas >   > >> was hard hit with over 7,000 recorded > deaths.It is believed that >   > >> additional deaths in the rural areas > went unrecorded.Doctors and funeral >   > >> parlors were swamped so some rural > victims were without any official >   > >> notification.In Nov 1918 the state was > placed under quarantine for >   > >> several >   > >> months.James B was listed as a farmer > in the 1910 census. His address as >   > >> given by his son on August 24 1918 was > Rte 4 Box 99 Atkins,Arkansas >   > >> (Pope,Co.) efforts to find a death > certificate or funeral record for >   > >> James >   > >> B Kincaid have not been fruitful. >   > >> >   > >> Civil War: Arkansas succeeded from the > Union in 1861. By 1862 "Dozens of >   > >> county & local governments ceased > to function as judges, sheriffs, clerks >   > >> and office holders fled or failed to > carry out their duties."The towns in >   > >> the northern portion were under Union > control by 1863 but "In large areas >   > >> food and other necessities were in > short supply...where neither army held >   > >> sway the last remnants of civil > government and the rule of law disappears >   > >> and guerilla fighters roamed the > countryside.The last Confederate General >   > >> commissioned guerilla forces to roam > the country with orders to harass >   > >> Union troops and cut the supply lines. > Some groups did just that, others >   > >> used the commission to harass, kill > and rob both Union and Confederate >   > >> sympathizers. These groups were known > as bushwhackers.They were >   > >> particulary active in the NW corner > where the limestone caves made good >   > >> hiding places. Union troops passed > through Newton Co. in March of 1863 >   > >> and >   > >> burned the courthouse (the courthouse > was bur! >   > >> ned again in 1938) By Sept 10 1863 > they had captured Little Rock.The >   > >> Arkansas Democrat Gazette (the paper > of record for Arkansas) ceased >   > >> publication until May 1865.The only > paper published continuously during >   > >> the Civil War was the Washington > Telegraph, a confederate paper in the SW >   > >> corner of Arkansas.The internet has > other anecdotal stories passed down >   > >> through families about ancestors > killed by bushwhackers in Newton County. >   > >> >   > >> All counties given are close together > in the NW corner of Arkansas. >   > >> >   > >> Sherod and Jane Kincaid do not appear > on the 1870 Federal Census. Sherod >   > >> does not appear in the 1870 mortality > schedule. >   > >> >   > >> Below is a summary of where the > children listed in the 1860 census of >   > >> Sherod were in the 1870 census.The > Bible record of my dad's cousin >   > >> (Samuel >   > >> James Hamm) states that James B > Kincaid was taken to Indian Territory to >   > >> live with relatives. I did not find > Cinthia Ann until the 1880 census, >   > >> married and living in Ward Township, > Yell Co. Arkansas. I presume that >   > >> Cinthia was taken to the Indian > Territory as well. I was not able to >   > >> locate James B Kincaid on the 1880 > census. >   > >> >   > >> Joseph P Kincaid enlisted in the Union > Forces of (Co.D 2nd Arkansas >   > >> Calvary) in Jasper, Newton Co.Arkansas > on Oct 15 1863 age 18 b. Johnson >   > >> Co. Arkansas >   > >> >   > >> William J Kincaid age 22 b. Arkansas > in 1870 Census is enumerated in >   > >> Dardanelle Township, Yell Co. Arkansas > in the household of Charles B >   > >> Mitchell. >   > >> >   > >> George A Kincaid age 20 b. Ark in 1870 > Census is enumerated in Clark >   > >> Township, Pope Co. Arkansas in the > household of Samuel Rye. >   > >> >   > >> Cinthia Ann Kincaid b. May 2 1855 > Arkansas d.May 14 1916 Ola,Yell Co. >   > >> Arkansas m. abt 1878 Yell/Perry Co. > Arkansas to James K McGhee. My Aunt >   > >> Nancy (Amon L Kincaid's sister) had a > large trunk of old family photos >   > >> that was left to her by her father > George W Kincaid (son of James B) >   > >> among >   > >> the photos was a photo of a baby and > the writing on the back of the photo >   > >> stated "Cinthia Ann, Papa's Sister." >   > >> >   > >> John H Kincaid age 13 b.Arkansas in > 1870 is enumerated in Newton,Taney >   > >> Co. >   > >> Missouri in the household of Houston > Hughes. >   > >> >   > >> There are family photos of William J > Kincaid and George A Kincaid....and >   > >> also of my great grandfather James B > Kincaid. >   > >> >   > >> 1860 Census Union Township, Newton > Co.Arkansas >   > >> Kingcade Sherod 39yrs Tenn >   > >> Jane 26 yrs Alabama >   > >> Williams Wiley 22yrs Farmhand Tenn >   > >> Joseph P 14yrs Arkansas >   > >> William J 13yrs Arkansas >   > >> George A 12yrs Arkansas >   > >> Cinthia A 6yrs Arkansas >   > >> John H 3 yrs Arkansas >   > >> James B 2 yrs Arkansas >   > >> >   > >> Land Record; No.8531 Land Office at > Fayetteville, Dec 30 1856. John >   > >> Hughes >   > >> of Newton Co, State of Arkansas, on > this day purchased of the register of >   > >> this office, the lot or South West > Quarter of the North East Quarter of >   > >> Section No.Twenty Four in Township > No.Thirteen North of Range No.Twenty >   > >> Two West containing forty acres at the > rate of $1.00 per acre. [This land >   > >> is just below the town of Limestone in > the Boston Mts. section of the >   > >> Ozark National Forest. It is a few > miles north of the border with Johnson >   > >> Co.] >   > >> >   > >> Sherod A Kincaid farmed and payed > taxes on the above property. >   > >> >   > >> Property Tax Records; From the > Arkansas History Commission >   > >> Sherod A Kincaid paid property tax > from 1860-1861 in Newton Co.Arkansas >   > >> on >   > >> this property; >   > >> Township=13N SW 1/4 OF THE NE 1/4 >   > >> Section=24 Located near the town of >   > >> Range=22W Limestone,Arkansas >   > >> Sherod A Kincaid payed personal > property tax in Newton Co.Arkansas from >   > >> 1857-1859. He was not charged for the > acreage on these taxes. >   > >> >   > >> Newton County tax records start again > in 1871. >   > >> >   > >> John Hughes bought property in Johnson > Co. Arkansas in Township 11N >   > >> Section 10 Range 21W in March > 1860.This area is south of the above >   > >> property. >   > >> >   > >> 1860 Census Pilot Rock, Johnson Co. > Arkansas >   > >> Hughes John 32 yrs Alabama >   > >> Cynthia 26 yrs Missouri >   > >> John 10 yrs Arkansas >   > >> Margaret 6 yrs Arkansas >   > >> Houston 4 yrs Arkansas >   > >> Thomas 2 yrs Arkansas >   > >> >   > >> 1850 Census Perry Co.Arkansas >   > >> Hughes John 23 yrs Tenn [sic other > census years lists Alabama] >   > >> Cynthia E 15yrs Missouri >   > >> Houston 21 Tenn [sic: other census > years lists Alabama] >   > >> >   > >> Arkansas Marriage Records; Sherod > Kincaid and Jane Hughes m. 16 Jan 1853 >   > >> Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas, marriage > solomized by George Horner >   > >> minister >   > >> of the gospel of the Baptist Faith. > Can be found at >   > >> Familysearch.org/record search, > indexed as Sherwood King, but the actual >   > >> record says Sherwood King Cade and > Jane Huse. >   > >> >   > >> 1850 Census Boston Township, Franklin > Co. Arkansas >   > >> Kincade Sherod 29yrs Tenn >   > >> Eliza 25yrs Alabama >   > >> Joseph P 4yrs Arkansas >   > >> William J 3yrs Arkansas >   > >> George A 3/12 Arkansas >   > >> Jane Hughs 17yrs Alabama >   > >> >   > >> Summary: >   > >> The 1850 & 1860 censuses do not > list relationship to head of household >   > >> and >   > >> there was turbulence during the time > Sherod died so any recording of his >   > >> death or probate procedings is > unlikely, especially since the courthouse >   > >> where such data would be stored burned > down. The likelihood of obtaining >   > >> direct proof that James A was the son > of Sherod and Jane Hughs is very >   > >> low >   > >> because the required records were > never made or have not survived. By >   > >> combining family lore passed down in a > position to have known the >   > >> principles, labeled family > photographs, DNA and what records do still >   > >> exist, it is believed that enough > evidence has been gathered to show that >   > >> James B., father of George W. was born > in Newton Co. AR, to a man named >   > >> Kincaid with a wife whose maiden name > has been passed down as Hughs. That >   > >> James B. had a sister named Cinthia > Ann and a close relationship to other >   > >> children listed in the 1860 census of > Sherod Kincaid. That Sherod lived >   > >> in >   > >> the Boston Mts. where James B is > purported to! >   > >> have lived as a child, married a woman > named Hughs and has 2 censuses >   > >> consistent with a nuclear family which > includes James B born circa 1858. >   > >> Sherod disappears from all records > during a time period consistent with >   > >> family lore. The children living in > his 1860 household appear either on >   > >> their own or in scattered households > which is consistent with the death >   > >> of >   > >> their parents between the 2 censuses. > While additional records would be >   > >> welcome, the consistency of lore and > those records found are believed >   > >> sufficient to prove relationship. >   > >> >   > >> > ____________________________________________ >   > >> Sherod Kincaid b. abt 1821Tennessee d. > bet 1862 - 1870 Newton Co, >   > >> Arkansas >   > >> m 1st Eliza m 2nd 16 Jan 1853 Ozark, > Franklin Co. Arkansas to Jane >   > >> Hughes. >   > >> >   > >> Son of unproven >   > >> [note: the following is provided as a > starting point for further research >   > >> and is not meant to indicate a > vettible relationship] >   > >> >   > >> Likely parents; Joseph Kincaid and > Elizabeth (unknown) >   > >> >   > >> What is known; >   > >> [note: Newton, Madison and Johnson > Counties Arkansas are contingent. >   > >> Franklin Co is contingent with Madison > and Johnson Cos. Pope and Yell >   > >> Counties are contingent south of > Johnson Co. The following censuses >   > >> establish the ages and birth places of > Elizabeth's children for >   > >> comparison >   > >> to Joseph's censuses which follow] >   > >> >   > >> 1850 Census Boston, Franklin Co, > Arkansas >   > >> Kincade Elizabeth 54yrs NC >   > >> Joseph L 20yrs Tennessee >   > >> Nancy A 16yrs Alabama >   > >> Elizabeth 15yrs Alabama >   > >> William G W 11yrs Alabama >   > >> [note: Sherod is in 1850 census above > living next door] >   > >> >   > >> Taylor Co,Texas August 24 1904 issue > of the Abilene Reporter, Death >   > >> notice for William George Washington > Kincaid, died at his home near >   > >> Buffalo Gap, Texas on August 22 > 1904.It states that he was a native of >   > >> Alabama and moved with his parents to > Arkansas when he was three years >   > >> old. He went to Texas in 1860 and from > there he enlisted in the >   > >> Confederate Army. After the war he > married Miss Annie Elizabeth Clark in >   > >> 1867. Mrs Kincaid, the widow, and ten > children survive. Eulogy published >   > >> in the May 1905 issue of "The > Confederate Veteran Magazine". Letters from >   > >> Margaret Street, granddaughter of > William through his daughter Lula Clark >   > >> Kincaid and Marshal Ray Street, say > William was born in Larkinsville, >   > >> Alabama. His tombstone has engraved on > it (born) March 6 1839. >   > >> >   > >> >   > >> >   > >> 1880 Census Coryell Co, Texas >   > >> Kincaide W. G. W. 42yrs Alabama Ky NC >   > >> A.E. 29yrs Tenn >   > >> W.L.D. 12yrs Texas >   > >> E.O. 10yrs Texas >   > >> J.L. 8yrs Texas >   > >> M.M. 6yrs Texas >   > >> A.E. 3yrs Texas >   > >> O.G. 1yrs Texas >   > >> McMillan S.C. 56yrs sister Tenn Ky NC >   > >> >   > >> 1850 Census Spadra, Johnson Co, > Arkansas >   > >> McMillan Edward A 38yrs North > Carolina >   > >> Sarah C 24yrs Alabama (sic, other > census list Tenn) >   > >> Amanda J 8yrs Tenn >   > >> Eliza A 2yrs Arkansas >   > >> (Johnson Co.is next to Franklin & > Newton Co.) >   > >> >   > >> Sarah C McMillan's daughter Eliza A > McMillan m.17 Sept 1872 Dover, Pope >   > >> Co, Arkansas to Alvin Dean Raulston. > Alvin's daughter Mary E Raulston m.8 >   > >> March 1871 Yell Co, Arkansas to > William J Kincaid son of Sherod Kincaid >   > >> and Eliza.. >   > >> >   > >> Eliza A McMillan's Family Bible Record > lists her mother Sarah C McMillan >   > >> b.1824 Alabama. >   > >> >   > >> Note; >   > >> Larkinsville is in Jackson Co, > Alabama.In 1830 there is a James >   > >> Kincaid,1m >   > >> 20-30,1m under 5,1f 20-30,1f 5-10. He > appears along with Joseph Kincaid >   > >> enumerated on the same page. >   > >> >   > >> Tax Record; There is a tax record for > Joseph Kincaid for 1842, Madison >   > >> Co, >   > >> Arkansas. >   > >> >   > >> 1840 Census Jackson Co, Alabama >   > >> Joseph Kincade >   > >> males:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 5-10, 1 > under 5 >   > >> females:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 10-15, 1 > 5-10, 1 under 5 >   > >> >   > >> [for comparison: >   > >> Joseph (deceased 1850), Sherod b > 1820-1 TN, Joseph b 1830 TN, William G W >   > >> b 1839 ALA >   > >> Elizabeth b 1796 NC, Sarah b 1824 TN > or ALA, (missing daughter), Nancy b >   > >> 1834 ALA, Elizabeth b 1835 ALA.] >   > >> >   > >> 1830 Census Jackson Co, Alabama >   > >> Joseph Kincaid >   > >> males: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 >   > >> female: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 >   > >> _______________________________ >   > >> Joseph Kincaid b 1794-1800 KY d.bet > 1843-1850 Arkansas m.abt 1820 >   > >> Elizabeth (unknown) >   > >> >   > >> Son of: unproven >   > >> Likely parents: Hobson Kincaid and > Sarah McClure >   > >> >   > >> What is known: >   > >> >   > >> 1820 Census Franklin Co, TN (only > other Kincaid in County) >   > >> Hopson Kingcade 1m 45+, 1m 26-45, 2m > 16-26, 1m 10-16, 1f 45+, 1f 16-26, >   > >> 1f >   > >> 10-16 >   > >> >   > >> Hopson is listed on the 1792 Clark Co. > KY tax lists. >   > >> >   > >> Hobson Kincaid was the son of John > Kincaid and Elizabeth Logan and >   > >> grandson of David Kincaid and Winifred > Hobson of Albemarle Co. VA. The >   > >> Family Bible that was given to > Elizabeth Logan Kincaid in 1756 by her >   > >> father (sic, father-in-law) David > Kincaid, lists Hobson's birth as Nov. >   > >> 24 >   > >> 1763. >   > >> >   > >> There is strong circumstancial reason > to believe that dna participant >   > >> 28835 is a des.of John/Elizabeth > Logan's son Robert. Amon's DNA matches >   > >> #28835's DNA at all but 1 marker. The > match includes 2 significant >   > >> mutations. The 1st, a 12 at marker 26 > (DYS 460) places them in A-1b along >   > >> with a descendent of Joseph Kincaid of > Albemarle Co. VA, possible brother >   > >> to David. The 2nd, an 11 at marker 4 > (DYS 391), is unique in A-1b. The >   > >> unmatched results show a step up and a > step down from the group A AVV at >   > >> volitile marker 34 (CDYa). >   > >   > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart > in Excel: >   > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >   > >   > To join the DNA project, go to: >   > > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >   > >   > >   > >   > >   > ------------------------------- >   > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >           >   To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in > Excel: >    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >   To join the DNA project, go to: >   > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > >   ------------------------------- >   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

I believe Lesley has done an excellent job in documenting the lineage of Martyn Stuart Kincaid to Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth Cheisley. There are not many who are documented as well as this one. One of the other well documented ones is for Gene Kincaid, #23547 who shows back to Falkirk Parish in Scotland like Martyn shows so I understand Sue's apprehension on vetting Martyn since his dna does not match with 23547. With the excellent documentation for Martyn, I believe we should show him as vetted. One big reason I believe we should vet Martyn is that there could easily be 2 lines of Kincaid's in Falkirk Parish just as we have found 2 different lines of Kincaid's living next to each other in the Colonies in several instances. If we did not have another participant showing to Falkirk Parish, would anyone have an objection to Martyn's lineage being vetted? I doubt anyone would, given the excellent documentation. If vetted, I would not object to having a note stating that dna results have not confirmed Martyn's lineage to Falkirk or a similar statement. Don, # 1427 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Liedtke To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid to Thomas kincaidand Elizabeth Chielsy This is the 2nd call for comments on the post seeking to vet #186057 to Thomas/Elizabeth Chiesly. I have asked that comments be directed to the paper trail as a separate entity from the DNA as I have a question as to the advisability of vetting a line without a confirming DNA sample from the furthest ancestor. Normally it takes 2 identical samples from the lines of different sons of a given ancestor to prove the DNA of that ancestor. In most cases we can get around this because we have identical DNA from other Kincaids whose ancestors pre-date the given ancestor or could be descended from the same ancestor by a different son. In cases where there is an unexpected significant mutation, that mutation needs to be isolated before the line can be vetted. As an example:49289 has an unexpected mutation to 9 at marker 15. This is a significant mutation as it is used to separate A-2 Kincaids from A-1 Kincaids, however no other Kincaid (and there are many participants) in the immediate geographic region has this mutation. #49289 could not be vetted until #135736 who does not have the mutation could be vetted to a common ancestor (note other unvetted lines from this ancestor do not have the mutation). In the case of #186057 we do not have identical DNA from anyone else in the project. While Thomas/Elizabeth Chiesly may very well be represented by #186057's DNA, there is also the possibility that an undisclosed non-Kincaid paternal event occurred somewhere along the line. This needs to be ruled out with confirming DNA. Non the less, it would be of immense value to know if the paper research is sound i.e if the DNA were confirmed could this line be vetted. This would facilitate finding a participant from a different son's line to be tested for confirming DNA. Please look over the paper trail and comment. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Cains" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:31 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid to Thomas kincaid and Elizabeth Chielsy Vetting Martyn Stuart Kincaid to Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth Cheisley Martyn Kincaid DNA kit #186057 Researcher : Lesley Sharon Cains, mother of Martyn Stuart Kincaid and ex wife of Alan John Kincaid ___________________________________________________________ Martyn Stuart Kincaid 'Living' b.1987, Lilydale,Victoria Australia not married. Proven by; Australian birth certificate (original available) for Martyn Stuart Kincaid; parents listed as Alan John Kincaid and Lesley Sharon Kincaid nee Cains. Personal knowledge; I know my son is the son of Alan John Kincaid. ____________________________________________________________ Alan John Kincaid 'Living" b.1957 Carlton Victoria Australia m Lesley Sharon Cains in 1986 at Numurkah Victoria Australia (certificate available). Son of Bertram Langley Kincaid and Dorothy Dawn Nash. Proven by; Australian birth certificate for Alan John Kincaid listing parents as Bertram Langley Kincaid and Dorothy Dawn Nash. Personal knowledge; I personally know the parents and siblings of Alan John Kincaid all of whom acknowledge him as the son of Bertram Langley Kincaid. The parents and 3 of the 4 siblings of Alan John Kincaid are all still living. The siblings of Alan John Kincaid are Robert Charles Kincaid, Karen Eileen Kincaid, Helen Jean Kincaid and Heather Kincaid (1963-1963). _____________________________________________________________ Bertram Langley Kincaid 'Living' b.1930 Daylesford, Victoria Australia m Dorothy Dawn Nash 16 October 1955 Camberwell Victoria Australia. Son of Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and Sarah Rita Waters (both deceased). Proven by; Australian birth certificate for Bertram Langley Kincaid listing his parents as Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and Sarah Rita Waters, as confirmed by Bertram Langley Kincaid who resides in Victoria Australia. Australian death certificate's (copies available) for Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and Sarah Rita Kincaid (nee Waters) listing Bertram Langley Kincaid as their son, and also Bertram's siblings John (dec'd), Eileen (dec'd), Valma and Arthur David. Australian Electoral Roll records 1954 showing Bertram Langley Kincaid living at the home of Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and Sarah Rita Kincaid with his siblings Arthur and John. Springvale Victoria Australia crematorium records for Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and Sarah Rita Kincaid. Website look up; http://www.deceasedsearch.com/index.php?page=search&s_res=GO&cid=330&Given_N ames=&Surname=kincaid&Surname_ex=&hw_num=100 Personal knowledge; I personally knew both parents of Bertram Langley Kincaid and attended their funeral services. I personally knew both Valma Jean Kincaid and Arthur David Kincaid (both now deceased) siblings of Bertram Langley Kincaid. The family also told me of Eileen Hilda Kincaid, sister of Bertram Langley Kincaid who married William St Dennis and migrated to the United States, her social security death index ssn 037-20-3410 Rhode Island date of death August 1976, and California passenger & Crew list showing Eileen St Denis & William St Denis arriving in California 12 Sep 1946, with Eileen on an Australian passport with notation of her maiden name confirms what the family have related to me. Alan John Kincaid also told of Bertram's deceased brother John Charles Kincaid who died alone following an accident in his home in 1978 as proven by his obituary and Springvale Crematorium records. ____________________________________________________________ Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid b. 7 January 1902 Daylesford Victoria Australia m Sarah Rita Waters 24 March 1922 Mildura Victoria Australia (certificate available). Son of Charles Langley Kincaid and Elizabeth Nelson. Proven by; Australian birth record #2384 (copy available) for Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid DOB as 7 January 1902 listing his parents as Charles Kincaid (a Miner aged 42) and Elizabeth Kincaid, formerly Nelson (aged 42) living at Eganstown Victoria, who were married 13 April 1891. Siblings shown on the certificate are Grace Cowling Kincaid, Alice Kincaid, Eliza Kincaid, Clarice Kincaid and Helena Kincaid (dec'd). Australian marriage record #558 (copy available) for Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and Sarah Rita Waters married on 24 March 1922 at St Margaret's Vicarage Mildura, listing Arthur's father as Charles Langley Kincaid, a Miner as his father and Elizabeth Nelson as his mother. Australian death record #12575/83 (copy available) for Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid date of death 6 June 1983 at Heatherton Victoria Australia, retired aged 81 years and born in Daylesford Victoria. Fathers name showing as Charles Kincaid and mother as Elizabeth Kincaid (maiden name Nelson), certified by his wife Sarah (known as Rita) Kincaid. This certificate also shows Arthur was 20 years old when he married Sarah Rita Waters in Mildura and that he was still married at the time of his death, children listed as Arthur aged 61 yrs, Valma aged 59 yrs, Eileen (deceased), John (deceased), Bertram aged 53 years. Australian Electoral Roll's for the years 1924, 1931, 1936, 1937 and 1949 detailing his address and family members (available to view on Ancestry.com). An on-line Australian newspaper Archive record detailing the death of his sister Clarice Leona Kincaid and recording that her body was identified by her brother Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid reads; "Found dead in the bush, died from exposure, exhaustion and natural causes (refer to inquest & newpaper articles), VPRS 24/P Unit 1031 File 92 Clarice Leona Kincaid died on or about 28 Dec 1922 from exhaustion during the first stages of labour. Body identified by brother - Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid (stonemason) residing at Victoria park Daylesford. Arthur Angove aged 16 from Daylesord was one of those that found her along with Frank Stevens and James Langdon who were bird nesting on Angus Hill, on the Cornish Reef". (ref; http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1871036?searchTerm=clarice+kinc aid). Springvale Victoria Crematorium records showing that he was cremated 8 June 1983. Personal knowledge; I personally knew Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and visited his home with Alan John Kincaid, I also attended his funeral service. I identified the address' given in the Australian Electoral Roll's from my visits to his home, and the earlier address' from when I took Sarah Rita Kincaid back To Daylesford and she showed me her old home. Sarah Rita Kincaid also took me to her own parents' grave, explaining that Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid was a stonemason by trade and made her parents tombstone and many others in the Kyneton & Daylesford area. Sarah told me they had named their son Bertram Langley Kincaid after Arthur's father Charles Langley Kincaid. _______________________________________________________________________ Charles Langley Kincaid b.21 Apr 1859 Mt Egerton Victoria Australia m Elizabeth Nelson 30 April 1891 Daylesford Victoria (certificate available). Son of Thomas William Kincaid and Eliza Rae. Proven by; Australian birth record #154 (copy available) for Charles Langley Kincaid DOB as 21 April 1859 at Mount Egerton Victoria, details show father as Thomas William Kincaid a Miner in aged 36 years and born Cape of Good Hope, marriage details on this record for Thomas William Kincaid given as "1845 Stepney London", other children "Thomas Kincaid and Alconda Degney Kincaid". Mother as Eliza Kincaid formerly Rae, aged 31 years from Waterford Ireland and signed by Thomas William Kincaid, father. Australian marriage record #4032 (copy available) for Charles Langley Kincaid and Eliza Nelson 30 April 1891 at the Bible Christian parsonage Daylesford. This record details Charles aged as 32 years as son of Thomas William Kincaid a Miner, and Elizabeth Rae. Australian death record #1813 (copy available) for Charles Langley Kincaid, a Miner died 28 May 1931 at the District Hospital Daylesford aged 72 years, his parents are given as Thomas William Kincaid and Elizabeth Kincaid formerly Rae. It shows Charles was buried on 30 May 1931 at Daylesford cemetery and that he was born in Eganstown and had lived in Victoria his whole life. His children are listed as Grace 39 years, Alice 38 years, Myrtle 35 years, Clarice (deceased) and Arthur 29 years. Australian Electoral Roll's for the years 1914, 1924 and 1928 detailing his address and family members. Obituary; (1) THE DAYLESFORD ADVOCATE Friday, May 29, 1931 FUNERAL NOTICE KINCAID -The friends of the late Mr. Charles Langley Kincaid are respectfully informed that his remains will be interred in the Dayiesford Cemetery TOMORROW (Saturday) May 30. The Funeral is appointed to leave the mortuary parlour of R. F. Verey at 1.30 pm. R. F. Verey, Funeral Director. Phone 245. (2) THE DAYLESFORD ADVOCATE Tuesday 2 June, 1931 OBITUARY CHARLES LANGLEY KINCAID The death occurred on Thursday morning last, of Mr Charles Langley Kincaid, after a long illness, at the age of 72 years. The late Mr. Kincaid was born in Eganstown district, and had resided in this locality all his life. For many years he was connected to the mining industry. Mrs. Kincaid and an adult family of three daughters and one son survive to mourn their loss, one daughter having predeceased Mr. Kincaid some years ago. The funeral took place on Saturday afternoon, and was largely attended. The casket was carried by Messrs. M. Dickson, W. Spear, W. Burnett (sons-in-law), C. Nelson (nephew), A. Dickson and J. Dickson. Rev. S. D. Yarrington conducted the service at the graveside, and the funeral arrangements were in the hands of Mr. R. F. Verey. Grave; Grave C of E 4 C 6 In loving memory of Charles Langley Kincaid, Elizabeth Kincaid, and Grace Cowling Dickson died 18 Feb, 1982. The personal knowledge of his grandson Bertram Langley Kincaid, who has confirmed the above for me. ______________________________________________________________ Thomas William Kincaid b.2 August 1823 Cape of Good Hope, South Africa m (i) Elizabeth Catherine Barrett on 18 May 1845 Stepney London (certificate available). Elizabeth Catherine Barratt died 13 March 1850. This marriage produced one child, Thomas Hardie Kincaid b. 16 February 1849 (certificate available) Rotherhithe England and died 3 February 1929 at Rotherhithe London UK. Thomas William Kincaid b.2 August 1823 Cape of Good Hope, South Africa m (ii) Eliza Rae on 16 Nov 1850 Victoria Australia Son of Charles Kincaid and Hillegonda Sophia Row. Proven by; Beaufort West, South Africa Baptism register on microfilm number 5-39, "Child Thomas William born 2 August 1823, baptised 17 August 1823. Parents Charles Kincaid, Hilegonda [sic] Sophia Roow [sic]. Witnesses Joseph Cleaver, Susanna Frederica Roow [sic], Willem Roow[sic], Anna Roow[sic]". (photograph of document ordered from GISA and available November 2010). Beaufort West South Africa Baptism record, born 2 August 1823, baptised 17 August 1823 as per the SA Genealogies by Lombard & Hesse, page 277 (this record purchased from GISA, Genealogy Institute of South Africa) and also provided by contact with Joy Roy (a descendant of Thomas William Kincaid and professional researcher), Heather McAllister and Tessa King (Administrators for Ancestry24.com). Details taken from the - UK Marriage record for Thomas William Kincaid (of full age, a Mariner Chief Officer - son of Charles Kincaid, a sadler) to Elizabeth Catherine Barratt (with consent of parents) on 18 May 1845 at St Thomas' Church Stepney UK, witnessed by William Brown & Sophia Barratt (copy available). Taken from the - UK Birth record (copy available) of Thomas Hardie Kincaid 16 February 1849, father given as Thomas William Kincaid (Master Mariner) mother as Elizabeth Catherine Kincaid formerly Barratt. Taken from the - Australian Death record #14665 (copy on available) 14 December 1903 at Leonards Hill Victoria Australia, Thomas William Kincaid aged 80 years. His father was recorded as John Kincaid, profession unknown, information on this record was detailed as being provided by his son John Rae Kincaid. He was buried on 16 December 1903 at Eganstown Public cemetery, and shows he had lived 50 years in Victoria. Place of birth given as Cape Town, Cape Colony South Africa, married to Eliza Rae (not living). The children of Thomas William Kincaid are listed as Charles 44 years, Janet 42 years, John 40 years, Margaret 38 years, Annie 36 years, Isabella 34 years, Eliza 32 years, Thomas William 30 years and Alconda (deceased). The Australian birth records (copies available) for the Children of Thomas William Kincaid & Eliza Rae for Charles Langley 1859, John Rae 1863, Annie Eliza 1868, Elizabeth 1873, Thomas William 1875 all detailing the father and his place of birth as The cape of Good Hope. The birth certificate's for Thomas William Kincaid's children; John Rae Kincaid in 1863 details Thomas William Kincaid & Eliza Rae married in Melbourne 1851. On Annie Eliza's record it details 'Melbourne', on Elizabeth's as 16 November 1850 and on Thomas' 1875 birth record as 26 November 1850. Australian death record (copy available) for daughter Alconda Kincaid aged 14 years 27 May 1870 in Eganstown details her parents as Thomas William Kincaid and Eliza Kincaid, and that Alconda was born in Newstead, Melbourne Victoria Australia. The Australian marriage certificate for daughter Janet Hardie Kincaid (copy available) 25 October 1887 shows her parents as Thomas William Kincaid and Eliza Kincaid nee Rae, on her death record in 1933 (copy available) her parents were given as John Kincaid (a Miner) and Eliza Kincaid formerly Rae as provided by S Brown, authorised agent When youngest son Thomas William Kincaid died in 1959 at aged 84 his parents were listed as unknown. Australian 1903 Electoral Roll showing Thomas William Kincaid living at Leonards Hill Victoria, occupation Miner. Australian Rate Books - Mt Franklin Victoria from 1872 - 1902 Australian Newspaper Archive - Daylesford Advocate Thursday 17 December 1903 - The late Mr Kincaid; The remains of Mr T W Kincaid were interred in the Eganstown Public Cemetery yesterday. The funeral started from his late residence at Leonard's Hill and comprised of mourners in eight conveyances and seven horsemen. The bearers were Messers Kramer, Aldridge, McKidrew (2), Ladigus and Blackwell, Mr Taylor read the burial service. Messer's Verey Bros had charge of the mortuary arrangements. _____________________________________________________ Charles Kincaid b.3 May 1791 m (i) Hillegonda Sophia Row on 3 August 1818 Cape of Good Hope (Hillegonda born 1800, died 4 February 1831). Charles Kincaid b.3 May 1791 m (ii) Christina Johanna Marian Sporkman, widow of John Herbert 12 October 1846 Cape of Good Hope (copy available). Son of John Kincaid and Margaret Gaff Proven by; Scottish OPR record 487/0010 0356 (copy on available) detailing "John Kincaid and Margaret Gaff, their son named Charles was born 3 May 1791 and baptised 8 May, witness' Thomas Kincaid and John Gibb". Website - Old Polmont Church (note - please note that not all details on this website are accurate eg Sir John Kincaid given as never married, he in fact married Louisa Frisbee a month before his death). refer www.polmontold.org.uk/hist1845part06.html >From the list of passengers arriving in South Africa on board the Ship 'The Brilliant' in 1817, Charles Kincaid was part of a group of Scottish Artisans organised by Benjamin Moodie. >From the Book - British Residents at the Cape 1795-1819, by David Phillip page 222, in part reads - "Kincaid, Charles, saddler single arrived 4 June 1817 Table Bay, in Brilliant ex Downs under Moodies direction. 2 August 1817 has commenced business (saddle, cap and harness maker). 3 August 1818 marriage of CK of Falkirk, Stirling aged 27 to Hillegonda Sophia d,o, Robt. Row aged 18. 6 June 1819 baptised their son John Robert. 18 March 1821 baptised of their son Charles Langley". >From the National Archives of South Africa - in 1818 'memorials received, Charles Kincaid requesting permission to remain in the Colony. >From the National Archives of South Africa - Charles Kincaid aged 27, birthplace Falkirk Stirling married at The English Church to Hillegonda Sophia Row aged 18 born at The Cape on 3 August 1818 as published in The Capetown Gazette. Marriage certificate (copy available) Charles Kincaid (widower, occupation Sadler) married in Paarl South Africa to Christina Johanna Maria Sporkman (widow). Death certificate #2505 (copy available) Charles Kincaid born in Scotland, married died on 5 March 1866. Lists the children of his 2nds wife's previous marriage and John Robert Kincaid as son with Hillegonda Sophia. >From the National Archives of South Africa - Charles Kincaid will filed 1866. >From the South African Commercial Advisor - (1) 1826, a daughter of Mr C Kincaid baptised Jessy, (2) 1829 a son of Mr Charles Kincaid baptised Alexander Row, (3) 1831 February 4, Sophia Kincaid wife of Mr C Kincaid died aged 30 years and 6 months. Reference; book - "This I'll Defend, The Story of the Kincaid's by Bill Kincaid" Reference; pamphlet obtained in full from The National Archives of South Africa "The Kincaid Family in South Africa" by JJ Scheepers and confirmed by Leonard Kincaid who resides in South Africa son of Joy Scheepers & Donald Kincaid descendants of John Robert Kincaid b.1819 at the Cape of Good Hope. _________________________________________________________________ John Kincaid b.10 June 1762 Polmont Stirlingshire Scotland m Margaret Gaff (marriage on OPR's shows 20 Nov 1784 Bothkennar & 16 Dec 1784 as the Proclamation Polmont for both parties) Son of Thomas Kincaid and Elizabeth Chiesly (Cheesley) Proven by; Scottish OPR Baptism record 487/0010 0084 13 June 1762, "Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth Chiesly their son named John was born 10 June and baptised 13 June, witness' Alexander and Robert Kincaid and John Clark". (Copy Available) Scottish OPR marriage record 473/000010/0260 20th November 1784 marriage bans, naming John Kincaid if Dalbeath. "(copy available). Falkirk Churchyard Grave 184, John Kincaid death 11 February 1794 aged 33 years. Reference; book - Mitchell, John Fowler. Monumental inscriptions (pre 1855) in East Stirlingshire. Edinburgh: Scottish Genealogy Society, 1972]. "John Kincaid, 1st son of Thos Kincaid & Eliz Chislie, age 33, at Carronflats on 11 February 1794; John's wife, Margt Gaff, age 85, on 5 February 1844; John's 1st son, Thos Kincaid, age 63, at Glasgow on 31 December 1848; John's youngest son, Alex Kincaid, age 17, having drowned by shipwreck on coast of Durham on 27 January 1806; John's 2nd son, John Kincaid, 76, at Hastings on 23 April 1862, (having entered the army in 1809 & served throughout the Peninsular war with Rifle Brigade, knighted 1852, senior exon of HM Royal Bodyguard & for many years government inspector of prisons & factories for Scotland); John's (Margt Gaff) only daughter, Margt Kincaid, age 71, widow of the late Peter Hardie, merchant in Leith, on 6 October 1863; and John's 3rd son, Charles Kincaid, age 73, at Pearl Cape of Good Hope on 5 March 1866" (Note - Information provided by both Peter A Kincaid, Canada and also Ann Taylor, nee Kincaid England UK and confirmed verbally that this Book available from the National Library of Australia, Canberra Australia, copies of relevant extracts pending). Reference; made available courtesy of Peter A Kincaid, Canada. "John Kincaid, son of Thomas Kincaid, farmer, Newlands, as heir to Alexander Chiesly, Tenant, Newlands, his grandfather, seised, Oct. 18. 1788, -in part of Bothkennar called Dalbeith, with Ferry Boat & fishing in Carron, & Teinds, par. Bothkennar; -on Pr. Chan. Oct. 7. 1788. P.R. 30. 184. [Abridgement of Sasines, Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. 1, no. 1394. Registered 20 October 1788]". "John Kincaid of Dalbaith, as heir to Elizabeth Chiesly, his mother, seised, Oct. 18. 1788, -in part of Bothkennar called Dalbaith, with Ferry Boat, and Fishing in Carron, par. Bothkennar; -on Pr. Cl. Con. by himself, Oct. 18. 1788. P.R. 30.185. [Abridgement of Sasines, Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. 1, no. 1395. Registered 20 October 1788]". "John Kincaid of Dalbaith, gets Resig. ad Rem. Oct. 18. 1788, -of part of Bothkennar called Dalbaith, with Ferry Boat, & Fishing in Carron, par. Bothkennar; -on Proc. resig. by himself, Oct. 18. 1788. P.R. 30. 186. [Abridgement of Sasines, Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. 1, no. 1396. Registered 20 October 1788]". "The Trustees of John Kincaid of Dalbaith, seised, Mar. 22. 1800, -in an Oxengate of land of Bothkennar called Dalbaith with the Ferry Boat and part of the fishing of the Water of Carron, and Teinds; (&2 Oxengates of land of the lands of Bothkennar in warrandice), par. Bothkennar; -under burden of £50 each to John, Alexander, and Charles Kincaid, and 500 Merks Scots to Margaret Kincaid, younger children of the said John Kincaid, &c; -on Disp. & Settlement by the said John Kincaid, & Margaret Gaff, his spouse, Sept. 6. 1793. P.R. 36.35. [Abridgement of Sasines, Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. 1, no. 3904. Registered 20 May 1800]". Reference; book - "This I'll Defend, The Story of the Kincaid's by Bill Kincaid" Reference; Book - "Adventures of The Rifle Brigade" by sibling Sir John Kincaid detailing his family, father John Kincaid. ___________________________________________________________________ Thomas Kincaid b. circa 1731 Falkirk Scotland m Elizabeth Chiesly 12 July 1761. Son of (unknown - possible either of James Kincaid & Janet Simson, or John Kincaid & Jean Kincaid) Proven by; Marriage record - Scottish OPR Marriage Ban 479/00008 00237 10 July 1761 Falkirk, and Scottish OPR Marriage proclamation Polmont 487/00002 0016 (copies available) this record names Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth Chielsy but neither of their parents. _________________________________________________________________ Other resources used; Ancestry.com record search for BDM records, Census returns, travel records, Australian Electoral Rolls. Ancestry24.com for South African research re BDM's, Wills and application to remain in the Colony. Ancestry.Co.ZA to view & purchase South African death records. Scotslands People (www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk) record search for OPR records re BDM's, Census & Wills. GISA (Genealogical Institute of South Africa) for South African family history records. NAAIRS for South African records re BDM's, Wills and application to remain in the Colony etc. Book - British Residents at The Cape 1795-1819 by David Phillip. On-Line Book - Extracts of Marriages at The Cape of Good Hope 1806-1821. On-Line Book - Extracts of Baptisms at The Cape of Good Hope 1806-1821 192.com for UK contacts. Springvale Crematorium Records for confirming Australian deaths. The Australian National Archives. The Australian National Library. The Victorian Government Public Records Office. The Victorian Registry of Birth, Deaths & Marriages. The Daylesford Family History Society. The Australian WW2 Nominal Roll. The Kincaid family living in Australia. Trove - Australian newspapers on line. London newspaper archives on line. Edinburgh newspaper archives on line. The Genealogical Society of South Africa historical newspapers on line. Google. Note - Australia does not have census returns as these are not archived after the government has collated the data it requires. __________________________________________________________________________ Footnote's - John Kincaid & Margaret Gaff had 5 children; Son Thomas, a Merchant baptised 30 October 1785, died 31 December 1848. Married Isabella Balloch 17 January 1818 and produced 5 sons and 5 daughters per the OPR records. OPR & BDM records show that 4 of the sons died without marrying, and John living in Lancashire unmarried aged 60 yrs in 1881. Son John Kincaid baptised 29 July 1787, died 23 April 1862. Married Louisa Frisbee 19 March 1862, no children. Son Alexander christened 7 June 1789, died in a shipwreck 27 January 1806. Never married, no children. Son Charles as detailed above in vetting. Daughter Margaret christened 22 July 1795, died 6 October 1863. Married Peter Hardie 8 March 1811 and produced 4 sons and 1 daughter. Both her son's Thomas Kincaid Hardie and John Hardie travelled to Australia in search of gold. Thomas married Janet Hoyle in Victoria 1848, returning to the UK to 'live off his own means' as a 'retired Australian Squatter'. John married Elizabeth Hoyle in Victoria Australia 1841, this couple also returned to the UK. Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth Cheisly's son Alexander b.1764 married Jean Clark. This couple had 6 children, their son Thomas b.1796 was 'Captain Thomas Kincaid - Shipmaster' who married Ann Henderson. Two of Thomas & Ann's sons died overseas - Alexander b.1839 died 1892 in Buenos Ayres and James b.1903 died in 1903 Patagonia Argentina. Their 2nd eldest of their son's , John George Kincaid born in 1840 founded J G Kincaid Shipping in Inverclyde. John G Kincaid married Margaret Grierson, their eldest son Thomas Lennox Kincaid b.1877 travelled to Australia settling in NSW. He married there in 1936 and died in December 1940, (His death certificate is available). His wife's son by her 1st marriage, Hilton Grenville Marcuso who had links to the notorious Kings Cross criminal underworld, took the Kincaid surname, and died in NSW Australia in 1975. Hillegonda Sophia Row, wife of Charles Kincaid - was born at The Cape of Good Hope in 1800 and dies at aged 31 on 4 February 1831 as listed in the South African Commercial Adviser. Hillegonda was the daughter of Englishman Robert Row and Helena Wilhelma Aspeling. Helena & Robert married at The Cape on 14 April 1800, she was the widow of Lambrecht Van der Woord and had two children by him (Johanna Louise and Jan Christian). Helena and Robert had 3 other children; Susannah Frederika Row 1802 - 1831. Susannah married Joseph Cleaver (soap manufacturer) in 1823 at Beaufort West and this couple were witness' to the marriage of Hillegonda & Charles Kincaid's son Thomas William Kincaid's baptism at the Dutch Reformed Church in Beaufort West August 1823. They had one child, a daughter Ann born in 1824 and died in 1825. Joseph Cleaver died in 1824. Johanna Margaretha Row 1802-1848. Johanna married Samuel Mollett in 1834. Robert James Row 1809-1839. Hillegonda's mother was Hillegonda Kotze also born at The Cape of Good Hope as was her mother before her. It was Hillegonda Rows Gr Gr grandparents that came to The Cape from Germany and The Nederland's, and her grandfather Erik Aspeling from Sweden. Charles Kincaid & Hillegonda Row's 1st born son was John Robert Kincaid born 1819. He married Frances Dorothea Fison 10th July 1846, and this couple had six children; Charles John Kincaid 5 Jan 1848 Thomas Henrik Herbert Kincaid 20 Apr 1851 - 29 June 1923 (married Sarah Maria Holmes, and had six children, see below) Dorothea Christina Kincaid 11 Mar 1853 married Richard Walton Alexander Frederick Kincaid 10 Apr 1855 Ellen Elizabeth Kincaid 18 Jan 1857 Elizabeth Harriette Kincaid 21 Mar 1860 Thomas Hendrik Herbert and Sarah Maria Holmes went on to have six children; Gertrude Frances Kincaid 16 Jul 1884 Percy Frederick Kincaid 11 Nov 1886 - 22 May 1967 married (1) Alice Maud Poggenpoel, 2 children John b 15 May 1926 and Maud b 28 Sep 1914 (2) Iris Alexandria Morkel, one son Charles Morkel Kincaid b 22 Dec 1932. (Charles married Maria VanSchalkwyk and had 2 sons, John 15 Jan 1963 and Paul in 1965. Leonard Thomas Kincaid 25 Jan 1888 - 1965, married Charlotte Augusta Gerhardt. This couple had 3 children; Gwendoline 28 Sep 1916 - 1956, Roland Kincaid b.1920 and Donald Kincaid 16 Aug 1929. Donald married Joy Scheepers and they had 3 children; Leonard, Gary & Mark Kincaid. Mildred Constance Kincaid 10 Aug 1891 Charles Henry Kincaid 24 Sep 1894, married Enid Audrey Holmes (Enid was born in Rockhampton Qld 4 May 1901) Gwendoline Jessie Holmes Kincaid 31 Oct 1897. The information re John Robert Kincaid and his descendants became available from a NAAIRS document 'The Kincaid family in South Africa' and a list of Kincaid births and marriages purchased from GISA. Leonard Kincaid (son of Donald and Joy - see 3 above) who still resides in South Africa, has confirmed all of the above for me also advising he has 2 sons, Mark Douglas Kincaid and Luke Richard Kincaid who also reside in South Africa. Thomas Hardie Kincaid born 16 Feb 1849 to Thomas William Kincaid and Elizabeth Catherine Barrett in Stepney, Ratcliff County of Middlesex. His death certificate shows he died on 3 Feb 1829 in Rotherhithe, County of London as witnessed by his daughter Julia Charlotte Howes, nee Kincaid. I am unsure who actually raised Thomas Hardie Kincaid after his mother died in 1850 and his father Thomas William Kincaid left the UK to continue his travels and ultimately end up in Australia. Thomas Hardie Kincaid is mentioned on only one of his ½ siblings Australian birth records, and was not listed on his father's Australian death certificate. Thomas Hardie married Sarah Ann Drake in 1867, and after her death married Elizabeth Abel in 1898. Thomas and Sarah had five children; Julia Charlotte Kincaid 1868-1934 William Henry Brooks Kincaid 1870-1943 Sarah Catherine Kincaid 1873-1911 Eliza Elizabeth Kincaid 1878- Annie Brooks Kincaid 1883-1883 Thomas William Brooks Kincaid 1885 - (date of death unconfirmed). Thomas married Alice May Springall and this couple had 6 children, the youngest being Eric David Hardie Kincaid (children's illustrator and Artist. Eric also did the artwork for Bill Kincaid in his book, This I'll Defend - The Story of the Kincaids). These details have been confirmed with Eric's daughter Ann Taylor (nee Kincaid) and his son David Kincaid in the UK. (Further details available if required). 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I agree with what Don has written. Leslie has compiled a very well documented, well-organized, and cogently expressed vetting post. Sincerely Norman Kincaide --- On Wed, 12/8/10, Don W Kincaid <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Don W Kincaid <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid to Thomas kincaidand Elizabeth Chielsy > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 9:58 PM > I believe Lesley has done an > excellent job in documenting the lineage of Martyn Stuart > Kincaid to Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth Cheisley. There > are not many who are documented as well as this one. One of > the other well documented ones is for Gene Kincaid, #23547 > who shows back to Falkirk Parish in Scotland like Martyn > shows so I understand Sue's apprehension on vetting Martyn > since his dna does not match with 23547. With the excellent > documentation for Martyn, I believe we should show him as > vetted. One big reason I believe we should vet Martyn is > that there could easily be 2 lines of Kincaid's in Falkirk > Parish just as we have found 2 different lines of Kincaid's > living next to each other in the Colonies in several > instances. If we did not have another participant showing to > Falkirk Parish, would anyone have an objection to Martyn's > lineage being vetted? I doubt anyone would, given the > excellent documentation. If vetted, I would not object to > having a note stating that dna results have not confirmed > Martyn's lineage to Falkirk or a similar statement. > > Don, # 1427 > > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Sue Liedtke >   To: [email protected] > >   Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:40 PM >   Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn > Kincaid to Thomas kincaidand Elizabeth Chielsy > > >   This is the 2nd call for comments on the post > seeking to vet #186057 to >   Thomas/Elizabeth Chiesly. I have asked that comments > be directed to the >   paper trail as a separate entity from the DNA as I > have a question as to the >   advisability of vetting a line without a confirming > DNA sample from the >   furthest ancestor. > >   Normally it takes 2 identical samples from the lines > of different sons of a >   given ancestor to prove the DNA of that ancestor. In > most cases we can get >   around this because we have identical DNA from other > Kincaids whose >   ancestors pre-date the given ancestor or could be > descended from the same >   ancestor by a different son. In cases where there is > an unexpected >   significant mutation, that mutation needs to be > isolated before the line can >   be vetted. As an example:49289 has an unexpected > mutation to 9 at marker 15. >   This is a significant mutation as it is used to > separate A-2 Kincaids from >   A-1 Kincaids, however no other Kincaid (and there > are many participants) in >   the immediate geographic region has this mutation. > #49289 could not be >   vetted until #135736 who does not have the mutation > could be vetted to a >   common ancestor (note other unvetted lines from this > ancestor do not have >   the mutation). > >   In the case of #186057 we do not have identical DNA > from anyone else in the >   project. While Thomas/Elizabeth Chiesly may very > well be represented by >   #186057's DNA, there is also the possibility that an > undisclosed non-Kincaid >   paternal event occurred somewhere along the line. > This needs to be ruled out >   with confirming DNA. > >   Non the less, it would be of immense value to know > if the paper research is >   sound i.e if the DNA were confirmed could this line > be vetted. This would >   facilitate finding a participant from a different > son's line to be tested >   for confirming DNA. Please look over the paper trail > and comment. > >   Sue Liedtke > >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: "Lesley Cains" <[email protected]> >   To: <[email protected]> >   Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:31 AM >   Subject: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid to > Thomas kincaid and >   Elizabeth Chielsy > > > >   Vetting Martyn Stuart Kincaid to Thomas Kincaid > & Elizabeth Cheisley >   Martyn Kincaid DNA kit #186057 >   Researcher : Lesley Sharon Cains, mother of Martyn > Stuart Kincaid and ex >   wife of Alan John Kincaid > >   > ___________________________________________________________ > > >   Martyn Stuart Kincaid 'Living' b.1987, > Lilydale,Victoria Australia not >   married. > >   Proven by; > >   Australian birth certificate (original available) > for Martyn Stuart Kincaid; >   parents listed as Alan John Kincaid and Lesley > Sharon Kincaid nee Cains. > >   Personal knowledge; I know my son is the son of Alan > John Kincaid. >   > ____________________________________________________________ > >   Alan John Kincaid 'Living" b.1957 Carlton Victoria > Australia m Lesley Sharon >   Cains in 1986 at Numurkah Victoria Australia > (certificate available). > >   Son of Bertram Langley Kincaid and Dorothy Dawn > Nash. > >   Proven by; > >   Australian birth certificate for Alan John Kincaid > listing parents as >   Bertram Langley Kincaid and Dorothy Dawn Nash. > >   Personal knowledge; I personally know the parents > and siblings of Alan John >   Kincaid all of whom acknowledge him as the son of > Bertram Langley Kincaid. > >   The parents and 3 of the 4 siblings of Alan John > Kincaid are all still >   living. > >   The siblings of Alan John Kincaid are Robert Charles > Kincaid, Karen Eileen >   Kincaid, Helen Jean Kincaid and Heather Kincaid > (1963-1963). >   > _____________________________________________________________ > >   Bertram Langley Kincaid 'Living' b.1930 Daylesford, > Victoria Australia  m >   Dorothy Dawn Nash  16 October 1955 Camberwell > Victoria Australia. > >   Son of Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and Sarah Rita > Waters (both deceased). > >   Proven by; > >   Australian birth certificate for Bertram Langley > Kincaid listing his parents >   as Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and Sarah Rita > Waters, as confirmed by >   Bertram Langley Kincaid who resides in Victoria > Australia. > >   Australian death certificate's (copies available) > for Arthur Charles Nelson >   Kincaid and Sarah Rita Kincaid (nee Waters) listing > Bertram Langley Kincaid >   as their son, and also Bertram's siblings John > (dec'd), Eileen (dec'd), >   Valma and  Arthur David. > >   Australian Electoral Roll records 1954 showing > Bertram Langley Kincaid >   living at the home of Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid > and Sarah Rita Kincaid >   with his siblings Arthur and John. > >   Springvale Victoria Australia crematorium records > for Arthur Charles Nelson >   Kincaid and Sarah Rita Kincaid.  Website look > up; >   http://www.deceasedsearch.com/index.php?page=search&s_res=GO&cid=330&Given_N >   > ames=&Surname=kincaid&Surname_ex=&hw_num=100 > >   Personal knowledge; I personally knew both parents > of Bertram Langley >   Kincaid and attended their funeral services. >   I personally knew both Valma Jean Kincaid and Arthur > David Kincaid (both now >   deceased) siblings of Bertram Langley Kincaid. >   The family also told me of Eileen Hilda Kincaid, > sister of Bertram Langley >   Kincaid who married William St Dennis and migrated > to the United States, her >   social security death index ssn 037-20-3410 Rhode > Island date of death >   August 1976, and California passenger & Crew > list showing Eileen St Denis & >   William St Denis arriving in California 12 Sep 1946, > with Eileen on an >   Australian passport with notation of her maiden name > confirms what the >   family have related to me. >   Alan John Kincaid also told of Bertram's deceased > brother John Charles >   Kincaid who died alone following an accident in his > home in 1978 as proven >   by his obituary and Springvale Crematorium records. > >   > ____________________________________________________________ > >   Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid b. 7 January 1902 > Daylesford Victoria >   Australia m Sarah Rita Waters 24 March 1922 Mildura > Victoria Australia >   (certificate available). > >   Son of Charles Langley Kincaid and Elizabeth > Nelson. > >   Proven by; > >   Australian birth record #2384 (copy available) for > Arthur Charles Nelson >   Kincaid DOB as 7 January 1902  listing his > parents as Charles Kincaid (a >   Miner aged 42) and Elizabeth Kincaid, formerly > Nelson (aged 42) living at >   Eganstown Victoria, who were married 13 April 1891. > Siblings shown on the >   certificate are Grace Cowling Kincaid, Alice > Kincaid, Eliza Kincaid, Clarice >   Kincaid and Helena Kincaid (dec'd). > >   Australian marriage record #558 (copy available) for > Arthur Charles Nelson >   Kincaid and Sarah Rita Waters married on 24 March > 1922 at St Margaret's >   Vicarage Mildura, listing Arthur's father as Charles > Langley Kincaid, a >   Miner as his father and Elizabeth Nelson as his > mother. > >   Australian death record #12575/83 (copy available) > for Arthur Charles Nelson >   Kincaid date of death 6 June 1983 at Heatherton > Victoria Australia, retired >   aged 81 years and born in Daylesford Victoria.  > Fathers name showing as >   Charles Kincaid and mother as Elizabeth Kincaid > (maiden name Nelson), >   certified by his wife Sarah (known as Rita) > Kincaid.  This certificate also >   shows Arthur was 20 years old when he married Sarah > Rita Waters in Mildura >   and that he was still married at the time of his > death, children listed as >   Arthur aged 61 yrs, Valma aged 59 yrs, Eileen > (deceased), John (deceased), >   Bertram aged 53 years. > >   Australian Electoral Roll's for the years 1924, > 1931, 1936, 1937 and 1949 >   detailing his address and family members (available > to view on >   Ancestry.com). > >   An on-line Australian newspaper Archive record > detailing the death of his >   sister Clarice Leona Kincaid and recording that her > body was identified by >   her brother Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid reads; > "Found dead in the bush, >   died from exposure, exhaustion and natural causes > (refer to inquest & >   newpaper articles), VPRS 24/P Unit 1031 File 92 > Clarice Leona Kincaid died >   on or about 28 Dec 1922 from exhaustion during the > first stages of labour. >   Body identified by brother - Arthur Charles Nelson > Kincaid (stonemason) >   residing at Victoria park Daylesford. Arthur Angove > aged 16 from Daylesord >   was one of those that found her along with Frank > Stevens and James Langdon >   who were bird nesting on Angus Hill, on the Cornish > Reef". (ref; >   http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1871036?searchTerm=clarice+kinc >   aid). > >   Springvale Victoria Crematorium records showing that > he was cremated 8 June >   1983. > >   Personal knowledge; I personally knew Arthur Charles > Nelson Kincaid and >   visited his home with Alan John Kincaid, I also > attended his funeral >   service. I identified the address' given in the > Australian Electoral Roll's >   from my visits to his home, and the earlier address' > from when I took Sarah >   Rita Kincaid back To Daylesford and she showed me > her old home. Sarah Rita >   Kincaid also took me to her own parents' grave, > explaining that Arthur >   Charles Nelson Kincaid was a stonemason by trade and > made her parents >   tombstone and many others in the Kyneton & > Daylesford area.  Sarah told me >   they had named their son Bertram Langley Kincaid > after Arthur's father >   Charles Langley Kincaid. >   > _______________________________________________________________________ > >   Charles Langley Kincaid b.21 Apr 1859 Mt Egerton > Victoria Australia m >   Elizabeth Nelson 30 April 1891 Daylesford Victoria > (certificate available). > >   Son of Thomas William Kincaid and Eliza Rae. > >   Proven by; > >   Australian birth record #154 (copy available) for > Charles Langley Kincaid >   DOB as 21 April 1859 at Mount Egerton Victoria, > details show father as >   Thomas William Kincaid a Miner in aged 36 years and > born Cape of Good Hope, >   marriage details on this record for Thomas William > Kincaid given as "1845 >   Stepney London", other children "Thomas Kincaid and > Alconda Degney Kincaid". >   Mother as Eliza Kincaid formerly Rae, aged 31 years > from Waterford Ireland >   and signed by Thomas William Kincaid, father. > >   Australian marriage record #4032 (copy available) > for Charles Langley >   Kincaid and Eliza Nelson 30 April 1891 at the Bible > Christian parsonage >   Daylesford. This record details Charles aged as 32 > years as son of Thomas >   William Kincaid a Miner, and Elizabeth Rae. > >   Australian death record #1813 (copy available) for > Charles Langley Kincaid, >   a Miner died 28 May 1931 at the District Hospital > Daylesford aged 72 years, >   his parents are given as Thomas William Kincaid and > Elizabeth Kincaid >   formerly Rae. It shows Charles was buried on 30 May > 1931 at Daylesford >   cemetery and that he was born in Eganstown and had > lived in Victoria his >   whole life. His children are listed as Grace 39 > years, Alice 38 years, >   Myrtle 35 years, Clarice (deceased) and Arthur 29 > years. > >   Australian Electoral Roll's for the years 1914, 1924 > and 1928 detailing his >   address and family members. > >   Obituary;  (1) THE DAYLESFORD ADVOCATE Friday, > May 29, 1931 FUNERAL NOTICE >   KINCAID -The friends of the late Mr. Charles Langley > Kincaid are >   respectfully informed that his remains will be > interred in the Dayiesford >   Cemetery TOMORROW (Saturday) May 30. The Funeral is > appointed to leave the >   mortuary parlour of R. F. Verey at 1.30 pm. R. F. > Verey, Funeral Director. >   Phone 245. (2) THE DAYLESFORD ADVOCATE Tuesday 2 > June, 1931 OBITUARY CHARLES >   LANGLEY KINCAID The death occurred on Thursday > morning last, of Mr Charles >   Langley Kincaid, after a long illness, at the age of > 72 years. The late Mr. >   Kincaid was born in Eganstown district, and had > resided in this locality all >   his life. For many years he was connected to the > mining industry. Mrs. >   Kincaid and an adult family of three daughters and > one son survive to mourn >   their loss, one daughter having predeceased Mr. > Kincaid some years ago. The >   funeral took place on Saturday afternoon, and was > largely attended. The >   casket was carried by Messrs. M. Dickson, W. Spear, > W. Burnett >   (sons-in-law), C. Nelson (nephew), A. Dickson and J. > Dickson. Rev. S. D. >   Yarrington conducted the service at the graveside, > and the funeral >   arrangements were in the hands of Mr. R. F. Verey. > >   Grave; Grave C of E 4 C 6 In loving memory of > Charles Langley Kincaid, >   Elizabeth Kincaid, and Grace Cowling Dickson died 18 > Feb, 1982. > >   The personal knowledge of his grandson Bertram > Langley Kincaid, who has >   confirmed the above for me. >   > ______________________________________________________________ > >   Thomas William Kincaid b.2 August 1823 Cape of Good > Hope, South Africa m (i) >   Elizabeth Catherine Barrett on 18 May 1845 Stepney > London (certificate >   available). Elizabeth Catherine Barratt died 13 > March 1850. This marriage >   produced one child, Thomas Hardie Kincaid b. 16 > February 1849 (certificate >   available) Rotherhithe England and died 3 February > 1929 at Rotherhithe >   London UK. > >   Thomas William Kincaid b.2 August 1823 Cape of Good > Hope, South Africa m >   (ii) Eliza Rae on 16 Nov 1850 Victoria Australia > >   Son of Charles Kincaid and Hillegonda Sophia Row. > >   Proven by; > >   Beaufort West, South Africa Baptism register on > microfilm number 5-39, >   "Child Thomas William born 2 August 1823, baptised > 17 August 1823. Parents >   Charles Kincaid, Hilegonda [sic] Sophia Roow [sic]. > Witnesses Joseph >   Cleaver, Susanna Frederica Roow [sic], Willem > Roow[sic], Anna Roow[sic]". >   (photograph of document  ordered from GISA and > available November 2010). > >   Beaufort West South Africa Baptism record, born 2 > August 1823, baptised 17 >   August 1823 as per the SA Genealogies by Lombard > & Hesse, page 277 (this >   record purchased from  GISA,  Genealogy > Institute of South Africa) and also >   provided by contact with  Joy Roy (a descendant > of Thomas William Kincaid >   and professional  researcher), Heather > McAllister and Tessa King >   (Administrators for  Ancestry24.com). > >   Details taken from the - UK Marriage record for > Thomas William Kincaid (of >   full age, a Mariner Chief Officer - son of Charles > Kincaid, a sadler) to >   Elizabeth Catherine Barratt  (with consent of > parents) on 18 May 1845 at St >   Thomas' Church Stepney UK, witnessed by William > Brown & Sophia Barratt (copy >   available). > >   Taken from the  - UK Birth record (copy > available) of Thomas Hardie Kincaid >   16 February 1849, father given as Thomas William > Kincaid (Master Mariner) >   mother as Elizabeth Catherine Kincaid formerly > Barratt. > >   Taken from the - Australian Death record #14665 > (copy on available) 14 >   December 1903 at Leonards Hill Victoria Australia, > Thomas William Kincaid >   aged 80 years. His father was recorded as John > Kincaid, profession unknown, >   information on this record was detailed as being > provided by his son John >   Rae Kincaid. He was buried on 16 December 1903 at > Eganstown Public cemetery, >   and shows he had lived 50 years in Victoria. Place > of birth given as Cape >   Town, Cape Colony South Africa, married to Eliza Rae > (not living).  The >   children of Thomas William Kincaid are listed as > Charles 44 years, Janet 42 >   years, John 40 years, Margaret 38 years, Annie 36 > years, Isabella 34 years, >   Eliza 32 years, Thomas William 30 years and Alconda > (deceased). > >   The Australian birth records (copies available) for > the Children of Thomas >   William Kincaid & Eliza Rae for Charles Langley > 1859, John Rae 1863, Annie >   Eliza 1868, Elizabeth 1873, Thomas William 1875 all > detailing the father and >   his place of birth as The cape of Good Hope. > >   The birth certificate's for Thomas William Kincaid's > children;  John Rae >   Kincaid in 1863 details Thomas William Kincaid & > Eliza Rae married in >   Melbourne 1851.  On Annie Eliza's record it > details 'Melbourne', on >   Elizabeth's as  16 November 1850 and on Thomas' > 1875 birth record as 26 >   November 1850. > >   Australian death record (copy available) for > daughter Alconda Kincaid aged >   14 years 27 May 1870 in Eganstown details her > parents as Thomas William >   Kincaid and Eliza Kincaid, and that Alconda was born > in Newstead, Melbourne >   Victoria Australia. > >   The Australian marriage certificate for daughter > Janet Hardie Kincaid (copy >   available) 25 October 1887 shows her parents as > Thomas William Kincaid and >   Eliza Kincaid nee Rae, on her death record in 1933 > (copy available) her >   parents were given as John Kincaid (a Miner) and > Eliza Kincaid formerly Rae >   as provided by S Brown, authorised agent > >   When youngest son Thomas William Kincaid died in > 1959 at aged 84 his parents >   were listed as unknown. > >   Australian 1903 Electoral Roll showing Thomas > William Kincaid living at >   Leonards Hill Victoria, occupation Miner. >   Australian Rate Books - Mt Franklin Victoria from > 1872 - 1902 > >   Australian Newspaper Archive - Daylesford Advocate > Thursday 17 December 1903 >   - The late Mr Kincaid; The remains of Mr T W Kincaid > were interred in the >   Eganstown Public Cemetery yesterday. The funeral > started from his late >   residence at Leonard's Hill and comprised of > mourners in eight conveyances >   and seven horsemen. The bearers were Messers Kramer, > Aldridge, McKidrew (2), >   Ladigus and Blackwell, Mr Taylor read the burial > service. Messer's Verey >   Bros had charge of the mortuary arrangements. >   > _____________________________________________________ > >   Charles Kincaid b.3 May 1791 m (i) Hillegonda Sophia > Row on 3 August 1818 >   Cape of Good Hope (Hillegonda born 1800, died 4 > February 1831). > >   Charles Kincaid b.3 May 1791 m (ii) Christina > Johanna Marian Sporkman, widow >   of John Herbert 12 October 1846 Cape of Good Hope > (copy available). > >   Son of John Kincaid and Margaret Gaff > >   Proven by; > >   Scottish OPR record 487/0010 0356 (copy on > available) detailing "John >   Kincaid and Margaret Gaff, their son named Charles > was born 3 May 1791 and >   baptised 8 May, witness' Thomas Kincaid and John > Gibb". > >   Website - Old Polmont Church (note - please note > that not all details on >   this website are accurate eg Sir John Kincaid given > as never married, he in >   fact married Louisa Frisbee  a month before his > death). refer >   www.polmontold.org.uk/hist1845part06.html > >   >From the list of passengers arriving in South > Africa on board the Ship 'The >   Brilliant' in 1817, Charles Kincaid was part of a > group of Scottish Artisans >   organised by Benjamin Moodie. > >   >From the Book - British Residents at the Cape > 1795-1819, by David Phillip >   page 222, in part reads - "Kincaid, Charles, saddler > single arrived 4 June >   1817 Table Bay, in Brilliant ex Downs under Moodies > direction. 2 August 1817 >   has commenced business (saddle, cap and harness > maker). 3 August 1818 >   marriage of CK of Falkirk, Stirling aged 27 to > Hillegonda Sophia d,o, Robt. >   Row aged 18. 6 June 1819 baptised their son John > Robert. 18 March 1821 >   baptised of their son Charles Langley". > >   >From the National Archives of South Africa - in > 1818 'memorials received, >   Charles Kincaid requesting permission to remain in > the Colony. > >   >From the National Archives of South Africa - > Charles Kincaid aged 27, >   birthplace Falkirk Stirling married at The English > Church to Hillegonda >   Sophia Row aged 18 born at The Cape on 3 August 1818 > as published in The >   Capetown Gazette. > >   Marriage certificate (copy available) Charles > Kincaid (widower, occupation >   Sadler) married in Paarl South Africa to Christina > Johanna Maria Sporkman >   (widow). > >   Death certificate #2505 (copy available) Charles > Kincaid born in Scotland, >   married died on 5 March 1866.  Lists the > children of his 2nds wife's >   previous marriage and John Robert Kincaid as son > with Hillegonda Sophia. > >   >From the National Archives of South Africa - > Charles Kincaid will filed >   1866. > >   >From the South African Commercial Advisor - (1) > 1826, a daughter of Mr C >   Kincaid baptised Jessy, (2) 1829 a son of Mr Charles > Kincaid baptised >   Alexander Row, (3) 1831 February 4, Sophia Kincaid > wife of Mr C Kincaid died >   aged 30 years and 6 months. > >   Reference; book - "This I'll Defend, The Story of > the Kincaid's by Bill >   Kincaid" > >   Reference; pamphlet obtained in full from The > National Archives of South >   Africa "The Kincaid Family in South Africa" by JJ > Scheepers and confirmed by >   Leonard Kincaid who resides in South Africa son of > Joy Scheepers & Donald >   Kincaid descendants of John Robert Kincaid b.1819 at > the Cape of Good Hope. > >   > _________________________________________________________________ > >   John Kincaid b.10 June 1762 Polmont Stirlingshire > Scotland m Margaret Gaff >   (marriage on OPR's shows 20 Nov 1784 Bothkennar > & 16 Dec 1784 as the >   Proclamation Polmont for both parties) > >   Son of Thomas Kincaid and Elizabeth Chiesly > (Cheesley) > >   Proven by; > >   Scottish OPR Baptism record 487/0010 0084 13 June > 1762, "Thomas Kincaid & >   Elizabeth Chiesly their son named John was born 10 > June and baptised 13 >   June, witness' Alexander and Robert Kincaid and John > Clark". (Copy >   Available) > >   Scottish OPR marriage record 473/000010/0260 20th > November 1784 marriage >   bans, naming John Kincaid if Dalbeath. "(copy > available). > >   Falkirk Churchyard Grave 184, John Kincaid death 11 > February 1794 aged 33 >   years. > >   Reference; book - Mitchell, John Fowler.  > Monumental inscriptions (pre 1855) >   in East Stirlingshire.  Edinburgh: Scottish > Genealogy Society, 1972]. >   "John Kincaid, 1st son of Thos Kincaid & Eliz > Chislie, age 33, at >   Carronflats on 11 February 1794; John's wife, Margt > Gaff, age 85, on 5 >   February 1844; John's 1st son, Thos Kincaid, age 63, > at Glasgow on 31 >   December 1848; John's youngest son, Alex Kincaid, > age 17, having drowned by >   shipwreck on coast of Durham on 27 January 1806; > John's 2nd son, John >   Kincaid, 76, at Hastings on 23 April 1862, (having > entered the army in 1809 >   & served throughout the Peninsular war with > Rifle Brigade, knighted 1852, >   senior exon of HM Royal Bodyguard & for many > years  government inspector of >   prisons & factories for Scotland); John's (Margt > Gaff) only daughter, Margt >   Kincaid, age 71, widow of the late Peter Hardie, > merchant in Leith, on 6 >   October 1863; and John's 3rd son, Charles Kincaid, > age 73, at Pearl Cape of >   Good Hope on 5 March 1866" (Note - Information > provided by both Peter A >   Kincaid, Canada and also Ann Taylor, nee Kincaid > England UK and confirmed >   verbally that this Book available from the National > Library of Australia, >   Canberra Australia, copies of relevant extracts > pending). > >   Reference;  made available courtesy of Peter A > Kincaid, Canada. >   "John Kincaid, son of Thomas Kincaid, farmer, > Newlands, as heir to Alexander >   Chiesly, Tenant, Newlands, his grandfather, seised, > Oct. 18. 1788, -in part >   of Bothkennar called Dalbeith, with Ferry Boat & > fishing in Carron, & >   Teinds, par. Bothkennar; -on Pr. Chan. Oct. 7. > 1788.  P.R. 30. 184. >   [Abridgement of Sasines, Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. > 1, no. 1394.  Registered >   20 October 1788]". >   "John Kincaid of Dalbaith, as heir to Elizabeth > Chiesly, his mother, seised, >   Oct. 18. 1788, -in part of Bothkennar called > Dalbaith, with Ferry Boat, and >   Fishing in Carron, par. Bothkennar; -on Pr. Cl. Con. > by himself, Oct. 18. >   1788.  P.R. 30.185.  [Abridgement of > Sasines, Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. 1, >   no. 1395.  Registered 20 October 1788]". >   "John Kincaid of Dalbaith, gets Resig. ad Rem. Oct. > 18. 1788, -of part of >   Bothkennar called Dalbaith, with Ferry Boat, & > Fishing in Carron, par. >   Bothkennar; -on Proc. resig. by himself, Oct. 18. > 1788.  P.R. 30. 186. >   [Abridgement of Sasines, Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. > 1, no. 1396.  Registered >   20 October 1788]". >   "The Trustees of John Kincaid of Dalbaith, seised, > Mar. 22. 1800, -in an >   Oxengate of land of Bothkennar called Dalbaith with > the Ferry Boat and part >   of the fishing of the Water of Carron, and Teinds; > (&2 Oxengates of land of >   the lands of Bothkennar in warrandice), par. > Bothkennar; -under burden of >   £50 each to John, Alexander, and Charles Kincaid, > and 500 Merks Scots to >   Margaret Kincaid, younger children of the said John > Kincaid, &c; -on Disp. & >   Settlement by the said John Kincaid, & Margaret > Gaff, his spouse, Sept. 6. >   1793.  P.R. 36.35. [Abridgement of Sasines, > Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. 1, no. >   3904.  Registered 20 May 1800]". > >   Reference; book - "This I'll Defend, The Story of > the Kincaid's by Bill >   Kincaid" > >   Reference; Book - "Adventures of The Rifle Brigade" > by sibling Sir John >   Kincaid detailing his family, father John Kincaid. >   > ___________________________________________________________________ > >   Thomas Kincaid b. circa 1731 Falkirk Scotland m > Elizabeth Chiesly 12 July >   1761. > >   Son of (unknown - possible either of James Kincaid > & Janet Simson, or John >   Kincaid & Jean Kincaid) > >   Proven by; > >   Marriage record - Scottish OPR Marriage Ban > 479/00008 00237 10 July 1761 >   Falkirk, and Scottish OPR Marriage proclamation > Polmont 487/00002 0016 >   (copies available) this record names Thomas Kincaid > & Elizabeth Chielsy but >   neither of their  parents. > >   > _________________________________________________________________ > >   Other resources used; >   Ancestry.com record search for BDM records, Census > returns, travel records, >   Australian Electoral Rolls. >   Ancestry24.com for South African research re BDM's, > Wills and application to >   remain in the Colony. >   Ancestry.Co.ZA to view & purchase South African > death records. >   Scotslands People (www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk) > record search for OPR records >   re BDM's, Census & Wills. >   GISA (Genealogical Institute of South Africa) for > South African family >   history records. >   NAAIRS for South African records re BDM's, Wills and > application to remain >   in the Colony etc. >   Book - British Residents at The Cape 1795-1819 by > David Phillip. >   On-Line Book - Extracts of Marriages at The Cape of > Good Hope 1806-1821. >   On-Line Book - Extracts of Baptisms at The Cape of > Good Hope 1806-1821 >   192.com for UK contacts. >   Springvale Crematorium Records for confirming > Australian deaths. >   The Australian National Archives. >   The Australian National Library. >   The Victorian Government Public Records Office. >   The Victorian Registry of Birth, Deaths & > Marriages. >   The Daylesford Family History Society. >   The Australian WW2 Nominal Roll. >   The Kincaid family living in Australia. >   Trove - Australian newspapers on line. >   London newspaper archives on line. >   Edinburgh newspaper archives on line. >   The Genealogical Society of South Africa historical > newspapers on line. >   Google. > >   Note - Australia does not have census returns as > these are not archived >   after the government has collated the data it > requires. > >   > __________________________________________________________________________ > >   Footnote's - > >   John Kincaid & Margaret Gaff had 5 children; >   Son Thomas, a Merchant baptised 30 October 1785, > died 31 December 1848. >   Married Isabella Balloch 17 January 1818 and > produced 5 sons and 5 daughters >   per the OPR records. OPR & BDM records show that > 4 of the sons died without >   marrying, and John living in Lancashire unmarried > aged 60 yrs in 1881. >   Son John Kincaid baptised 29 July 1787, died 23 > April 1862. Married Louisa >   Frisbee 19 March 1862, no children. >   Son Alexander christened 7 June 1789, died in a > shipwreck 27 January 1806. >   Never married, no children. >   Son Charles as detailed above in vetting. >   Daughter Margaret christened 22 July 1795, died 6 > October 1863. Married >   Peter Hardie 8 March 1811 and produced 4 sons and 1 > daughter.  Both her >   son's Thomas Kincaid Hardie and John Hardie > travelled to Australia in search >   of gold. Thomas married Janet Hoyle in Victoria > 1848, returning to the UK to >   'live off his own means' as a 'retired Australian > Squatter'.  John married >   Elizabeth Hoyle in Victoria Australia 1841, this > couple also returned to the >   UK. > >   Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth Cheisly's son > Alexander b.1764 married Jean >   Clark.  This couple had 6 children, their son > Thomas b.1796 was 'Captain >   Thomas Kincaid - Shipmaster' who married Ann > Henderson. >   Two of Thomas & Ann's sons died overseas - > Alexander b.1839 died 1892 in >   Buenos Ayres and James b.1903 died in 1903 Patagonia > Argentina.  Their 2nd >   eldest of their son's , John George Kincaid  > born in 1840 founded J G >   Kincaid Shipping in Inverclyde.  John G Kincaid > married Margaret Grierson, >   their eldest son Thomas Lennox Kincaid b.1877 > travelled to Australia >   settling in NSW.  He married there in 1936 and > died in December 1940, (His >   death certificate is available).  His wife's > son by her 1st marriage, Hilton >   Grenville Marcuso who had links to the notorious > Kings Cross criminal >   underworld,  took the Kincaid surname, and died > in NSW Australia in 1975. > >   Hillegonda Sophia Row, wife of Charles Kincaid - was > born at The Cape of >   Good Hope in 1800 and dies at aged 31 on 4 February > 1831 as listed in the >   South African Commercial Adviser. >   Hillegonda was the daughter of Englishman Robert Row > and Helena Wilhelma >   Aspeling.  Helena & Robert married at The > Cape on 14 April 1800, she was the >   widow of Lambrecht Van der Woord and had two > children by him (Johanna Louise >   and Jan Christian). >   Helena and Robert had 3 other children; >   Susannah Frederika Row 1802 - 1831.  Susannah > married Joseph Cleaver (soap >   manufacturer) in 1823 at Beaufort West and this > couple were witness' to the >   marriage of Hillegonda & Charles Kincaid's son > Thomas William Kincaid's >   baptism at the Dutch Reformed Church in Beaufort > West August 1823. They had >   one child, a daughter Ann born in 1824 and died in > 1825.  Joseph Cleaver >   died in 1824. >   Johanna Margaretha Row 1802-1848.  Johanna > married Samuel Mollett in 1834. >   Robert James Row 1809-1839. >   Hillegonda's mother was Hillegonda Kotze also born > at The Cape of Good Hope >   as was her mother before her. It was Hillegonda Rows > Gr Gr grandparents that >   came to The Cape from Germany and The Nederland's, > and her grandfather Erik >   Aspeling from Sweden. > >   Charles Kincaid & Hillegonda Row's 1st born son > was John Robert Kincaid born >   1819.  He married Frances Dorothea Fison 10th > July 1846, and this couple had >   six children; >   Charles John Kincaid 5 Jan 1848 >   Thomas Henrik Herbert Kincaid 20 Apr 1851 - 29 June > 1923 (married Sarah >   Maria Holmes, and had six children, see below) >   Dorothea Christina Kincaid 11 Mar 1853 married > Richard Walton >   Alexander Frederick Kincaid 10 Apr 1855 >   Ellen Elizabeth Kincaid 18 Jan 1857 >   Elizabeth Harriette Kincaid 21 Mar 1860 > >   Thomas Hendrik Herbert and Sarah Maria Holmes went > on to have six children; >   Gertrude Frances Kincaid 16 Jul 1884 >   Percy Frederick Kincaid 11 Nov 1886 - 22 May 1967 > married (1) Alice Maud >   Poggenpoel, 2 children John b 15 May 1926 and Maud b > 28 Sep 1914 (2) Iris >   Alexandria Morkel, one son Charles Morkel Kincaid b > 22 Dec 1932. (Charles >   married Maria VanSchalkwyk and had 2 sons, John 15 > Jan 1963 and Paul in >   1965. >   Leonard Thomas Kincaid 25 Jan 1888 - 1965, married > Charlotte Augusta >   Gerhardt.  This couple had 3 children; > Gwendoline 28 Sep 1916 - 1956, Roland >   Kincaid b.1920 and Donald Kincaid 16 Aug 1929.  > Donald married Joy Scheepers >   and they had 3 children; Leonard, Gary & Mark > Kincaid. >   Mildred Constance Kincaid 10 Aug 1891 >   Charles Henry Kincaid 24 Sep 1894, married Enid > Audrey Holmes (Enid was born >   in Rockhampton Qld 4 May 1901) >   Gwendoline Jessie Holmes Kincaid 31 Oct 1897. > >   The information re John Robert Kincaid and his > descendants became available >   from a NAAIRS document 'The Kincaid family in South > Africa' and a list of >   Kincaid births and marriages purchased from > GISA.  Leonard Kincaid (son of >   Donald and Joy - see 3 above) who still resides in > South Africa, has >   confirmed all of the above for me also advising he > has 2 sons, Mark Douglas >   Kincaid and Luke Richard Kincaid who also reside in > South Africa. > >   Thomas Hardie Kincaid born 16 Feb 1849 to Thomas > William Kincaid and >   Elizabeth Catherine Barrett in Stepney, Ratcliff > County of Middlesex. His >   death certificate shows he died on 3 Feb 1829 in > Rotherhithe, County of >   London as witnessed by his daughter Julia > Charlotte  Howes, nee Kincaid. > >   I am unsure who actually raised Thomas Hardie > Kincaid after his mother died >   in 1850 and his father Thomas William Kincaid left > the UK to continue his >   travels and ultimately end up in Australia. Thomas > Hardie Kincaid is >   mentioned on only one of his ½ siblings Australian > birth records, and was >   not listed on his father's Australian death > certificate. > >   Thomas Hardie married Sarah Ann Drake in 1867, and > after her death married >   Elizabeth Abel in 1898. Thomas and Sarah had five > children; >   Julia Charlotte Kincaid 1868-1934 >   William Henry Brooks Kincaid 1870-1943 >   Sarah Catherine Kincaid 1873-1911 >   Eliza Elizabeth Kincaid 1878- >   Annie Brooks Kincaid 1883-1883 >   Thomas William Brooks Kincaid 1885 - (date of death > unconfirmed). Thomas >   married Alice May Springall and this couple had 6 > children, the youngest >   being Eric David Hardie Kincaid (children's > illustrator and Artist.  Eric >   also did the artwork for Bill Kincaid in his book, > This I'll Defend - The >   Story of the Kincaids).  These details have > been confirmed with Eric's >   daughter Ann Taylor (nee Kincaid) and his son David > Kincaid in the UK. > >   (Further details available if required). > >   Thankyou > > > > >   To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in > Excel: >    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xlsTo > join the DNA project, go > to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject > and the body of the message > >   To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in > Excel: >    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >   To join the DNA project, go to: >   > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > >   ------------------------------- >   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

We fully support vetting Amon Kincaid # 1255 to Sherod Kincaid. We would likely support vetting all the way to David Kinkead if all the info we have seen over the years is included. If Wood's is right in his book History of Albemarle County, and David is a brother of Joseph and James Kinkead, then the dna results also support Amon back to David. For now it will be good to have vetting to Sherod. Don W. Kincaid # 1427 ----- Original Message ----- From: Debra Griggs To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid My great grandfather James B Kincaid is buried in Oakland Cemetery,Atkins Arkansas.It was personal knowledge of my father Amon L Kincaid SR.that his grandfather died in 1918.My father lived in Atkins,Arkansas when his grandfather died from the flu epidemic. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:38:58 -0400 > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid > > Very little discussion because there was previously lots of > discussion and concerns expressed about the line and/or the > vetting process. As far as this latest post, I think the poster > should add their source for the date and place given for > James' death in 1918. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 1:49 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid > > > > > > > > > > MaryLou or anyone else, Does anyone have a problem with me marking Amon > > vetted to Sherod? > > There has been little discussion on this other than MaryLou's questions on > > the 1870 and 1880 census. The post was originally made almost a month ago. > > I > > can only assume that the lineage as given does not have a problem and will > > mark this line vetted to Sherod next week unless someone brings up a > > reason > > why this lineage should not be vetted. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > >> Vetting; Amon L Kincaid to Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes. > >> > >> Amon L Kincaid > >> DNA #1255 A-1b > >> Researcher: Debra Griggs (sister) > >> > >> Amon Luther Kincaid JR. b. 5 July 1948 Bakersfield, Kern Co, California > >> m. 28 June 1971 to Brenda Kay Adams Reno, Washoe Co, Nevada. > >> > >> > >> Son of Amon Luther Kincaid SR. and Dorothy Mae Joslin. > >> > >> Proven by; > >> Ca. Birth Certificate for Amon Luther Kincaid JR., date of birth, 5 July > >> 1948, county of Kern, Ca. > >> Naming his parents as Amon Luther Kincaid SR. age 37 birthplace Arkansas > >> and Dorothy Mae Joslin age 25 birthplace Arkansas. > >> > >> > >> Personal Knowledge; I have known Amon L Jr. all my life as son of my > >> father Amon L Sr. > >> _____________________________________ > >> Amon Luther Kincaid SR. b. 14 Oct 1910 Blackwell, Conway Co, Arkansas d. > >> 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California m. 20 February 1943 Little > >> Rock, Pulaski Co, Arkansas to Dorothy Mae Joslin. > >> > >> Son of George William Kincaid and Margaret Florence Roper. > >> > >> Proven by; > >> Ca. Death Certificate of Amon Luther Kincaid SR b.Oct 14 1910 Arkansas d. > >> 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California.Wife's name listed as Dorothy > >> Joslin.His parents are listed as George W Kincaid and Margaret F Roper. > >> > >> > >> 1920 Census, Lee Township, Pope Co. Arkansas > >> Kincaid George W 38yrs Arkansas > >> Florence wife 42yrs Arkansas > >> Lawson son 14yrs Arkansas > >> Opal daughter 12yrs Arkansas > >> Luther son 9yrs Arkansas > >> Kelly son 7yrs Arkansas > >> Nancy daughter 5yrs Arkansas > >> Mollie daughter 3yrs Arkansas > >> Dollie daughter 1 10/12yrs Arkansas > >> Cobb Emmett stepson 20yrs Arkansas > >> > >> > >> Personal Knowledge; I knew my aunts Nancy, Mollie and Dollie and my > >> uncles > >> Kelly and Emmett as my fathers sisters and brothers and children of > >> George > >> W Kincaid. > >> _______________________________________- > >> George William Kincaid b. 11 February 1882 Dardanelle, Yell Co. Arkansas > >> d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. m 12 Sept 1902 > >> Pontoon, Arkansas to Margaret F. Roper. > >> > >> Son of James Brookins Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats > >> > >> Proven by; > >> Ca. Death Certificate of George "Billy" William Kincaid b.11 Feb 1882 > >> Arkansas d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. His > >> parents are listed as James B Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats. > >> > >> Family History: It was told by my father that his father George W Kincaid > >> aquired his nickname Billie from his uncle William J Kincaid, he gave him > >> the nickname "Billie" because he would play with the "Billie Goats" on > >> the > >> farm. William J Kincaid appears with Sherod on the 1850 & 1860 census. > >> > >> WWII Draft Reg. Card lists Billie Kincaid, Place of Res: 713 Abeles > >> Little > >> Rock, Pulaski Co. Arkansas, Mailing address: Water's Grocery 820 Abeles > >> Little Rock, Arkansas. Age: 60 Place of Birth: Perry Co. Arkansas. Date > >> of > >> birth: Feb 11 1882. Name of person who will always know your address. > >> K.O. > >> Kincaid 820 Abeles Little Rock, Arkansas. Employers name and address: > >> unemployed - works at home. > >> > >> Although my grandfathers WWII Draft Reg.Card lists him born in Perry Co. > >> Arkansas, my brother Amon L Kincaid has stated to me that our grandfather > >> George William Kincaid told him he was born in Dardanelle, Arkansas which > >> is in Yell County. > >> > >> WWI Draft Reg. Card lists George William Kincaid address: Rt 3 Atkins, > >> Pope Co. Arkansas. Age: 36. Date of birth: Feb 11 1882. Race: White. > >> Occupation: farmer, self employed. Place of employment: Atkins, Arkansas. > >> Nearest Relative: Mrs Florence Kincaid Rt 3 Atkins, Arkansas. Date of > >> Registration: Sept 12 1918 > >> > >> 1910 Census Wilson Township,Yell Co.Arkansas > >> 43 43 Kincaid George W Head 28yrs Arkansas > >> Florence M wife 31yrs Arkansas > >> Lawson W son 5yrs Arkansas > >> Opal E dau 3yrs Arkansas > >> James A son 1 4/12yrs Arkansas > >> Cobb O Emmett stepson 10yrs Arkansas > >> Roper George W father in law 70yrs Arkansas > >> Kelley Homer hired man 18yrs Missouri > >> > >> 44 44 Kincaid James B Head 50 Arkansas > >> Frankie J wife 51 years Arkansas > >> Ethel dau 15 years Arkansas > >> James A 11 years Arkansas > >> 45 Ham, Samuel Kelly son in law 26yrs Missouri > >> Samuel James grandson 2yrs Arkansas > >> 46 Franks, David son in law 20 yrs Oklahoma > >> Ora daughter 18yrs Arkansas > >> Frankie J grand daughter 11/12 Arkansas > >> [note: This is one household. Maudy Kincaid Ham died in March, a month > >> before this census.] > >> > >> 1900 Census Wilson Township, Yell Co. Arkansas > >> Kincaid John B (sic James B) 45 yrs Arkansas > >> Frankie J wife 42yrs Arkansas > >> George W son 18yrs Arkansas > >> Maudie daughter 15yrs Arkansas > >> Eliza daughter 13yrs Arkansas > >> Charles O son 11yrs Arkansas > >> Ora E daughter 8yrs Arkansas > >> Mary E daughter 4yrs Arkansas > >> James A son 1yrs Arkansas > >> > >> Note; > >> James Andrew Kincaid b. 11 November 1898 was the youngest son of James B > >> Kincaid and Frankie J Coats, his WWI Draft Reg. Card lists him as: James > >> Andrew Kincaid age 21. Address: Palarm, Faulkner Co. Ark. Date of birth: > >> Nov 12 1897(?). Where born: Yell Co, Arkansas. Fathers birthplace: Newton > >> Co. Arkansas. Name of employer. R E Dent. Place of employment: Palarm, > >> Arkansas.Name of nearest relative: James Kincaid Rt 4 Box 99 Atkins, > >> Arkansas. Date of Registration August 24 1918. James Andrew Kincaid d. 24 > >> Dec 1929 Kerr Co, Texas, his death certificate lists his parents as James > >> B Kincaid and Frankie J Colts (sic, Coats). > >> _____________________ > >> James Brookins Kincaid b. Oct 1858 Newton Co, Arkansas d. 8 Sept 1918 > >> Atkins, Pope Co, Arkansas m.abt 1881 Yell Co. Arkansas to Frankie Jane > >> Coats. > >> > >> Son of Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes > >> > >> I have not found a 1880 census for James B Kincaid. > >> > >> Proven By > >> Family History; > >> It was told to me by my father Amon L Kincaid Sr. that his grandfather > >> James B Kincaid's parents were murdered when he was just a young child > >> and > >> that James had lived in the Boston Mountains as a young boy. James B > >> Kincaid told his son George William Kincaid of the tragedy of his parents > >> and it was passed down from George William Kincaid to my father Amon L > >> Kincaid Sr. My father told me that he was told that his grandfather had > >> hid in the bushes and watched while his parents were murdered. My father > >> said that it was believed to have happened during or after the Civil War. > >> I was also told that the eldest son or sons had went off to the war. It > >> was written in a family Bible of my dad's cousin (Samuel James Hamm, s/o > >> Maudy Kincaid sister of George W Kincaid) and it states as told to him by > >> his uncles and aunts that James B Kincaid was then taken to Indian > >> Territory by uncle Hughes (brother of Tom Hughes) and McGee. My uncle > >> Kelly O Kincaid told the family on a visit to him in J! > >> uly 1987 that their grandfather James B Kincaid's mother's last name was > >> Hughes. > >> [note: see 1910 census above for James B Kincaid with Samuel James Ham in > >> his household] > >> > >> > >> Conditions in Arkansas from the Encyclopedia of Arkansas History & > >> Culture > >> (on line) http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net > >> > >> Flu Epidemic 1918;James B Kincaid died during the flu epidemic.Arkansas > >> was hard hit with over 7,000 recorded deaths.It is believed that > >> additional deaths in the rural areas went unrecorded.Doctors and funeral > >> parlors were swamped so some rural victims were without any official > >> notification.In Nov 1918 the state was placed under quarantine for > >> several > >> months.James B was listed as a farmer in the 1910 census. His address as > >> given by his son on August 24 1918 was Rte 4 Box 99 Atkins,Arkansas > >> (Pope,Co.) efforts to find a death certificate or funeral record for > >> James > >> B Kincaid have not been fruitful. > >> > >> Civil War: Arkansas succeeded from the Union in 1861. By 1862 "Dozens of > >> county & local governments ceased to function as judges, sheriffs, clerks > >> and office holders fled or failed to carry out their duties."The towns in > >> the northern portion were under Union control by 1863 but "In large areas > >> food and other necessities were in short supply...where neither army held > >> sway the last remnants of civil government and the rule of law disappears > >> and guerilla fighters roamed the countryside.The last Confederate General > >> commissioned guerilla forces to roam the country with orders to harass > >> Union troops and cut the supply lines. Some groups did just that, others > >> used the commission to harass, kill and rob both Union and Confederate > >> sympathizers. These groups were known as bushwhackers.They were > >> particulary active in the NW corner where the limestone caves made good > >> hiding places. Union troops passed through Newton Co. in March of 1863 > >> and > >> burned the courthouse (the courthouse was bur! > >> ned again in 1938) By Sept 10 1863 they had captured Little Rock.The > >> Arkansas Democrat Gazette (the paper of record for Arkansas) ceased > >> publication until May 1865.The only paper published continuously during > >> the Civil War was the Washington Telegraph, a confederate paper in the SW > >> corner of Arkansas.The internet has other anecdotal stories passed down > >> through families about ancestors killed by bushwhackers in Newton County. > >> > >> All counties given are close together in the NW corner of Arkansas. > >> > >> Sherod and Jane Kincaid do not appear on the 1870 Federal Census. Sherod > >> does not appear in the 1870 mortality schedule. > >> > >> Below is a summary of where the children listed in the 1860 census of > >> Sherod were in the 1870 census.The Bible record of my dad's cousin > >> (Samuel > >> James Hamm) states that James B Kincaid was taken to Indian Territory to > >> live with relatives. I did not find Cinthia Ann until the 1880 census, > >> married and living in Ward Township, Yell Co. Arkansas. I presume that > >> Cinthia was taken to the Indian Territory as well. I was not able to > >> locate James B Kincaid on the 1880 census. > >> > >> Joseph P Kincaid enlisted in the Union Forces of (Co.D 2nd Arkansas > >> Calvary) in Jasper, Newton Co.Arkansas on Oct 15 1863 age 18 b. Johnson > >> Co. Arkansas > >> > >> William J Kincaid age 22 b. Arkansas in 1870 Census is enumerated in > >> Dardanelle Township, Yell Co. Arkansas in the household of Charles B > >> Mitchell. > >> > >> George A Kincaid age 20 b. Ark in 1870 Census is enumerated in Clark > >> Township, Pope Co. Arkansas in the household of Samuel Rye. > >> > >> Cinthia Ann Kincaid b. May 2 1855 Arkansas d.May 14 1916 Ola,Yell Co. > >> Arkansas m. abt 1878 Yell/Perry Co. Arkansas to James K McGhee. My Aunt > >> Nancy (Amon L Kincaid's sister) had a large trunk of old family photos > >> that was left to her by her father George W Kincaid (son of James B) > >> among > >> the photos was a photo of a baby and the writing on the back of the photo > >> stated "Cinthia Ann, Papa's Sister." > >> > >> John H Kincaid age 13 b.Arkansas in 1870 is enumerated in Newton,Taney > >> Co. > >> Missouri in the household of Houston Hughes. > >> > >> There are family photos of William J Kincaid and George A Kincaid....and > >> also of my great grandfather James B Kincaid. > >> > >> 1860 Census Union Township, Newton Co.Arkansas > >> Kingcade Sherod 39yrs Tenn > >> Jane 26 yrs Alabama > >> Williams Wiley 22yrs Farmhand Tenn > >> Joseph P 14yrs Arkansas > >> William J 13yrs Arkansas > >> George A 12yrs Arkansas > >> Cinthia A 6yrs Arkansas > >> John H 3 yrs Arkansas > >> James B 2 yrs Arkansas > >> > >> Land Record; No.8531 Land Office at Fayetteville, Dec 30 1856. John > >> Hughes > >> of Newton Co, State of Arkansas, on this day purchased of the register of > >> this office, the lot or South West Quarter of the North East Quarter of > >> Section No.Twenty Four in Township No.Thirteen North of Range No.Twenty > >> Two West containing forty acres at the rate of $1.00 per acre. [This land > >> is just below the town of Limestone in the Boston Mts. section of the > >> Ozark National Forest. It is a few miles north of the border with Johnson > >> Co.] > >> > >> Sherod A Kincaid farmed and payed taxes on the above property. > >> > >> Property Tax Records; From the Arkansas History Commission > >> Sherod A Kincaid paid property tax from 1860-1861 in Newton Co.Arkansas > >> on > >> this property; > >> Township=13N SW 1/4 OF THE NE 1/4 > >> Section=24 Located near the town of > >> Range=22W Limestone,Arkansas > >> Sherod A Kincaid payed personal property tax in Newton Co.Arkansas from > >> 1857-1859. He was not charged for the acreage on these taxes. > >> > >> Newton County tax records start again in 1871. > >> > >> John Hughes bought property in Johnson Co. Arkansas in Township 11N > >> Section 10 Range 21W in March 1860.This area is south of the above > >> property. > >> > >> 1860 Census Pilot Rock, Johnson Co. Arkansas > >> Hughes John 32 yrs Alabama > >> Cynthia 26 yrs Missouri > >> John 10 yrs Arkansas > >> Margaret 6 yrs Arkansas > >> Houston 4 yrs Arkansas > >> Thomas 2 yrs Arkansas > >> > >> 1850 Census Perry Co.Arkansas > >> Hughes John 23 yrs Tenn [sic other census years lists Alabama] > >> Cynthia E 15yrs Missouri > >> Houston 21 Tenn [sic: other census years lists Alabama] > >> > >> Arkansas Marriage Records; Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes m. 16 Jan 1853 > >> Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas, marriage solomized by George Horner > >> minister > >> of the gospel of the Baptist Faith. Can be found at > >> Familysearch.org/record search, indexed as Sherwood King, but the actual > >> record says Sherwood King Cade and Jane Huse. > >> > >> 1850 Census Boston Township, Franklin Co. Arkansas > >> Kincade Sherod 29yrs Tenn > >> Eliza 25yrs Alabama > >> Joseph P 4yrs Arkansas > >> William J 3yrs Arkansas > >> George A 3/12 Arkansas > >> Jane Hughs 17yrs Alabama > >> > >> Summary: > >> The 1850 & 1860 censuses do not list relationship to head of household > >> and > >> there was turbulence during the time Sherod died so any recording of his > >> death or probate procedings is unlikely, especially since the courthouse > >> where such data would be stored burned down. The likelihood of obtaining > >> direct proof that James A was the son of Sherod and Jane Hughs is very > >> low > >> because the required records were never made or have not survived. By > >> combining family lore passed down in a position to have known the > >> principles, labeled family photographs, DNA and what records do still > >> exist, it is believed that enough evidence has been gathered to show that > >> James B., father of George W. was born in Newton Co. AR, to a man named > >> Kincaid with a wife whose maiden name has been passed down as Hughs. That > >> James B. had a sister named Cinthia Ann and a close relationship to other > >> children listed in the 1860 census of Sherod Kincaid. That Sherod lived > >> in > >> the Boston Mts. where James B is purported to! > >> have lived as a child, married a woman named Hughs and has 2 censuses > >> consistent with a nuclear family which includes James B born circa 1858. > >> Sherod disappears from all records during a time period consistent with > >> family lore. The children living in his 1860 household appear either on > >> their own or in scattered households which is consistent with the death > >> of > >> their parents between the 2 censuses. While additional records would be > >> welcome, the consistency of lore and those records found are believed > >> sufficient to prove relationship. > >> > >> ____________________________________________ > >> Sherod Kincaid b. abt 1821Tennessee d. bet 1862 - 1870 Newton Co, > >> Arkansas > >> m 1st Eliza m 2nd 16 Jan 1853 Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas to Jane > >> Hughes. > >> > >> Son of unproven > >> [note: the following is provided as a starting point for further research > >> and is not meant to indicate a vettible relationship] > >> > >> Likely parents; Joseph Kincaid and Elizabeth (unknown) > >> > >> What is known; > >> [note: Newton, Madison and Johnson Counties Arkansas are contingent. > >> Franklin Co is contingent with Madison and Johnson Cos. Pope and Yell > >> Counties are contingent south of Johnson Co. The following censuses > >> establish the ages and birth places of Elizabeth's children for > >> comparison > >> to Joseph's censuses which follow] > >> > >> 1850 Census Boston, Franklin Co, Arkansas > >> Kincade Elizabeth 54yrs NC > >> Joseph L 20yrs Tennessee > >> Nancy A 16yrs Alabama > >> Elizabeth 15yrs Alabama > >> William G W 11yrs Alabama > >> [note: Sherod is in 1850 census above living next door] > >> > >> Taylor Co,Texas August 24 1904 issue of the Abilene Reporter, Death > >> notice for William George Washington Kincaid, died at his home near > >> Buffalo Gap, Texas on August 22 1904.It states that he was a native of > >> Alabama and moved with his parents to Arkansas when he was three years > >> old. He went to Texas in 1860 and from there he enlisted in the > >> Confederate Army. After the war he married Miss Annie Elizabeth Clark in > >> 1867. Mrs Kincaid, the widow, and ten children survive. Eulogy published > >> in the May 1905 issue of "The Confederate Veteran Magazine". Letters from > >> Margaret Street, granddaughter of William through his daughter Lula Clark > >> Kincaid and Marshal Ray Street, say William was born in Larkinsville, > >> Alabama. His tombstone has engraved on it (born) March 6 1839. > >> > >> > >> > >> 1880 Census Coryell Co, Texas > >> Kincaide W. G. W. 42yrs Alabama Ky NC > >> A.E. 29yrs Tenn > >> W.L.D. 12yrs Texas > >> E.O. 10yrs Texas > >> J.L. 8yrs Texas > >> M.M. 6yrs Texas > >> A.E. 3yrs Texas > >> O.G. 1yrs Texas > >> McMillan S.C. 56yrs sister Tenn Ky NC > >> > >> 1850 Census Spadra, Johnson Co, Arkansas > >> McMillan Edward A 38yrs North Carolina > >> Sarah C 24yrs Alabama (sic, other census list Tenn) > >> Amanda J 8yrs Tenn > >> Eliza A 2yrs Arkansas > >> (Johnson Co.is next to Franklin & Newton Co.) > >> > >> Sarah C McMillan's daughter Eliza A McMillan m.17 Sept 1872 Dover, Pope > >> Co, Arkansas to Alvin Dean Raulston. Alvin's daughter Mary E Raulston m.8 > >> March 1871 Yell Co, Arkansas to William J Kincaid son of Sherod Kincaid > >> and Eliza.. > >> > >> Eliza A McMillan's Family Bible Record lists her mother Sarah C McMillan > >> b.1824 Alabama. > >> > >> Note; > >> Larkinsville is in Jackson Co, Alabama.In 1830 there is a James > >> Kincaid,1m > >> 20-30,1m under 5,1f 20-30,1f 5-10. He appears along with Joseph Kincaid > >> enumerated on the same page. > >> > >> Tax Record; There is a tax record for Joseph Kincaid for 1842, Madison > >> Co, > >> Arkansas. > >> > >> 1840 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > >> Joseph Kincade > >> males:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> females:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 10-15, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> > >> [for comparison: > >> Joseph (deceased 1850), Sherod b 1820-1 TN, Joseph b 1830 TN, William G W > >> b 1839 ALA > >> Elizabeth b 1796 NC, Sarah b 1824 TN or ALA, (missing daughter), Nancy b > >> 1834 ALA, Elizabeth b 1835 ALA.] > >> > >> 1830 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > >> Joseph Kincaid > >> males: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> female: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> _______________________________ > >> Joseph Kincaid b 1794-1800 KY d.bet 1843-1850 Arkansas m.abt 1820 > >> Elizabeth (unknown) > >> > >> Son of: unproven > >> Likely parents: Hobson Kincaid and Sarah McClure > >> > >> What is known: > >> > >> 1820 Census Franklin Co, TN (only other Kincaid in County) > >> Hopson Kingcade 1m 45+, 1m 26-45, 2m 16-26, 1m 10-16, 1f 45+, 1f 16-26, > >> 1f > >> 10-16 > >> > >> Hopson is listed on the 1792 Clark Co. KY tax lists. > >> > >> Hobson Kincaid was the son of John Kincaid and Elizabeth Logan and > >> grandson of David Kincaid and Winifred Hobson of Albemarle Co. VA. The > >> Family Bible that was given to Elizabeth Logan Kincaid in 1756 by her > >> father (sic, father-in-law) David Kincaid, lists Hobson's birth as Nov. > >> 24 > >> 1763. > >> > >> There is strong circumstancial reason to believe that dna participant > >> 28835 is a des.of John/Elizabeth Logan's son Robert. Amon's DNA matches > >> #28835's DNA at all but 1 marker. The match includes 2 significant > >> mutations. The 1st, a 12 at marker 26 (DYS 460) places them in A-1b along > >> with a descendent of Joseph Kincaid of Albemarle Co. VA, possible brother > >> to David. The 2nd, an 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391), is unique in A-1b. The > >> unmatched results show a step up and a step down from the group A AVV at > >> volitile marker 34 (CDYa). > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In September 2008, there were several posts to the Kincaid List about James Kincaid, 3rd son of John Kincaid of Kincaid. We are in the process of looking for additional information on James and his 2 sons. In addition to the 1820 census information Peter & Barbara provided, we have found that a James Kincaid went through the Naturalization process in District of Columbia, Jan 31, 1820 according to the NARA index. We suspect this is the James, son of John. We also found a James Kincaid on the Passenger & Immigration Lists Index for the year 1807. We found this 1807 immigration info on 4 different indexes and believe this is the James, son of John Kincaid of Kincaid but to verify this I am hoping some Kincaid List member will have one of the books that have the indexes to see if there is any additional info. One is entitled Directory of Scottish Settlers in North America 1625-1825 by David Dobson. Another book is Ship Passenger Lists, the South (1538-1825) by Carl Boyer. Another is New World Immigrants: A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists and Associated Data from Periodical Literature by Michael Tepper. The last one is Donald Whytes A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to the USA, Vol. 1 We also found the same death date for James Kincaid, son of John as June 10, 1827 and as a resident of Georgetown. We also found another James Kincaid for the year 1798 in Kenneth Scott's Resident Aliens Enabled to Hold Land in New York State, 1790-1825 which might be of interest to someone. Another interesting tidbit was found about Charles E. Kincaid, one time Sec. to the Governor of KY and later news reporter who shot and killed a congressman but was never charged since it was determined to be self defense. On Sept. 3rd, 1884 Charles was granted a passport. Charles is from my line and apparently was quite a character according to the stories on him. I suspect there may be some Congressmen today who might want to kill the news reporters who report on their shady dealings! We have several new prospects for the dna tests and one new participant. Don

My great grandfather James B Kincaid is buried in Oakland Cemetery,Atkins Arkansas.It was personal knowledge of my father Amon L Kincaid SR.that his grandfather died in 1918.My father lived in Atkins,Arkansas when his grandfather died from the flu epidemic. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:38:58 -0400 > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid > > Very little discussion because there was previously lots of > discussion and concerns expressed about the line and/or the > vetting process. As far as this latest post, I think the poster > should add their source for the date and place given for > James' death in 1918. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 1:49 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid > > > > > > > > > > MaryLou or anyone else, Does anyone have a problem with me marking Amon > > vetted to Sherod? > > There has been little discussion on this other than MaryLou's questions on > > the 1870 and 1880 census. The post was originally made almost a month ago. > > I > > can only assume that the lineage as given does not have a problem and will > > mark this line vetted to Sherod next week unless someone brings up a > > reason > > why this lineage should not be vetted. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > >> Vetting; Amon L Kincaid to Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes. > >> > >> Amon L Kincaid > >> DNA #1255 A-1b > >> Researcher: Debra Griggs (sister) > >> > >> Amon Luther Kincaid JR. b. 5 July 1948 Bakersfield, Kern Co, California > >> m. 28 June 1971 to Brenda Kay Adams Reno, Washoe Co, Nevada. > >> > >> > >> Son of Amon Luther Kincaid SR. and Dorothy Mae Joslin. > >> > >> Proven by; > >> Ca. Birth Certificate for Amon Luther Kincaid JR., date of birth, 5 July > >> 1948, county of Kern, Ca. > >> Naming his parents as Amon Luther Kincaid SR. age 37 birthplace Arkansas > >> and Dorothy Mae Joslin age 25 birthplace Arkansas. > >> > >> > >> Personal Knowledge; I have known Amon L Jr. all my life as son of my > >> father Amon L Sr. > >> _____________________________________ > >> Amon Luther Kincaid SR. b. 14 Oct 1910 Blackwell, Conway Co, Arkansas d. > >> 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California m. 20 February 1943 Little > >> Rock, Pulaski Co, Arkansas to Dorothy Mae Joslin. > >> > >> Son of George William Kincaid and Margaret Florence Roper. > >> > >> Proven by; > >> Ca. Death Certificate of Amon Luther Kincaid SR b.Oct 14 1910 Arkansas d. > >> 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California.Wife's name listed as Dorothy > >> Joslin.His parents are listed as George W Kincaid and Margaret F Roper. > >> > >> > >> 1920 Census, Lee Township, Pope Co. Arkansas > >> Kincaid George W 38yrs Arkansas > >> Florence wife 42yrs Arkansas > >> Lawson son 14yrs Arkansas > >> Opal daughter 12yrs Arkansas > >> Luther son 9yrs Arkansas > >> Kelly son 7yrs Arkansas > >> Nancy daughter 5yrs Arkansas > >> Mollie daughter 3yrs Arkansas > >> Dollie daughter 1 10/12yrs Arkansas > >> Cobb Emmett stepson 20yrs Arkansas > >> > >> > >> Personal Knowledge; I knew my aunts Nancy, Mollie and Dollie and my > >> uncles > >> Kelly and Emmett as my fathers sisters and brothers and children of > >> George > >> W Kincaid. > >> _______________________________________- > >> George William Kincaid b. 11 February 1882 Dardanelle, Yell Co. Arkansas > >> d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. m 12 Sept 1902 > >> Pontoon, Arkansas to Margaret F. Roper. > >> > >> Son of James Brookins Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats > >> > >> Proven by; > >> Ca. Death Certificate of George "Billy" William Kincaid b.11 Feb 1882 > >> Arkansas d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. His > >> parents are listed as James B Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats. > >> > >> Family History: It was told by my father that his father George W Kincaid > >> aquired his nickname Billie from his uncle William J Kincaid, he gave him > >> the nickname "Billie" because he would play with the "Billie Goats" on > >> the > >> farm. William J Kincaid appears with Sherod on the 1850 & 1860 census. > >> > >> WWII Draft Reg. Card lists Billie Kincaid, Place of Res: 713 Abeles > >> Little > >> Rock, Pulaski Co. Arkansas, Mailing address: Water's Grocery 820 Abeles > >> Little Rock, Arkansas. Age: 60 Place of Birth: Perry Co. Arkansas. Date > >> of > >> birth: Feb 11 1882. Name of person who will always know your address. > >> K.O. > >> Kincaid 820 Abeles Little Rock, Arkansas. Employers name and address: > >> unemployed - works at home. > >> > >> Although my grandfathers WWII Draft Reg.Card lists him born in Perry Co. > >> Arkansas, my brother Amon L Kincaid has stated to me that our grandfather > >> George William Kincaid told him he was born in Dardanelle, Arkansas which > >> is in Yell County. > >> > >> WWI Draft Reg. Card lists George William Kincaid address: Rt 3 Atkins, > >> Pope Co. Arkansas. Age: 36. Date of birth: Feb 11 1882. Race: White. > >> Occupation: farmer, self employed. Place of employment: Atkins, Arkansas. > >> Nearest Relative: Mrs Florence Kincaid Rt 3 Atkins, Arkansas. Date of > >> Registration: Sept 12 1918 > >> > >> 1910 Census Wilson Township,Yell Co.Arkansas > >> 43 43 Kincaid George W Head 28yrs Arkansas > >> Florence M wife 31yrs Arkansas > >> Lawson W son 5yrs Arkansas > >> Opal E dau 3yrs Arkansas > >> James A son 1 4/12yrs Arkansas > >> Cobb O Emmett stepson 10yrs Arkansas > >> Roper George W father in law 70yrs Arkansas > >> Kelley Homer hired man 18yrs Missouri > >> > >> 44 44 Kincaid James B Head 50 Arkansas > >> Frankie J wife 51 years Arkansas > >> Ethel dau 15 years Arkansas > >> James A 11 years Arkansas > >> 45 Ham, Samuel Kelly son in law 26yrs Missouri > >> Samuel James grandson 2yrs Arkansas > >> 46 Franks, David son in law 20 yrs Oklahoma > >> Ora daughter 18yrs Arkansas > >> Frankie J grand daughter 11/12 Arkansas > >> [note: This is one household. Maudy Kincaid Ham died in March, a month > >> before this census.] > >> > >> 1900 Census Wilson Township, Yell Co. Arkansas > >> Kincaid John B (sic James B) 45 yrs Arkansas > >> Frankie J wife 42yrs Arkansas > >> George W son 18yrs Arkansas > >> Maudie daughter 15yrs Arkansas > >> Eliza daughter 13yrs Arkansas > >> Charles O son 11yrs Arkansas > >> Ora E daughter 8yrs Arkansas > >> Mary E daughter 4yrs Arkansas > >> James A son 1yrs Arkansas > >> > >> Note; > >> James Andrew Kincaid b. 11 November 1898 was the youngest son of James B > >> Kincaid and Frankie J Coats, his WWI Draft Reg. Card lists him as: James > >> Andrew Kincaid age 21. Address: Palarm, Faulkner Co. Ark. Date of birth: > >> Nov 12 1897(?). Where born: Yell Co, Arkansas. Fathers birthplace: Newton > >> Co. Arkansas. Name of employer. R E Dent. Place of employment: Palarm, > >> Arkansas.Name of nearest relative: James Kincaid Rt 4 Box 99 Atkins, > >> Arkansas. Date of Registration August 24 1918. James Andrew Kincaid d. 24 > >> Dec 1929 Kerr Co, Texas, his death certificate lists his parents as James > >> B Kincaid and Frankie J Colts (sic, Coats). > >> _____________________ > >> James Brookins Kincaid b. Oct 1858 Newton Co, Arkansas d. 8 Sept 1918 > >> Atkins, Pope Co, Arkansas m.abt 1881 Yell Co. Arkansas to Frankie Jane > >> Coats. > >> > >> Son of Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes > >> > >> I have not found a 1880 census for James B Kincaid. > >> > >> Proven By > >> Family History; > >> It was told to me by my father Amon L Kincaid Sr. that his grandfather > >> James B Kincaid's parents were murdered when he was just a young child > >> and > >> that James had lived in the Boston Mountains as a young boy. James B > >> Kincaid told his son George William Kincaid of the tragedy of his parents > >> and it was passed down from George William Kincaid to my father Amon L > >> Kincaid Sr. My father told me that he was told that his grandfather had > >> hid in the bushes and watched while his parents were murdered. My father > >> said that it was believed to have happened during or after the Civil War. > >> I was also told that the eldest son or sons had went off to the war. It > >> was written in a family Bible of my dad's cousin (Samuel James Hamm, s/o > >> Maudy Kincaid sister of George W Kincaid) and it states as told to him by > >> his uncles and aunts that James B Kincaid was then taken to Indian > >> Territory by uncle Hughes (brother of Tom Hughes) and McGee. My uncle > >> Kelly O Kincaid told the family on a visit to him in J! > >> uly 1987 that their grandfather James B Kincaid's mother's last name was > >> Hughes. > >> [note: see 1910 census above for James B Kincaid with Samuel James Ham in > >> his household] > >> > >> > >> Conditions in Arkansas from the Encyclopedia of Arkansas History & > >> Culture > >> (on line) http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net > >> > >> Flu Epidemic 1918;James B Kincaid died during the flu epidemic.Arkansas > >> was hard hit with over 7,000 recorded deaths.It is believed that > >> additional deaths in the rural areas went unrecorded.Doctors and funeral > >> parlors were swamped so some rural victims were without any official > >> notification.In Nov 1918 the state was placed under quarantine for > >> several > >> months.James B was listed as a farmer in the 1910 census. His address as > >> given by his son on August 24 1918 was Rte 4 Box 99 Atkins,Arkansas > >> (Pope,Co.) efforts to find a death certificate or funeral record for > >> James > >> B Kincaid have not been fruitful. > >> > >> Civil War: Arkansas succeeded from the Union in 1861. By 1862 "Dozens of > >> county & local governments ceased to function as judges, sheriffs, clerks > >> and office holders fled or failed to carry out their duties."The towns in > >> the northern portion were under Union control by 1863 but "In large areas > >> food and other necessities were in short supply...where neither army held > >> sway the last remnants of civil government and the rule of law disappears > >> and guerilla fighters roamed the countryside.The last Confederate General > >> commissioned guerilla forces to roam the country with orders to harass > >> Union troops and cut the supply lines. Some groups did just that, others > >> used the commission to harass, kill and rob both Union and Confederate > >> sympathizers. These groups were known as bushwhackers.They were > >> particulary active in the NW corner where the limestone caves made good > >> hiding places. Union troops passed through Newton Co. in March of 1863 > >> and > >> burned the courthouse (the courthouse was bur! > >> ned again in 1938) By Sept 10 1863 they had captured Little Rock.The > >> Arkansas Democrat Gazette (the paper of record for Arkansas) ceased > >> publication until May 1865.The only paper published continuously during > >> the Civil War was the Washington Telegraph, a confederate paper in the SW > >> corner of Arkansas.The internet has other anecdotal stories passed down > >> through families about ancestors killed by bushwhackers in Newton County. > >> > >> All counties given are close together in the NW corner of Arkansas. > >> > >> Sherod and Jane Kincaid do not appear on the 1870 Federal Census. Sherod > >> does not appear in the 1870 mortality schedule. > >> > >> Below is a summary of where the children listed in the 1860 census of > >> Sherod were in the 1870 census.The Bible record of my dad's cousin > >> (Samuel > >> James Hamm) states that James B Kincaid was taken to Indian Territory to > >> live with relatives. I did not find Cinthia Ann until the 1880 census, > >> married and living in Ward Township, Yell Co. Arkansas. I presume that > >> Cinthia was taken to the Indian Territory as well. I was not able to > >> locate James B Kincaid on the 1880 census. > >> > >> Joseph P Kincaid enlisted in the Union Forces of (Co.D 2nd Arkansas > >> Calvary) in Jasper, Newton Co.Arkansas on Oct 15 1863 age 18 b. Johnson > >> Co. Arkansas > >> > >> William J Kincaid age 22 b. Arkansas in 1870 Census is enumerated in > >> Dardanelle Township, Yell Co. Arkansas in the household of Charles B > >> Mitchell. > >> > >> George A Kincaid age 20 b. Ark in 1870 Census is enumerated in Clark > >> Township, Pope Co. Arkansas in the household of Samuel Rye. > >> > >> Cinthia Ann Kincaid b. May 2 1855 Arkansas d.May 14 1916 Ola,Yell Co. > >> Arkansas m. abt 1878 Yell/Perry Co. Arkansas to James K McGhee. My Aunt > >> Nancy (Amon L Kincaid's sister) had a large trunk of old family photos > >> that was left to her by her father George W Kincaid (son of James B) > >> among > >> the photos was a photo of a baby and the writing on the back of the photo > >> stated "Cinthia Ann, Papa's Sister." > >> > >> John H Kincaid age 13 b.Arkansas in 1870 is enumerated in Newton,Taney > >> Co. > >> Missouri in the household of Houston Hughes. > >> > >> There are family photos of William J Kincaid and George A Kincaid....and > >> also of my great grandfather James B Kincaid. > >> > >> 1860 Census Union Township, Newton Co.Arkansas > >> Kingcade Sherod 39yrs Tenn > >> Jane 26 yrs Alabama > >> Williams Wiley 22yrs Farmhand Tenn > >> Joseph P 14yrs Arkansas > >> William J 13yrs Arkansas > >> George A 12yrs Arkansas > >> Cinthia A 6yrs Arkansas > >> John H 3 yrs Arkansas > >> James B 2 yrs Arkansas > >> > >> Land Record; No.8531 Land Office at Fayetteville, Dec 30 1856. John > >> Hughes > >> of Newton Co, State of Arkansas, on this day purchased of the register of > >> this office, the lot or South West Quarter of the North East Quarter of > >> Section No.Twenty Four in Township No.Thirteen North of Range No.Twenty > >> Two West containing forty acres at the rate of $1.00 per acre. [This land > >> is just below the town of Limestone in the Boston Mts. section of the > >> Ozark National Forest. It is a few miles north of the border with Johnson > >> Co.] > >> > >> Sherod A Kincaid farmed and payed taxes on the above property. > >> > >> Property Tax Records; From the Arkansas History Commission > >> Sherod A Kincaid paid property tax from 1860-1861 in Newton Co.Arkansas > >> on > >> this property; > >> Township=13N SW 1/4 OF THE NE 1/4 > >> Section=24 Located near the town of > >> Range=22W Limestone,Arkansas > >> Sherod A Kincaid payed personal property tax in Newton Co.Arkansas from > >> 1857-1859. He was not charged for the acreage on these taxes. > >> > >> Newton County tax records start again in 1871. > >> > >> John Hughes bought property in Johnson Co. Arkansas in Township 11N > >> Section 10 Range 21W in March 1860.This area is south of the above > >> property. > >> > >> 1860 Census Pilot Rock, Johnson Co. Arkansas > >> Hughes John 32 yrs Alabama > >> Cynthia 26 yrs Missouri > >> John 10 yrs Arkansas > >> Margaret 6 yrs Arkansas > >> Houston 4 yrs Arkansas > >> Thomas 2 yrs Arkansas > >> > >> 1850 Census Perry Co.Arkansas > >> Hughes John 23 yrs Tenn [sic other census years lists Alabama] > >> Cynthia E 15yrs Missouri > >> Houston 21 Tenn [sic: other census years lists Alabama] > >> > >> Arkansas Marriage Records; Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes m. 16 Jan 1853 > >> Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas, marriage solomized by George Horner > >> minister > >> of the gospel of the Baptist Faith. Can be found at > >> Familysearch.org/record search, indexed as Sherwood King, but the actual > >> record says Sherwood King Cade and Jane Huse. > >> > >> 1850 Census Boston Township, Franklin Co. Arkansas > >> Kincade Sherod 29yrs Tenn > >> Eliza 25yrs Alabama > >> Joseph P 4yrs Arkansas > >> William J 3yrs Arkansas > >> George A 3/12 Arkansas > >> Jane Hughs 17yrs Alabama > >> > >> Summary: > >> The 1850 & 1860 censuses do not list relationship to head of household > >> and > >> there was turbulence during the time Sherod died so any recording of his > >> death or probate procedings is unlikely, especially since the courthouse > >> where such data would be stored burned down. The likelihood of obtaining > >> direct proof that James A was the son of Sherod and Jane Hughs is very > >> low > >> because the required records were never made or have not survived. By > >> combining family lore passed down in a position to have known the > >> principles, labeled family photographs, DNA and what records do still > >> exist, it is believed that enough evidence has been gathered to show that > >> James B., father of George W. was born in Newton Co. AR, to a man named > >> Kincaid with a wife whose maiden name has been passed down as Hughs. That > >> James B. had a sister named Cinthia Ann and a close relationship to other > >> children listed in the 1860 census of Sherod Kincaid. That Sherod lived > >> in > >> the Boston Mts. where James B is purported to! > >> have lived as a child, married a woman named Hughs and has 2 censuses > >> consistent with a nuclear family which includes James B born circa 1858. > >> Sherod disappears from all records during a time period consistent with > >> family lore. The children living in his 1860 household appear either on > >> their own or in scattered households which is consistent with the death > >> of > >> their parents between the 2 censuses. While additional records would be > >> welcome, the consistency of lore and those records found are believed > >> sufficient to prove relationship. > >> > >> ____________________________________________ > >> Sherod Kincaid b. abt 1821Tennessee d. bet 1862 - 1870 Newton Co, > >> Arkansas > >> m 1st Eliza m 2nd 16 Jan 1853 Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas to Jane > >> Hughes. > >> > >> Son of unproven > >> [note: the following is provided as a starting point for further research > >> and is not meant to indicate a vettible relationship] > >> > >> Likely parents; Joseph Kincaid and Elizabeth (unknown) > >> > >> What is known; > >> [note: Newton, Madison and Johnson Counties Arkansas are contingent. > >> Franklin Co is contingent with Madison and Johnson Cos. Pope and Yell > >> Counties are contingent south of Johnson Co. The following censuses > >> establish the ages and birth places of Elizabeth's children for > >> comparison > >> to Joseph's censuses which follow] > >> > >> 1850 Census Boston, Franklin Co, Arkansas > >> Kincade Elizabeth 54yrs NC > >> Joseph L 20yrs Tennessee > >> Nancy A 16yrs Alabama > >> Elizabeth 15yrs Alabama > >> William G W 11yrs Alabama > >> [note: Sherod is in 1850 census above living next door] > >> > >> Taylor Co,Texas August 24 1904 issue of the Abilene Reporter, Death > >> notice for William George Washington Kincaid, died at his home near > >> Buffalo Gap, Texas on August 22 1904.It states that he was a native of > >> Alabama and moved with his parents to Arkansas when he was three years > >> old. He went to Texas in 1860 and from there he enlisted in the > >> Confederate Army. After the war he married Miss Annie Elizabeth Clark in > >> 1867. Mrs Kincaid, the widow, and ten children survive. Eulogy published > >> in the May 1905 issue of "The Confederate Veteran Magazine". Letters from > >> Margaret Street, granddaughter of William through his daughter Lula Clark > >> Kincaid and Marshal Ray Street, say William was born in Larkinsville, > >> Alabama. His tombstone has engraved on it (born) March 6 1839. > >> > >> > >> > >> 1880 Census Coryell Co, Texas > >> Kincaide W. G. W. 42yrs Alabama Ky NC > >> A.E. 29yrs Tenn > >> W.L.D. 12yrs Texas > >> E.O. 10yrs Texas > >> J.L. 8yrs Texas > >> M.M. 6yrs Texas > >> A.E. 3yrs Texas > >> O.G. 1yrs Texas > >> McMillan S.C. 56yrs sister Tenn Ky NC > >> > >> 1850 Census Spadra, Johnson Co, Arkansas > >> McMillan Edward A 38yrs North Carolina > >> Sarah C 24yrs Alabama (sic, other census list Tenn) > >> Amanda J 8yrs Tenn > >> Eliza A 2yrs Arkansas > >> (Johnson Co.is next to Franklin & Newton Co.) > >> > >> Sarah C McMillan's daughter Eliza A McMillan m.17 Sept 1872 Dover, Pope > >> Co, Arkansas to Alvin Dean Raulston. Alvin's daughter Mary E Raulston m.8 > >> March 1871 Yell Co, Arkansas to William J Kincaid son of Sherod Kincaid > >> and Eliza.. > >> > >> Eliza A McMillan's Family Bible Record lists her mother Sarah C McMillan > >> b.1824 Alabama. > >> > >> Note; > >> Larkinsville is in Jackson Co, Alabama.In 1830 there is a James > >> Kincaid,1m > >> 20-30,1m under 5,1f 20-30,1f 5-10. He appears along with Joseph Kincaid > >> enumerated on the same page. > >> > >> Tax Record; There is a tax record for Joseph Kincaid for 1842, Madison > >> Co, > >> Arkansas. > >> > >> 1840 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > >> Joseph Kincade > >> males:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> females:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 10-15, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> > >> [for comparison: > >> Joseph (deceased 1850), Sherod b 1820-1 TN, Joseph b 1830 TN, William G W > >> b 1839 ALA > >> Elizabeth b 1796 NC, Sarah b 1824 TN or ALA, (missing daughter), Nancy b > >> 1834 ALA, Elizabeth b 1835 ALA.] > >> > >> 1830 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > >> Joseph Kincaid > >> males: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> female: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> _______________________________ > >> Joseph Kincaid b 1794-1800 KY d.bet 1843-1850 Arkansas m.abt 1820 > >> Elizabeth (unknown) > >> > >> Son of: unproven > >> Likely parents: Hobson Kincaid and Sarah McClure > >> > >> What is known: > >> > >> 1820 Census Franklin Co, TN (only other Kincaid in County) > >> Hopson Kingcade 1m 45+, 1m 26-45, 2m 16-26, 1m 10-16, 1f 45+, 1f 16-26, > >> 1f > >> 10-16 > >> > >> Hopson is listed on the 1792 Clark Co. KY tax lists. > >> > >> Hobson Kincaid was the son of John Kincaid and Elizabeth Logan and > >> grandson of David Kincaid and Winifred Hobson of Albemarle Co. VA. The > >> Family Bible that was given to Elizabeth Logan Kincaid in 1756 by her > >> father (sic, father-in-law) David Kincaid, lists Hobson's birth as Nov. > >> 24 > >> 1763. > >> > >> There is strong circumstancial reason to believe that dna participant > >> 28835 is a des.of John/Elizabeth Logan's son Robert. Amon's DNA matches > >> #28835's DNA at all but 1 marker. The match includes 2 significant > >> mutations. The 1st, a 12 at marker 26 (DYS 460) places them in A-1b along > >> with a descendent of Joseph Kincaid of Albemarle Co. VA, possible brother > >> to David. The 2nd, an 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391), is unique in A-1b. The > >> unmatched results show a step up and a step down from the group A AVV at > >> volitile marker 34 (CDYa). > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very little discussion because there was previously lots of discussion and concerns expressed about the line and/or the vetting process. As far as this latest post, I think the poster should add their source for the date and place given for James' death in 1918. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid > > > > MaryLou or anyone else, Does anyone have a problem with me marking Amon > vetted to Sherod? > There has been little discussion on this other than MaryLou's questions on > the 1870 and 1880 census. The post was originally made almost a month ago. > I > can only assume that the lineage as given does not have a problem and will > mark this line vetted to Sherod next week unless someone brings up a > reason > why this lineage should not be vetted. > > Sue Liedtke > > >> Vetting; Amon L Kincaid to Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes. >> >> Amon L Kincaid >> DNA #1255 A-1b >> Researcher: Debra Griggs (sister) >> >> Amon Luther Kincaid JR. b. 5 July 1948 Bakersfield, Kern Co, California >> m. 28 June 1971 to Brenda Kay Adams Reno, Washoe Co, Nevada. >> >> >> Son of Amon Luther Kincaid SR. and Dorothy Mae Joslin. >> >> Proven by; >> Ca. Birth Certificate for Amon Luther Kincaid JR., date of birth, 5 July >> 1948, county of Kern, Ca. >> Naming his parents as Amon Luther Kincaid SR. age 37 birthplace Arkansas >> and Dorothy Mae Joslin age 25 birthplace Arkansas. >> >> >> Personal Knowledge; I have known Amon L Jr. all my life as son of my >> father Amon L Sr. >> _____________________________________ >> Amon Luther Kincaid SR. b. 14 Oct 1910 Blackwell, Conway Co, Arkansas d. >> 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California m. 20 February 1943 Little >> Rock, Pulaski Co, Arkansas to Dorothy Mae Joslin. >> >> Son of George William Kincaid and Margaret Florence Roper. >> >> Proven by; >> Ca. Death Certificate of Amon Luther Kincaid SR b.Oct 14 1910 Arkansas d. >> 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California.Wife's name listed as Dorothy >> Joslin.His parents are listed as George W Kincaid and Margaret F Roper. >> >> >> 1920 Census, Lee Township, Pope Co. Arkansas >> Kincaid George W 38yrs Arkansas >> Florence wife 42yrs Arkansas >> Lawson son 14yrs Arkansas >> Opal daughter 12yrs Arkansas >> Luther son 9yrs Arkansas >> Kelly son 7yrs Arkansas >> Nancy daughter 5yrs Arkansas >> Mollie daughter 3yrs Arkansas >> Dollie daughter 1 10/12yrs Arkansas >> Cobb Emmett stepson 20yrs Arkansas >> >> >> Personal Knowledge; I knew my aunts Nancy, Mollie and Dollie and my >> uncles >> Kelly and Emmett as my fathers sisters and brothers and children of >> George >> W Kincaid. >> _______________________________________- >> George William Kincaid b. 11 February 1882 Dardanelle, Yell Co. Arkansas >> d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. m 12 Sept 1902 >> Pontoon, Arkansas to Margaret F. Roper. >> >> Son of James Brookins Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats >> >> Proven by; >> Ca. Death Certificate of George "Billy" William Kincaid b.11 Feb 1882 >> Arkansas d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. His >> parents are listed as James B Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats. >> >> Family History: It was told by my father that his father George W Kincaid >> aquired his nickname Billie from his uncle William J Kincaid, he gave him >> the nickname "Billie" because he would play with the "Billie Goats" on >> the >> farm. William J Kincaid appears with Sherod on the 1850 & 1860 census. >> >> WWII Draft Reg. Card lists Billie Kincaid, Place of Res: 713 Abeles >> Little >> Rock, Pulaski Co. Arkansas, Mailing address: Water's Grocery 820 Abeles >> Little Rock, Arkansas. Age: 60 Place of Birth: Perry Co. Arkansas. Date >> of >> birth: Feb 11 1882. Name of person who will always know your address. >> K.O. >> Kincaid 820 Abeles Little Rock, Arkansas. Employers name and address: >> unemployed - works at home. >> >> Although my grandfathers WWII Draft Reg.Card lists him born in Perry Co. >> Arkansas, my brother Amon L Kincaid has stated to me that our grandfather >> George William Kincaid told him he was born in Dardanelle, Arkansas which >> is in Yell County. >> >> WWI Draft Reg. Card lists George William Kincaid address: Rt 3 Atkins, >> Pope Co. Arkansas. Age: 36. Date of birth: Feb 11 1882. Race: White. >> Occupation: farmer, self employed. Place of employment: Atkins, Arkansas. >> Nearest Relative: Mrs Florence Kincaid Rt 3 Atkins, Arkansas. Date of >> Registration: Sept 12 1918 >> >> 1910 Census Wilson Township,Yell Co.Arkansas >> 43 43 Kincaid George W Head 28yrs Arkansas >> Florence M wife 31yrs Arkansas >> Lawson W son 5yrs Arkansas >> Opal E dau 3yrs Arkansas >> James A son 1 4/12yrs Arkansas >> Cobb O Emmett stepson 10yrs Arkansas >> Roper George W father in law 70yrs Arkansas >> Kelley Homer hired man 18yrs Missouri >> >> 44 44 Kincaid James B Head 50 Arkansas >> Frankie J wife 51 years Arkansas >> Ethel dau 15 years Arkansas >> James A 11 years Arkansas >> 45 Ham, Samuel Kelly son in law 26yrs Missouri >> Samuel James grandson 2yrs Arkansas >> 46 Franks, David son in law 20 yrs Oklahoma >> Ora daughter 18yrs Arkansas >> Frankie J grand daughter 11/12 Arkansas >> [note: This is one household. Maudy Kincaid Ham died in March, a month >> before this census.] >> >> 1900 Census Wilson Township, Yell Co. Arkansas >> Kincaid John B (sic James B) 45 yrs Arkansas >> Frankie J wife 42yrs Arkansas >> George W son 18yrs Arkansas >> Maudie daughter 15yrs Arkansas >> Eliza daughter 13yrs Arkansas >> Charles O son 11yrs Arkansas >> Ora E daughter 8yrs Arkansas >> Mary E daughter 4yrs Arkansas >> James A son 1yrs Arkansas >> >> Note; >> James Andrew Kincaid b. 11 November 1898 was the youngest son of James B >> Kincaid and Frankie J Coats, his WWI Draft Reg. Card lists him as: James >> Andrew Kincaid age 21. Address: Palarm, Faulkner Co. Ark. Date of birth: >> Nov 12 1897(?). Where born: Yell Co, Arkansas. Fathers birthplace: Newton >> Co. Arkansas. Name of employer. R E Dent. Place of employment: Palarm, >> Arkansas.Name of nearest relative: James Kincaid Rt 4 Box 99 Atkins, >> Arkansas. Date of Registration August 24 1918. James Andrew Kincaid d. 24 >> Dec 1929 Kerr Co, Texas, his death certificate lists his parents as James >> B Kincaid and Frankie J Colts (sic, Coats). >> _____________________ >> James Brookins Kincaid b. Oct 1858 Newton Co, Arkansas d. 8 Sept 1918 >> Atkins, Pope Co, Arkansas m.abt 1881 Yell Co. Arkansas to Frankie Jane >> Coats. >> >> Son of Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes >> >> I have not found a 1880 census for James B Kincaid. >> >> Proven By >> Family History; >> It was told to me by my father Amon L Kincaid Sr. that his grandfather >> James B Kincaid's parents were murdered when he was just a young child >> and >> that James had lived in the Boston Mountains as a young boy. James B >> Kincaid told his son George William Kincaid of the tragedy of his parents >> and it was passed down from George William Kincaid to my father Amon L >> Kincaid Sr. My father told me that he was told that his grandfather had >> hid in the bushes and watched while his parents were murdered. My father >> said that it was believed to have happened during or after the Civil War. >> I was also told that the eldest son or sons had went off to the war. It >> was written in a family Bible of my dad's cousin (Samuel James Hamm, s/o >> Maudy Kincaid sister of George W Kincaid) and it states as told to him by >> his uncles and aunts that James B Kincaid was then taken to Indian >> Territory by uncle Hughes (brother of Tom Hughes) and McGee. My uncle >> Kelly O Kincaid told the family on a visit to him in J! >> uly 1987 that their grandfather James B Kincaid's mother's last name was >> Hughes. >> [note: see 1910 census above for James B Kincaid with Samuel James Ham in >> his household] >> >> >> Conditions in Arkansas from the Encyclopedia of Arkansas History & >> Culture >> (on line) http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net >> >> Flu Epidemic 1918;James B Kincaid died during the flu epidemic.Arkansas >> was hard hit with over 7,000 recorded deaths.It is believed that >> additional deaths in the rural areas went unrecorded.Doctors and funeral >> parlors were swamped so some rural victims were without any official >> notification.In Nov 1918 the state was placed under quarantine for >> several >> months.James B was listed as a farmer in the 1910 census. His address as >> given by his son on August 24 1918 was Rte 4 Box 99 Atkins,Arkansas >> (Pope,Co.) efforts to find a death certificate or funeral record for >> James >> B Kincaid have not been fruitful. >> >> Civil War: Arkansas succeeded from the Union in 1861. By 1862 "Dozens of >> county & local governments ceased to function as judges, sheriffs, clerks >> and office holders fled or failed to carry out their duties."The towns in >> the northern portion were under Union control by 1863 but "In large areas >> food and other necessities were in short supply...where neither army held >> sway the last remnants of civil government and the rule of law disappears >> and guerilla fighters roamed the countryside.The last Confederate General >> commissioned guerilla forces to roam the country with orders to harass >> Union troops and cut the supply lines. Some groups did just that, others >> used the commission to harass, kill and rob both Union and Confederate >> sympathizers. These groups were known as bushwhackers.They were >> particulary active in the NW corner where the limestone caves made good >> hiding places. Union troops passed through Newton Co. in March of 1863 >> and >> burned the courthouse (the courthouse was bur! >> ned again in 1938) By Sept 10 1863 they had captured Little Rock.The >> Arkansas Democrat Gazette (the paper of record for Arkansas) ceased >> publication until May 1865.The only paper published continuously during >> the Civil War was the Washington Telegraph, a confederate paper in the SW >> corner of Arkansas.The internet has other anecdotal stories passed down >> through families about ancestors killed by bushwhackers in Newton County. >> >> All counties given are close together in the NW corner of Arkansas. >> >> Sherod and Jane Kincaid do not appear on the 1870 Federal Census. Sherod >> does not appear in the 1870 mortality schedule. >> >> Below is a summary of where the children listed in the 1860 census of >> Sherod were in the 1870 census.The Bible record of my dad's cousin >> (Samuel >> James Hamm) states that James B Kincaid was taken to Indian Territory to >> live with relatives. I did not find Cinthia Ann until the 1880 census, >> married and living in Ward Township, Yell Co. Arkansas. I presume that >> Cinthia was taken to the Indian Territory as well. I was not able to >> locate James B Kincaid on the 1880 census. >> >> Joseph P Kincaid enlisted in the Union Forces of (Co.D 2nd Arkansas >> Calvary) in Jasper, Newton Co.Arkansas on Oct 15 1863 age 18 b. Johnson >> Co. Arkansas >> >> William J Kincaid age 22 b. Arkansas in 1870 Census is enumerated in >> Dardanelle Township, Yell Co. Arkansas in the household of Charles B >> Mitchell. >> >> George A Kincaid age 20 b. Ark in 1870 Census is enumerated in Clark >> Township, Pope Co. Arkansas in the household of Samuel Rye. >> >> Cinthia Ann Kincaid b. May 2 1855 Arkansas d.May 14 1916 Ola,Yell Co. >> Arkansas m. abt 1878 Yell/Perry Co. Arkansas to James K McGhee. My Aunt >> Nancy (Amon L Kincaid's sister) had a large trunk of old family photos >> that was left to her by her father George W Kincaid (son of James B) >> among >> the photos was a photo of a baby and the writing on the back of the photo >> stated "Cinthia Ann, Papa's Sister." >> >> John H Kincaid age 13 b.Arkansas in 1870 is enumerated in Newton,Taney >> Co. >> Missouri in the household of Houston Hughes. >> >> There are family photos of William J Kincaid and George A Kincaid....and >> also of my great grandfather James B Kincaid. >> >> 1860 Census Union Township, Newton Co.Arkansas >> Kingcade Sherod 39yrs Tenn >> Jane 26 yrs Alabama >> Williams Wiley 22yrs Farmhand Tenn >> Joseph P 14yrs Arkansas >> William J 13yrs Arkansas >> George A 12yrs Arkansas >> Cinthia A 6yrs Arkansas >> John H 3 yrs Arkansas >> James B 2 yrs Arkansas >> >> Land Record; No.8531 Land Office at Fayetteville, Dec 30 1856. John >> Hughes >> of Newton Co, State of Arkansas, on this day purchased of the register of >> this office, the lot or South West Quarter of the North East Quarter of >> Section No.Twenty Four in Township No.Thirteen North of Range No.Twenty >> Two West containing forty acres at the rate of $1.00 per acre. [This land >> is just below the town of Limestone in the Boston Mts. section of the >> Ozark National Forest. It is a few miles north of the border with Johnson >> Co.] >> >> Sherod A Kincaid farmed and payed taxes on the above property. >> >> Property Tax Records; From the Arkansas History Commission >> Sherod A Kincaid paid property tax from 1860-1861 in Newton Co.Arkansas >> on >> this property; >> Township=13N SW 1/4 OF THE NE 1/4 >> Section=24 Located near the town of >> Range=22W Limestone,Arkansas >> Sherod A Kincaid payed personal property tax in Newton Co.Arkansas from >> 1857-1859. He was not charged for the acreage on these taxes. >> >> Newton County tax records start again in 1871. >> >> John Hughes bought property in Johnson Co. Arkansas in Township 11N >> Section 10 Range 21W in March 1860.This area is south of the above >> property. >> >> 1860 Census Pilot Rock, Johnson Co. Arkansas >> Hughes John 32 yrs Alabama >> Cynthia 26 yrs Missouri >> John 10 yrs Arkansas >> Margaret 6 yrs Arkansas >> Houston 4 yrs Arkansas >> Thomas 2 yrs Arkansas >> >> 1850 Census Perry Co.Arkansas >> Hughes John 23 yrs Tenn [sic other census years lists Alabama] >> Cynthia E 15yrs Missouri >> Houston 21 Tenn [sic: other census years lists Alabama] >> >> Arkansas Marriage Records; Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes m. 16 Jan 1853 >> Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas, marriage solomized by George Horner >> minister >> of the gospel of the Baptist Faith. Can be found at >> Familysearch.org/record search, indexed as Sherwood King, but the actual >> record says Sherwood King Cade and Jane Huse. >> >> 1850 Census Boston Township, Franklin Co. Arkansas >> Kincade Sherod 29yrs Tenn >> Eliza 25yrs Alabama >> Joseph P 4yrs Arkansas >> William J 3yrs Arkansas >> George A 3/12 Arkansas >> Jane Hughs 17yrs Alabama >> >> Summary: >> The 1850 & 1860 censuses do not list relationship to head of household >> and >> there was turbulence during the time Sherod died so any recording of his >> death or probate procedings is unlikely, especially since the courthouse >> where such data would be stored burned down. The likelihood of obtaining >> direct proof that James A was the son of Sherod and Jane Hughs is very >> low >> because the required records were never made or have not survived. By >> combining family lore passed down in a position to have known the >> principles, labeled family photographs, DNA and what records do still >> exist, it is believed that enough evidence has been gathered to show that >> James B., father of George W. was born in Newton Co. AR, to a man named >> Kincaid with a wife whose maiden name has been passed down as Hughs. That >> James B. had a sister named Cinthia Ann and a close relationship to other >> children listed in the 1860 census of Sherod Kincaid. That Sherod lived >> in >> the Boston Mts. where James B is purported to! >> have lived as a child, married a woman named Hughs and has 2 censuses >> consistent with a nuclear family which includes James B born circa 1858. >> Sherod disappears from all records during a time period consistent with >> family lore. The children living in his 1860 household appear either on >> their own or in scattered households which is consistent with the death >> of >> their parents between the 2 censuses. While additional records would be >> welcome, the consistency of lore and those records found are believed >> sufficient to prove relationship. >> >> ____________________________________________ >> Sherod Kincaid b. abt 1821Tennessee d. bet 1862 - 1870 Newton Co, >> Arkansas >> m 1st Eliza m 2nd 16 Jan 1853 Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas to Jane >> Hughes. >> >> Son of unproven >> [note: the following is provided as a starting point for further research >> and is not meant to indicate a vettible relationship] >> >> Likely parents; Joseph Kincaid and Elizabeth (unknown) >> >> What is known; >> [note: Newton, Madison and Johnson Counties Arkansas are contingent. >> Franklin Co is contingent with Madison and Johnson Cos. Pope and Yell >> Counties are contingent south of Johnson Co. The following censuses >> establish the ages and birth places of Elizabeth's children for >> comparison >> to Joseph's censuses which follow] >> >> 1850 Census Boston, Franklin Co, Arkansas >> Kincade Elizabeth 54yrs NC >> Joseph L 20yrs Tennessee >> Nancy A 16yrs Alabama >> Elizabeth 15yrs Alabama >> William G W 11yrs Alabama >> [note: Sherod is in 1850 census above living next door] >> >> Taylor Co,Texas August 24 1904 issue of the Abilene Reporter, Death >> notice for William George Washington Kincaid, died at his home near >> Buffalo Gap, Texas on August 22 1904.It states that he was a native of >> Alabama and moved with his parents to Arkansas when he was three years >> old. He went to Texas in 1860 and from there he enlisted in the >> Confederate Army. After the war he married Miss Annie Elizabeth Clark in >> 1867. Mrs Kincaid, the widow, and ten children survive. Eulogy published >> in the May 1905 issue of "The Confederate Veteran Magazine". Letters from >> Margaret Street, granddaughter of William through his daughter Lula Clark >> Kincaid and Marshal Ray Street, say William was born in Larkinsville, >> Alabama. His tombstone has engraved on it (born) March 6 1839. >> >> >> >> 1880 Census Coryell Co, Texas >> Kincaide W. G. W. 42yrs Alabama Ky NC >> A.E. 29yrs Tenn >> W.L.D. 12yrs Texas >> E.O. 10yrs Texas >> J.L. 8yrs Texas >> M.M. 6yrs Texas >> A.E. 3yrs Texas >> O.G. 1yrs Texas >> McMillan S.C. 56yrs sister Tenn Ky NC >> >> 1850 Census Spadra, Johnson Co, Arkansas >> McMillan Edward A 38yrs North Carolina >> Sarah C 24yrs Alabama (sic, other census list Tenn) >> Amanda J 8yrs Tenn >> Eliza A 2yrs Arkansas >> (Johnson Co.is next to Franklin & Newton Co.) >> >> Sarah C McMillan's daughter Eliza A McMillan m.17 Sept 1872 Dover, Pope >> Co, Arkansas to Alvin Dean Raulston. Alvin's daughter Mary E Raulston m.8 >> March 1871 Yell Co, Arkansas to William J Kincaid son of Sherod Kincaid >> and Eliza.. >> >> Eliza A McMillan's Family Bible Record lists her mother Sarah C McMillan >> b.1824 Alabama. >> >> Note; >> Larkinsville is in Jackson Co, Alabama.In 1830 there is a James >> Kincaid,1m >> 20-30,1m under 5,1f 20-30,1f 5-10. He appears along with Joseph Kincaid >> enumerated on the same page. >> >> Tax Record; There is a tax record for Joseph Kincaid for 1842, Madison >> Co, >> Arkansas. >> >> 1840 Census Jackson Co, Alabama >> Joseph Kincade >> males:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 >> females:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 10-15, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 >> >> [for comparison: >> Joseph (deceased 1850), Sherod b 1820-1 TN, Joseph b 1830 TN, William G W >> b 1839 ALA >> Elizabeth b 1796 NC, Sarah b 1824 TN or ALA, (missing daughter), Nancy b >> 1834 ALA, Elizabeth b 1835 ALA.] >> >> 1830 Census Jackson Co, Alabama >> Joseph Kincaid >> males: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 >> female: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 >> _______________________________ >> Joseph Kincaid b 1794-1800 KY d.bet 1843-1850 Arkansas m.abt 1820 >> Elizabeth (unknown) >> >> Son of: unproven >> Likely parents: Hobson Kincaid and Sarah McClure >> >> What is known: >> >> 1820 Census Franklin Co, TN (only other Kincaid in County) >> Hopson Kingcade 1m 45+, 1m 26-45, 2m 16-26, 1m 10-16, 1f 45+, 1f 16-26, >> 1f >> 10-16 >> >> Hopson is listed on the 1792 Clark Co. KY tax lists. >> >> Hobson Kincaid was the son of John Kincaid and Elizabeth Logan and >> grandson of David Kincaid and Winifred Hobson of Albemarle Co. VA. The >> Family Bible that was given to Elizabeth Logan Kincaid in 1756 by her >> father (sic, father-in-law) David Kincaid, lists Hobson's birth as Nov. >> 24 >> 1763. >> >> There is strong circumstancial reason to believe that dna participant >> 28835 is a des.of John/Elizabeth Logan's son Robert. Amon's DNA matches >> #28835's DNA at all but 1 marker. The match includes 2 significant >> mutations. The 1st, a 12 at marker 26 (DYS 460) places them in A-1b along >> with a descendent of Joseph Kincaid of Albemarle Co. VA, possible brother >> to David. The 2nd, an 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391), is unique in A-1b. The >> unmatched results show a step up and a step down from the group A AVV at >> volitile marker 34 (CDYa).

MaryLou or anyone else, Does anyone have a problem with me marking Amon vetted to Sherod? There has been little discussion on this other than MaryLou's questions on the 1870 and 1880 census. The post was originally made almost a month ago. I can only assume that the lineage as given does not have a problem and will mark this line vetted to Sherod next week unless someone brings up a reason why this lineage should not be vetted. Sue Liedtke > Vetting; Amon L Kincaid to Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes. > > Amon L Kincaid > DNA #1255 A-1b > Researcher: Debra Griggs (sister) > > Amon Luther Kincaid JR. b. 5 July 1948 Bakersfield, Kern Co, California > m. 28 June 1971 to Brenda Kay Adams Reno, Washoe Co, Nevada. > > > Son of Amon Luther Kincaid SR. and Dorothy Mae Joslin. > > Proven by; > Ca. Birth Certificate for Amon Luther Kincaid JR., date of birth, 5 July > 1948, county of Kern, Ca. > Naming his parents as Amon Luther Kincaid SR. age 37 birthplace Arkansas > and Dorothy Mae Joslin age 25 birthplace Arkansas. > > > Personal Knowledge; I have known Amon L Jr. all my life as son of my > father Amon L Sr. > _____________________________________ > Amon Luther Kincaid SR. b. 14 Oct 1910 Blackwell, Conway Co, Arkansas d. > 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California m. 20 February 1943 Little > Rock, Pulaski Co, Arkansas to Dorothy Mae Joslin. > > Son of George William Kincaid and Margaret Florence Roper. > > Proven by; > Ca. Death Certificate of Amon Luther Kincaid SR b.Oct 14 1910 Arkansas d. > 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California.Wife's name listed as Dorothy > Joslin.His parents are listed as George W Kincaid and Margaret F Roper. > > > 1920 Census, Lee Township, Pope Co. Arkansas > Kincaid George W 38yrs Arkansas > Florence wife 42yrs Arkansas > Lawson son 14yrs Arkansas > Opal daughter 12yrs Arkansas > Luther son 9yrs Arkansas > Kelly son 7yrs Arkansas > Nancy daughter 5yrs Arkansas > Mollie daughter 3yrs Arkansas > Dollie daughter 1 10/12yrs Arkansas > Cobb Emmett stepson 20yrs Arkansas > > > Personal Knowledge; I knew my aunts Nancy, Mollie and Dollie and my uncles > Kelly and Emmett as my fathers sisters and brothers and children of George > W Kincaid. > _______________________________________- > George William Kincaid b. 11 February 1882 Dardanelle, Yell Co. Arkansas > d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. m 12 Sept 1902 > Pontoon, Arkansas to Margaret F. Roper. > > Son of James Brookins Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats > > Proven by; > Ca. Death Certificate of George "Billy" William Kincaid b.11 Feb 1882 > Arkansas d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. His > parents are listed as James B Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats. > > Family History: It was told by my father that his father George W Kincaid > aquired his nickname Billie from his uncle William J Kincaid, he gave him > the nickname "Billie" because he would play with the "Billie Goats" on the > farm. William J Kincaid appears with Sherod on the 1850 & 1860 census. > > WWII Draft Reg. Card lists Billie Kincaid, Place of Res: 713 Abeles Little > Rock, Pulaski Co. Arkansas, Mailing address: Water's Grocery 820 Abeles > Little Rock, Arkansas. Age: 60 Place of Birth: Perry Co. Arkansas. Date of > birth: Feb 11 1882. Name of person who will always know your address. K.O. > Kincaid 820 Abeles Little Rock, Arkansas. Employers name and address: > unemployed - works at home. > > Although my grandfathers WWII Draft Reg.Card lists him born in Perry Co. > Arkansas, my brother Amon L Kincaid has stated to me that our grandfather > George William Kincaid told him he was born in Dardanelle, Arkansas which > is in Yell County. > > WWI Draft Reg. Card lists George William Kincaid address: Rt 3 Atkins, > Pope Co. Arkansas. Age: 36. Date of birth: Feb 11 1882. Race: White. > Occupation: farmer, self employed. Place of employment: Atkins, Arkansas. > Nearest Relative: Mrs Florence Kincaid Rt 3 Atkins, Arkansas. Date of > Registration: Sept 12 1918 > > 1910 Census Wilson Township,Yell Co.Arkansas > 43 43 Kincaid George W Head 28yrs Arkansas > Florence M wife 31yrs Arkansas > Lawson W son 5yrs Arkansas > Opal E dau 3yrs Arkansas > James A son 1 4/12yrs Arkansas > Cobb O Emmett stepson 10yrs Arkansas > Roper George W father in law 70yrs Arkansas > Kelley Homer hired man 18yrs Missouri > > 44 44 Kincaid James B Head 50 Arkansas > Frankie J wife 51 years Arkansas > Ethel dau 15 years Arkansas > James A 11 years Arkansas > 45 Ham, Samuel Kelly son in law 26yrs Missouri > Samuel James grandson 2yrs Arkansas > 46 Franks, David son in law 20 yrs Oklahoma > Ora daughter 18yrs Arkansas > Frankie J grand daughter 11/12 Arkansas > [note: This is one household. Maudy Kincaid Ham died in March, a month > before this census.] > > 1900 Census Wilson Township, Yell Co. Arkansas > Kincaid John B (sic James B) 45 yrs Arkansas > Frankie J wife 42yrs Arkansas > George W son 18yrs Arkansas > Maudie daughter 15yrs Arkansas > Eliza daughter 13yrs Arkansas > Charles O son 11yrs Arkansas > Ora E daughter 8yrs Arkansas > Mary E daughter 4yrs Arkansas > James A son 1yrs Arkansas > > Note; > James Andrew Kincaid b. 11 November 1898 was the youngest son of James B > Kincaid and Frankie J Coats, his WWI Draft Reg. Card lists him as: James > Andrew Kincaid age 21. Address: Palarm, Faulkner Co. Ark. Date of birth: > Nov 12 1897(?). Where born: Yell Co, Arkansas. Fathers birthplace: Newton > Co. Arkansas. Name of employer. R E Dent. Place of employment: Palarm, > Arkansas.Name of nearest relative: James Kincaid Rt 4 Box 99 Atkins, > Arkansas. Date of Registration August 24 1918. James Andrew Kincaid d. 24 > Dec 1929 Kerr Co, Texas, his death certificate lists his parents as James > B Kincaid and Frankie J Colts (sic, Coats). > _____________________ > James Brookins Kincaid b. Oct 1858 Newton Co, Arkansas d. 8 Sept 1918 > Atkins, Pope Co, Arkansas m.abt 1881 Yell Co. Arkansas to Frankie Jane > Coats. > > Son of Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes > > I have not found a 1880 census for James B Kincaid. > > Proven By > Family History; > It was told to me by my father Amon L Kincaid Sr. that his grandfather > James B Kincaid's parents were murdered when he was just a young child and > that James had lived in the Boston Mountains as a young boy. James B > Kincaid told his son George William Kincaid of the tragedy of his parents > and it was passed down from George William Kincaid to my father Amon L > Kincaid Sr. My father told me that he was told that his grandfather had > hid in the bushes and watched while his parents were murdered. My father > said that it was believed to have happened during or after the Civil War. > I was also told that the eldest son or sons had went off to the war. It > was written in a family Bible of my dad's cousin (Samuel James Hamm, s/o > Maudy Kincaid sister of George W Kincaid) and it states as told to him by > his uncles and aunts that James B Kincaid was then taken to Indian > Territory by uncle Hughes (brother of Tom Hughes) and McGee. My uncle > Kelly O Kincaid told the family on a visit to him in J! > uly 1987 that their grandfather James B Kincaid's mother's last name was > Hughes. > [note: see 1910 census above for James B Kincaid with Samuel James Ham in > his household] > > > Conditions in Arkansas from the Encyclopedia of Arkansas History & Culture > (on line) http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net > > Flu Epidemic 1918;James B Kincaid died during the flu epidemic.Arkansas > was hard hit with over 7,000 recorded deaths.It is believed that > additional deaths in the rural areas went unrecorded.Doctors and funeral > parlors were swamped so some rural victims were without any official > notification.In Nov 1918 the state was placed under quarantine for several > months.James B was listed as a farmer in the 1910 census. His address as > given by his son on August 24 1918 was Rte 4 Box 99 Atkins,Arkansas > (Pope,Co.) efforts to find a death certificate or funeral record for James > B Kincaid have not been fruitful. > > Civil War: Arkansas succeeded from the Union in 1861. By 1862 "Dozens of > county & local governments ceased to function as judges, sheriffs, clerks > and office holders fled or failed to carry out their duties."The towns in > the northern portion were under Union control by 1863 but "In large areas > food and other necessities were in short supply...where neither army held > sway the last remnants of civil government and the rule of law disappears > and guerilla fighters roamed the countryside.The last Confederate General > commissioned guerilla forces to roam the country with orders to harass > Union troops and cut the supply lines. Some groups did just that, others > used the commission to harass, kill and rob both Union and Confederate > sympathizers. These groups were known as bushwhackers.They were > particulary active in the NW corner where the limestone caves made good > hiding places. Union troops passed through Newton Co. in March of 1863 and > burned the courthouse (the courthouse was bur! > ned again in 1938) By Sept 10 1863 they had captured Little Rock.The > Arkansas Democrat Gazette (the paper of record for Arkansas) ceased > publication until May 1865.The only paper published continuously during > the Civil War was the Washington Telegraph, a confederate paper in the SW > corner of Arkansas.The internet has other anecdotal stories passed down > through families about ancestors killed by bushwhackers in Newton County. > > All counties given are close together in the NW corner of Arkansas. > > Sherod and Jane Kincaid do not appear on the 1870 Federal Census. Sherod > does not appear in the 1870 mortality schedule. > > Below is a summary of where the children listed in the 1860 census of > Sherod were in the 1870 census.The Bible record of my dad's cousin (Samuel > James Hamm) states that James B Kincaid was taken to Indian Territory to > live with relatives. I did not find Cinthia Ann until the 1880 census, > married and living in Ward Township, Yell Co. Arkansas. I presume that > Cinthia was taken to the Indian Territory as well. I was not able to > locate James B Kincaid on the 1880 census. > > Joseph P Kincaid enlisted in the Union Forces of (Co.D 2nd Arkansas > Calvary) in Jasper, Newton Co.Arkansas on Oct 15 1863 age 18 b. Johnson > Co. Arkansas > > William J Kincaid age 22 b. Arkansas in 1870 Census is enumerated in > Dardanelle Township, Yell Co. Arkansas in the household of Charles B > Mitchell. > > George A Kincaid age 20 b. Ark in 1870 Census is enumerated in Clark > Township, Pope Co. Arkansas in the household of Samuel Rye. > > Cinthia Ann Kincaid b. May 2 1855 Arkansas d.May 14 1916 Ola,Yell Co. > Arkansas m. abt 1878 Yell/Perry Co. Arkansas to James K McGhee. My Aunt > Nancy (Amon L Kincaid's sister) had a large trunk of old family photos > that was left to her by her father George W Kincaid (son of James B) among > the photos was a photo of a baby and the writing on the back of the photo > stated "Cinthia Ann, Papa's Sister." > > John H Kincaid age 13 b.Arkansas in 1870 is enumerated in Newton,Taney Co. > Missouri in the household of Houston Hughes. > > There are family photos of William J Kincaid and George A Kincaid....and > also of my great grandfather James B Kincaid. > > 1860 Census Union Township, Newton Co.Arkansas > Kingcade Sherod 39yrs Tenn > Jane 26 yrs Alabama > Williams Wiley 22yrs Farmhand Tenn > Joseph P 14yrs Arkansas > William J 13yrs Arkansas > George A 12yrs Arkansas > Cinthia A 6yrs Arkansas > John H 3 yrs Arkansas > James B 2 yrs Arkansas > > Land Record; No.8531 Land Office at Fayetteville, Dec 30 1856. John Hughes > of Newton Co, State of Arkansas, on this day purchased of the register of > this office, the lot or South West Quarter of the North East Quarter of > Section No.Twenty Four in Township No.Thirteen North of Range No.Twenty > Two West containing forty acres at the rate of $1.00 per acre. [This land > is just below the town of Limestone in the Boston Mts. section of the > Ozark National Forest. It is a few miles north of the border with Johnson > Co.] > > Sherod A Kincaid farmed and payed taxes on the above property. > > Property Tax Records; From the Arkansas History Commission > Sherod A Kincaid paid property tax from 1860-1861 in Newton Co.Arkansas on > this property; > Township=13N SW 1/4 OF THE NE 1/4 > Section=24 Located near the town of > Range=22W Limestone,Arkansas > Sherod A Kincaid payed personal property tax in Newton Co.Arkansas from > 1857-1859. He was not charged for the acreage on these taxes. > > Newton County tax records start again in 1871. > > John Hughes bought property in Johnson Co. Arkansas in Township 11N > Section 10 Range 21W in March 1860.This area is south of the above > property. > > 1860 Census Pilot Rock, Johnson Co. Arkansas > Hughes John 32 yrs Alabama > Cynthia 26 yrs Missouri > John 10 yrs Arkansas > Margaret 6 yrs Arkansas > Houston 4 yrs Arkansas > Thomas 2 yrs Arkansas > > 1850 Census Perry Co.Arkansas > Hughes John 23 yrs Tenn [sic other census years lists Alabama] > Cynthia E 15yrs Missouri > Houston 21 Tenn [sic: other census years lists Alabama] > > Arkansas Marriage Records; Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes m. 16 Jan 1853 > Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas, marriage solomized by George Horner minister > of the gospel of the Baptist Faith. Can be found at > Familysearch.org/record search, indexed as Sherwood King, but the actual > record says Sherwood King Cade and Jane Huse. > > 1850 Census Boston Township, Franklin Co. Arkansas > Kincade Sherod 29yrs Tenn > Eliza 25yrs Alabama > Joseph P 4yrs Arkansas > William J 3yrs Arkansas > George A 3/12 Arkansas > Jane Hughs 17yrs Alabama > > Summary: > The 1850 & 1860 censuses do not list relationship to head of household and > there was turbulence during the time Sherod died so any recording of his > death or probate procedings is unlikely, especially since the courthouse > where such data would be stored burned down. The likelihood of obtaining > direct proof that James A was the son of Sherod and Jane Hughs is very low > because the required records were never made or have not survived. By > combining family lore passed down in a position to have known the > principles, labeled family photographs, DNA and what records do still > exist, it is believed that enough evidence has been gathered to show that > James B., father of George W. was born in Newton Co. AR, to a man named > Kincaid with a wife whose maiden name has been passed down as Hughs. That > James B. had a sister named Cinthia Ann and a close relationship to other > children listed in the 1860 census of Sherod Kincaid. That Sherod lived in > the Boston Mts. where James B is purported to! > have lived as a child, married a woman named Hughs and has 2 censuses > consistent with a nuclear family which includes James B born circa 1858. > Sherod disappears from all records during a time period consistent with > family lore. The children living in his 1860 household appear either on > their own or in scattered households which is consistent with the death of > their parents between the 2 censuses. While additional records would be > welcome, the consistency of lore and those records found are believed > sufficient to prove relationship. > > ____________________________________________ > Sherod Kincaid b. abt 1821Tennessee d. bet 1862 - 1870 Newton Co, Arkansas > m 1st Eliza m 2nd 16 Jan 1853 Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas to Jane Hughes. > > Son of unproven > [note: the following is provided as a starting point for further research > and is not meant to indicate a vettible relationship] > > Likely parents; Joseph Kincaid and Elizabeth (unknown) > > What is known; > [note: Newton, Madison and Johnson Counties Arkansas are contingent. > Franklin Co is contingent with Madison and Johnson Cos. Pope and Yell > Counties are contingent south of Johnson Co. The following censuses > establish the ages and birth places of Elizabeth's children for comparison > to Joseph's censuses which follow] > > 1850 Census Boston, Franklin Co, Arkansas > Kincade Elizabeth 54yrs NC > Joseph L 20yrs Tennessee > Nancy A 16yrs Alabama > Elizabeth 15yrs Alabama > William G W 11yrs Alabama > [note: Sherod is in 1850 census above living next door] > > Taylor Co,Texas August 24 1904 issue of the Abilene Reporter, Death > notice for William George Washington Kincaid, died at his home near > Buffalo Gap, Texas on August 22 1904.It states that he was a native of > Alabama and moved with his parents to Arkansas when he was three years > old. He went to Texas in 1860 and from there he enlisted in the > Confederate Army. After the war he married Miss Annie Elizabeth Clark in > 1867. Mrs Kincaid, the widow, and ten children survive. Eulogy published > in the May 1905 issue of "The Confederate Veteran Magazine". Letters from > Margaret Street, granddaughter of William through his daughter Lula Clark > Kincaid and Marshal Ray Street, say William was born in Larkinsville, > Alabama. His tombstone has engraved on it (born) March 6 1839. > > > > 1880 Census Coryell Co, Texas > Kincaide W. G. W. 42yrs Alabama Ky NC > A.E. 29yrs Tenn > W.L.D. 12yrs Texas > E.O. 10yrs Texas > J.L. 8yrs Texas > M.M. 6yrs Texas > A.E. 3yrs Texas > O.G. 1yrs Texas > McMillan S.C. 56yrs sister Tenn Ky NC > > 1850 Census Spadra, Johnson Co, Arkansas > McMillan Edward A 38yrs North Carolina > Sarah C 24yrs Alabama (sic, other census list Tenn) > Amanda J 8yrs Tenn > Eliza A 2yrs Arkansas > (Johnson Co.is next to Franklin & Newton Co.) > > Sarah C McMillan's daughter Eliza A McMillan m.17 Sept 1872 Dover, Pope > Co, Arkansas to Alvin Dean Raulston. Alvin's daughter Mary E Raulston m.8 > March 1871 Yell Co, Arkansas to William J Kincaid son of Sherod Kincaid > and Eliza.. > > Eliza A McMillan's Family Bible Record lists her mother Sarah C McMillan > b.1824 Alabama. > > Note; > Larkinsville is in Jackson Co, Alabama.In 1830 there is a James Kincaid,1m > 20-30,1m under 5,1f 20-30,1f 5-10. He appears along with Joseph Kincaid > enumerated on the same page. > > Tax Record; There is a tax record for Joseph Kincaid for 1842, Madison Co, > Arkansas. > > 1840 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > Joseph Kincade > males:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > females:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 10-15, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > > [for comparison: > Joseph (deceased 1850), Sherod b 1820-1 TN, Joseph b 1830 TN, William G W > b 1839 ALA > Elizabeth b 1796 NC, Sarah b 1824 TN or ALA, (missing daughter), Nancy b > 1834 ALA, Elizabeth b 1835 ALA.] > > 1830 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > Joseph Kincaid > males: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > female: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > _______________________________ > Joseph Kincaid b 1794-1800 KY d.bet 1843-1850 Arkansas m.abt 1820 > Elizabeth (unknown) > > Son of: unproven > Likely parents: Hobson Kincaid and Sarah McClure > > What is known: > > 1820 Census Franklin Co, TN (only other Kincaid in County) > Hopson Kingcade 1m 45+, 1m 26-45, 2m 16-26, 1m 10-16, 1f 45+, 1f 16-26, 1f > 10-16 > > Hopson is listed on the 1792 Clark Co. KY tax lists. > > Hobson Kincaid was the son of John Kincaid and Elizabeth Logan and > grandson of David Kincaid and Winifred Hobson of Albemarle Co. VA. The > Family Bible that was given to Elizabeth Logan Kincaid in 1756 by her > father (sic, father-in-law) David Kincaid, lists Hobson's birth as Nov. 24 > 1763. > > There is strong circumstancial reason to believe that dna participant > 28835 is a des.of John/Elizabeth Logan's son Robert. Amon's DNA matches > #28835's DNA at all but 1 marker. The match includes 2 significant > mutations. The 1st, a 12 at marker 26 (DYS 460) places them in A-1b along > with a descendent of Joseph Kincaid of Albemarle Co. VA, possible brother > to David. The 2nd, an 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391), is unique in A-1b. The > unmatched results show a step up and a step down from the group A AVV at > volitile marker 34 (CDYa). > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is no 1870 Federal Census in Indian Territory (Oklahoma) is where James B Kincaid was taken to live with his mothers family (Hughes).I mentioned for him for 1870 that he had been taken to Indian Territory after his parents were killed during or after the civil war....I do not have an exact when they were killed. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:59:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid > > Citizens living in Indian Territory were supposed to be included in the 1870 > census. > > You mentioned you couldn't find him in 1880 but didn't mention 1870 and I > wasn't sure why. I'm sure many of them were missed. I think the Kincaids > were pretty good at dodging census takers in general. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra Griggs" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 5:59 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid > > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 22:55:51 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > My great grandfather James B Kincaid was living in Indian Territory in > > 1870.He was taken there to live by his Hughes relatives after his parents > > were bushwhacked.I have provided this information in the family history > > and also summarized in a section of where the children that appear with > > Sherod and Jane in 1860 where their at in 1870. > > > > Debra, > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 08:48:46 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid > >> > >> Where is James B.in the 1870 census? It is mentioned that he hasn't been > >> found on the 1880 census but there is no mention of 1870. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:49 PM > >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid > >> > >> > >> > > >> > This is the 2nd call for comments on the post seeking to vet #1255 to > >> > Sherod > >> > Kincaid. > >> > The link from James B to Sherod is based on GPS guidelines and requires > >> > some > >> > scrutiny to determine if it is believed these guidelines have been met > >> > per > >> > the summary at the end of the proof section for this linkage. > >> > > >> > I will call once more for comment next week. > >> > > >> > Sue Liedtke > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Vetting; Amon L Kincaid to Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes. > >> >> > >> >> Amon L Kincaid > >> >> DNA #1255 A-1b > >> >> Researcher: Debra Griggs (sister) > >> >> > >> >> Amon Luther Kincaid JR. b. 5 July 1948 Bakersfield, Kern Co, > >> >> California > >> >> m. 28 June 1971 to Brenda Kay Adams Reno, Washoe Co, Nevada. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Son of Amon Luther Kincaid SR. and Dorothy Mae Joslin. > >> >> > >> >> Proven by; > >> >> Ca. Birth Certificate for Amon Luther Kincaid JR., date of birth, 5 > >> >> July > >> >> 1948, county of Kern, Ca. > >> >> Naming his parents as Amon Luther Kincaid SR. age 37 birthplace > >> >> Arkansas > >> >> and Dorothy Mae Joslin age 25 birthplace Arkansas. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Personal Knowledge; I have known Amon L Jr. all my life as son of my > >> >> father Amon L Sr. > >> >> _____________________________________ > >> >> Amon Luther Kincaid SR. b. 14 Oct 1910 Blackwell, Conway Co, Arkansas > >> >> d. > >> >> 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California m. 20 February 1943 Little > >> >> Rock, Pulaski Co, Arkansas to Dorothy Mae Joslin. > >> >> > >> >> Son of George William Kincaid and Margaret Florence Roper. > >> >> > >> >> Proven by; > >> >> Ca. Death Certificate of Amon Luther Kincaid SR b.Oct 14 1910 Arkansas > >> >> d. > >> >> 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California.Wife's name listed as > >> >> Dorothy > >> >> Joslin.His parents are listed as George W Kincaid and Margaret F > >> >> Roper. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 1920 Census, Lee Township, Pope Co. Arkansas > >> >> Kincaid George W 38yrs Arkansas > >> >> Florence wife 42yrs Arkansas > >> >> Lawson son 14yrs Arkansas > >> >> Opal daughter 12yrs Arkansas > >> >> Luther son 9yrs Arkansas > >> >> Kelly son 7yrs Arkansas > >> >> Nancy daughter 5yrs Arkansas > >> >> Mollie daughter 3yrs Arkansas > >> >> Dollie daughter 1 10/12yrs Arkansas > >> >> Cobb Emmett stepson 20yrs Arkansas > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Personal Knowledge; I knew my aunts Nancy, Mollie and Dollie and my > >> >> uncles > >> >> Kelly and Emmett as my fathers sisters and brothers and children of > >> >> George > >> >> W Kincaid. > >> >> _______________________________________- > >> >> George William Kincaid b. 11 February 1882 Dardanelle, Yell Co. > >> >> Arkansas > >> >> d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. m 12 Sept 1902 > >> >> Pontoon, Arkansas to Margaret F. Roper. > >> >> > >> >> Son of James Brookins Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats > >> >> > >> >> Proven by; > >> >> Ca. Death Certificate of George "Billy" William Kincaid b.11 Feb 1882 > >> >> Arkansas d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. His > >> >> parents are listed as James B Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats. > >> >> > >> >> Family History: It was told by my father that his father George W > >> >> Kincaid > >> >> aquired his nickname Billie from his uncle William J Kincaid, he gave > >> >> him > >> >> the nickname "Billie" because he would play with the "Billie Goats" on > >> >> the > >> >> farm. William J Kincaid appears with Sherod on the 1850 & 1860 census. > >> >> > >> >> WWII Draft Reg. Card lists Billie Kincaid, Place of Res: 713 Abeles > >> >> Little > >> >> Rock, Pulaski Co. Arkansas, Mailing address: Water's Grocery 820 > >> >> Abeles > >> >> Little Rock, Arkansas. Age: 60 Place of Birth: Perry Co. Arkansas. > >> >> Date > >> >> of > >> >> birth: Feb 11 1882. Name of person who will always know your address. > >> >> K.O. > >> >> Kincaid 820 Abeles Little Rock, Arkansas. Employers name and address: > >> >> unemployed - works at home. > >> >> > >> >> Although my grandfathers WWII Draft Reg.Card lists him born in Perry > >> >> Co. > >> >> Arkansas, my brother Amon L Kincaid has stated to me that our > >> >> grandfather > >> >> George William Kincaid told him he was born in Dardanelle, Arkansas > >> >> which > >> >> is in Yell County. > >> >> > >> >> WWI Draft Reg. Card lists George William Kincaid address: Rt 3 Atkins, > >> >> Pope Co. Arkansas. Age: 36. Date of birth: Feb 11 1882. Race: White. > >> >> Occupation: farmer, self employed. Place of employment: Atkins, > >> >> Arkansas. > >> >> Nearest Relative: Mrs Florence Kincaid Rt 3 Atkins, Arkansas. Date of > >> >> Registration: Sept 12 1918 > >> >> > >> >> 1910 Census Wilson Township,Yell Co.Arkansas > >> >> 43 43 Kincaid George W Head 28yrs Arkansas > >> >> Florence M wife 31yrs Arkansas > >> >> Lawson W son 5yrs Arkansas > >> >> Opal E dau 3yrs Arkansas > >> >> James A son 1 4/12yrs Arkansas > >> >> Cobb O Emmett stepson 10yrs Arkansas > >> >> Roper George W father in law 70yrs Arkansas > >> >> Kelley Homer hired man 18yrs Missouri > >> >> > >> >> 44 44 Kincaid James B Head 50 Arkansas > >> >> Frankie J wife 51 years Arkansas > >> >> Ethel dau 15 years Arkansas > >> >> James A 11 years Arkansas > >> >> 45 Ham, Samuel Kelly son in law 26yrs Missouri > >> >> Samuel James grandson 2yrs Arkansas > >> >> 46 Franks, David son in law 20 yrs Oklahoma > >> >> Ora daughter 18yrs Arkansas > >> >> Frankie J grand daughter 11/12 Arkansas > >> >> [note: This is one household. Maudy Kincaid Ham died in March, a month > >> >> before this census.] > >> >> > >> >> 1900 Census Wilson Township, Yell Co. Arkansas > >> >> Kincaid John B (sic James B) 45 yrs Arkansas > >> >> Frankie J wife 42yrs Arkansas > >> >> George W son 18yrs Arkansas > >> >> Maudie daughter 15yrs Arkansas > >> >> Eliza daughter 13yrs Arkansas > >> >> Charles O son 11yrs Arkansas > >> >> Ora E daughter 8yrs Arkansas > >> >> Mary E daughter 4yrs Arkansas > >> >> James A son 1yrs Arkansas > >> >> > >> >> Note; > >> >> James Andrew Kincaid b. 11 November 1898 was the youngest son of James > >> >> B > >> >> Kincaid and Frankie J Coats, his WWI Draft Reg. Card lists him as: > >> >> James > >> >> Andrew Kincaid age 21. Address: Palarm, Faulkner Co. Ark. Date of > >> >> birth: > >> >> Nov 12 1897(?). Where born: Yell Co, Arkansas. Fathers birthplace: > >> >> Newton > >> >> Co. Arkansas. Name of employer. R E Dent. Place of employment: Palarm, > >> >> Arkansas.Name of nearest relative: James Kincaid Rt 4 Box 99 Atkins, > >> >> Arkansas. Date of Registration August 24 1918. James Andrew Kincaid d. > >> >> 24 > >> >> Dec 1929 Kerr Co, Texas, his death certificate lists his parents as > >> >> James > >> >> B Kincaid and Frankie J Colts (sic, Coats). > >> >> _____________________ > >> >> James Brookins Kincaid b. Oct 1858 Newton Co, Arkansas d. 8 Sept 1918 > >> >> Atkins, Pope Co, Arkansas m.abt 1881 Yell Co. Arkansas to Frankie Jane > >> >> Coats. > >> >> > >> >> Son of Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes > >> >> > >> >> I have not found a 1880 census for James B Kincaid. > >> >> > >> >> Proven By > >> >> Family History; > >> >> It was told to me by my father Amon L Kincaid Sr. that his grandfather > >> >> James B Kincaid's parents were murdered when he was just a young child > >> >> and > >> >> that James had lived in the Boston Mountains as a young boy. James B > >> >> Kincaid told his son George William Kincaid of the tragedy of his > >> >> parents > >> >> and it was passed down from George William Kincaid to my father Amon L > >> >> Kincaid Sr. My father told me that he was told that his grandfather > >> >> had > >> >> hid in the bushes and watched while his parents were murdered. My > >> >> father > >> >> said that it was believed to have happened during or after the Civil > >> >> War. > >> >> I was also told that the eldest son or sons had went off to the war. > >> >> It > >> >> was written in a family Bible of my dad's cousin (Samuel James Hamm, > >> >> s/o > >> >> Maudy Kincaid sister of George W Kincaid) and it states as told to him > >> >> by > >> >> his uncles and aunts that James B Kincaid was then taken to Indian > >> >> Territory by uncle Hughes (brother of Tom Hughes) and McGee. My uncle > >> >> Kelly O Kincaid told the family on a visit to him in J! > >> >> uly 1987 that their grandfather James B Kincaid's mother's last name > >> >> was > >> >> Hughes. > >> >> [note: see 1910 census above for James B Kincaid with Samuel James Ham > >> >> in > >> >> his household] > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Conditions in Arkansas from the Encyclopedia of Arkansas History & > >> >> Culture > >> >> (on line) http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net > >> >> > >> >> Flu Epidemic 1918;James B Kincaid died during the flu > >> >> epidemic.Arkansas > >> >> was hard hit with over 7,000 recorded deaths.It is believed that > >> >> additional deaths in the rural areas went unrecorded.Doctors and > >> >> funeral > >> >> parlors were swamped so some rural victims were without any official > >> >> notification.In Nov 1918 the state was placed under quarantine for > >> >> several > >> >> months.James B was listed as a farmer in the 1910 census. His address > >> >> as > >> >> given by his son on August 24 1918 was Rte 4 Box 99 Atkins,Arkansas > >> >> (Pope,Co.) efforts to find a death certificate or funeral record for > >> >> James > >> >> B Kincaid have not been fruitful. > >> >> > >> >> Civil War: Arkansas succeeded from the Union in 1861. By 1862 "Dozens > >> >> of > >> >> county & local governments ceased to function as judges, sheriffs, > >> >> clerks > >> >> and office holders fled or failed to carry out their duties."The towns > >> >> in > >> >> the northern portion were under Union control by 1863 but "In large > >> >> areas > >> >> food and other necessities were in short supply...where neither army > >> >> held > >> >> sway the last remnants of civil government and the rule of law > >> >> disappears > >> >> and guerilla fighters roamed the countryside.The last Confederate > >> >> General > >> >> commissioned guerilla forces to roam the country with orders to harass > >> >> Union troops and cut the supply lines. Some groups did just that, > >> >> others > >> >> used the commission to harass, kill and rob both Union and Confederate > >> >> sympathizers. These groups were known as bushwhackers.They were > >> >> particulary active in the NW corner where the limestone caves made > >> >> good > >> >> hiding places. Union troops passed through Newton Co. in March of 1863 > >> >> and > >> >> burned the courthouse (the courthouse was burned again in 1938) By > >> >> Sept > >> >> 10 > >> >> 1863 they had captured Little Rock.The Arkansas Democrat Gazette (the > >> >> paper of record for Arkansas) ceased publication until May 1865.The > >> >> only > >> >> paper published continuously during the Civil War was the Washington > >> >> Telegraph, a confederate paper in the SW corner of Arkansas.The > >> >> internet > >> >> has other anecdotal stories passed down through families about > >> >> ancestors > >> >> killed by bushwhackers in Newton County. > >> >> > >> >> All counties given are close together in the NW corner of Arkansas. > >> >> > >> >> Sherod and Jane Kincaid do not appear on the 1870 Federal Census. > >> >> Sherod > >> >> does not appear in the 1870 mortality schedule. > >> >> > >> >> Below is a summary of where the children listed in the 1860 census of > >> >> Sherod were in the 1870 census.The Bible record of my dad's cousin > >> >> (Samuel > >> >> James Hamm) states that James B Kincaid was taken to Indian Territory > >> >> to > >> >> live with relatives. I did not find Cinthia Ann until the 1880 census, > >> >> married and living in Ward Township, Yell Co. Arkansas. I presume that > >> >> Cinthia was taken to the Indian Territory as well. I was not able to > >> >> locate James B Kincaid on the 1880 census. > >> >> > >> >> Joseph P Kincaid enlisted in the Union Forces of (Co.D 2nd Arkansas > >> >> Calvary) in Jasper, Newton Co.Arkansas on Oct 15 1863 age 18 b. > >> >> Johnson > >> >> Co. Arkansas > >> >> > >> >> William J Kincaid age 22 b. Arkansas in 1870 Census is enumerated in > >> >> Dardanelle Township, Yell Co. Arkansas in the household of Charles B > >> >> Mitchell. > >> >> > >> >> George A Kincaid age 20 b. Ark in 1870 Census is enumerated in Clark > >> >> Township, Pope Co. Arkansas in the household of Samuel Rye. > >> >> > >> >> Cinthia Ann Kincaid b. May 2 1855 Arkansas d.May 14 1916 Ola,Yell Co. > >> >> Arkansas m. abt 1878 Yell/Perry Co. Arkansas to James K McGhee. My > >> >> Aunt > >> >> Nancy (Amon L Kincaid's sister) had a large trunk of old family photos > >> >> that was left to her by her father George W Kincaid (son of James B) > >> >> among > >> >> the photos was a photo of a baby and the writing on the back of the > >> >> photo > >> >> stated "Cinthia Ann, Papa's Sister." > >> >> > >> >> John H Kincaid age 13 b.Arkansas in 1870 is enumerated in Newton,Taney > >> >> Co. > >> >> Missouri in the household of Houston Hughes. > >> >> > >> >> There are family photos of William J Kincaid and George A > >> >> Kincaid....and > >> >> also of my great grandfather James B Kincaid. > >> >> > >> >> 1860 Census Union Township, Newton Co.Arkansas > >> >> Kingcade Sherod 39yrs Tenn > >> >> Jane 26 yrs Alabama > >> >> Williams Wiley 22yrs Farmhand Tenn > >> >> Joseph P 14yrs Arkansas > >> >> William J 13yrs Arkansas > >> >> George A 12yrs Arkansas > >> >> Cinthia A 6yrs Arkansas > >> >> John H 3 yrs Arkansas > >> >> James B 2 yrs Arkansas > >> >> > >> >> Land Record; No.8531 Land Office at Fayetteville, Dec 30 1856. John > >> >> Hughes > >> >> of Newton Co, State of Arkansas, on this day purchased of the register > >> >> of > >> >> this office, the lot or South West Quarter of the North East Quarter > >> >> of > >> >> Section No.Twenty Four in Township No.Thirteen North of Range > >> >> No.Twenty > >> >> Two West containing forty acres at the rate of $1.00 per acre. [This > >> >> land > >> >> is just below the town of Limestone in the Boston Mts. section of the > >> >> Ozark National Forest. It is a few miles north of the border with > >> >> Johnson > >> >> Co.] > >> >> > >> >> Sherod A Kincaid farmed and payed taxes on the above property. > >> >> > >> >> Property Tax Records; From the Arkansas History Commission > >> >> Sherod A Kincaid paid property tax from 1860-1861 in Newton > >> >> Co.Arkansas > >> >> on > >> >> this property; > >> >> Township=13N SW 1/4 OF THE NE 1/4 > >> >> Section=24 Located near the town of > >> >> Range=22W Limestone,Arkansas > >> >> Sherod A Kincaid payed personal property tax in Newton Co.Arkansas > >> >> from > >> >> 1857-1859. He was not charged for the acreage on these taxes. > >> >> > >> >> Newton County tax records start again in 1871. > >> >> > >> >> John Hughes bought property in Johnson Co. Arkansas in Township 11N > >> >> Section 10 Range 21W in March 1860.This area is south of the above > >> >> property. > >> >> > >> >> 1860 Census Pilot Rock, Johnson Co. Arkansas > >> >> Hughes John 32 yrs Alabama > >> >> Cynthia 26 yrs Missouri > >> >> John 10 yrs Arkansas > >> >> Margaret 6 yrs Arkansas > >> >> Houston 4 yrs Arkansas > >> >> Thomas 2 yrs Arkansas > >> >> > >> >> 1850 Census Perry Co.Arkansas > >> >> Hughes John 23 yrs Tenn [sic other census years lists Alabama] > >> >> Cynthia E 15yrs Missouri > >> >> Houston 21 Tenn [sic: other census years lists Alabama] > >> >> > >> >> Arkansas Marriage Records; Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes m. 16 Jan > >> >> 1853 > >> >> Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas, marriage solomized by George Horner > >> >> minister > >> >> of the gospel of the Baptist Faith. Can be found at > >> >> Familysearch.org/record search, indexed as Sherwood King, but the > >> >> actual > >> >> record says Sherwood King Cade and Jane Huse. > >> >> > >> >> 1850 Census Boston Township, Franklin Co. Arkansas > >> >> Kincade Sherod 29yrs Tenn > >> >> Eliza 25yrs Alabama > >> >> Joseph P 4yrs Arkansas > >> >> William J 3yrs Arkansas > >> >> George A 3/12 Arkansas > >> >> Jane Hughs 17yrs Alabama > >> >> > >> >> Summary: > >> >> The 1850 & 1860 censuses do not list relationship to head of household > >> >> and > >> >> there was turbulence during the time Sherod died so any recording of > >> >> his > >> >> death or probate procedings is unlikely, especially since the > >> >> courthouse > >> >> where such data would be stored burned down. The likelihood of > >> >> obtaining > >> >> direct proof that James A was the son of Sherod and Jane Hughs is very > >> >> low > >> >> because the required records were never made or have not survived. By > >> >> combining family lore passed down by people in a position to have > >> >> known > >> >> the principles, labeled family photographs, DNA and what records do > >> >> still > >> >> exist, it is believed that enough evidence has been gathered to show > >> >> that > >> >> James B., father of George W. was born in Newton Co. AR, to a man > >> >> named > >> >> Kincaid with a wife whose maiden name has been passed down as Hughs. > >> >> That > >> >> James B. had a sister named Cinthia Ann and a close relationship to > >> >> other > >> >> children listed in the 1860 census of Sherod Kincaid. That Sherod > >> >> lived > >> >> in > >> >> the Boston Mts. where James B is purported to have lived as a child, > >> >> married a woman named Hughs and has 2 censuses consistent with a > >> >> nuclear > >> >> family which includes James B born circa 1858. Sherod disappears from > >> >> all > >> >> records during a time period consistent with family lore. The children > >> >> living in his 1860 household appear either on their own or in > >> >> scattered > >> >> households which is consistent with the death of their parents between > >> >> the > >> >> 2 censuses. While additional records would be welcome, the consistency > >> >> of > >> >> lore and those records found are believed sufficient to prove > >> >> relationship. > >> >> > >> >> ____________________________________________ > >> >> Sherod Kincaid b. abt 1821Tennessee d. bet 1862 - 1870 Newton Co, > >> >> Arkansas > >> >> m 1st Eliza m 2nd 16 Jan 1853 Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas to Jane > >> >> Hughes. > >> >> > >> >> Son of unproven > >> >> [note: the following is provided as a starting point for further > >> >> research > >> >> and is not meant to indicate a vettible relationship] > >> >> > >> >> Likely parents; Joseph Kincaid and Elizabeth (unknown) > >> >> > >> >> What is known; > >> >> [note: Newton, Madison and Johnson Counties Arkansas are contingent. > >> >> Franklin Co is contingent with Madison and Johnson Cos. Pope and Yell > >> >> Counties are contingent south of Johnson Co. The following censuses > >> >> establish the ages and birth places of Elizabeth's children for > >> >> comparison > >> >> to Joseph's censuses which follow] > >> >> > >> >> 1850 Census Boston, Franklin Co, Arkansas > >> >> Kincade Elizabeth 54yrs NC > >> >> Joseph L 20yrs Tennessee > >> >> Nancy A 16yrs Alabama > >> >> Elizabeth 15yrs Alabama > >> >> William G W 11yrs Alabama > >> >> [note: Sherod is in 1850 census above living next door] > >> >> > >> >> Taylor Co,Texas August 24 1904 issue of the Abilene Reporter, Death > >> >> notice for William George Washington Kincaid, died at his home near > >> >> Buffalo Gap, Texas on August 22 1904.It states that he was a native of > >> >> Alabama and moved with his parents to Arkansas when he was three years > >> >> old. He went to Texas in 1860 and from there he enlisted in the > >> >> Confederate Army. After the war he married Miss Annie Elizabeth Clark > >> >> in > >> >> 1867. Mrs Kincaid, the widow, and ten children survive. Eulogy > >> >> published > >> >> in the May 1905 issue of "The Confederate Veteran Magazine". Letters > >> >> from > >> >> Margaret Street, granddaughter of William through his daughter Lula > >> >> Clark > >> >> Kincaid and Marshal Ray Street, say William was born in Larkinsville, > >> >> Alabama. His tombstone has engraved on it (born) March 6 1839. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 1880 Census Coryell Co, Texas > >> >> Kincaide W. G. W. 42yrs Alabama Ky NC > >> >> A.E. 29yrs Tenn > >> >> W.L.D. 12yrs Texas > >> >> E.O. 10yrs Texas > >> >> J.L. 8yrs Texas > >> >> M.M. 6yrs Texas > >> >> A.E. 3yrs Texas > >> >> O.G. 1yrs Texas > >> >> McMillan S.C. 56yrs sister Tenn Ky NC > >> >> > >> >> 1850 Census Spadra, Johnson Co, Arkansas > >> >> McMillan Edward A 38yrs North Carolina > >> >> Sarah C 24yrs Alabama (sic, other census list Tenn) > >> >> Amanda J 8yrs Tenn > >> >> Eliza A 2yrs Arkansas > >> >> (Johnson Co.is next to Franklin & Newton Co.) > >> >> > >> >> Sarah C McMillan's daughter Eliza A McMillan m.17 Sept 1872 Dover, > >> >> Pope > >> >> Co, Arkansas to Alvin Dean Raulston. Alvin's daughter Mary E Raulston > >> >> m.8 > >> >> March 1871 Yell Co, Arkansas to William J Kincaid son of Sherod > >> >> Kincaid > >> >> and Eliza.. > >> >> > >> >> Eliza A McMillan's Family Bible Record lists her mother Sarah C > >> >> McMillan > >> >> b.1824 Alabama. > >> >> > >> >> Note; > >> >> Larkinsville is in Jackson Co, Alabama.In 1830 there is a James > >> >> Kincaid,1m > >> >> 20-30,1m under 5,1f 20-30,1f 5-10. He appears along with Joseph > >> >> Kincaid > >> >> enumerated on the same page. > >> >> > >> >> Tax Record; There is a tax record for Joseph Kincaid for 1842, Madison > >> >> Co, > >> >> Arkansas. > >> >> > >> >> 1840 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > >> >> Joseph Kincade > >> >> males:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> >> females:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 10-15, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> >> > >> >> [for comparison: > >> >> Joseph (deceased 1850), Sherod b 1820-1 TN, Joseph b 1830 TN, William > >> >> G W > >> >> b 1839 ALA > >> >> Elizabeth b 1796 NC, Sarah b 1824 TN or ALA, (missing daughter), Nancy > >> >> b > >> >> 1834 ALA, Elizabeth b 1835 ALA.] > >> >> > >> >> 1830 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > >> >> Joseph Kincaid > >> >> males: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> >> female: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > >> >> _______________________________ > >> >> Joseph Kincaid b 1794-1800 KY d.bet 1843-1850 Arkansas m.abt 1820 > >> >> Elizabeth (unknown) > >> >> > >> >> Son of: unproven > >> >> Likely parents: Hobson Kincaid and Sarah McClure > >> >> > >> >> What is known: > >> >> > >> >> 1820 Census Franklin Co, TN (only other Kincaid in County) > >> >> Hopson Kingcade 1m 45+, 1m 26-45, 2m 16-26, 1m 10-16, 1f 45+, 1f > >> >> 16-26, > >> >> 1f > >> >> 10-16 > >> >> > >> >> Hopson is listed on the 1792 Clark Co. KY tax lists. > >> >> > >> >> Hobson Kincaid was the son of John Kincaid and Elizabeth Logan and > >> >> grandson of David Kincaid and Winifred Hobson of Albemarle Co. VA. The > >> >> Family Bible that was given to Elizabeth Logan Kincaid in 1756 by her > >> >> father (sic, father-in-law) David Kincaid, lists Hobson's birth as > >> >> Nov. > >> >> 24 > >> >> 1763. > >> >> > >> >> There is strong circumstancial reason to believe that dna participant > >> >> 28835 is a des.of John/Elizabeth Logan's son Robert. Amon's DNA > >> >> matches > >> >> #28835's DNA at all but 1 marker. The match includes 2 significant > >> >> mutations. The 1st, a 12 at marker 26 (DYS 460) places them in A-1b > >> >> along > >> >> with a descendent of Joseph Kincaid of Albemarle Co. VA, possible > >> >> brother > >> >> to David. The 2nd, an 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391), is unique in A-1b. The > >> >> unmatched results show a step up and a step down from the group A AVV > >> >> at > >> >> volitile marker 34 (CDYa). > >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >> >> > >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: > >> >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >> > > >> > To join the DNA project, go to: > >> > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >> > >> To join the DNA project, go to: > >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > > To join the DNA project, go to: > > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not so great for "gender equity" either. There's a "de" in there as well. Jennifer Lopez *de* Kincaid. A nice sign of possession and ownership if there ever was one. I was thinking more along the lines of a dynasty starting with me. I have no illusions about succeeding. We don't really have to, I suppose. DNA as an alternative "embedded" naming process ensures that I'll always have my male DNA "dynasty." I'll have to give up my daughters to their mother. No, I'm not married to Jennifer Lopez! Larry Kincaid On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Sue Liedtke <[email protected]> wrote: > The Hispanic naming pattern drives employers nuts. It just doesn't fit in > with SS cards when they want what the card shows as the middle name to be > the last name on the paycheck For genealogists if you know the pattern, > you > get both of the parents surnames. The Scandinavian and Dutch pattern is > more > problematic as the surname changes every generation. In my lines I have > Dirk > Volkerson, son of Volker Dirkson, son of Dirk Volkerson. All the sisters > are > Volkerse or Dirkse. > > Sue Liedtke > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luella Lowther" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Just for Fun > > > > Check out how they do it in Mexico. The wife keeps her maiden name and > > has > > her husband's surname. The man has two surnames - His mother's maiden > > name > > and his father's surname. Between the two they have four surnames. > First > > time I saw this was in a hospital in Paradise, California. The nurses > > were > > convinced the couple were not married, but someone who knew about the > > custom > > straightened them out. The baby, of course, was Juan Carlos mother's > > maiden > > name (which was her father's) and father's surname. Confused yet? > > Then, of course, if you have any Scandinavian lineage (as I do) you run > > into > > the son/sen or dotter names (ie: son of Ole is Oleson. Daughter of Ole > > is > > Oledotter.) Drives a family researcher crazy. > > We all know that MacDonald is son of Donald in Scotland and -ian on the > > end > > of a name in Armenia is son of --. > > I could keep going on about the various beginnings and endings around the > > world but will shut up now. > > Good luck????? > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Hispanic naming pattern drives employers nuts. It just doesn't fit in with SS cards when they want what the card shows as the middle name to be the last name on the paycheck For genealogists if you know the pattern, you get both of the parents surnames. The Scandinavian and Dutch pattern is more problematic as the surname changes every generation. In my lines I have Dirk Volkerson, son of Volker Dirkson, son of Dirk Volkerson. All the sisters are Volkerse or Dirkse. Sue Liedtke . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luella Lowther" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Just for Fun > Check out how they do it in Mexico. The wife keeps her maiden name and > has > her husband's surname. The man has two surnames - His mother's maiden > name > and his father's surname. Between the two they have four surnames. First > time I saw this was in a hospital in Paradise, California. The nurses > were > convinced the couple were not married, but someone who knew about the > custom > straightened them out. The baby, of course, was Juan Carlos mother's > maiden > name (which was her father's) and father's surname. Confused yet? > Then, of course, if you have any Scandinavian lineage (as I do) you run > into > the son/sen or dotter names (ie: son of Ole is Oleson. Daughter of Ole > is > Oledotter.) Drives a family researcher crazy. > We all know that MacDonald is son of Donald in Scotland and -ian on the > end > of a name in Armenia is son of --. > I could keep going on about the various beginnings and endings around the > world but will shut up now. > Good luck?????

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Check out how they do it in Mexico. The wife keeps her maiden name and has her husband's surname. The man has two surnames - His mother's maiden name and his father's surname. Between the two they have four surnames. First time I saw this was in a hospital in Paradise, California. The nurses were convinced the couple were not married, but someone who knew about the custom straightened them out. The baby, of course, was Juan Carlos mother's maiden name (which was her father's) and father's surname. Confused yet? Then, of course, if you have any Scandinavian lineage (as I do) you run into the son/sen or dotter names (ie: son of Ole is Oleson. Daughter of Ole is Oledotter.) Drives a family researcher crazy. We all know that MacDonald is son of Donald in Scotland and -ian on the end of a name in Armenia is son of --. I could keep going on about the various beginnings and endings around the world but will shut up now. Good luck????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Just for Fun > I've long been an advocate of one's sons keeping your surname (Kincaid, of > course) and one's daughter keeping the surname of their mother. That way, > women would be able to keep their own surnames in play. This has to start > somewhere, so naturally I would propose that it start with *me.* My > daughter and son keep the Kincaid surname, and then all of my son's male > offspring would keep Kincaid and all of my daughter's female offspring > would > also keep the Kincaid surname (her husband's surname could be used as a > middle name). In other words, starting now, I generate a dynasty of male > and female surname descendants. Very nice idea. Not sure how > genealogists > would like this. But I like it a lot. Alas, my daughter did keep her > Kincaid surname when she got married, but her husband "interfered" with my > well conceived plan and managed to get his surname used for their > daughter. > Kincaid did stay as a middle name,however. This was a small achievement, > I > suppose. Not exactly in the plan. So, there goes my female dynasty. My > own wife gets left out of this naming business, I suppose. But she wins > in > the long run because it's always going to be her mtDNA. Still working on > my > son to get married and start having a son or two. Gotta protect the > Y-DNA, > right? Social/cultural movements like this would probably require a > little > more effort than this. Larry (Don) Kincaid, Group 2-C > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Peter A. Kincaid > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> So when your friends and relatives give you >> a hard time about your hobby, tell them you >> are doing it so those 200 years from now know >> their history. ;-) >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Larry Kincaid" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Just for Fun >> >> >> > Now look at it this way: >> > >> > Adam and Eve were born in the late 1700's or early 1800's in Western >> > VA, >> > later to be WV. >> > They had the an average number of children for the times of 8 to 12 >> > (normal >> > for the times) >> > By the fourth generation the average number of children per marriage >> > had >> > been reduced to 4 to 6. >> > All through the generations there was a custom of naming children after >> > ancestors, aunts, uncles, inlaws, etc. >> > >> > In the late 1900's one of their descendants now aged 50 or 60 decides >> > to >> > trace their family tree. >> > Imagine the confusion, difficulty, frustrations, etc. from all the same >> > names living in many states (and countries). >> > Now throw in the absence of written records due to non-recorded events, >> > loss >> > of records to war, flood, fire, etc. >> > >> > You now have several thousand people related by DNA to Adam and Eve. >> > Each >> > of >> > these family branches have totally >> > different or non-conforming oral histories. Even with DNA testing >> > (what >> > with mutations, divorces, remarriages, >> > non-paternal events, etc) it becomes almost impossible to trace your >> > family >> > tree more than 4 or 5 generations. >> > >> > This is known as the great brick wall. >> > >> > Respectfully submitted, >> > Larry K. Kincaid of the Fayette County Kincaids >> > DNA 117939 >> > >> > John/Cena >> > Simon/Mary Caroline >> > Wyatte/Mary Caroline >> > Mr Hazel/Dollie >> > Me >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] >> > On >> > Behalf Of James R. Brisbin >> > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:21 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: [KINCAID] Just for Fun >> > >> > Poor old James just has too much time on his hands!!! >> > >> > >> > >> > Just for fun, let's pretend for a moment that there was an Adam Kincaid >> > (Kinkaid, Kinkead, Kincade, Kincaide, Kinkade, etc.) Let's pretend that >> he >> > marries Eve Cunningham and they have two children: Abel Kincaid and >> > Mary >> > Kincaid. >> > >> > >> > >> > Second Generation: Abel Kincaid marries Elizabeth Montgomery and >> > they >> > have two children named James Kincaid and Sarah Kincaid . >> > >> > Mary Kincaid marries John Smith and they have two children named James >> > Smith >> > and Sarah Smith. >> > >> > >> > >> > Third generation: James Kincaid marries Carol Jones and they >> > have >> > two children named William Kincaid and Margaret Kincaid. >> > >> > Sarah Kincaid marries Roger Miller >> > and >> > they have two children Steven Miller and Heather Miller >> > >> > James Smith marries Jean Powers and >> > they >> > have two children Patrick Smith and Helen Smith >> > >> > Sarah Smith marries Thomas Jones and >> > they have two children - Roger Jones and Ruth Jones >> > >> > >> > >> > Fourth generation: William Kincaid marries Joanne Baxter and >> they >> > have two children named Robert Kincaid and Edith Kincaid >> > >> > Margaret Kincaid marries Earl McLean >> > and >> > they have two children named Vernon McLean and Valerie McLean >> > >> > Steven Miller marries Rachael >> > Collins >> > and they have two children named Brian Miller and Brenda Miller >> > >> > Heather Miller marries George >> > Robinson >> > and they have two children named Jeffery Robinson and Naomi Robinson >> > >> > Patrick Smith marries Fanny O'Brien >> and >> > they have two children named Victor Smith and Victoria Smith >> > >> > Helen Smith marries Richard Daily >> > and >> > they have two children named Samuel Daily and Susan Daily >> > >> > Roger Jones marries Pauline >> > Richardson >> > and they have two children named Paul Jones and Leona Jones >> > >> > Ruth Jones marries Edward Quinn and >> > they >> > have two children named Anna Quinn and Andrew Quinn >> > >> > >> > >> > Now lets see just what we have in the fourth generation. We have one >> > boy >> > and >> > one girl each with the names of Kincaid, McLean, Miller, Robinson, >> > Smith, >> > Daily, Jones and Quinn. (and the girls of this generation will likely >> > change >> > their names when married.) >> > >> > Each of these 16 individuals has the same shared chromosomes >> > inherited from the original Adam Kincaid split in half each generation. >> In >> > other words each is really 1/8 Kincaid. >> > >> > It is by custom, tradition or law that each has their >> > respective >> > surname. >> > >> > It seems to me that each is equally entitled to call >> themselves >> > a Kincaid based on their common heritage. >> > >> > >> > >> > "By the way - none of this is properly vetted." :-) >> > >> > >> > >> > I had entirely too much time on my hands a couple of days ago and I >> > redid >> > a >> > chart that I prepared several years ago showing how many Kincaids (of >> > six >> > of >> > the more common spellings) can be found in North American Phone >> > directories. >> > I understand that some are repeats for various reasons so the numbers >> > are >> > only approximate but that is perhaps partially equaled out by those who >> > are >> > unlisted. >> > >> > This chart shows approximately 10,736 Kincaids. Using the >> logic >> > presented above that means that in only 4 generations there could be >> > well >> > over 160,000 individuals sharing Kincaid chromosomes. Now who said we >> were >> > a >> > small Clan? >> > >> > I fully realize that I am stretching logic a bit but I hope >> > that >> > I have made a point that there are many who can share the history and >> > identity of being a Kincaid. >> > >> > >> > >> > "We watch as our lives unfold, as our homes change, our jobs change, >> > our >> > friends change and our interests change. There are but two constants in >> > our >> > lives - our faith and our family. That is where we should place our >> > greatest >> > efforts in life." >> > >> > >> > >> > Submitted with a smile and in kinship to all: >> > >> > >> > >> > James R. Brisbin (6th generation >> > descendant (1/32 Kincaid) of John Kincaid 1771-1814 of Fincastle, >> Campbell >> > County, Tennessee) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > State/Province >> > >> > Kincaid >> > >> > Kinkaid >> > >> > Kinkead >> > >> > Kincade >> > >> > Kincaide >> > >> > Kinkade >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Alabama >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 26 >> > >> > 10 >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 10 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Alaska >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 14 >> > >> > 4 >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Arizona >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 48 >> > >> > 54 >> > >> > 1 >> > >> > 85 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Arkansas >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 12 >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 43 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > California >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 45 >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 31 >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Colorado >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 22 >> > >> > 26 >> > >> > 46 >> > >> > 17 >> > >> > 63 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Connecticut >> > >> > 51 >> > >> > 1 >> > >> > 23 >> > >> > 15 >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 44 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Delaware >> > >> > 35 >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > District of Columbia >> > >> > 16 >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 4 >> > >> > 7 >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Florida >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 38 >> > >> > 90 >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 10 >> > >> > 60 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Georgia >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 16 >> > >> > 31 >> > >> > 71 >> > >> > 1 >> > >> > 25 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hawaii >> > >> > 39 >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 4 >> > >> > 0 >> > >> > 7 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Idaho >> > >> > 81 >> > >> > 5 >> > >> > 12 >> > >> > 9 >> > >> > 2 >> > >> > 12 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Illinois >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 46 >> > >> > 53 >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 29 >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Indiana >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 3 >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 100+ >> > >> > 45 >> > >> > 79 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Iowa 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I've long been an advocate of one's sons keeping your surname (Kincaid, of course) and one's daughter keeping the surname of their mother. That way, women would be able to keep their own surnames in play. This has to start somewhere, so naturally I would propose that it start with *me.* My daughter and son keep the Kincaid surname, and then all of my son's male offspring would keep Kincaid and all of my daughter's female offspring would also keep the Kincaid surname (her husband's surname could be used as a middle name). In other words, starting now, I generate a dynasty of male and female surname descendants. Very nice idea. Not sure how genealogists would like this. But I like it a lot. Alas, my daughter did keep her Kincaid surname when she got married, but her husband "interfered" with my well conceived plan and managed to get his surname used for their daughter. Kincaid did stay as a middle name,however. This was a small achievement, I suppose. Not exactly in the plan. So, there goes my female dynasty. My own wife gets left out of this naming business, I suppose. But she wins in the long run because it's always going to be her mtDNA. Still working on my son to get married and start having a son or two. Gotta protect the Y-DNA, right? Social/cultural movements like this would probably require a little more effort than this. Larry (Don) Kincaid, Group 2-C On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Peter A. Kincaid <[email protected]>wrote: > So when your friends and relatives give you > a hard time about your hobby, tell them you > are doing it so those 200 years from now know > their history. ;-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Just for Fun > > > > Now look at it this way: > > > > Adam and Eve were born in the late 1700's or early 1800's in Western VA, > > later to be WV. > > They had the an average number of children for the times of 8 to 12 > > (normal > > for the times) > > By the fourth generation the average number of children per marriage had > > been reduced to 4 to 6. > > All through the generations there was a custom of naming children after > > ancestors, aunts, uncles, inlaws, etc. > > > > In the late 1900's one of their descendants now aged 50 or 60 decides to > > trace their family tree. > > Imagine the confusion, difficulty, frustrations, etc. from all the same > > names living in many states (and countries). > > Now throw in the absence of written records due to non-recorded events, > > loss > > of records to war, flood, fire, etc. > > > > You now have several thousand people related by DNA to Adam and Eve. Each > > of > > these family branches have totally > > different or non-conforming oral histories. Even with DNA testing (what > > with mutations, divorces, remarriages, > > non-paternal events, etc) it becomes almost impossible to trace your > > family > > tree more than 4 or 5 generations. > > > > This is known as the great brick wall. > > > > Respectfully submitted, > > Larry K. Kincaid of the Fayette County Kincaids > > DNA 117939 > > > > John/Cena > > Simon/Mary Caroline > > Wyatte/Mary Caroline > > Mr Hazel/Dollie > > Me > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > On > > Behalf Of James R. Brisbin > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:21 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [KINCAID] Just for Fun > > > > Poor old James just has too much time on his hands!!! > > > > > > > > Just for fun, let's pretend for a moment that there was an Adam Kincaid > > (Kinkaid, Kinkead, Kincade, Kincaide, Kinkade, etc.) Let's pretend that > he > > marries Eve Cunningham and they have two children: Abel Kincaid and Mary > > Kincaid. > > > > > > > > Second Generation: Abel Kincaid marries Elizabeth Montgomery and > > they > > have two children named James Kincaid and Sarah Kincaid . > > > > Mary Kincaid marries John Smith and they have two children named James > > Smith > > and Sarah Smith. > > > > > > > > Third generation: James Kincaid marries Carol Jones and they > > have > > two children named William Kincaid and Margaret Kincaid. > > > > Sarah Kincaid marries Roger Miller and > > they have two children Steven Miller and Heather Miller > > > > James Smith marries Jean Powers and > > they > > have two children Patrick Smith and Helen Smith > > > > Sarah Smith marries Thomas Jones and > > they have two children - Roger Jones and Ruth Jones > > > > > > > > Fourth generation: William Kincaid marries Joanne Baxter and > they > > have two children named Robert Kincaid and Edith Kincaid > > > > Margaret Kincaid marries Earl McLean > > and > > they have two children named Vernon McLean and Valerie McLean > > > > Steven Miller marries Rachael Collins > > and they have two children named Brian Miller and Brenda Miller > > > > Heather Miller marries George Robinson > > and they have two children named Jeffery Robinson and Naomi Robinson > > > > Patrick Smith marries Fanny O'Brien > and > > they have two children named Victor Smith and Victoria Smith > > > > Helen Smith marries Richard Daily and > > they have two children named Samuel Daily and Susan Daily > > > > Roger Jones marries Pauline Richardson > > and they have two children named Paul Jones and Leona Jones > > > > Ruth Jones marries Edward Quinn and > > they > > have two children named Anna Quinn and Andrew Quinn > > > > > > > > Now lets see just what we have in the fourth generation. We have one boy > > and > > one girl each with the names of Kincaid, McLean, Miller, Robinson, Smith, > > Daily, Jones and Quinn. (and the girls of this generation will likely > > change > > their names when married.) > > > > Each of these 16 individuals has the same shared chromosomes > > inherited from the original Adam Kincaid split in half each generation. > In > > other words each is really 1/8 Kincaid. > > > > It is by custom, tradition or law that each has their > > respective > > surname. > > > > It seems to me that each is equally entitled to call > themselves > > a Kincaid based on their common heritage. > > > > > > > > "By the way - none of this is properly vetted." :-) > > > > > > > > I had entirely too much time on my hands a couple of days ago and I redid > > a > > chart that I prepared several years ago showing how many Kincaids (of six > > of > > the more common spellings) can be found in North American Phone > > directories. > > I understand that some are repeats for various reasons so the numbers are > > only approximate but that is perhaps partially equaled out by those who > > are > > unlisted. > > > > This chart shows approximately 10,736 Kincaids. Using the > logic > > presented above that means that in only 4 generations there could be well > > over 160,000 individuals sharing Kincaid chromosomes. Now who said we > were > > a > > small Clan? > > > > I fully realize that I am stretching logic a bit but I hope > > that > > I have made a point that there are many who can share the history and > > identity of being a Kincaid. > > > > > > > > "We watch as our lives unfold, as our homes change, our jobs change, our > > friends change and our interests change. There are but two constants in > > our > > lives - our faith and our family. That is where we should place our > > greatest > > efforts in life." > > > > > > > > Submitted with a smile and in kinship to all: > > > > > > > > James R. Brisbin (6th generation > > descendant (1/32 Kincaid) of John Kincaid 1771-1814 of Fincastle, > Campbell > > County, Tennessee) > > > > > > > > > > State/Province > > > > Kincaid > > > > Kinkaid > > > > Kinkead > > > > Kincade > > > > Kincaide > > > > Kinkade > > > > > > > > > > Alabama > > > > 100+ > > > > 3 > > > > 26 > > > > 10 > > > > 2 > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > Alaska > > > > 100+ > > > > 3 > > > > 2 > > > > 14 > > > > 4 > > > > 3 > > > > > > > > > > Arizona > > > > 100+ > > > > 5 > > > > 48 > > > > 54 > > > > 1 > > > > 85 > > > > > > > > > > Arkansas > > > > 100+ > > > > 12 > > > > 3 > > > > 100+ > > > > 2 > > > > 43 > > > > > > > > > > California > > > > 100+ > > > > 45 > > > > 100+ > > > > 100+ > > > > 31 > > > > 100+ > > > > > > > > > > Colorado > > > > 100+ > > > > 22 > > > > 26 > > > > 46 > > > > 17 > > > > 63 > > > > > > > > > > Connecticut > > > > 51 > > > > 1 > > > > 23 > > > > 15 > > > > 0 > > > > 44 > > > > > > > > > > Delaware > > > > 35 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 5 > > > > 0 > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > District of Columbia > > > > 16 > > > > 0 > > > > 4 > > > > 7 > > > > 0 > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > Florida > > > > 100+ > > > > 38 > > > > 90 > > > > 100+ > > > > 10 > > > > 60 > > > > > > > > > > Georgia > > > > 100+ > > > > 16 > > > > 31 > > > > 71 > > > > 1 > > > > 25 > > > > > > > > > > Hawaii > > > > 39 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 4 > > > > 0 > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > Idaho > > > > 81 > > > > 5 > > > > 12 > > > > 9 > > > > 2 > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > Illinois > > > > 100+ > > > > 46 > > > > 53 > > > > 100+ > > > > 29 > > > > 100+ > > > > > > > > > > Indiana > > > > 100+ > > > > 3 > > > > 100+ > > > > 100+ > > > > 45 > > > > 79 > > > > > > > > > > Iowa > > > > 96 > > > > 27 > > > > 30 > > > > 29 > > > > 4 > > > > 96 > > > > > > > > > > Kansas > > > > 100+ > > > > 35 > > > > 16 > > > > 47 > > > > 2 > > > > 32 > > > > > > > > > > Kentucky > > > > 100+ > > > > 4 > > > > 30 > > > > 40 > > > > 5 > > > > 100+ > > > > > > > > > > Louisiana > > > > 91 > > > > 15 > > > > 1 > > > > 33 > > > > 5 > > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > > Maine > > > > 31 > > > > 0 > > > > 6 > > > > 7 > > > > 0 > > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > > Maryland > > > > 100+ > > > > 2 > > > > 34 > > > > 7 > > > > 2 > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > Massachusetts > > > > 100+ > > > > 3 > > > > 33 > > > > 27 > > > > 0 > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > Michigan > > > > 100+ > > > > 7 > > > > 33 > > > > 49 > > > > 19 > > > > 38 > > > > > > > > > > Minnesota > > > > 55 > > > > 15 > > > > 27 > > > > 66 > > > > 2 > > > > 14 > > > > > > > > > > Mississippi > > > > 100+ > > > > 3 > > > > 7 > > > > 41 > > > > 29 > > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > > Missouri > > > > 100+ > > > > 6 > > > > 100+ > > > > 100+ > > > > 7 > > > > 100+ > > > > > > > > > > Montana > > > > 47 > > > > 5 > > > > 4 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 14 > > > > > > > > > > Nebraska > > > > 62 > > > > 23 > > > > 8 > > > > 3 > > > > 0 > > > > 16 > > > > > > > > > > Nevada > > > > 100+ > > > > 2 > > > > 7 > > > > 15 > > > > 2 > > > > 39 > > > > > > > > > > New Hampshire > > > > 64 > > > > 0 > > > > 1 > > > > 3 > > > > 0 > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > New Jersey > > > > 100+ > > > > 2 > > > > 20 > > > > 17 > > > > 1 > > > > 71 > > > > > > > > > > New Mexico > > > > 87 > > > > 7 > > > > 11 > > > > 3 > > > > 1 > > > > 17 > > > > > > > > > > New York > > > > 100+ > > > > 24 > > > > 43 > > > > 28 > > > > 4 > > > > 44 > > > > > > > > > > North Carolina > > > > 100+ > > > > 13 > > > > 12 > > > > 25 > > > > 7 > > > > 19 > > > > > > > > > > North Dakota > > > > 25 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > Ohio > > > > 100+ > > > > 65 > > > > 85 > > > > 100+ > > > > 2 > > > > 100+ > > > > > > > > > > Oklahoma > > > > 100+ > > > > 20 > > > > 32 > > > > 73 > > > > 16 > > > > 42 > > > > > > > > > > Oregon > > > > 100+ > > > > 22 > > > > 20 > > > > 26 > > > > 1 > > > > 92 > > > > > > > > > > Pennsylvania > > > > 100+ > > > > 66 > > > > 98 > > > > 92 > > > > 0 > > > > 57 > > > > > > > > > > Rhode Island > > > > 18 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > South Carolina > > > > 100+ > > > > 2 > > > > 6 > > > > 29 > > > > 1 > > > > 11 > > > > > > > > > > South Dakota > > > > 13 > > > > 1 > > > > 5 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > Tennessee > > > > 100+ > > > > 10 > > > > 100+ > > > > 48 > > > > 16 > > > > 50 > > > > > > > > > > Texas > > > > 100+ > > > > 86 > > > > 83 > > > > 100+ > > > > 36 > > > > 100+ > > > > > > > > > > Utah > > > > 24 > > > > 1 > > > > 6 > > > > 1 > > > > 0 > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > Vermont > > > > 19 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > Virginia > > > > 100+ > > > > 14 > > > > 84 > > > > 36 > > > > 6 > > > > 14 > > > > > > > > > > Washington > > > > 100+ > > > > 16 > > > > 49 > > > > 43 > > > > 4 > > > > 100+ > > > > > > > > > > West Virginia > > > > 100+ > > > > 8 > > > > 8 > > > > 10 > > > > 2 > > > > 16 > > > > > > > > > > Wisconsin > > > > 100+ > > > > 18 > > > > 20 > > > > 35 > > > > 4 > > > > 37 > > > > > > > > > > Wyoming > > > > 18 > > > > 0 > > > > 3 > > > > 1 > > > > 0 > > > > 26 > > > > > > > > > > Alberta > > > > 11 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 10 > > > > 1 > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > British Columbia > > > > 37 > > > > 2 > > > > 5 > > > > 11 > > > > 0 > > > > 3 > > > > > > > > > > Manitoba > > > > 8 > > > > 0 > > > > 9 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > Newfoundland > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > New Brunswick > > > > 5 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 43 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > Nova Scotia > > > > 6 > > > > 2 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > Ontario > > > > 85 > > > > 12 > > > > 10 > > > > 10 > > > > 12 > > > > 11 > > > > > > > > > > Prince Edward Island > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 1 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > Quebec > > > > 2 > > > > 1 > > > > 8 > > > > 1 > > > > 0 > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > Saskatchewan > > > > 19 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 4 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > Yukon/N.W.T./Nunavut > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > > id%20%20DNA.xls > > > > To join the DNA project, go to: > > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > > To join the DNA project, go to: > > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > > > > > > 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So when your friends and relatives give you a hard time about your hobby, tell them you are doing it so those 200 years from now know their history. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Just for Fun > Now look at it this way: > > Adam and Eve were born in the late 1700's or early 1800's in Western VA, > later to be WV. > They had the an average number of children for the times of 8 to 12 > (normal > for the times) > By the fourth generation the average number of children per marriage had > been reduced to 4 to 6. > All through the generations there was a custom of naming children after > ancestors, aunts, uncles, inlaws, etc. > > In the late 1900's one of their descendants now aged 50 or 60 decides to > trace their family tree. > Imagine the confusion, difficulty, frustrations, etc. from all the same > names living in many states (and countries). > Now throw in the absence of written records due to non-recorded events, > loss > of records to war, flood, fire, etc. > > You now have several thousand people related by DNA to Adam and Eve. Each > of > these family branches have totally > different or non-conforming oral histories. Even with DNA testing (what > with mutations, divorces, remarriages, > non-paternal events, etc) it becomes almost impossible to trace your > family > tree more than 4 or 5 generations. > > This is known as the great brick wall. > > Respectfully submitted, > Larry K. Kincaid of the Fayette County Kincaids > DNA 117939 > > John/Cena > Simon/Mary Caroline > Wyatte/Mary Caroline > Mr Hazel/Dollie > Me > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of James R. Brisbin > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:21 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [KINCAID] Just for Fun > > Poor old James just has too much time on his hands!!! > > > > Just for fun, let's pretend for a moment that there was an Adam Kincaid > (Kinkaid, Kinkead, Kincade, Kincaide, Kinkade, etc.) Let's pretend that he > marries Eve Cunningham and they have two children: Abel Kincaid and Mary > Kincaid. > > > > Second Generation: Abel Kincaid marries Elizabeth Montgomery and > they > have two children named James Kincaid and Sarah Kincaid . > > Mary Kincaid marries John Smith and they have two children named James > Smith > and Sarah Smith. > > > > Third generation: James Kincaid marries Carol Jones and they > have > two children named William Kincaid and Margaret Kincaid. > > Sarah Kincaid marries Roger Miller and > they have two children Steven Miller and Heather Miller > > James Smith marries Jean Powers and > they > have two children Patrick Smith and Helen Smith > > Sarah Smith marries Thomas Jones and > they have two children - Roger Jones and Ruth Jones > > > > Fourth generation: William Kincaid marries Joanne Baxter and they > have two children named Robert Kincaid and Edith Kincaid > > Margaret Kincaid marries Earl McLean > and > they have two children named Vernon McLean and Valerie McLean > > Steven Miller marries Rachael Collins > and they have two children named Brian Miller and Brenda Miller > > Heather Miller marries George Robinson > and they have two children named Jeffery Robinson and Naomi Robinson > > Patrick Smith marries Fanny O'Brien and > they have two children named Victor Smith and Victoria Smith > > Helen Smith marries Richard Daily and > they have two children named Samuel Daily and Susan Daily > > Roger Jones marries Pauline Richardson > and they have two children named Paul Jones and Leona Jones > > Ruth Jones marries Edward Quinn and > they > have two children named Anna Quinn and Andrew Quinn > > > > Now lets see just what we have in the fourth generation. We have one boy > and > one girl each with the names of Kincaid, McLean, Miller, Robinson, Smith, > Daily, Jones and Quinn. (and the girls of this generation will likely > change > their names when married.) > > Each of these 16 individuals has the same shared chromosomes > inherited from the original Adam Kincaid split in half each generation. In > other words each is really 1/8 Kincaid. > > It is by custom, tradition or law that each has their > respective > surname. > > It seems to me that each is equally entitled to call themselves > a Kincaid based on their common heritage. > > > > "By the way - none of this is properly vetted." :-) > > > > I had entirely too much time on my hands a couple of days ago and I redid > a > chart that I prepared several years ago showing how many Kincaids (of six > of > the more common spellings) can be found in North American Phone > directories. > I understand that some are repeats for various reasons so the numbers are > only approximate but that is perhaps partially equaled out by those who > are > unlisted. > > This chart shows approximately 10,736 Kincaids. Using the logic > presented above that means that in only 4 generations there could be well > over 160,000 individuals sharing Kincaid chromosomes. Now who said we were > a > small Clan? > > I fully realize that I am stretching logic a bit but I hope > that > I have made a point that there are many who can share the history and > identity of being a Kincaid. > > > > "We watch as our lives unfold, as our homes change, our jobs change, our > friends change and our interests change. There are but two constants in > our > lives - our faith and our family. That is where we should place our > greatest > efforts in life." > > > > Submitted with a smile and in kinship to all: > > > > James R. Brisbin (6th generation > descendant (1/32 Kincaid) of John Kincaid 1771-1814 of Fincastle, Campbell > County, Tennessee) > > > > > State/Province > > Kincaid > > Kinkaid > > Kinkead > > Kincade > > Kincaide > > Kinkade > > > > > Alabama > > 100+ > > 3 > > 26 > > 10 > > 2 > > 10 > > > > > Alaska > > 100+ > > 3 > > 2 > > 14 > > 4 > > 3 > > > > > Arizona > > 100+ > > 5 > > 48 > > 54 > > 1 > > 85 > > > > > Arkansas > > 100+ > > 12 > > 3 > > 100+ > > 2 > > 43 > > > > > California > > 100+ > > 45 > > 100+ > > 100+ > > 31 > > 100+ > > > > > Colorado > > 100+ > > 22 > > 26 > > 46 > > 17 > > 63 > > > > > Connecticut > > 51 > > 1 > > 23 > > 15 > > 0 > > 44 > > > > > Delaware > > 35 > > 0 > > 0 > > 5 > > 0 > > 2 > > > > > District of Columbia > > 16 > > 0 > > 4 > > 7 > > 0 > > 2 > > > > > Florida > > 100+ > > 38 > > 90 > > 100+ > > 10 > > 60 > > > > > Georgia > > 100+ > > 16 > > 31 > > 71 > > 1 > > 25 > > > > > Hawaii > > 39 > > 0 > > 0 > > 4 > > 0 > > 7 > > > > > Idaho > > 81 > > 5 > > 12 > > 9 > > 2 > > 12 > > > > > Illinois > > 100+ > > 46 > > 53 > > 100+ > > 29 > > 100+ > > > > > Indiana > > 100+ > > 3 > > 100+ > > 100+ > > 45 > > 79 > > > > > Iowa > > 96 > > 27 > > 30 > > 29 > > 4 > > 96 > > > > > Kansas > > 100+ > > 35 > > 16 > > 47 > > 2 > > 32 > > > > > Kentucky > > 100+ > > 4 > > 30 > > 40 > > 5 > > 100+ > > > > > Louisiana > > 91 > > 15 > > 1 > > 33 > > 5 > > 15 > > > > > Maine > > 31 > > 0 > > 6 > > 7 > > 0 > > 15 > > > > > Maryland > > 100+ > > 2 > > 34 > > 7 > > 2 > > 10 > > > > > Massachusetts > > 100+ > > 3 > > 33 > > 27 > > 0 > > 10 > > > > > Michigan > > 100+ > > 7 > > 33 > > 49 > > 19 > > 38 > > > > > Minnesota > > 55 > > 15 > > 27 > > 66 > > 2 > > 14 > > > > > Mississippi > > 100+ > > 3 > > 7 > > 41 > > 29 > > 15 > > > > > Missouri > > 100+ > > 6 > > 100+ > > 100+ > > 7 > > 100+ > > > > > Montana > > 47 > > 5 > > 4 > > 0 > > 0 > > 14 > > > > > Nebraska > > 62 > > 23 > > 8 > > 3 > > 0 > > 16 > > > > > Nevada > > 100+ > > 2 > > 7 > > 15 > > 2 > > 39 > > > > > New Hampshire > > 64 > > 0 > > 1 > > 3 > > 0 > > 1 > > > > > New Jersey > > 100+ > > 2 > > 20 > > 17 > > 1 > > 71 > > > > > New Mexico > > 87 > > 7 > > 11 > > 3 > > 1 > > 17 > > > > > New York > > 100+ > > 24 > > 43 > > 28 > > 4 > > 44 > > > > > North Carolina > > 100+ > > 13 > > 12 > > 25 > > 7 > > 19 > > > > > North Dakota > > 25 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 4 > > > > > Ohio > > 100+ > > 65 > > 85 > > 100+ > > 2 > > 100+ > > > > > Oklahoma > > 100+ > > 20 > > 32 > > 73 > > 16 > > 42 > > > > > Oregon > > 100+ > > 22 > > 20 > > 26 > > 1 > > 92 > > > > > Pennsylvania > > 100+ > > 66 > > 98 > > 92 > > 0 > > 57 > > > > > Rhode Island > > 18 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 1 > > > > > South Carolina > > 100+ > > 2 > > 6 > > 29 > > 1 > > 11 > > > > > South Dakota > > 13 > > 1 > > 5 > > 0 > > 0 > > 4 > > > > > Tennessee > > 100+ > > 10 > > 100+ > > 48 > > 16 > > 50 > > > > > Texas > > 100+ > > 86 > > 83 > > 100+ > > 36 > > 100+ > > > > > Utah > > 24 > > 1 > > 6 > > 1 > > 0 > > 9 > > > > > Vermont > > 19 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 1 > > > > > Virginia > > 100+ > > 14 > > 84 > > 36 > > 6 > > 14 > > > > > Washington > > 100+ > > 16 > > 49 > > 43 > > 4 > > 100+ > > > > > West Virginia > > 100+ > > 8 > > 8 > > 10 > > 2 > > 16 > > > > > Wisconsin > > 100+ > > 18 > > 20 > > 35 > > 4 > > 37 > > > > > Wyoming > > 18 > > 0 > > 3 > > 1 > > 0 > > 26 > > > > > Alberta > > 11 > > 0 > > 0 > > 10 > > 1 > > 0 > > > > > British Columbia > > 37 > > 2 > > 5 > > 11 > > 0 > > 3 > > > > > Manitoba > > 8 > > 0 > > 9 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > > > > Newfoundland > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > > > > New Brunswick > > 5 > > 0 > > 0 > > 43 > > 0 > > 0 > > > > > Nova Scotia > > 6 > > 2 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > > > > Ontario > > 85 > > 12 > > 10 > > 10 > > 12 > > 11 > > > > > Prince Edward Island > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 1 > > 0 > > 0 > > > > > Quebec > > 2 > > 1 > > 8 > > 1 > > 0 > > 1 > > > > > Saskatchewan > > 19 > > 0 > > 0 > > 4 > > 0 > > 0 > > > > > Yukon/N.W.T./Nunavut > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > > > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message