John points out that in 2004 I posted that I have Andrew/Mary going to the Beverley Manor after living in Albemarle, buying land from Robert/Anna Helena. He also mentions that the Andrew of JtW's Calfpasture land turns up in 1776 with wife Jean/Jane, not Mary. AUG 06/20/1770 C3-500(406)@ Robert Kinkead and Anna heleney (Belina) ( ) to Andrew Kinkead, L- 159 acres in Beverley Manor, part of 334 acres conveyed to Robert by James Bratton & Elizabeth, 05/01/1763; corner Lewis and Gibson land. ... Delivered: Andrew Kinkead, November, 1771. AUG 08/ /1772 C1-366(A ) Woods vs. Daniel O'Hara and Andrew Kinkead - Debt. On bond dated 1762, 4th August. Andrew of Albemarle County. AUG 05/18/1773 DB21-253( )@ Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife to Alexander Gibson L128 10sh, 159 acres, part of 334 acres in Beverley Manor, on some drafts of Christian's Creek which was conveyed to said Andrew by Robert Kinkead and Belina his wife by deed the 20th day of June 1770. Wit; Alexander Thompson, Thomas Tate, ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead, Mary Kinkead. I also show the Lunenburg Andrew Kinkead as "of Augusta" when he sells his land in 1770. Note, that the Lunenberg John Kinkead came from PA. It certainly does appear that we have TWO SETS of John/Andrews interacting with closely held land tracts at the same close dates, and they could be sons of an earlier generation of John and Andrews, John (JtW)/Elizabeth and Andrew Sr./Isabella. LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (408) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to William Nixon ... wit: Samull Moore, John Ritchey, John Kinkad LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (410-11) Nathanial Barksdale of Pr. Edward Co. to John Kinkad of Lunenburg County ... L80 ... 600 acres Lunenburg Co., Horsepen Fork Cub Creek, bounded beginning NE from Robert Riche's corner on the Ridge between Pr. Edward and Lunenburg Cos, to Wm. Nixon, to old dividing line, part of larger tract. corner ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line wit: Samuel Moore, John Ritchey, William Nixon, Recorded 4 Aug 1761 Sig Nathl. Barksdale. LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (245) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade Senior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the waters of Cub Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 166 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon South ... Thomas Alexander's line ... north ... Alexander Richey's corner, thence along his line north to Andrew Kinkade junior's corner. ... to the beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas TH Harvey. Recorded July 12th 1764 Luninburgh county court. LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade Junior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the waters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 126 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas corner ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas CHL 02/19/1770 DB-2 (459) Andrew Kinkade Jr. of Augusta Co. to Samuel Scott of Prince Edward Co. L15.5, 126 acres in Charlotte on the waters of Cub Creek on a branch called Raccoon. Bounded by the lines of John Thomas and Alexander Ritchey. All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Thomas Craig, Joseph Read. Recorded: 03 June 1771 CHL 01/05/1771 DB-2 (369) . Andrew Kinkade of Charlotte Co. to Edward Sadler of Prince Edward Co. L35, 166 acres in said Charlotte on a branch of Cub Creek called Raccoon branch. Bounded by the lines of Thos Alexander, Andrew Kinkade Jr. . All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Isabel Kinkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Charles Hudspeth, Thomas Craig. Recorded: 07 Jan 1771 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead > John, > > John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved > together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. > > ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought from > Wm. > Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 acres > lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 acre > tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John > Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: ... > as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) > marked corner. > > ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought from > Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 > acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a > 520 > acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. > John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as > follows: > ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) > made corner. > > ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew > Kinkead > of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 acres > more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of > Meechim's > River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John > Robinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and > John Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew Kinkead > and Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead > > ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John Kinkead > of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres more > or > less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's River, > part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William > Grayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John > Kinkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. > > > Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they move > together > next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of > JtW, the > evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. > > Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June > LeeMeffordKinkead > >> >> That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of >> John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as >> four or five. >> >> The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, >> Archibald, William and John. >> >> James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. >> Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's >> verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >> >> Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as the >> son of John/Margaret. >> Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. >> >> William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John >> Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >> John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY (probably >> a second marriage). >> >> >>> From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com >>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>> >>> >>> Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW (and >>> it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other >>> possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted >>> DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same >>> person. >>> >>> Does anyone disagree with that? >>> >>> It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret could >>> NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. >>> >>> Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> John (#241829) >>> >>> >>> > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net >>> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 >>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>> > >>> > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf >>> > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> >>> > >>> > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. is >>> > to >>> > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and exactly >>> > 1 >>> > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to John >>> > Jr. >>> > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a >>> > corner >>> > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two of >>> > the >>> > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., and >>> > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 acres >>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on >>> > Calfpasture >>> > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and >>> > Elizabeth ( ) >>> > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 >>> > acres >>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. >>> > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to >>> > Mathew >>> > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's >>> > corner. >>> > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, 106 >>> > acres >>> > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's part >>> > of >>> > said tract. >>> > >>> > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to be >>> > their >>> > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still >>> > contend >>> > is the same man as JtW. >>> > >>> > >>> > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead dated >>> > July >>> > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in April, >>> > 1813. >>> > Abstract follows: >>> > >>> > [excerpt from will] >>> > >>> > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert and >>> > James, >>> > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to be >>> > their >>> > share of my estate, >>> > >>> > >>> > -------------------------------------------------- >>> > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >>> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM >>> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>> > >>> > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to >>> > > died in >>> > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a grandson >>> > > by a >>> > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. >>> > > >>> > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. >>> > > William >>> > > but >>> > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I >>> > > think he >>> > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land >>> > > from >>> > > John >>> > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears >>> > > in 2 >>> > > other GCP families. >>> > > >>> > > Sue Liedtke >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> >>> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM >>> > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> > > Lee >>> > > MeffordKinkead >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. >>> > >> William's >>> > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married >>> > >> Margaret >>> > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) >>> > >> Kinkead, >>> > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he >>> > >> married >>> > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >>> > >> >>> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It should >>> > >> be >>> > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" >>> > >> and >>> > >> very >>> > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with >>> > >> one of >>> > >> the many others. >>> > >> >>> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June >>> > >>> Lee >>> > >>> Mefford Kinkead? >>> > >>> >>> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret >>> > >>> Kinkead >>> > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the >>> > >>> spouse >>> > >>> of William. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Thanks, >>> > >>> John >>> > >>> >>> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > >>> project, >>> > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ------------------------------- >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> > >>> the >>> > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > >> project, >>> > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > >> >>> > >> www.kincaiddna.org >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> ------------------------------- >>> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> > >> the >>> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > > project, >>> > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > > >>> > > www.kincaiddna.org >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> > >>> > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > >>> > www.kincaiddna.org >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought from Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) marked corner. ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought from Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) made corner. ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew Kinkead of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 acres more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John Robinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John Kinkead of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William Grayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John Kinkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they move together next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of JtW, the evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead > > That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of > John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as > four or five. > > The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, > Archibald, William and John. > > James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. > Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's > verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. > > Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as the > son of John/Margaret. > Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. > > William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. > He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. > John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY (probably > a second marriage). > > >> From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> LeeMeffordKinkead >> >> >> Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW (and it >> appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other >> possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted DNA >> descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same person. >> >> Does anyone disagree with that? >> >> It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret could >> NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. >> >> Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. >> >> Thanks, >> John (#241829) >> >> >> > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net >> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 >> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> > LeeMeffordKinkead >> > >> > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf >> > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> >> > >> > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. is >> > to >> > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and exactly >> > 1 >> > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to John >> > Jr. >> > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a >> > corner >> > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two of >> > the >> > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. >> > >> > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., and >> > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 acres >> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on >> > Calfpasture >> > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. >> > >> > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and >> > Elizabeth ( ) >> > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 >> > acres >> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. >> > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. >> > >> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to >> > Mathew >> > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's >> > corner. >> > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. >> > >> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, 106 >> > acres >> > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's part >> > of >> > said tract. >> > >> > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to be >> > their >> > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still >> > contend >> > is the same man as JtW. >> > >> > >> > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead dated >> > July >> > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in April, >> > 1813. >> > Abstract follows: >> > >> > [excerpt from will] >> > >> > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert and >> > James, >> > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to be >> > their >> > share of my estate, >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM >> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> > LeeMeffordKinkead >> > >> > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to >> > > died in >> > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a grandson >> > > by a >> > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. >> > > >> > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. >> > > William >> > > but >> > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I >> > > think he >> > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land >> > > from >> > > John >> > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears in >> > > 2 >> > > other GCP families. >> > > >> > > Sue Liedtke >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> >> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM >> > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> > > Lee >> > > MeffordKinkead >> > > >> > > >> > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. >> > >> William's >> > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married >> > >> Margaret >> > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) >> > >> Kinkead, >> > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he >> > >> married >> > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >> > >> >> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It should >> > >> be >> > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" >> > >> and >> > >> very >> > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with one >> > >> of >> > >> the many others. >> > >> >> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June >> > >>> Lee >> > >>> Mefford Kinkead? >> > >>> >> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret >> > >>> Kinkead >> > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >> > >>> >> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the >> > >>> spouse >> > >>> of William. >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks, >> > >>> John >> > >>> >> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > >>> project, >> > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > >>> >> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> ------------------------------- >> > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > >>> the >> > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > >> project, >> > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > >> >> > >> www.kincaiddna.org >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------- >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > > project, >> > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > > >> > > www.kincaiddna.org >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > >> > www.kincaiddna.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

After seeing on the news about the fires in Northern California we emailed David and Deanne Kincaid and she replied: They are all around us.. headed towards my summer cabin but I dont think they would allow the area to burn. Pretty smokey here.. alot of people wearing masks... Not as bad as the 165 fires we had in 2009 though. Weird to see this on Good morning America! Thank you for asking about us. If you google earth Redding you can see it all. Lassen Park is in a bad way. We wish the best for David and Deanne and all the other folks near the fires!

That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as four or five. The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, Archibald, William and John. James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY (probably a second marriage). > From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead > > > Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW (and it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same person. > > Does anyone disagree with that? > > It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret could NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. > > Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. > > Thanks, > John (#241829) > > > > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead > > > > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf > > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> > > > > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. is to > > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and exactly 1 > > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to John Jr. > > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a corner > > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two of the > > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. > > > > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., and > > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 acres > > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on Calfpasture > > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. > > > > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) > > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres > > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. > > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. > > > > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to Mathew > > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's corner. > > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. > > > > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, 106 acres > > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's part of > > said tract. > > > > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to be their > > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still contend > > is the same man as JtW. > > > > > > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead dated July > > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in April, 1813. > > Abstract follows: > > > > [excerpt from will] > > > > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert and James, > > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to be their > > share of my estate, > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June > > LeeMeffordKinkead > > > > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to died in > > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a grandson by a > > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. > > > > > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. William > > > but > > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I think he > > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land from > > > John > > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears in 2 > > > other GCP families. > > > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> > > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM > > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June Lee > > > MeffordKinkead > > > > > > > > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. William's > > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married Margaret > > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) Kinkead, > > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he married > > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. > > >> > > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It should be > > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" and > > >> very > > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with one of > > >> the many others. > > >> > > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) > > >> > > >> > > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June Lee > > >>> Mefford Kinkead? > > >>> > > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret > > >>> Kinkead > > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. > > >>> > > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the > > >>> spouse > > >>> of William. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> John > > >>> > > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > >>> > > >>> www.kincaiddna.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > >> > > >> www.kincaiddna.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW (and it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same person. Does anyone disagree with that? It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret could NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. Thanks, John (#241829) > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead > > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> > > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. is to > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and exactly 1 > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to John Jr. > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a corner > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two of the > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. > > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., and > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 acres > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on Calfpasture > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. > > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. > > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to Mathew > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's corner. > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. > > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, 106 acres > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's part of > said tract. > > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to be their > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still contend > is the same man as JtW. > > > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead dated July > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in April, 1813. > Abstract follows: > > [excerpt from will] > > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert and James, > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to be their > share of my estate, > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June > LeeMeffordKinkead > > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to died in > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a grandson by a > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. > > > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. William > > but > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I think he > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land from > > John > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears in 2 > > other GCP families. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June Lee > > MeffordKinkead > > > > > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. William's > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married Margaret > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) Kinkead, > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he married > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. > >> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It should be > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" and > >> very > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with one of > >> the many others. > >> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) > >> > >> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June Lee > >>> Mefford Kinkead? > >>> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret > >>> Kinkead > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. > >>> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the > >>> spouse > >>> of William. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> John > >>> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > >>> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > >> > >> www.kincaiddna.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<< as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. is to John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and exactly 1 year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to John Jr. shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a corner with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two of the deeds, as it would clear up a lot. AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., and Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 acres conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on Calfpasture River; corner Mathew Kinkead. AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to Mathew Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's corner. Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's part of said tract. and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to be their share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still contend is the same man as JtW. BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead dated July 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in April, 1813. Abstract follows: [excerpt from will] ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert and James, five dollars each together with what they have already have got to be their share of my estate, -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to died in > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a grandson by a > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. William > but > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I think he > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land from > John > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears in 2 > other GCP families. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June Lee > MeffordKinkead > > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. William's >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married Margaret >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) Kinkead, >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he married >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >> >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It should be >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" and >> very >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with one of >> the many others. >> >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >> >> >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >> >>> >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June Lee >>> Mefford Kinkead? >>> >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret >>> Kinkead >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >>> >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the >>> spouse >>> of William. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> John >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to died in 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a grandson by a deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. William but I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears in 2 other GCP families. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June Lee MeffordKinkead > Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. William's > son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married Margaret > Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) Kinkead, > born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he married > Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. > > This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It should be > remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" and very > often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with one of > the many others. > > William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) > > > On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: > >> >> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June Lee >> Mefford Kinkead? >> >> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret Kinkead >> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >> >> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the spouse >> of William. >> >> Thanks, >> John >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Results for #214056's upgrade to 67 markers are starting to come back from the lab. The 38-47 marker panel has been returned and matches the Group A Apparent Ancestral Values exactly. #214056 is in A-3 and is vetted to Thomas D Kingcade of Cannon TN b 1828 d 1907 m Elizabeth Cummings Sue Liedtke

Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. William's son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married Margaret Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) Kinkead, born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he married Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It should be remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" and very often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with one of the many others. William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: > > Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June Lee Mefford Kinkead? > > It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret Kinkead of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. > > I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the spouse of William. > > Thanks, > John > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The given name wasn't disclosed. They lived in the Seattle area. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "thelma" <thelmamarie55@gmail.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New join. 237325 >I have been ill so am catching up on email. Does anyone know the name of > this Shoemaker? Shoemaker is my maiden name and I have done research. > Tootsie wife of late Ted 47327 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:03 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] New join. 237325 > > >> We have a new DNA participant by transfer. The donor was born Aug 1942 in >> Seattle, WA to an unwed Shoemaker who gave the name of the father as John >> Bush. The closest matches for his results at the 37 marker level are >> Kincaids which is what brought his son, the researcher, to our project. >> >> The results differ from our C-2 Kincaid AAV at these alleles >> At marker 4 (DYS 391) he has an 11 instead of a 12. >> At marker 12 (DYS 389-2) he has a 29 instead of a 30 >> At marker 29 (YCAlia) he has a 23 instead of a 24 >> >> This is a lot of mutation for this mostly harmonious set where the AAV or >> a >> single mutation is the norm. I will temporarily place him in that set >> with >> the hopes that he can upgrade to 67 markers which may bring more clarity. >> >> This is a shot in the dark as there is no guarantee that the father was a >> John Bush or was in Seattle much prior or after conception but every >> avenue >> is worth exploring. Does anyone know of a Kincaid-Bush cross somewhere >> along >> the line? Also were there C-2 Kincaids in the Seattle area during late >> 1941? >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been ill so am catching up on email. Does anyone know the name of this Shoemaker? Shoemaker is my maiden name and I have done research. Tootsie wife of late Ted 47327 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: [KINCAID] New join. 237325 > We have a new DNA participant by transfer. The donor was born Aug 1942 in > Seattle, WA to an unwed Shoemaker who gave the name of the father as John > Bush. The closest matches for his results at the 37 marker level are > Kincaids which is what brought his son, the researcher, to our project. > > The results differ from our C-2 Kincaid AAV at these alleles > At marker 4 (DYS 391) he has an 11 instead of a 12. > At marker 12 (DYS 389-2) he has a 29 instead of a 30 > At marker 29 (YCAlia) he has a 23 instead of a 24 > > This is a lot of mutation for this mostly harmonious set where the AAV or > a > single mutation is the norm. I will temporarily place him in that set with > the hopes that he can upgrade to 67 markers which may bring more clarity. > > This is a shot in the dark as there is no guarantee that the father was a > John Bush or was in Seattle much prior or after conception but every > avenue > is worth exploring. Does anyone know of a Kincaid-Bush cross somewhere > along > the line? Also were there C-2 Kincaids in the Seattle area during late > 1941? > > Sue Liedtke > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Way to go, Norman. You will be the place to shop. Thank you, Alice Gedge -----Original Message----- From: Norman Kincaide Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 1:07 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaids of Adams County, Ohio Dear Kincaid listers, I have uploaded Kincaids of Adams County, Ohio to the Kincaid Research page. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/kincaids%20of%20adams%20county,%20ohio.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/ There are now 81 pages within the Kincaid Research page. Sincerely Norman Kincaide For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Kincaid listers, I have uploaded Kincaids of Adams County, Ohio to the Kincaid Research page. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/kincaids%20of%20adams%20county,%20ohio.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Genealogical%20Historiography/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/ There are now 81 pages within the Kincaid Research page. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

It works for me. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com > wrote: > I sent a new link for the Kincaid Research page and it has not appeared on > the list yet. This is a test message. > > Norman Kincaide > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well, shape up lady. I have plenty of room and would love to have you. Here's a toast to Wellness because your problems have gone on much too long. Ruth In a message dated 8/13/2012 7:23:48 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, meredithkincaid@ymail.com writes: Ruth, I would take you up on that as I love Salt Lake City if I could stay out of the hospital longer than a week or two at a time. Meredith Sent from my iPad On Aug 12, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Utahn1@aol.com wrote: > I have a record player if you want to come to Salt Lake City <grin> > > Ruth Cherecwich > > > In a message dated 8/12/2012 8:41:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > meredithkincaid@ymail.com writes: > > I was lucky enough to find a Bradley Kincaid vinyl. Lp album on eBay a > couple of years ago. However, I do not have a record player to play it on, so > am looking for one to,play it on. Meredith Kincaid > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 12, 2012, at 8:07 PM, "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: > >> I learned more about Bradley Kincaid from this article due to the > reporter interviewing Bradleyfs son Jim so thought I would pass it on. Does > anyone know Jim? >> >> Don >> >> Kincaid shares legacy with Ellington, Carmichael >> >> The late Bradley Kincaid of Springfield has a place at the Starr-Gennett > Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., for being one of the pioneer performers in > the nationfs early recording industry. >> By Tom Stafford >> >> Staff Writer >> >> Bradley Kincaid was a married college student looking for cash to make > ends meet in 1924 when he stumbled into stardom. >> >> Now a bronze medallion with the Springfielderfs name on it rests on > Starr-Gennett Foundationfs Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., the same walk that > honors Duke Ellington, Coleman Hawkins, Tommy Dorsey, Hoagy Carmichael and > Fats Wa >> >> Son Jim Kincaidfs account describes his fatherfs rise from obscurity > in Point Leavell, Ky., to the Grand Old Opry as ga classic story where > poverty meets church, church brings light, lights brings education and > education brings success.h >> >> That same story also cuts a path through the days when the YMCA had a > college; when Sears and Roebuck called its radio station WLS for the Worldfs > Largest Store; and when Berea College was establishing itself as a route > young people of Appalachia could take from backwoods hollows to a wider > world. >> >> Most accounts of Bradley Kincaidfs musical career begin with a guitar > now on permanent display in the Kentucky Music Hall of Fame. That gHounf > Dogh guitar got its name long before Elvis Presley. >> >> The guitar was named instead for the animal Kincaidfs father traded to > a fellow fox hunter to get it. >> >> The instrument proved to be a steadier companion in Kincaidfs childhood > than his father, who left his children shortly after Kincaidfs mother > died in 1909, when the boy was 14. Looked after by his older sister, he was > what son Jim calls ga typical under-educated country boyh the day he went > to a camp meeting akin to a revival at the nearby church his father had > helped to build. >> >> There, Kincaid and his constant pal Jim Ralston, later of Ralston-Purina > fame, answered the altar call and pledged to make something of themselves, > Jim Kincaid writes. >> >> Soon, young Bradley was studying music at the Berea Academy, a > preparatory school attached to Berea College. After finishing high school there, > Kincaid married one of his teachers. Eventually in search of a college > education for him, the two gboarded a train for Chicago, where he enrolled in the > YMCA college,h Jim writes. gTo help pay the bills he sang in the college > quartet.h >> >> It was with that group that Bradley Kincaid was asked to sing at the > National Barn Dance, which was broadcast at not always predictable times, but > always on Saturday evening from the station associated with the Worldfs > Largest Store. (A city with a broad ego as well as shoulders, Chicago was also > home to WGN. Associated with the Chicago Tribune, its call letters stood > for Worldfs Greatest Newspaper.) >> >> On the air, Bradley Kincaid sang gBarbara Allen,h one of the > melancholy English ballads his mother had taught him. In a Windy City home to so > many who had moved north to find factory work, the song seemed like a fresh > breeze from home. >> >> Days after he was paid $15 for going on the air, Kincaid received gtwo > huge mail bags filled with fan mail,h his son reports. gLiterally an > overnight success c he ended up singing eBarbara Allenf every Saturday night > for four years.h >> >> Fame reflected by 300,000 pieces of fan mail led to a place on Lakeshore > Drive, a Stutz Bearcat to drive, and recording sessions at Gennettfs > Chicago studios. Those earliest records were thick one-sided discs made for RCA > Victorfs Victrola. The studios were rudimentary. >> >> gDad told me he remembered recording (in Richmond) in a big barn-like > building, totally empty except for one mic hanging down in the center,h Jim > Kincaid said. >> >> Starting in that building with its organic brand of reverberation, he > went on to record with Champion, Silvertone and Supertone, the latter two > associated with catalog giants Sears and Montgomery Ward. He also recorded > with Brunswick, RCA Victor, Decca and Capital. >> >> gHe accounted for more than 2 million records during the 1920s and > f30s,h Jim Kincaid said. >> >> His fatherfs multiple labels may be evidence of ruckuses over > royalties; that may, in turn, explain why Bradley Kincaid ended up moving from radio > station to radio station. >> >> First at WLS, then at Cincinnatifs WLW, KDKA in Pittsburgh, WBZ in > Boston, NBC New York and WHAM Rochester, N.Y., Kincaid followed a similar > strategy: He used the popularity of the air waves both to land musical bookings > and to sell his song books, which produced their own incontestable > royalties. (The rights eventually were donated to Berea College.) >> >> The books included sheet music for mountain ballads Kincaid collected on > visits to hamlets and hollows in Kentucky and West Virginia \ songs his > music teacher wife transcribed for publication. The books contained the > heart of his work. >> >> Biographer Loyal Jones said Kincaid gbecame an instant success just by > singing the songs he had learned in his native Kentucky from ordinary > people.h >> >> And ghis success was due mainly to his modest and pleasing personality > and his feel for a knowledge of a rare treasure of folk music.h >> >> His trek took his family through the 1930s and f40s as he sang > favorites including gLiza up in the eSimmon Tree,h gGive My Love to Nell,h > gWhen the Workfs All Done This Fall,h gPretty Little Pinkh and gIfll be > All Smiles Tonight.h >> >> In 1945, the Kincaids landed in Nashville with WSM radio and the Grand > Ole Opry. But the world was changing. >> >> Just as fans were using fewer battery powered Atwater-Kent radios in a > more fully electrified America, guitars were making room for electric > guitars, pianos and drums on the set of the Opry. >> >> Bill Knowlton, who wrote notes for the dedication of Kincaidfs marker, > said Kincaid gleft in 1950 feeling that his authentic mountain ballads and > pure Appalachian singing style were no longer being accepted by > contemporary audiences.h >> >> With those days behind him, the man whose family had lived a nomadic > life for 25 years wanted to settle down. Having invested in a string of radio > stations, Kincaid came to Springfield to turn around or spin off an > unprofitable one and ended up staying. He then returned from a trip to a music > store in the cityfs Arcade one day owning not just a guitar but the store > itself, a forerunner of the Kincaidfs music store now on First Street in > Springfield. >> >> Having settled into retirement, Bradley Kincaid played his last game of > golf at age 92, two years before being taken by a heart attack on Sept. 23, > 1989. >> >> Jim Kincaid said after news of his fatherfs death went out on the > Associated Press wire service, a fan whose favorite Bradley Kincaid song was > gBarbara Allenh mailed $5 and a request. >> >> The song tells the sad story of young William, whose love Barbara Allen > ignores and takes for granted until he dies of a broken heart. Realizing > her mistake, Barbara has herself buried next to William. >> >> gOn Williamfs grave there grew a red rose; On Barbarafs grew a green > briar.h >> >> gThey grew to the top of the old church wall; till they could not grow > higher.h >> >> gThere they entwined in a true loversf knot and the rose grew round > the briar.h >> >> Jim Kincaid honored the writerfs request and placed a rose on his > fatherfs grave \ a symbol not only of the love described in the song, but the > enduring love his fans had for Bradley Kincaid. >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ruth, I would take you up on that as I love Salt Lake City if I could stay out of the hospital longer than a week or two at a time. Meredith Sent from my iPad On Aug 12, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Utahn1@aol.com wrote: > I have a record player if you want to come to Salt Lake City <grin> > > Ruth Cherecwich > > > In a message dated 8/12/2012 8:41:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > meredithkincaid@ymail.com writes: > > I was lucky enough to find a Bradley Kincaid vinyl. Lp album on eBay a > couple of years ago. However, I do not have a record player to play it on, so > am looking for one to,play it on. Meredith Kincaid > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 12, 2012, at 8:07 PM, "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: > >> I learned more about Bradley Kincaid from this article due to the > reporter interviewing Bradleyfs son Jim so thought I would pass it on. Does > anyone know Jim? >> >> Don >> >> Kincaid shares legacy with Ellington, Carmichael >> >> The late Bradley Kincaid of Springfield has a place at the Starr-Gennett > Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., for being one of the pioneer performers in > the nationfs early recording industry. >> By Tom Stafford >> >> Staff Writer >> >> Bradley Kincaid was a married college student looking for cash to make > ends meet in 1924 when he stumbled into stardom. >> >> Now a bronze medallion with the Springfielderfs name on it rests on > Starr-Gennett Foundationfs Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., the same walk that > honors Duke Ellington, Coleman Hawkins, Tommy Dorsey, Hoagy Carmichael and > Fats Wa >> >> Son Jim Kincaidfs account describes his fatherfs rise from obscurity > in Point Leavell, Ky., to the Grand Old Opry as ga classic story where > poverty meets church, church brings light, lights brings education and > education brings success.h >> >> That same story also cuts a path through the days when the YMCA had a > college; when Sears and Roebuck called its radio station WLS for the Worldfs > Largest Store; and when Berea College was establishing itself as a route > young people of Appalachia could take from backwoods hollows to a wider > world. >> >> Most accounts of Bradley Kincaidfs musical career begin with a guitar > now on permanent display in the Kentucky Music Hall of Fame. That gHounf > Dogh guitar got its name long before Elvis Presley. >> >> The guitar was named instead for the animal Kincaidfs father traded to > a fellow fox hunter to get it. >> >> The instrument proved to be a steadier companion in Kincaidfs childhood > than his father, who left his children shortly after Kincaidfs mother > died in 1909, when the boy was 14. Looked after by his older sister, he was > what son Jim calls ga typical under-educated country boyh the day he went > to a camp meeting akin to a revival at the nearby church his father had > helped to build. >> >> There, Kincaid and his constant pal Jim Ralston, later of Ralston-Purina > fame, answered the altar call and pledged to make something of themselves, > Jim Kincaid writes. >> >> Soon, young Bradley was studying music at the Berea Academy, a > preparatory school attached to Berea College. After finishing high school there, > Kincaid married one of his teachers. Eventually in search of a college > education for him, the two gboarded a train for Chicago, where he enrolled in the > YMCA college,h Jim writes. gTo help pay the bills he sang in the college > quartet.h >> >> It was with that group that Bradley Kincaid was asked to sing at the > National Barn Dance, which was broadcast at not always predictable times, but > always on Saturday evening from the station associated with the Worldfs > Largest Store. (A city with a broad ego as well as shoulders, Chicago was also > home to WGN. Associated with the Chicago Tribune, its call letters stood > for Worldfs Greatest Newspaper.) >> >> On the air, Bradley Kincaid sang gBarbara Allen,h one of the > melancholy English ballads his mother had taught him. In a Windy City home to so > many who had moved north to find factory work, the song seemed like a fresh > breeze from home. >> >> Days after he was paid $15 for going on the air, Kincaid received gtwo > huge mail bags filled with fan mail,h his son reports. gLiterally an > overnight success c he ended up singing eBarbara Allenf every Saturday night > for four years.h >> >> Fame reflected by 300,000 pieces of fan mail led to a place on Lakeshore > Drive, a Stutz Bearcat to drive, and recording sessions at Gennettfs > Chicago studios. Those earliest records were thick one-sided discs made for RCA > Victorfs Victrola. The studios were rudimentary. >> >> gDad told me he remembered recording (in Richmond) in a big barn-like > building, totally empty except for one mic hanging down in the center,h Jim > Kincaid said. >> >> Starting in that building with its organic brand of reverberation, he > went on to record with Champion, Silvertone and Supertone, the latter two > associated with catalog giants Sears and Montgomery Ward. He also recorded > with Brunswick, RCA Victor, Decca and Capital. >> >> gHe accounted for more than 2 million records during the 1920s and > f30s,h Jim Kincaid said. >> >> His fatherfs multiple labels may be evidence of ruckuses over > royalties; that may, in turn, explain why Bradley Kincaid ended up moving from radio > station to radio station. >> >> First at WLS, then at Cincinnatifs WLW, KDKA in Pittsburgh, WBZ in > Boston, NBC New York and WHAM Rochester, N.Y., Kincaid followed a similar > strategy: He used the popularity of the air waves both to land musical bookings > and to sell his song books, which produced their own incontestable > royalties. (The rights eventually were donated to Berea College.) >> >> The books included sheet music for mountain ballads Kincaid collected on > visits to hamlets and hollows in Kentucky and West Virginia \ songs his > music teacher wife transcribed for publication. The books contained the > heart of his work. >> >> Biographer Loyal Jones said Kincaid gbecame an instant success just by > singing the songs he had learned in his native Kentucky from ordinary > people.h >> >> And ghis success was due mainly to his modest and pleasing personality > and his feel for a knowledge of a rare treasure of folk music.h >> >> His trek took his family through the 1930s and f40s as he sang > favorites including gLiza up in the eSimmon Tree,h gGive My Love to Nell,h > gWhen the Workfs All Done This Fall,h gPretty Little Pinkh and gIfll be > All Smiles Tonight.h >> >> In 1945, the Kincaids landed in Nashville with WSM radio and the Grand > Ole Opry. But the world was changing. >> >> Just as fans were using fewer battery powered Atwater-Kent radios in a > more fully electrified America, guitars were making room for electric > guitars, pianos and drums on the set of the Opry. >> >> Bill Knowlton, who wrote notes for the dedication of Kincaidfs marker, > said Kincaid gleft in 1950 feeling that his authentic mountain ballads and > pure Appalachian singing style were no longer being accepted by > contemporary audiences.h >> >> With those days behind him, the man whose family had lived a nomadic > life for 25 years wanted to settle down. Having invested in a string of radio > stations, Kincaid came to Springfield to turn around or spin off an > unprofitable one and ended up staying. He then returned from a trip to a music > store in the cityfs Arcade one day owning not just a guitar but the store > itself, a forerunner of the Kincaidfs music store now on First Street in > Springfield. >> >> Having settled into retirement, Bradley Kincaid played his last game of > golf at age 92, two years before being taken by a heart attack on Sept. 23, > 1989. >> >> Jim Kincaid said after news of his fatherfs death went out on the > Associated Press wire service, a fan whose favorite Bradley Kincaid song was > gBarbara Allenh mailed $5 and a request. >> >> The song tells the sad story of young William, whose love Barbara Allen > ignores and takes for granted until he dies of a broken heart. Realizing > her mistake, Barbara has herself buried next to William. >> >> gOn Williamfs grave there grew a red rose; On Barbarafs grew a green > briar.h >> >> gThey grew to the top of the old church wall; till they could not grow > higher.h >> >> gThere they entwined in a true loversf knot and the rose grew round > the briar.h >> >> Jim Kincaid honored the writerfs request and placed a rose on his > fatherfs grave \ a symbol not only of the love described in the song, but the > enduring love his fans had for Bradley Kincaid. >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

AMAZING information just came in from Woodford County that shows my lineage back to the John Kinkead, husband of Margaret, who died in Woodford County, KY in 1820. The documents show land records for John's son William, named in the will of John dated 1817, receiving a lot of land in 1823. This same land is sold in August of 1841 by John D, Presley, Evelina, Margaret and William's wife Elizabeth. This is the missing link that now allows me to positively connect back two more generations from my John D Kinkead (1811-1895). It also shows that the William in the will of John(Margaret) Kinkead was married to an Elizabeth (I believe Elizabeth Fawcett) and positively places my Kinkeads in Woodford County. Super super super exciting! Ok, just took a quick break to let yall know. Back to looking at the docs...

Congratulations!!! It is amazing what looking at the land records will do. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 3:08 PM Subject: [SPAM][KINCAID] John/Margaret of Woodford County, KY > > AMAZING information just came in from Woodford County that shows my > lineage back to the John Kinkead, husband of Margaret, who died in > Woodford County, KY in 1820. > > The documents show land records for John's son William, named in the will > of John dated 1817, receiving a lot of land in 1823. This same land is > sold in August of 1841 by John D, Presley, Evelina, Margaret and William's > wife Elizabeth. > > This is the missing link that now allows me to positively connect back two > more generations from my John D Kinkead (1811-1895). > > It also shows that the William in the will of John(Margaret) Kinkead was > married to an Elizabeth (I believe Elizabeth Fawcett) and positively > places my Kinkeads in Woodford County. > > Super super super exciting! Ok, just took a quick break to let yall know. > Back to looking at the docs... > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Exciting indeed! Good luck on getting even further back in time! Don -----Original Message----- From: John Kinkead Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 3:08 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] John/Margaret of Woodford County, KY AMAZING information just came in from Woodford County that shows my lineage back to the John Kinkead, husband of Margaret, who died in Woodford County, KY in 1820. The documents show land records for John's son William, named in the will of John dated 1817, receiving a lot of land in 1823. This same land is sold in August of 1841 by John D, Presley, Evelina, Margaret and William's wife Elizabeth. This is the missing link that now allows me to positively connect back two more generations from my John D Kinkead (1811-1895). It also shows that the William in the will of John(Margaret) Kinkead was married to an Elizabeth (I believe Elizabeth Fawcett) and positively places my Kinkeads in Woodford County. Super super super exciting! Ok, just took a quick break to let yall know. Back to looking at the docs... For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a record player if you want to come to Salt Lake City <grin> Ruth Cherecwich In a message dated 8/12/2012 8:41:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, meredithkincaid@ymail.com writes: I was lucky enough to find a Bradley Kincaid vinyl. Lp album on eBay a couple of years ago. However, I do not have a record player to play it on, so am looking for one to,play it on. Meredith Kincaid Sent from my iPad On Aug 12, 2012, at 8:07 PM, "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: > I learned more about Bradley Kincaid from this article due to the reporter interviewing Bradleyfs son Jim so thought I would pass it on. Does anyone know Jim? > > Don > > Kincaid shares legacy with Ellington, Carmichael > > The late Bradley Kincaid of Springfield has a place at the Starr-Gennett Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., for being one of the pioneer performers in the nationfs early recording industry. > By Tom Stafford > > Staff Writer > > Bradley Kincaid was a married college student looking for cash to make ends meet in 1924 when he stumbled into stardom. > > Now a bronze medallion with the Springfielderfs name on it rests on Starr-Gennett Foundationfs Walk of Fame in Richmond, Ind., the same walk that honors Duke Ellington, Coleman Hawkins, Tommy Dorsey, Hoagy Carmichael and Fats Wa > > Son Jim Kincaidfs account describes his fatherfs rise from obscurity in Point Leavell, Ky., to the Grand Old Opry as ga classic story where poverty meets church, church brings light, lights brings education and education brings success.h > > That same story also cuts a path through the days when the YMCA had a college; when Sears and Roebuck called its radio station WLS for the Worldfs Largest Store; and when Berea College was establishing itself as a route young people of Appalachia could take from backwoods hollows to a wider world. > > Most accounts of Bradley Kincaidfs musical career begin with a guitar now on permanent display in the Kentucky Music Hall of Fame. That gHounf Dogh guitar got its name long before Elvis Presley. > > The guitar was named instead for the animal Kincaidfs father traded to a fellow fox hunter to get it. > > The instrument proved to be a steadier companion in Kincaidfs childhood than his father, who left his children shortly after Kincaidfs mother died in 1909, when the boy was 14. Looked after by his older sister, he was what son Jim calls ga typical under-educated country boyh the day he went to a camp meeting akin to a revival at the nearby church his father had helped to build. > > There, Kincaid and his constant pal Jim Ralston, later of Ralston-Purina fame, answered the altar call and pledged to make something of themselves, Jim Kincaid writes. > > Soon, young Bradley was studying music at the Berea Academy, a preparatory school attached to Berea College. After finishing high school there, Kincaid married one of his teachers. Eventually in search of a college education for him, the two gboarded a train for Chicago, where he enrolled in the YMCA college,h Jim writes. gTo help pay the bills he sang in the college quartet.h > > It was with that group that Bradley Kincaid was asked to sing at the National Barn Dance, which was broadcast at not always predictable times, but always on Saturday evening from the station associated with the Worldfs Largest Store. (A city with a broad ego as well as shoulders, Chicago was also home to WGN. Associated with the Chicago Tribune, its call letters stood for Worldfs Greatest Newspaper.) > > On the air, Bradley Kincaid sang gBarbara Allen,h one of the melancholy English ballads his mother had taught him. In a Windy City home to so many who had moved north to find factory work, the song seemed like a fresh breeze from home. > > Days after he was paid $15 for going on the air, Kincaid received gtwo huge mail bags filled with fan mail,h his son reports. gLiterally an overnight success c he ended up singing eBarbara Allenf every Saturday night for four years.h > > Fame reflected by 300,000 pieces of fan mail led to a place on Lakeshore Drive, a Stutz Bearcat to drive, and recording sessions at Gennettfs Chicago studios. Those earliest records were thick one-sided discs made for RCA Victorfs Victrola. The studios were rudimentary. > > gDad told me he remembered recording (in Richmond) in a big barn-like building, totally empty except for one mic hanging down in the center,h Jim Kincaid said. > > Starting in that building with its organic brand of reverberation, he went on to record with Champion, Silvertone and Supertone, the latter two associated with catalog giants Sears and Montgomery Ward. He also recorded with Brunswick, RCA Victor, Decca and Capital. > > gHe accounted for more than 2 million records during the 1920s and f30s,h Jim Kincaid said. > > His fatherfs multiple labels may be evidence of ruckuses over royalties; that may, in turn, explain why Bradley Kincaid ended up moving from radio station to radio station. > > First at WLS, then at Cincinnatifs WLW, KDKA in Pittsburgh, WBZ in Boston, NBC New York and WHAM Rochester, N.Y., Kincaid followed a similar strategy: He used the popularity of the air waves both to land musical bookings and to sell his song books, which produced their own incontestable royalties. (The rights eventually were donated to Berea College.) > > The books included sheet music for mountain ballads Kincaid collected on visits to hamlets and hollows in Kentucky and West Virginia \ songs his music teacher wife transcribed for publication. The books contained the heart of his work. > > Biographer Loyal Jones said Kincaid gbecame an instant success just by singing the songs he had learned in his native Kentucky from ordinary people.h > > And ghis success was due mainly to his modest and pleasing personality and his feel for a knowledge of a rare treasure of folk music.h > > His trek took his family through the 1930s and f40s as he sang favorites including gLiza up in the eSimmon Tree,h gGive My Love to Nell,h gWhen the Workfs All Done This Fall,h gPretty Little Pinkh and gIfll be All Smiles Tonight.h > > In 1945, the Kincaids landed in Nashville with WSM radio and the Grand Ole Opry. But the world was changing. > > Just as fans were using fewer battery powered Atwater-Kent radios in a more fully electrified America, guitars were making room for electric guitars, pianos and drums on the set of the Opry. > > Bill Knowlton, who wrote notes for the dedication of Kincaidfs marker, said Kincaid gleft in 1950 feeling that his authentic mountain ballads and pure Appalachian singing style were no longer being accepted by contemporary audiences.h > > With those days behind him, the man whose family had lived a nomadic life for 25 years wanted to settle down. Having invested in a string of radio stations, Kincaid came to Springfield to turn around or spin off an unprofitable one and ended up staying. He then returned from a trip to a music store in the cityfs Arcade one day owning not just a guitar but the store itself, a forerunner of the Kincaidfs music store now on First Street in Springfield. > > Having settled into retirement, Bradley Kincaid played his last game of golf at age 92, two years before being taken by a heart attack on Sept. 23, 1989. > > Jim Kincaid said after news of his fatherfs death went out on the Associated Press wire service, a fan whose favorite Bradley Kincaid song was gBarbara Allenh mailed $5 and a request. > > The song tells the sad story of young William, whose love Barbara Allen ignores and takes for granted until he dies of a broken heart. Realizing her mistake, Barbara has herself buried next to William. > > gOn Williamfs grave there grew a red rose; On Barbarafs grew a green briar.h > > gThey grew to the top of the old church wall; till they could not grow higher.h > > gThere they entwined in a true loversf knot and the rose grew round the briar.h > > Jim Kincaid honored the writerfs request and placed a rose on his fatherfs grave \ a symbol not only of the love described in the song, but the enduring love his fans had for Bradley Kincaid. > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message