Very interesting, Don. Thank you. Dick K. 2562 -----Original Message----- From: Don W Kincaid Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:07 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Bradley Kincaid story with info from his son Jim I learned more about Bradley Kincaid from this article due to the reporter interviewing Bradley’s son Jim so thought I would pass it on. Does anyone know Jim? Don Kincaid shares legacy with Ellington, Carmichael The late Bradley Kincaid of Springfield has a place at the Starr-Gennett Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., for being one of the pioneer performers in the nation’s early recording industry. By Tom Stafford Staff Writer Bradley Kincaid was a married college student looking for cash to make ends meet in 1924 when he stumbled into stardom. Now a bronze medallion with the Springfielder’s name on it rests on Starr-Gennett Foundation’s Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., the same walk that honors Duke Ellington, Coleman Hawkins, Tommy Dorsey, Hoagy Carmichael and Fats Waller. Son Jim Kincaid’s account describes his father’s rise from obscurity in Point Leavell, Ky., to the Grand Old Opry as “a classic story where poverty meets church, church brings light, lights brings education and education brings success.” That same story also cuts a path through the days when the YMCA had a college; when Sears and Roebuck called its radio station WLS for the World’s Largest Store; and when Berea College was establishing itself as a route young people of Appalachia could take from backwoods hollows to a wider world. Most accounts of Bradley Kincaid’s musical career begin with a guitar now on permanent display in the Kentucky Music Hall of Fame. That “Houn’ Dog” guitar got its name long before Elvis Presley. The guitar was named instead for the animal Kincaid’s father traded to a fellow fox hunter to get it. The instrument proved to be a steadier companion in Kincaid’s childhood than his father, who left his children shortly after Kincaid’s mother died in 1909, when the boy was 14. Looked after by his older sister, he was what son Jim calls “a typical under-educated country boy” the day he went to a camp meeting akin to a revival at the nearby church his father had helped to build. There, Kincaid and his constant pal Jim Ralston, later of Ralston-Purina fame, answered the altar call and pledged to make something of themselves, Jim Kincaid writes. Soon, young Bradley was studying music at the Berea Academy, a preparatory school attached to Berea College. After finishing high school there, Kincaid married one of his teachers. Eventually in search of a college education for him, the two “boarded a train for Chicago, where he enrolled in the YMCA college,” Jim writes. “To help pay the bills he sang in the college quartet.” It was with that group that Bradley Kincaid was asked to sing at the National Barn Dance, which was broadcast at not always predictable times, but always on Saturday evening from the station associated with the World’s Largest Store. (A city with a broad ego as well as shoulders, Chicago was also home to WGN. Associated with the Chicago Tribune, its call letters stood for World’s Greatest Newspaper.) On the air, Bradley Kincaid sang “Barbara Allen,” one of the melancholy English ballads his mother had taught him. In a Windy City home to so many who had moved north to find factory work, the song seemed like a fresh breeze from home. Days after he was paid $15 for going on the air, Kincaid received “two huge mail bags filled with fan mail,” his son reports. “Literally an overnight success … he ended up singing ‘Barbara Allen’ every Saturday night for four years.” Fame reflected by 300,000 pieces of fan mail led to a place on Lakeshore Drive, a Stutz Bearcat to drive, and recording sessions at Gennett’s Chicago studios. Those earliest records were thick one-sided discs made for RCA Victor’s Victrola. The studios were rudimentary. “Dad told me he remembered recording (in Richmond) in a big barn-like building, totally empty except for one mic hanging down in the center,” Jim Kincaid said. Starting in that building with its organic brand of reverberation, he went on to record with Champion, Silvertone and Supertone, the latter two associated with catalog giants Sears and Montgomery Ward. He also recorded with Brunswick, RCA Victor, Decca and Capital. “He accounted for more than 2 million records during the 1920s and ’30s,” Jim Kincaid said. His father’s multiple labels may be evidence of ruckuses over royalties; that may, in turn, explain why Bradley Kincaid ended up moving from radio station to radio station. First at WLS, then at Cincinnati’s WLW, KDKA in Pittsburgh, WBZ in Boston, NBC New York and WHAM Rochester, N.Y., Kincaid followed a similar strategy: He used the popularity of the air waves both to land musical bookings and to sell his song books, which produced their own incontestable royalties. (The rights eventually were donated to Berea College.) The books included sheet music for mountain ballads Kincaid collected on visits to hamlets and hollows in Kentucky and West Virginia — songs his music teacher wife transcribed for publication. The books contained the heart of his work. Biographer Loyal Jones said Kincaid “became an instant success just by singing the songs he had learned in his native Kentucky from ordinary people.” And “his success was due mainly to his modest and pleasing personality and his feel for a knowledge of a rare treasure of folk music.” His trek took his family through the 1930s and ’40s as he sang favorites including “Liza up in the ‘Simmon Tree,” “Give My Love to Nell,” “When the Work’s All Done This Fall,” “Pretty Little Pink” and “I’ll be All Smiles Tonight.” In 1945, the Kincaids landed in Nashville with WSM radio and the Grand Ole Opry. But the world was changing. Just as fans were using fewer battery powered Atwater-Kent radios in a more fully electrified America, guitars were making room for electric guitars, pianos and drums on the set of the Opry. Bill Knowlton, who wrote notes for the dedication of Kincaid’s marker, said Kincaid “left in 1950 feeling that his authentic mountain ballads and pure Appalachian singing style were no longer being accepted by contemporary audiences.” With those days behind him, the man whose family had lived a nomadic life for 25 years wanted to settle down. Having invested in a string of radio stations, Kincaid came to Springfield to turn around or spin off an unprofitable one and ended up staying. He then returned from a trip to a music store in the city’s Arcade one day owning not just a guitar but the store itself, a forerunner of the Kincaid’s music store now on First Street in Springfield. Having settled into retirement, Bradley Kincaid played his last game of golf at age 92, two years before being taken by a heart attack on Sept. 23, 1989. Jim Kincaid said after news of his father’s death went out on the Associated Press wire service, a fan whose favorite Bradley Kincaid song was “Barbara Allen” mailed $5 and a request. The song tells the sad story of young William, whose love Barbara Allen ignores and takes for granted until he dies of a broken heart. Realizing her mistake, Barbara has herself buried next to William. “On William’s grave there grew a red rose; On Barbara’s grew a green briar.” “They grew to the top of the old church wall; till they could not grow higher.” “There they entwined in a true lovers’ knot and the rose grew round the briar.” Jim Kincaid honored the writer’s request and placed a rose on his father’s grave — a symbol not only of the love described in the song, but the enduring love his fans had for Bradley Kincaid. 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I was lucky enough to find a Bradley Kincaid vinyl. Lp album on eBay a couple of years ago. However, I do not have a record player to play it on, so am looking for one to,play it on. Meredith Kincaid Sent from my iPad On Aug 12, 2012, at 8:07 PM, "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: > I learned more about Bradley Kincaid from this article due to the reporter interviewing Bradley’s son Jim so thought I would pass it on. Does anyone know Jim? > > Don > > Kincaid shares legacy with Ellington, Carmichael > > The late Bradley Kincaid of Springfield has a place at the Starr-Gennett Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., for being one of the pioneer performers in the nation’s early recording industry. > By Tom Stafford > > Staff Writer > > Bradley Kincaid was a married college student looking for cash to make ends meet in 1924 when he stumbled into stardom. > > Now a bronze medallion with the Springfielder’s name on it rests on Starr-Gennett Foundation’s Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., the same walk that honors Duke Ellington, Coleman Hawkins, Tommy Dorsey, Hoagy Carmichael and Fats Wa > > Son Jim Kincaid’s account describes his father’s rise from obscurity in Point Leavell, Ky., to the Grand Old Opry as “a classic story where poverty meets church, church brings light, lights brings education and education brings success.” > > That same story also cuts a path through the days when the YMCA had a college; when Sears and Roebuck called its radio station WLS for the World’s Largest Store; and when Berea College was establishing itself as a route young people of Appalachia could take from backwoods hollows to a wider world. > > Most accounts of Bradley Kincaid’s musical career begin with a guitar now on permanent display in the Kentucky Music Hall of Fame. That “Houn’ Dog” guitar got its name long before Elvis Presley. > > The guitar was named instead for the animal Kincaid’s father traded to a fellow fox hunter to get it. > > The instrument proved to be a steadier companion in Kincaid’s childhood than his father, who left his children shortly after Kincaid’s mother died in 1909, when the boy was 14. Looked after by his older sister, he was what son Jim calls “a typical under-educated country boy” the day he went to a camp meeting akin to a revival at the nearby church his father had helped to build. > > There, Kincaid and his constant pal Jim Ralston, later of Ralston-Purina fame, answered the altar call and pledged to make something of themselves, Jim Kincaid writes. > > Soon, young Bradley was studying music at the Berea Academy, a preparatory school attached to Berea College. After finishing high school there, Kincaid married one of his teachers. Eventually in search of a college education for him, the two “boarded a train for Chicago, where he enrolled in the YMCA college,” Jim writes. “To help pay the bills he sang in the college quartet.” > > It was with that group that Bradley Kincaid was asked to sing at the National Barn Dance, which was broadcast at not always predictable times, but always on Saturday evening from the station associated with the World’s Largest Store. (A city with a broad ego as well as shoulders, Chicago was also home to WGN. Associated with the Chicago Tribune, its call letters stood for World’s Greatest Newspaper.) > > On the air, Bradley Kincaid sang “Barbara Allen,” one of the melancholy English ballads his mother had taught him. In a Windy City home to so many who had moved north to find factory work, the song seemed like a fresh breeze from home. > > Days after he was paid $15 for going on the air, Kincaid received “two huge mail bags filled with fan mail,” his son reports. “Literally an overnight success … he ended up singing ‘Barbara Allen’ every Saturday night for four years.” > > Fame reflected by 300,000 pieces of fan mail led to a place on Lakeshore Drive, a Stutz Bearcat to drive, and recording sessions at Gennett’s Chicago studios. Those earliest records were thick one-sided discs made for RCA Victor’s Victrola. The studios were rudimentary. > > “Dad told me he remembered recording (in Richmond) in a big barn-like building, totally empty except for one mic hanging down in the center,” Jim Kincaid said. > > Starting in that building with its organic brand of reverberation, he went on to record with Champion, Silvertone and Supertone, the latter two associated with catalog giants Sears and Montgomery Ward. He also recorded with Brunswick, RCA Victor, Decca and Capital. > > “He accounted for more than 2 million records during the 1920s and ’30s,” Jim Kincaid said. > > His father’s multiple labels may be evidence of ruckuses over royalties; that may, in turn, explain why Bradley Kincaid ended up moving from radio station to radio station. > > First at WLS, then at Cincinnati’s WLW, KDKA in Pittsburgh, WBZ in Boston, NBC New York and WHAM Rochester, N.Y., Kincaid followed a similar strategy: He used the popularity of the air waves both to land musical bookings and to sell his song books, which produced their own incontestable royalties. (The rights eventually were donated to Berea College.) > > The books included sheet music for mountain ballads Kincaid collected on visits to hamlets and hollows in Kentucky and West Virginia ― songs his music teacher wife transcribed for publication. The books contained the heart of his work. > > Biographer Loyal Jones said Kincaid “became an instant success just by singing the songs he had learned in his native Kentucky from ordinary people.” > > And “his success was due mainly to his modest and pleasing personality and his feel for a knowledge of a rare treasure of folk music.” > > His trek took his family through the 1930s and ’40s as he sang favorites including “Liza up in the ‘Simmon Tree,” “Give My Love to Nell,” “When the Work’s All Done This Fall,” “Pretty Little Pink” and “I’ll be All Smiles Tonight.” > > In 1945, the Kincaids landed in Nashville with WSM radio and the Grand Ole Opry. But the world was changing. > > Just as fans were using fewer battery powered Atwater-Kent radios in a more fully electrified America, guitars were making room for electric guitars, pianos and drums on the set of the Opry. > > Bill Knowlton, who wrote notes for the dedication of Kincaid’s marker, said Kincaid “left in 1950 feeling that his authentic mountain ballads and pure Appalachian singing style were no longer being accepted by contemporary audiences.” > > With those days behind him, the man whose family had lived a nomadic life for 25 years wanted to settle down. Having invested in a string of radio stations, Kincaid came to Springfield to turn around or spin off an unprofitable one and ended up staying. He then returned from a trip to a music store in the city’s Arcade one day owning not just a guitar but the store itself, a forerunner of the Kincaid’s music store now on First Street in Springfield. > > Having settled into retirement, Bradley Kincaid played his last game of golf at age 92, two years before being taken by a heart attack on Sept. 23, 1989. > > Jim Kincaid said after news of his father’s death went out on the Associated Press wire service, a fan whose favorite Bradley Kincaid song was “Barbara Allen” mailed $5 and a request. > > The song tells the sad story of young William, whose love Barbara Allen ignores and takes for granted until he dies of a broken heart. Realizing her mistake, Barbara has herself buried next to William. > > “On William’s grave there grew a red rose; On Barbara’s grew a green briar.” > > “They grew to the top of the old church wall; till they could not grow higher.” > > “There they entwined in a true lovers’ knot and the rose grew round the briar.” > > Jim Kincaid honored the writer’s request and placed a rose on his father’s grave ― a symbol not only of the love described in the song, but the enduring love his fans had for Bradley Kincaid. > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for adding the Republic of Texas folks! I see there were only 4 listed for 1840 and 3 of them are my Kincaid's even though spelled Kingkade. I wonder who the Charles Kincaid in Fayette County, TX in 1840 was since he lived close to my 3 Kincaids? D. G. Kingkade refers to David Greer Kincaid who is likely the son of the one listed as David Kingkade who would be the David Greer Kincaid who married Isabel Rogers in Madison County, KY, moved to TN, AR then Republic of Texas. The William Kingkade would be William Moore Kincaid. All 3 lived in Liberty County. David Jr and William M were both charter members of a Masonic Lodge in Liberty County near Livingston. David Jr. signed his name David G Kincaid and William signed his William M Kingkade even though brothers. 1840 Charles Kincaid, Fayette County, TX, Texas Tax List Index, 1840-1849. 1840 D.G. Kingkade, Liberty County, TX, Texas Tax List Index, 1840-1849. 1840 David Kingkade, Liberty County, TX, Texas Tax List Index, 1840-1849. 1840 William Kingkade, Liberty County, TX, Texas Tax List Index, 1840-1849. -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 1:56 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] (no subject) Dear Kincaid listers, I have uploaded Kincaids of Menard County, Illinois and Kincaids in the 1840 Census with the addition of Kincaids in the Republic of Texas at the bottom. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/kincaids%20in%201840%20united%20states%20census.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/kincaids%20of%20menard%20county,%20illinois.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/ Sincerely Norman Kincaide For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I learned more about Bradley Kincaid from this article due to the reporter interviewing Bradley’s son Jim so thought I would pass it on. Does anyone know Jim? Don Kincaid shares legacy with Ellington, Carmichael The late Bradley Kincaid of Springfield has a place at the Starr-Gennett Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., for being one of the pioneer performers in the nation’s early recording industry. By Tom Stafford Staff Writer Bradley Kincaid was a married college student looking for cash to make ends meet in 1924 when he stumbled into stardom. Now a bronze medallion with the Springfielder’s name on it rests on Starr-Gennett Foundation’s Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., the same walk that honors Duke Ellington, Coleman Hawkins, Tommy Dorsey, Hoagy Carmichael and Fats Waller. Son Jim Kincaid’s account describes his father’s rise from obscurity in Point Leavell, Ky., to the Grand Old Opry as “a classic story where poverty meets church, church brings light, lights brings education and education brings success.” That same story also cuts a path through the days when the YMCA had a college; when Sears and Roebuck called its radio station WLS for the World’s Largest Store; and when Berea College was establishing itself as a route young people of Appalachia could take from backwoods hollows to a wider world. Most accounts of Bradley Kincaid’s musical career begin with a guitar now on permanent display in the Kentucky Music Hall of Fame. That “Houn’ Dog” guitar got its name long before Elvis Presley. The guitar was named instead for the animal Kincaid’s father traded to a fellow fox hunter to get it. The instrument proved to be a steadier companion in Kincaid’s childhood than his father, who left his children shortly after Kincaid’s mother died in 1909, when the boy was 14. Looked after by his older sister, he was what son Jim calls “a typical under-educated country boy” the day he went to a camp meeting akin to a revival at the nearby church his father had helped to build. There, Kincaid and his constant pal Jim Ralston, later of Ralston-Purina fame, answered the altar call and pledged to make something of themselves, Jim Kincaid writes. Soon, young Bradley was studying music at the Berea Academy, a preparatory school attached to Berea College. After finishing high school there, Kincaid married one of his teachers. Eventually in search of a college education for him, the two “boarded a train for Chicago, where he enrolled in the YMCA college,” Jim writes. “To help pay the bills he sang in the college quartet.” It was with that group that Bradley Kincaid was asked to sing at the National Barn Dance, which was broadcast at not always predictable times, but always on Saturday evening from the station associated with the World’s Largest Store. (A city with a broad ego as well as shoulders, Chicago was also home to WGN. Associated with the Chicago Tribune, its call letters stood for World’s Greatest Newspaper.) On the air, Bradley Kincaid sang “Barbara Allen,” one of the melancholy English ballads his mother had taught him. In a Windy City home to so many who had moved north to find factory work, the song seemed like a fresh breeze from home. Days after he was paid $15 for going on the air, Kincaid received “two huge mail bags filled with fan mail,” his son reports. “Literally an overnight success … he ended up singing ‘Barbara Allen’ every Saturday night for four years.” Fame reflected by 300,000 pieces of fan mail led to a place on Lakeshore Drive, a Stutz Bearcat to drive, and recording sessions at Gennett’s Chicago studios. Those earliest records were thick one-sided discs made for RCA Victor’s Victrola. The studios were rudimentary. “Dad told me he remembered recording (in Richmond) in a big barn-like building, totally empty except for one mic hanging down in the center,” Jim Kincaid said. Starting in that building with its organic brand of reverberation, he went on to record with Champion, Silvertone and Supertone, the latter two associated with catalog giants Sears and Montgomery Ward. He also recorded with Brunswick, RCA Victor, Decca and Capital. “He accounted for more than 2 million records during the 1920s and ’30s,” Jim Kincaid said. His father’s multiple labels may be evidence of ruckuses over royalties; that may, in turn, explain why Bradley Kincaid ended up moving from radio station to radio station. First at WLS, then at Cincinnati’s WLW, KDKA in Pittsburgh, WBZ in Boston, NBC New York and WHAM Rochester, N.Y., Kincaid followed a similar strategy: He used the popularity of the air waves both to land musical bookings and to sell his song books, which produced their own incontestable royalties. (The rights eventually were donated to Berea College.) The books included sheet music for mountain ballads Kincaid collected on visits to hamlets and hollows in Kentucky and West Virginia — songs his music teacher wife transcribed for publication. The books contained the heart of his work. Biographer Loyal Jones said Kincaid “became an instant success just by singing the songs he had learned in his native Kentucky from ordinary people.” And “his success was due mainly to his modest and pleasing personality and his feel for a knowledge of a rare treasure of folk music.” His trek took his family through the 1930s and ’40s as he sang favorites including “Liza up in the ‘Simmon Tree,” “Give My Love to Nell,” “When the Work’s All Done This Fall,” “Pretty Little Pink” and “I’ll be All Smiles Tonight.” In 1945, the Kincaids landed in Nashville with WSM radio and the Grand Ole Opry. But the world was changing. Just as fans were using fewer battery powered Atwater-Kent radios in a more fully electrified America, guitars were making room for electric guitars, pianos and drums on the set of the Opry. Bill Knowlton, who wrote notes for the dedication of Kincaid’s marker, said Kincaid “left in 1950 feeling that his authentic mountain ballads and pure Appalachian singing style were no longer being accepted by contemporary audiences.” With those days behind him, the man whose family had lived a nomadic life for 25 years wanted to settle down. Having invested in a string of radio stations, Kincaid came to Springfield to turn around or spin off an unprofitable one and ended up staying. He then returned from a trip to a music store in the city’s Arcade one day owning not just a guitar but the store itself, a forerunner of the Kincaid’s music store now on First Street in Springfield. Having settled into retirement, Bradley Kincaid played his last game of golf at age 92, two years before being taken by a heart attack on Sept. 23, 1989. Jim Kincaid said after news of his father’s death went out on the Associated Press wire service, a fan whose favorite Bradley Kincaid song was “Barbara Allen” mailed $5 and a request. The song tells the sad story of young William, whose love Barbara Allen ignores and takes for granted until he dies of a broken heart. Realizing her mistake, Barbara has herself buried next to William. “On William’s grave there grew a red rose; On Barbara’s grew a green briar.” “They grew to the top of the old church wall; till they could not grow higher.” “There they entwined in a true lovers’ knot and the rose grew round the briar.” Jim Kincaid honored the writer’s request and placed a rose on his father’s grave — a symbol not only of the love described in the song, but the enduring love his fans had for Bradley Kincaid.

Dear Kincaid listers, I have uploaded to the Kincaid Research page, George W. Kinkade of Hancock County, IL, who is descended from Robert Kinkade and Mary Bowman. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/george%20w.%20kinkade,%20of%20hancock%20county,%20illinois.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/ Sincerely Norman Kincaide

A feature on each participants Family Tree DNA page allows you to look at a map of where all the participants who are in the same SNP grouping are located in the world. If you want to take a look, go to your page, click on Y dna results, click on SNP map, scroll down to the SNP selection and select the one ending in U 106 for most of you and after a short wait, the map will show a dot for ancestor location for all participants of all surnames who are part of the U 106 SNP group such as the Sinclairs and Spencers Peter has mentioned. It is easy to see that our U 106 Group origins are concentrated in Western Europe. Don

Dear Kincaid listers, I have uploaded Kincaids of Menard County, Illinois and Kincaids in the 1840 Census with the addition of Kincaids in the Republic of Texas at the bottom. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/kincaids%20in%201840%20united%20states%20census.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/kincaids%20of%20menard%20county,%20illinois.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/ Sincerely Norman Kincaide

I sent a new link for the Kincaid Research page and it has not appeared on the list yet. This is a test message. Norman Kincaide

Dear Kincaide listers, I have uploaded Kincaids of Menard County, Illinois to the Kincaid Research page. These accounts were rekeyed from Rev. R.D. Miller, Past and Present of Menard County, Illinois, S.J. Clarke Publishing Company, Chicago, 1905. This file is found under Kincaid Historiography on the research page. Sincerely Norman Kincaide http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/kincaids%20of%20menard%20county,%20illinois.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/

I'll have to check. Thanks for bringing this up. I hadn't thought of it before. Thanks, Don. ________________________________ From: Don W Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com>; kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaids in the 1840 United States Census Thanks Norman!    Do you have access to the Republic of Texas 1840 census. It is not really a census but a list made from tax lists. Don -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:51 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaids in the 1840 United States Census Dear Kincaid listers, I have just uploaded the completed Kincaids in the 1840 United States, I have added the household information for each Kincaid household enumerated. I have not added DNA sample numbers to all of the known lineages yet. Sincerely Norman Kincaide http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/kincaids%20in%201840%20united%20states%20census.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/ For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Norman! Do you have access to the Republic of Texas 1840 census. It is not really a census but a list made from tax lists. Don -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:51 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaids in the 1840 United States Census Dear Kincaid listers, I have just uploaded the completed Kincaids in the 1840 United States, I have added the household information for each Kincaid household enumerated. I have not added DNA sample numbers to all of the known lineages yet. Sincerely Norman Kincaide http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/kincaids%20in%201840%20united%20states%20census.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/ For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Kincaid listers, I have just uploaded the completed Kincaids in the 1840 United States, I have added the household information for each Kincaid household enumerated. I have not added DNA sample numbers to all of the known lineages yet. Sincerely Norman Kincaide http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201840%20Census/kincaids%20in%201840%20united%20states%20census.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/

Sue, Chris doesn't have any Seattle Kincaids in her database that I can see. Alice Gedge -----Original Message----- From: Sue Liedtke Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:03 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] New join. 237325 We have a new DNA participant by transfer. The donor was born Aug 1942 in Seattle, WA to an unwed Shoemaker who gave the name of the father as John Bush. The closest matches for his results at the 37 marker level are Kincaids which is what brought his son, the researcher, to our project. The results differ from our C-2 Kincaid AAV at these alleles At marker 4 (DYS 391) he has an 11 instead of a 12. At marker 12 (DYS 389-2) he has a 29 instead of a 30 At marker 29 (YCAlia) he has a 23 instead of a 24 This is a lot of mutation for this mostly harmonious set where the AAV or a single mutation is the norm. I will temporarily place him in that set with the hopes that he can upgrade to 67 markers which may bring more clarity. This is a shot in the dark as there is no guarantee that the father was a John Bush or was in Seattle much prior or after conception but every avenue is worth exploring. Does anyone know of a Kincaid-Bush cross somewhere along the line? Also were there C-2 Kincaids in the Seattle area during late 1941? Sue Liedtke For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We have a new DNA participant by transfer. The donor was born Aug 1942 in Seattle, WA to an unwed Shoemaker who gave the name of the father as John Bush. The closest matches for his results at the 37 marker level are Kincaids which is what brought his son, the researcher, to our project. The results differ from our C-2 Kincaid AAV at these alleles At marker 4 (DYS 391) he has an 11 instead of a 12. At marker 12 (DYS 389-2) he has a 29 instead of a 30 At marker 29 (YCAlia) he has a 23 instead of a 24 This is a lot of mutation for this mostly harmonious set where the AAV or a single mutation is the norm. I will temporarily place him in that set with the hopes that he can upgrade to 67 markers which may bring more clarity. This is a shot in the dark as there is no guarantee that the father was a John Bush or was in Seattle much prior or after conception but every avenue is worth exploring. Does anyone know of a Kincaid-Bush cross somewhere along the line? Also were there C-2 Kincaids in the Seattle area during late 1941? Sue Liedtke

Sent from my iPad On Aug 3, 2012, at 3:21 PM, "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> wrote: > Sources are sometimes hard to find in this book especially when she is not > dealing with her own line. She relies on descendents and other printed > material for some of the lineages she gives. > > Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June Lee > MeffordKinkead > > >> I see you got your answer, but try an ongoing search for this title on >> EBAY. I got two copies that way. It comes up for sale from time to time. >> >> Dick Kinkead 2562 >> >> From: John Kinkead >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:03 AM >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June Lee Mefford >> Kinkead >> >> >> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June Lee >> Mefford Kinkead? >> >> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret Kinkead >> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >> >> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the spouse >> of William. >> >> Thanks, >> John >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 9.0.0.1218, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20290) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see you got your answer, but try an ongoing search for this title on EBAY. I got two copies that way. It comes up for sale from time to time. Dick Kinkead 2562 From: John Kinkead Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:03 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June Lee Mefford Kinkead Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June Lee Mefford Kinkead? It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret Kinkead of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the spouse of William. Thanks, John For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.1218, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20290) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Sources are sometimes hard to find in this book especially when she is not dealing with her own line. She relies on descendents and other printed material for some of the lineages she gives. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June Lee MeffordKinkead >I see you got your answer, but try an ongoing search for this title on >EBAY. I got two copies that way. It comes up for sale from time to time. > > Dick Kinkead 2562 > > From: John Kinkead > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 11:03 AM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June Lee Mefford > Kinkead > > > Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June Lee > Mefford Kinkead? > > It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret Kinkead > of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. > > I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the spouse > of William. > > Thanks, > John > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 9.0.0.1218, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20290) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

p. 39 William Bury was born William berry, eldest child of John and Margaret Blackburn Kinkead, on December 31, 1809. He changed the spelling of his middle name from Berry to Bury sometime after graduating from Transylvania University in 1830. He survived all his brothers and sisters, and died on Easter morning, March 25, 1894, at the age of 84 years, 2 months and 24 days. He was twice married: first to Elizabeth Wickliffe, daughter of Governor Charles A. Wickliffe of Bardstown, Kentucky, and second, on July 5, 1843 to Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby, daughter of Mayor Thomas Hart Shelby of Fayette, Kentucky. Issue of the first marriage was a son, Charles Wickliffe Kinkead, who survived his mother but a very short while, and died in infancy. ========================================================================== This is too lengthy to type, as it goes into many pages. If you write to me at my email address with your mailing address, and PROMISE to return the book, and cover all expenses, I will send the book to you for a while. There are lots of pictures and lineage charts in a 418 page book. -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 10:03 AM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June Lee Mefford Kinkead > > Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June Lee > Mefford Kinkead? > > It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret Kinkead > of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. > > I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the spouse > of William. > > Thanks, > John > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June Lee Mefford Kinkead? It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret Kinkead of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the spouse of William. Thanks, John

Thanks, Peter. I appreciate you're pulling that info for me. > From: 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:27:42 -0300 > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Clain Kincaid International Society Pedigree Sheets > > John, > > This was a LDS family sheet submitted by Connie Lawson > (then at 223 Dryden Drive, Vallejo, California, 94591) > with a date of 12 May 1988. It appears to have been > prepared by Charles Edward Wymer of Salt Lake, City, > Utah. The John was said to have been born about > 1745 in Augusta County, Va and died in Woodford > County leaving a Will dated 20 July 1817. He is > claimed to have been the son of Thomas Kincaid and > Margaret Lockhart. John's wife Margaret was > said to have died in Versailles, Woodford County. > > The John and Margaret Kincaid referred to here has > been well discussed on this list and these can be > found in the archives. I don't see anything on this > particular group sheet that gives me any confidence > that it is a good source. > > Peter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Kinkead > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 9:41 AM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Clain Kincaid International Society Pedigree Sheets > > > Thanks, Peter. I wouldn't mind seeing one just to see what type of > information is there. > > There is a John Kinkead, married to Margaret who died in Woodford Co. KY in > 1820, will dated 1817. According to rootsweb, he's on Clan Kincaid > International Society, Pedigree Sheet 92, p.3. > > Is that enough to locate it? > > Thanks again, > John > > > > > From: 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:59:30 -0300 > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Clain Kincaid International Society Pedigree Sheets > > > > A bunch of them were bundled in a booklet and called > > the Kincaid Combined Genealogies. I have a copy of > > this. It is quite large. Do you have a pedigree reference > > number. They are mostly submissions by members and > > have to be treat with caution. Certainly they would be > > useful for the member's own close family. > > > > Peter > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Kinkead > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 4:58 PM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] Clain Kincaid International Society Pedigree Sheets > > > > > > I've seen numerous citations of Pedigree Sheets from the Clan Kincaid > > International Society, but I can't seem to find anything more about them. > > Can someone tell me what they are, how reliable they are, and how one > > obtains them? > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message