Thank you for the update. News reports are by necessity selective so a first hand account from someone there is very interesting. I am so glad you and your family are alright. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Cains" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28 > Hellooooooooo - Thanks so, so much for worrying about my family and I, > pleased to be able to tell you we are all safe and well here in > Queensland. > > Well I finally have internet & electricity back on after we lost it in a > storm last Monday that saw a major landslip blocking one of the two access > roads from where we live - still I can't complain as that's all we 'lost', > and so many thousands of others are today in Queensland wading through > thick > sticky smelly sludge trying to clean out their homes etc without power or > even running water - can you imagine that anywhere, let alone in a capital > city !! Over the past few weeks our hearts have gone to the victims of the > floods way up north - how quickly things can change. Those not directly > affected all know someone who is, but it's so great to see people randomly > helping - even our youth !!! It's very heartening today in Brisbane city > as > 'armies' of volunteers have taken up their own shovels, buckets and brooms > to help total strangers clear the mud and rubbish from their flooded > homes - > and it's raining today. > > The whole state is rallying together, doing what we Queenslanders do - > we've > an enormous clean up ahead, not just people's homes and lives but with > major > infrastructure to repair, business to rebuild, schools to be made ready > for > the kids after their summer break due to return in a couple of weeks. So > while jobs have been lost on a positive note, it's creating jobs for those > willing - my partner has been already asked to reschedule his work and he > and my son (his apprentice)Marty Kincaid are off to Toowoomba next week to > rip up and replace the sodden floor coverings for a couple of major > business > up there so that they can operate again, and in turn that helps rebuild > the > community. I guess it's going to be another year where I don't get to see > them much - well, Marty has certainly been thrown head first into the > trade, > what better way to learn than under pressure! I'm also hoping my office in > the South Bank parklands is cleaned and has electricity etc ready by > Monday > week so I can process the payroll for them !! > > I'm secretary of our local volunteer wildlife group and we will be working > closely with Wildcare Australia as there is an enormous strain on the > animal > carers with influx of injured native animals, some poor creatures having > travelled many kilometres with the flood water and survived, though with > horrible injuries. So sad. > > The next few weeks will tell how our roads and railways have fared once > the > water has fully receded, major highways have been cut due to not only the > water on the roads, but now its receding the damage that's been done is > becoming apparent, and this will of course stop or hinder the supply of > food, petrol, building materials, we're all praying mother nature is kind > to > us for the remainder of the wet season - but again, on a positive note the > death toll, whilst tragic is not as devastating as it could have been, and > houses can always be cleaned or rebuilt. After all family is everything, > and > you cannot replace them (no matter how much they get on your nerves > sometimes). > > Hoping you've all got warm socks and snug toes ! > Cheers, Lesley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2011 5:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: KINCAID Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Floods in Australia (Barbara Van Hout) > 2. Re: Floods in Australia (Don W Kincaid) > 3. Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry (Sue Liedtke) > 4. Re: roll call (Ronald Kincaid) > 5. Re: roll call (Barbara Van Hout) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:02:54 -0500 > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> > Subject: [KINCAID] Floods in Australia > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Has anyone heard recently from Lesley Cains of Australia? Does she live > in > the flooded areas? Her last message to the list was on Dec. 18. > > Barbara > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:29:55 -0700 > From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Floods in Australia > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It looks like Lesley lives in a higher elevation area South of Brisbane. > Grant Kinkead lives around 3,000 KM away from Brisbane. We hope Queensland > weather changes! > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Van Hout > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:02 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] Floods in Australia > > > Has anyone heard recently from Lesley Cains of Australia? Does she live > in the flooded areas? Her last message to the list was on Dec. 18. > > Barbara > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:23:42 -0800 > From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it > on > the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), > for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun > and > the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who > Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old > notes > > and I am still confused. > > When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps > the > son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, > whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you > thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married > a > > Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? > > If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as > Baron's > Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish > Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. > Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah > Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 > Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to > the > > Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. > > You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in > Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, > David, > > Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph > died > > in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife > and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query > other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. > > You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's > brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 > DNA > > with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid > connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid > Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great > Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. > > Sue Liedtke > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> Sorry but I hit send before I intended (a call interrupted >> me) and I did not finish my train of thought. I wanted to >> add that many of the more well to do families moved >> around as part of marriage arrangements or to acquire >> better holdings (i.e. leases or appointments). So the >> ties between Donegal/Tyrone and Down is nothing >> unusual in that context. The so called Martha >> Kinkead could have been from either place and >> until a record surfaces tying her to a particular >> family we may never know. Ireland is quite a poor >> place with regards to records before the mid 1800s. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >> >> >>> You have the information on Rev. Joseph Kinkead >>> wrong. He was born in County Donegal about >>> 1724 in Drumboy, County Donegal and died on >>> 20 July 1782 in Killinchy, County Donegal. His >>> family was not from County Down. They were >>> from County Donegal. As a minister he migrated >>> to Killinchy. The Baronscourt Kinkeads have >>> family roots and connections also in County Donegal. >>> >>> The Laggan District is in east County Donegal roughly >>> between Inch (west of Londerry) in the north and >>> Stranorlar in the south. The Rev. Joseph Kinkead >>> and his family were considered to have been from >>> the Laggan District. >>> >>> I have yet to find any supporting record for the >>> marriage of Charles Kinkead and Helen Calhoun. >>> This is secondary information and I believe the >>> source is Orval Calhoun and his "800 Years of >>> Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family >>> History." He does not give a source for the marriage >>> and the information he did provide on Charles Kinkead >>> makes me think he was mixing up Charles Kinkead >>> younger (son of Robert) with Charles Kinkead Sr. >>> >>> When it comes to Ireland it is not always just the >>> locale the person was from but more the Lord >>> they held land under or their family connections. >>> Many simply moved around >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >>> >>> >>>> Captain William Kinkead b 1736 married Eleanor Gay Nov 30, 1756 in >>>> Augusta >>>> Co. VA. The families may well have been aquainted before arriving in VA >>>> but >>>> there is no indication that the families were anywhere close in >>>> Ireland. >>>> I >>>> agree with June Mefford Kinkead that the Londonderry story was passed >>>> down >>>> from Eleanor's side of the family. >>>> >>>> I think more of a clue for the Augusta/Albemarle A-1 Kincaids may come >>>> from >>>> the 1733 Hamilton migration which includes a Kincaid daughter because >>>> Hamiltons and Kincaids did interact in Ireland, are quite close in >>>> Augusta >>>> Co. with some indication that the Hamiltons and at least one Kincaid >>>> went >>>> first to Lancastor Co. PA before coming to Augusta. Thomas d 1750 was >>>> "of >>>> Lancastor Co. PA" when he bought the Great Calf Pasture land near >>>> Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton in 1747. Andrew Hamilton was living on >>>> his >>>> GCP land in 1745 (per road orders) when John the Clerk, with the >>>> mortgage >>>> help of David Kincaid, bought land practically next door. >>>> >>>> Arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. >>>> Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances >>>> Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 >>>> Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 >>>> >>>> Archibald Hamilton's father Audley was b 1677 Laggan District (is that >>>> Co. >>>> Tyrone??), Ireland. According to a listing of his children's birth's he >>>> moved to Ards from Laggans between 1706 and 1709. He died 1762 in Ards. >>>> This >>>> suggests that Archibald was living in Ards when he married Francis >>>> Calhaun >>>> and Andrew was living in Ards when he married Martha Kinkead. That >>>> doesn't >>>> necessarily mean Francis and Martha were also living in Ards when they >>>> married but if not then there may be a close tie between Francis and >>>> Martha, >>>> i.e. perhaps Martha came to visit and fell in love. Remember that >>>> Frances' >>>> brother John was at Baron's court and her sister Helen m Charles >>>> Kincaid. >>>> Frances' father's 1st cousin was John Lewis whose wife's sister was >>>> married >>>> to Henry Patten and living in Co. Tyrone in 1692 when their son James >>>> Patten >>>> was born. John Lewis & James Patten were granted the land John the >>>> Clerk >>>> and >>>> Thomas Kincaid bought. Then we have 2617 (A-1) who believes descent >>>> from >>>> Rev >>>> Joseph b 1724 Co. Downs, d 1782 Co. Tyrone showing that there were A-1 >>>> Kincaids in those counties as well as Hamiltons. >>>> >>>> In the above connections there are possible reasons why the Hamiltons >>>> and >>>> Kincaids migrated when and where they did. Finding the father of Martha >>>> Kincaid might be quite constructive in sorting Augusta Co. Kincaids. >>>> >>>> Sue Liedtke >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >>>> >>>> >>>>> The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry >>>>> is that it does not tell you which direction to head. >>>>> Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the >>>>> story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside >>>>> of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. >>>>> Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are >>>>> on record from County Londonderry. >>>>> >>>>> If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead >>>>> then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. >>>>> He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the >>>>> other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other >>>>> hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 >>>>> which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; >>>>> about 6 miles north of Londonderry. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes! >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> To join the DNA project, go to: >>> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:15:02 -0600 (CST) > From: "Ronald Kincaid" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Connelsville PA is located in Fayette County. > > Ron K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > > > Hi, Ron, > > What county is Connelsville in? > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Ronald Kincaid <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Ronald Kincaid <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 3:18 AM >> > Roll Call. >> >> Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - >> >> I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till >> 1989 when I moved >> to Minnesota. >> >> My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, >> 03/20/1906 >> >> My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in >> Morgantown, WV, >> 08/27/1879 >> >> My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in >> Morgantown, WV, >> 08/30/1860 >> >> My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in >> Morgantown, WV, >> 04/27/1839 >> >> My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in >> Ireland around 1790. >> This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia >> County WV ( then the >> state of VA). >> >> Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to >> Connelsville PA due to >> his working for the then B&O Railroad. >> Connelsville was a teminus for the >> railroad at that time. >> >> For some time now I have been trying to establish a link >> between Richard >> Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. >> I have closely >> watched all the links that have been presented on this >> rootsweb and have >> even written to Peter but all to no avail. >> >> Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN >> ,> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in >> Excel: >> > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls >> > >> > To join the DNA project, go to: >> > >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3356 - Release >> Date: 01/03/11 >> 07:34:00 >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xlsTo join the DNA project, go > to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027---------- > ---------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the > message--------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----------No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - > www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3367 - Release Date: > 01/08/1107:33:00 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:07:16 -0500 > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > There are records for a Joseph Kincaid in this book of records for > Monongalia County, (West) Virginia, one with the date of 1805 for Joseph. > > P. 93 in this book has a record for James Kinkade and David Kinkaid in > 1803. > There is also another record for David Kinkaid in 1797. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=DpqzdsPAMIEC&pg=PA307&lpg=PA307&dq=%22Josep > h+Kincaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=DC41eMc8or&sig=L5J9VeJQxhq3lJJKFKX > P82MT7KQ&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnu > m=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Joseph%20Kincaid%22%20%2B%20Monongalia&f= > false > > ********************** > This next book for Monongalia County has records for Phillip > Patterson/Paterson who married Nancy Kincaid in 1809 in Monongalia County. > There are also more Kincaid/Kinkaid > records. A William Kinkade and wife Mary sell/give 62 acres to John > Kinkade. > > There are records for Joseph using the 'Kincade' spelling. His wife's > name > was Mary...see p. 84. > There is a record for Moses Kincade on p. 84. I didn't see David Kincaid > mentioned in this group of records, which are dated a few years later than > in the above book. > > Too many records to list are under the 'Kincaid' spelling. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=hVFB0680b1UC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=%22Joseph+Ki > ncaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=-VaGXr9AMf&sig=Hw-WV52nQHSbCm1JnDcrK0V > Kzxo&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8& > ved=0CD4Q6AEwBw#v=snippet&q=Patterson&f=false > > > Barbara > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald Kincaid > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > >> Roll Call. > > Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - > > I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till 1989 when I > moved > to Minnesota. > > My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, 03/20/1906 > > My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/27/1879 > > My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/30/1860 > > My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 04/27/1839 > > My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in Ireland around > 1790. > This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia County WV ( then the > state of VA). > > Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to Connelsville PA due to > his working for the then B&O Railroad. Connelsville was a teminus for the > railroad at that time. > > For some time now I have been trying to establish a link between Richard > Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. I have closely > watched all the links that have been presented on this rootsweb and have > even written to Peter but all to no avail. > > Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN > ,> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3356 - Release Date: 01/03/11 > 07:34:00 > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28 > ************************************** > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

?Congratulations, Grampa! Dick K. -----Original Message----- From: James R. Brisbin Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [KINCAID] roll call update A new name for the John Kincaid/Nancy Young Family: John Kincaid - Nancy Young William Harrison Kincaid - Susan Wilson James Madison Kincaid - Olivia Moss Elizabeth Kincaid - John Wesley Perkins Olivia Moss Perkins - John Francis Brisbin James R. Brisbin - Carol Elizabeth Edmunds James Michael Arthur Brisbin - Julie Ann Konrad Ryan Thomas Konrad Brisbin - born 13 Jan. 2011 - 9 pds/2 oz. Respectfully submitted with great happiness and in kinship; James R. Brisbin To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16700) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16700) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

A new name for the John Kincaid/Nancy Young Family: John Kincaid - Nancy Young William Harrison Kincaid - Susan Wilson James Madison Kincaid - Olivia Moss Elizabeth Kincaid - John Wesley Perkins Olivia Moss Perkins - John Francis Brisbin James R. Brisbin - Carol Elizabeth Edmunds James Michael Arthur Brisbin - Julie Ann Konrad Ryan Thomas Konrad Brisbin - born 13 Jan. 2011 - 9 pds/2 oz. Respectfully submitted with great happiness and in kinship; James R. Brisbin

The map still applies. However, I don't believe I ever concluded that there were two Roberts in the area. The Robert1 and Robert2 were given to indicate the location of two separate land holdings in the name of Robert Kinkead. Robert was pretty well given the boot in 1757 and he went to the Corhober area of County Sligo. He appears to have died there probably in 1762. His widow was named Mary. His eldest son was Charles and he was the merchant in Strabane. Mary the widow later obtained land in Drumbeg, County Donegal and left relatives there. The is good evidence that James Kinkead, watchmaker of New Castle County, Delaware was the son of Robert and younger brother of Charles Kinkead. I have no information of posterity of Charles Kinkead the merchant of Strabane. I have some leads which I am working on but nothing worth saying at the moment. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Kinkead" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry ?Peter- This is my line. On the map you annotated for me a few years back you indicated two Johns, a James, a Charles and two Roberts in and around Barons Court. Any idea where Robert2 fits into the new scheme? Maybe Charles is my GGGGGGPappy?

Great to hear you are safe and well! Such an incredible natural disaster. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Cains" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28 > Hellooooooooo - Thanks so, so much for worrying about my family and I, > pleased to be able to tell you we are all safe and well here in > Queensland. > > Well I finally have internet & electricity back on after we lost it in a > storm last Monday that saw a major landslip blocking one of the two access > roads from where we live - still I can't complain as that's all we 'lost', > and so many thousands of others are today in Queensland wading through > thick > sticky smelly sludge trying to clean out their homes etc without power or > even running water - can you imagine that anywhere, let alone in a capital > city !! Over the past few weeks our hearts have gone to the victims of the > floods way up north - how quickly things can change. Those not directly > affected all know someone who is, but it's so great to see people randomly > helping - even our youth !!! It's very heartening today in Brisbane city > as > 'armies' of volunteers have taken up their own shovels, buckets and brooms > to help total strangers clear the mud and rubbish from their flooded > homes - > and it's raining today. > > The whole state is rallying together, doing what we Queenslanders do - > we've > an enormous clean up ahead, not just people's homes and lives but with > major > infrastructure to repair, business to rebuild, schools to be made ready > for > the kids after their summer break due to return in a couple of weeks. So > while jobs have been lost on a positive note, it's creating jobs for those > willing - my partner has been already asked to reschedule his work and he > and my son (his apprentice)Marty Kincaid are off to Toowoomba next week to > rip up and replace the sodden floor coverings for a couple of major > business > up there so that they can operate again, and in turn that helps rebuild > the > community. I guess it's going to be another year where I don't get to see > them much - well, Marty has certainly been thrown head first into the > trade, > what better way to learn than under pressure! I'm also hoping my office in > the South Bank parklands is cleaned and has electricity etc ready by > Monday > week so I can process the payroll for them !! > > I'm secretary of our local volunteer wildlife group and we will be working > closely with Wildcare Australia as there is an enormous strain on the > animal > carers with influx of injured native animals, some poor creatures having > travelled many kilometres with the flood water and survived, though with > horrible injuries. So sad. > > The next few weeks will tell how our roads and railways have fared once > the > water has fully receded, major highways have been cut due to not only the > water on the roads, but now its receding the damage that's been done is > becoming apparent, and this will of course stop or hinder the supply of > food, petrol, building materials, we're all praying mother nature is kind > to > us for the remainder of the wet season - but again, on a positive note the > death toll, whilst tragic is not as devastating as it could have been, and > houses can always be cleaned or rebuilt. After all family is everything, > and > you cannot replace them (no matter how much they get on your nerves > sometimes). > > Hoping you've all got warm socks and snug toes ! > Cheers, Lesley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2011 5:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: KINCAID Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Floods in Australia (Barbara Van Hout) > 2. Re: Floods in Australia (Don W Kincaid) > 3. Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry (Sue Liedtke) > 4. Re: roll call (Ronald Kincaid) > 5. Re: roll call (Barbara Van Hout) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:02:54 -0500 > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> > Subject: [KINCAID] Floods in Australia > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Has anyone heard recently from Lesley Cains of Australia? Does she live > in > the flooded areas? Her last message to the list was on Dec. 18. > > Barbara > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:29:55 -0700 > From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Floods in Australia > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > It looks like Lesley lives in a higher elevation area South of Brisbane. > Grant Kinkead lives around 3,000 KM away from Brisbane. We hope Queensland > weather changes! > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Van Hout > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:02 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] Floods in Australia > > > Has anyone heard recently from Lesley Cains of Australia? Does she live > in the flooded areas? Her last message to the list was on Dec. 18. > > Barbara > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:23:42 -0800 > From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it > on > the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), > for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun > and > the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who > Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old > notes > > and I am still confused. > > When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps > the > son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, > whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you > thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married > a > > Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? > > If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as > Baron's > Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish > Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. > Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah > Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 > Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to > the > > Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. > > You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in > Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, > David, > > Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph > died > > in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife > and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query > other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. > > You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's > brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 > DNA > > with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid > connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid > Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great > Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. > > Sue Liedtke > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:21 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> Sorry but I hit send before I intended (a call interrupted >> me) and I did not finish my train of thought. I wanted to >> add that many of the more well to do families moved >> around as part of marriage arrangements or to acquire >> better holdings (i.e. leases or appointments). So the >> ties between Donegal/Tyrone and Down is nothing >> unusual in that context. The so called Martha >> Kinkead could have been from either place and >> until a record surfaces tying her to a particular >> family we may never know. Ireland is quite a poor >> place with regards to records before the mid 1800s. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >> >> >>> You have the information on Rev. Joseph Kinkead >>> wrong. He was born in County Donegal about >>> 1724 in Drumboy, County Donegal and died on >>> 20 July 1782 in Killinchy, County Donegal. His >>> family was not from County Down. They were >>> from County Donegal. As a minister he migrated >>> to Killinchy. The Baronscourt Kinkeads have >>> family roots and connections also in County Donegal. >>> >>> The Laggan District is in east County Donegal roughly >>> between Inch (west of Londerry) in the north and >>> Stranorlar in the south. The Rev. Joseph Kinkead >>> and his family were considered to have been from >>> the Laggan District. >>> >>> I have yet to find any supporting record for the >>> marriage of Charles Kinkead and Helen Calhoun. >>> This is secondary information and I believe the >>> source is Orval Calhoun and his "800 Years of >>> Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family >>> History." He does not give a source for the marriage >>> and the information he did provide on Charles Kinkead >>> makes me think he was mixing up Charles Kinkead >>> younger (son of Robert) with Charles Kinkead Sr. >>> >>> When it comes to Ireland it is not always just the >>> locale the person was from but more the Lord >>> they held land under or their family connections. >>> Many simply moved around >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >>> >>> >>>> Captain William Kinkead b 1736 married Eleanor Gay Nov 30, 1756 in >>>> Augusta >>>> Co. VA. The families may well have been aquainted before arriving in VA >>>> but >>>> there is no indication that the families were anywhere close in >>>> Ireland. >>>> I >>>> agree with June Mefford Kinkead that the Londonderry story was passed >>>> down >>>> from Eleanor's side of the family. >>>> >>>> I think more of a clue for the Augusta/Albemarle A-1 Kincaids may come >>>> from >>>> the 1733 Hamilton migration which includes a Kincaid daughter because >>>> Hamiltons and Kincaids did interact in Ireland, are quite close in >>>> Augusta >>>> Co. with some indication that the Hamiltons and at least one Kincaid >>>> went >>>> first to Lancastor Co. PA before coming to Augusta. Thomas d 1750 was >>>> "of >>>> Lancastor Co. PA" when he bought the Great Calf Pasture land near >>>> Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton in 1747. Andrew Hamilton was living on >>>> his >>>> GCP land in 1745 (per road orders) when John the Clerk, with the >>>> mortgage >>>> help of David Kincaid, bought land practically next door. >>>> >>>> Arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. >>>> Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances >>>> Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 >>>> Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 >>>> >>>> Archibald Hamilton's father Audley was b 1677 Laggan District (is that >>>> Co. >>>> Tyrone??), Ireland. According to a listing of his children's birth's he >>>> moved to Ards from Laggans between 1706 and 1709. He died 1762 in Ards. >>>> This >>>> suggests that Archibald was living in Ards when he married Francis >>>> Calhaun >>>> and Andrew was living in Ards when he married Martha Kinkead. That >>>> doesn't >>>> necessarily mean Francis and Martha were also living in Ards when they >>>> married but if not then there may be a close tie between Francis and >>>> Martha, >>>> i.e. perhaps Martha came to visit and fell in love. Remember that >>>> Frances' >>>> brother John was at Baron's court and her sister Helen m Charles >>>> Kincaid. >>>> Frances' father's 1st cousin was John Lewis whose wife's sister was >>>> married >>>> to Henry Patten and living in Co. Tyrone in 1692 when their son James >>>> Patten >>>> was born. John Lewis & James Patten were granted the land John the >>>> Clerk >>>> and >>>> Thomas Kincaid bought. Then we have 2617 (A-1) who believes descent >>>> from >>>> Rev >>>> Joseph b 1724 Co. Downs, d 1782 Co. Tyrone showing that there were A-1 >>>> Kincaids in those counties as well as Hamiltons. >>>> >>>> In the above connections there are possible reasons why the Hamiltons >>>> and >>>> Kincaids migrated when and where they did. Finding the father of Martha >>>> Kincaid might be quite constructive in sorting Augusta Co. Kincaids. >>>> >>>> Sue Liedtke >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >>>> >>>> >>>>> The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry >>>>> is that it does not tell you which direction to head. >>>>> Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the >>>>> story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside >>>>> of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. >>>>> Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are >>>>> on record from County Londonderry. >>>>> >>>>> If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead >>>>> then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. >>>>> He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the >>>>> other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other >>>>> hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 >>>>> which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; >>>>> about 6 miles north of Londonderry. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes! >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>> >>> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >>> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls >>> >>> To join the DNA project, go to: >>> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:15:02 -0600 (CST) > From: "Ronald Kincaid" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Connelsville PA is located in Fayette County. > > Ron K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > > > Hi, Ron, > > What county is Connelsville in? > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Ronald Kincaid <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Ronald Kincaid <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 3:18 AM >> > Roll Call. >> >> Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - >> >> I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till >> 1989 when I moved >> to Minnesota. >> >> My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, >> 03/20/1906 >> >> My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in >> Morgantown, WV, >> 08/27/1879 >> >> My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in >> Morgantown, WV, >> 08/30/1860 >> >> My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in >> Morgantown, WV, >> 04/27/1839 >> >> My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in >> Ireland around 1790. >> This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia >> County WV ( then the >> state of VA). >> >> Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to >> Connelsville PA due to >> his working for the then B&O Railroad. >> Connelsville was a teminus for the >> railroad at that time. >> >> For some time now I have been trying to establish a link >> between Richard >> Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. >> I have closely >> watched all the links that have been presented on this >> rootsweb and have >> even written to Peter but all to no avail. >> >> Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN >> ,> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in >> Excel: >> > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls >> > >> > To join the DNA project, go to: >> > >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3356 - Release >> Date: 01/03/11 >> 07:34:00 >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xlsTo join the DNA project, go > to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027---------- > ---------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the > message--------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----------No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - > www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3367 - Release Date: > 01/08/1107:33:00 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:07:16 -0500 > From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > There are records for a Joseph Kincaid in this book of records for > Monongalia County, (West) Virginia, one with the date of 1805 for Joseph. > > P. 93 in this book has a record for James Kinkade and David Kinkaid in > 1803. > There is also another record for David Kinkaid in 1797. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=DpqzdsPAMIEC&pg=PA307&lpg=PA307&dq=%22Josep > h+Kincaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=DC41eMc8or&sig=L5J9VeJQxhq3lJJKFKX > P82MT7KQ&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnu > m=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Joseph%20Kincaid%22%20%2B%20Monongalia&f= > false > > ********************** > This next book for Monongalia County has records for Phillip > Patterson/Paterson who married Nancy Kincaid in 1809 in Monongalia County. > There are also more Kincaid/Kinkaid > records. A William Kinkade and wife Mary sell/give 62 acres to John > Kinkade. > > There are records for Joseph using the 'Kincade' spelling. His wife's > name > was Mary...see p. 84. > There is a record for Moses Kincade on p. 84. I didn't see David Kincaid > mentioned in this group of records, which are dated a few years later than > in the above book. > > Too many records to list are under the 'Kincaid' spelling. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=hVFB0680b1UC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=%22Joseph+Ki > ncaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=-VaGXr9AMf&sig=Hw-WV52nQHSbCm1JnDcrK0V > Kzxo&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8& > ved=0CD4Q6AEwBw#v=snippet&q=Patterson&f=false > > > Barbara > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald Kincaid > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > >> Roll Call. > > Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - > > I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till 1989 when I > moved > to Minnesota. > > My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, 03/20/1906 > > My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/27/1879 > > My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/30/1860 > > My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 04/27/1839 > > My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in Ireland around > 1790. > This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia County WV ( then the > state of VA). > > Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to Connelsville PA due to > his working for the then B&O Railroad. Connelsville was a teminus for the > railroad at that time. > > For some time now I have been trying to establish a link between Richard > Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. I have closely > watched all the links that have been presented on this rootsweb and have > even written to Peter but all to no avail. > > Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN > ,> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3356 - Release Date: 01/03/11 > 07:34:00 > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca > id%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28 > ************************************** > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue et al, In 2002, I was responding to the following post: ***** From: "Jeff Davis" <[email protected]> Subject: [KINCAID] Robert Kinkead Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:01:23 -0400 Can anyone identify or expand on any of the following?: Robert Kinkead was born in County Tyrone, Ireland of parents in common circumstances. He married a Calhoun, by whom he had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine, all of whom were born in County Tyrone, Ireland. David arrived in Philadelphia on the "Lazy Mary" in 1783. Joseph died in Ireland without a family. John died in Egg Harbor, U.S. (NJ?) leaving a wife and two boys in Ireland. ***** This seemed to be new information to me and I wondered what the source was. I noted that perhaps the Robert here was the Robert who was the Robert mentioned in the Will of Joseph Kinkead of Birnaghs, County Tyrone. However, in further discussions it was revealed that other family sources states that this family was from Dungarven, County Waterford. This made things inconclusive. I did not say that Joseph's son Robert married a Calhoun. The above did. Now with regards to my comment about Oval Calhoun account of a Charles Kinkead marrying a Helen Calhoun. Orval O. Calhoun writes the following in "800 Years of Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family History." Helen Colhoun, born c-1698, was the third daughter and the eigth child of Rev. Alexander & Judith Colhoun, and she married Charles Kincaid, and they lived at Strabane, County Tyrone, Ire. She had died before 1772, but Charles was still alive and living in one of the houses belonging to Rev. Alexander Colhoun Jr. in 1772, when he made the assignment of property over to his son Charles Colhoun, at the time of his coming of marriage. Orval Calhoun later quotes the agreement on page 357. It reads as follows: MSS of Arts & Agreement, Nov. 3-1772, between Rev. Alexander Colhoun of Sixmilecross, Co. Tyrone, for Charles Colhoun, Gent, Youngest son of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, & on behalf of Mary Anderson, a minor, daughter & only child of James Anderson; and James Anderson Esq. of Killashandra, Co. Cavan, and Rev. M. Galbraith, of the marraige shortly intended between Charles Colhoun and Mary Anderson, for £200 paid by James Anderson, Alexander Colhoun did grant, the house & Offices in the town of Strabane, then last in the possession of Charles Kinkaid, Merchant, the house & tenements in Strabane in possession of John S. Hamilton Esq., and after the decease of Judith (Colhoun) Gordon, Widow, house & tenement in Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh, & property in Sixmilecross, then in possession of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, Charles Father, and after the decease of Said Alexander Colhoun and James Anderson, and their respective wives, Margaret Colhoun and Sophia Anderson, the Estates to descend to Said Charles Colhoun and Mary, His intended Wife. Now the age of Helen Calhoun places here contemporary with Old Charles Kinkead of Baronscourt. Orval states that he felt that Charles was still alive in 1772 based on the above record. My comment is that I think the Charles of the 1772 record was young Charles Kinkead (son of Robert) who was a merchant in Strabane and who failed business wise in 1769. Thus, Orval was mixing them up. HOWEVER, if Helen Calhoun, daughter of Rev. Alexander Calhoun, was married to a Charles Kinkead then this Charles must have been the old Charles Kinkead. Now going back to the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary, noted above. There is no mention of a son Charles. Charles Kinkead, the son Robert of Baronscourt, was Robert's oldest son and heir. This makes me think the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary was not the Robert of Baronscourt. Since 2002 I located a number of additional records which indicate that Robert of Baronscourt was married to a Mary and that he likely had a son David but this David was of Drumbeg, County Donegal and he died in 1771. I agree that figuring out these Baronscourt Kinkeads will be a great help to the DNA project as I believe many of the participants in the project tie directly into this extended family. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it > on > the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), > for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun > and > the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who > Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old > notes > and I am still confused. > > When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps > the > son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, > whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you > thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married > a > Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? > > If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as > Baron's > Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish > Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. > Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah > Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 > Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to > the > Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. > > You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in > Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, > David, > Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph > died > in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife > and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query > other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. > > You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's > brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 > DNA > with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid > connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid > Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great > Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. > > Sue Liedtke

?Peter- This is my line. On the map you annotated for me a few years back you indicated two Johns, a James, a Charles and two Roberts in and around Barons Court. Any idea where Robert2 fits into the new scheme? Maybe Charles is my GGGGGGPappy? BTW, according to the ELLIOTT site, the LAZY MARY sunk the following year. Dick Kinkead 2562 A1a -----Original Message----- From: Peter A. Kincaid Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 2:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry Sue et al, In 2002, I was responding to the following post: ***** From: "Jeff Davis" <[email protected]> Subject: [KINCAID] Robert Kinkead Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:01:23 -0400 Can anyone identify or expand on any of the following?: Robert Kinkead was born in County Tyrone, Ireland of parents in common circumstances. He married a Calhoun, by whom he had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine, all of whom were born in County Tyrone, Ireland. David arrived in Philadelphia on the "Lazy Mary" in 1783. Joseph died in Ireland without a family. John died in Egg Harbor, U.S. (NJ?) leaving a wife and two boys in Ireland. ***** This seemed to be new information to me and I wondered what the source was. I noted that perhaps the Robert here was the Robert who was the Robert mentioned in the Will of Joseph Kinkead of Birnaghs, County Tyrone. However, in further discussions it was revealed that other family sources states that this family was from Dungarven, County Waterford. This made things inconclusive. I did not say that Joseph's son Robert married a Calhoun. The above did. Now with regards to my comment about Oval Calhoun account of a Charles Kinkead marrying a Helen Calhoun. Orval O. Calhoun writes the following in "800 Years of Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family History." Helen Colhoun, born c-1698, was the third daughter and the eigth child of Rev. Alexander & Judith Colhoun, and she married Charles Kincaid, and they lived at Strabane, County Tyrone, Ire. She had died before 1772, but Charles was still alive and living in one of the houses belonging to Rev. Alexander Colhoun Jr. in 1772, when he made the assignment of property over to his son Charles Colhoun, at the time of his coming of marriage. Orval Calhoun later quotes the agreement on page 357. It reads as follows: MSS of Arts & Agreement, Nov. 3-1772, between Rev. Alexander Colhoun of Sixmilecross, Co. Tyrone, for Charles Colhoun, Gent, Youngest son of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, & on behalf of Mary Anderson, a minor, daughter & only child of James Anderson; and James Anderson Esq. of Killashandra, Co. Cavan, and Rev. M. Galbraith, of the marraige shortly intended between Charles Colhoun and Mary Anderson, for £200 paid by James Anderson, Alexander Colhoun did grant, the house & Offices in the town of Strabane, then last in the possession of Charles Kinkaid, Merchant, the house & tenements in Strabane in possession of John S. Hamilton Esq., and after the decease of Judith (Colhoun) Gordon, Widow, house & tenement in Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh, & property in Sixmilecross, then in possession of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, Charles Father, and after the decease of Said Alexander Colhoun and James Anderson, and their respective wives, Margaret Colhoun and Sophia Anderson, the Estates to descend to Said Charles Colhoun and Mary, His intended Wife. Now the age of Helen Calhoun places here contemporary with Old Charles Kinkead of Baronscourt. Orval states that he felt that Charles was still alive in 1772 based on the above record. My comment is that I think the Charles of the 1772 record was young Charles Kinkead (son of Robert) who was a merchant in Strabane and who failed business wise in 1769. Thus, Orval was mixing them up. HOWEVER, if Helen Calhoun, daughter of Rev. Alexander Calhoun, was married to a Charles Kinkead then this Charles must have been the old Charles Kinkead. Now going back to the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary, noted above. There is no mention of a son Charles. Charles Kinkead, the son Robert of Baronscourt, was Robert's oldest son and heir. This makes me think the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary was not the Robert of Baronscourt. Since 2002 I located a number of additional records which indicate that Robert of Baronscourt was married to a Mary and that he likely had a son David but this David was of Drumbeg, County Donegal and he died in 1771. I agree that figuring out these Baronscourt Kinkeads will be a great help to the DNA project as I believe many of the participants in the project tie directly into this extended family. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it > on > the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), > for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun > and > the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who > Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old > notes > and I am still confused. > > When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps > the > son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, > whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you > thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married > a > Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? > > If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as > Baron's > Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish > Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. > Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah > Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 > Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to > the > Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. > > You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in > Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, > David, > Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph > died > in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife > and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query > other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. > > You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's > brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 > DNA > with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid > connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid > Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great > Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. > > Sue Liedtke To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16700) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16700) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

There are records for a Joseph Kincaid in this book of records for Monongalia County, (West) Virginia, one with the date of 1805 for Joseph. P. 93 in this book has a record for James Kinkade and David Kinkaid in 1803. There is also another record for David Kinkaid in 1797. http://books.google.com/books?id=DpqzdsPAMIEC&pg=PA307&lpg=PA307&dq=%22Joseph+Kincaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=DC41eMc8or&sig=L5J9VeJQxhq3lJJKFKXP82MT7KQ&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Joseph%20Kincaid%22%20%2B%20Monongalia&f=false ********************** This next book for Monongalia County has records for Phillip Patterson/Paterson who married Nancy Kincaid in 1809 in Monongalia County. There are also more Kincaid/Kinkaid records. A William Kinkade and wife Mary sell/give 62 acres to John Kinkade. There are records for Joseph using the 'Kincade' spelling. His wife's name was Mary...see p. 84. There is a record for Moses Kincade on p. 84. I didn't see David Kincaid mentioned in this group of records, which are dated a few years later than in the above book. Too many records to list are under the 'Kincaid' spelling. http://books.google.com/books?id=hVFB0680b1UC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=%22Joseph+Kincaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=-VaGXr9AMf&sig=Hw-WV52nQHSbCm1JnDcrK0VKzxo&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBw#v=snippet&q=Patterson&f=false Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Ronald Kincaid Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > Roll Call. Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till 1989 when I moved to Minnesota. My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, 03/20/1906 My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, 08/27/1879 My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, 08/30/1860 My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, 04/27/1839 My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in Ireland around 1790. This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia County WV ( then the state of VA). Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to Connelsville PA due to his working for the then B&O Railroad. Connelsville was a teminus for the railroad at that time. For some time now I have been trying to establish a link between Richard Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. I have closely watched all the links that have been presented on this rootsweb and have even written to Peter but all to no avail. Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN ,> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3356 - Release Date: 01/03/11 07:34:00 To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Connelsville PA is located in Fayette County. Ron K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call Hi, Ron, What county is Connelsville in? Sincerely Norman Kincaide --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Ronald Kincaid <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Ronald Kincaid <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 3:18 AM > > Roll Call. > > Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - > > I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till > 1989 when I moved > to Minnesota. > > My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, > 03/20/1906 > > My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in > Morgantown, WV, > 08/27/1879 > > My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in > Morgantown, WV, > 08/30/1860 > > My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in > Morgantown, WV, > 04/27/1839 > > My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in > Ireland around 1790. > This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia > County WV ( then the > state of VA). > > Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to > Connelsville PA due to > his working for the then B&O Railroad. > Connelsville was a teminus for the > railroad at that time. > > For some time now I have been trying to establish a link > between Richard > Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. > I have closely > watched all the links that have been presented on this > rootsweb and have > even written to Peter but all to no avail. > > Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN > ,> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in > Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > > To join the DNA project, go to: > > > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3356 - Release > Date: 01/03/11 > 07:34:00 > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xlsTo join the DNA project, go to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message--------------------------------------------------------------------------------No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3367 - Release Date: 01/08/1107:33:00

Has anyone heard recently from Lesley Cains of Australia? Does she live in the flooded areas? Her last message to the list was on Dec. 18. Barbara

Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it on the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun and the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old notes and I am still confused. When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps the son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married a Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as Baron's Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to the Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph died in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 DNA with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Sorry but I hit send before I intended (a call interrupted > me) and I did not finish my train of thought. I wanted to > add that many of the more well to do families moved > around as part of marriage arrangements or to acquire > better holdings (i.e. leases or appointments). So the > ties between Donegal/Tyrone and Down is nothing > unusual in that context. The so called Martha > Kinkead could have been from either place and > until a record surfaces tying her to a particular > family we may never know. Ireland is quite a poor > place with regards to records before the mid 1800s. > > Best wishes! > > Peter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:02 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> You have the information on Rev. Joseph Kinkead >> wrong. He was born in County Donegal about >> 1724 in Drumboy, County Donegal and died on >> 20 July 1782 in Killinchy, County Donegal. His >> family was not from County Down. They were >> from County Donegal. As a minister he migrated >> to Killinchy. The Baronscourt Kinkeads have >> family roots and connections also in County Donegal. >> >> The Laggan District is in east County Donegal roughly >> between Inch (west of Londerry) in the north and >> Stranorlar in the south. The Rev. Joseph Kinkead >> and his family were considered to have been from >> the Laggan District. >> >> I have yet to find any supporting record for the >> marriage of Charles Kinkead and Helen Calhoun. >> This is secondary information and I believe the >> source is Orval Calhoun and his "800 Years of >> Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family >> History." He does not give a source for the marriage >> and the information he did provide on Charles Kinkead >> makes me think he was mixing up Charles Kinkead >> younger (son of Robert) with Charles Kinkead Sr. >> >> When it comes to Ireland it is not always just the >> locale the person was from but more the Lord >> they held land under or their family connections. >> Many simply moved around >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >> >> >>> Captain William Kinkead b 1736 married Eleanor Gay Nov 30, 1756 in >>> Augusta >>> Co. VA. The families may well have been aquainted before arriving in VA >>> but >>> there is no indication that the families were anywhere close in Ireland. >>> I >>> agree with June Mefford Kinkead that the Londonderry story was passed >>> down >>> from Eleanor's side of the family. >>> >>> I think more of a clue for the Augusta/Albemarle A-1 Kincaids may come >>> from >>> the 1733 Hamilton migration which includes a Kincaid daughter because >>> Hamiltons and Kincaids did interact in Ireland, are quite close in >>> Augusta >>> Co. with some indication that the Hamiltons and at least one Kincaid >>> went >>> first to Lancastor Co. PA before coming to Augusta. Thomas d 1750 was >>> "of >>> Lancastor Co. PA" when he bought the Great Calf Pasture land near >>> Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton in 1747. Andrew Hamilton was living on >>> his >>> GCP land in 1745 (per road orders) when John the Clerk, with the >>> mortgage >>> help of David Kincaid, bought land practically next door. >>> >>> Arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. >>> Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances >>> Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 >>> Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 >>> >>> Archibald Hamilton's father Audley was b 1677 Laggan District (is that >>> Co. >>> Tyrone??), Ireland. According to a listing of his children's birth's he >>> moved to Ards from Laggans between 1706 and 1709. He died 1762 in Ards. >>> This >>> suggests that Archibald was living in Ards when he married Francis >>> Calhaun >>> and Andrew was living in Ards when he married Martha Kinkead. That >>> doesn't >>> necessarily mean Francis and Martha were also living in Ards when they >>> married but if not then there may be a close tie between Francis and >>> Martha, >>> i.e. perhaps Martha came to visit and fell in love. Remember that >>> Frances' >>> brother John was at Baron's court and her sister Helen m Charles >>> Kincaid. >>> Frances' father's 1st cousin was John Lewis whose wife's sister was >>> married >>> to Henry Patten and living in Co. Tyrone in 1692 when their son James >>> Patten >>> was born. John Lewis & James Patten were granted the land John the Clerk >>> and >>> Thomas Kincaid bought. Then we have 2617 (A-1) who believes descent from >>> Rev >>> Joseph b 1724 Co. Downs, d 1782 Co. Tyrone showing that there were A-1 >>> Kincaids in those counties as well as Hamiltons. >>> >>> In the above connections there are possible reasons why the Hamiltons >>> and >>> Kincaids migrated when and where they did. Finding the father of Martha >>> Kincaid might be quite constructive in sorting Augusta Co. Kincaids. >>> >>> Sue Liedtke >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >>> >>> >>>> The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry >>>> is that it does not tell you which direction to head. >>>> Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the >>>> story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside >>>> of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. >>>> Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are >>>> on record from County Londonderry. >>>> >>>> If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead >>>> then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. >>>> He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the >>>> other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other >>>> hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 >>>> which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; >>>> about 6 miles north of Londonderry. >>>> >>>> Best wishes! >>>> >>>> Peter >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It looks like Lesley lives in a higher elevation area South of Brisbane. Grant Kinkead lives around 3,000 KM away from Brisbane. We hope Queensland weather changes! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Floods in Australia Has anyone heard recently from Lesley Cains of Australia? Does she live in the flooded areas? Her last message to the list was on Dec. 18. Barbara To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry but I hit send before I intended (a call interrupted me) and I did not finish my train of thought. I wanted to add that many of the more well to do families moved around as part of marriage arrangements or to acquire better holdings (i.e. leases or appointments). So the ties between Donegal/Tyrone and Down is nothing unusual in that context. The so called Martha Kinkead could have been from either place and until a record surfaces tying her to a particular family we may never know. Ireland is quite a poor place with regards to records before the mid 1800s. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > You have the information on Rev. Joseph Kinkead > wrong. He was born in County Donegal about > 1724 in Drumboy, County Donegal and died on > 20 July 1782 in Killinchy, County Donegal. His > family was not from County Down. They were > from County Donegal. As a minister he migrated > to Killinchy. The Baronscourt Kinkeads have > family roots and connections also in County Donegal. > > The Laggan District is in east County Donegal roughly > between Inch (west of Londerry) in the north and > Stranorlar in the south. The Rev. Joseph Kinkead > and his family were considered to have been from > the Laggan District. > > I have yet to find any supporting record for the > marriage of Charles Kinkead and Helen Calhoun. > This is secondary information and I believe the > source is Orval Calhoun and his "800 Years of > Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family > History." He does not give a source for the marriage > and the information he did provide on Charles Kinkead > makes me think he was mixing up Charles Kinkead > younger (son of Robert) with Charles Kinkead Sr. > > When it comes to Ireland it is not always just the > locale the person was from but more the Lord > they held land under or their family connections. > Many simply moved around > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> Captain William Kinkead b 1736 married Eleanor Gay Nov 30, 1756 in >> Augusta >> Co. VA. The families may well have been aquainted before arriving in VA >> but >> there is no indication that the families were anywhere close in Ireland. >> I >> agree with June Mefford Kinkead that the Londonderry story was passed >> down >> from Eleanor's side of the family. >> >> I think more of a clue for the Augusta/Albemarle A-1 Kincaids may come >> from >> the 1733 Hamilton migration which includes a Kincaid daughter because >> Hamiltons and Kincaids did interact in Ireland, are quite close in >> Augusta >> Co. with some indication that the Hamiltons and at least one Kincaid went >> first to Lancastor Co. PA before coming to Augusta. Thomas d 1750 was "of >> Lancastor Co. PA" when he bought the Great Calf Pasture land near >> Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton in 1747. Andrew Hamilton was living on his >> GCP land in 1745 (per road orders) when John the Clerk, with the mortgage >> help of David Kincaid, bought land practically next door. >> >> Arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. >> Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances >> Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 >> Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 >> >> Archibald Hamilton's father Audley was b 1677 Laggan District (is that >> Co. >> Tyrone??), Ireland. According to a listing of his children's birth's he >> moved to Ards from Laggans between 1706 and 1709. He died 1762 in Ards. >> This >> suggests that Archibald was living in Ards when he married Francis >> Calhaun >> and Andrew was living in Ards when he married Martha Kinkead. That >> doesn't >> necessarily mean Francis and Martha were also living in Ards when they >> married but if not then there may be a close tie between Francis and >> Martha, >> i.e. perhaps Martha came to visit and fell in love. Remember that >> Frances' >> brother John was at Baron's court and her sister Helen m Charles Kincaid. >> Frances' father's 1st cousin was John Lewis whose wife's sister was >> married >> to Henry Patten and living in Co. Tyrone in 1692 when their son James >> Patten >> was born. John Lewis & James Patten were granted the land John the Clerk >> and >> Thomas Kincaid bought. Then we have 2617 (A-1) who believes descent from >> Rev >> Joseph b 1724 Co. Downs, d 1782 Co. Tyrone showing that there were A-1 >> Kincaids in those counties as well as Hamiltons. >> >> In the above connections there are possible reasons why the Hamiltons and >> Kincaids migrated when and where they did. Finding the father of Martha >> Kincaid might be quite constructive in sorting Augusta Co. Kincaids. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >> >> >>> The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry >>> is that it does not tell you which direction to head. >>> Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the >>> story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside >>> of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. >>> Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are >>> on record from County Londonderry. >>> >>> If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead >>> then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. >>> He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the >>> other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other >>> hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 >>> which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; >>> about 6 miles north of Londonderry. >>> >>> Best wishes! >>> >>> Peter > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You have the information on Rev. Joseph Kinkead wrong. He was born in County Donegal about 1724 in Drumboy, County Donegal and died on 20 July 1782 in Killinchy, County Donegal. His family was not from County Down. They were from County Donegal. As a minister he migrated to Killinchy. The Baronscourt Kinkeads have family roots and connections also in County Donegal. The Laggan District is in east County Donegal roughly between Inch (west of Londerry) in the north and Stranorlar in the south. The Rev. Joseph Kinkead and his family were considered to have been from the Laggan District. I have yet to find any supporting record for the marriage of Charles Kinkead and Helen Calhoun. This is secondary information and I believe the source is Orval Calhoun and his "800 Years of Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family History." He does not give a source for the marriage and the information he did provide on Charles Kinkead makes me think he was mixing up Charles Kinkead younger (son of Robert) with Charles Kinkead Sr. When it comes to Ireland it is not always just the locale the person was from but more the Lord they held land under or their family connections. Many simply moved around ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Captain William Kinkead b 1736 married Eleanor Gay Nov 30, 1756 in Augusta > Co. VA. The families may well have been aquainted before arriving in VA > but > there is no indication that the families were anywhere close in Ireland. I > agree with June Mefford Kinkead that the Londonderry story was passed down > from Eleanor's side of the family. > > I think more of a clue for the Augusta/Albemarle A-1 Kincaids may come > from > the 1733 Hamilton migration which includes a Kincaid daughter because > Hamiltons and Kincaids did interact in Ireland, are quite close in Augusta > Co. with some indication that the Hamiltons and at least one Kincaid went > first to Lancastor Co. PA before coming to Augusta. Thomas d 1750 was "of > Lancastor Co. PA" when he bought the Great Calf Pasture land near > Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton in 1747. Andrew Hamilton was living on his > GCP land in 1745 (per road orders) when John the Clerk, with the mortgage > help of David Kincaid, bought land practically next door. > > Arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. > Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances > Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 > Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 > > Archibald Hamilton's father Audley was b 1677 Laggan District (is that Co. > Tyrone??), Ireland. According to a listing of his children's birth's he > moved to Ards from Laggans between 1706 and 1709. He died 1762 in Ards. > This > suggests that Archibald was living in Ards when he married Francis Calhaun > and Andrew was living in Ards when he married Martha Kinkead. That doesn't > necessarily mean Francis and Martha were also living in Ards when they > married but if not then there may be a close tie between Francis and > Martha, > i.e. perhaps Martha came to visit and fell in love. Remember that Frances' > brother John was at Baron's court and her sister Helen m Charles Kincaid. > Frances' father's 1st cousin was John Lewis whose wife's sister was > married > to Henry Patten and living in Co. Tyrone in 1692 when their son James > Patten > was born. John Lewis & James Patten were granted the land John the Clerk > and > Thomas Kincaid bought. Then we have 2617 (A-1) who believes descent from > Rev > Joseph b 1724 Co. Downs, d 1782 Co. Tyrone showing that there were A-1 > Kincaids in those counties as well as Hamiltons. > > In the above connections there are possible reasons why the Hamiltons and > Kincaids migrated when and where they did. Finding the father of Martha > Kincaid might be quite constructive in sorting Augusta Co. Kincaids. > > Sue Liedtke > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry >> is that it does not tell you which direction to head. >> Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the >> story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside >> of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. >> Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are >> on record from County Londonderry. >> >> If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead >> then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. >> He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the >> other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other >> hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 >> which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; >> about 6 miles north of Londonderry. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> Peter

I found the following which may change things a bit again for you as far as particulars on the line you belong to. Kincaid. This family was founded in the United States about the year 1840 by Joseph Kincaid, a native of Ireland, who came to this country as a young man nineteen years of age. He was, therefore, born about 1821, and died in 1894. He was reared and educated in Ireland, where he had been engaged in farming. On coming to the United States he settled in the state of Indiana. How long he remained there is not stated, but by 1850 he was living in what is now West Morgantown, West Virginia, was married and had a son born in that year. In West Virginia he was engaged in farming. He seems to have prospered in his new surroundings and to have been a man of energy and thrift. He married, in Indiana, Martha Miller, born in that state. Children: Margaret, Joseph, George and John W., of whom further. (II) John W., youngest son of Joseph and Martha (Miller) Kincaid, was born in what is now West Morgantown, West Virginia, August 5, 1850, died there November 4, 1898. He was educated in the public schools and, on arriving at a suitable age, left the farm and served his full years of apprenticeship at blacksmithing. He followed that trade in West Virginia all his active years, being an expert worker in metal and well known for industry and uprightness. He ran his own business in Morgantown and had a prosperous and popular shop. He was an active, devoted member of the Methodist Episcopal church, with which he was connected for twenty-five years. In politics he was a Republican. He belonged to the fraternal orders Knights of Pythias, Independent Order of Odd Fellows and the United Order of American Mechanics. He married a widow, Mrs. Elma (Simkins) Arnett, daughter of John and Nancy Simkins. Children : Joseph R., born August 22, 1872; Mary Belle, 1875, married Marshall L. Sturm; John C, of further mention; Clark, March 10, 1880, died November 2, 1910; Lida, February 3, 1882, died May 8, 1903; Catherine A., August 5, 1884. (III) John Clarence, son of John W. and Elma (Simkins-Arnett) Kincaid, was born at Morgantown, West Virginia, August 19, 1877. He was educated in the public schools, and at the age of seventeen years, in 1894, began business life as manager of a flour and feed store for the firm of Jason & Clake. He continued in that position until 1900, becoming thoroughly conversant with every detail of the feed business. In 1900 he resigned his position and formed a partnership with C. N. Ray, operating as Ray & Kincaid, in the flour and feed business. He soon bought his partner's interest and continued successfully until 1904, when he became senior partner of the firm of Kincaid & Arnett, a large and most prosperous flour and feed firm of Morgantown, West Virginia. He is a man of activity and energy, thoroughly modern in his business principles and quick to seize a favorable opportunity. He is a Republican in politics, and in 1904 was elected a member of the city council, succeeding himself the following term. He is a member of the Methodist Episcopal church and of the following societies : Independent Order of Odd Fellows, Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks, Knights of Pythias, Modern Woodmen of America. He married, in 1907, Ethel, born November 24, 1884, daughter of N. H. McElroy. Children: Elma, born December 21, 1909, and Gail, November 18, 1911 [Genealogical and Personal History of the Upper Monongahela Valley, West Virginia. Ed. Bernard L. Burtcher. Volume II. New York: Lewis Historical Publishing Company, 1912. p. 790-791]. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Morgantown, WV Kincaids was Re: roll call > Thanks Peter, > > This is more than I've seen in quite a while. For your benefit I am > resending you my forbearers and the names of their wives as I have gotten > from the families bible. > > My father, George Gallagher Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, > 03/20/1906, married Florence Mildred Johnston > > My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/27/1879 married Alice Belle Roby > > My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/30/1860 married Elma Jane Arnett-Simpkins > > My G. G. G. Grandfather, Joseph (J. C.) Kincaid was born in Morgantown, > WV, > 08/06/1844 married Ethel Meanar > > My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Joseph Richard was born in Ireland around > 1790. > This deduced from the 1810 census taken for Monogalia County WV ( then the > state of VA). > > Please note that that the person who wrote the 1810 Census spelled Kincaid > different than the current spelling that is now used by our family. When > I > questioned this, I was told that at this time the spelling was up to the > then census taker. Please note also, that I had Joseph Richard, my > GGGGgrandfathers name reversed and that I had the wrong son,James Wesley > in > place of Joseph ( J. C.) > > I hope Peter that the additional names of their spouses helps in this > search. > > Thanks again, > Ron Kincaid > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:10 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Morgantown, WV Kincaids was Re: roll call > > >>I suspect your Richard Joseph was known simply as >> Joseph and was the cousin of the 4th David referred to >> in the following really rough family (which is tricky to >> decipher) notes. >> >> ***** >> 1st. Wm. Kincaid b. Ireland m. Nancy--3 sons and 1 dau: Moses, >> John, Wm. and Nancy. >> These 4 ch. left for America. Wm. and Mary leased their farm for >> 99 yr. and followed them. >> 2nd. Wm. m. Mary-- had 6 ch. >> Joseph of Champaign Co., near Urbana O. 1858, his son Wm. >> lives near Westville, O. >> John--2nd. s. of Wm. lived Oakland, Douglas Cty. Ill. >> Moses Kincaid b. County Tyrone, Ireland, lived Monongahalia >> (Monongahela) Co., W. Va. had sons: >> John, David, Wm., Andrew, little Moses of Grafton, W. Va. >> 3rd. David b. Co. Tyrone Ireland, m Mary Harmer, Germany >> 4th David, b. 6/25/1818, d. 1901--m. Angeline Miller >> 5th Dr. D. L. Kincaid b. Marion Co. W. Va. 1843 >> >> John s. of 3rd. Wm. b. Ireland, settled Marion Co., W. Va. >> m. Polly Hartley of Marion Co., had two sons: Joseph-- >> lived Marion Co..--2 sons, Elza, a minister >> Alpheus moved to Douglas Co., Ill. 5 boys: Nathan, >> Barnabas, James, Ashberry, Marian and Simpson, twins. >> >> Dr. D. L. Kincaid had 3 sons: T. N. A minister, Hot Springs >> Dr. David Harvey, Ottumwa, Iowa >> Dr Miller. Kincaid, Fairmount, W. Va. >> 4th David Kincaid had 3 cousins: Wm. James, Joseph >> Jos. setled at Morganstown, W. Va. >> Wm. and Jas. sent to Vevay, Ind. Raised large families >> a 2nd. cousin of David 4th name Robert? settled in Greene Co. >> Penn. >> >> a 1st. cousin Wm. settled in Ky, many dead. went to Mo. or stayed in Ky. >> >> The Kincaids of Ray and Clay Co., Ma. descended from "Capt. Billy". >> >> Source: Notes by the late Dr. D. L. Kincaid of Indianapolis, Indiana >> written in the early 1900s. Copy in the possession of Ruthann >> Kincaid of 48 Waln Street, Wellsboro, PA, 16901 and mailed to >> Peter A. Kincaid on March 26, 1997. >> ***** >> >> Best wishes! >> >> Peter >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ronald Kincaid" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call >> >> >>>> Roll Call. >>> >>> Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - >>> >>> I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till 1989 when I >>> moved >>> to Minnesota. >>> >>> My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, 03/20/1906 >>> >>> My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, >>> 08/27/1879 >>> >>> My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, >>> 08/30/1860 >>> >>> My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, >>> WV, >>> 04/27/1839 >>> >>> My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in Ireland around >>> 1790. >>> This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia County WV ( then >>> the >>> state of VA). >>> >>> Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to Connelsville PA due >>> to >>> his working for the then B&O Railroad. Connelsville was a teminus for >>> the >>> railroad at that time. >>> >>> For some time now I have been trying to establish a link between Richard >>> Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. I have closely >>> watched all the links that have been presented on this rootsweb and have >>> even written to Peter but all to no avail. >>> >>> Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN

Thanks Peter, This is more than I've seen in quite a while. For your benefit I am resending you my forbearers and the names of their wives as I have gotten from the families bible. My father, George Gallagher Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, 03/20/1906, married Florence Mildred Johnston My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, 08/27/1879 married Alice Belle Roby My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, 08/30/1860 married Elma Jane Arnett-Simpkins My G. G. G. Grandfather, Joseph (J. C.) Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, 08/06/1844 married Ethel Meanar My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Joseph Richard was born in Ireland around 1790. This deduced from the 1810 census taken for Monogalia County WV ( then the state of VA). Please note that that the person who wrote the 1810 Census spelled Kincaid different than the current spelling that is now used by our family. When I questioned this, I was told that at this time the spelling was up to the then census taker. Please note also, that I had Joseph Richard, my GGGGgrandfathers name reversed and that I had the wrong son,James Wesley in place of Joseph ( J. C.) I hope Peter that the additional names of their spouses helps in this search. Thanks again, Ron Kincaid ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:10 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Morgantown, WV Kincaids was Re: roll call >I suspect your Richard Joseph was known simply as > Joseph and was the cousin of the 4th David referred to > in the following really rough family (which is tricky to > decipher) notes. > > ***** > 1st. Wm. Kincaid b. Ireland m. Nancy--3 sons and 1 dau: Moses, > John, Wm. and Nancy. > These 4 ch. left for America. Wm. and Mary leased their farm for > 99 yr. and followed them. > 2nd. Wm. m. Mary-- had 6 ch. > Joseph of Champaign Co., near Urbana O. 1858, his son Wm. > lives near Westville, O. > John--2nd. s. of Wm. lived Oakland, Douglas Cty. Ill. > Moses Kincaid b. County Tyrone, Ireland, lived Monongahalia > (Monongahela) Co., W. Va. had sons: > John, David, Wm., Andrew, little Moses of Grafton, W. Va. > 3rd. David b. Co. Tyrone Ireland, m Mary Harmer, Germany > 4th David, b. 6/25/1818, d. 1901--m. Angeline Miller > 5th Dr. D. L. Kincaid b. Marion Co. W. Va. 1843 > > John s. of 3rd. Wm. b. Ireland, settled Marion Co., W. Va. > m. Polly Hartley of Marion Co., had two sons: Joseph-- > lived Marion Co..--2 sons, Elza, a minister > Alpheus moved to Douglas Co., Ill. 5 boys: Nathan, > Barnabas, James, Ashberry, Marian and Simpson, twins. > > Dr. D. L. Kincaid had 3 sons: T. N. A minister, Hot Springs > Dr. David Harvey, Ottumwa, Iowa > Dr Miller. Kincaid, Fairmount, W. Va. > 4th David Kincaid had 3 cousins: Wm. James, Joseph > Jos. setled at Morganstown, W. Va. > Wm. and Jas. sent to Vevay, Ind. Raised large families > a 2nd. cousin of David 4th name Robert? settled in Greene Co. > Penn. > > a 1st. cousin Wm. settled in Ky, many dead. went to Mo. or stayed in Ky. > > The Kincaids of Ray and Clay Co., Ma. descended from "Capt. Billy". > > Source: Notes by the late Dr. D. L. Kincaid of Indianapolis, Indiana > written in the early 1900s. Copy in the possession of Ruthann > Kincaid of 48 Waln Street, Wellsboro, PA, 16901 and mailed to > Peter A. Kincaid on March 26, 1997. > ***** > > Best wishes! > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronald Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:18 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > > >>> Roll Call. >> >> Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - >> >> I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till 1989 when I >> moved >> to Minnesota. >> >> My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, 03/20/1906 >> >> My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, >> 08/27/1879 >> >> My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, >> 08/30/1860 >> >> My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, >> 04/27/1839 >> >> My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in Ireland around >> 1790. >> This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia County WV ( then >> the >> state of VA). >> >> Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to Connelsville PA due to >> his working for the then B&O Railroad. Connelsville was a teminus for >> the >> railroad at that time. >> >> For some time now I have been trying to establish a link between Richard >> Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. I have closely >> watched all the links that have been presented on this rootsweb and have >> even written to Peter but all to no avail. >> >> Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3367 - Release Date: 01/08/11 07:33:00

Captain William Kinkead b 1736 married Eleanor Gay Nov 30, 1756 in Augusta Co. VA. The families may well have been aquainted before arriving in VA but there is no indication that the families were anywhere close in Ireland. I agree with June Mefford Kinkead that the Londonderry story was passed down from Eleanor's side of the family. I think more of a clue for the Augusta/Albemarle A-1 Kincaids may come from the 1733 Hamilton migration which includes a Kincaid daughter because Hamiltons and Kincaids did interact in Ireland, are quite close in Augusta Co. with some indication that the Hamiltons and at least one Kincaid went first to Lancastor Co. PA before coming to Augusta. Thomas d 1750 was "of Lancastor Co. PA" when he bought the Great Calf Pasture land near Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton in 1747. Andrew Hamilton was living on his GCP land in 1745 (per road orders) when John the Clerk, with the mortgage help of David Kincaid, bought land practically next door. Arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 Archibald Hamilton's father Audley was b 1677 Laggan District (is that Co. Tyrone??), Ireland. According to a listing of his children's birth's he moved to Ards from Laggans between 1706 and 1709. He died 1762 in Ards. This suggests that Archibald was living in Ards when he married Francis Calhaun and Andrew was living in Ards when he married Martha Kinkead. That doesn't necessarily mean Francis and Martha were also living in Ards when they married but if not then there may be a close tie between Francis and Martha, i.e. perhaps Martha came to visit and fell in love. Remember that Frances' brother John was at Baron's court and her sister Helen m Charles Kincaid. Frances' father's 1st cousin was John Lewis whose wife's sister was married to Henry Patten and living in Co. Tyrone in 1692 when their son James Patten was born. John Lewis & James Patten were granted the land John the Clerk and Thomas Kincaid bought. Then we have 2617 (A-1) who believes descent from Rev Joseph b 1724 Co. Downs, d 1782 Co. Tyrone showing that there were A-1 Kincaids in those counties as well as Hamiltons. In the above connections there are possible reasons why the Hamiltons and Kincaids migrated when and where they did. Finding the father of Martha Kincaid might be quite constructive in sorting Augusta Co. Kincaids. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry > is that it does not tell you which direction to head. > Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the > story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside > of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. > Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are > on record from County Londonderry. > > If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead > then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. > He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the > other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other > hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 > which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; > about 6 miles north of Londonderry. > > Best wishes! > > Peter > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:26 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> Chalkley made brief abstracts of the Augusta Co. court records. He would >> not >> made any conjecture as to who came with whom and where they came from or >> how >> they were related beyond what was in the records. The rest appears to be >> from a story well known to Gay researchers. My insertions are in [], the >> rest is in the stated book. It would be interesting to know if there is >> any >> documentation for the 1739 date for Gay family migration from Ireland. I >> suspect it is actually the date they came into Orange Co., perhaps >> proving >> importation in that year. The actual arrival in PA could have been >> several >> years earlier. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >>>From June Mefford Kinkead's "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestors, A History of >> the Kinkead and McDowell Families of Kentucky" published 1992. pp 28-32 >> >> THE GAY FAMILY >> The following is condensed from "Genealogies of Kentucky Families", a >> part >> of which was related by Jane Gay Stevenson, a niece of Eleanor Gay and >> William Kinkead. >> >> After a sojourn in Pennsylvania, the Gays moved into the Borden Tract, at >> that time a part of Augusta County, Virginia, known as "The Pastures." >> Today, it is located in Rockbridge County. >> >> James Gay, father of Jane Gay, was one of six sons of William Gay. His >> brothers were William, Robert, Samuel, Henry, and John. His sister >> Eleanor >> married William Kinkead. >> >> James had come from Ireland as a boy, and in all probability was born >> there. >> Settled in the Calf Pasture by 1743, he built a fort the protection of >> his >> family and neighbors, many of whom were members of the Gay family by >> marriage: Kinkeads, Dunlaps, Elliotts, Grahams, Lockharts, McIlwains and >> others. They were all Scotch-Irish pioneers who sought a home in the Calf >> Pastures, and had come to Virginia from Pennsylvania, mostly from >> Lancaster >> and Cumberland Counties. >> >> [The story goes on in the words of Jane who was 7 years old in 1757. She >> talks about living on the Calf Pasture and indian raids. Her mother was >> killed in 1758. Most of "The Pastures" were not in Bordon's Track and >> remained in Augusta Co. when Rockbridge was formed. James Gay evidently >> lived near the southern end. William/Eleanor Kinkead lived at the >> Northern >> end of the Great Calf Pasture.] >> ***** >> The following is copied from a William Bury Kinkead narrative, recorded >> by >> Elizabeth Shelby Kinkead, his daughter. >> >> "The ancestors (William and Eleanor Guy Kinkead) were Scotch people. They >> left Scotland after the Battle of Bothwell Bridge, and went to Ireland, >> settling in the northern part of that country; my grandmother's people, >> about four miles out from Derry. They were devoted Presbyterians, but >> did >> not side with either of the extreme parties of that day. King William >> represented their ideas, and they held him in highest admiration. >> >> "I can well remember, a little boy of ten years of age, standing by my >> grandmother and being delighted to listen to her give the history of that >> memorable siege (the siege of Londonderry), which she had heard from the >> lips of her mother, whose father was in the siege. >> >> This narrative is also recorded in G(eorge).B(lackburn) Kinkead's >> memoirs, >> quoted below: >> >> [here the author gives G.B's very detailed description of the Siege of >> Londonderry as told to him by his father who heard it from his >> grandmother >> who had it from her grandmother. Note that there is a bit of a >> discrepancy >> in where the story came from] >> >> George Blackburn Kinkead has this narrative under the Kinkeads in him >> Memoirs but it is the opinion of the author that this family history is >> that >> of the Gay family. The father of George Blackburn Kinkead, William Bury >> Kinkead, says: "this story told to me by my grandmother (Eleanor Gay) >> (was) >> told to her by her mother, whose father was in the siege of Londonderry." > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It looks like James Patterson Kinkaid's mother was a Patterson. I think I found them in the 1870 census with Joseph as a widow. 1870 census of 11th District 4th Ward, Phiadelphia, PA at page 96. Patterson,Anna,76,F,W,at home,b. Ireland Kinkade,Joseph,36,M,W,produce dealer,b. Ireland Kinkade,Isabella,13,F,W,keeping house,b. PA Kinkade,George,15,M,W,at home,b. PA Kinkade,Robert,7,M,W,at home,b. PA Kinkade,James,13,M,W,at home,b. PA Kinkade,Jenny,12,F,W,at home,b. PA Looks like Joseph remarried to a Jennie B. and can be found in the 1880 census. Joseph KINCADE Self M Male W 49 IRE Clerk IRE IRE Jennie B. KINCADE Wife M Female W 37 PA Keeping House IRE IRE Olive M. KINCADE Dau S Female W 9 PA At School IRE PA Harry B. KINCADE Son S Male W 5 PA IRE PA Joseph D. KINCADE Son S Male W 3 PA IRE PA Mary B. NEILE Other S Female W 58 IRE Dressmaker IRE IRE Matilda RANDOLPH Other S Female W 26 PA Sales Lady IRE IRE Robt. KINCADE Other S Male W 17 PA Blacksmith IRE IRE James KINCADE Other S Male W 22 PA Blacksmith IRE IRE Can anyone find Joseph and his father George in the earlier censuses of Philadelphia? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Another Kinkaid > Does he have the name of his grandmother (i.e. James Patterson > Kinkaid's wife)? I have his great grandfather's (Joseph, 12 December > 1834 - 31 July 1909) death certificate. It states he was born in Ireland > and gives his parents name as George Kinkaid and Isabella Gray. > > I see online James Patterson Kinkaid's vitals as 2 November 1857 > to 28 December 1934. > > Spouses names in the tree will be of help. > > Best wishes! > > Peter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Claire KinKaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:13 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Another Kinkaid > > >> I've been trying to gather "Kinkaids" on Facebook. This young man, >> Robert >> Kinkaid sent me the following when I inquired as to what information he >> might have regarding his ancestry. He's extremely proud of his heritage. >> He wears his kilt, attends the Burns Suppers each year, attends Highland >> games, but apparently has no interest in finding out "who he is". I >> mentioned the DNA testing to him, but he doesn't seem to be interested. >> Here is the only information he has regarding his family. If this sounds >> familiar to any of you, perhaps you might be able to interest him in DNA >> testing. >> >> Claire KinKaid >> Charles KinKaid #1494, Group B >> >> >> Robert W KinkaidOctober 1, 2010 at 1:24pm >> Re: Ancestry >> This is all the information I have on my side of the family: >> >> 1. EARL RANDOLPH4 KINKAID (JAMES PATTERSON3, JOSEPH2, GEORGE1) was born >> May 12, 1894 in PHIL. PA., and died Jun 10, 1953 in QUEENS VILLAGE NY. He >> married JULIA STONER ELLIOTT Sep 04, 1920 in PHIL; PA, daughter of HARRY >> ELLIOTT and MARY STONER. She was born Oct 24, 1900 in GETTYSBURG PA., and >> died Jul 29, 1987 in QUEENS NY. >> >> Children of EARL KINKAID and JULIA ELLIOTT are: >> 2. i. DOROTHY A.5 KINKAID, b. Oct 11, 1934, Woodburry N.J.. >> 3. ii. ELIZABETH A. KINKAID, b. Nov 02, 1930, WOODBURY N.J.. >> 4. iii. JAMES PATTERSON KINKAID, b. Apr 03, 1928, Woodburry N.J.. >> 5. iv. MARY J. KINKAID, b. Nov 06, 1926, woodburry N.J.. >> 6. v. ROBERT W. KINKAID, b. Feb 21, 1943, ST. ALBANS N.Y.. >> 7. vi. HELEN L. KINKAID, b. Sep 21, 1929, WOODBURY N.J.. >> 8. vii. ALFRED E. SCHNELL,?????? HONARARY ??????, b. Dec 05, 1927, ST >> ALABNS NY; Foster child. >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does he have the name of his grandmother (i.e. James Patterson Kinkaid's wife)? I have his great grandfather's (Joseph, 12 December 1834 - 31 July 1909) death certificate. It states he was born in Ireland and gives his parents name as George Kinkaid and Isabella Gray. I see online James Patterson Kinkaid's vitals as 2 November 1857 to 28 December 1934. Spouses names in the tree will be of help. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire KinKaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:13 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Another Kinkaid > I've been trying to gather "Kinkaids" on Facebook. This young man, Robert > Kinkaid sent me the following when I inquired as to what information he > might have regarding his ancestry. He's extremely proud of his heritage. > He wears his kilt, attends the Burns Suppers each year, attends Highland > games, but apparently has no interest in finding out "who he is". I > mentioned the DNA testing to him, but he doesn't seem to be interested. > Here is the only information he has regarding his family. If this sounds > familiar to any of you, perhaps you might be able to interest him in DNA > testing. > > Claire KinKaid > Charles KinKaid #1494, Group B > > > Robert W KinkaidOctober 1, 2010 at 1:24pm > Re: Ancestry > This is all the information I have on my side of the family: > > 1. EARL RANDOLPH4 KINKAID (JAMES PATTERSON3, JOSEPH2, GEORGE1) was born > May 12, 1894 in PHIL. PA., and died Jun 10, 1953 in QUEENS VILLAGE NY. He > married JULIA STONER ELLIOTT Sep 04, 1920 in PHIL; PA, daughter of HARRY > ELLIOTT and MARY STONER. She was born Oct 24, 1900 in GETTYSBURG PA., and > died Jul 29, 1987 in QUEENS NY. > > Children of EARL KINKAID and JULIA ELLIOTT are: > 2. i. DOROTHY A.5 KINKAID, b. Oct 11, 1934, Woodburry N.J.. > 3. ii. ELIZABETH A. KINKAID, b. Nov 02, 1930, WOODBURY N.J.. > 4. iii. JAMES PATTERSON KINKAID, b. Apr 03, 1928, Woodburry N.J.. > 5. iv. MARY J. KINKAID, b. Nov 06, 1926, woodburry N.J.. > 6. v. ROBERT W. KINKAID, b. Feb 21, 1943, ST. ALBANS N.Y.. > 7. vi. HELEN L. KINKAID, b. Sep 21, 1929, WOODBURY N.J.. > 8. vii. ALFRED E. SCHNELL,?????? HONARARY ??????, b. Dec 05, 1927, ST > ALABNS NY; Foster child. > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry is that it does not tell you which direction to head. Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are on record from County Londonderry. If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; about 6 miles north of Londonderry. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Chalkley made brief abstracts of the Augusta Co. court records. He would > not > made any conjecture as to who came with whom and where they came from or > how > they were related beyond what was in the records. The rest appears to be > from a story well known to Gay researchers. My insertions are in [], the > rest is in the stated book. It would be interesting to know if there is > any > documentation for the 1739 date for Gay family migration from Ireland. I > suspect it is actually the date they came into Orange Co., perhaps proving > importation in that year. The actual arrival in PA could have been several > years earlier. > > Sue Liedtke > >>From June Mefford Kinkead's "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestors, A History of > the Kinkead and McDowell Families of Kentucky" published 1992. pp 28-32 > > THE GAY FAMILY > The following is condensed from "Genealogies of Kentucky Families", a part > of which was related by Jane Gay Stevenson, a niece of Eleanor Gay and > William Kinkead. > > After a sojourn in Pennsylvania, the Gays moved into the Borden Tract, at > that time a part of Augusta County, Virginia, known as "The Pastures." > Today, it is located in Rockbridge County. > > James Gay, father of Jane Gay, was one of six sons of William Gay. His > brothers were William, Robert, Samuel, Henry, and John. His sister Eleanor > married William Kinkead. > > James had come from Ireland as a boy, and in all probability was born > there. > Settled in the Calf Pasture by 1743, he built a fort the protection of his > family and neighbors, many of whom were members of the Gay family by > marriage: Kinkeads, Dunlaps, Elliotts, Grahams, Lockharts, McIlwains and > others. They were all Scotch-Irish pioneers who sought a home in the Calf > Pastures, and had come to Virginia from Pennsylvania, mostly from > Lancaster > and Cumberland Counties. > > [The story goes on in the words of Jane who was 7 years old in 1757. She > talks about living on the Calf Pasture and indian raids. Her mother was > killed in 1758. Most of "The Pastures" were not in Bordon's Track and > remained in Augusta Co. when Rockbridge was formed. James Gay evidently > lived near the southern end. William/Eleanor Kinkead lived at the Northern > end of the Great Calf Pasture.] > ***** > The following is copied from a William Bury Kinkead narrative, recorded by > Elizabeth Shelby Kinkead, his daughter. > > "The ancestors (William and Eleanor Guy Kinkead) were Scotch people. They > left Scotland after the Battle of Bothwell Bridge, and went to Ireland, > settling in the northern part of that country; my grandmother's people, > about four miles out from Derry. They were devoted Presbyterians, but did > not side with either of the extreme parties of that day. King William > represented their ideas, and they held him in highest admiration. > > "I can well remember, a little boy of ten years of age, standing by my > grandmother and being delighted to listen to her give the history of that > memorable siege (the siege of Londonderry), which she had heard from the > lips of her mother, whose father was in the siege. > > This narrative is also recorded in G(eorge).B(lackburn) Kinkead's memoirs, > quoted below: > > [here the author gives G.B's very detailed description of the Siege of > Londonderry as told to him by his father who heard it from his grandmother > who had it from her grandmother. Note that there is a bit of a discrepancy > in where the story came from] > > George Blackburn Kinkead has this narrative under the Kinkeads in him > Memoirs but it is the opinion of the author that this family history is > that > of the Gay family. The father of George Blackburn Kinkead, William Bury > Kinkead, says: "this story told to me by my grandmother (Eleanor Gay) > (was) > told to her by her mother, whose father was in the siege of Londonderry."