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    1. Re: [KINCAID] My line
    2. Don W Kincaid

    3. If your brother is a direct male line Kincaid (son of a Kincaid, grandson of a Kincaid, etc) he would be excellent for the dna test. Go to http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid to join or see more info. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Tammy Tipler-Priolo To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] My line Sounds good. Would my brother due for this DNA testing. If not I can try and get my mother to connect with one of her mail cousins. Tammy Tipler-Priolo BASc, PLCGS The Ancestor Investigator www.ancestorinvestigator.com "May All Your Genealogical Dreams Come True!!!" [email protected] 16 Killare Street NORTH BAY ON P1A 4J2 Canada 1-705-495-3261 You can find my Genealogy In Action Column once a week at http://www.baytoday.ca click on columns look for Genealogy In Action and click on recent or archived. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don W Kincaid Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 2:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] My line Tammy, I see you are a professional genealogist so we may be contacting you on our line. I don't know if you are aware of the Kincaid DNA Project but we would love to have one of your male Kincaid kin participate since you show back to Bannockburn in Stirlingshire, Scotland. I will send you info on the DNA project by private email. Don Kincaid # 1427 Kincaid DNA ----- Original Message ----- From: Tammy Tipler-Priolo To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:26 AM Subject: [KINCAID] My line Hi, I am new to the list. My great grandfather Charles Edward Kincaid came from Brockville Ontario Canada. His father was John Byran Kincaide. John was the son of James. James was the son of Archibald Kincaid who came from Bannockburn Stirlingshire Scotland. Archibald was the son of James Kincaid and Janet Manuel. James was the son of John Kincaid and Jane Duncan. The line goes back further, but I would have to start digging out stuff for that. Tammy Tipler-Priolo BASc, PLCGS The Ancestor Investigator www.ancestorinvestigator.com <http://www.ancestorinvestigator.com/> "May All Your Genealogical Dreams Come True!!!" [email protected] 16 Killare Street NORTH BAY ON P1A 4J2 Canada 1-705-495-3261 You can find my Genealogy In Action Column once a week at http://www.baytoday.ca <http://www.baytoday.ca/> click on columns look for Genealogy In Action and click on recent or archived. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/31/2010 06:17:46
    1. [KINCAID] Cemetery headstone cleaning
    2. Don W Kincaid

    3. Hello all, Rick Kincaid is planning on doing some restoration work at the Falling Springs Cemetery where several Kincaid folks are buried and asked about a safe way to clean the headstones. Below is Linda Ashley's response to my request for cleaning headstones which we thought might be of help to some on the list. Happy New Year! Don A lady who recently gave a demonstration says she recommends a reasonably soft scrub brush and plain water. She says wet the whole thing down and then start brushing from the top, repeating as often as necessary. Some people use a little bleach in the water, but she says that is hard on both your hands and the stone. A bad case might require it however. If you use bleach, rinse the stone thoroughly after the brushing. That may require a lot of water carrying. Then cut away as much shade as possible and let the sunshine in! Linda

    12/31/2010 05:31:38
    1. Re: [KINCAID] My line
    2. Don W Kincaid

    3. Tammy, I see you are a professional genealogist so we may be contacting you on our line. I don't know if you are aware of the Kincaid DNA Project but we would love to have one of your male Kincaid kin participate since you show back to Bannockburn in Stirlingshire, Scotland. I will send you info on the DNA project by private email. Don Kincaid # 1427 Kincaid DNA ----- Original Message ----- From: Tammy Tipler-Priolo To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:26 AM Subject: [KINCAID] My line Hi, I am new to the list. My great grandfather Charles Edward Kincaid came from Brockville Ontario Canada. His father was John Byran Kincaide. John was the son of James. James was the son of Archibald Kincaid who came from Bannockburn Stirlingshire Scotland. Archibald was the son of James Kincaid and Janet Manuel. James was the son of John Kincaid and Jane Duncan. The line goes back further, but I would have to start digging out stuff for that. Tammy Tipler-Priolo BASc, PLCGS The Ancestor Investigator www.ancestorinvestigator.com <http://www.ancestorinvestigator.com/> "May All Your Genealogical Dreams Come True!!!" [email protected] 16 Killare Street NORTH BAY ON P1A 4J2 Canada 1-705-495-3261 You can find my Genealogy In Action Column once a week at http://www.baytoday.ca <http://www.baytoday.ca/> click on columns look for Genealogy In Action and click on recent or archived. To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/31/2010 05:01:40
    1. [KINCAID] Roll Call 2011
    2. Sharon Kisor

    3. I descend from: * John, The Patriarch, Kincaid born 1710 in Ireland, d 1811 in NC, married Julia Avery * John Kincaid, Jr. born 1736 in Ireland, d. abt 1828 in NC, married St..ca. * David Kincaid born 1807 in NC, d. 1866 in NC. Married Bathsheba Hansell * Nephus "Pink" Kincaide b. 1854 in NC, d. abt 1890 in Texas, married Mary Scrivner (Note Pink added the "e" to his name after his move to Texas about 1872. * Curtis Eugene Kincaide b. 1884 in Texas, d. 1956 in Kansas, married Emma Roberts * Olive Kincaide b. 1916 in Kansas, d. 1989 in California, married Shirley Packard * - me Note: John, the Patriarch and John Jr. are based on a preponderance of evidence My goal this year is to break through the several brick walls I have and find the ever elusive viable documentation. Sharon Kisor

    12/31/2010 04:42:47
    1. Re: [KINCAID] 2011 Roll Call

    3. ?I descend from Thomas Kincaid (1755-1819) m. Mary Mackey of Ireland and Adams Co., Ohio. My interest is with this family and on back into Ireland. Right now, my best guess is that Thomas Kincaid is son of Robert Kincaid (abt. 1729 of Ireland) m. Margaret Daugherty (abt. 1733 of Ireland - abt. 1809 of Allegheny Co., Pennsylvania). Alice Gedge -----Original Message----- From: Peter A. Kincaid Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [KINCAID] 2011 Roll Call Happy New Year to all! It has been quite a few years that we did a roll call on this list. This is simply an invitation for everyone to post something about their line and their research interest. One tends to be surprised to learn that there are lurkers here with something of interest to other Kincaid list members. I will start with myself. I descend from David Kincaid (1798-1886) of County Londonderry, Northern Ireland. My main area of research is Kincaids in Northern Ireland and Kincaids in Scotland. I hope that in 2011 I will finally link my David to a line in Northern Ireland or Scotland. Love to hear from the lurkers here. Best wishes! Peter Kincaid To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/31/2010 04:20:32
    1. [KINCAID] Leaving the List

    3. To my Kincaid List family: For some time now I have been quite inactive in genealogy. I've kept up with post to the List as much as I could but lately I find I go for days without being able to read all my email. I am going to unsubscribe from the List, but wanted to let you know ahead of time. I've thoroughly enjoyed how this group has worked together, and so appreciate how unselfish you all are. Someday I'm sure I will find myself digging up old bones again--perhaps in retirement I AM still interested in any breakthrough in my line if anybody else out there is carrying on. I'm also not wanting to just disappear. So my email address, [email protected] is still open to anyone who has a specific communication for me--I will read it even if it takes me a few days. Thanks to you all, and all the best of luck in your hunting. Bruce Teague

    12/26/2010 12:48:06
    1. [KINCAID] Obit Vivian (Tomlinson) Kinkade - AZ - 1956-2010

    3. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/tucson/obituary.aspx?n=vivian-s-kinkade&pid =147398730&fhid=2452 Vivian S. Kinkade age 54, of Tucson, a lifelong resident of Arizona, passed away December 18, 2010. She was born in Mesa, AZ, daughter of Frances (Riley) Tomlinson of Winkleman and the late Milze Tomlinson. She loved working with children and was a teacher's assistant until retiring in 2006. She was fond of gardening, she and her husband landscaped their yard until it was the way they wanted it. Her family was the most important thing in her life. She loved caring for the needs of all but especially her beloved granddaughter. Besides her mother, Vivian is survived by her husband of 28 years, Ray L. Kinkade; her daughters, Amy (Lamar) Hunter and Susie Nimmons; her granddaughter, Jaime Hunter, all of Tucson. She is also survived by three sisters, Sandy Heck and Marilyn Gaitan of Winkleman and Carolyn Hawley of Canton, OH. A Memorial Service will be held 11:00 a.m., Tuesday, December 28, 2010 at EVERGREEN MORTUARY, N. Oracle & W. Miracle Mile. The arrangements are by EVERGREEN MORTUARY & CEMETERY. www.evergreenmortuary-cemetery.com

    12/26/2010 05:57:12
    1. [KINCAID] Obit Douglas Landon Kincade, Jr. 1969-2010 GA

    3. http://timesfreepress.com/obits/2010/dec/25/douglas-kincade/ Saturday, December 25, 2010 Douglas Kincade of Georgia Mr. Douglas Landon Kincade Jr., 41, died Wednesday, Dec. 22, 2010.Funeral: 4:30 p.m. Sunday, Dec. 26, at the Chapel of Earle Rainwater Funeral Home.Interment: Spring Creek Cemetery.The family will receive friends after 1 p.m. Sunday at Earle Rainwater Funeral Home.

    12/26/2010 04:57:51
    1. [KINCAID] Hollidays
    2. Brian Kincade

    3. To ALL Kincades of all spellings: HAPPY HOLIDAYS and A PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR Brain Kincade DNA 5803

    12/24/2010 08:11:21
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Christmas Story in Scottish Dialect - 2010-Thank U

    3. Thanks so much! Eliza K Thank You, Hugh ! still have mine - I put it on a C.D. its beautiful, hanks so much for sharing with all of us... am sure others will appreciate it as much as I have. Connie In Beautiful Western Kentucky* NA Kincaid # 3350 NA Knight #N38010 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ onnie's Links-Lots of Links-Try Them ww.angelfire.com/ky2/connie/Links.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ \o/) May Peace be your gift at Christmas /_\ and your blessing all year through! Search the KINCAID archives ttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?path=KINCAID Browse the KINCAID archives ttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/KINCAID/ ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Hugh Kincaid" <[email protected]> o: "KINCAID-LIST" <[email protected]> ent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 1:18 PM ubject: [KINCAID] Christmas Story in Scottish Dialect - 2010 A few of years ago some friends and I made a recording that we hope you enjoy! It is the story of Jesus' birth, in Scottish dialect. It was adapted from the Glasgow Bible. Click on the link below to listen and please pass it around to family and friends. Last year we got about 250 hits from 32 states (and even a few from anada, Japan, Northern Ireland and Germany!) http://www.mungall.com/audio/boj/Default.htm Warmest wishes! Hugh Kincaid Kingsport, TN [email protected] To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: ww.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

    12/22/2010 09:35:22
    1. [KINCAID] Kinkeads versus Kincaids Abingdon, VA area
    2. Don W Kincaid

    3. In trying to locate a documented descendant of David/Winifred Kinkead/Kincaid whose last residence was Abingdon VA, I have been contacting the Kinkeads and Kincaids of the surrounding area. I did a phone search for Kinkeads and Kincaids. There were none at Abingdon but within 50 miles there were 73 Kinkeads versus only 38 Kincaids. This is the only area we have searched that has more Kinkeads than Kincaids! I just go off the phone with David Kinkead of Fort Blackmore, VA which is Southwest of Abingdon a few miles. We have spoken to 4 David Kinkeads from that area so far but none have known anything beyond their grandfathers but they have all have been nice folks to visit with. David seems to be a common given name for their lines, either as a first or middle name. Don

    12/19/2010 12:38:53
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Christmas Story in Scottish Dialect - 2010-Thank U

    3. Thank You, Hugh ! I still have mine - I put it on a C.D. its beautiful, thanks so much for sharing with all of us... I am sure others will appreciate it as much as I have. Connie *In Beautiful Western Kentucky* DNA Kincaid # 3350 DNA Knight #N38010 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Connie's Links-Lots of Links-Try Them www.angelfire.com/ky2/connie/Links.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\o/) May Peace be your gift at Christmas /_\ and your blessing all year through! Search the KINCAID archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?path=KINCAID Browse the KINCAID archives http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/KINCAID/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: "KINCAID-LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 1:18 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Christmas Story in Scottish Dialect - 2010 :A few of years ago some friends and I made a recording that we hope you : enjoy! : : It is the story of Jesus' birth, in Scottish dialect. It was adapted from : the Glasgow Bible. : : Click on the link below to listen and please pass it around to family and : friends. : : Last year we got about 250 hits from 32 states (and even a few from Canada, : Japan, Northern Ireland and Germany!) : : http://www.mungall.com/audio/boj/Default.htm : : Warmest wishes! : : Hugh Kincaid : Kingsport, TN : [email protected]

    12/19/2010 08:53:13
    1. [KINCAID] Christmas Story in Scottish Dialect - 2010
    2. Hugh Kincaid

    3. A few of years ago some friends and I made a recording that we hope you enjoy! It is the story of Jesus' birth, in Scottish dialect. It was adapted from the Glasgow Bible. Click on the link below to listen and please pass it around to family and friends. Last year we got about 250 hits from 32 states (and even a few from Canada, Japan, Northern Ireland and Germany!) http://www.mungall.com/audio/boj/Default.htm Warmest wishes! Hugh Kincaid Kingsport, TN [email protected]

    12/19/2010 07:18:33
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Edinburgh Kincaids
    2. Peter A. Kincaid

    3. >From what we know, the candidates for who this could be are Rev. John Kinkead, John Kincaid, the weaver, and Dr. John Kincaid (m. Margaret Preeson). Since he was made a guild brother, I would be inclined to cross of Rev. John Kinkead. Since he was an Esquire, I would be inclined to favour Dr. John Kincaid over John Kincaid, the weaver. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:56 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Edinburgh Kincaids > This message from 1996 was sent by Peter to the Kincaid list. This John > Kincaid has not been identified. > > Kincaid, John, Esq., of Virginia, burgess and guild brother, > gratis, by act of C. 4 May 1743 > > Source: "Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses and Guild-Brethren, 1701-1760." > Ed. Charles B. Boog Watson. Edinburgh: Printed for the Society by > J[ames] Skinner & Company, 1930. Scottish Record Society. 62: 113. > *****

    12/19/2010 04:24:09
    1. [KINCAID] Kincaid 'Look-Ups' on Ancestry.com
    2. Lesley Cains

    3. Hi everyone Just wanted to wish you all a very Merry Christmas ! Also I notice Ancestry.com has quite a few new data bases, and so if anyone does not have membership to that site and would like any 'look-ups' re KINCAID done, please let me know as i have the world membership and I'd be glad to help out ...... Who knows, I may even find something that will help me too (smile). Cheers Lesley [email protected] ____________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: Lesley Cains > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 5, Issue 439 > > Thanks everyone > Yes, Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth Chislie had 4 children; > > John Kincaid who married Margaret Gaff (as detailed in my vetting post) > Thomas Kincaid baptised 13-Apr-1766 and died in 1767. > Elizabeth Kincaid baptised 15-Nov-1767 (IGI has a marriage to a James > Hardie, but there are no OPR's) > > And; > Alexander Kincaid christened 15-May-1764 and died 17-Feb-1854. > He married Jean Clark and had six children (Thomas, John, Marion, James, > Alexander and Thomas); > > Thomas Kincaid 1790-1794 = died in childhood so N/A for DNA > > John Kincaid 1801-1808 = died in childhood so N/A for DNA > > Marion Kincaid 1792 - ?? = Female so N/A for DNA > > James Kincaid b.09-Apr-1794, died 7-Jul-1855 at orchid Hill, he married > 1st to Janet Hill 18-Apr-1842, Janet died 1-Jul-1842 (no children), then > James married in June 1843 to Agnes Wilson and they had 4 daughters > (Agnes Cook Kincaid, Jane Clarke Kincaid, Margaret Kincaid and Mary > Kincaid) = all Female so N/A for DNA. > > Alexander Kincaid b.17-Jul-1798, there is an OPR marriage to Elizabeth > Smith in Polmont 30-Jan-1813, unfortunately there are no parents > mentioned on this OPR, and with the prolific naming of Alexander, I'm > hesitant to say categorically this is the one. However, this couple did > produce nine children (Alexander, Margaret, twins Janet & Elizabeth, > Agnes, Jean, James, Janet with youngest child John born 1826 possibly > being Major John Kincaid-Smith). I purchased the will of an Alexander > Kincaid who died in 1849 stating he was widow of Elizabeth Smith and a > farmer of Bowhouse Parish of Polmont. This document does not match up > regarding all of his children's names, it mentions his sons Alexander & > John only - could be son James was dead or out of favour ? and only > mentioning daughters Margaret, Elizabeth, Jane (one could presume Jane to > be Jean ) & Jessie ?? From the book - Stirlingshire Monumental > inscriptions, it appears there were three tablets positioned together > (implying close members of a family unit ?) written as chn are Janet, > Agnes & Jas near Alexander & Elizabeth Kincaid. I'm still following up on > this one. > > And, Thomas "Captain' Kincaid b.26-Sep-1796 and died 18-Mar-1884 who > married Ann Henderson on 2-Jul-1838 did produce 10 children; > Alexander Kincaid 1839-1892 > John George Kincaid 1840-1924 > Janet Kincaid 1842- ? > Ann Jane Kincaid 1849- ? > Marion Kincaid 1845-1930 > James Kincaid 1847-1903 > Elizabeth Kincaid 1848- ? > Charles Stewart Kincaid 1851-1924 > William Clark Kincaid 1854-1908 > > So considering these six sons of Captain Thomas Kincaid & Ann Henderson; > > 1) Alexander b.30-May-1839, d.29-Jul-1892 238 Calle Son Martin, Buenos > Ayres, I can find no marriage or children for him. > http://www.argbrit.org/Saudades/Saudades.htm > > 2) John George Kincaid, founder of John G Kincaid & Co, b.3-Oct-1840 and > died 26-Apr-1924 married Margaret Grierson 8-Sep-1875. > Probate confirmed by son's James Scott, Randal Grierson & Henderson > Kincaid > > This couple had six sons = > > i) Thomas Lennox Kincaid b.1877 and died in Randwick NSW Australia 1940 (I > have his death certificate which records his 2 marriages in Australia and > that there were no children - the man who called himself Hilton Granville > Kincaid was actually the son of his 2nd wife, who changed his surname from > Marcosso to Kincaid, let me know if you want details on this one, the > Australian Newspaper archives are available on Google search). > > ii) James Scott Kincaid b.24-Mar-1878 d.30-Jul-1940 > Married 1st to Constance Isobel Mackellar 01-Feb-1908 in Glasgow, > Constance died in 1929, James remarried in Westminster 1934 to Jean > Cumming. The probate for James was confirmed by Jean Cumming widow and > Randal G Kincaid. I have been unable to find records of any children by > either marriages. > > iii) John George Kincaid b.1881, d.4-Aug-1909 > I have been unable to find records of any marriage or children > > iv) Henderson Kincaid b.30-Mar-1884, d.1927 Dorking Surrey > Married Marion Arnot Sloan 29-Jul-1913 Greenock > I have been unable to find any children > > v) Stewart Grierson Kincaid b.9-Jan-1890, d.5-Dec-1890 > > vi) Randal Grierson Kincaid b.28-May-1892, d.1984 Hastings > Randal married twice, 1st in London 1928 to Frances G Irvine (shipping > records also show this couple travelling), 2nd to Pauline (Lillie) Johnson > in Battle, Sussex 1939. Again, shipping records show this couple travelled > considerably. No children found > > 3) Thomas Kincaid b.29-Apr-1843, died 8-Jan-1903 Buenos Ayres although he > was 59 yrs old I can find no marriage or children for him. > > 4) James Kincaid b.11-Sep-1847, d.18-Oct-1903 Patagones Argentina I can > find no marriage or children for him, certainly none were mentioned on his > probate which was confirmed by William Clark Kincaid. > > 5) Charles Stewart Kincaid b.14-Jan-1851, d. 19-Jan-1924 > Probate confirmed by James Scott Kincaid & Henderson Kincaid, no mention > of a wife or children, and no records found. > > 6) William Clark Kincaid b. 30-Nov-1854, d.17-Dec-17-Dec-1908 I can find > no marriage or children for him, certainly none were mentioned on his > probate confirmed by Charles Stewart Kincaid and Randal Grierson Kincaid > > An Interesting article on this family can be found at; > http://sites.google.com/site/inverclydeshipbuilding/home/inverclyde-engin > eer ing-companies/kincaids > but sadly it would seem no ongoing DNA. > > I do wonder with all the travelling these Kincaid men did, (as well as Sir > John Kincaid, and his nephew Thomas William kincaid) that, well boys will > be boys, perhaps once genetic DNA testing becomes more > affordable/popular will we uncover some more Kincaids? > > ____________________________________________________ > > Looking back at John Kincaid & Margaret Gaff who had five children; > > Charles Kincaid born 3-May-1791 who died in Paarl South Africa as detailed > in my vetting > Also > Alexander born 1789 and died at Sea aged 17 years in 1806 = No DNA > Margaret Kincaid bap.22-Jul-1795, died 6-Oct-1863 who married Peter Hardie > 8-Mar-1811 > John Kincaid (Sir John Kincaid) bap.29-Jul-1787, died in Sussex > 23-Apr-1862. Sir John married Louisa Frisbee on 19-Mar-1862 at Notting > Hill (certificate available on Ancestry.com), his will mentions sole > executrix as Dame Louisa Kincaid. No children recorded so no DNA > And .. > Thomas Kincaid bap.30-Oct-1785, died 31-Dec-1848 Glasgow, married Isabella > Balloch in 1818. This couple had eleven children (Isabella, John, William > Balloch, Thomas, Alexander, Charles Gaff, Isabella, Margaret, Mary and > Jane). > So, looking at the five boys - > > i) John Kincaid 1820- > I have not been able to confirm a death date, the last census return found > was 1881, showing John Kincaid born 1820, single and a cotton merchant > born Stirlingshire Scotland and a boarder in Manchester. > > ii) William Balloch Kincaid 1822-1835 (Note; this OPR has no age for the > William Kincaid, however I have been unable to find any other record for > him at all in any search engine). > iii) Thomas Kincaid b.05-May-1824, died 1906. Probate confirms census that > Thomas was single, retired merchant and that he lived with his spinster > sister Margaret who died the same year. The probate was confirmed by > William Clark Kincaid and John Brownrigg Balloch. No marriage records, no > children). > > iv) Alexander Kincaid b.1827, died 1847 > > v) Charles Gaff Kincaid 1828-1849 in Devon. ____________________________________________________________________________ _ > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of kincaid[email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, 14 December 2010 12:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: KINCAID Digest, Vol 5, Issue 439 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: KINCAID Digest, Vol 5, Issue 432 (Peter A. Kincaid) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:36:20 -0400 > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 5, Issue 432 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > These are of the Thomas Kincaid/Elizabeth Chiesly line. Henderson > is a grandson of Captain Thomas. He was John George Kincaid's > son. > > I believe you missed: > > A son to Mr & Mrs Thomas Kincaid born at Quarry Bank, Greenock > on 14th January 1851 [Greenock Advertiser, Greenock, UK. > 17 January 1851]. > > This would be Charles Stewart Kincaid. Charles Stewart, son of > Thomas Kincaid and Ann Henderson, was baptized on 28 January 1851 > at West (Old) Parish, Greenock. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 9:47 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 5, Issue 432 > > >> Lesley, are these Kincaids from your family line? I did not see the >> first son of Capt. Thomas on this website. Henderson Kincaid may have >> been a grandson of Capt. Thomas or was he the first son? The marriage >> date seems too late for him to have been Thomas/Ann's son. >> >> KINCAID Captain Thomas Kincaid to Ann, only daughter of late Captain John >> Henderson, Port >> Glasgow, at Wood Cottage, Greenock on 2nd July 1838 by Reverend Menzies. >> (Greenock >> Advertiser 2.7.1838) see Ann H >> >> KINCAID Ann Henderson, wife of Captain Thomas Kincaid, died at >> Corriebank, 11 Eldon Street >> Greenock on 2nd January 1883 age 69. (Greenock Advertiser & Greenock >> Telegraph >> 3.1.1883) see Elizabeth; Captain Thomas >> >> KINCAID Henderson Kincaid, Greenock, to Marion Arnot, elder daughter of >> William A. Sloan, >> Larkfield, at St James?, Kilmacolm on 29th July 1913 ? p2. (Greenock >> Telegraph 30.7.1913) >> >> >> KINCAID James, 4th son of late Thomas Kincaid, Corriebank, Greenock, died >> at >> Patagones, >> Argentine on 18th October 1903 (Greenock Telegraph 13.11.1903) see Thomas >> >> KINCAID Thomas, 3rd son of late Thomas Kincaid, Corrie Bank, Greenock >> died at Buenos Ayres on >> 8th January 1903 (Greenock Telegraph 10.1.1903) James: Thomas(1884) >> >> >> KINCAID John George, 2nd son of Thomas, Kincaid, Greenock to Margaret >> Grierson, only daughter of >> James Scott, at Kirtlington, Oxford on 8th September 1875 (Greenock >> Telegraph 11.9.1875) >> >> KINCAID William Clark Kincaid, commission agent, youngest son of the late >> Thomas Kincaid, died at >> Corrie Bank, Greenock on 17th December 1908 (Greenock Telegraph >> 18.12.1908) >> see >> Thomas >> >> >> > http://www.inverclyde.gov.uk/GetAsset.aspx?id=fAAyADUANQAwAHwAfABGAGEAbAB > zAG UAfAB8ADAAfAA1 >> >> Barbara ____________________________________________________________________________ _ >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lesley Cains >> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 5:47 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 5, Issue 432 >> >> OMG - obvious typo's - message edited/corrected below with CAPITALS with >> sincere apologies; >> >> Yes, I have looked at the 26-Jun-1730 marriage of JAMES & Janet (OPR >> 479/00 >> 0080 0081 Falkirk reads James Kincaid son of Thomas in Dalderse to Janet >> Simpson daughter of Ales Simpson in Kerse). >> The birth record of their son THOMAS (OPR 470/00 0030 0525 Falkirk >> 11-Jul-1731 witness Alex Simpson and John Kincaid) But ...... >> On 24-Jun-1725 (OPR 479/00 0080 0040 Falkirk) a John Kincaid married a >> Jean >> Kincaid (John Kincaid in Grange son to John Kincaid in Candie to Jean >> Kincaid daughter of Thomas Kincaid in Dalderse. >> The birth record of their son THOMAS (OPR 479/00 0030 0511 Falkirk >> 17-May-1730 witness John Kincaid and Tom Watts. >> >> Both THOMAS Kincaid's born 1730 and 1731 could well be the husband of >> Elizabeth Chiesly (Their wedding OPR's do not show any parents names) - >> Both >> possible fathers of THOMAS Kincaid gave their children similar names, >> making research difficult. >> Though it does look like the common link may be Thomas Kincaid (father of >> both James & Jean) from Dalderse. This would mean the DNA from Thomas in >> Dalderse could be from the Paternal line if JAMES & Janet were parents or >> Maternal if John & Jean were. >> >> Then, if the parents of THOMAS kincaid born 1730/1731 were John and Jean, >> that means I'm looking at a paternal line from John Kincaid in Candie ??? >> I think this would then be a different Kincaid line to Gene from the >> Kincaid >> DNA database. >> >> Thinking logically, following Scottish tradition of naming the 1st born >> male >> child after the child's grandfather, consider John & Jean being the >> parents, they had seven children, the first born son was Thomas, John's >> father was named John. The second son was named Alexander, Jean's father >> was named Thomas (clearly no tradition in this family. >> James & Janet had 13 children and their eldest was named Thomas, James' >> father was named Thomas, Janet's father was Alexander and she named her >> 2nd >> son Alexander. >> >> So to finding other possible DNA samples; Thomas and Elizabeth had 3 >> other children besides John (daughter Elizabeth and son Thomas who died >> in infancy >> - so they are of no help) Their son Alexander (1764-1854) married Jean >> Clark, they had 6 children (1) Thomas 1790-1794 (2) Marion 1792- ? (3) >> James >> 1794- 1855 Orchard Hill married twice, Agnes White and Anne Henderson and >> only had daughters. (4) Thomas (Captain Thomas Kincaid 1796-1884) married >> Anne Henderson, his family is well documented via his 2nd son's shipping >> business John G Kincaid & Co in Renfrewshire, and his other son's travels >> to >> Patagonia Buenos Aires. >> Note, I have not been able to find any of this family line researching >> their >> family tree, and have had no contact with anyone who may be able to help >> (can't really phone up from Australia and say "G'day , sorry to bother >> you but I think you are related to my son from way back in the 1700's and >> would >> you mind just submitting your DNA for me" ...... >> (5) Alexander Kincaid born 1798, I had thought he married Elizabeth Smith >> and that it was his son who became Major John Smith-Kincaid, but recent >> communication with Eric Kincaid's family has now thrown a question about >> this line with the possibility of 2 Alexander & Elizabeths. (6) John >> (1801-1808). >> ____________________________________________________________________________ _______________ >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On >> Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2010 1:37 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: KINCAID Digest, Vol 5, Issue 432 >> >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid toThomas Kincaid >> &Elizabeth Chi... (Peter A. Kincaid) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 11:35:22 -0400 >> From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid toThomas Kincaid >> &Elizabeth Chi... >> To: <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Except that the 17-May-1730 and 11-Jul-1731 baptisms she >> cites were not for a son John but for sons named Thomas. It >> wasThomas Kincaid who married Elizabeth Chiesly not John >> Kincaid. >> >> Just to be clear, even if a mother was a Kincaid when >> we do Y-DNA testing it is the father's DNA that is being >> passed on. There would be no Y-DNA trace of the mother >> in a participant today. >> >> Unfortunately, it is quite likely that the participant has a >> separate paternal lineage than the ancestor in question >> because they match no other Kincaid. Until a matching >> result is found for a participant in another branch of Thomas, >> one assumes that the participant's Y-DNA is not representative >> of the Kincaids of Dalderse or Grange or Candie. Legally >> the participant represents the line but genetic representation is >> another matter. >> >> Peter >> ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 10:50 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid toThomas Kincaid >> &Elizabeth Chi... >> >> >>> WOW - this is a wonderful, thoughtful and scholarly piece of research. >>> Thank you for sharing this with the List. >>> >>> Ruth >>> ____________________________________________________________________________ ________________ >>> In a message dated 12/10/2010 8:13:25 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, >>> [email protected] writes: >>> >>> Thank you Barbara >>> >>> Yes, I have looked at the 26-Jun-1730 marriage of John & Janet (OPR >>> 479/00 >>> 0080 0081 Falkirk reads James Kincaid son of Thomas in Dalderse to >>> Janet Simpson daughter of Ales Simpson in Kerse). >>> The birth record of their son John (OPR 470/00 0030 0525 Falkirk >>> 11-Jul-1731 >>> witness Alex Simpson and John Kincaid) >>> But ...... >>> On 24-Jun-1725 (OPR 479/00 0080 0040 Falkirk) a John Kincaid married a >>> Jean >>> Kincaid (in Grange son to John Kincaid in Candie to Jean Kincaid >>> daughter >>> of >>> Thomas Kincaid in Dalderse. >>> The birth record of their son John (OPR 479/00 0030 0511 Falkirk >>> 17-May-1730 >>> witness John Kincaid and Tom Watts. >>> >>> Both John Kincaid's born 1730 and 1731 could well be the husband of >>> Elizabeth Chiesly (Their wedding OPR's do not show any parents names) - >>> Both possible fathers of John Kincaid gave their children similar >>> names, making research difficult. >>> Though it does look like the common link may be Thomas Kincaid (father >>> of >>> James & Jean) from Dalderse. This would mean the DNA from Thomas in >>> Dalderse >>> could be from the Paternal line if John & Janet were parents or >>> Maternal if >>> John & Jean were. >>> >>> Then, if the parents of John kincaid born 1730/1731 were John and Jean, >>> that >>> means I'm looking at a line from John Kincaid in Candie ??? >>> I think this would then be a different Kincaid line to Gene from the >>> Kincaid >>> DNA database. >>> >>> Thinking logically, following Scottish tradition of naming the 1st born >>> male >>> child after the child's grandfather, consider John & Jean being the >>> parents, they had seven children, the first born son was Thomas, John's >>> father was named John. The second son was named Alexander, Jean's >>> father >>> was named Thomas (clearly no tradition in this family) >>> James & Janet had 13 children and their eldest was named Thomas, James' >>> father was named Thomas, Janet's father was Alexander and she named her >>> 2nd >>> son Alexander. >>> >>> So to finding other possible DNA samples; >>> Thomas and Elizabeth had 3 other children besides John (daughter >>> Elizabeth >>> and son Thomas who died in infancy - so they are of no help) >>> Their son Alexander (1764-1854) married Jean Clark, they had 6 children >>> (1) >>> Thomas 1790-1794 (2) Marion 1792- ? (3) James 1794- 1855 Orchard Hill >>> married twice, Agnes White and Anne Henderson and only had daughters. >>> (4) >>> Thomas (Captain Thomas Kincaid 1796-1884) married Anne Henderson, his >>> family >>> is well documented via his 2nd son's shipping business John G Kincaid & >>> Co >>> in Renfrewshire, and his other son's travels to Patagonia Buenos Aires. >>> Note, I have not been able to find any of this family line researching >>> their >>> family tree, and have had no contact with anyone who may be able to >>> help (can't really phone up from Australia and say "G'day , sorry to >>> bother you >>> but I think you are related to my son from way back in the 1700's and >>> would >>> you mind just submitting your DNA for me" ...... >>> (5) Alexander Kincaid born 1798, I had thought he married Elizabeth >>> Smith >>> and that it was his son who became Major John Smith-Kincaid, but recent >>> communication with Eric Kincaid's family has now thrown a question >>> about this line with the possibility of 2 Alexander & Elizabeths. (6) >>> John (1801-1808). >>> >>> Interesting article at >>> >> > http://www.falkirk.gov.uk/services/corporate_neighbourhood/housing/polici > es_ >>> and_strategies/PDFs/dawson/april_2006_newsletter.pdf >>> >>> The farmer occupying Dalderse Mill Farm in 1876 were the >>> Kincaid family and in 1810 it was Thomas McGregor and he >>> was succeed by Andrew Mackie who died in 1831. >>> The farmer at Dalderse Farm in 1871 was Robert Buchan >>> and his farmland appears to be the area that was the >>> grounds of Dalderse Mansion House, north and west of >>> Bainsford Burn. >>> In 1876, about halfway between Dalderse Farmhouse and >>> the Forth & Clyde Canal on Abbot's Road, a large house >>> Orchard Hall was built and it had quite large grounds. >>> The owners were Alex. Vernon Macall, Fleet Paymaster of >>> H.M. Navy, Southsea, his wife, Jane Clark Kincaid or Macall >>> and her sister, Margaret Kincaid. However by 1891, Margaret >>> Walker Forrester was apparently living at Orchard Hall. >>> >>> Note - Jane Clark Kincaid was the daughter of James Kincaid and Agnes >>> Wilson >>> born in 1846, her father died at Orchard Hill and she had a sister >>> Margaret. >>> Back to John Kincaid born 1730/1731, the common grandfather was Thomas >>> Kincaid of Dalderse to both possible sets of John's parents. >>> >>> All suggestions, comments etc gratefully received. >>> ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of [email protected] >>> Sent: Saturday, 11 December 2010 8:37 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: KINCAID Digest, Vol 5, Issue 429 >>> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Kincaids of Edinburgh in the 1500's (Barbara Van Hout) >>> 2. Re: Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid toThomas Kincaid and >>> Elizabeth Chielsy (Barbara Van Hout) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:29:11 -0500 >>> From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaids of Edinburgh in the 1500's >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> >> > http://www.electricscotland.com/history/records/scottishrecordso31scotuof > t.p >>> df >>> >>> There is a David Kincaid, wife Elizabeth or Isabel Cockburn, with a son >>> John >>> Kincaid in these records. Also mentioned are Cuthbert Kincaid, James >>> Kincaid, Sr. & Jr., Stephen Kincaid, and Edward Kincaid, Burgess of >>> Edinburgh. >>> >>> The list is on p. 113 of the above link to the ?Protocol Book of >>> Gilbert Grote, 1552-1573.? >>> >>> How were the Edinburgh Kincaids related to the James Kincaid family of >>> Campsie? >>> >>> >>> Barbara >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:36:40 -0500 >>> From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid toThomas Kincaid >>> and Elizabeth Chielsy >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Sue, I agree with you that it would be good to get another sample from >>> this >>> Kincaid family of Falkirk. >>> >>> The Family Search website gives James Kincaid (son of Thomas) and Janet >>> Simson/Simpson (daughter of Alexander) as the parents of Thomas >>> Kincaid/Elizabeth Chiesly. Which Thomas was the possible father of >>> James/Janet who married >>> Aug. 7, 1730 in Falkirk, Sterling, Scotland according to church >>> records. >>> >>> Barbara >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sue Liedtke >>> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 5:29 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid toThomas >>> kincaidand >>> Elizabeth Chielsy >>> >>> I agree that the paper work is excellant. Lesley has worked very hard >>> to get >>> all her ducks in a row but I am still hesitent to mark the line as >>> fully vetted without a close match. The problem is not that this isn't >>> a true family line but that a vetted line says that the DNA profile is >>> that of the >>> given ancestor. That is a primary reason for vetting. In this case we >>> don't >>> know if this is Thomas's DNA profile or not. There may have been an >>> unrecorded non-Kincaid paternal event somewhere along the line. >>> >>> It is not just that Martyn doesn't match Gene. If he had matched anyone >>> in >>> any Group, even someone in the ungrouped section if it could be shown >>> that >>> the ancestral lines did not merge in recent times, then I would not a >>> see >>> a >>> problem. >>> >>> All vetted lines have a near DNA match. We held off vetting #168724 >>> until >>> a >>> confirming DNA sample could be tested. Many participants have had to >>> find >>> someone for testing in order to isolate a mutation before they could be >>> vetted to a specific ancestor. >>> >>> I know that Lesley has struck out in trying to get a DNA sample from >>> the line of one of Charles' other sons. I am wondering if it is >>> possible to trace a line down from John? >>> >>> Sue Liedtke >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:58 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid to Thomas >>> kincaidand >>> Elizabeth Chielsy >>> >>> >>> I believe Lesley has done an excellent job in documenting the lineage >>> of Martyn Stuart Kincaid to Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth Cheisley. There >>> are not >>> many who are documented as well as this one. One of the other well >>> documented ones is for Gene Kincaid, #23547 who shows back to Falkirk >>> Parish >>> in Scotland like Martyn shows so I understand Sue's apprehension on >>> vetting >>> Martyn since his dna does not match with 23547. With the excellent >>> documentation for Martyn, I believe we should show him as vetted. One >>> big >>> reason I believe we should vet Martyn is that there could easily be 2 >>> lines >>> of Kincaid's in Falkirk Parish just as we have found 2 different lines >>> of >>> Kincaid's living next to each other in the Colonies in several >>> instances. >>> If >>> we did not have another participant showing to Falkirk Parish, would >>> anyone >>> have an objection to Martyn's lineage being vetted? I doubt anyone >>> would, >>> given the excellent documentation. If vetted, I would not object to >>> having >>> a >>> note stating that dna results have not confirmed Martyn's lineage to >>> Falkirk >>> or a similar statement. >>> >>> Don, # 1427 >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Sue Liedtke >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid to Thomas >>> kincaidand >>> Elizabeth Chielsy >>> >>> >>> This is the 2nd call for comments on the post seeking to vet #186057 to >>> Thomas/Elizabeth Chiesly. I have asked that comments be directed to the >>> paper trail as a separate entity from the DNA as I have a question as >>> to the >>> advisability of vetting a line without a confirming DNA sample from the >>> furthest ancestor. >>> >>> Normally it takes 2 identical samples from the lines of different sons >>> of >>> a >>> given ancestor to prove the DNA of that ancestor. In most cases we can >>> get >>> around this because we have identical DNA from other Kincaids whose >>> ancestors pre-date the given ancestor or could be descended from the >>> same >>> ancestor by a different son. In cases where there is an unexpected >>> significant mutation, that mutation needs to be isolated before the >>> line can >>> be vetted. As an example:49289 has an unexpected mutation to 9 at >>> marker 15. >>> This is a significant mutation as it is used to separate A-2 Kincaids >>> from >>> A-1 Kincaids, however no other Kincaid (and there are many >>> participants) in >>> the immediate geographic region has this mutation. #49289 could not be >>> vetted until #135736 who does not have the mutation could be vetted to >>> a common ancestor (note other unvetted lines from this ancestor do not >>> have >>> the mutation). >>> >>> In the case of #186057 we do not have identical DNA from anyone else in >>> the >>> project. While Thomas/Elizabeth Chiesly may very well be represented by >>> # 186057's DNA, there is also the possibility that an undisclosed >>> non-Kincaid >>> paternal event occurred somewhere along the line. This needs to be >>> ruled out >>> with confirming DNA. >>> >>> Non the less, it would be of immense value to know if the paper >>> research is >>> sound i.e if the DNA were confirmed could this line be vetted. This >>> would >>> facilitate finding a participant from a different son's line to be >>> tested >>> for confirming DNA. Please look over the paper trail and comment. >>> >>> Sue Liedtke >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lesley Cains" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 3:31 AM >>> Subject: [KINCAID] Vetting #186057 Martyn Kincaid to Thomas kincaid and >>> Elizabeth Chielsy >>> >>> >>> >>> Vetting Martyn Stuart Kincaid to Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth Cheisley >>> Martyn Kincaid DNA kit #186057 >>> Researcher : Lesley Sharon Cains, mother of Martyn Stuart Kincaid and >>> ex wife of Alan John Kincaid >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Martyn Stuart Kincaid 'Living' b.1987, Lilydale,Victoria Australia not >>> married. >>> >>> Proven by; >>> >>> Australian birth certificate (original available) for Martyn Stuart >>> Kincaid; >>> parents listed as Alan John Kincaid and Lesley Sharon Kincaid nee >>> Cains. >>> >>> Personal knowledge; I know my son is the son of Alan John Kincaid. >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Alan John Kincaid 'Living" b.1957 Carlton Victoria Australia m Lesley >>> Sharon >>> Cains in 1986 at Numurkah Victoria Australia (certificate available). >>> >>> Son of Bertram Langley Kincaid and Dorothy Dawn Nash. >>> >>> Proven by; >>> >>> Australian birth certificate for Alan John Kincaid listing parents as >>> Bertram Langley Kincaid and Dorothy Dawn Nash. >>> >>> Personal knowledge; I personally know the parents and siblings of Alan >>> John >>> Kincaid all of whom acknowledge him as the son of Bertram Langley >>> Kincaid. >>> >>> The parents and 3 of the 4 siblings of Alan John Kincaid are all still >>> living. >>> >>> The siblings of Alan John Kincaid are Robert Charles Kincaid, Karen >>> Eileen >>> Kincaid, Helen Jean Kincaid and Heather Kincaid (1963-1963). >>> _____________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Bertram Langley Kincaid 'Living' b.1930 Daylesford, Victoria Australia >>> m >>> Dorothy Dawn Nash 16 October 1955 Camberwell Victoria Australia. >>> >>> Son of Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and Sarah Rita Waters (both >>> deceased). >>> >>> Proven by; >>> >>> Australian birth certificate for Bertram Langley Kincaid listing his >>> parents >>> as Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and Sarah Rita Waters, as confirmed by >>> Bertram Langley Kincaid who resides in Victoria Australia. >>> >>> Australian death certificate's (copies available) for Arthur Charles >>> Nelson >>> Kincaid and Sarah Rita Kincaid (nee Waters) listing Bertram Langley >>> Kincaid >>> as their son, and also Bertram's siblings John (dec'd), Eileen (dec'd), >>> Valma and Arthur David. >>> >>> Australian Electoral Roll records 1954 showing Bertram Langley Kincaid >>> living at the home of Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and Sarah Rita >>> Kincaid >>> with his siblings Arthur and John. >>> >>> Springvale Victoria Australia crematorium records for Arthur Charles >>> Nelson >>> Kincaid and Sarah Rita Kincaid. Website look up; >>> >>> >> > http://www.deceasedsearch.com/index.php?page=search&s_res=GO&cid=330&Give > n_N >>> ames=&Surname=kincaid&Surname_ex=&hw_num=100 >>> >>> Personal knowledge; I personally knew both parents of Bertram Langley >>> Kincaid and attended their funeral services. >>> I personally knew both Valma Jean Kincaid and Arthur David Kincaid >>> (both >>> now >>> deceased) siblings of Bertram Langley Kincaid. >>> The family also told me of Eileen Hilda Kincaid, sister of Bertram >>> Langley >>> Kincaid who married William St Dennis and migrated to the United >>> States, her >>> social security death index ssn 037-20-3410 Rhode Island date of death >>> August 1976, and California passenger & Crew list showing Eileen St >>> Denis >>> & >>> William St Denis arriving in California 12 Sep 1946, with Eileen on an >>> Australian passport with notation of her maiden name confirms what the >>> family have related to me. >>> Alan John Kincaid also told of Bertram's deceased brother John Charles >>> Kincaid who died alone following an accident in his home in 1978 as >>> proven >>> by his obituary and Springvale Crematorium records. >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid b. 7 January 1902 Daylesford Victoria >>> Australia m Sarah Rita Waters 24 March 1922 Mildura Victoria Australia >>> (certificate available). >>> >>> Son of Charles Langley Kincaid and Elizabeth Nelson. >>> >>> Proven by; >>> >>> Australian birth record #2384 (copy available) for Arthur Charles >>> Nelson Kincaid DOB as 7 January 1902 listing his parents as Charles >>> Kincaid (a Miner aged 42) and Elizabeth Kincaid, formerly Nelson (aged >>> 42) living at >>> Eganstown Victoria, who were married 13 April 1891. Siblings shown on >>> the >>> certificate are Grace Cowling Kincaid, Alice Kincaid, Eliza Kincaid, >>> Clarice >>> Kincaid and Helena Kincaid (dec'd). >>> >>> Australian marriage record #558 (copy available) for Arthur Charles >>> Nelson >>> Kincaid and Sarah Rita Waters married on 24 March 1922 at St Margaret's >>> Vicarage Mildura, listing Arthur's father as Charles Langley Kincaid, a >>> Miner as his father and Elizabeth Nelson as his mother. >>> >>> Australian death record #12575/83 (copy available) for Arthur Charles >>> Nelson >>> Kincaid date of death 6 June 1983 at Heatherton Victoria Australia, >>> retired >>> aged 81 years and born in Daylesford Victoria. Fathers name showing as >>> Charles Kincaid and mother as Elizabeth Kincaid (maiden name Nelson), >>> certified by his wife Sarah (known as Rita) Kincaid. This certificate >>> also >>> shows Arthur was 20 years old when he married Sarah Rita Waters in >>> Mildura >>> and that he was still married at the time of his death, children listed >>> as >>> Arthur aged 61 yrs, Valma aged 59 yrs, Eileen (deceased), John >>> (deceased), >>> Bertram aged 53 years. >>> >>> Australian Electoral Roll's for the years 1924, 1931, 1936, 1937 and >>> 1949 >>> detailing his address and family members (available to view on >>> Ancestry.com). >>> >>> An on-line Australian newspaper Archive record detailing the death of >>> his >>> sister Clarice Leona Kincaid and recording that her body was identified >>> by >>> her brother Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid reads; "Found dead in the >>> bush, >>> died from exposure, exhaustion and natural causes (refer to inquest & >>> newpaper articles), VPRS 24/P Unit 1031 File 92 Clarice Leona Kincaid >>> died >>> on or about 28 Dec 1922 from exhaustion during the first stages of >>> labour. >>> Body identified by brother - Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid (stonemason) >>> residing at Victoria park Daylesford. Arthur Angove aged 16 from >>> Daylesord >>> was one of those that found her along with Frank Stevens and James >>> Langdon >>> who were bird nesting on Angus Hill, on the Cornish Reef". (ref; >>> >>> >> > http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1871036?searchTerm=clarice+k > inc >>> aid). >>> >>> Springvale Victoria Crematorium records showing that he was cremated 8 >>> June >>> 1983. >>> >>> Personal knowledge; I personally knew Arthur Charles Nelson Kincaid and >>> visited his home with Alan John Kincaid, I also attended his funeral >>> service. I identified the address' given in the Australian Electoral >>> Roll's >>> from my visits to his home, and the earlier address' from when I took >>> Sarah >>> Rita Kincaid back To Daylesford and she showed me her old home. Sarah >>> Rita >>> Kincaid also took me to her own parents' grave, explaining that Arthur >>> Charles Nelson Kincaid was a stonemason by trade and made her parents >>> tombstone and many others in the Kyneton & Daylesford area. Sarah told >>> me >>> they had named their son Bertram Langley Kincaid after Arthur's father >>> Charles Langley Kincaid. >>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Charles Langley Kincaid b.21 Apr 1859 Mt Egerton Victoria Australia m >>> Elizabeth Nelson 30 April 1891 Daylesford Victoria (certificate >>> available). >>> >>> Son of Thomas William Kincaid and Eliza Rae. >>> >>> Proven by; >>> >>> Australian birth record #154 (copy available) for Charles Langley >>> Kincaid >>> DOB as 21 April 1859 at Mount Egerton Victoria, details show father as >>> Thomas William Kincaid a Miner in aged 36 years and born Cape of Good >>> Hope, >>> marriage details on this record for Thomas William Kincaid given as >>> "1845 >>> Stepney London", other children "Thomas Kincaid and Alconda Degney >>> Kincaid". >>> Mother as Eliza Kincaid formerly Rae, aged 31 years from Waterford >>> Ireland >>> and signed by Thomas William Kincaid, father. >>> >>> Australian marriage record #4032 (copy available) for Charles Langley >>> Kincaid and Eliza Nelson 30 April 1891 at the Bible Christian parsonage >>> Daylesford. This record details Charles aged as 32 years as son of >>> Thomas >>> William Kincaid a Miner, and Elizabeth Rae. >>> >>> Australian death record #1813 (copy available) for Charles Langley >>> Kincaid, >>> a Miner died 28 May 1931 at the District Hospital Daylesford aged 72 >>> years, >>> his parents are given as Thomas William Kincaid and Elizabeth Kincaid >>> formerly Rae. It shows Charles was buried on 30 May 1931 at Daylesford >>> cemetery and that he was born in Eganstown and had lived in Victoria >>> his whole life. His children are listed as Grace 39 years, Alice 38 >>> years, Myrtle 35 years, Clarice (deceased) and Arthur 29 years. >>> >>> Australian Electoral Roll's for the years 1914, 1924 and 1928 detailing >>> his >>> address and family members. >>> >>> Obituary; (1) THE DAYLESFORD ADVOCATE Friday, May 29, 1931 FUNERAL >>> NOTICE >>> KINCAID -The friends of the late Mr. Charles Langley Kincaid are >>> respectfully informed that his remains will be interred in the >>> Dayiesford >>> Cemetery TOMORROW (Saturday) May 30. The Funeral is appointed to leave >>> the >>> mortuary parlour of R. F. Verey at 1.30 pm. R. F. Verey, Funeral >>> Director. >>> Phone 245. (2) THE DAYLESFORD ADVOCATE Tuesday 2 June, 1931 OBITUARY >>> CHARLES >>> LANGLEY KINCAID The death occurred on Thursday morning last, of Mr >>> Charles >>> Langley Kincaid, after a long illness, at the age of 72 years. The late >>> Mr. >>> Kincaid was born in Eganstown district, and had resided in this >>> locality all >>> his life. For many years he was connected to the mining industry. Mrs. >>> Kincaid and an adult family of three daughters and one son survive to >>> mourn >>> their loss, one daughter having predeceased Mr. Kincaid some years ago. >>> The >>> funeral took place on Saturday afternoon, and was largely attended. The >>> casket was carried by Messrs. M. Dickson, W. Spear, W. Burnett >>> (sons-in-law), C. Nelson (nephew), A. Dickson and J. Dickson. Rev. S. >>> D. Yarrington conducted the service at the graveside, and the funeral >>> arrangements were in the hands of Mr. R. F. Verey. >>> >>> Grave; Grave C of E 4 C 6 In loving memory of Charles Langley Kincaid, >>> Elizabeth Kincaid, and Grace Cowling Dickson died 18 Feb, 1982. >>> >>> The personal knowledge of his grandson Bertram Langley Kincaid, who has >>> confirmed the above for me. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Thomas William Kincaid b.2 August 1823 Cape of Good Hope, South Africa >>> m (i) >>> Elizabeth Catherine Barrett on 18 May 1845 Stepney London (certificate >>> available). Elizabeth Catherine Barratt died 13 March 1850. This >>> marriage >>> produced one child, Thomas Hardie Kincaid b. 16 February 1849 >>> (certificate >>> available) Rotherhithe England and died 3 February 1929 at Rotherhithe >>> London UK. >>> >>> Thomas William Kincaid b.2 August 1823 Cape of Good Hope, South Africa >>> m (ii) Eliza Rae on 16 Nov 1850 Victoria Australia >>> >>> Son of Charles Kincaid and Hillegonda Sophia Row. >>> >>> Proven by; >>> >>> Beaufort West, South Africa Baptism register on microfilm number 5-39, >>> "Child Thomas William born 2 August 1823, baptised 17 August 1823. >>> Parents >>> Charles Kincaid, Hilegonda [sic] Sophia Roow [sic]. Witnesses Joseph >>> Cleaver, Susanna Frederica Roow [sic], Willem Roow[sic], Anna >>> Roow[sic]". >>> (photograph of document ordered from GISA and available November >>> 2010). >>> >>> Beaufort West South Africa Baptism record, born 2 August 1823, baptised >>> 17 >>> August 1823 as per the SA Genealogies by Lombard & Hesse, page 277 >>> (this record purchased from GISA, Genealogy Institute of South >>> Africa) and also >>> provided by contact with Joy Roy (a descendant of Thomas William >>> Kincaid >>> and professional researcher), Heather McAllister and Tessa King >>> (Administrators for Ancestry24.com). >>> >>> Details taken from the - UK Marriage record for Thomas William Kincaid >>> (of >>> full age, a Mariner Chief Officer - son of Charles Kincaid, a sadler) >>> to Elizabeth Catherine Barratt (with consent of parents) on 18 May >>> 1845 at St >>> Thomas' Church Stepney UK, witnessed by William Brown & Sophia Barratt >>> (copy >>> available). >>> >>> Taken from the - UK Birth record (copy available) of Thomas Hardie >>> Kincaid >>> 16 February 1849, father given as Thomas William Kincaid (Master >>> Mariner) >>> mother as Elizabeth Catherine Kincaid formerly Barratt. >>> >>> Taken from the - Australian Death record #14665 (copy on available) 14 >>> December 1903 at Leonards Hill Victoria Australia, Thomas William >>> Kincaid >>> aged 80 years. His father was recorded as John Kincaid, profession >>> unknown, >>> information on this record was detailed as being provided by his son >>> John >>> Rae Kincaid. He was buried on 16 December 1903 at Eganstown Public >>> cemetery, >>> and shows he had lived 50 years in Victoria. Place of birth given as >>> Cape >>> Town, Cape Colony South Africa, married to Eliza Rae (not living). The >>> children of Thomas William Kincaid are listed as Charles 44 years, >>> Janet 42 >>> years, John 40 years, Margaret 38 years, Annie 36 years, Isabella 34 >>> years, >>> Eliza 32 years, Thomas William 30 years and Alconda (deceased). >>> >>> The Australian birth records (copies available) for the Children of >>> Thomas >>> William Kincaid & Eliza Rae for Charles Langley 1859, John Rae 1863, >>> Annie >>> Eliza 1868, Elizabeth 1873, Thomas William 1875 all detailing the >>> father and >>> his place of birth as The cape of Good Hope. >>> >>> The birth certificate's for Thomas William Kincaid's children; John >>> Rae Kincaid in 1863 details Thomas William Kincaid & Eliza Rae married >>> in Melbourne 1851. On Annie Eliza's record it details 'Melbourne', on >>> Elizabeth's as 16 November 1850 and on Thomas' 1875 birth record as 26 >>> November 1850. >>> >>> Australian death record (copy available) for daughter Alconda Kincaid >>> aged >>> 14 years 27 May 1870 in Eganstown details her parents as Thomas William >>> Kincaid and Eliza Kincaid, and that Alconda was born in Newstead, >>> Melbourne >>> Victoria Australia. >>> >>> The Australian marriage certificate for daughter Janet Hardie Kincaid >>> (copy >>> available) 25 October 1887 shows her parents as Thomas William Kincaid >>> and >>> Eliza Kincaid nee Rae, on her death record in 1933 (copy available) her >>> parents were given as John Kincaid (a Miner) and Eliza Kincaid formerly >>> Rae >>> as provided by S Brown, authorised agent >>> >>> When youngest son Thomas William Kincaid died in 1959 at aged 84 his >>> parents >>> were listed as unknown. >>> >>> Australian 1903 Electoral Roll showing Thomas William Kincaid living at >>> Leonards Hill Victoria, occupation Miner. >>> Australian Rate Books - Mt Franklin Victoria from 1872 - 1902 >>> >>> Australian Newspaper Archive - Daylesford Advocate Thursday 17 December >>> 1903 >>> - The late Mr Kincaid; The remains of Mr T W Kincaid were interred in >>> the >>> Eganstown Public Cemetery yesterday. The funeral started from his late >>> residence at Leonard's Hill and comprised of mourners in eight >>> conveyances >>> and seven horsemen. The bearers were Messers Kramer, Aldridge, McKidrew >>> (2), >>> Ladigus and Blackwell, Mr Taylor read the burial service. Messer's >>> Verey Bros had charge of the mortuary arrangements. >>> _____________________________________________________ >>> >>> Charles Kincaid b.3 May 1791 m (i) Hillegonda Sophia Row on 3 August >>> 1818 >>> Cape of Good Hope (Hillegonda born 1800, died 4 February 1831). >>> >>> Charles Kincaid b.3 May 1791 m (ii) Christina Johanna Marian Sporkman, >>> widow >>> of John Herbert 12 October 1846 Cape of Good Hope (copy available). >>> >>> Son of John Kincaid and Margaret Gaff >>> >>> Proven by; >>> >>> Scottish OPR record 487/0010 0356 (copy on available) detailing "John >>> Kincaid and Margaret Gaff, their son named Charles was born 3 May 1791 >>> and >>> baptised 8 May, witness' Thomas Kincaid and John Gibb". >>> >>> Website - Old Polmont Church (note - please note that not all details >>> on this website are accurate eg Sir John Kincaid given as never >>> married, he in >>> fact married Louisa Frisbee a month before his death). refer >>> www.polmontold.org.uk/hist1845part06.html >>> >>>> From the list of passengers arriving in South Africa on board the Ship >>> 'The >>> Brilliant' in 1817, Charles Kincaid was part of a group of Scottish >>> Artisans >>> organised by Benjamin Moodie. >>> >>>> From the Book - British Residents at the Cape 1795-1819, by David >>>> Phillip >>> page 222, in part reads - "Kincaid, Charles, saddler single arrived 4 >>> June >>> 1817 Table Bay, in Brilliant ex Downs under Moodies direction. 2 August >>> 1817 >>> has commenced business (saddle, cap and harness maker). 3 August 1818 >>> marriage of CK of Falkirk, Stirling aged 27 to Hillegonda Sophia d,o, >>> Robt. >>> Row aged 18. 6 June 1819 baptised their son John Robert. 18 March 1821 >>> baptised of their son Charles Langley". >>> >>>> From the National Archives of South Africa - in 1818 'memorials >>>> received, >>> Charles Kincaid requesting permission to remain in the Colony. >>> >>>> From the National Archives of South Africa - Charles Kincaid aged 27, >>> birthplace Falkirk Stirling married at The English Church to Hillegonda >>> Sophia Row aged 18 born at The Cape on 3 August 1818 as published in >>> The Capetown Gazette. >>> >>> Marriage certificate (copy available) Charles Kincaid (widower, >>> occupation >>> Sadler) married in Paarl South Africa to Christina Johanna Maria >>> Sporkman >>> (widow). >>> >>> Death certificate #2505 (copy available) Charles Kincaid born in >>> Scotland, >>> married died on 5 March 1866. Lists the children of his 2nds wife's >>> previous marriage and John Robert Kincaid as son with Hillegonda >>> Sophia. >>> >>>> From the National Archives of South Africa - Charles Kincaid will >>>> filed >>> 1866. >>> >>>> From the South African Commercial Advisor - (1) 1826, a daughter of >>>> Mr C >>> Kincaid baptised Jessy, (2) 1829 a son of Mr Charles Kincaid baptised >>> Alexander Row, (3) 1831 February 4, Sophia Kincaid wife of Mr C Kincaid >>> died >>> aged 30 years and 6 months. >>> >>> Reference; book - "This I'll Defend, The Story of the Kincaid's by Bill >>> Kincaid" >>> >>> Reference; pamphlet obtained in full from The National Archives of >>> South Africa "The Kincaid Family in South Africa" by JJ Scheepers and >>> confirmed >>> by >>> Leonard Kincaid who resides in South Africa son of Joy Scheepers & >>> Donald >>> Kincaid descendants of John Robert Kincaid b.1819 at the Cape of Good >>> Hope. >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> John Kincaid b.10 June 1762 Polmont Stirlingshire Scotland m Margaret >>> Gaff >>> (marriage on OPR's shows 20 Nov 1784 Bothkennar & 16 Dec 1784 as the >>> Proclamation Polmont for both parties) >>> >>> Son of Thomas Kincaid and Elizabeth Chiesly (Cheesley) >>> >>> Proven by; >>> >>> Scottish OPR Baptism record 487/0010 0084 13 June 1762, "Thomas Kincaid >>> & >>> Elizabeth Chiesly their son named John was born 10 June and baptised 13 >>> June, witness' Alexander and Robert Kincaid and John Clark". (Copy >>> Available) >>> >>> Scottish OPR marriage record 473/000010/0260 20th November 1784 >>> marriage bans, naming John Kincaid if Dalbeath. "(copy available). >>> >>> Falkirk Churchyard Grave 184, John Kincaid death 11 February 1794 aged >>> 33 >>> years. >>> >>> Reference; book - Mitchell, John Fowler. Monumental inscriptions (pre >>> 1855) >>> in East Stirlingshire. Edinburgh: Scottish Genealogy Society, 1972]. >>> "John Kincaid, 1st son of Thos Kincaid & Eliz Chislie, age 33, at >>> Carronflats on 11 February 1794; John's wife, Margt Gaff, age 85, on 5 >>> February 1844; John's 1st son, Thos Kincaid, age 63, at Glasgow on 31 >>> December 1848; John's youngest son, Alex Kincaid, age 17, having >>> drowned by >>> shipwreck on coast of Durham on 27 January 1806; John's 2nd son, John >>> Kincaid, 76, at Hastings on 23 April 1862, (having entered the army in >>> 1809 >>> & served throughout the Peninsular war with Rifle Brigade, knighted >>> 1852, >>> senior exon of HM Royal Bodyguard & for many years government >>> inspector of >>> prisons & factories for Scotland); John's (Margt Gaff) only daughter, >>> Margt >>> Kincaid, age 71, widow of the late Peter Hardie, merchant in Leith, on >>> 6 October 1863; and John's 3rd son, Charles Kincaid, age 73, at Pearl >>> Cape of >>> Good Hope on 5 March 1866" (Note - Information provided by both Peter A >>> Kincaid, Canada and also Ann Taylor, nee Kincaid England UK and >>> confirmed >>> verbally that this Book available from the National Library of >>> Australia, >>> Canberra Australia, copies of relevant extracts pending). >>> >>> Reference; made available courtesy of Peter A Kincaid, Canada. >>> "John Kincaid, son of Thomas Kincaid, farmer, Newlands, as heir to >>> Alexander >>> Chiesly, Tenant, Newlands, his grandfather, seised, Oct. 18. 1788, -in >>> part >>> of Bothkennar called Dalbeith, with Ferry Boat & fishing in Carron, & >>> Teinds, par. Bothkennar; -on Pr. Chan. Oct. 7. 1788. P.R. 30. 184. >>> [Abridgement of Sasines, Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. 1, no. 1394. >>> Registered >>> 20 October 1788]". >>> "John Kincaid of Dalbaith, as heir to Elizabeth Chiesly, his mother, >>> seised, >>> Oct. 18. 1788, -in part of Bothkennar called Dalbaith, with Ferry Boat, >>> and >>> Fishing in Carron, par. Bothkennar; -on Pr. Cl. Con. by himself, Oct. >>> 18. >>> 1788. P.R. 30.185. [Abridgement of Sasines, Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. >>> 1, >>> no. 1395. Registered 20 October 1788]". >>> "John Kincaid of Dalbaith, gets Resig. ad Rem. Oct. 18. 1788, -of part >>> of >>> Bothkennar called Dalbaith, with Ferry Boat, & Fishing in Carron, par. >>> Bothkennar; -on Proc. resig. by himself, Oct. 18. 1788. P.R. 30. 186. >>> [Abridgement of Sasines, Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. 1, no. 1396. >>> Registered >>> 20 October 1788]". >>> "The Trustees of John Kincaid of Dalbaith, seised, Mar. 22. 1800, -in >>> an Oxengate of land of Bothkennar called Dalbaith with the Ferry Boat >>> and part >>> of the fishing of the Water of Carron, and Teinds; (&2 Oxengates of >>> land of >>> the lands of Bothkennar in warrandice), par. Bothkennar; -under burden >>> of >>> ?50 each to John, Alexander, and Charles Kincaid, and 500 Merks Scots >>> to Margaret Kincaid, younger children of the said John Kincaid, &c; -on >>> Disp. >>> & >>> Settlement by the said John Kincaid, & Margaret Gaff, his spouse, Sept. >>> 6. >>> 1793. P.R. 36.35. [Abridgement of Sasines, Stirling, 1781-1820, vol. >>> 1, no. >>> 3904. Registered 20 May 1800]". >>> >>> Reference; book - "This I'll Defend, The Story of the Kincaid's by Bill >>> Kincaid" >>> >>> Reference; Book - "Adventures of The Rifle Brigade" by sibling Sir John >>> Kincaid detailing his family, father John Kincaid. >>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Thomas Kincaid b. circa 1731 Falkirk Scotland m Elizabeth Chiesly 12 >>> July >>> 1761. >>> >>> Son of (unknown - possible either of James Kincaid & Janet Simson, or >>> John >>> Kincaid & Jean Kincaid) >>> >>> Proven by; >>> >>> Marriage record - Scottish OPR Marriage Ban 479/00008 00237 10 July >>> 1761 Falkirk, and Scottish OPR Marriage proclamation Polmont 487/00002 >>> 0016 (copies available) this record names Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth >>> Chielsy but >>> neither of their parents. >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Other resources used; >>> Ancestry.com record search for BDM records, Census returns, travel >>> records, >>> Australian Electoral Rolls. >>> Ancestry24.com for South African research re BDM's, Wills and >>> application >>> to >>> remain in the Colony. >>> Ancestry.Co.ZA to view & purchase South African death records. >>> Scotslands People (www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk) record search for OPR >>> records >>> re BDM's, Census & Wills. >>> GISA (Genealogical Institute of South Africa) for South African family >>> history records. >>> NAAIRS for South African records re BDM's, Wills and application to >>> remain >>> in the Colony etc. >>> Book - British Residents at The Cape 1795-1819 by David Phillip. >>> On-Line Book - Extracts of Marriages at The Cape of Good Hope >>> 1806-1821. On-Line Book - Extracts of Baptisms at The Cape of Good >>> Hope 1806-1821 192.com for UK contacts. >>> Springvale Crematorium Records for confirming Australian deaths. >>> The Australian National Archives. >>> The Australian National Library. >>> The Victorian Government Public Records Office. >>> The Victorian Registry of Birth, Deaths & Marriages. >>> The Daylesford Family History Society. >>> The Australian WW2 Nominal Roll. >>> The Kincaid family living in Australia. >>> Trove - Australian newspapers on line. >>> London newspaper archives on line. >>> Edinburgh newspaper archives on line. >>> The Genealogical Society of South Africa historical newspapers on line. >>> Google. >>> >>> Note - Australia does not have census returns as these are not archived >>> after the government has collated the data it requires. >>> >>> > __________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Footnote's - >>> >>> John Kincaid & Margaret Gaff had 5 children; >>> Son Thomas, a Merchant baptised 30 October 1785, died 31 December 1848. >>> Married Isabella Balloch 17 January 1818 and produced 5 sons and 5 >>> daughters >>> per the OPR records. OPR & BDM records show that 4 of the sons died >>> without >>> marrying, and John living in Lancashire unmarried aged 60 yrs in 1881. >>> Son John Kincaid baptised 29 July 1787, died 23 April 1862. Married >>> Louisa >>> Frisbee 19 March 1862, no children. >>> Son Alexander christened 7 June 1789, died in a shipwreck 27 January >>> 1806. >>> Never married, no children. >>> Son Charles as detailed above in vetting. >>> Daughter Margaret christened 22 July 1795, died 6 October 1863. Married >>> Peter Hardie 8 March 1811 and produced 4 sons and 1 daughter. Both her >>> son's Thomas Kincaid Hardie and John Hardie travelled to Australia in >>> search >>> of gold. Thomas married Janet Hoyle in Victoria 1848, returning to the >>> UK >>> to >>> 'live off his own means' as a 'retired Australian Squatter'. John >>> married >>> Elizabeth Hoyle in Victoria Australia 1841, this couple also returned >>> to the >>> UK. >>> >>> Thomas Kincaid & Elizabeth Cheisly's son Alexander b.1764 married Jean >>> Clark. This couple had 6 children, their son Thomas b.1796 was >>> 'Captain Thomas Kincaid - Shipmaster' who married Ann Henderson. >>> Two of Thomas & Ann's sons died overseas - Alexander b.1839 died 1892 >>> in Buenos Ayres and James b.1903 died in 1903 Patagonia Argentina. >>> Their 2nd >>> eldest of their son's , John George Kincaid born in 1840 founded J G >>> Kincaid Shipping in Inverclyde. John G Kincaid married Margaret >>> Grierson, >>> their eldest son Thomas Lennox Kincaid b.1877 travelled to Australia >>> settling in NSW. He married there in 1936 and died in December 1940, >>> (His >>> death certificate is available). His wife's son by her 1st marriage, >>> Hilton >>> Grenville Marcuso who had links to the notorious Kings Cross criminal >>> underworld, took the Kincaid surname, and died in NSW Australia in >>> 1975. >>> >>> Hillegonda Sophia Row, wife of Charles Kincaid - was born at The Cape >>> of Good Hope in 1800 and dies at aged 31 on 4 February 1831 as listed >>> in the >>> South African Commercial Adviser. >>> Hillegonda was the daughter of Englishman Robert Row and Helena >>> Wilhelma Aspeling. Helena & Robert married at The Cape on 14 April >>> 1800, she was the >>> widow of Lambrecht Van der Woord and had two children by him (Johanna >>> Louise >>> and Jan Christian). >>> Helena and Robert had 3 other children; >>> Susannah Frederika Row 1802 - 1831. Susannah married Joseph Cleaver >>> (soap >>> manufacturer) in 1823 at Beaufort West and this couple were witness' to >>> the >>> marriage of Hillegonda & Charles Kincaid's son Thomas William Kincaid's >>> baptism at the Dutch Reformed Church in Beaufort West August 1823. They >>> had >>> one child, a daughter Ann born in 1824 and died in 1825. Joseph >>> Cleaver died in 1824. >>> Johanna Margaretha Row 1802-1848. Johanna married Samuel Mollett in >>> 1834. >>> Robert James Row 1809-1839. >>> Hillegonda's mother was Hillegonda Kotze also born at The Cape of Good >>> Hope >>> as was her mother before her. It was Hillegonda Rows Gr Gr grandparents >>> that >>> came to The Cape from Germany and The Nederland's, and her grandfather >>> Erik >>> Aspeling from Sweden. >>> >>> Charles Kincaid & Hillegonda Row's 1st born son was John Robert >>> Kincaid born >>> 1819. He married Frances Dorothea Fison 10th July 1846, and this >>> couple had >>> six children; >>> Charles John Kincaid 5 Jan 1848 >>> Thomas Henrik Herbert Kincaid 20 Apr 1851 - 29 June 1923 (married Sarah >>> Maria Holmes, and had six children, see below) >>> Dorothea Christina Kincaid 11 Mar 1853 married Richard Walton >>> Alexander Frederick Kincaid 10 Apr 1855 >>> Ellen Elizabeth Kincaid 18 Jan 1857 >>> Elizabeth Harriette Kincaid 21 Mar 1860 >>> >>> Thomas Hendrik Herbert and Sarah Maria Holmes went on to have six >>> children; >>> Gertrude Frances Kincaid 16 Jul 1884 >>> Percy Frederick Kincaid 11 Nov 1886 - 22 May 1967 married (1) Alice >>> Maud Poggenpoel, 2 children John b 15 May 1926 and Maud b 28 Sep 1914 >>> (2) Iris >>> Alexandria Morkel, one son Charles Morkel Kincaid b 22 Dec 1932. >>> (Charles >>> married Maria VanSchalkwyk and had 2 sons, John 15 Jan 1963 and Paul in >>> 1965. >>> Leonard Thomas Kincaid 25 Jan 1888 - 1965, married Charlotte Augusta >>> Gerhardt. This couple had 3 children; Gwendoline 28 Sep 1916 - 1956, >>> Roland >>> Kincaid b.1920 and Donald Kincaid 16 Aug 1929. Donald married Joy >>> Scheepers >>> and they had 3 children; Leonard, Gary & Mark Kincaid. >>> Mildred Constance Kincaid 10 Aug 1891 >>> Charles Henry Kincaid 24 Sep 1894, married Enid Audrey Holmes (Enid >>> was born >>> in Rockhampton Qld 4 May 1901) >>> Gwendoline Jessie Holmes Kincaid 31 Oct 1897. >>> >>> The information re John Robert Kincaid and his descendants became >>> available >>> from a NAAIRS document 'The Kincaid family in South Africa' and a list >>> of >>> Kincaid births and marriages purchased from GISA. Leonard Kincaid (son >>> of >>> Donald and Joy - see 3 above) who still resides in South Africa, has >>> confirmed all of the above for me also advising he has 2 sons, Mark >>> Douglas >>> Kincaid and Luke Richard Kincaid who also reside in South Africa. >>> >>> Thomas Hardie Kincaid born 16 Feb 1849 to Thomas William Kincaid and >>> Elizabeth Catherine Barrett in Stepney, Ratcliff County of Middlesex. >>> His >>> death certificate shows he died on 3 Feb 1829 in Rotherhithe, County of >>> London as witnessed by his daughter Julia Charlotte Howes, nee >>> Kincaid. >>> >>> I am unsure who actually raised Thomas Hardie Kincaid after his mother >>> died >>> in 1850 and his father Thomas William Kincaid left the UK to continue >>> his >>> travels and ultimately end up in Australia. Thomas Hardie Kincaid is >>> mentioned on only one of his ? siblings Australian birth records, and >>> was >>> not listed on his father's Australian death certificate. >>> >>> Thomas Hardie married Sarah Ann Drake in 1867, and after her death >>> married >>> Elizabeth Abel in 1898. Thomas and Sarah had five children; >>> Julia Charlotte Kincaid 1868-1934 >>> William Henry Brooks Kincaid 1870-1943 >>> Sarah Catherine Kincaid 1873-1911 >>> Eliza Elizabeth Kincaid 1878- >>> Annie Brooks Kincaid 1883-1883 >>> Thomas William Brooks Kincaid 1885 - (date of death unconfirmed). >>> Thomas married Alice May Springall and this couple had 6 children, the >>> youngest being Eric David Hardie Kincaid (children's illustrator and >>> Artist. Eric >>> also did the artwork for Bill Kincaid in his book, This I'll Defend - >>> The >>> Story of the Kincaids). These details have been confirmed with Eric's >>> daughter Ann Taylor (nee Kincaid) and his son David Kincaid in the UK. >>> >>> (Further details available if required). >>> >>> Thankyou >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> >>> >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Ki > nca >>> id%20%20DNA.xlsTo >>> join the DNA project, go >>> >> > to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027------- > --- >>> ---------------------To >>> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotesin the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> >>> >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Ki > nca >>> id%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> To join the DNA project, go to: >>> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Ki > nca >>> id%20%20DNA.xlsTo >>> join the DNA project, go >>> >> > to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027------- > --- >>> ---------------------To >>> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email

    12/18/2010 01:52:36
    1. [KINCAID] Fw: (no subject)
    2. Dick Kinkead

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    12/18/2010 05:30:05
    1. [KINCAID] IGNORE [email protected]'s email

    3. List Members, It appears that Bob Kinkade's address book got hijacked as there was an email both to the List and to me personally in my inbox. The email has no subject and contains a link that you are to go to. PLEASE JUST DELETE THE EMAIL. Thank you, Ruth Cherecwich

    12/18/2010 02:50:57
    1. Re: [KINCAID] Reintroducing Vetting #1255 to Sherod Kincaid
    2. Sue Liedtke

    3. Most responses have indicated that the connection from Amon to Sherrod has a high degree of probability with little possibility of finding conflicting information. Since the last link is based on persuasive indirect evidence, Debbie will continue to seek data to further bolster the argument as new sources become available or come to her attention. I have marked this line as vetted. A new chart has been sent to Alice. Give her some time to post it to her website. Sue Liedtke > > Vetting; Amon L Kincaid to Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes. > > Amon L Kincaid > DNA #1255 A-1b > Researcher: Debra Griggs (sister) > > Amon Luther Kincaid JR. b. 5 July 1948 Bakersfield, Kern Co, California > m. 28 June 1971 to Brenda Kay Adams Reno, Washoe Co, Nevada. > > > Son of Amon Luther Kincaid SR. and Dorothy Mae Joslin. > > Proven by; > Ca. Birth Certificate for Amon Luther Kincaid JR., date of birth, 5 July > 1948, county of Kern, Ca. > Naming his parents as Amon Luther Kincaid SR. age 37 birthplace Arkansas > and Dorothy Mae Joslin age 25 birthplace Arkansas. > > > Personal Knowledge; I have known Amon L Jr. all my life as son of my > father Amon L Sr. > _____________________________________ > Amon Luther Kincaid SR. b. 14 Oct 1910 Blackwell, Conway Co, Arkansas d. > 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California m. 20 February 1943 Little > Rock, Pulaski Co, Arkansas to Dorothy Mae Joslin. > > Son of George William Kincaid and Margaret Florence Roper. > > Proven by; > Ca. Death Certificate of Amon Luther Kincaid SR b.Oct 14 1910 Arkansas d. > 22 Oct 1988 Hanford, Kings Co, California.Wife's name listed as Dorothy > Joslin.His parents are listed as George W Kincaid and Margaret F Roper. > > > 1920 Census, Lee Township, Pope Co. Arkansas > Kincaid George W 38yrs Arkansas > Florence wife 42yrs Arkansas > Lawson son 14yrs Arkansas > Opal daughter 12yrs Arkansas > Luther son 9yrs Arkansas > Kelly son 7yrs Arkansas > Nancy daughter 5yrs Arkansas > Mollie daughter 3yrs Arkansas > Dollie daughter 1 10/12yrs Arkansas > Cobb Emmett stepson 20yrs Arkansas > > > Personal Knowledge; I knew my aunts Nancy, Mollie and Dollie and my uncles > Kelly and Emmett as my fathers sisters and brothers and children of George > W Kincaid. > _______________________________________- > George William Kincaid b. 11 February 1882 Dardanelle, Yell Co. Arkansas > d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. m 12 Sept 1902 > Pontoon, Arkansas to Margaret F. Roper. > > Son of James Brookins Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats > > Proven by; > Ca. Death Certificate of George "Billy" William Kincaid b.11 Feb 1882 > Arkansas d. 24 April 1960 Inglewood, Los Angeles Co. California. His > parents are listed as James B Kincaid and Frankie Jane Coats. > > Family History: It was told by my father that his father George W Kincaid > aquired his nickname Billie from his uncle William J Kincaid, he gave him > the nickname "Billie" because he would play with the "Billie Goats" on the > farm. William J Kincaid appears with Sherod on the 1850 & 1860 census. > > WWII Draft Reg. Card lists Billie Kincaid, Place of Res: 713 Abeles Little > Rock, Pulaski Co. Arkansas, Mailing address: Water's Grocery 820 Abeles > Little Rock, Arkansas. Age: 60 Place of Birth: Perry Co. Arkansas. Date of > birth: Feb 11 1882. Name of person who will always know your address. K.O. > Kincaid 820 Abeles Little Rock, Arkansas. Employers name and address: > unemployed - works at home. > > Although my grandfathers WWII Draft Reg.Card lists him born in Perry Co. > Arkansas, my brother Amon L Kincaid has stated to me that our grandfather > George William Kincaid told him he was born in Dardanelle, Arkansas which > is in Yell County. > > WWI Draft Reg. Card lists George William Kincaid address: Rt 3 Atkins, > Pope Co. Arkansas. Age: 36. Date of birth: Feb 11 1882. Race: White. > Occupation: farmer, self employed. Place of employment: Atkins, Arkansas. > Nearest Relative: Mrs Florence Kincaid Rt 3 Atkins, Arkansas. Date of > Registration: Sept 12 1918 > > 1910 Census Wilson Township,Yell Co.Arkansas > 43 43 Kincaid George W Head 28yrs Arkansas > Florence M wife 31yrs Arkansas > Lawson W son 5yrs Arkansas > Opal E dau 3yrs Arkansas > James A son 1 4/12yrs Arkansas > Cobb O Emmett stepson 10yrs Arkansas > Roper George W father in law 70yrs Arkansas > Kelley Homer hired man 18yrs Missouri > > 44 44 Kincaid James B Head 50 Arkansas > Frankie J wife 51 years Arkansas > Ethel dau 15 years Arkansas > James A 11 years Arkansas > 45 Ham, Samuel Kelly son in law 26yrs Missouri > Samuel James grandson 2yrs Arkansas > 46 Franks, David son in law 20 yrs Oklahoma > Ora daughter 18yrs Arkansas > Frankie J grand daughter 11/12 Arkansas > [note: This is one household. Maudy Kincaid Ham died in March, a month > before this census.] > > 1900 Census Wilson Township, Yell Co. Arkansas > Kincaid John B (sic James B) 45 yrs Arkansas > Frankie J wife 42yrs Arkansas > George W son 18yrs Arkansas > Maudie daughter 15yrs Arkansas > Eliza daughter 13yrs Arkansas > Charles O son 11yrs Arkansas > Ora E daughter 8yrs Arkansas > Mary E daughter 4yrs Arkansas > James A son 1yrs Arkansas > > Note; > James Andrew Kincaid b. 11 November 1898 was the youngest son of James B > Kincaid and Frankie J Coats, his WWI Draft Reg. Card lists him as: James > Andrew Kincaid age 21. Address: Palarm, Faulkner Co. Ark. Date of birth: > Nov 12 1897(?). Where born: Yell Co, Arkansas. Fathers birthplace: Newton > Co. Arkansas. Name of employer. R E Dent. Place of employment: Palarm, > Arkansas.Name of nearest relative: James Kincaid Rt 4 Box 99 Atkins, > Arkansas. Date of Registration August 24 1918. James Andrew Kincaid d. 24 > Dec 1929 Kerr Co, Texas, his death certificate lists his parents as James > B Kincaid and Frankie J Colts (sic, Coats). > _____________________ > James Brookins Kincaid b. Oct 1858 Newton Co, Arkansas d. 8 Sept 1918 > Atkins, Pope Co, Arkansas m.abt 1881 Yell Co. Arkansas to Frankie Jane > Coats. > > Son of Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes > > I have not found a 1880 census for James B Kincaid. > > Proven By > Family History; > It was told to me by my father Amon L Kincaid Sr. that his grandfather > James B Kincaid's parents were murdered when he was just a young child and > that James had lived in the Boston Mountains as a young boy. James B > Kincaid told his son George William Kincaid of the tragedy of his parents > and it was passed down from George William Kincaid to my father Amon L > Kincaid Sr. My father told me that he was told that his grandfather had > hid in the bushes and watched while his parents were murdered. My father > said that it was believed to have happened during or after the Civil War. > I was also told that the eldest son or sons had went off to the war. It > was written in a family Bible of my dad's cousin (Samuel James Hamm, s/o > Maudy Kincaid sister of George W Kincaid) and it states as told to him by > his uncles and aunts that James B Kincaid was then taken to Indian > Territory by uncle Hughes (brother of Tom Hughes) and McGee. My uncle > Kelly O Kincaid told the family on a visit to him in J! > uly 1987 that their grandfather James B Kincaid's mother's last name was > Hughes. > [note: see 1910 census above for James B Kincaid with Samuel James Ham in > his household] > > > Conditions in Arkansas from the Encyclopedia of Arkansas History & Culture > (on line) http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net > > Flu Epidemic 1918;James B Kincaid died during the flu epidemic.Arkansas > was hard hit with over 7,000 recorded deaths.It is believed that > additional deaths in the rural areas went unrecorded.Doctors and funeral > parlors were swamped so some rural victims were without any official > notification.In Nov 1918 the state was placed under quarantine for several > months.James B was listed as a farmer in the 1910 census. His address as > given by his son on August 24 1918 was Rte 4 Box 99 Atkins,Arkansas > (Pope,Co.) efforts to find a death certificate or funeral record for James > B Kincaid have not been fruitful. > > Civil War: Arkansas succeeded from the Union in 1861. By 1862 "Dozens of > county & local governments ceased to function as judges, sheriffs, clerks > and office holders fled or failed to carry out their duties."The towns in > the northern portion were under Union control by 1863 but "In large areas > food and other necessities were in short supply...where neither army held > sway the last remnants of civil government and the rule of law disappears > and guerilla fighters roamed the countryside.The last Confederate General > commissioned guerilla forces to roam the country with orders to harass > Union troops and cut the supply lines. Some groups did just that, others > used the commission to harass, kill and rob both Union and Confederate > sympathizers. These groups were known as bushwhackers.They were > particulary active in the NW corner where the limestone caves made good > hiding places. Union troops passed through Newton Co. in March of 1863 and > burned the courthouse (the courthouse was bur! > ned again in 1938) By Sept 10 1863 they had captured Little Rock.The > Arkansas Democrat Gazette (the paper of record for Arkansas) ceased > publication until May 1865.The only paper published continuously during > the Civil War was the Washington Telegraph, a confederate paper in the SW > corner of Arkansas.The internet has other anecdotal stories passed down > through families about ancestors killed by bushwhackers in Newton County. > > All counties given are close together in the NW corner of Arkansas. > > Sherod and Jane Kincaid do not appear on the 1870 Federal Census. Sherod > does not appear in the 1870 mortality schedule. > > Below is a summary of where the children listed in the 1860 census of > Sherod were in the 1870 census.The Bible record of my dad's cousin (Samuel > James Hamm) states that James B Kincaid was taken to Indian Territory to > live with relatives. I did not find Cinthia Ann until the 1880 census, > married and living in Ward Township, Yell Co. Arkansas. I presume that > Cinthia was taken to the Indian Territory as well. I was not able to > locate James B Kincaid on the 1880 census. > > Joseph P Kincaid enlisted in the Union Forces of (Co.D 2nd Arkansas > Calvary) in Jasper, Newton Co.Arkansas on Oct 15 1863 age 18 b. Johnson > Co. Arkansas > > William J Kincaid age 22 b. Arkansas in 1870 Census is enumerated in > Dardanelle Township, Yell Co. Arkansas in the household of Charles B > Mitchell. > > George A Kincaid age 20 b. Ark in 1870 Census is enumerated in Clark > Township, Pope Co. Arkansas in the household of Samuel Rye. > > Cinthia Ann Kincaid b. May 2 1855 Arkansas d.May 14 1916 Ola,Yell Co. > Arkansas m. abt 1878 Yell/Perry Co. Arkansas to James K McGhee. My Aunt > Nancy (Amon L Kincaid's sister) had a large trunk of old family photos > that was left to her by her father George W Kincaid (son of James B) among > the photos was a photo of a baby and the writing on the back of the photo > stated "Cinthia Ann, Papa's Sister." > > John H Kincaid age 13 b.Arkansas in 1870 is enumerated in Newton,Taney Co. > Missouri in the household of Houston Hughes. > > There are family photos of William J Kincaid and George A Kincaid....and > also of my great grandfather James B Kincaid. > > 1860 Census Union Township, Newton Co.Arkansas > Kingcade Sherod 39yrs Tenn > Jane 26 yrs Alabama > Williams Wiley 22yrs Farmhand Tenn > Joseph P 14yrs Arkansas > William J 13yrs Arkansas > George A 12yrs Arkansas > Cinthia A 6yrs Arkansas > John H 3 yrs Arkansas > James B 2 yrs Arkansas > > Land Record; No.8531 Land Office at Fayetteville, Dec 30 1856. John Hughes > of Newton Co, State of Arkansas, on this day purchased of the register of > this office, the lot or South West Quarter of the North East Quarter of > Section No.Twenty Four in Township No.Thirteen North of Range No.Twenty > Two West containing forty acres at the rate of $1.00 per acre. [This land > is just below the town of Limestone in the Boston Mts. section of the > Ozark National Forest. It is a few miles north of the border with Johnson > Co.] > > Sherod A Kincaid farmed and payed taxes on the above property. > > Property Tax Records; From the Arkansas History Commission > Sherod A Kincaid paid property tax from 1860-1861 in Newton Co.Arkansas on > this property; > Township=13N SW 1/4 OF THE NE 1/4 > Section=24 Located near the town of > Range=22W Limestone,Arkansas > Sherod A Kincaid payed personal property tax in Newton Co.Arkansas from > 1857-1859. He was not charged for the acreage on these taxes. > > Newton County tax records start again in 1871. > > John Hughes bought property in Johnson Co. Arkansas in Township 11N > Section 10 Range 21W in March 1860.This area is south of the above > property. > > 1860 Census Pilot Rock, Johnson Co. Arkansas > Hughes John 32 yrs Alabama > Cynthia 26 yrs Missouri > John 10 yrs Arkansas > Margaret 6 yrs Arkansas > Houston 4 yrs Arkansas > Thomas 2 yrs Arkansas > > 1850 Census Perry Co.Arkansas > Hughes John 23 yrs Tenn [sic other census years lists Alabama] > Cynthia E 15yrs Missouri > Houston 21 Tenn [sic: other census years lists Alabama] > > Arkansas Marriage Records; Sherod Kincaid and Jane Hughes m. 16 Jan 1853 > Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas, marriage solomized by George Horner minister > of the gospel of the Baptist Faith. Can be found at > Familysearch.org/record search, indexed as Sherwood King, but the actual > record says Sherwood King Cade and Jane Huse. > > 1850 Census Boston Township, Franklin Co. Arkansas > Kincade Sherod 29yrs Tenn > Eliza 25yrs Alabama > Joseph P 4yrs Arkansas > William J 3yrs Arkansas > George A 3/12 Arkansas > Jane Hughs 17yrs Alabama > > Summary: > The 1850 & 1860 censuses do not list relationship to head of household and > there was turbulence during the time Sherod died so any recording of his > death or probate procedings is unlikely, especially since the courthouse > where such data would be stored burned down. The likelihood of obtaining > direct proof that James A was the son of Sherod and Jane Hughs is very low > because the required records were never made or have not survived. By > combining family lore passed down in a position to have known the > principles, labeled family photographs, DNA and what records do still > exist, it is believed that enough evidence has been gathered to show that > James B., father of George W. was born in Newton Co. AR, to a man named > Kincaid with a wife whose maiden name has been passed down as Hughs. That > James B. had a sister named Cinthia Ann and a close relationship to other > children listed in the 1860 census of Sherod Kincaid. That Sherod lived in > the Boston Mts. where James B is purported to! > have lived as a child, married a woman named Hughs and has 2 censuses > consistent with a nuclear family which includes James B born circa 1858. > Sherod disappears from all records during a time period consistent with > family lore. The children living in his 1860 household appear either on > their own or in scattered households which is consistent with the death of > their parents between the 2 censuses. While additional records would be > welcome, the consistency of lore and those records found are believed > sufficient to prove relationship. > > ____________________________________________ > Sherod Kincaid b. abt 1821Tennessee d. bet 1862 - 1870 Newton Co, Arkansas > m 1st Eliza m 2nd 16 Jan 1853 Ozark, Franklin Co. Arkansas to Jane Hughes. > > Son of unproven > [note: the following is provided as a starting point for further research > and is not meant to indicate a vettible relationship] > > Likely parents; Joseph Kincaid and Elizabeth (unknown) > > What is known; > [note: Newton, Madison and Johnson Counties Arkansas are contingent. > Franklin Co is contingent with Madison and Johnson Cos. Pope and Yell > Counties are contingent south of Johnson Co. The following censuses > establish the ages and birth places of Elizabeth's children for comparison > to Joseph's censuses which follow] > > 1850 Census Boston, Franklin Co, Arkansas > Kincade Elizabeth 54yrs NC > Joseph L 20yrs Tennessee > Nancy A 16yrs Alabama > Elizabeth 15yrs Alabama > William G W 11yrs Alabama > [note: Sherod is in 1850 census above living next door] > > Taylor Co,Texas August 24 1904 issue of the Abilene Reporter, Death > notice for William George Washington Kincaid, died at his home near > Buffalo Gap, Texas on August 22 1904.It states that he was a native of > Alabama and moved with his parents to Arkansas when he was three years > old. He went to Texas in 1860 and from there he enlisted in the > Confederate Army. After the war he married Miss Annie Elizabeth Clark in > 1867. Mrs Kincaid, the widow, and ten children survive. Eulogy published > in the May 1905 issue of "The Confederate Veteran Magazine". Letters from > Margaret Street, granddaughter of William through his daughter Lula Clark > Kincaid and Marshal Ray Street, say William was born in Larkinsville, > Alabama. His tombstone has engraved on it (born) March 6 1839. > > > > 1880 Census Coryell Co, Texas > Kincaide W. G. W. 42yrs Alabama Ky NC > A.E. 29yrs Tenn > W.L.D. 12yrs Texas > E.O. 10yrs Texas > J.L. 8yrs Texas > M.M. 6yrs Texas > A.E. 3yrs Texas > O.G. 1yrs Texas > McMillan S.C. 56yrs sister Tenn Ky NC > > 1850 Census Spadra, Johnson Co, Arkansas > McMillan Edward A 38yrs North Carolina > Sarah C 24yrs Alabama (sic, other census list Tenn) > Amanda J 8yrs Tenn > Eliza A 2yrs Arkansas > (Johnson Co.is next to Franklin & Newton Co.) > > Sarah C McMillan's daughter Eliza A McMillan m.17 Sept 1872 Dover, Pope > Co, Arkansas to Alvin Dean Raulston. Alvin's daughter Mary E Raulston m.8 > March 1871 Yell Co, Arkansas to William J Kincaid son of Sherod Kincaid > and Eliza.. > > Eliza A McMillan's Family Bible Record lists her mother Sarah C McMillan > b.1824 Alabama. > > Note; > Larkinsville is in Jackson Co, Alabama.In 1830 there is a James Kincaid,1m > 20-30,1m under 5,1f 20-30,1f 5-10. He appears along with Joseph Kincaid > enumerated on the same page. > > Tax Record; There is a tax record for Joseph Kincaid for 1842, Madison Co, > Arkansas. > > 1840 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > Joseph Kincade > males:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > females:1 40-50, 1 15-20, 1 10-15, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > > [for comparison: > Joseph (deceased 1850), Sherod b 1820-1 TN, Joseph b 1830 TN, William G W > b 1839 ALA > Elizabeth b 1796 NC, Sarah b 1824 TN or ALA, (missing daughter), Nancy b > 1834 ALA, Elizabeth b 1835 ALA.] > > 1830 Census Jackson Co, Alabama > Joseph Kincaid > males: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > female: 1 30-40, 1 5-10, 1 under 5 > _______________________________ > Joseph Kincaid b 1794-1800 KY d.bet 1843-1850 Arkansas m.abt 1820 > Elizabeth (unknown) > > Son of: unproven > Likely parents: Hobson Kincaid and Sarah McClure > > What is known: > > 1820 Census Franklin Co, TN (only other Kincaid in County) > Hopson Kingcade 1m 45+, 1m 26-45, 2m 16-26, 1m 10-16, 1f 45+, 1f 16-26, 1f > 10-16 > > Hopson is listed on the 1792 Clark Co. KY tax lists. > > Hobson Kincaid was the son of John Kincaid and Elizabeth Logan and > grandson of David Kincaid and Winifred Hobson of Albemarle Co. VA. The > Family Bible that was given to Elizabeth Logan Kincaid in 1756 by her > father (sic, father-in-law) David Kincaid, lists Hobson's birth as Nov. 24 > 1763. > > There is strong circumstancial reason to believe that dna participant > 28835 is a des.of John/Elizabeth Logan's son Robert. Amon's DNA matches > #28835's DNA at all but 1 marker. The match includes 2 significant > mutations. The 1st, a 12 at marker 26 (DYS 460) places them in A-1b along > with a descendent of Joseph Kincaid of Albemarle Co. VA, possible brother > to David. The 2nd, an 11 at marker 4 (DYS 391), is unique in A-1b. The > unmatched results show a step up and a step down from the group A AVV at > volitile marker 34 (CDYa). > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    12/18/2010 01:09:21
    1. Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139
    2. Sue Liedtke

    3. IF, as I believe, the grandfather of James Gillespie is Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid which I think can be proven through GPS and (again IF, this one would be much harder to prove and would require additional testing) Thomas is the son of John the Weaver, then we are talking about a very close social family in Albemarle Co. with at least one researcher suggesting that they were brothers and cousins. Unless there is a maternal connection (as is the case on Anthony Creek in Greenbrier Co. and Jackson River in Alleghany Co. where the Elliot and Dean families closely connect C-2 and A-1 Kincaids) then the genetic connection in Albemarle could be no more than a generation or 2 back. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > 190139 matches James Elliott Kincaid, # 2563 on all 67 markers which > suggests John the Patriarch and James Gillespie Kincaid (or perhaps his > possible father John Kincaid) have a common ancestor a short distance > upstream. I am encouraged that a common ancestor may be found in time > between some sets in Group A. > > I agree with Sue that vetting for 80852, whose lineage appears to go back > to Joseph of Albemarle Co, and 190139, whose lineage is likely to show > back to James Gillespie, would be very helpful in identifying prospects > for isolating the mutations in both lines. I believe both of these > mutations show the strong relationship between Group A sets 1a & 1b. We > will work to find participants to help isolate the mutations and encourage > Kincaid List members to do the same. > > Looking strictly at Set 1b, we now have participants who believe descent > from John Kincaid of Sadsbury, Chester County, PA, John Kincaid, The > Patriarch of PA, VA and NC, Joseph Kincaid of Albemarle County, VA, David > Kincaid of several counties in VA and James Gillespie Kincaid of WV. If > James Gillespie Kincaid's father turns out to be John Kincaid as many > believe that would make 3 most distant ancestors a John Kincaid out of the > 5 mentioned which could be significant in trying to find a common ancestor > although I view naming patterns as a clue rather than evidence. Joseph > Kincaid named his son John and David named one of his sons John. > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Liedtke > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > > > It would really be nice if this mutation could be isolated downline from > James Gillespie. There is another incidence where paperwork suggests that > a > participant descends from Joseph of Albemarle but does not have this > mutation. If the two participants could show where the variance occurs > and > have good paperwork, it might indicate that this marker is not as a good > predictor as it has looked like in the past i.e. like the marker 4 > mutation > to 11 it may be more volitile within our project than others. FTDNA says > they are both fairly stable alleles so any parallel mutation would be > rare. > > All A-1 are fairly close genetically and seem to be close socially in the > locations where the subsets both exist. I suspect that 1b's founding > ancestor may have been the father, grandfather or greatgrandfather of > Joseph. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Lou Clegg" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 6:20 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > > > >I think so too! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > > > > > >> Yes on 190139 matching 36856 & 30078 except for marker 26. Sue is > busy > >> baking today so I am answering. > >> > >> I think this demonstrates that Group A is one big family. > >> > >> Don > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Mary Lou Clegg > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:24 AM > >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > >> > >> > >> Does that mean that he matches 36856 and 30078 who are descended from > >> James > >> Gillespie Kincaid at all markers except marker 26? > >> > >> Mary Lou > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:11 AM > >> Subject: [KINCAID] New DNA results 190139 > >> > >> > >> > The last of the results for 190139 have been returned from the lab. > He > >> > matches the Group A Apparent Ancestral Values at all 67 markers > except > >> for > >> > marker 26 (DYS 460). Where he has a 12 instead of the AAV value of > 11, > >> > which > >> > puts him in A-1b. > >> > > >> > This is quite a surprise as the participant believes descent from > >> James > >> > Gillespie/Mary Tritt. Vetted descendents of James G do not have > this > >> > variance. They are in A-1a Fayette. Since this is a significant > >> mutation, > >> > in > >> > order to prove descent from James G, the mutation needs to be > isolated > >> > downline from James G. through additional testing and iron-clad > >> paperwork. > >> > > >> > Sue Liedtke > >> > > >> > > >> > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > >> > > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >> > > >> > To join the DNA project, go to: > >> > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > >> > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >> > >> To join the DNA project, go to: > >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > >> > >> To join the DNA project, go to: > >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > > To join the DNA project, go to: > > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    12/18/2010 12:16:05
    1. [KINCAID] (no subject)
    2. Robert Kinkade

    3. http://www.ostereistedt.info/mt.html

    12/17/2010 08:03:52