A message about Abner Hamilton, enlisted in the RW War from Augusta Co, VA and is in the 1810 Barren County, KY census. “I have been a member (of DAR) since 1973 and became a member on Abner Hamilton, the son of John Hamilton and Mary Stewart. I think I can submit a supplemental on John Hamilton. Abner married Mary Clendenin, the daughter of Adam/Adams. I am currently trying to establish my lineage from James Stewart/Stuart the father of Mary Stewart Hamilton for membership in Daughters of American Colonists. He was burned at the stake by Indians in Augusta County. I have documentation for the marriage of John and Mary but have to establish her as James Stewart's daughter. John Hamilton was chosen as a guardian of one of the orphans of James Stewart but that is not good enough.” Adam Clendenin {2} 1758 14 July. Camp at Raestown. Letter from Col. Adam Stephen to [George Washington]. Mentions Capt. Bosomworth, John Clandennon, Adam Clandennon (brothers), Lt. Charles Smith, Capt. Fleming, Capt. Fields, Mr. Johnson. Clark, Murtie June. Colonial Soldiers of the South, 1732-1774. Balt., Gen. Pub. C., 1983, p. 510. 1760s Augusta Co. VA. Birth of sons Isaac and Robert and daughters Mary who married Abner Hamilton, son of John Hamilton, 17 Oct 1785 in Montgomery Co. and lived Barren Co., KY and Alice who married Ferdinand Hamilton 3 May 1792 in Greenbrier Co. 1791 Aug 30. Greenbrier Co., VA. Ferdinan Hamilton to pay Adam Clendinen for one day's attendance and coming and returning from Montgomery 45 miles as witness in McClung suit. LDSMF 464,939 Greenbrier County Court Records. 1792 Feb 20. Greenbrier Co., VA. Suit Abner Hamilton vs Henry McDonald. LDSMF 464,939. Greenbrier County Records http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~clendin/clendenin_notes.htm Abner Hamilton and the murder trial of his son John Hamilton in early Kentucky. This includes names from old Virginia families, but no Kincaids. Hobson Kincaid left Barren County, KY for TN about 1810 or a few years later. http://www.kykinfolk.com/metcalfe/hamiltonmur.html Barbara

Who were the parents of this William Hamilton and his brother Col. Andrew Hamilton? William Hamilton, Ruth, W9059, VA ( Virginia ) Line, he lived in Augusta Co VA at enlistment and served under his brother Col. Andrew Hamilton and in 1781 on a visit to KY he also enlisted there, he applied 8 June 1833 Boone Co KY aged 93 and he died there 8th April 1834, soldier had married Ruth Wilson 12 Jan 1782 of 83 in Botetourt Co VA and she was born 6 April 1760 ( the marriage license was issued in Greenbrier Co VA), widow applied 5 July 1843 Gallatin Co KY and in February 1848 she was living with a daughter Mrs.-?- Hughes in Warsaw, KY, widow died 23 Aug 1848, children were; Andrew born 15 Jan 1784, William born 21 April 1786, James born 28 Oct 1788, Samuel W. born 1 June 1791, Mary W. born 28 Sept 1793, Abraham born 30 June 1798, John B. born 27 Dec 1801 and Ruth W. born 2 March 1804, surviving children in 1848 were; Andrew, William, Samuel W., Jams, Abraham and John B. Hamilton, Mary W. Hughes and Ruth Chiles, in 1848 one of the children lived in MO, in 1833 Abraham Hamilton lived in Boone Co KY, a William M. Hughes was administrator of widow`s estate. I found the above summary of family for William Hamilton, W9059 VA. Here is more information from his RW papers: William Hamilton entered service as a ranger and spy with the Virginia troops, as follows: in 1776, eight months in Captain Rennick’s company; in 1777, four months in Captain McCoy’s company; in 1778, four months in Captain Donnely’s company. All of his service was in Colonel Andrew Hamilton’s regiment, who was the brother of the soldier. William Hamilton, in the spring of 1781, went to Kentucky on a visit and enlisted at Harrodsburg, served in Captain James Harrod’s company, was in a campaign under General G. R. Clark (that would be George Rogers Clark), crossed the Ohio at Louisville, went to the Wabash and the Illinois, length of this service six months. This next information came from his wife Ruth: She was in the Gallatin Co, KY court in 1848, aged 88 years. She said that her maiden name was Ruth Wilson. They married Jan. 12, 1783 in Botetourt County. The license was obtained in Greenbrier, but for want of a preacher, they had to travel 50 or 60 miles to Botetourt to be married by a Rev. Smith. Those she remembered who were at their wedding were Mary Walker, Andrew Hamilton, and a woman named Boggs. Ruth said that they moved first to Woodford County, KY in 1789 and a few years later moved to Boone County, KY, where William died about April 8, 1834.

Was this William Hamilton the son of Andrew Hamilton/Martha Kinkead? Page 260.--15th February, 1788. Andrew Hamilton's will, of the Calfpasture--To wife, Martha; to son, William; to son, Andrew; to each grandson named Andrew, 250 acres in Kentucky; to all my daughters; to sons William and Andrew, all books. Executors, son William and son-in-law Wm. Rennocks, wife Martha. Teste: Wm. Lockridge, Samuel Lockridge, Thos. Adams. Proved, 21st September, 1790, by the Lockridges. Hamilton and Wm. Renocks qualify. http://files.usgwarchives.org/va/augusta/court/3court18.txt Southern Campaign American Revolution Pension Statements & Rosters Pension Application of William Hamilton R4513 Transcribed and annotated by C. Leon Harris State of Virginia } Greenbrier County } S.S . On this day 29 of June in the year 1847 personally th appeard in open court before the Court of Greenbrier County now sitting Andrew Hamilton Executor of the Estate of Captain William Hamilton, deceased resident of said County of Greenbrier State of Virginia, who being first duly sworn, according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration (in behalf of himself and the other children of William Hamilton and his wife Isabel Hamilton deceased of aid County of Greenbrier, in order to obtain the benefit of the provisions made by the act of Congress passed July the 4th 1836.) That his father the said William Hamilton was a Captain in the Indian spies of the revolutionary service and died in the year 1825 on the 9th day of December and that his widow the said Isabel Hamilton survived him a number of years and died on the 15th day of March in the year 1846. That the following are all the children of the said William Hamilton and Isabel his wife to wit. Sarah, Andrew & Jacob – all are now living in this County – Mary (wife of Rennik) decd. John also dead. The last two died in the state of Ohio both leaving heirs, the number and names not known. Martha and Elizabeth both married Skiles and are dead leaving heirs, number and names not known these two died in the state of Kentucky – also a son now dead by the name of William – he died in Greenbrier County state of Virginia, leaving three children. The said William Hamilton was a captain of the Indian spies during the revolution and served as follows to wit, A commander of a company stationed on Muddy Creek, and his principle field of labor was on the frontier of western Virginia protecting the frontier, from the ravages of the Indians. That they belive their father was married to the said Isabel about the year 1773 and that the marriage took place in the County Augusta, state of Virginia, that their mothers maiden name was Isabel Clemens that the said Isabel never married after the death of her husband the said William Hamilton and that she died in the County of Greenbrier on the 16th [written over 15th or vice versa] day March 1846 without ever having drawn the arrearage of pension due to her, on account of the services of her husband as aforesaid and the preceding declaration is made by her children for the purpose of drawing what was due at the time of her death. And the declamants do hereby relinquish every claim to an annuity or pension, except the present, and declare that their names are not on the pension roll of the agency of any state, nor was the name of either their father or mother on the pension roll of the agency of any state. Sworn to subscribed & acknowledged in open Court the day & year above written [signed] Andrew Hamilton Executor of Wm Hamilton More details here: http://southerncampaign.org/pen/r4513.pdf

Hi, Luella, After you click on the link to the book, below, find the search box on the left side. Enter the spelling 'Kinkaid' and that should show you p. 93 and several more. Click on the blue underlined page number to see the whole page. Unfortunately not all of the records in the book will be shown, because the author wants you to buy the book! Let me know if that does not work. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Luella Lowther Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call The page would come up, but was blank. It would say that a page was not in the book. Is there some other way that this could be sent? Luella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > There are records for a Joseph Kincaid in this book of records for > Monongalia County, (West) Virginia, one with the date of 1805 for Joseph. > > P. 93 in this book has a record for James Kinkade and David Kinkaid in > 1803. > There is also another record for David Kinkaid in 1797. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=DpqzdsPAMIEC&pg=PA307&lpg=PA307&dq=%22Joseph+Kincaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=DC41eMc8or&sig=L5J9VeJQxhq3lJJKFKXP82MT7KQ&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Joseph%20Kincaid%22%20%2B%20Monongalia&f=false > > ********************** > This next book for Monongalia County has records for Phillip > Patterson/Paterson who married Nancy Kincaid in 1809 in Monongalia County. > There are also more Kincaid/Kinkaid > records. A William Kinkade and wife Mary sell/give 62 acres to John > Kinkade. > > There are records for Joseph using the 'Kincade' spelling. His wife's > name > was Mary...see p. 84. > There is a record for Moses Kincade on p. 84. I didn't see David Kincaid > mentioned in this group of records, which are dated a few years later than > in the above book. > > Too many records to list are under the 'Kincaid' spelling. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=hVFB0680b1UC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=%22Joseph+Kincaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=-VaGXr9AMf&sig=Hw-WV52nQHSbCm1JnDcrK0VKzxo&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBw#v=snippet&q=Patterson&f=false > > > Barbara > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald Kincaid > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > >> Roll Call. > > Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - > > I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till 1989 when I > moved > to Minnesota. > > My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, 03/20/1906 > > My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/27/1879 > > My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/30/1860 > > My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 04/27/1839 > > My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in Ireland around > 1790. > This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia County WV ( then the > state of VA). > > Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to Connelsville PA due to > his working for the then B&O Railroad. Connelsville was a teminus for the > railroad at that time. > > For some time now I have been trying to establish a link between Richard > Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. I have closely > watched all the links that have been presented on this rootsweb and have > even written to Peter but all to no avail. > > Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN > ,> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3356 - Release Date: 01/03/11 > 07:34:00 > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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It appears, by the dates herein, that this Andrew Hamilton was not the son of Archibald Hamilton/Frances. Their son Andrew was in South Carolina in 1789. Page 347.--25th June, 1771. Henry Murray and Rosannah, of Rowan County, North Carolina, to Robert McCittrick, in Jennings Gap, 90 acres patented to said Henry, 3d May, 1763. Teste: Samuel Young, Wm.. Kinkead, Andrew Hamilton, Jno. Mcllvain, Thomas Cowan, Archibald Kinkead, Thos. Kinkead. Proved, 21st July, 1789, by Hamilton and Wm. and Archibald Kinkade. http://files.usgwarchives.net/va/augusta/court/3court58.txt Was the above Andrew Hamilton the son of Andrew Hamilton/Martha Kinkead? Andrew Hamilton, Sr.'s will: Page 260.--15th February, 1788. Andrew Hamilton's will, of the Calfpasture--To wife, Martha; to son, William; to son, Andrew; to each grandson named Andrew, 250 acres in Kentucky; to all my daughters; to sons William and Andrew, all books. Executors, son William and son-in-law Wm. Rennocks, wife Martha. Teste: Wm. Lockridge, Samuel Lockridge, Thos. Adams. Proved, 21st September, 1790, by the Lockridges. Hamilton and Wm. Renocks qualify. http://files.usgwarchives.org/va/augusta/court/3court18.txt Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Van Hout Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry I have read some of the Hamilton Revolutionary War pension applications to look for relevant information, which I will post. Many of the Hamiltons were from Augusta Co, VA. This Major Andrew Hamilton was baptized in 1741 in Augusta County, VA by Rev. John Craig, and then moved to the in the Ninety- Six District of South Carolina by 1775, as indicated in his RW pension application. Hamilton family websites indicate that he was the son of Archibald Hamilton/Frances Calhoun. See statement #6 below...he was intimately known by John C Calhoun, vice president of the United States. Pension application of Andrew Hamilton S18000 Transcribed by Will Graves 7/27/09 http://www.southerncampaign.org/pen/s18000.pdf "That he entered the service of his country the United States as a Captain of a Volunteer company which was raised and organized for the protection and defense of the country at as early a period as the year 1775". "Applicant answers & says that he was born in Augusta County in the State of Virginia, and that he was baptized by the Reverend John Craig on the 17th day of July in the year 1741 in the State of Virginia Augusta County. -- Ans to 2nd Inty-- The Applicant says the only record he has of his age is a copy of the date of his baptism, which he took from the books of the Reverend John Craig in the State of Virginia. Ans to 3rd Inty-- The Applicant says that he was living in Ninety Six District in the State of South Carolina when he was called into the service of his country, that he has lived since the revolutionary war in the same State, and District, now called Abbeville District, where he now lives. – Ans to 4th Inty-- This Applicant answers & says, that he entered the service as a Volunteer and ended his service in the Revolutionary War throughout a volunteer, he was never drafted, & never was a substitute. – Ans to 5th Inty-- General Greene, Colonel Campbell, Colonel Williams, Colonel Lee, -- others the Applicant cannot now recollect -- the Applicant does not recollect much about the regiments of continentals, or Militia, this much he knows, that both kinds of troops were with him and fought hard at Eutaw, he knew Colonel Hammond, Colonel Washington & General Pickens at Eutaw. Ans to 6th Inty-- The Applicant is known to James Wardlaw, Esquire, Colonel Patrick Noble, Moses Taggart Esquire and to the greater part of the population of Abbeville District he is also intimately known to John C. Calhoun vice president of the United States, and to many" Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Van Hout Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry This is the famous Calhoun family of early Augusta, Virginia>South Carolina. According to this family history, the ancestors were also Alexander Calhoun and Judith Hamilton. This Calhoun/Colhoun family has records in Chalkley's Chronicles. JAMES C (CALDWELL) CALHOUN American statesman and parliamentarian, was born, of Scottish-Irish descent, in Abbeville District, South Carolina, on the 18th of March 1782. His father, Patrick Calhoun, is said to have been born in Donegal, North Ireland, but to have left Ireland when a mere child. The family seems to have emigrated first to Pennsylvania, whence they removed, after Braddock's defeat, to Western Virginia. From Virginia they removed in 1756 to South Carolina and settled on Long Cane Creek, in Granville (now Abbeville) county. Patrick Calhoun attained some prominence in the colony, serving in the colonial legislature, and afterwards in the state legislature, and taking part in the War of Independence. In 1770 he had married Martha Caldwell, the daughter of another Scottish-Irish settler. Father: Patrick Calhoun (b. Northern Ireland) Mother: Martha Caldwell Wife: Floride Bouneau Calhoun (m. 1811) University: BA, Yale University (1804) Law School: Litchfield Law School, Litchfield, CT http://www.nndb.com/people/902/000043773/ ***************** Name James Patrick CALHOUN Birth1688, Newtownstewart (Crosh House), Tyrone, Ireland Death1741, Chestnut Level, Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Patrick Calhoun was married to Catherine Montgomery. Father Reverand Alexander CALHOUN Mother Lady Judith HAMILTON Misc. Notes In Ireland, the Calhouns spelled their name Colhoun (Colquhoun in some records) before moving to the States. Patrick and Catherine took their children to America in 1733, after her Stewart children were grown. They landed either in New York or Philadelphia and moved to Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania, where they settled in the Chestnut Level area. Around 1748, some time after Patrick’s death, Catherine moved her family to some new lands that were opening up in Augusta Co., Virginia. Misc. Notes Following the death of Alexander, Catherine remarried in 1713, in County Donegal, Ireland to James Patrick Calhoun, son of Reverand Alexander Calhoun and Lady Judith Hamilton. Patrick and Catherine took their children to America in 1733, after her Stewart children were grown. They landed at New York or Philadelphia and moved to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, where they settled in the Chestnut Level area. Around 1748, some time after Patrick’s death, Catherine moved her family to some new lands that were opening up in Augusta County, Virginia. In 1755 the Indians became more active and Catherine moved again to the Long Cane Creek area of Abbeville, South Carolina. They moved in the middle of winter and got there in February 1756. The place for a while was called North and South Forks of Calhoun Creek, where it joined the Little river. They were sixteen miles from the nearest Indian settlement and thought they would be safe there. The morning of January 31, 1760 a messenger came through the little settlement and told them that the Indians were on the warpath and moving toward their area. The afternoon of January 31st and the morning of February 1st were spent loading wagons and getting provisions ready to move out. About noon on February 1st, some 200-250 settlers moved out for Augusta, Georgia, a larger town about 40 miles southeast of their location. They had only gone about 10 miles when in crossing the Long Canes Creek, several wagons got stuck. By the time they had all the wagons across the creek it was dark so they camped for the night. Soon after dark, they were attacked by a band of Cherokee Indians. Some of the settlers escaped by horseback, some on foot, but most of them scattered finding shelter in the trees or where ever they could hide. Mostly women and children were killed as 23 settlers were left dead at the sign of the massacre. The Indians had burned all the wagons and nearly all the goods were stolen. In the group that was killed, Catherine Montgomery Stewart Calhoun was among them. She was 76 years old. A monument to the dead, including Catherine, was erected in the 1790’s by Catherine’s son, Patrick Calhoun. Two small girls, ages 3 and 5 of the Calhoun’s were abducted by the Indians. One eventually returned, but the other was never heard from again. More here: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~celiadon/ps05/ps05_141.htm Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Sue Liedtke Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry Thank you for the further information. Would widow Judith Calhoun Gorden have been another daughter of Rev Alexander/Judith Calhoun? This will take a bit of thinking to understand. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry Sue et al, In 2002, I was responding to the following post: ***** From: "Jeff Davis" <[email protected]> Subject: [KINCAID] Robert Kinkead Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:01:23 -0400 Can anyone identify or expand on any of the following?: Robert Kinkead was born in County Tyrone, Ireland of parents in common circumstances. He married a Calhoun, by whom he had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine, all of whom were born in County Tyrone, Ireland. David arrived in Philadelphia on the "Lazy Mary" in 1783. Joseph died in Ireland without a family. John died in Egg Harbor, U.S. (NJ?) leaving a wife and two boys in Ireland. ***** This seemed to be new information to me and I wondered what the source was. I noted that perhaps the Robert here was the Robert who was the Robert mentioned in the Will of Joseph Kinkead of Birnaghs, County Tyrone. However, in further discussions it was revealed that other family sources states that this family was from Dungarven, County Waterford. This made things inconclusive. I did not say that Joseph's son Robert married a Calhoun. The above did. Now with regards to my comment about Oval Calhoun account of a Charles Kinkead marrying a Helen Calhoun. Orval O. Calhoun writes the following in "800 Years of Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family History." Helen Colhoun, born c-1698, was the third daughter and the eigth child of Rev. Alexander & Judith Colhoun, and she married Charles Kincaid, and they lived at Strabane, County Tyrone, Ire. She had died before 1772, but Charles was still alive and living in one of the houses belonging to Rev. Alexander Colhoun Jr. in 1772, when he made the assignment of property over to his son Charles Colhoun, at the time of his coming of marriage. Orval Calhoun later quotes the agreement on page 357. It reads as follows: MSS of Arts & Agreement, Nov. 3-1772, between Rev. Alexander Colhoun of Sixmilecross, Co. Tyrone, for Charles Colhoun, Gent, Youngest son of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, & on behalf of Mary Anderson, a minor, daughter & only child of James Anderson; and James Anderson Esq. of Killashandra, Co. Cavan, and Rev. M. Galbraith, of the marraige shortly intended between Charles Colhoun and Mary Anderson, for £200 paid by James Anderson, Alexander Colhoun did grant, the house & Offices in the town of Strabane, then last in the possession of Charles Kinkaid, Merchant, the house & tenements in Strabane in possession of John S. Hamilton Esq., and after the decease of Judith (Colhoun) Gordon, Widow, house & tenement in Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh, & property in Sixmilecross, then in possession of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, Charles Father, and after the decease of Said Alexander Colhoun and James Anderson, and their respective wives, Margaret Colhoun and Sophia Anderson, the Estates to descend to Said Charles Colhoun and Mary, His intended Wife. Now the age of Helen Calhoun places here contemporary with Old Charles Kinkead of Baronscourt. Orval states that he felt that Charles was still alive in 1772 based on the above record. My comment is that I think the Charles of the 1772 record was young Charles Kinkead (son of Robert) who was a merchant in Strabane and who failed business wise in 1769. Thus, Orval was mixing them up. HOWEVER, if Helen Calhoun, daughter of Rev. Alexander Calhoun, was married to a Charles Kinkead then this Charles must have been the old Charles Kinkead. Now going back to the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary, noted above. There is no mention of a son Charles. Charles Kinkead, the son Robert of Baronscourt, was Robert's oldest son and heir. This makes me think the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary was not the Robert of Baronscourt. Since 2002 I located a number of additional records which indicate that Robert of Baronscourt was married to a Mary and that he likely had a son David but this David was of Drumbeg, County Donegal and he died in 1771. I agree that figuring out these Baronscourt Kinkeads will be a great help to the DNA project as I believe many of the participants in the project tie directly into this extended family. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it > on > the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), > for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun > and > the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who > Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old > notes > and I am still confused. > > When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps > the > son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, > whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you > thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married > a > Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? > > If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as > Baron's > Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish > Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. > Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah > Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 > Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to > the > Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. > > You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in > Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, > David, > Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph > died > in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife > and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query > other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. > > You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's > brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 > DNA > with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid > connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid > Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great > Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. > > Sue Liedtke To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xlsTo join the DNA project, go to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here are two Lockharts in the Chester County tax lists. 1747 is the only year that they appear. http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Kincaid::patton::4606.html 1747 Sadsbury Twp Chester Co Pa tax list Lockhart, Alexander + Lockhart, James -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Van Hout Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 3:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry Norman, Here is a possible William Kincaid record...this is from the research of David V. Agricola, M.D., who did so much research on the Patton families before he passed away. Patton records in Pennsylvania prior to 1850 http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Kincaid::patton::4606.html 1747 West Marlborough (1747 list runs to 67 pages) Wiliam Pusey James Chalfen (Chalfant) William Patten 1.6.0 [Wm Jr] William Kinken? Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry An Andrew Hamilton received warrant Sept. 10, 1735, received a patent the same day for 1500 acres, see the survey: http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/Books%20BB1-BB4/Book%20BB3/Book%20BB3%203.pdf Part of Conestogoe Manor I didn't find any Lockhardts in the warrant register for Lancaster County, PA. Furthermore, I have never found any record for this Thomas Kincaid in Lancaster County, PA. Sincerely Norman Kincaide --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Sue Liedtke <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Sue Liedtke <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from > Londonderry > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:12 PM > > Patrick (Calhoun) and > Catherine took their children to America in 1733, > > after her > > Stewart children were grown. They landed either in New > York or > > Philadelphia > > and moved to Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania, where they > settled in the > > Chestnut > > Level area. Around 1748, some time after Patrick’s > death, Catherine moved > > her family to some new lands that were opening up in > Augusta Co., > > Virginia. > > The 1733 date corresponds with the April 29, 1733 departure > from Belfast of > the Ship Hope with Archibald Hamilton & wife > Frances Calhoun and Andrew > Hamilton & wife Martha Kinkead on it. I wonder who else > was on that ship and > if the manifest shows Patrick/Catherine? The probability is > high that these > couples also went to Chestnut Level (or close by) in > Lancaster Co. before > coming to Augusta Co. > > Thomas Kincaid/Margaret Lockhart bought land from James > Lockridge very near > Andrew Hamilton/Martha Kincaid on the Great Calf Pasture. > From "Chalkley's Cronicles" Kincaid vs Lockridge. > "William Kinkead, an infant under the age of 21 years, son > and heir-at-law > of Thomas Kinkead, late of County of Augusta, by James > Lockhard, his nest > friend. Bill filed May, 1753. Thomas Kinkead, in 1747, > removed from the > Province of Pennsylvania with orator and Thomas's family. > On November 19, > 1747, Thomas bought 263a joining John Preston, Robert > Lockridge, Robert Gwin > in Augusta County. Thomas died in 1750 intestate, leaving a > widow and ____ > children. of whom orator is eldest. Bond of James > Lockridge, of Augusta > County, with Thomas Kinkead of Lancaster County, > Pennsylvania, dated 19th > November, 1747" > > Since the "orator" was James Lockhart, who was representing > William, the > words "orator is eldest" is a bit confusing. I also think > it strange that > Thomas, who was "of Lancaster Co" in Nov. 1747 would have > moved his family > in the dead of winter without a shelter awaiting them. A > more likely > scenerio would have the actual removal from Lancaster Co. > as soon as the > roads were passable in the spring. The discrepancy may also > be due to the > year shift. Also the "orator" moved with Thomas' family. > Does he mean > Thomas' wife and children or perhaps one or more of Thomas' > siblings. The > actual transcript may shed more light. > > It is also confusing that James Lockridge actually bought > half the 1040a > (lot 17) surveyed for John Preston (who d Feb 1747/8) from > P & L in 1748. In > 1763 James Lockridge sold the other 260a of this half of > lot 17 to a Moses > McElvan who sold to Thomas Kincaid (between Wm Kincaid and > Robert Gwinn). > The other half of lot 17 derived to John Preston's son > William who sold to > his daughter Mary who in 1763 sold to Robert Lockridge who > sold to David > (Winnefred) and John (Elizabeth) in 1764. The Kincaids sold > to Wm Meeter in > 1770. (Note that this is the same year that John the Weaver > started selling > his GCP land). John the Clerk's land (bought in 1745 with > the mortgage help > of David) was lot 18. John the Clerk sold the lower half to > John the Weaver > in 1754. Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton's land was not part > of the P&L > patent. It lay on a side stream very near lot 18. Andrew > Hamilton was on > road orders for the Calf Pasture in 1745. This is a > nice little Kincaid > nest lead by the Hamiltons and John the Clerk in 1745, > followed shortly by > Thomas in 1747/8 then John the Weaver in 1754. > > Since it is often the case that other members of a family > would migrate > together or shortly after a pioneering member, I am > wondering if the > Lockhart family lived in the Chestnut Level area of > Lancaster Co. before > coming to Augusta. If so, a working HYPOTHESIS may be that > Thomas and Martha > Kincaid Hamilton were siblings. A possible 3rd sibling may > be John the Clerk > or John the Weaver. Note that a hypothesis is only a > direction for further > study. It needs substantial work prior to any degree of > certainty. The > connection of Martha to the Hamilton family of Ards may be > a valuable clue. > > Sue Liedtke > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An Andrew Hamilton received warrant Sept. 10, 1735, received a patent the same day for 1500 acres, see the survey: http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/Books%20BB1-BB4/Book%20BB3/Book%20BB3%203.pdf Part of Conestogoe Manor I didn't find any Lockhardts in the warrant register for Lancaster County, PA. Furthermore, I have never found any record for this Thomas Kincaid in Lancaster County, PA. Sincerely Norman Kincaide --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Sue Liedtke <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Sue Liedtke <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:12 PM > > Patrick (Calhoun) and > Catherine  took their children to America in 1733, > > after her > > Stewart children were grown. They landed either in New > York or > > Philadelphia > > and moved to Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania, where they > settled in the > > Chestnut > > Level area. Around 1748, some time after Patrick’s > death, Catherine moved > > her family to some new lands that were opening up in > Augusta Co., > > Virginia. > > The 1733 date corresponds with the April 29, 1733 departure > from Belfast of > the Ship Hope with  Archibald Hamilton & wife > Frances Calhoun and Andrew > Hamilton & wife Martha Kinkead on it. I wonder who else > was on that ship and > if the manifest shows Patrick/Catherine? The probability is > high that these > couples also went to Chestnut Level (or close by) in > Lancaster Co. before > coming to Augusta Co. > > Thomas Kincaid/Margaret Lockhart bought land from James > Lockridge very near > Andrew Hamilton/Martha Kincaid on the Great Calf Pasture. > From "Chalkley's Cronicles" Kincaid vs Lockridge. > "William Kinkead, an infant under the age of 21 years, son > and heir-at-law > of Thomas Kinkead, late of County of Augusta, by James > Lockhard, his nest > friend. Bill filed May, 1753. Thomas Kinkead, in 1747, > removed from the > Province of Pennsylvania with orator and Thomas's family. > On November 19, > 1747, Thomas bought 263a joining John Preston, Robert > Lockridge, Robert Gwin > in Augusta County. Thomas died in 1750 intestate, leaving a > widow and ____ > children. of whom orator is eldest. Bond of James > Lockridge, of Augusta > County, with Thomas Kinkead of Lancaster County, > Pennsylvania, dated 19th > November, 1747" > > Since the "orator" was James Lockhart, who was representing > William, the > words "orator is eldest" is a bit confusing. I also think > it strange that > Thomas, who was "of Lancaster Co" in Nov. 1747 would have > moved his family > in the dead of winter without a shelter awaiting them. A > more likely > scenerio would have the actual removal from Lancaster Co. > as soon as the > roads were passable in the spring. The discrepancy may also > be due to the > year shift. Also the "orator" moved with Thomas' family. > Does he mean > Thomas' wife and children or perhaps one or more of Thomas' > siblings. The > actual transcript may shed more light. > > It is also confusing that James Lockridge actually bought > half the 1040a > (lot 17) surveyed for John Preston (who d Feb 1747/8) from > P & L in 1748. In > 1763 James Lockridge sold the other 260a of this half of > lot 17 to a Moses > McElvan who sold to Thomas Kincaid (between Wm Kincaid and > Robert Gwinn). > The other half of lot 17 derived to John Preston's son > William who sold to > his daughter Mary who in 1763 sold to Robert Lockridge who > sold to David > (Winnefred) and John (Elizabeth) in 1764. The Kincaids sold > to Wm Meeter in > 1770. (Note that this is the same year that John the Weaver > started selling > his GCP land). John the Clerk's land (bought in 1745 with > the mortgage help > of David) was lot 18. John the Clerk sold the lower half to > John the Weaver > in 1754. Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton's land was not part > of the P&L > patent. It lay on a side stream very near lot 18. Andrew > Hamilton was on > road orders for the Calf Pasture in 1745.  This is a > nice little Kincaid > nest lead by the Hamiltons and John the Clerk in 1745, > followed shortly by > Thomas in 1747/8 then John the Weaver in 1754. > > Since it is often the case that other members of a family > would migrate > together or shortly after a pioneering member, I am > wondering if the > Lockhart family lived in the Chestnut Level area of > Lancaster Co. before > coming to Augusta. If so, a working HYPOTHESIS may be that > Thomas and Martha > Kincaid Hamilton were siblings. A possible 3rd sibling may > be John the Clerk > or John the Weaver. Note that a hypothesis is only a > direction for further > study. It needs substantial work prior to any degree of > certainty. The > connection of Martha to the Hamilton family of Ards may be > a valuable clue. > > Sue Liedtke > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

> Patrick (Calhoun) and Catherine took their children to America in 1733, > after her > Stewart children were grown. They landed either in New York or > Philadelphia > and moved to Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania, where they settled in the > Chestnut > Level area. Around 1748, some time after Patrick’s death, Catherine moved > her family to some new lands that were opening up in Augusta Co., > Virginia. The 1733 date corresponds with the April 29, 1733 departure from Belfast of the Ship Hope with Archibald Hamilton & wife Frances Calhoun and Andrew Hamilton & wife Martha Kinkead on it. I wonder who else was on that ship and if the manifest shows Patrick/Catherine? The probability is high that these couples also went to Chestnut Level (or close by) in Lancaster Co. before coming to Augusta Co. Thomas Kincaid/Margaret Lockhart bought land from James Lockridge very near Andrew Hamilton/Martha Kincaid on the Great Calf Pasture. >From "Chalkley's Cronicles" Kincaid vs Lockridge. "William Kinkead, an infant under the age of 21 years, son and heir-at-law of Thomas Kinkead, late of County of Augusta, by James Lockhard, his nest friend. Bill filed May, 1753. Thomas Kinkead, in 1747, removed from the Province of Pennsylvania with orator and Thomas's family. On November 19, 1747, Thomas bought 263a joining John Preston, Robert Lockridge, Robert Gwin in Augusta County. Thomas died in 1750 intestate, leaving a widow and ____ children. of whom orator is eldest. Bond of James Lockridge, of Augusta County, with Thomas Kinkead of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, dated 19th November, 1747" Since the "orator" was James Lockhart, who was representing William, the words "orator is eldest" is a bit confusing. I also think it strange that Thomas, who was "of Lancaster Co" in Nov. 1747 would have moved his family in the dead of winter without a shelter awaiting them. A more likely scenerio would have the actual removal from Lancaster Co. as soon as the roads were passable in the spring. The discrepancy may also be due to the year shift. Also the "orator" moved with Thomas' family. Does he mean Thomas' wife and children or perhaps one or more of Thomas' siblings. The actual transcript may shed more light. It is also confusing that James Lockridge actually bought half the 1040a (lot 17) surveyed for John Preston (who d Feb 1747/8) from P & L in 1748. In 1763 James Lockridge sold the other 260a of this half of lot 17 to a Moses McElvan who sold to Thomas Kincaid (between Wm Kincaid and Robert Gwinn). The other half of lot 17 derived to John Preston's son William who sold to his daughter Mary who in 1763 sold to Robert Lockridge who sold to David (Winnefred) and John (Elizabeth) in 1764. The Kincaids sold to Wm Meeter in 1770. (Note that this is the same year that John the Weaver started selling his GCP land). John the Clerk's land (bought in 1745 with the mortgage help of David) was lot 18. John the Clerk sold the lower half to John the Weaver in 1754. Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton's land was not part of the P&L patent. It lay on a side stream very near lot 18. Andrew Hamilton was on road orders for the Calf Pasture in 1745. This is a nice little Kincaid nest lead by the Hamiltons and John the Clerk in 1745, followed shortly by Thomas in 1747/8 then John the Weaver in 1754. Since it is often the case that other members of a family would migrate together or shortly after a pioneering member, I am wondering if the Lockhart family lived in the Chestnut Level area of Lancaster Co. before coming to Augusta. If so, a working HYPOTHESIS may be that Thomas and Martha Kincaid Hamilton were siblings. A possible 3rd sibling may be John the Clerk or John the Weaver. Note that a hypothesis is only a direction for further study. It needs substantial work prior to any degree of certainty. The connection of Martha to the Hamilton family of Ards may be a valuable clue. Sue Liedtke

The page would come up, but was blank. It would say that a page was not in the book. Is there some other way that this could be sent? Luella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > There are records for a Joseph Kincaid in this book of records for > Monongalia County, (West) Virginia, one with the date of 1805 for Joseph. > > P. 93 in this book has a record for James Kinkade and David Kinkaid in > 1803. > There is also another record for David Kinkaid in 1797. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=DpqzdsPAMIEC&pg=PA307&lpg=PA307&dq=%22Joseph+Kincaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=DC41eMc8or&sig=L5J9VeJQxhq3lJJKFKXP82MT7KQ&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Joseph%20Kincaid%22%20%2B%20Monongalia&f=false > > ********************** > This next book for Monongalia County has records for Phillip > Patterson/Paterson who married Nancy Kincaid in 1809 in Monongalia County. > There are also more Kincaid/Kinkaid > records. A William Kinkade and wife Mary sell/give 62 acres to John > Kinkade. > > There are records for Joseph using the 'Kincade' spelling. His wife's > name > was Mary...see p. 84. > There is a record for Moses Kincade on p. 84. I didn't see David Kincaid > mentioned in this group of records, which are dated a few years later than > in the above book. > > Too many records to list are under the 'Kincaid' spelling. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=hVFB0680b1UC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=%22Joseph+Kincaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=-VaGXr9AMf&sig=Hw-WV52nQHSbCm1JnDcrK0VKzxo&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBw#v=snippet&q=Patterson&f=false > > > Barbara > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald Kincaid > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > >> Roll Call. > > Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - > > I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till 1989 when I > moved > to Minnesota. > > My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, 03/20/1906 > > My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/27/1879 > > My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/30/1860 > > My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 04/27/1839 > > My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in Ireland around > 1790. > This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia County WV ( then the > state of VA). > > Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to Connelsville PA due to > his working for the then B&O Railroad. Connelsville was a teminus for the > railroad at that time. > > For some time now I have been trying to establish a link between Richard > Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. 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I have read some of the Hamilton Revolutionary War pension applications to look for relevant information, which I will post. Many of the Hamiltons were from Augusta Co, VA. This Major Andrew Hamilton was baptized in 1741 in Augusta County, VA by Rev. John Craig, and then moved to the in the Ninety- Six District of South Carolina by 1775, as indicated in his RW pension application. Hamilton family websites indicate that he was the son of Archibald Hamilton/Frances Calhoun. See statement #6 below...he was intimately known by John C Calhoun, vice president of the United States. Pension application of Andrew Hamilton S18000 Transcribed by Will Graves 7/27/09 http://www.southerncampaign.org/pen/s18000.pdf "That he entered the service of his country the United States as a Captain of a Volunteer company which was raised and organized for the protection and defense of the country at as early a period as the year 1775". "Applicant answers & says that he was born in Augusta County in the State of Virginia, and that he was baptized by the Reverend John Craig on the 17th day of July in the year 1741 in the State of Virginia Augusta County. -- Ans to 2nd Inty-- The Applicant says the only record he has of his age is a copy of the date of his baptism, which he took from the books of the Reverend John Craig in the State of Virginia. Ans to 3rd Inty-- The Applicant says that he was living in Ninety Six District in the State of South Carolina when he was called into the service of his country, that he has lived since the revolutionary war in the same State, and District, now called Abbeville District, where he now lives. – Ans to 4th Inty-- This Applicant answers & says, that he entered the service as a Volunteer and ended his service in the Revolutionary War throughout a volunteer, he was never drafted, & never was a substitute. – Ans to 5th Inty-- General Greene, Colonel Campbell, Colonel Williams, Colonel Lee, -- others the Applicant cannot now recollect -- the Applicant does not recollect much about the regiments of continentals, or Militia, this much he knows, that both kinds of troops were with him and fought hard at Eutaw, he knew Colonel Hammond, Colonel Washington & General Pickens at Eutaw. Ans to 6th Inty-- The Applicant is known to James Wardlaw, Esquire, Colonel Patrick Noble, Moses Taggart Esquire and to the greater part of the population of Abbeville District he is also intimately known to John C. Calhoun vice president of the United States, and to many" Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Van Hout Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 1:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry This is the famous Calhoun family of early Augusta, Virginia>South Carolina. According to this family history, the ancestors were also Alexander Calhoun and Judith Hamilton. This Calhoun/Colhoun family has records in Chalkley's Chronicles. JAMES C (CALDWELL) CALHOUN American statesman and parliamentarian, was born, of Scottish-Irish descent, in Abbeville District, South Carolina, on the 18th of March 1782. His father, Patrick Calhoun, is said to have been born in Donegal, North Ireland, but to have left Ireland when a mere child. The family seems to have emigrated first to Pennsylvania, whence they removed, after Braddock's defeat, to Western Virginia. From Virginia they removed in 1756 to South Carolina and settled on Long Cane Creek, in Granville (now Abbeville) county. Patrick Calhoun attained some prominence in the colony, serving in the colonial legislature, and afterwards in the state legislature, and taking part in the War of Independence. In 1770 he had married Martha Caldwell, the daughter of another Scottish-Irish settler. Father: Patrick Calhoun (b. Northern Ireland) Mother: Martha Caldwell Wife: Floride Bouneau Calhoun (m. 1811) University: BA, Yale University (1804) Law School: Litchfield Law School, Litchfield, CT http://www.nndb.com/people/902/000043773/ ***************** Name James Patrick CALHOUN Birth1688, Newtownstewart (Crosh House), Tyrone, Ireland Death1741, Chestnut Level, Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Patrick Calhoun was married to Catherine Montgomery. Father Reverand Alexander CALHOUN Mother Lady Judith HAMILTON Misc. Notes In Ireland, the Calhouns spelled their name Colhoun (Colquhoun in some records) before moving to the States. Patrick and Catherine took their children to America in 1733, after her Stewart children were grown. They landed either in New York or Philadelphia and moved to Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania, where they settled in the Chestnut Level area. Around 1748, some time after Patrick’s death, Catherine moved her family to some new lands that were opening up in Augusta Co., Virginia. Misc. Notes Following the death of Alexander, Catherine remarried in 1713, in County Donegal, Ireland to James Patrick Calhoun, son of Reverand Alexander Calhoun and Lady Judith Hamilton. Patrick and Catherine took their children to America in 1733, after her Stewart children were grown. They landed at New York or Philadelphia and moved to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, where they settled in the Chestnut Level area. Around 1748, some time after Patrick’s death, Catherine moved her family to some new lands that were opening up in Augusta County, Virginia. In 1755 the Indians became more active and Catherine moved again to the Long Cane Creek area of Abbeville, South Carolina. They moved in the middle of winter and got there in February 1756. The place for a while was called North and South Forks of Calhoun Creek, where it joined the Little river. They were sixteen miles from the nearest Indian settlement and thought they would be safe there. The morning of January 31, 1760 a messenger came through the little settlement and told them that the Indians were on the warpath and moving toward their area. The afternoon of January 31st and the morning of February 1st were spent loading wagons and getting provisions ready to move out. About noon on February 1st, some 200-250 settlers moved out for Augusta, Georgia, a larger town about 40 miles southeast of their location. They had only gone about 10 miles when in crossing the Long Canes Creek, several wagons got stuck. By the time they had all the wagons across the creek it was dark so they camped for the night. Soon after dark, they were attacked by a band of Cherokee Indians. Some of the settlers escaped by horseback, some on foot, but most of them scattered finding shelter in the trees or where ever they could hide. Mostly women and children were killed as 23 settlers were left dead at the sign of the massacre. The Indians had burned all the wagons and nearly all the goods were stolen. In the group that was killed, Catherine Montgomery Stewart Calhoun was among them. She was 76 years old. A monument to the dead, including Catherine, was erected in the 1790’s by Catherine’s son, Patrick Calhoun. Two small girls, ages 3 and 5 of the Calhoun’s were abducted by the Indians. One eventually returned, but the other was never heard from again. More here: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~celiadon/ps05/ps05_141.htm Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Sue Liedtke Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry Thank you for the further information. Would widow Judith Calhoun Gorden have been another daughter of Rev Alexander/Judith Calhoun? This will take a bit of thinking to understand. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry Sue et al, In 2002, I was responding to the following post: ***** From: "Jeff Davis" <[email protected]> Subject: [KINCAID] Robert Kinkead Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:01:23 -0400 Can anyone identify or expand on any of the following?: Robert Kinkead was born in County Tyrone, Ireland of parents in common circumstances. He married a Calhoun, by whom he had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine, all of whom were born in County Tyrone, Ireland. David arrived in Philadelphia on the "Lazy Mary" in 1783. Joseph died in Ireland without a family. John died in Egg Harbor, U.S. (NJ?) leaving a wife and two boys in Ireland. ***** This seemed to be new information to me and I wondered what the source was. I noted that perhaps the Robert here was the Robert who was the Robert mentioned in the Will of Joseph Kinkead of Birnaghs, County Tyrone. However, in further discussions it was revealed that other family sources states that this family was from Dungarven, County Waterford. This made things inconclusive. I did not say that Joseph's son Robert married a Calhoun. The above did. Now with regards to my comment about Oval Calhoun account of a Charles Kinkead marrying a Helen Calhoun. Orval O. Calhoun writes the following in "800 Years of Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family History." Helen Colhoun, born c-1698, was the third daughter and the eigth child of Rev. Alexander & Judith Colhoun, and she married Charles Kincaid, and they lived at Strabane, County Tyrone, Ire. She had died before 1772, but Charles was still alive and living in one of the houses belonging to Rev. Alexander Colhoun Jr. in 1772, when he made the assignment of property over to his son Charles Colhoun, at the time of his coming of marriage. Orval Calhoun later quotes the agreement on page 357. It reads as follows: MSS of Arts & Agreement, Nov. 3-1772, between Rev. Alexander Colhoun of Sixmilecross, Co. Tyrone, for Charles Colhoun, Gent, Youngest son of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, & on behalf of Mary Anderson, a minor, daughter & only child of James Anderson; and James Anderson Esq. of Killashandra, Co. Cavan, and Rev. M. Galbraith, of the marraige shortly intended between Charles Colhoun and Mary Anderson, for £200 paid by James Anderson, Alexander Colhoun did grant, the house & Offices in the town of Strabane, then last in the possession of Charles Kinkaid, Merchant, the house & tenements in Strabane in possession of John S. Hamilton Esq., and after the decease of Judith (Colhoun) Gordon, Widow, house & tenement in Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh, & property in Sixmilecross, then in possession of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, Charles Father, and after the decease of Said Alexander Colhoun and James Anderson, and their respective wives, Margaret Colhoun and Sophia Anderson, the Estates to descend to Said Charles Colhoun and Mary, His intended Wife. Now the age of Helen Calhoun places here contemporary with Old Charles Kinkead of Baronscourt. Orval states that he felt that Charles was still alive in 1772 based on the above record. My comment is that I think the Charles of the 1772 record was young Charles Kinkead (son of Robert) who was a merchant in Strabane and who failed business wise in 1769. Thus, Orval was mixing them up. HOWEVER, if Helen Calhoun, daughter of Rev. Alexander Calhoun, was married to a Charles Kinkead then this Charles must have been the old Charles Kinkead. Now going back to the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary, noted above. There is no mention of a son Charles. Charles Kinkead, the son Robert of Baronscourt, was Robert's oldest son and heir. This makes me think the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary was not the Robert of Baronscourt. Since 2002 I located a number of additional records which indicate that Robert of Baronscourt was married to a Mary and that he likely had a son David but this David was of Drumbeg, County Donegal and he died in 1771. I agree that figuring out these Baronscourt Kinkeads will be a great help to the DNA project as I believe many of the participants in the project tie directly into this extended family. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it > on > the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), > for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun > and > the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who > Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old > notes > and I am still confused. > > When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps > the > son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, > whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you > thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married > a > Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? > > If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as > Baron's > Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish > Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. > Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah > Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 > Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to > the > Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. > > You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in > Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, > David, > Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph > died > in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife > and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query > other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. > > You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's > brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 > DNA > with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid > connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid > Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great > Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. > > Sue Liedtke To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xlsTo join the DNA project, go to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is now changed on the chart. The next time I upload, the address will be correct. Be sure and change it on your DNA page. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Treasa Brookman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: [KINCAID] new email >I have a new email after 20 years. > > [email protected] #4323 > > Gone wireless. > > Treasa > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a new email after 20 years. [email protected] #4323 Gone wireless. Treasa

Thanks for your response. It is greatly appreciated. After reading all the e-mails so far I believe that Peters is the closest to what I needed. I evidently mixed two families together without ever realizing it in my younger years. Thanks again, Ron K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > There are records for a Joseph Kincaid in this book of records for > Monongalia County, (West) Virginia, one with the date of 1805 for Joseph. > > P. 93 in this book has a record for James Kinkade and David Kinkaid in > 1803. > There is also another record for David Kinkaid in 1797. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=DpqzdsPAMIEC&pg=PA307&lpg=PA307&dq=%22Joseph+Kincaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=DC41eMc8or&sig=L5J9VeJQxhq3lJJKFKXP82MT7KQ&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Joseph%20Kincaid%22%20%2B%20Monongalia&f=false > > ********************** > This next book for Monongalia County has records for Phillip > Patterson/Paterson who married Nancy Kincaid in 1809 in Monongalia County. > There are also more Kincaid/Kinkaid > records. A William Kinkade and wife Mary sell/give 62 acres to John > Kinkade. > > There are records for Joseph using the 'Kincade' spelling. His wife's > name > was Mary...see p. 84. > There is a record for Moses Kincade on p. 84. I didn't see David Kincaid > mentioned in this group of records, which are dated a few years later than > in the above book. > > Too many records to list are under the 'Kincaid' spelling. > > http://books.google.com/books?id=hVFB0680b1UC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=%22Joseph+Kincaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=-VaGXr9AMf&sig=Hw-WV52nQHSbCm1JnDcrK0VKzxo&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBw#v=snippet&q=Patterson&f=false > > > Barbara > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald Kincaid > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > >> Roll Call. > > Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - > > I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till 1989 when I > moved > to Minnesota. > > My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, 03/20/1906 > > My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/27/1879 > > My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 08/30/1860 > > My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, > 04/27/1839 > > My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in Ireland around > 1790. > This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia County WV ( then the > state of VA). > > Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to Connelsville PA due to > his working for the then B&O Railroad. Connelsville was a teminus for the > railroad at that time. > > For some time now I have been trying to establish a link between Richard > Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. I have closely > watched all the links that have been presented on this rootsweb and have > even written to Peter but all to no avail. > > Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN > ,> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3356 - Release Date: 01/03/11 > 07:34:00 > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Congratulations Gramps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James R. Brisbin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: [KINCAID] roll call update > > A new name for the John Kincaid/Nancy Young Family: > > John Kincaid - Nancy Young > William Harrison Kincaid - Susan Wilson > James Madison Kincaid - Olivia Moss > Elizabeth Kincaid - John Wesley Perkins > Olivia Moss Perkins - John Francis Brisbin > James R. Brisbin - Carol Elizabeth Edmunds > James Michael Arthur Brisbin - Julie Ann Konrad > Ryan Thomas Konrad Brisbin - born 13 Jan. 2011 - 9 pds/2 oz. > > Respectfully submitted with great happiness and in kinship; > James R. Brisbin > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3379 - Release Date: 01/14/11 07:34:00

congrats James on the new grandbaby....Jeff ________________________________ From: James R. Brisbin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 7:19:04 PM Subject: [KINCAID] roll call update A new name for the John Kincaid/Nancy Young Family: John Kincaid - Nancy Young William Harrison Kincaid - Susan Wilson   James Madison Kincaid - Olivia Moss   Elizabeth Kincaid - John Wesley Perkins     Olivia Moss Perkins - John Francis Brisbin     James R. Brisbin - Carol Elizabeth Edmunds       James Michael Arthur Brisbin - Julie Ann Konrad     Ryan Thomas Konrad Brisbin - born 13 Jan. 2011 - 9 pds/2 oz.    Respectfully submitted with great happiness and in kinship;     James R. Brisbin  To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is the famous Calhoun family of early Augusta, Virginia>South Carolina. According to this family history, the ancestors were also Alexander Calhoun and Judith Hamilton. This Calhoun/Colhoun family has records in Chalkley's Chronicles. JAMES C (CALDWELL) CALHOUN American statesman and parliamentarian, was born, of Scottish-Irish descent, in Abbeville District, South Carolina, on the 18th of March 1782. His father, Patrick Calhoun, is said to have been born in Donegal, North Ireland, but to have left Ireland when a mere child. The family seems to have emigrated first to Pennsylvania, whence they removed, after Braddock's defeat, to Western Virginia. From Virginia they removed in 1756 to South Carolina and settled on Long Cane Creek, in Granville (now Abbeville) county. Patrick Calhoun attained some prominence in the colony, serving in the colonial legislature, and afterwards in the state legislature, and taking part in the War of Independence. In 1770 he had married Martha Caldwell, the daughter of another Scottish-Irish settler. Father: Patrick Calhoun (b. Northern Ireland) Mother: Martha Caldwell Wife: Floride Bouneau Calhoun (m. 1811) University: BA, Yale University (1804) Law School: Litchfield Law School, Litchfield, CT http://www.nndb.com/people/902/000043773/ ***************** Name James Patrick CALHOUN Birth1688, Newtownstewart (Crosh House), Tyrone, Ireland Death1741, Chestnut Level, Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Patrick Calhoun was married to Catherine Montgomery. Father Reverand Alexander CALHOUN Mother Lady Judith HAMILTON Misc. Notes In Ireland, the Calhouns spelled their name Colhoun (Colquhoun in some records) before moving to the States. Patrick and Catherine took their children to America in 1733, after her Stewart children were grown. They landed either in New York or Philadelphia and moved to Lancaster Co., Pennsylvania, where they settled in the Chestnut Level area. Around 1748, some time after Patrick’s death, Catherine moved her family to some new lands that were opening up in Augusta Co., Virginia. Misc. Notes Following the death of Alexander, Catherine remarried in 1713, in County Donegal, Ireland to James Patrick Calhoun, son of Reverand Alexander Calhoun and Lady Judith Hamilton. Patrick and Catherine took their children to America in 1733, after her Stewart children were grown. They landed at New York or Philadelphia and moved to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, where they settled in the Chestnut Level area. Around 1748, some time after Patrick’s death, Catherine moved her family to some new lands that were opening up in Augusta County, Virginia. In 1755 the Indians became more active and Catherine moved again to the Long Cane Creek area of Abbeville, South Carolina. They moved in the middle of winter and got there in February 1756. The place for a while was called North and South Forks of Calhoun Creek, where it joined the Little river. They were sixteen miles from the nearest Indian settlement and thought they would be safe there. The morning of January 31, 1760 a messenger came through the little settlement and told them that the Indians were on the warpath and moving toward their area. The afternoon of January 31st and the morning of February 1st were spent loading wagons and getting provisions ready to move out. About noon on February 1st, some 200-250 settlers moved out for Augusta, Georgia, a larger town about 40 miles southeast of their location. They had only gone about 10 miles when in crossing the Long Canes Creek, several wagons got stuck. By the time they had all the wagons across the creek it was dark so they camped for the night. Soon after dark, they were attacked by a band of Cherokee Indians. Some of the settlers escaped by horseback, some on foot, but most of them scattered finding shelter in the trees or where ever they could hide. Mostly women and children were killed as 23 settlers were left dead at the sign of the massacre. The Indians had burned all the wagons and nearly all the goods were stolen. In the group that was killed, Catherine Montgomery Stewart Calhoun was among them. She was 76 years old. A monument to the dead, including Catherine, was erected in the 1790’s by Catherine’s son, Patrick Calhoun. Two small girls, ages 3 and 5 of the Calhoun’s were abducted by the Indians. One eventually returned, but the other was never heard from again. More here: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~celiadon/ps05/ps05_141.htm Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Sue Liedtke Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry Thank you for the further information. Would widow Judith Calhoun Gorden have been another daughter of Rev Alexander/Judith Calhoun? This will take a bit of thinking to understand. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry Sue et al, In 2002, I was responding to the following post: ***** From: "Jeff Davis" <[email protected]> Subject: [KINCAID] Robert Kinkead Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:01:23 -0400 Can anyone identify or expand on any of the following?: Robert Kinkead was born in County Tyrone, Ireland of parents in common circumstances. He married a Calhoun, by whom he had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine, all of whom were born in County Tyrone, Ireland. David arrived in Philadelphia on the "Lazy Mary" in 1783. Joseph died in Ireland without a family. John died in Egg Harbor, U.S. (NJ?) leaving a wife and two boys in Ireland. ***** This seemed to be new information to me and I wondered what the source was. I noted that perhaps the Robert here was the Robert who was the Robert mentioned in the Will of Joseph Kinkead of Birnaghs, County Tyrone. However, in further discussions it was revealed that other family sources states that this family was from Dungarven, County Waterford. This made things inconclusive. I did not say that Joseph's son Robert married a Calhoun. The above did. Now with regards to my comment about Oval Calhoun account of a Charles Kinkead marrying a Helen Calhoun. Orval O. Calhoun writes the following in "800 Years of Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family History." Helen Colhoun, born c-1698, was the third daughter and the eigth child of Rev. Alexander & Judith Colhoun, and she married Charles Kincaid, and they lived at Strabane, County Tyrone, Ire. She had died before 1772, but Charles was still alive and living in one of the houses belonging to Rev. Alexander Colhoun Jr. in 1772, when he made the assignment of property over to his son Charles Colhoun, at the time of his coming of marriage. Orval Calhoun later quotes the agreement on page 357. It reads as follows: MSS of Arts & Agreement, Nov. 3-1772, between Rev. Alexander Colhoun of Sixmilecross, Co. Tyrone, for Charles Colhoun, Gent, Youngest son of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, & on behalf of Mary Anderson, a minor, daughter & only child of James Anderson; and James Anderson Esq. of Killashandra, Co. Cavan, and Rev. M. Galbraith, of the marraige shortly intended between Charles Colhoun and Mary Anderson, for £200 paid by James Anderson, Alexander Colhoun did grant, the house & Offices in the town of Strabane, then last in the possession of Charles Kinkaid, Merchant, the house & tenements in Strabane in possession of John S. Hamilton Esq., and after the decease of Judith (Colhoun) Gordon, Widow, house & tenement in Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh, & property in Sixmilecross, then in possession of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, Charles Father, and after the decease of Said Alexander Colhoun and James Anderson, and their respective wives, Margaret Colhoun and Sophia Anderson, the Estates to descend to Said Charles Colhoun and Mary, His intended Wife. Now the age of Helen Calhoun places here contemporary with Old Charles Kinkead of Baronscourt. Orval states that he felt that Charles was still alive in 1772 based on the above record. My comment is that I think the Charles of the 1772 record was young Charles Kinkead (son of Robert) who was a merchant in Strabane and who failed business wise in 1769. Thus, Orval was mixing them up. HOWEVER, if Helen Calhoun, daughter of Rev. Alexander Calhoun, was married to a Charles Kinkead then this Charles must have been the old Charles Kinkead. Now going back to the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary, noted above. There is no mention of a son Charles. Charles Kinkead, the son Robert of Baronscourt, was Robert's oldest son and heir. This makes me think the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary was not the Robert of Baronscourt. Since 2002 I located a number of additional records which indicate that Robert of Baronscourt was married to a Mary and that he likely had a son David but this David was of Drumbeg, County Donegal and he died in 1771. I agree that figuring out these Baronscourt Kinkeads will be a great help to the DNA project as I believe many of the participants in the project tie directly into this extended family. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it > on > the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), > for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun > and > the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who > Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old > notes > and I am still confused. > > When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps > the > son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, > whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you > thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married > a > Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? > > If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as > Baron's > Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish > Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. > Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah > Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 > Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to > the > Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. > > You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in > Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, > David, > Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph > died > in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife > and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query > other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. > > You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's > brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 > DNA > with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid > connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid > Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great > Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. > > Sue Liedtke To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xlsTo join the DNA project, go to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Congratulations James! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James R. Brisbin Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [KINCAID] roll call update A new name for the John Kincaid/Nancy Young Family: John Kincaid - Nancy Young William Harrison Kincaid - Susan Wilson James Madison Kincaid - Olivia Moss Elizabeth Kincaid - John Wesley Perkins Olivia Moss Perkins - John Francis Brisbin James R. Brisbin - Carol Elizabeth Edmunds James Michael Arthur Brisbin - Julie Ann Konrad Ryan Thomas Konrad Brisbin - born 13 Jan. 2011 - 9 pds/2 oz. Respectfully submitted with great happiness and in kinship; James R. Brisbin To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for the further information. Would widow Judith Calhoun Gorden have been another daughter of Rev Alexander/Judith Calhoun? This will take a bit of thinking to understand. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry Sue et al, In 2002, I was responding to the following post: ***** From: "Jeff Davis" <[email protected]> Subject: [KINCAID] Robert Kinkead Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:01:23 -0400 Can anyone identify or expand on any of the following?: Robert Kinkead was born in County Tyrone, Ireland of parents in common circumstances. He married a Calhoun, by whom he had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine, all of whom were born in County Tyrone, Ireland. David arrived in Philadelphia on the "Lazy Mary" in 1783. Joseph died in Ireland without a family. John died in Egg Harbor, U.S. (NJ?) leaving a wife and two boys in Ireland. ***** This seemed to be new information to me and I wondered what the source was. I noted that perhaps the Robert here was the Robert who was the Robert mentioned in the Will of Joseph Kinkead of Birnaghs, County Tyrone. However, in further discussions it was revealed that other family sources states that this family was from Dungarven, County Waterford. This made things inconclusive. I did not say that Joseph's son Robert married a Calhoun. The above did. Now with regards to my comment about Oval Calhoun account of a Charles Kinkead marrying a Helen Calhoun. Orval O. Calhoun writes the following in "800 Years of Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family History." Helen Colhoun, born c-1698, was the third daughter and the eigth child of Rev. Alexander & Judith Colhoun, and she married Charles Kincaid, and they lived at Strabane, County Tyrone, Ire. She had died before 1772, but Charles was still alive and living in one of the houses belonging to Rev. Alexander Colhoun Jr. in 1772, when he made the assignment of property over to his son Charles Colhoun, at the time of his coming of marriage. Orval Calhoun later quotes the agreement on page 357. It reads as follows: MSS of Arts & Agreement, Nov. 3-1772, between Rev. Alexander Colhoun of Sixmilecross, Co. Tyrone, for Charles Colhoun, Gent, Youngest son of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, & on behalf of Mary Anderson, a minor, daughter & only child of James Anderson; and James Anderson Esq. of Killashandra, Co. Cavan, and Rev. M. Galbraith, of the marraige shortly intended between Charles Colhoun and Mary Anderson, for £200 paid by James Anderson, Alexander Colhoun did grant, the house & Offices in the town of Strabane, then last in the possession of Charles Kinkaid, Merchant, the house & tenements in Strabane in possession of John S. Hamilton Esq., and after the decease of Judith (Colhoun) Gordon, Widow, house & tenement in Enniskillen, Co. Fermanagh, & property in Sixmilecross, then in possession of Said Rev. Alexander Colhoun, Charles Father, and after the decease of Said Alexander Colhoun and James Anderson, and their respective wives, Margaret Colhoun and Sophia Anderson, the Estates to descend to Said Charles Colhoun and Mary, His intended Wife. Now the age of Helen Calhoun places here contemporary with Old Charles Kinkead of Baronscourt. Orval states that he felt that Charles was still alive in 1772 based on the above record. My comment is that I think the Charles of the 1772 record was young Charles Kinkead (son of Robert) who was a merchant in Strabane and who failed business wise in 1769. Thus, Orval was mixing them up. HOWEVER, if Helen Calhoun, daughter of Rev. Alexander Calhoun, was married to a Charles Kinkead then this Charles must have been the old Charles Kinkead. Now going back to the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary, noted above. There is no mention of a son Charles. Charles Kinkead, the son Robert of Baronscourt, was Robert's oldest son and heir. This makes me think the Robert, father of the David of the Lazy Mary was not the Robert of Baronscourt. Since 2002 I located a number of additional records which indicate that Robert of Baronscourt was married to a Mary and that he likely had a son David but this David was of Drumbeg, County Donegal and he died in 1771. I agree that figuring out these Baronscourt Kinkeads will be a great help to the DNA project as I believe many of the participants in the project tie directly into this extended family. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it > on > the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), > for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun > and > the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who > Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old > notes > and I am still confused. > > When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps > the > son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, > whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you > thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married > a > Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? > > If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as > Baron's > Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish > Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. > Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah > Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 > Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to > the > Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. > > You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in > Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, > David, > Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph > died > in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife > and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query > other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. > > You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's > brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 > DNA > with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid > connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid > Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great > Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. > > Sue Liedtke To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xlsTo join the DNA project, go to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message

Hellooooooooo - Thanks so, so much for worrying about my family and I, pleased to be able to tell you we are all safe and well here in Queensland. Well I finally have internet & electricity back on after we lost it in a storm last Monday that saw a major landslip blocking one of the two access roads from where we live - still I can't complain as that's all we 'lost', and so many thousands of others are today in Queensland wading through thick sticky smelly sludge trying to clean out their homes etc without power or even running water - can you imagine that anywhere, let alone in a capital city !! Over the past few weeks our hearts have gone to the victims of the floods way up north - how quickly things can change. Those not directly affected all know someone who is, but it's so great to see people randomly helping - even our youth !!! It's very heartening today in Brisbane city as 'armies' of volunteers have taken up their own shovels, buckets and brooms to help total strangers clear the mud and rubbish from their flooded homes - and it's raining today. The whole state is rallying together, doing what we Queenslanders do - we've an enormous clean up ahead, not just people's homes and lives but with major infrastructure to repair, business to rebuild, schools to be made ready for the kids after their summer break due to return in a couple of weeks. So while jobs have been lost on a positive note, it's creating jobs for those willing - my partner has been already asked to reschedule his work and he and my son (his apprentice)Marty Kincaid are off to Toowoomba next week to rip up and replace the sodden floor coverings for a couple of major business up there so that they can operate again, and in turn that helps rebuild the community. I guess it's going to be another year where I don't get to see them much - well, Marty has certainly been thrown head first into the trade, what better way to learn than under pressure! I'm also hoping my office in the South Bank parklands is cleaned and has electricity etc ready by Monday week so I can process the payroll for them !! I'm secretary of our local volunteer wildlife group and we will be working closely with Wildcare Australia as there is an enormous strain on the animal carers with influx of injured native animals, some poor creatures having travelled many kilometres with the flood water and survived, though with horrible injuries. So sad. The next few weeks will tell how our roads and railways have fared once the water has fully receded, major highways have been cut due to not only the water on the roads, but now its receding the damage that's been done is becoming apparent, and this will of course stop or hinder the supply of food, petrol, building materials, we're all praying mother nature is kind to us for the remainder of the wet season - but again, on a positive note the death toll, whilst tragic is not as devastating as it could have been, and houses can always be cleaned or rebuilt. After all family is everything, and you cannot replace them (no matter how much they get on your nerves sometimes). Hoping you've all got warm socks and snug toes ! Cheers, Lesley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2011 5:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: KINCAID Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28 Today's Topics: 1. Floods in Australia (Barbara Van Hout) 2. Re: Floods in Australia (Don W Kincaid) 3. Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry (Sue Liedtke) 4. Re: roll call (Ronald Kincaid) 5. Re: roll call (Barbara Van Hout) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:02:54 -0500 From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> Subject: [KINCAID] Floods in Australia To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Has anyone heard recently from Lesley Cains of Australia? Does she live in the flooded areas? Her last message to the list was on Dec. 18. Barbara ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:29:55 -0700 From: "Don W Kincaid" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Floods in Australia To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It looks like Lesley lives in a higher elevation area South of Brisbane. Grant Kinkead lives around 3,000 KM away from Brisbane. We hope Queensland weather changes! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Floods in Australia Has anyone heard recently from Lesley Cains of Australia? Does she live in the flooded areas? Her last message to the list was on Dec. 18. Barbara To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:23:42 -0800 From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Peter, thank you for county correction for Rev. Joseph. I will change it on the DNA chart (I am not sure how I got Downs on there in the first place), for the clarification on the Charles who may have married Helen Calhoun and the location of the Laggan. I was going by your Oct 18, 2003 post on who Charles was. I get confused easily in Ireland so went back to some old notes and I am still confused. When you are saying the Charles Kincaid who m Helen Calhoun was perhaps the son of Robert, are you refering to Charles of Strabane, the clockmaker, whose business failed in 1769? You mentioned in a 2002 e-mail that you thought that the Robert, who had a son Charles, might have himself married a Calhoun. Is this the same Robert-Charles connection? If I am reading what you have posted previously Strabane as well as Baron's Court were part of the Earl of Abercorn's holdings. On a list of "Scottish Plantation Undertakers" the Earl of Abercorn is listed as James Hamilton. Audley's father was supposedly an Alexander Hamilton b 1639/40 m Susannah Harrison, d 1693 Ards, Co. Down. Audley was b 1677 Londonderry d. 1763 Donegal Castle, Donegal. I am wondering how this Alexander may relate to the Earl of Abercorn. Archibald m Frances Calhoun was b 1704, Laggen District. You were answering a query by someone who wrote 1/9/02 about a Robert b in Co. Tyrone who married a Calhoun and had five children: Joseph, John, David, Charlotte and Catherine. David migrated to Philadelphia in 1783, Joseph died in Ireland without a family, John d in Egg Harbor, US (NJ?) leaving a wife and 2 boys in Ireland. I am not sure how the answer related to the query other than there may have been a Calhoun connection. You also mentioned in one of the e-mail's above that Frances Calhoun's brother, John, was overseer at Baron's Court. Since you have equated A-1 DNA with Baron's Court Kincaids, I do think that Calhoun-Hamilton-Kincaid connections may be worth looking into. I also feel that Martha Kincaid Hamilton b 1716 was very closely connected to Thomas d 1750 on the Great Calf Pasture and probably John the Weaver. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > Sorry but I hit send before I intended (a call interrupted > me) and I did not finish my train of thought. I wanted to > add that many of the more well to do families moved > around as part of marriage arrangements or to acquire > better holdings (i.e. leases or appointments). So the > ties between Donegal/Tyrone and Down is nothing > unusual in that context. The so called Martha > Kinkead could have been from either place and > until a record surfaces tying her to a particular > family we may never know. Ireland is quite a poor > place with regards to records before the mid 1800s. > > Best wishes! > > Peter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:02 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry > > >> You have the information on Rev. Joseph Kinkead >> wrong. He was born in County Donegal about >> 1724 in Drumboy, County Donegal and died on >> 20 July 1782 in Killinchy, County Donegal. His >> family was not from County Down. They were >> from County Donegal. As a minister he migrated >> to Killinchy. The Baronscourt Kinkeads have >> family roots and connections also in County Donegal. >> >> The Laggan District is in east County Donegal roughly >> between Inch (west of Londerry) in the north and >> Stranorlar in the south. The Rev. Joseph Kinkead >> and his family were considered to have been from >> the Laggan District. >> >> I have yet to find any supporting record for the >> marriage of Charles Kinkead and Helen Calhoun. >> This is secondary information and I believe the >> source is Orval Calhoun and his "800 Years of >> Colquhoun, Colhoun, Calhoun, and Cahoon Family >> History." He does not give a source for the marriage >> and the information he did provide on Charles Kinkead >> makes me think he was mixing up Charles Kinkead >> younger (son of Robert) with Charles Kinkead Sr. >> >> When it comes to Ireland it is not always just the >> locale the person was from but more the Lord >> they held land under or their family connections. >> Many simply moved around >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sue Liedtke" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >> >> >>> Captain William Kinkead b 1736 married Eleanor Gay Nov 30, 1756 in >>> Augusta >>> Co. VA. The families may well have been aquainted before arriving in VA >>> but >>> there is no indication that the families were anywhere close in Ireland. >>> I >>> agree with June Mefford Kinkead that the Londonderry story was passed >>> down >>> from Eleanor's side of the family. >>> >>> I think more of a clue for the Augusta/Albemarle A-1 Kincaids may come >>> from >>> the 1733 Hamilton migration which includes a Kincaid daughter because >>> Hamiltons and Kincaids did interact in Ireland, are quite close in >>> Augusta >>> Co. with some indication that the Hamiltons and at least one Kincaid >>> went >>> first to Lancastor Co. PA before coming to Augusta. Thomas d 1750 was >>> "of >>> Lancastor Co. PA" when he bought the Great Calf Pasture land near >>> Andrew/Martha Kincaid Hamilton in 1747. Andrew Hamilton was living on >>> his >>> GCP land in 1745 (per road orders) when John the Clerk, with the >>> mortgage >>> help of David Kincaid, bought land practically next door. >>> >>> Arrived in 1733 on the Ship Hope. >>> Archibald Hamilton Res. Ards County Downs with wife Frances >>> Martha Hamilton unmarried age 17 >>> Andrew Hamilton age 24 with wife Martha Kinkead Hamilton age 21 >>> >>> Archibald Hamilton's father Audley was b 1677 Laggan District (is that >>> Co. >>> Tyrone??), Ireland. According to a listing of his children's birth's he >>> moved to Ards from Laggans between 1706 and 1709. He died 1762 in Ards. >>> This >>> suggests that Archibald was living in Ards when he married Francis >>> Calhaun >>> and Andrew was living in Ards when he married Martha Kinkead. That >>> doesn't >>> necessarily mean Francis and Martha were also living in Ards when they >>> married but if not then there may be a close tie between Francis and >>> Martha, >>> i.e. perhaps Martha came to visit and fell in love. Remember that >>> Frances' >>> brother John was at Baron's court and her sister Helen m Charles >>> Kincaid. >>> Frances' father's 1st cousin was John Lewis whose wife's sister was >>> married >>> to Henry Patten and living in Co. Tyrone in 1692 when their son James >>> Patten >>> was born. John Lewis & James Patten were granted the land John the Clerk >>> and >>> Thomas Kincaid bought. Then we have 2617 (A-1) who believes descent from >>> Rev >>> Joseph b 1724 Co. Downs, d 1782 Co. Tyrone showing that there were A-1 >>> Kincaids in those counties as well as Hamiltons. >>> >>> In the above connections there are possible reasons why the Hamiltons >>> and >>> Kincaids migrated when and where they did. Finding the father of Martha >>> Kincaid might be quite constructive in sorting Augusta Co. Kincaids. >>> >>> Sue Liedtke >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kinkeads from Londonderry >>> >>> >>>> The problem with about 4 miles from Londonderry >>>> is that it does not tell you which direction to head. >>>> Sample 1256's line is from Londonderry with the >>>> story in the family that they came from 3 miles outside >>>> of Londonderry. Same problem - which way. >>>> Sample 1256 is lined up with my Kincaids who are >>>> on record from County Londonderry. >>>> >>>> If we look to the DNA for Captain William Kinkead >>>> then we have a reputed descendant in sample 1426. >>>> He is not closely matched to sample 1256 or the >>>> other Londonderry Kincaids in his group. On the other >>>> hand, closely matching sample 1426 is sample 94749 >>>> which ties back to Muff Parish, County Donegal; >>>> about 6 miles north of Londonderry. >>>> >>>> Best wishes! >>>> >>>> Peter >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls >> >> To join the DNA project, go to: >> www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:15:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Ronald Kincaid" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Connelsville PA is located in Fayette County. Ron K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call Hi, Ron, What county is Connelsville in? Sincerely Norman Kincaide --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Ronald Kincaid <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Ronald Kincaid <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 3:18 AM > > Roll Call. > > Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - > > I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till > 1989 when I moved > to Minnesota. > > My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, > 03/20/1906 > > My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in > Morgantown, WV, > 08/27/1879 > > My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in > Morgantown, WV, > 08/30/1860 > > My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in > Morgantown, WV, > 04/27/1839 > > My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in > Ireland around 1790. > This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia > County WV ( then the > state of VA). > > Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to > Connelsville PA due to > his working for the then B&O Railroad. > Connelsville was a teminus for the > railroad at that time. > > For some time now I have been trying to establish a link > between Richard > Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. > I have closely > watched all the links that have been presented on this > rootsweb and have > even written to Peter but all to no avail. > > Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN > ,> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in > Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls > > > > To join the DNA project, go to: > > > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3356 - Release > Date: 01/03/11 > 07:34:00 > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xlsTo join the DNA project, go to:www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027---------- ---------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message--------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3367 - Release Date: 01/08/1107:33:00 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:07:16 -0500 From: "Barbara Van Hout" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original There are records for a Joseph Kincaid in this book of records for Monongalia County, (West) Virginia, one with the date of 1805 for Joseph. P. 93 in this book has a record for James Kinkade and David Kinkaid in 1803. There is also another record for David Kinkaid in 1797. http://books.google.com/books?id=DpqzdsPAMIEC&pg=PA307&lpg=PA307&dq=%22Josep h+Kincaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=DC41eMc8or&sig=L5J9VeJQxhq3lJJKFKX P82MT7KQ&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnu m=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Joseph%20Kincaid%22%20%2B%20Monongalia&f= false ********************** This next book for Monongalia County has records for Phillip Patterson/Paterson who married Nancy Kincaid in 1809 in Monongalia County. There are also more Kincaid/Kinkaid records. A William Kinkade and wife Mary sell/give 62 acres to John Kinkade. There are records for Joseph using the 'Kincade' spelling. His wife's name was Mary...see p. 84. There is a record for Moses Kincade on p. 84. I didn't see David Kincaid mentioned in this group of records, which are dated a few years later than in the above book. Too many records to list are under the 'Kincaid' spelling. http://books.google.com/books?id=hVFB0680b1UC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=%22Joseph+Ki ncaid%22+%2B+Monongalia&source=bl&ots=-VaGXr9AMf&sig=Hw-WV52nQHSbCm1JnDcrK0V Kzxo&hl=en&ei=45gwTf2dD47EsAPR_KS1BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8& ved=0CD4Q6AEwBw#v=snippet&q=Patterson&f=false Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Ronald Kincaid Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KINCAID] roll call > Roll Call. Ron Kincaid b: 08/09/1936 - I was born in Connelsville PA and lived in western PA till 1989 when I moved to Minnesota. My father, George Kincaid was born in Connelsville, PA, 03/20/1906 My G. Grandfather, Joseph Richard Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, 08/27/1879 My G. G. Grandfather, John Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, 08/30/1860 My G. G. G. Grandfather, James Wesley Kincaid was born in Morgantown, WV, 04/27/1839 My G. G. G. G, Grandfather, Richard Joseph was born in Ireland around 1790. This deduced from the 1810 cencus taken for Monogalia County WV ( then the state of VA). Grandfather Joseph Kincaid mved from Morgantown to Connelsville PA due to his working for the then B&O Railroad. Connelsville was a teminus for the railroad at that time. For some time now I have been trying to establish a link between Richard Joseph and Ireland and have been unsuccesful to date. I have closely watched all the links that have been presented on this rootsweb and have even written to Peter but all to no avail. Ron Kincaid, Coon Rapids, MN ,> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3356 - Release Date: 01/03/11 07:34:00 To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kinca id%20%20DNA.xls To join the DNA project, go to: www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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I wonder if both 5164 ( believes to George William b 1792 Cecil Co. MD md Sarah Clouse) and 19324 (vetted to William b c1700 m Sarah ? of New Castle, DE) might fit into this family. There seems to clockmakers in each of their families. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from Londonderry > The map still applies. However, I don't believe I > ever concluded that there were two Roberts in the > area. The Robert1 and Robert2 were given to > indicate the location of two separate land holdings > in the name of Robert Kinkead. > > Robert was pretty well given the boot in 1757 and > he went to the Corhober area of County Sligo. He > appears to have died there probably in 1762. His > widow was named Mary. His eldest son was Charles > and he was the merchant in Strabane. Mary the > widow later obtained land in Drumbeg, County > Donegal and left relatives there. The is good evidence > that James Kinkead, watchmaker of New Castle > County, Delaware was the son of Robert and younger > brother of Charles Kinkead. > > I have no information of posterity of Charles Kinkead > the merchant of Strabane. I have some leads which > I am working on but nothing worth saying at the moment. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Kinkead" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Baronscourt Kinkeads was Re: Kinkeads from > Londonderry > > > ?Peter- > > This is my line. > > On the map you annotated for me a few years back you indicated two Johns, > a > James, a Charles and two Roberts in and around Barons Court. Any idea > where > Robert2 fits into the new scheme? Maybe Charles is my GGGGGGPappy? > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > To join the DNA project, go to: > www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Kincaid&Code=J21027 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >