Don (and all of you) I organized a 50th reunion for a Fighter Squadron I had been in and used these.... found 117 guys.. Try Ancestry.. It says 1950 to 1993 but I think I got later ones on it. _U.S. _ (http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1732) _U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 1_ (http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1732) _Public Records Index, Volume 2_ (http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1732) The U.S. Public Records Index is a compilation of various public records spanning all 50 states in the United States from 1950 to 1993. Entries in this index may contain the following information: name, street or mailing address, telephone number, birth date or birth year. Then try these,,,I am not sure the links will pass through to the list...If not ,let me know and I will try something else. 1. free _http://www.whitepages.com/person_ (http://www.whitepages.com/person) 2 free _http://www.spokeo.com/username-search_ (http://www.spokeo.com/username-search) 3. $ _http://www.intelius.com/business-people-search.html_ (http://www.intelius.com/business-people-search.html) 4. $ _http://www.ussearch.com_ (http://www.ussearch.com) 5 $ _http://www.peoplelookup.com_ (http://www.peoplelookup.com) 6. $ _http://www.publicrecords.com_ (http://www.publicrecords.com) 7. free _http://intelius.yellowbook.com_ (http://intelius.yellowbook.com) 8. $ _http://www.peoplefinders.com_ (http://www.peoplefinders.com) Richard A Kincaid kincaidsofmaine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard, Thanks mighty much! Don -----Original Message----- From: Kincaidsofmaine@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 9:00 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] zabasearch.com Don (and all of you) I organized a 50th reunion for a Fighter Squadron I had been in and used these.... found 117 guys.. Try Ancestry.. It says 1950 to 1993 but I think I got later ones on it. _U.S. _ (http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1732) _U.S. Public Records Index, Volume 1_ (http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1732) _Public Records Index, Volume 2_ (http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1732) The U.S. Public Records Index is a compilation of various public records spanning all 50 states in the United States from 1950 to 1993. Entries in this index may contain the following information: name, street or mailing address, telephone number, birth date or birth year. Then try these,,,I am not sure the links will pass through to the list...If not ,let me know and I will try something else. 1. free _http://www.whitepages.com/person_ (http://www.whitepages.com/person) 2 free _http://www.spokeo.com/username-search_ (http://www.spokeo.com/username-search) 3. $ _http://www.intelius.com/business-people-search.html_ (http://www.intelius.com/business-people-search.html) 4. $ _http://www.ussearch.com_ (http://www.ussearch.com) 5 $ _http://www.peoplelookup.com_ (http://www.peoplelookup.com) 6. $ _http://www.publicrecords.com_ (http://www.publicrecords.com) 7. free _http://intelius.yellowbook.com_ (http://intelius.yellowbook.com) 8. $ _http://www.peoplefinders.com_ (http://www.peoplefinders.com) Richard A Kincaid kincaidsofmaine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I may have spoke too soon about Zaba Search. I ran a search for myself and found listings for 22 addresses where I received mail at one time dating all the way back to 1980. One address was for my wife's cousin's home in Troutdale, OR where we had some mail forwarded to us when visiting there for 3 days. Some of the addresses were postal service changes when we did not move but the address changed. So my question if anyone knows of a better search engine for phone and addresses is more urgent. Don -----Original Message----- From: Don W Kincaid Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:05 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] zabasearch.com I discovered I was still in the dark ages using whitepages.com to look for phone numbers and addresses. I asked Debra Griggs today about the search engine she used since she had found some I could not when we worked on the descendants of David and Winifred. She said www.zabasearch.com was the one she used mostly. I see why she found more than I did since Zaba Search says “Three Times More Residential Listings than White Pages Phone Directory” . So I wanted to pass the site along to you. Does anyone have an even better phone and address search engine? Don For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I discovered I was still in the dark ages using whitepages.com to look for phone numbers and addresses. I asked Debra Griggs today about the search engine she used since she had found some I could not when we worked on the descendants of David and Winifred. She said www.zabasearch.com was the one she used mostly. I see why she found more than I did since Zaba Search says “Three Times More Residential Listings than White Pages Phone Directory” . So I wanted to pass the site along to you. Does anyone have an even better phone and address search engine? Don

The rest of #214056 have been returned. He matches the rest of A-3 who have upgraded on all markers in the 38-67 marker range. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:02 AM Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 214056 > Results for #214056's upgrade to 67 markers are starting to come back from > the lab. The 38-47 marker panel has been returned and matches the Group A > Apparent Ancestral Values exactly. > > #214056 is in A-3 and is vetted to Thomas D Kingcade of Cannon TN b 1828 d > 1907 m Elizabeth Cummings > > Sue Liedtke > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good find Barb. These indexes are frustrating as they do not give an indication of what the case was about. A descendent of Andrew/Mary d 1810 Grbr Co. who lives in the area tried finding the 1772 court case where Wood sues Danial O'Hara and Andrew Kincaid of Alb. Co. for a 10 yr old debt. This was mentioned in Chalkley but the file on this case can't be found. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:05 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Augusta County, Virginia records > Library of Virginia Chancery Court Index: > http://www.lva.virginia.gov/chancery/ > > Records from Augusta County are currently being added online. > > AUGUSTA CO > > 1770-002 > > 420 > > Plaintiff(s) DAVID KINKEAD > > Defendant(s) MATTHEW KINKEAD > > The date of 1770 matches the date on the deeds of John and Andrew Kincaid. > This David Kinkead could not have been Matthew's son David, who was not > old > enough to go to court. > I believe that this was David Kinkead/Winifred, who had a previous > connection to this land with John the Clerk. There is nothing in this > chancery court record to indicate the reason David filed a lawsuit. > > Barbara > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis House > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:13 PM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer > AncestrybyJuneLeeMeffordKinkead > > Sue, thanks for that. One thing that has always bothered me is where is > James of JtW after 1772? And where is the James of JoB at all? I > understand > the DNA groupings are a tremendous hurdle, but why do we not see two sets > of > like named sons making records later on? If the James of JtW dies early, > it seems more than a coincidence that the James of JoB also leaves no > records at all except for the mention in the 1801 will. > > And who are the parents of either JtW or JoB? Rev. John has no known > family, > yet he buys over 1000 acres and apparently lives on it for 9 years, until > he > deeds half to JtW (witnessed maddeningly, by a John and Andrew that have > to > be older than the 1760s men of the same names). How does a Reverend farm a > tract that large without help? Who is on that land prior to Rev. John > moving > to Chester Co. in 1753? Could JtW be his son? > > How does JoB fit in if he is different? It is an amazing coincidence that > JtW and JoB (each with wife Elizabeth and like named sons) each have > tracts > on directly opposite sides of Shenandoah Mountain (which separates the > Calfpasture and Cowpasture valleys). Both tracts were in Augusta until > Bath > was formed. (Bath county line runs E-W across Shenandoah mountain, then > south through the middle of Walker Mountain). Also maddening is why the > Augusta clerks didn't clarify these two families with like named wives and > sons, living only a few miles apart? That is, if there really were two > such > families? > > Something is still majorly wrong with the pieces as we have fit them. > > > AUG 10/16/1754 DB6-466( ) From Deed Book 6, p466: John Kinkead, clerk of > the County of Chester in Pa., to John Kinkead, weaver, of Augusta Co. Va. > 5 > Shillings, 530 ac, part of 1061 ac conveyed to John Kinkead, clerk, by > James > Patton & John Lewis, 17 Jul 1745, recorded in Orange, on Calfpasture > River; > corner Wm. Preston's land. Teste: John Kinkead, Andrew Kinkead. > > AUG 11/17/1761 C3-379(80 ) Deed Book 10. John ( ) Miller and Morthew ( ) > to John Kinkead, L80, 286 acres on Cowpasture. Delivered: Patrick Miller, > 4th May, 1771. > > > AUG 10/12/1765 AB-65( ) 'As it has pleased your Worships to send and > order > to nominate Four Person in the Cow Pasure to mark the line of the Several > plntations there, we the subscribers hereof have gone from the Forks at > Jackson's River upward to Joseph Mayse, and Thomas Feamster and William > Black from there to the head of the waters. There is many places that > there > is no livers in and others that doth not know their lines. The names of > such > as have f'd their lines are as follows. James McCay, James Scott.' > Feamster and Black marked for themselves and James Mayse, John McCreery, > James Knox, James Shaw, George Lewis, James Clements, > Hugh Hicklin, Charles Lewis, JOHN KINKEAD, Robert Hall, Boude Estill, > William Jackson, and James Bodkin.". > > > In addition, we have the "typo" record which refers to Rev John's and > JtW's > Calfpasture land but says Cowpasture instead of Calfpasture. Freudian > slip? > > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-546(298)# Tract on Great Cowpasture conveyed to John > Kinkead, weaver, by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754, and by said > John, weaver, and Elizabeth to Andrew Kinkead. > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:22 PM > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry > byJuneLeeMeffordKinkead > >> Dennis, The other deeds for the Beverly Manor land and a bit about the >> contenders need to be added in order to establish which John and Andrew >> are >> dealing with each other. . >>>From your work. >> AUG 8/19/1766 DB 13-34 Robert Kinkead and Anna Helena to Matthew Kinkead, >> 72 >> pounds, 174 1/2a part of 334a conveyed to Robert by James Bratton, 20 Apr >> 1763, on draught of Chrisitian Creek. >> >> AUG C3-500 08/ /1770 Above 174 1/2a delivered to Thomas Kinkead >> >> AUG C3-513 08/20/1771 Matthew Kinkead and Elizabeth to John Kinkead his >> father, 174 1/2a part of 334a in Beverly Manor on draft of Christian's >> Creek, corner Lewis. (No monetary amt in clip) >> >> AUG C3-518 12/07/1771 John Kinkead and Elizabeth to John Kinkead Jr., 174 >> 1/2a etc. (No monetary amt in clip). >> >> AUG 8/24/1772 DB 21-119 John Kinkead Junr and Ann his wife to Philip >> Fogle, >> 50 pounds, 174 1/2a etc. witnesses: Louis Bowyer, Christerfer Graham >> >> This is thought to be John Kinkead and Ann Graham. Her father was John >> Graham who held P&L tract 15 on the Great Calf Pasture. (John the >> Weaver's >> land was on P&L tract 18) His 1771 will names wife Elizabeth and children >> James, Lanty, John, Ann, Jane, Rebecca, Robert, Betty and Florence The >> will >> was proved by John Kinkade & John Armstrong >> >> In my notes I have that John & Ann married about 1769. I do not know >> where >> this came from but it seems reasonable. Daughter Elizabeth m in 1788 Wm >> Hopkins Grbr Co., son Lanty m Catherine Scott 1798 Bath Co., daughter >> Sally >> m James Thompson 1796 Grbr Co, daughter Rebecca m Andrew Kincaid in 1803 >> Grbr Co.(son of Andrew Kincaid & Mary), son Matthew m Betsy Scott in 1804 >> Bath Co. They may also have had a son Robert m Ann Elliot 1810 but that >> has >> been contested. John/Ann held land on Jackson River 1774-1784. They owned >> land on Indian Creek Grbr Co. 1774-1797 and on Anthony Creek Grbr Co. >> 1796-1807. The deed for the last of the Anthony Creek land is the only >> one >> Ann does not sign. All of their children eventually move to the Muddy >> Creek >> area for at least a little bit of time. Rebecca and her husband Andrew >> sold >> their Muddy Creek land soon after purchase (from Francis Kincaid, son of >> Thomas/Hannah), continuing to live on Anthony Creek until death. >> >> There is considerable inter-action between John/Ann's children and those >> of >> Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid whose daughter's married sons of Danial >> Hurrah >> who held land in Albemarle Co. 1771-1775 near land held by Thomas/Hannah >> (son of a John) 1765-1771, Matthew/Elizabeth Kincaid 1765-1773, Jean >> (widow >> of James Kincaid) 1765-1784, John Kincaid (no wife named) 1764-1768, and >> Andrew 1764-1769. Thomas/Hannah bought land at the head of the GCP from >> Hannah's father. This land was next to land owned by Andrew/Jean and >> William/Eleanor Gay. >> >> Although we can not get the children of Thomas/Hannah through vetting, >> those >> who research their family are quite certain of their identity. Almost >> all, >> including the daughters who m Harrah, have sons named Matthew. >> >> Andrew/Mary did not have a son named Matthew nor did their children name >> children Matthew. Andrew/Mary held Little Calf Pasture land 1765-1777, >> Jackson River land 1780-1795, near Indian Creek 1796-1798, and Anthony >> Creek >> 1793-death in 1810. >> >> So yes I agree, we may have at least 2 sets of siblings named John & >> Andrew >> but which John Jr is the son of John the Weaver? and which Andrew is >> brother >> to which John? Their are 2 contenders each of which has circumstantial >> evidence for the connection. By the way both John/Ann and John/Margaret >> have >> a descendent who is A-1a as do Capt. Wm/Eleanor, Andrew/Mary, and >> Thomas/Hannah. John of Bath's descendents are Group D. Andrew/Mary and >> John/Margaret lines both have the marker four 11. The others do not >> though >> we don't have a DNA line from Andrew/Jean or Matthew/Elizabeth.. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> >> . >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >> JuneLeeMeffordKinkead >> >> >>> John points out that in 2004 I posted that I have Andrew/Mary going to >>> the >>> Beverley Manor after living in Albemarle, buying land from Robert/Anna >>> Helena. He also mentions that the Andrew of JtW's Calfpasture land turns >>> up >>> in 1776 with wife Jean/Jane, not Mary. >>> >>> >>> AUG 06/20/1770 C3-500(406)@ Robert Kinkead and Anna heleney (Belina) ( ) >>> to Andrew Kinkead, L- 159 acres in Beverley Manor, part of 334 acres >>> conveyed to Robert by James Bratton & Elizabeth, 05/01/1763; corner >>> Lewis >>> and Gibson land. ... Delivered: Andrew Kinkead, November, 1771. >>> >>> AUG 08/ /1772 C1-366(A ) Woods vs. Daniel O'Hara and Andrew >>> Kinkead - Debt. On bond dated 1762, 4th August. Andrew of Albemarle >>> County. >>> >>> AUG 05/18/1773 DB21-253( )@ Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife to >>> Alexander >>> Gibson L128 10sh, 159 acres, part of 334 acres in Beverley Manor, on >>> some >>> drafts of Christian's Creek which was conveyed to said Andrew by Robert >>> Kinkead and Belina his wife by deed the 20th day of June 1770. Wit; >>> Alexander Thompson, Thomas Tate, ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead, Mary >>> Kinkead. >>> >>> I also show the Lunenburg Andrew Kinkead as "of Augusta" when he sells >>> his >>> land in 1770. Note, that the Lunenberg John Kinkead came from PA. >>> >>> It certainly does appear that we have TWO SETS of John/Andrews >>> interacting >>> with closely held land tracts at the same close dates, and they could be >>> sons of an earlier generation of John and Andrews, John (JtW)/Elizabeth >>> and >>> Andrew Sr./Isabella. >>> >>> >>> >>> LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (408) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to William >>> Nixon >>> ... wit: Samull Moore, John Ritchey, John Kinkad >>> >>> >>> >>> LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (410-11) Nathanial Barksdale of Pr. Edward Co. to >>> John >>> Kinkad of Lunenburg County ... L80 ... 600 acres Lunenburg Co., >>> Horsepen >>> Fork Cub Creek, bounded beginning NE from Robert Riche's corner on the >>> Ridge between Pr. Edward and Lunenburg Cos, to Wm. Nixon, to old >>> dividing >>> line, part of larger tract. corner ... south ... corner Alexander >>> Ritchey's line wit: Samuel Moore, John Ritchey, William Nixon, >>> Recorded >>> 4 >>> Aug 1761 Sig Nathl. Barksdale. >>> >>> >>> LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (245) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew >>> Kinkade >>> Senior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on >>> the >>> waters of Cub Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by >>> estimation >>> 166 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon South ... Thomas >>> Alexander's >>> line ... north ... Alexander Richey's corner, thence along his line >>> north >>> to >>> Andrew Kinkade junior's corner. ... to the beginning . ... Signed Robert >>> Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas TH >>> Harvey. Recorded July 12th 1764 Luninburgh county court. >>> >>> >>> >>> LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew >>> Kinkade >>> Junior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on >>> the >>> waters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by >>> estimation >>> 126 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas >>> corner >>> ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the >>> beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John >>> Ritchey, >>> James Sheaver, Thomas >>> >>> >>> >>> CHL 02/19/1770 DB-2 (459) Andrew Kinkade Jr. of Augusta Co. to Samuel >>> Scott of Prince Edward Co. L15.5, 126 acres in Charlotte on the waters >>> of >>> Cub Creek on a branch called Raccoon. Bounded by the lines of John >>> Thomas >>> and Alexander Ritchey. All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Wit: >>> James >>> Cunningham, Thomas Craig, Joseph Read. Recorded: 03 June 1771 >>> >>> >>> >>> CHL 01/05/1771 DB-2 (369) . Andrew Kinkade of Charlotte Co. to >>> Edward >>> Sadler of Prince Edward Co. L35, 166 acres in said Charlotte on a branch >>> of >>> Cub Creek called Raccoon branch. Bounded by the lines of Thos >>> Alexander, >>> Andrew Kinkade Jr. . All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Isabel >>> Kinkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Charles Hudspeth, Thomas Craig. >>> Recorded: >>> 07 >>> Jan 1771 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM >>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved >>>> together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. >>>> >>>> ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought >>>> from >>>> Wm. >>>> Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 >>>> acres >>>> lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 >>>> acre >>>> tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. >>>> John >>>> Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: >>>> ... >>>> as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) >>>> marked corner. >>>> >>>> ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought >>>> from >>>> Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated >>>> 100 >>>> acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a >>>> 520 >>>> acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto >>>> Mr. >>>> John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as >>>> follows: >>>> ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed >>>> (?) >>>> made corner. >>>> >>>> ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew >>>> Kinkead >>>> of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 >>>> acres >>>> more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of >>>> Meechim's >>>> River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John >>>> Robinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew >>>> and >>>> John Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew >>>> Kinkead >>>> and Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead >>>> >>>> ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John >>>> Kinkead >>>> of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres >>>> more >>>> or >>>> less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's >>>> River, >>>> part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William >>>> Grayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John >>>> Kinkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. >>>> >>>> >>>> Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they >>>> move >>>> together >>>> next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of >>>> JtW, the >>>> evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. >>>> >>>> Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM >>>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>>> >>>>> >>>>> That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of >>>>> John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as >>>>> four or five. >>>>> >>>>> The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, >>>>> Archibald, William and John. >>>>> >>>>> James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. >>>>> Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's >>>>> verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >>>>> >>>>> Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as >>>>> the >>>>> son of John/Margaret. >>>>> Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. >>>>> >>>>> William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John >>>>> Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >>>>> John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY >>>>> (probably >>>>> a second marriage). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com >>>>>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>>>>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>>> June >>>>>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW >>>>>> (and >>>>>> it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other >>>>>> possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted >>>>>> DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same >>>>>> person. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone disagree with that? >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret >>>>>> could >>>>>> NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> John (#241829) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net >>>>>> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>>>>> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>>> > June >>>>>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>>> > >>>>>> > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great >>>>>> > Calf >>>>>> > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. >>>>>> > is >>>>>> > to >>>>>> > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and >>>>>> > exactly >>>>>> > 1 >>>>>> > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to >>>>>> > John >>>>>> > Jr. >>>>>> > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares >>>>>> > a >>>>>> > corner >>>>>> > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two >>>>>> > of >>>>>> > the >>>>>> > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., >>>>>> > and >>>>>> > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 >>>>>> > acres >>>>>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on >>>>>> > Calfpasture >>>>>> > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and >>>>>> > Elizabeth ( ) >>>>>> > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 >>>>>> > acres >>>>>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, >>>>>> > 1754. >>>>>> > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to >>>>>> > Mathew >>>>>> > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said >>>>>> > Andrew's >>>>>> > corner. >>>>>> > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, >>>>>> > 106 >>>>>> > acres >>>>>> > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's >>>>>> > part >>>>>> > of >>>>>> > said tract. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to >>>>>> > be >>>>>> > their >>>>>> > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still >>>>>> > contend >>>>>> > is the same man as JtW. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead >>>>>> > dated >>>>>> > July >>>>>> > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in >>>>>> > April, >>>>>> > 1813. >>>>>> > Abstract follows: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > [excerpt from will] >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert >>>>>> > and >>>>>> > James, >>>>>> > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to >>>>>> > be >>>>>> > their >>>>>> > share of my estate, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >>>>>> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM >>>>>> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>>> > June >>>>>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered >>>>>> > > to >>>>>> > > died in >>>>>> > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a >>>>>> > > grandson >>>>>> > > by a >>>>>> > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. >>>>>> > > William >>>>>> > > but >>>>>> > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I >>>>>> > > think he >>>>>> > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land >>>>>> > > from >>>>>> > > John >>>>>> > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald >>>>>> > > appears >>>>>> > > in 2 >>>>>> > > other GCP families. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Sue Liedtke >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> >>>>>> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM >>>>>> > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>>> > > June >>>>>> > > Lee >>>>>> > > MeffordKinkead >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. >>>>>> > >> William's >>>>>> > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married >>>>>> > >> Margaret >>>>>> > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) >>>>>> > >> Kinkead, >>>>>> > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, >>>>>> > >> he >>>>>> > >> married >>>>>> > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It >>>>>> > >> should >>>>>> > >> be >>>>>> > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward >>>>>> > >> "William" >>>>>> > >> and >>>>>> > >> very >>>>>> > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with >>>>>> > >> one of >>>>>> > >> the many others. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by >>>>>> > >>> June >>>>>> > >>> Lee >>>>>> > >>> Mefford Kinkead? >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of >>>>>> > >>> John/Margaret >>>>>> > >>> Kinkead >>>>>> > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being >>>>>> > >>> the >>>>>> > >>> spouse >>>>>> > >>> of William. >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> Thanks, >>>>>> > >>> John >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>>> > >>> project, >>>>>> > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> > >>> without >>>>>> > >>> the >>>>>> > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>>> > >> project, >>>>>> > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> www.kincaiddna.org >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> ------------------------------- >>>>>> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> > >> the >>>>>> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>>> > > project, >>>>>> > > including a chart, lineages, and how to 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Dear Kincaid listers, I have just uploaded the first two files of the Kincaids in the 1860 United States Census: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201860%20Census/kincaids%20in%201860%20united%20states%20census%20al-ia.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201860%20Census/kincaids%20in%201860%20united%20states%20census%20ks-ms.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaids%20in%201860%20Census/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/ I hope to have the rest of it done by the end of 2012. Sincerely Norman Kincaide

Library of Virginia Chancery Court Index: http://www.lva.virginia.gov/chancery/ Records from Augusta County are currently being added online. AUGUSTA CO 1770-002 420 Plaintiff(s) DAVID KINKEAD Defendant(s) MATTHEW KINKEAD The date of 1770 matches the date on the deeds of John and Andrew Kincaid. This David Kinkead could not have been Matthew's son David, who was not old enough to go to court. I believe that this was David Kinkead/Winifred, who had a previous connection to this land with John the Clerk. There is nothing in this chancery court record to indicate the reason David filed a lawsuit. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Dennis House Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:13 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer AncestrybyJuneLeeMeffordKinkead Sue, thanks for that. One thing that has always bothered me is where is James of JtW after 1772? And where is the James of JoB at all? I understand the DNA groupings are a tremendous hurdle, but why do we not see two sets of like named sons making records later on? If the James of JtW dies early, it seems more than a coincidence that the James of JoB also leaves no records at all except for the mention in the 1801 will. And who are the parents of either JtW or JoB? Rev. John has no known family, yet he buys over 1000 acres and apparently lives on it for 9 years, until he deeds half to JtW (witnessed maddeningly, by a John and Andrew that have to be older than the 1760s men of the same names). How does a Reverend farm a tract that large without help? Who is on that land prior to Rev. John moving to Chester Co. in 1753? Could JtW be his son? How does JoB fit in if he is different? It is an amazing coincidence that JtW and JoB (each with wife Elizabeth and like named sons) each have tracts on directly opposite sides of Shenandoah Mountain (which separates the Calfpasture and Cowpasture valleys). Both tracts were in Augusta until Bath was formed. (Bath county line runs E-W across Shenandoah mountain, then south through the middle of Walker Mountain). Also maddening is why the Augusta clerks didn't clarify these two families with like named wives and sons, living only a few miles apart? That is, if there really were two such families? Something is still majorly wrong with the pieces as we have fit them. AUG 10/16/1754 DB6-466( ) From Deed Book 6, p466: John Kinkead, clerk of the County of Chester in Pa., to John Kinkead, weaver, of Augusta Co. Va. 5 Shillings, 530 ac, part of 1061 ac conveyed to John Kinkead, clerk, by James Patton & John Lewis, 17 Jul 1745, recorded in Orange, on Calfpasture River; corner Wm. Preston's land. Teste: John Kinkead, Andrew Kinkead. AUG 11/17/1761 C3-379(80 ) Deed Book 10. John ( ) Miller and Morthew ( ) to John Kinkead, L80, 286 acres on Cowpasture. Delivered: Patrick Miller, 4th May, 1771. AUG 10/12/1765 AB-65( ) 'As it has pleased your Worships to send and order to nominate Four Person in the Cow Pasure to mark the line of the Several plntations there, we the subscribers hereof have gone from the Forks at Jackson's River upward to Joseph Mayse, and Thomas Feamster and William Black from there to the head of the waters. There is many places that there is no livers in and others that doth not know their lines. The names of such as have f'd their lines are as follows. James McCay, James Scott.' Feamster and Black marked for themselves and James Mayse, John McCreery, James Knox, James Shaw, George Lewis, James Clements, Hugh Hicklin, Charles Lewis, JOHN KINKEAD, Robert Hall, Boude Estill, William Jackson, and James Bodkin.". In addition, we have the "typo" record which refers to Rev John's and JtW's Calfpasture land but says Cowpasture instead of Calfpasture. Freudian slip? AUG 08/21/1770 C3-546(298)# Tract on Great Cowpasture conveyed to John Kinkead, weaver, by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754, and by said John, weaver, and Elizabeth to Andrew Kinkead. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:22 PM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry byJuneLeeMeffordKinkead > Dennis, The other deeds for the Beverly Manor land and a bit about the > contenders need to be added in order to establish which John and Andrew > are > dealing with each other. . >>From your work. > AUG 8/19/1766 DB 13-34 Robert Kinkead and Anna Helena to Matthew Kinkead, > 72 > pounds, 174 1/2a part of 334a conveyed to Robert by James Bratton, 20 Apr > 1763, on draught of Chrisitian Creek. > > AUG C3-500 08/ /1770 Above 174 1/2a delivered to Thomas Kinkead > > AUG C3-513 08/20/1771 Matthew Kinkead and Elizabeth to John Kinkead his > father, 174 1/2a part of 334a in Beverly Manor on draft of Christian's > Creek, corner Lewis. (No monetary amt in clip) > > AUG C3-518 12/07/1771 John Kinkead and Elizabeth to John Kinkead Jr., 174 > 1/2a etc. (No monetary amt in clip). > > AUG 8/24/1772 DB 21-119 John Kinkead Junr and Ann his wife to Philip > Fogle, > 50 pounds, 174 1/2a etc. witnesses: Louis Bowyer, Christerfer Graham > > This is thought to be John Kinkead and Ann Graham. Her father was John > Graham who held P&L tract 15 on the Great Calf Pasture. (John the Weaver's > land was on P&L tract 18) His 1771 will names wife Elizabeth and children > James, Lanty, John, Ann, Jane, Rebecca, Robert, Betty and Florence The > will > was proved by John Kinkade & John Armstrong > > In my notes I have that John & Ann married about 1769. I do not know where > this came from but it seems reasonable. Daughter Elizabeth m in 1788 Wm > Hopkins Grbr Co., son Lanty m Catherine Scott 1798 Bath Co., daughter > Sally > m James Thompson 1796 Grbr Co, daughter Rebecca m Andrew Kincaid in 1803 > Grbr Co.(son of Andrew Kincaid & Mary), son Matthew m Betsy Scott in 1804 > Bath Co. They may also have had a son Robert m Ann Elliot 1810 but that > has > been contested. John/Ann held land on Jackson River 1774-1784. They owned > land on Indian Creek Grbr Co. 1774-1797 and on Anthony Creek Grbr Co. > 1796-1807. The deed for the last of the Anthony Creek land is the only one > Ann does not sign. All of their children eventually move to the Muddy > Creek > area for at least a little bit of time. Rebecca and her husband Andrew > sold > their Muddy Creek land soon after purchase (from Francis Kincaid, son of > Thomas/Hannah), continuing to live on Anthony Creek until death. > > There is considerable inter-action between John/Ann's children and those > of > Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid whose daughter's married sons of Danial > Hurrah > who held land in Albemarle Co. 1771-1775 near land held by Thomas/Hannah > (son of a John) 1765-1771, Matthew/Elizabeth Kincaid 1765-1773, Jean > (widow > of James Kincaid) 1765-1784, John Kincaid (no wife named) 1764-1768, and > Andrew 1764-1769. Thomas/Hannah bought land at the head of the GCP from > Hannah's father. This land was next to land owned by Andrew/Jean and > William/Eleanor Gay. > > Although we can not get the children of Thomas/Hannah through vetting, > those > who research their family are quite certain of their identity. Almost all, > including the daughters who m Harrah, have sons named Matthew. > > Andrew/Mary did not have a son named Matthew nor did their children name > children Matthew. Andrew/Mary held Little Calf Pasture land 1765-1777, > Jackson River land 1780-1795, near Indian Creek 1796-1798, and Anthony > Creek > 1793-death in 1810. > > So yes I agree, we may have at least 2 sets of siblings named John & > Andrew > but which John Jr is the son of John the Weaver? and which Andrew is > brother > to which John? Their are 2 contenders each of which has circumstantial > evidence for the connection. By the way both John/Ann and John/Margaret > have > a descendent who is A-1a as do Capt. Wm/Eleanor, Andrew/Mary, and > Thomas/Hannah. John of Bath's descendents are Group D. Andrew/Mary and > John/Margaret lines both have the marker four 11. The others do not though > we don't have a DNA line from Andrew/Jean or Matthew/Elizabeth.. > > Sue Liedtke > > > . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by > JuneLeeMeffordKinkead > > >> John points out that in 2004 I posted that I have Andrew/Mary going to >> the >> Beverley Manor after living in Albemarle, buying land from Robert/Anna >> Helena. He also mentions that the Andrew of JtW's Calfpasture land turns >> up >> in 1776 with wife Jean/Jane, not Mary. >> >> >> AUG 06/20/1770 C3-500(406)@ Robert Kinkead and Anna heleney (Belina) ( ) >> to Andrew Kinkead, L- 159 acres in Beverley Manor, part of 334 acres >> conveyed to Robert by James Bratton & Elizabeth, 05/01/1763; corner Lewis >> and Gibson land. ... Delivered: Andrew Kinkead, November, 1771. >> >> AUG 08/ /1772 C1-366(A ) Woods vs. Daniel O'Hara and Andrew >> Kinkead - Debt. On bond dated 1762, 4th August. Andrew of Albemarle >> County. >> >> AUG 05/18/1773 DB21-253( )@ Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife to Alexander >> Gibson L128 10sh, 159 acres, part of 334 acres in Beverley Manor, on some >> drafts of Christian's Creek which was conveyed to said Andrew by Robert >> Kinkead and Belina his wife by deed the 20th day of June 1770. Wit; >> Alexander Thompson, Thomas Tate, ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead, Mary >> Kinkead. >> >> I also show the Lunenburg Andrew Kinkead as "of Augusta" when he sells >> his >> land in 1770. Note, that the Lunenberg John Kinkead came from PA. >> >> It certainly does appear that we have TWO SETS of John/Andrews >> interacting >> with closely held land tracts at the same close dates, and they could be >> sons of an earlier generation of John and Andrews, John (JtW)/Elizabeth >> and >> Andrew Sr./Isabella. >> >> >> >> LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (408) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to William >> Nixon >> ... wit: Samull Moore, John Ritchey, John Kinkad >> >> >> >> LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (410-11) Nathanial Barksdale of Pr. Edward Co. to >> John >> Kinkad of Lunenburg County ... L80 ... 600 acres Lunenburg Co., Horsepen >> Fork Cub Creek, bounded beginning NE from Robert Riche's corner on the >> Ridge between Pr. Edward and Lunenburg Cos, to Wm. Nixon, to old dividing >> line, part of larger tract. corner ... south ... corner Alexander >> Ritchey's line wit: Samuel Moore, John Ritchey, William Nixon, Recorded >> 4 >> Aug 1761 Sig Nathl. Barksdale. >> >> >> LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (245) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew >> Kinkade >> Senior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on >> the >> waters of Cub Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by >> estimation >> 166 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon South ... Thomas >> Alexander's >> line ... north ... Alexander Richey's corner, thence along his line north >> to >> Andrew Kinkade junior's corner. ... to the beginning . ... Signed Robert >> Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas TH >> Harvey. Recorded July 12th 1764 Luninburgh county court. >> >> >> >> LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew >> Kinkade >> Junior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on >> the >> waters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by >> estimation >> 126 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas >> corner >> ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the >> beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John >> Ritchey, >> James Sheaver, Thomas >> >> >> >> CHL 02/19/1770 DB-2 (459) Andrew Kinkade Jr. of Augusta Co. to Samuel >> Scott of Prince Edward Co. L15.5, 126 acres in Charlotte on the waters of >> Cub Creek on a branch called Raccoon. Bounded by the lines of John Thomas >> and Alexander Ritchey. All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Wit: >> James >> Cunningham, Thomas Craig, Joseph Read. Recorded: 03 June 1771 >> >> >> >> CHL 01/05/1771 DB-2 (369) . Andrew Kinkade of Charlotte Co. to Edward >> Sadler of Prince Edward Co. L35, 166 acres in said Charlotte on a branch >> of >> Cub Creek called Raccoon branch. Bounded by the lines of Thos Alexander, >> Andrew Kinkade Jr. . All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Isabel >> Kinkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Charles Hudspeth, Thomas Craig. Recorded: >> 07 >> Jan 1771 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> LeeMeffordKinkead >> >>> John, >>> >>> John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved >>> together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. >>> >>> ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought from >>> Wm. >>> Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 >>> acres >>> lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 >>> acre >>> tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John >>> Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: >>> ... >>> as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) >>> marked corner. >>> >>> ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought >>> from >>> Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 >>> acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a >>> 520 >>> acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. >>> John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as >>> follows: >>> ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed >>> (?) >>> made corner. >>> >>> ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew >>> Kinkead >>> of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 >>> acres >>> more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of >>> Meechim's >>> River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John >>> Robinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew >>> and >>> John Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew >>> Kinkead >>> and Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead >>> >>> ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John >>> Kinkead >>> of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres more >>> or >>> less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's >>> River, >>> part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William >>> Grayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John >>> Kinkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. >>> >>> >>> Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they >>> move >>> together >>> next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of >>> JtW, the >>> evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. >>> >>> Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM >>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>> >>>> >>>> That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of >>>> John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as >>>> four or five. >>>> >>>> The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, >>>> Archibald, William and John. >>>> >>>> James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. >>>> Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's >>>> verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >>>> >>>> Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as the >>>> son of John/Margaret. >>>> Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. >>>> >>>> William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John >>>> Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >>>> John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY >>>> (probably >>>> a second marriage). >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com >>>>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>>>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>>>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW (and >>>>> it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other >>>>> possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted >>>>> DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same >>>>> person. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone disagree with that? >>>>> >>>>> It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret >>>>> could >>>>> NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> John (#241829) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net >>>>> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>>>> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 >>>>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>> > June >>>>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>> > >>>>> > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great >>>>> > Calf >>>>> > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> >>>>> > >>>>> > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. >>>>> > is >>>>> > to >>>>> > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and >>>>> > exactly >>>>> > 1 >>>>> > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to >>>>> > John >>>>> > Jr. >>>>> > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a >>>>> > corner >>>>> > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two >>>>> > of >>>>> > the >>>>> > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. >>>>> > >>>>> > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., and >>>>> > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 >>>>> > acres >>>>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on >>>>> > Calfpasture >>>>> > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. >>>>> > >>>>> > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and >>>>> > Elizabeth ( ) >>>>> > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 >>>>> > acres >>>>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. >>>>> > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. >>>>> > >>>>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to >>>>> > Mathew >>>>> > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's >>>>> > corner. >>>>> > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. >>>>> > >>>>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, >>>>> > 106 >>>>> > acres >>>>> > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's >>>>> > part >>>>> > of >>>>> > said tract. >>>>> > >>>>> > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to be >>>>> > their >>>>> > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still >>>>> > contend >>>>> > is the same man as JtW. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead >>>>> > dated >>>>> > July >>>>> > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in >>>>> > April, >>>>> > 1813. >>>>> > Abstract follows: >>>>> > >>>>> > [excerpt from will] >>>>> > >>>>> > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert >>>>> > and >>>>> > James, >>>>> > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to >>>>> > be >>>>> > their >>>>> > share of my estate, >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >>>>> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM >>>>> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>> > June >>>>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>> > >>>>> > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to >>>>> > > died in >>>>> > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a >>>>> > > grandson >>>>> > > by a >>>>> > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. >>>>> > > William >>>>> > > but >>>>> > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I >>>>> > > think he >>>>> > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land >>>>> > > from >>>>> > > John >>>>> > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears >>>>> > > in 2 >>>>> > > other GCP families. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Sue Liedtke >>>>> > > >>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> >>>>> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>>> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM >>>>> > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>>>> > > Lee >>>>> > > MeffordKinkead >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. >>>>> > >> William's >>>>> > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married >>>>> > >> Margaret >>>>> > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) >>>>> > >> Kinkead, >>>>> > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he >>>>> > >> married >>>>> > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It >>>>> > >> should >>>>> > >> be >>>>> > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" >>>>> > >> and >>>>> > >> very >>>>> > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with >>>>> > >> one of >>>>> > >> the many others. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by >>>>> > >>> June >>>>> > >>> Lee >>>>> > >>> Mefford Kinkead? >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of >>>>> > >>> John/Margaret >>>>> > >>> Kinkead >>>>> > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being >>>>> > >>> the >>>>> > >>> spouse >>>>> > >>> of William. >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> Thanks, >>>>> > >>> John >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>> > >>> project, >>>>> > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> ------------------------------- >>>>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> > >>> the >>>>> > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>> > >> project, >>>>> > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> www.kincaiddna.org >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> ------------------------------- >>>>> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> > >> the >>>>> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>> > > project, >>>>> > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > www.kincaiddna.org >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > ------------------------------- >>>>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>> > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>> > >>>>> > www.kincaiddna.org >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ------------------------------- >>>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>> project, >>>>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>> >>>>> www.kincaiddna.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>> project, >>>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>> >>>> www.kincaiddna.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I was about to comment on this myself. Unfortunately, no one says which genes might be affected. All of them? We only test a tiny subset for DNA ancestry analysis. What intrigues me is that I have a single "odd" difference in one of my markers relative to other C-2 members. Actually, like A, more than one of us do, but we still cluster clearly on the others. Intrigued because my great great grandfather born in 1833 in Adams county Ohio was the last sibbling born out of perhaps as many as 10. That would make his father rather old, no? No way to know, when a single mutation occurred unless we have data from say the 1st or 2nd born male sibbling from the same father. Still, it suggests we have to be skeptical about single differences, especially one's that are supposedly not as stable in general. Larry (Don) Kincaid, Group C-2 On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: > There was an interesting article today on BBC > about the effect the age of the father has on > DNA mutations. See: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19336438 > > A key point was: "The results indicate that a father > aged 20 passes, on average, approximately 25 mutations, > while a 40-year-old father passes on about 65. The study > suggests that for every year a man delays fatherhood, they > risk passing two more mutations on to their child." > > I recently noted this subject to Don and Sue. My > line has perhaps the most mutations in Group A > and this seems to ring true with us. The ages > are as follows: > > gg grandfather > | 49 years old > g grandfather > | 54 years old > grandfather > | 23 years old > father > | 41 years old > me > > Some of my related lines have even older links. > > Best wishes! > > Peter > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- dddddddd

Dennis while it is very confusing to have several John Kincaids married to women named Elizabeth, Elizabeth was a very popular girls name at the time. In fact there are 2 more John/Elizabeth combinations later in Greenbrier Co. Remember when the John/Elizabeth combination led researchers to assume that David's son John = John the Weaver = John of Bath? We know now that David's son John and his wife Elizabeth Logan moved along with David/Winnifred to Washington Co. and than on to KY and is definately not part of the equation so we know that there were at least 2 John/Elizabeth combinations in the same area and that they were not given distinguishing comments by the clerks. That 2 families would give the same names to their sons is also common because of the naming system used at the time. John, Andrew, Robert, James, Thomas and William appear in many Kincaid families which is extremely confusing to those of us who are trying to sort Augusta Co. out. DNA has been a big help and would be even a bigger help if we had verifiable lines down from all the key players. What DNA is telling us in the equation above is that John the Weaver and John of Bath aren't the same man though a line down from JoW's son Matthew would solidly confirm this, we now have 2 candidates for John, son JoW who do not match. You would have a valid argument in that the verifiable lines down from John of Bath all come through son Charles except for the existance of verified lines down from William of Gasconade Co. MO having an identical DNA pattern. This pattern is unique. It does not match any of the other Kincaid lines. Wm of Gasconade is not William, son of Charles because we know without a doubt who Charles' son William was. William of Gasconage must either have been the son of another of John of Bath's sons or from the line of a brother or cousin of some degree to JoB thus confirming the DNA from JoB's proven line is that of JoB. There is no way Charles' lines and WoG's line could have the same DNA except both having a connection of some kind to JoB. As to lack of dual records. There was a definate movement out of Augusta Co. as viable land had been claimed and new land opened to the south and west. Elder sons left the area and sometimes parents followed them. David/Winnifred moved south. Might not John the Weaver also have left the area or even died? It also should be noted that Matthew/Elizabeth, known son of JoW, was in Albemarle Co. 1765-73 on land bordering Thomas/Hannah, son of a John (1765-71). Nearby were a John (no wife given 1764-68) and Andrew/Mary (1764-69), both of whom are potential sons (or nephews?) to JoW. The GCP wasn't as safe as Albemarle Co. The raid at the head of the GCP where Eleanor Gay Kncaid was captured occured in 1764. Many of the those in Augusta Co. records appear to have spent time or actually lived in Alb. Co. during this period. Might not JoW have been one of them? Also note that JoB's known children do not use the name Matthew while that is a common name among the grandchildren of Thomas/Hannah and is the name of a son of John/Ann Graham. These 2 lines (and Matthew/Elizabeth's line) where the name occurs in this area. Because of the closeness of John of Bath's children to other Augusta Co. Kincaids whose DNA does not match, it has occured to me that JoB may have been the son of a Kincaid daughter or adopted and raised by one of the Kincaid families. This would account for the similar naming pattern and the divergent DNA. There are a lot of "ifs" and "assumes" and "appears" in the above but these point out that there are other ways of accounting for your concerns other than equating JoB and JoW which has become problematic given the DNA results. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 6:13 PM Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer AncestrybyJuneLeeMeffordKinkead > Sue, thanks for that. One thing that has always bothered me is where is > James of JtW after 1772? And where is the James of JoB at all? I > understand > the DNA groupings are a tremendous hurdle, but why do we not see two sets > of > like named sons making records later on? If the James of JtW dies early, > it seems more than a coincidence that the James of JoB also leaves no > records at all except for the mention in the 1801 will. > > And who are the parents of either JtW or JoB? Rev. John has no known > family, > yet he buys over 1000 acres and apparently lives on it for 9 years, until > he > deeds half to JtW (witnessed maddeningly, by a John and Andrew that have > to > be older than the 1760s men of the same names). How does a Reverend farm a > tract that large without help? Who is on that land prior to Rev. John > moving > to Chester Co. in 1753? Could JtW be his son? > > How does JoB fit in if he is different? It is an amazing coincidence that > JtW and JoB (each with wife Elizabeth and like named sons) each have > tracts > on directly opposite sides of Shenandoah Mountain (which separates the > Calfpasture and Cowpasture valleys). Both tracts were in Augusta until > Bath > was formed. (Bath county line runs E-W across Shenandoah mountain, then > south through the middle of Walker Mountain). Also maddening is why the > Augusta clerks didn't clarify these two families with like named wives and > sons, living only a few miles apart? That is, if there really were two > such > families? > > Something is still majorly wrong with the pieces as we have fit them. > > > AUG 10/16/1754 DB6-466( ) From Deed Book 6, p466: John Kinkead, clerk of > the County of Chester in Pa., to John Kinkead, weaver, of Augusta Co. Va. > 5 > Shillings, 530 ac, part of 1061 ac conveyed to John Kinkead, clerk, by > James > Patton & John Lewis, 17 Jul 1745, recorded in Orange, on Calfpasture > River; > corner Wm. Preston's land. Teste: John Kinkead, Andrew Kinkead. > > AUG 11/17/1761 C3-379(80 ) Deed Book 10. John ( ) Miller and Morthew ( ) > to John Kinkead, L80, 286 acres on Cowpasture. Delivered: Patrick Miller, > 4th May, 1771. > > > AUG 10/12/1765 AB-65( ) 'As it has pleased your Worships to send and > order > to nominate Four Person in the Cow Pasure to mark the line of the Several > plntations there, we the subscribers hereof have gone from the Forks at > Jackson's River upward to Joseph Mayse, and Thomas Feamster and William > Black from there to the head of the waters. There is many places that > there > is no livers in and others that doth not know their lines. The names of > such > as have f'd their lines are as follows. James McCay, James Scott.' > Feamster and Black marked for themselves and James Mayse, John McCreery, > James Knox, James Shaw, George Lewis, James Clements, > Hugh Hicklin, Charles Lewis, JOHN KINKEAD, Robert Hall, Boude Estill, > William Jackson, and James Bodkin.". > > > In addition, we have the "typo" record which refers to Rev John's and > JtW's > Calfpasture land but says Cowpasture instead of Calfpasture. Freudian > slip? > > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-546(298)# Tract on Great Cowpasture conveyed to John > Kinkead, weaver, by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754, and by said > John, weaver, and Elizabeth to Andrew Kinkead. > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:22 PM > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry > byJuneLeeMeffordKinkead > >> Dennis, The other deeds for the Beverly Manor land and a bit about the >> contenders need to be added in order to establish which John and Andrew >> are >> dealing with each other. . >>>From your work. >> AUG 8/19/1766 DB 13-34 Robert Kinkead and Anna Helena to Matthew Kinkead, >> 72 >> pounds, 174 1/2a part of 334a conveyed to Robert by James Bratton, 20 Apr >> 1763, on draught of Chrisitian Creek. >> >> AUG C3-500 08/ /1770 Above 174 1/2a delivered to Thomas Kinkead >> >> AUG C3-513 08/20/1771 Matthew Kinkead and Elizabeth to John Kinkead his >> father, 174 1/2a part of 334a in Beverly Manor on draft of Christian's >> Creek, corner Lewis. (No monetary amt in clip) >> >> AUG C3-518 12/07/1771 John Kinkead and Elizabeth to John Kinkead Jr., 174 >> 1/2a etc. (No monetary amt in clip). >> >> AUG 8/24/1772 DB 21-119 John Kinkead Junr and Ann his wife to Philip >> Fogle, >> 50 pounds, 174 1/2a etc. witnesses: Louis Bowyer, Christerfer Graham >> >> This is thought to be John Kinkead and Ann Graham. Her father was John >> Graham who held P&L tract 15 on the Great Calf Pasture. (John the >> Weaver's >> land was on P&L tract 18) His 1771 will names wife Elizabeth and children >> James, Lanty, John, Ann, Jane, Rebecca, Robert, Betty and Florence The >> will >> was proved by John Kinkade & John Armstrong >> >> In my notes I have that John & Ann married about 1769. I do not know >> where >> this came from but it seems reasonable. Daughter Elizabeth m in 1788 Wm >> Hopkins Grbr Co., son Lanty m Catherine Scott 1798 Bath Co., daughter >> Sally >> m James Thompson 1796 Grbr Co, daughter Rebecca m Andrew Kincaid in 1803 >> Grbr Co.(son of Andrew Kincaid & Mary), son Matthew m Betsy Scott in 1804 >> Bath Co. They may also have had a son Robert m Ann Elliot 1810 but that >> has >> been contested. John/Ann held land on Jackson River 1774-1784. They owned >> land on Indian Creek Grbr Co. 1774-1797 and on Anthony Creek Grbr Co. >> 1796-1807. The deed for the last of the Anthony Creek land is the only >> one >> Ann does not sign. All of their children eventually move to the Muddy >> Creek >> area for at least a little bit of time. Rebecca and her husband Andrew >> sold >> their Muddy Creek land soon after purchase (from Francis Kincaid, son of >> Thomas/Hannah), continuing to live on Anthony Creek until death. >> >> There is considerable inter-action between John/Ann's children and those >> of >> Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid whose daughter's married sons of Danial >> Hurrah >> who held land in Albemarle Co. 1771-1775 near land held by Thomas/Hannah >> (son of a John) 1765-1771, Matthew/Elizabeth Kincaid 1765-1773, Jean >> (widow >> of James Kincaid) 1765-1784, John Kincaid (no wife named) 1764-1768, and >> Andrew 1764-1769. Thomas/Hannah bought land at the head of the GCP from >> Hannah's father. This land was next to land owned by Andrew/Jean and >> William/Eleanor Gay. >> >> Although we can not get the children of Thomas/Hannah through vetting, >> those >> who research their family are quite certain of their identity. Almost >> all, >> including the daughters who m Harrah, have sons named Matthew. >> >> Andrew/Mary did not have a son named Matthew nor did their children name >> children Matthew. Andrew/Mary held Little Calf Pasture land 1765-1777, >> Jackson River land 1780-1795, near Indian Creek 1796-1798, and Anthony >> Creek >> 1793-death in 1810. >> >> So yes I agree, we may have at least 2 sets of siblings named John & >> Andrew >> but which John Jr is the son of John the Weaver? and which Andrew is >> brother >> to which John? Their are 2 contenders each of which has circumstantial >> evidence for the connection. By the way both John/Ann and John/Margaret >> have >> a descendent who is A-1a as do Capt. Wm/Eleanor, Andrew/Mary, and >> Thomas/Hannah. John of Bath's descendents are Group D. Andrew/Mary and >> John/Margaret lines both have the marker four 11. The others do not >> though >> we don't have a DNA line from Andrew/Jean or Matthew/Elizabeth.. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >> >> . >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >> JuneLeeMeffordKinkead >> >> >>> John points out that in 2004 I posted that I have Andrew/Mary going to >>> the >>> Beverley Manor after living in Albemarle, buying land from Robert/Anna >>> Helena. He also mentions that the Andrew of JtW's Calfpasture land turns >>> up >>> in 1776 with wife Jean/Jane, not Mary. >>> >>> >>> AUG 06/20/1770 C3-500(406)@ Robert Kinkead and Anna heleney (Belina) ( ) >>> to Andrew Kinkead, L- 159 acres in Beverley Manor, part of 334 acres >>> conveyed to Robert by James Bratton & Elizabeth, 05/01/1763; corner >>> Lewis >>> and Gibson land. ... Delivered: Andrew Kinkead, November, 1771. >>> >>> AUG 08/ /1772 C1-366(A ) Woods vs. Daniel O'Hara and Andrew >>> Kinkead - Debt. On bond dated 1762, 4th August. Andrew of Albemarle >>> County. >>> >>> AUG 05/18/1773 DB21-253( )@ Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife to >>> Alexander >>> Gibson L128 10sh, 159 acres, part of 334 acres in Beverley Manor, on >>> some >>> drafts of Christian's Creek which was conveyed to said Andrew by Robert >>> Kinkead and Belina his wife by deed the 20th day of June 1770. Wit; >>> Alexander Thompson, Thomas Tate, ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead, Mary >>> Kinkead. >>> >>> I also show the Lunenburg Andrew Kinkead as "of Augusta" when he sells >>> his >>> land in 1770. Note, that the Lunenberg John Kinkead came from PA. >>> >>> It certainly does appear that we have TWO SETS of John/Andrews >>> interacting >>> with closely held land tracts at the same close dates, and they could be >>> sons of an earlier generation of John and Andrews, John (JtW)/Elizabeth >>> and >>> Andrew Sr./Isabella. >>> >>> >>> >>> LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (408) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to William >>> Nixon >>> ... wit: Samull Moore, John Ritchey, John Kinkad >>> >>> >>> >>> LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (410-11) Nathanial Barksdale of Pr. Edward Co. to >>> John >>> Kinkad of Lunenburg County ... L80 ... 600 acres Lunenburg Co., >>> Horsepen >>> Fork Cub Creek, bounded beginning NE from Robert Riche's corner on the >>> Ridge between Pr. Edward and Lunenburg Cos, to Wm. Nixon, to old >>> dividing >>> line, part of larger tract. corner ... south ... corner Alexander >>> Ritchey's line wit: Samuel Moore, John Ritchey, William Nixon, >>> Recorded >>> 4 >>> Aug 1761 Sig Nathl. Barksdale. >>> >>> >>> LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (245) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew >>> Kinkade >>> Senior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on >>> the >>> waters of Cub Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by >>> estimation >>> 166 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon South ... Thomas >>> Alexander's >>> line ... north ... Alexander Richey's corner, thence along his line >>> north >>> to >>> Andrew Kinkade junior's corner. ... to the beginning . ... Signed Robert >>> Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas TH >>> Harvey. Recorded July 12th 1764 Luninburgh county court. >>> >>> >>> >>> LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew >>> Kinkade >>> Junior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on >>> the >>> waters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by >>> estimation >>> 126 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas >>> corner >>> ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the >>> beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John >>> Ritchey, >>> James Sheaver, Thomas >>> >>> >>> >>> CHL 02/19/1770 DB-2 (459) Andrew Kinkade Jr. of Augusta Co. to Samuel >>> Scott of Prince Edward Co. L15.5, 126 acres in Charlotte on the waters >>> of >>> Cub Creek on a branch called Raccoon. Bounded by the lines of John >>> Thomas >>> and Alexander Ritchey. All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Wit: >>> James >>> Cunningham, Thomas Craig, Joseph Read. Recorded: 03 June 1771 >>> >>> >>> >>> CHL 01/05/1771 DB-2 (369) . Andrew Kinkade of Charlotte Co. to >>> Edward >>> Sadler of Prince Edward Co. L35, 166 acres in said Charlotte on a branch >>> of >>> Cub Creek called Raccoon branch. Bounded by the lines of Thos >>> Alexander, >>> Andrew Kinkade Jr. . All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Isabel >>> Kinkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Charles Hudspeth, Thomas Craig. >>> Recorded: >>> 07 >>> Jan 1771 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM >>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved >>>> together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. >>>> >>>> ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought >>>> from >>>> Wm. >>>> Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 >>>> acres >>>> lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 >>>> acre >>>> tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. >>>> John >>>> Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: >>>> ... >>>> as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) >>>> marked corner. >>>> >>>> ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought >>>> from >>>> Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated >>>> 100 >>>> acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a >>>> 520 >>>> acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto >>>> Mr. >>>> John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as >>>> follows: >>>> ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed >>>> (?) >>>> made corner. >>>> >>>> ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew >>>> Kinkead >>>> of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 >>>> acres >>>> more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of >>>> Meechim's >>>> River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John >>>> Robinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew >>>> and >>>> John Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew >>>> Kinkead >>>> and Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead >>>> >>>> ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John >>>> Kinkead >>>> of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres >>>> more >>>> or >>>> less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's >>>> River, >>>> part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William >>>> Grayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John >>>> Kinkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. >>>> >>>> >>>> Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they >>>> move >>>> together >>>> next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of >>>> JtW, the >>>> evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. >>>> >>>> Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM >>>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>>> >>>>> >>>>> That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of >>>>> John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as >>>>> four or five. >>>>> >>>>> The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, >>>>> Archibald, William and John. >>>>> >>>>> James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. >>>>> Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's >>>>> verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >>>>> >>>>> Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as >>>>> the >>>>> son of John/Margaret. >>>>> Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. >>>>> >>>>> William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John >>>>> Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >>>>> John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY >>>>> (probably >>>>> a second marriage). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com >>>>>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>>>>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>>> June >>>>>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW >>>>>> (and >>>>>> it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other >>>>>> possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted >>>>>> DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same >>>>>> person. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone disagree with that? >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret >>>>>> could >>>>>> NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> John (#241829) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net >>>>>> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>>>>> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>>> > June >>>>>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>>> > >>>>>> > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great >>>>>> > Calf >>>>>> > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. >>>>>> > is >>>>>> > to >>>>>> > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and >>>>>> > exactly >>>>>> > 1 >>>>>> > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to >>>>>> > John >>>>>> > Jr. >>>>>> > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares >>>>>> > a >>>>>> > corner >>>>>> > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two >>>>>> > of >>>>>> > the >>>>>> > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., >>>>>> > and >>>>>> > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 >>>>>> > acres >>>>>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on >>>>>> > Calfpasture >>>>>> > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and >>>>>> > Elizabeth ( ) >>>>>> > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 >>>>>> > acres >>>>>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, >>>>>> > 1754. >>>>>> > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to >>>>>> > Mathew >>>>>> > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said >>>>>> > Andrew's >>>>>> > corner. >>>>>> > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, >>>>>> > 106 >>>>>> > acres >>>>>> > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's >>>>>> > part >>>>>> > of >>>>>> > said tract. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to >>>>>> > be >>>>>> > their >>>>>> > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still >>>>>> > contend >>>>>> > is the same man as JtW. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead >>>>>> > dated >>>>>> > July >>>>>> > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in >>>>>> > April, >>>>>> > 1813. >>>>>> > Abstract follows: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > [excerpt from will] >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert >>>>>> > and >>>>>> > James, >>>>>> > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to >>>>>> > be >>>>>> > their >>>>>> > share of my estate, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >>>>>> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM >>>>>> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>>> > June >>>>>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered >>>>>> > > to >>>>>> > > died in >>>>>> > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a >>>>>> > > grandson >>>>>> > > by a >>>>>> > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. >>>>>> > > William >>>>>> > > but >>>>>> > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I >>>>>> > > think he >>>>>> > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land >>>>>> > > from >>>>>> > > John >>>>>> > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald >>>>>> > > appears >>>>>> > > in 2 >>>>>> > > other GCP families. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Sue Liedtke >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> >>>>>> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM >>>>>> > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>>> > > June >>>>>> > > Lee >>>>>> > > MeffordKinkead >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. >>>>>> > >> William's >>>>>> > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married >>>>>> > >> Margaret >>>>>> > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) >>>>>> > >> Kinkead, >>>>>> > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, >>>>>> > >> he >>>>>> > >> married >>>>>> > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It >>>>>> > >> should >>>>>> > >> be >>>>>> > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward >>>>>> > >> "William" >>>>>> > >> and >>>>>> > >> very >>>>>> > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with >>>>>> > >> one of >>>>>> > >> the many others. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by >>>>>> > >>> June >>>>>> > >>> Lee >>>>>> > >>> Mefford Kinkead? >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of >>>>>> > >>> John/Margaret >>>>>> > >>> Kinkead >>>>>> > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being >>>>>> > >>> the >>>>>> > >>> spouse >>>>>> > >>> of William. >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> Thanks, >>>>>> > >>> John >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>>> > >>> project, >>>>>> > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> >>>>>> > >>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> > >>> without >>>>>> > >>> the >>>>>> > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>>> > >> project, >>>>>> > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> www.kincaiddna.org >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> ------------------------------- >>>>>> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> > >> the >>>>>> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>>> > > project, >>>>>> > > including a chart, lineages, and how to 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Dear James, Thanks. I became privy to this info from your dear mother, Olivia, when she directed me to her work at Knoxville. I to believe that, Richey (Ritchie) was a surmane. One that has a connection to our family. Just haven't been able to prove it, and no one else takes it seriously. Gary -----Original Message----- From: James R. Brisbin <jrbrisbin@cabletv.on.ca> To: kincaid <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 5:54 pm Subject: [KINCAID] Ritchey Kincaid History Dear Gary: Good to hear from you. What follows are my mother's (Olivia Perkins risbin) notes on Ritchey Kincaid. I hope you find them interesting. in kinship; cousin James PB notes: (Ed. Note - the following document is well footnoted as seen but the ootnotes can not be located) Ritchey Kincaid, 6th son of John Kincaid and Nancy Young, his wife, . posthumously, 17 Mar. 1815, at Fincastle, Campbell County, Tenn.; d. 23 eb. 1881, (footnote 1) Clinton, Tenn.: m. (1) at Wells Springs, Campbell ounty, Tenn., on 14 Nov. 1837 (footnote 2), Margaret Maupin, b. 2 Jan. 814, Albemarle County, VA.: d. 22 May 1859, Clinton, Tenn., 2nd daughter of mos Maupin and Sallee Ayres, his wife (footnote 3); m. (2) 19 Oct. 1859, rs. Mahala Jane Brazelton, b. 1823, in Tenn.,; d. 27 May 1890, Clinton, enn. (footnote 2) The name Ritchey was not used by any of the early Kincaid families n Pennsylvania, Virginia or Kentyucky anbd it, like the mane Alvis, is eculiar to the descendants of John and Nancy Young Kincaid and appears requently in later generations. Court records, census returns, deeds and ven his will show that he consistantly used the name Ritchey, never ichard, and his descendants believe that it is a surname, rather than a ickname for Richard. Nancy Young Kincaid, his mother, died 29 Jan, 1822 when Ritchey was even years old. "He was brought up in the family of his uncle, Thomas incaid (footnote 4), who proved to be a very stern taskmaster. He reared he orphan boy rigorously and showed him no tenderness." (footnote 2) Ritchey Kincaid sold his undivided Moiety or one-ninth interest in he 329 1/2 acres of land belonging to his father, John Kincaid, Sen., eceased, to his brother John (2) Kincaid (footnote 4) on 3 March 1838, for 125.00, "to hold the same as tenant in common". (footnote 5) On 28 July 1846, Ritchey Kincaid deeded one acre of another tract of and on the north side of the Powell Valley Road to John Kincaid (footnote ), Isaac C. Petree, James Cooper, Martin B. Moss and James J. Marrs, rustees, "for the purpose of building a meeting house and school and urying ground for the use and benefit of the Methodist EP. Church, S. ..." itnesses were Jesse Williams and J. C. Shumate. The deed was registered 12 ay 1847 by John Grimes, REgister of Campbell County, Tenn. (footnote 6) At a quarterly meeting held in Speedwell Camp Ground on 12 September 846, two committees were appointed to build two churches, one at Fincastle nd one at Big Creek Gap (Later, LaFollette). The committee at Fincastle ere: John Kincaid (footnote 4), Isaac Petree and Ritchey Kincaid. "The incaid brothers gave the location for the church and parsonage, burned the rick on the ground and furnished much of the labor that went into the uilding of this first church which was used for a day school, Sunday school nd for the benefit of the slaves of the community". (footnote 7) Ritchey and Margaret Kincaid removed to Anderson County, Tenn., here he purchased 400 acres on the Clinch River at Island Ford, for 2750.00, from Samuel Smith on 17 Nov, 1847. (footnote 8) Later, they emoved to Clinton where Margaret died 22 May 1859. She was buried in Sunset emetery, Clinton. On 19 October 1859, Ritchey Kincaid married, as his second wife, rs. Mahala Jane Braselton who had four children by her former husband, and o this union four children were born. Records have not survived to show that Ritchey Kincaid ever owned laves or what his position was on the question of States Rights before or uring the War between the States (1861-1865), but the fact that his three lder sons, William Patton, Corporal; Creed Fulton, Private; and John Emory, argaent; served in Co. E. 19th Tennessee Infantry, C.S.A., (footnote 9) ndicates that he may have sympathised with the cause of the Confederacy. A ourth son, Timothy Sullins, served as Sergaent in Co. F. 7th Tenn. Mounted avalry, U.S.A. (footnote 10) So Ritchey experienced the tragedy of having is "house divided", his sons fighting on opposite sides and the greater ragedy of losing two sons in the war. William Patton, his eldest son, was illed at the Battle of Murphreesboro, Tenn., 31 Dec. 1862 and Creed Fulton, is second son, was killed at the Battle of Kenesaw Mountain, near Marietta, A., 27 June 1864. (footnote 11) * * * source OPB) Ritchey Kincaid, the father of these thirteen children, was a well-to-do armer, and it is said that he reared his sons in his river bottoms, eaching them to be honest, industrious and God-fearing men. As each one ame of age, their father gave them their portion of his property. Mr. incaid was a Justice of the Peace for twenty years, County Judge for one erm, he was a Democrat, a Mason, a life-long Southern Methodist; he was a ery devout man, a pillar in the Church all his life, serving as Steward for ome forty years. Truly he was as "one of the Patriarchs." * * * copy of the deed selling Ritchie's 1/9 interest in the 329 1/2 acres elonging to his father to his brother John is in the Ritchie Kincaid file mong the OPB files in the McClung Collection, Knoxville, TN as is a copy of he deed providing land for the building of a church * * * n the Ritchie Kincaid File of the OPB files in the McClung Collection, noxville, TN there is an extensive genealogy dealing with the Maupin Family elated to Ritchie's wife Margaret Maupin. * * * itchie bought 400 acres in Anderson Co., on the Clinch River from Samuel mith for $2750. Anderson Co., Deed Book 1 p. 238. * * * photo of Ritchie Kincaid and his wife Margaret Maupin is in the OPB files f the McClung Collection, Knoxville, TN. * * * itchie's grave in the sunset cemetery, Clinton, TN was crumbling away and a orker was brought in to repair the gravestone. In doing so he miss read the ate and recarved May instead of Mar for the death date. * * * itchie's will is in Will Book 1-A 1859-1889 Pages 87 - 91. Clinton, TN. -----Original Message----- rom: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] On ehalf Of gskin82@aol.com ent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:41 PM o: kincaid@rootsweb.com ubject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June eeMeffordKinkead To All, Has there every been an answer as to why my 4th grandmother, Nancy Young incaid, named her last child, Ritchie (Richey), after her husband, John incaid, s/o Andrew/Mary, died posthumously ? Gary S. Kincaid -----Original Message----- rom: Dennis House <dhouse95@earthlink.net> o: kincaid <kincaid@rootsweb.com> ent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:11 am ubject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June eeMeffordKinkead ohn points out that in 2004 I posted that I have Andrew/Mary going to the verley Manor after living in Albemarle, buying land from Robert/Anna lena. He also mentions that the Andrew of JtW's Calfpasture land turns up 1776 with wife Jean/Jane, not Mary. UG 06/20/1770 C3-500(406)@ Robert Kinkead and Anna heleney (Belina) ( ) o ndrew Kinkead, L- 159 acres in Beverley Manor, part of 334 acres onveyed to obert by James Bratton & Elizabeth, 05/01/1763; corner Lewis nd Gibson and. ... Delivered: Andrew Kinkead, November, 1771. AUG 08/ /1772 C1-366(A Woods vs. Daniel O'Hara and Andrew inkead - Debt. On bond dated 1762, 4th ugust. Andrew of Albemarle County. AUG 05/18/1773 DB21-253( )@ Andrew inkead and Mary his wife to Alexander ibson L128 10sh, 159 acres, part of 34 acres in Beverley Manor, on some rafts of Christian's Creek which was onveyed to said Andrew by Robert inkead and Belina his wife by deed the 0th day of June 1770. Wit; lexander Thompson, Thomas Tate, ... Signed: ndrew Kinkead, Mary Kinkead. I also show the Lunenburg Andrew Kinkead as of Augusta" when he sells his nd in 1770. Note, that the Lunenberg John Kinkead came from PA. It ertainly does appear that we have TWO SETS of John/Andrews interacting th closely held land tracts at the same close dates, and they could be ns of an earlier generation of John and Andrews, John (JtW)/Elizabeth and drew Sr./Isabella. LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (408) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to William Nixon . wit: Samull Moore, John Ritchey, John Kinkad LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (410-11) Nathanial Barksdale of Pr. Edward Co. to John nkad of Lunenburg County ... L80 ... 600 acres Lunenburg Co., Horsepen rk Cub Creek, bounded beginning NE from Robert Riche's corner on the dge between Pr. Edward and Lunenburg Cos, to Wm. Nixon, to old dividing ne, part of larger tract. corner ... south ... corner Alexander tchey's line wit: Samuel Moore, John Ritchey, William Nixon, Recorded 4 g 1761 Sig Nathl. Barksdale. UN 07/11/1764 DB-? (245) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade nior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the ters of Cub Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 6 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon South ... Thomas Alexander's ne ... north ... Alexander Richey's corner, thence along his line north to drew Kinkade junior's corner. ... to the beginning . ... Signed Robert tchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas TH rvey. Recorded July 12th 1764 Luninburgh county court. LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade unior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the ters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 6 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas corner . south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the ginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, mes Sheaver, Thomas CHL 02/19/1770 DB-2 (459) Andrew Kinkade Jr. of Augusta Co. to Samuel ott of Prince Edward Co. L15.5, 126 acres in Charlotte on the waters of b Creek on a branch called Raccoon. Bounded by the lines of John Thomas d Alexander Ritchey. All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Wit: James nningham, Thomas Craig, Joseph Read. Recorded: 03 June 1771 CHL 01/05/1771 DB-2 (369) . Andrew Kinkade of Charlotte Co. to Edward dler of Prince Edward Co. L35, 166 acres in said Charlotte on a branch of b Creek called Raccoon branch. Bounded by the lines of Thos Alexander, drew Kinkade Jr. . All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Isabel nkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Charles Hudspeth, Thomas Craig. Recorded: 07 n 1771 ------------------------------------------------- om: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> nt: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM : <kincaid@rootsweb.com> bject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June eMeffordKinkead John, John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought from Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 acres ying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 acre ract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John obinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: ... s far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) arked corner. ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought from Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 cres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. ohn Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) ade corner. ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew Kinkead of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 acres ore or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John obinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and ohn Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew Kinkead nd Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John Kinkead of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's River, art of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William rayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John inkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they move together next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of JtW, the evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead > That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as four or five. The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, Archibald, William and John. James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY (probably a second marriage). > From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by > June > LeeMeffordKinkead > > > Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW > (and > it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other > possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted > DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same > person. > > Does anyone disagree with that? > > It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret > could > NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. > > Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. > > Thanks, > John (#241829) > > > > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by > > June > > LeeMeffordKinkead > > > > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great > > Calf Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in > > 1785. >> > > > > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. > > is > > to > > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and exactly > > 1 > > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to John > > Jr. > > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a > > corner > > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two of > > the > > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. > > > > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., > > and Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 > > acres conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on > > Calfpasture River; corner Mathew Kinkead. > > > > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and > > Elizabeth ( ) > > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 > > acres > > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. > > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. > > > > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to > > Mathew > > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's > > corner. > > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. > > > > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, > > 106 > > acres > > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's part > > of > > said tract. > > > > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to > > be > > their > > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still > > contend > > is the same man as JtW. > > > > > > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead dated > > July > > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in > > April, > > 1813. > > Abstract follows: > > > > [excerpt from will] > > > > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert > > and > > James, > > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to be > > their > > share of my estate, > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by > > June LeeMeffordKinkead > > > > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered > > > to > > > died in > > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a grandson > > > by a > > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. > > > > > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. > > > William > > > but > > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I > > > think he > > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land > > > from > > > John > > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears > > > in 2 > > > other GCP families. > > > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> > > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM > > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June > > > Lee > > > MeffordKinkead > > > > > > > > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. > > >> William's > > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married > > >> Margaret > > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) > > >> Kinkead, > > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he > > >> married > > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. > > >> > > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It > > >> should > > >> be > > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" > > >> and > > >> very > > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with > > >> one of > > >> the many others. > > >> > > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) > > >> > > >> > > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by > > >>> June > > >>> Lee > > >>> Mefford Kinkead? > > >>> > > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of > > >>> John/Margaret Kinkead of Woodford County was married to an > > >>> Elizabeth. > > >>> > > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being > > >>> the spouse of William. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> John > > >>> > > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > > >>> project, > > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > >>> > > >>> www.kincaiddna.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > > >> project, > > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > >> > > >> www.kincaiddna.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > >> the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > > > project, > > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message or complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, cluding a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: ww.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INCAID-request@rootsweb.com th the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message or complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, ncluding a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes n the subject and the body of the message or complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, ncluding a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Dear Gary: Good to hear from you. What follows are my mother's (Olivia Perkins Brisbin) notes on Ritchey Kincaid. I hope you find them interesting. in kinship; cousin James OPB notes: (Ed. Note - the following document is well footnoted as seen but the footnotes can not be located) Ritchey Kincaid, 6th son of John Kincaid and Nancy Young, his wife, b. posthumously, 17 Mar. 1815, at Fincastle, Campbell County, Tenn.; d. 23 Feb. 1881, (footnote 1) Clinton, Tenn.: m. (1) at Wells Springs, Campbell County, Tenn., on 14 Nov. 1837 (footnote 2), Margaret Maupin, b. 2 Jan. 1814, Albemarle County, VA.: d. 22 May 1859, Clinton, Tenn., 2nd daughter of Amos Maupin and Sallee Ayres, his wife (footnote 3); m. (2) 19 Oct. 1859, Mrs. Mahala Jane Brazelton, b. 1823, in Tenn.,; d. 27 May 1890, Clinton, Tenn. (footnote 2) The name Ritchey was not used by any of the early Kincaid families in Pennsylvania, Virginia or Kentyucky anbd it, like the mane Alvis, is peculiar to the descendants of John and Nancy Young Kincaid and appears frequently in later generations. Court records, census returns, deeds and even his will show that he consistantly used the name Ritchey, never Richard, and his descendants believe that it is a surname, rather than a nickname for Richard. Nancy Young Kincaid, his mother, died 29 Jan, 1822 when Ritchey was seven years old. "He was brought up in the family of his uncle, Thomas Kincaid (footnote 4), who proved to be a very stern taskmaster. He reared the orphan boy rigorously and showed him no tenderness." (footnote 2) Ritchey Kincaid sold his undivided Moiety or one-ninth interest in the 329 1/2 acres of land belonging to his father, John Kincaid, Sen., deceased, to his brother John (2) Kincaid (footnote 4) on 3 March 1838, for $125.00, "to hold the same as tenant in common". (footnote 5) On 28 July 1846, Ritchey Kincaid deeded one acre of another tract of land on the north side of the Powell Valley Road to John Kincaid (footnote 4), Isaac C. Petree, James Cooper, Martin B. Moss and James J. Marrs, Trustees, "for the purpose of building a meeting house and school and burying ground for the use and benefit of the Methodist EP. Church, S. ..." Witnesses were Jesse Williams and J. C. Shumate. The deed was registered 12 May 1847 by John Grimes, REgister of Campbell County, Tenn. (footnote 6) At a quarterly meeting held in Speedwell Camp Ground on 12 September 1846, two committees were appointed to build two churches, one at Fincastle and one at Big Creek Gap (Later, LaFollette). The committee at Fincastle were: John Kincaid (footnote 4), Isaac Petree and Ritchey Kincaid. "The Kincaid brothers gave the location for the church and parsonage, burned the brick on the ground and furnished much of the labor that went into the building of this first church which was used for a day school, Sunday school and for the benefit of the slaves of the community". (footnote 7) Ritchey and Margaret Kincaid removed to Anderson County, Tenn., where he purchased 400 acres on the Clinch River at Island Ford, for $2750.00, from Samuel Smith on 17 Nov, 1847. (footnote 8) Later, they removed to Clinton where Margaret died 22 May 1859. She was buried in Sunset Cemetery, Clinton. On 19 October 1859, Ritchey Kincaid married, as his second wife, Mrs. Mahala Jane Braselton who had four children by her former husband, and to this union four children were born. Records have not survived to show that Ritchey Kincaid ever owned slaves or what his position was on the question of States Rights before or during the War between the States (1861-1865), but the fact that his three elder sons, William Patton, Corporal; Creed Fulton, Private; and John Emory, Sargaent; served in Co. E. 19th Tennessee Infantry, C.S.A., (footnote 9) indicates that he may have sympathised with the cause of the Confederacy. A fourth son, Timothy Sullins, served as Sergaent in Co. F. 7th Tenn. Mounted Cavalry, U.S.A. (footnote 10) So Ritchey experienced the tragedy of having his "house divided", his sons fighting on opposite sides and the greater tragedy of losing two sons in the war. William Patton, his eldest son, was killed at the Battle of Murphreesboro, Tenn., 31 Dec. 1862 and Creed Fulton, his second son, was killed at the Battle of Kenesaw Mountain, near Marietta, GA., 27 June 1864. (footnote 11) * * * (source OPB) "Ritchey Kincaid, the father of these thirteen children, was a well-to-do farmer, and it is said that he reared his sons in his river bottoms, teaching them to be honest, industrious and God-fearing men. As each one came of age, their father gave them their portion of his property. Mr. Kincaid was a Justice of the Peace for twenty years, County Judge for one term, he was a Democrat, a Mason, a life-long Southern Methodist; he was a very devout man, a pillar in the Church all his life, serving as Steward for some forty years. Truly he was as "one of the Patriarchs." * * * A copy of the deed selling Ritchie's 1/9 interest in the 329 1/2 acres belonging to his father to his brother John is in the Ritchie Kincaid file among the OPB files in the McClung Collection, Knoxville, TN as is a copy of the deed providing land for the building of a church * * * In the Ritchie Kincaid File of the OPB files in the McClung Collection, Knoxville, TN there is an extensive genealogy dealing with the Maupin Family related to Ritchie's wife Margaret Maupin. * * * Ritchie bought 400 acres in Anderson Co., on the Clinch River from Samuel Smith for $2750. Anderson Co., Deed Book 1 p. 238. * * * A photo of Ritchie Kincaid and his wife Margaret Maupin is in the OPB files of the McClung Collection, Knoxville, TN. * * * Ritchie's grave in the sunset cemetery, Clinton, TN was crumbling away and a worker was brought in to repair the gravestone. In doing so he miss read the date and recarved May instead of Mar for the death date. * * * Ritchie's will is in Will Book 1-A 1859-1889 Pages 87 - 91. Clinton, TN. -----Original Message----- From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gskin82@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:41 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead To All, Has there every been an answer as to why my 4th grandmother, Nancy Young Kincaid, named her last child, Ritchie (Richey), after her husband, John Kincaid, s/o Andrew/Mary, died posthumously ? Gary S. Kincaid -----Original Message----- From: Dennis House <dhouse95@earthlink.net> To: kincaid <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:11 am Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead John points out that in 2004 I posted that I have Andrew/Mary going to the everley Manor after living in Albemarle, buying land from Robert/Anna elena. He also mentions that the Andrew of JtW's Calfpasture land turns up n 1776 with wife Jean/Jane, not Mary. UG 06/20/1770 C3-500(406)@ Robert Kinkead and Anna heleney (Belina) ( ) o Andrew Kinkead, L- 159 acres in Beverley Manor, part of 334 acres onveyed to Robert by James Bratton & Elizabeth, 05/01/1763; corner Lewis nd Gibson land. ... Delivered: Andrew Kinkead, November, 1771. AUG 08/ /1772 C1-366(A ) Woods vs. Daniel O'Hara and Andrew inkead - Debt. On bond dated 1762, 4th August. Andrew of Albemarle County. AUG 05/18/1773 DB21-253( )@ Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife to Alexander ibson L128 10sh, 159 acres, part of 334 acres in Beverley Manor, on some rafts of Christian's Creek which was conveyed to said Andrew by Robert inkead and Belina his wife by deed the 20th day of June 1770. Wit; lexander Thompson, Thomas Tate, ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead, Mary Kinkead. I also show the Lunenburg Andrew Kinkead as "of Augusta" when he sells his and in 1770. Note, that the Lunenberg John Kinkead came from PA. It certainly does appear that we have TWO SETS of John/Andrews interacting ith closely held land tracts at the same close dates, and they could be ons of an earlier generation of John and Andrews, John (JtW)/Elizabeth and ndrew Sr./Isabella. LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (408) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to William Nixon .. wit: Samull Moore, John Ritchey, John Kinkad LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (410-11) Nathanial Barksdale of Pr. Edward Co. to John inkad of Lunenburg County ... L80 ... 600 acres Lunenburg Co., Horsepen ork Cub Creek, bounded beginning NE from Robert Riche's corner on the idge between Pr. Edward and Lunenburg Cos, to Wm. Nixon, to old dividing ine, part of larger tract. corner ... south ... corner Alexander itchey's line wit: Samuel Moore, John Ritchey, William Nixon, Recorded 4 ug 1761 Sig Nathl. Barksdale. UN 07/11/1764 DB-? (245) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade enior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the aters of Cub Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 66 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon South ... Thomas Alexander's ine ... north ... Alexander Richey's corner, thence along his line north to ndrew Kinkade junior's corner. ... to the beginning . ... Signed Robert itchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas TH arvey. Recorded July 12th 1764 Luninburgh county court. LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade unior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the aters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 26 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas corner .. south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the eginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, ames Sheaver, Thomas CHL 02/19/1770 DB-2 (459) Andrew Kinkade Jr. of Augusta Co. to Samuel cott of Prince Edward Co. L15.5, 126 acres in Charlotte on the waters of ub Creek on a branch called Raccoon. Bounded by the lines of John Thomas nd Alexander Ritchey. All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Wit: James unningham, Thomas Craig, Joseph Read. Recorded: 03 June 1771 CHL 01/05/1771 DB-2 (369) . Andrew Kinkade of Charlotte Co. to Edward adler of Prince Edward Co. L35, 166 acres in said Charlotte on a branch of ub Creek called Raccoon branch. Bounded by the lines of Thos Alexander, ndrew Kinkade Jr. . All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Isabel inkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Charles Hudspeth, Thomas Craig. Recorded: 07 an 1771 ------------------------------------------------- rom: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> ent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM o: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> ubject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June eeMeffordKinkead > John, John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought from Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) marked corner. ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought from Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) made corner. ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew Kinkead of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 acres more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John Robinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John Kinkead of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William Grayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John Kinkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they move together next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of JtW, the evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead > > That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of > John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as > four or five. > > The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, > Archibald, William and John. > > James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. > Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's > verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. > > Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as > the > son of John/Margaret. > Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. > > William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John > Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. > John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY (probably > a second marriage). > > >> From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >> June >> LeeMeffordKinkead >> >> >> Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW >> (and >> it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other >> possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted >> DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same >> person. >> >> Does anyone disagree with that? >> >> It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret >> could >> NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. >> >> Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. >> >> Thanks, >> John (#241829) >> >> >> > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net >> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 >> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >> > June >> > LeeMeffordKinkead >> > >> > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great >> > Calf Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in >> > 1785. >> >> > >> > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. >> > is >> > to >> > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and exactly >> > 1 >> > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to John >> > Jr. >> > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a >> > corner >> > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two of >> > the >> > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. >> > >> > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., >> > and Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 >> > acres conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on >> > Calfpasture River; corner Mathew Kinkead. >> > >> > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and >> > Elizabeth ( ) >> > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 >> > acres >> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. >> > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. >> > >> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to >> > Mathew >> > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's >> > corner. >> > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. >> > >> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, >> > 106 >> > acres >> > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's part >> > of >> > said tract. >> > >> > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to >> > be >> > their >> > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still >> > contend >> > is the same man as JtW. >> > >> > >> > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead dated >> > July >> > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in >> > April, >> > 1813. >> > Abstract follows: >> > >> > [excerpt from will] >> > >> > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert >> > and >> > James, >> > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to be >> > their >> > share of my estate, >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM >> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >> > June LeeMeffordKinkead >> > >> > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered >> > > to >> > > died in >> > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a grandson >> > > by a >> > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. >> > > >> > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. >> > > William >> > > but >> > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I >> > > think he >> > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land >> > > from >> > > John >> > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears >> > > in 2 >> > > other GCP families. >> > > >> > > Sue Liedtke >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> >> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM >> > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> > > Lee >> > > MeffordKinkead >> > > >> > > >> > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. >> > >> William's >> > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married >> > >> Margaret >> > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) >> > >> Kinkead, >> > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he >> > >> married >> > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >> > >> >> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It >> > >> should >> > >> be >> > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" >> > >> and >> > >> very >> > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with >> > >> one of >> > >> the many others. >> > >> >> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by >> > >>> June >> > >>> Lee >> > >>> Mefford Kinkead? >> > >>> >> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of >> > >>> John/Margaret Kinkead of Woodford County was married to an >> > >>> Elizabeth. >> > >>> >> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being >> > >>> the spouse of William. >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks, >> > >>> John >> > >>> >> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > >>> project, >> > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > >>> >> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> ------------------------------- >> > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > >> project, >> > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > >> >> > >> www.kincaiddna.org >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------- >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > >> the >> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > > project, >> > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > > >> > > www.kincaiddna.org >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > >> > www.kincaiddna.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, ncluding a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To All, Has there every been an answer as to why my 4th grandmother, Nancy Young Kincaid, named her last child, Ritchie (Richey), after her husband, John Kincaid, s/o Andrew/Mary, died posthumously ? Gary S. Kincaid -----Original Message----- From: Dennis House <dhouse95@earthlink.net> To: kincaid <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:11 am Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead John points out that in 2004 I posted that I have Andrew/Mary going to the everley Manor after living in Albemarle, buying land from Robert/Anna elena. He also mentions that the Andrew of JtW's Calfpasture land turns up n 1776 with wife Jean/Jane, not Mary. UG 06/20/1770 C3-500(406)@ Robert Kinkead and Anna heleney (Belina) ( ) o Andrew Kinkead, L- 159 acres in Beverley Manor, part of 334 acres onveyed to Robert by James Bratton & Elizabeth, 05/01/1763; corner Lewis nd Gibson land. ... Delivered: Andrew Kinkead, November, 1771. AUG 08/ /1772 C1-366(A ) Woods vs. Daniel O'Hara and Andrew inkead - Debt. On bond dated 1762, 4th August. Andrew of Albemarle County. AUG 05/18/1773 DB21-253( )@ Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife to Alexander ibson L128 10sh, 159 acres, part of 334 acres in Beverley Manor, on some rafts of Christian's Creek which was conveyed to said Andrew by Robert inkead and Belina his wife by deed the 20th day of June 1770. Wit; lexander Thompson, Thomas Tate, ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead, Mary Kinkead. I also show the Lunenburg Andrew Kinkead as "of Augusta" when he sells his and in 1770. Note, that the Lunenberg John Kinkead came from PA. It certainly does appear that we have TWO SETS of John/Andrews interacting ith closely held land tracts at the same close dates, and they could be ons of an earlier generation of John and Andrews, John (JtW)/Elizabeth and ndrew Sr./Isabella. LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (408) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to William Nixon .. wit: Samull Moore, John Ritchey, John Kinkad LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (410-11) Nathanial Barksdale of Pr. Edward Co. to John inkad of Lunenburg County ... L80 ... 600 acres Lunenburg Co., Horsepen ork Cub Creek, bounded beginning NE from Robert Riche's corner on the idge between Pr. Edward and Lunenburg Cos, to Wm. Nixon, to old dividing ine, part of larger tract. corner ... south ... corner Alexander itchey's line wit: Samuel Moore, John Ritchey, William Nixon, Recorded 4 ug 1761 Sig Nathl. Barksdale. UN 07/11/1764 DB-? (245) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade enior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the aters of Cub Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 66 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon South ... Thomas Alexander's ine ... north ... Alexander Richey's corner, thence along his line north to ndrew Kinkade junior's corner. ... to the beginning . ... Signed Robert itchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas TH arvey. Recorded July 12th 1764 Luninburgh county court. LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade unior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the aters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 26 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas corner .. south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the eginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, ames Sheaver, Thomas CHL 02/19/1770 DB-2 (459) Andrew Kinkade Jr. of Augusta Co. to Samuel cott of Prince Edward Co. L15.5, 126 acres in Charlotte on the waters of ub Creek on a branch called Raccoon. Bounded by the lines of John Thomas nd Alexander Ritchey. All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Wit: James unningham, Thomas Craig, Joseph Read. Recorded: 03 June 1771 CHL 01/05/1771 DB-2 (369) . Andrew Kinkade of Charlotte Co. to Edward adler of Prince Edward Co. L35, 166 acres in said Charlotte on a branch of ub Creek called Raccoon branch. Bounded by the lines of Thos Alexander, ndrew Kinkade Jr. . All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Isabel inkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Charles Hudspeth, Thomas Craig. Recorded: 07 an 1771 ------------------------------------------------- rom: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> ent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM o: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> ubject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June eeMeffordKinkead > John, John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought from Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) marked corner. ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought from Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) made corner. ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew Kinkead of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 acres more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John Robinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John Kinkead of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William Grayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John Kinkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they move together next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of JtW, the evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead > > That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of > John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as > four or five. > > The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, > Archibald, William and John. > > James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. > Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's > verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. > > Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as the > son of John/Margaret. > Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. > > William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John > Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. > John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY (probably > a second marriage). > > >> From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> LeeMeffordKinkead >> >> >> Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW (and >> it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other >> possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted >> DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same >> person. >> >> Does anyone disagree with that? >> >> It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret could >> NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. >> >> Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. >> >> Thanks, >> John (#241829) >> >> >> > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net >> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 >> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> > LeeMeffordKinkead >> > >> > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf >> > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> >> > >> > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. is >> > to >> > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and exactly >> > 1 >> > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to John >> > Jr. >> > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a >> > corner >> > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two of >> > the >> > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. >> > >> > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., and >> > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 acres >> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on >> > Calfpasture >> > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. >> > >> > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and >> > Elizabeth ( ) >> > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 >> > acres >> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. >> > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. >> > >> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to >> > Mathew >> > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's >> > corner. >> > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. >> > >> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, 106 >> > acres >> > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's part >> > of >> > said tract. >> > >> > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to be >> > their >> > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still >> > contend >> > is the same man as JtW. >> > >> > >> > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead dated >> > July >> > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in April, >> > 1813. >> > Abstract follows: >> > >> > [excerpt from will] >> > >> > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert and >> > James, >> > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to be >> > their >> > share of my estate, >> > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM >> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> > LeeMeffordKinkead >> > >> > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to >> > > died in >> > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a grandson >> > > by a >> > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. >> > > >> > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. >> > > William >> > > but >> > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I >> > > think he >> > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land >> > > from >> > > John >> > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears >> > > in 2 >> > > other GCP families. >> > > >> > > Sue Liedtke >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> >> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM >> > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> > > Lee >> > > MeffordKinkead >> > > >> > > >> > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. >> > >> William's >> > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married >> > >> Margaret >> > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) >> > >> Kinkead, >> > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he >> > >> married >> > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >> > >> >> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It should >> > >> be >> > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" >> > >> and >> > >> very >> > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with >> > >> one of >> > >> the many others. >> > >> >> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June >> > >>> Lee >> > >>> Mefford Kinkead? >> > >>> >> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret >> > >>> Kinkead >> > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >> > >>> >> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the >> > >>> spouse >> > >>> of William. >> > >>> >> > >>> Thanks, >> > >>> John >> > >>> >> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > >>> project, >> > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > >>> >> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> ------------------------------- >> > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > >>> the >> > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > >> project, >> > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > >> >> > >> www.kincaiddna.org >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------- >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > >> the >> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > > project, >> > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > > >> > > www.kincaiddna.org >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >> > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> > >> > www.kincaiddna.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, ncluding a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

There was an interesting article today on BBC about the effect the age of the father has on DNA mutations. See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19336438 A key point was: "The results indicate that a father aged 20 passes, on average, approximately 25 mutations, while a 40-year-old father passes on about 65. The study suggests that for every year a man delays fatherhood, they risk passing two more mutations on to their child." I recently noted this subject to Don and Sue. My line has perhaps the most mutations in Group A and this seems to ring true with us. The ages are as follows: gg grandfather | 49 years old g grandfather | 54 years old grandfather | 23 years old father | 41 years old me Some of my related lines have even older links. Best wishes! Peter

Sue, thanks for that. One thing that has always bothered me is where is James of JtW after 1772? And where is the James of JoB at all? I understand the DNA groupings are a tremendous hurdle, but why do we not see two sets of like named sons making records later on? If the James of JtW dies early, it seems more than a coincidence that the James of JoB also leaves no records at all except for the mention in the 1801 will. And who are the parents of either JtW or JoB? Rev. John has no known family, yet he buys over 1000 acres and apparently lives on it for 9 years, until he deeds half to JtW (witnessed maddeningly, by a John and Andrew that have to be older than the 1760s men of the same names). How does a Reverend farm a tract that large without help? Who is on that land prior to Rev. John moving to Chester Co. in 1753? Could JtW be his son? How does JoB fit in if he is different? It is an amazing coincidence that JtW and JoB (each with wife Elizabeth and like named sons) each have tracts on directly opposite sides of Shenandoah Mountain (which separates the Calfpasture and Cowpasture valleys). Both tracts were in Augusta until Bath was formed. (Bath county line runs E-W across Shenandoah mountain, then south through the middle of Walker Mountain). Also maddening is why the Augusta clerks didn't clarify these two families with like named wives and sons, living only a few miles apart? That is, if there really were two such families? Something is still majorly wrong with the pieces as we have fit them. AUG 10/16/1754 DB6-466( ) From Deed Book 6, p466: John Kinkead, clerk of the County of Chester in Pa., to John Kinkead, weaver, of Augusta Co. Va. 5 Shillings, 530 ac, part of 1061 ac conveyed to John Kinkead, clerk, by James Patton & John Lewis, 17 Jul 1745, recorded in Orange, on Calfpasture River; corner Wm. Preston's land. Teste: John Kinkead, Andrew Kinkead. AUG 11/17/1761 C3-379(80 ) Deed Book 10. John ( ) Miller and Morthew ( ) to John Kinkead, L80, 286 acres on Cowpasture. Delivered: Patrick Miller, 4th May, 1771. AUG 10/12/1765 AB-65( ) 'As it has pleased your Worships to send and order to nominate Four Person in the Cow Pasure to mark the line of the Several plntations there, we the subscribers hereof have gone from the Forks at Jackson's River upward to Joseph Mayse, and Thomas Feamster and William Black from there to the head of the waters. There is many places that there is no livers in and others that doth not know their lines. The names of such as have f'd their lines are as follows. James McCay, James Scott.' Feamster and Black marked for themselves and James Mayse, John McCreery, James Knox, James Shaw, George Lewis, James Clements, Hugh Hicklin, Charles Lewis, JOHN KINKEAD, Robert Hall, Boude Estill, William Jackson, and James Bodkin.". In addition, we have the "typo" record which refers to Rev John's and JtW's Calfpasture land but says Cowpasture instead of Calfpasture. Freudian slip? AUG 08/21/1770 C3-546(298)# Tract on Great Cowpasture conveyed to John Kinkead, weaver, by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754, and by said John, weaver, and Elizabeth to Andrew Kinkead. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:22 PM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry byJuneLeeMeffordKinkead > Dennis, The other deeds for the Beverly Manor land and a bit about the > contenders need to be added in order to establish which John and Andrew > are > dealing with each other. . >>From your work. > AUG 8/19/1766 DB 13-34 Robert Kinkead and Anna Helena to Matthew Kinkead, > 72 > pounds, 174 1/2a part of 334a conveyed to Robert by James Bratton, 20 Apr > 1763, on draught of Chrisitian Creek. > > AUG C3-500 08/ /1770 Above 174 1/2a delivered to Thomas Kinkead > > AUG C3-513 08/20/1771 Matthew Kinkead and Elizabeth to John Kinkead his > father, 174 1/2a part of 334a in Beverly Manor on draft of Christian's > Creek, corner Lewis. (No monetary amt in clip) > > AUG C3-518 12/07/1771 John Kinkead and Elizabeth to John Kinkead Jr., 174 > 1/2a etc. (No monetary amt in clip). > > AUG 8/24/1772 DB 21-119 John Kinkead Junr and Ann his wife to Philip > Fogle, > 50 pounds, 174 1/2a etc. witnesses: Louis Bowyer, Christerfer Graham > > This is thought to be John Kinkead and Ann Graham. Her father was John > Graham who held P&L tract 15 on the Great Calf Pasture. (John the Weaver's > land was on P&L tract 18) His 1771 will names wife Elizabeth and children > James, Lanty, John, Ann, Jane, Rebecca, Robert, Betty and Florence The > will > was proved by John Kinkade & John Armstrong > > In my notes I have that John & Ann married about 1769. I do not know where > this came from but it seems reasonable. Daughter Elizabeth m in 1788 Wm > Hopkins Grbr Co., son Lanty m Catherine Scott 1798 Bath Co., daughter > Sally > m James Thompson 1796 Grbr Co, daughter Rebecca m Andrew Kincaid in 1803 > Grbr Co.(son of Andrew Kincaid & Mary), son Matthew m Betsy Scott in 1804 > Bath Co. They may also have had a son Robert m Ann Elliot 1810 but that > has > been contested. John/Ann held land on Jackson River 1774-1784. They owned > land on Indian Creek Grbr Co. 1774-1797 and on Anthony Creek Grbr Co. > 1796-1807. The deed for the last of the Anthony Creek land is the only one > Ann does not sign. All of their children eventually move to the Muddy > Creek > area for at least a little bit of time. Rebecca and her husband Andrew > sold > their Muddy Creek land soon after purchase (from Francis Kincaid, son of > Thomas/Hannah), continuing to live on Anthony Creek until death. > > There is considerable inter-action between John/Ann's children and those > of > Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid whose daughter's married sons of Danial > Hurrah > who held land in Albemarle Co. 1771-1775 near land held by Thomas/Hannah > (son of a John) 1765-1771, Matthew/Elizabeth Kincaid 1765-1773, Jean > (widow > of James Kincaid) 1765-1784, John Kincaid (no wife named) 1764-1768, and > Andrew 1764-1769. Thomas/Hannah bought land at the head of the GCP from > Hannah's father. This land was next to land owned by Andrew/Jean and > William/Eleanor Gay. > > Although we can not get the children of Thomas/Hannah through vetting, > those > who research their family are quite certain of their identity. Almost all, > including the daughters who m Harrah, have sons named Matthew. > > Andrew/Mary did not have a son named Matthew nor did their children name > children Matthew. Andrew/Mary held Little Calf Pasture land 1765-1777, > Jackson River land 1780-1795, near Indian Creek 1796-1798, and Anthony > Creek > 1793-death in 1810. > > So yes I agree, we may have at least 2 sets of siblings named John & > Andrew > but which John Jr is the son of John the Weaver? and which Andrew is > brother > to which John? Their are 2 contenders each of which has circumstantial > evidence for the connection. By the way both John/Ann and John/Margaret > have > a descendent who is A-1a as do Capt. Wm/Eleanor, Andrew/Mary, and > Thomas/Hannah. John of Bath's descendents are Group D. Andrew/Mary and > John/Margaret lines both have the marker four 11. The others do not though > we don't have a DNA line from Andrew/Jean or Matthew/Elizabeth.. > > Sue Liedtke > > > . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by > JuneLeeMeffordKinkead > > >> John points out that in 2004 I posted that I have Andrew/Mary going to >> the >> Beverley Manor after living in Albemarle, buying land from Robert/Anna >> Helena. He also mentions that the Andrew of JtW's Calfpasture land turns >> up >> in 1776 with wife Jean/Jane, not Mary. >> >> >> AUG 06/20/1770 C3-500(406)@ Robert Kinkead and Anna heleney (Belina) ( ) >> to Andrew Kinkead, L- 159 acres in Beverley Manor, part of 334 acres >> conveyed to Robert by James Bratton & Elizabeth, 05/01/1763; corner Lewis >> and Gibson land. ... Delivered: Andrew Kinkead, November, 1771. >> >> AUG 08/ /1772 C1-366(A ) Woods vs. Daniel O'Hara and Andrew >> Kinkead - Debt. On bond dated 1762, 4th August. Andrew of Albemarle >> County. >> >> AUG 05/18/1773 DB21-253( )@ Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife to Alexander >> Gibson L128 10sh, 159 acres, part of 334 acres in Beverley Manor, on some >> drafts of Christian's Creek which was conveyed to said Andrew by Robert >> Kinkead and Belina his wife by deed the 20th day of June 1770. Wit; >> Alexander Thompson, Thomas Tate, ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead, Mary >> Kinkead. >> >> I also show the Lunenburg Andrew Kinkead as "of Augusta" when he sells >> his >> land in 1770. Note, that the Lunenberg John Kinkead came from PA. >> >> It certainly does appear that we have TWO SETS of John/Andrews >> interacting >> with closely held land tracts at the same close dates, and they could be >> sons of an earlier generation of John and Andrews, John (JtW)/Elizabeth >> and >> Andrew Sr./Isabella. >> >> >> >> LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (408) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to William >> Nixon >> ... wit: Samull Moore, John Ritchey, John Kinkad >> >> >> >> LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (410-11) Nathanial Barksdale of Pr. Edward Co. to >> John >> Kinkad of Lunenburg County ... L80 ... 600 acres Lunenburg Co., Horsepen >> Fork Cub Creek, bounded beginning NE from Robert Riche's corner on the >> Ridge between Pr. Edward and Lunenburg Cos, to Wm. Nixon, to old dividing >> line, part of larger tract. corner ... south ... corner Alexander >> Ritchey's line wit: Samuel Moore, John Ritchey, William Nixon, Recorded >> 4 >> Aug 1761 Sig Nathl. Barksdale. >> >> >> LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (245) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew >> Kinkade >> Senior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on >> the >> waters of Cub Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by >> estimation >> 166 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon South ... Thomas >> Alexander's >> line ... north ... Alexander Richey's corner, thence along his line north >> to >> Andrew Kinkade junior's corner. ... to the beginning . ... Signed Robert >> Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas TH >> Harvey. Recorded July 12th 1764 Luninburgh county court. >> >> >> >> LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew >> Kinkade >> Junior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on >> the >> waters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by >> estimation >> 126 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas >> corner >> ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the >> beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John >> Ritchey, >> James Sheaver, Thomas >> >> >> >> CHL 02/19/1770 DB-2 (459) Andrew Kinkade Jr. of Augusta Co. to Samuel >> Scott of Prince Edward Co. L15.5, 126 acres in Charlotte on the waters of >> Cub Creek on a branch called Raccoon. Bounded by the lines of John Thomas >> and Alexander Ritchey. All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Wit: >> James >> Cunningham, Thomas Craig, Joseph Read. Recorded: 03 June 1771 >> >> >> >> CHL 01/05/1771 DB-2 (369) . Andrew Kinkade of Charlotte Co. to Edward >> Sadler of Prince Edward Co. L35, 166 acres in said Charlotte on a branch >> of >> Cub Creek called Raccoon branch. Bounded by the lines of Thos Alexander, >> Andrew Kinkade Jr. . All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Isabel >> Kinkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Charles Hudspeth, Thomas Craig. Recorded: >> 07 >> Jan 1771 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> LeeMeffordKinkead >> >>> John, >>> >>> John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved >>> together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. >>> >>> ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought from >>> Wm. >>> Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 >>> acres >>> lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 >>> acre >>> tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John >>> Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: >>> ... >>> as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) >>> marked corner. >>> >>> ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought >>> from >>> Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 >>> acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a >>> 520 >>> acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. >>> John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as >>> follows: >>> ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed >>> (?) >>> made corner. >>> >>> ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew >>> Kinkead >>> of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 >>> acres >>> more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of >>> Meechim's >>> River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John >>> Robinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew >>> and >>> John Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew >>> Kinkead >>> and Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead >>> >>> ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John >>> Kinkead >>> of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres more >>> or >>> less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's >>> River, >>> part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William >>> Grayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John >>> Kinkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. >>> >>> >>> Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they >>> move >>> together >>> next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of >>> JtW, the >>> evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. >>> >>> Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM >>> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>> >>>> >>>> That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of >>>> John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as >>>> four or five. >>>> >>>> The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, >>>> Archibald, William and John. >>>> >>>> James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. >>>> Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's >>>> verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >>>> >>>> Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as the >>>> son of John/Margaret. >>>> Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. >>>> >>>> William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John >>>> Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >>>> John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY >>>> (probably >>>> a second marriage). >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com >>>>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>>>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>>>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW (and >>>>> it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other >>>>> possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted >>>>> DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same >>>>> person. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone disagree with that? >>>>> >>>>> It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret >>>>> could >>>>> NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> John (#241829) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net >>>>> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>>>> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 >>>>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>> > June >>>>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>> > >>>>> > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great >>>>> > Calf >>>>> > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> >>>>> > >>>>> > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. >>>>> > is >>>>> > to >>>>> > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and >>>>> > exactly >>>>> > 1 >>>>> > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to >>>>> > John >>>>> > Jr. >>>>> > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a >>>>> > corner >>>>> > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two >>>>> > of >>>>> > the >>>>> > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. >>>>> > >>>>> > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., and >>>>> > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 >>>>> > acres >>>>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on >>>>> > Calfpasture >>>>> > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. >>>>> > >>>>> > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and >>>>> > Elizabeth ( ) >>>>> > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 >>>>> > acres >>>>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. >>>>> > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. >>>>> > >>>>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to >>>>> > Mathew >>>>> > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's >>>>> > corner. >>>>> > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. >>>>> > >>>>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, >>>>> > 106 >>>>> > acres >>>>> > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's >>>>> > part >>>>> > of >>>>> > said tract. >>>>> > >>>>> > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to be >>>>> > their >>>>> > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still >>>>> > contend >>>>> > is the same man as JtW. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead >>>>> > dated >>>>> > July >>>>> > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in >>>>> > April, >>>>> > 1813. >>>>> > Abstract follows: >>>>> > >>>>> > [excerpt from will] >>>>> > >>>>> > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert >>>>> > and >>>>> > James, >>>>> > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to >>>>> > be >>>>> > their >>>>> > share of my estate, >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >>>>> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM >>>>> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>>> > June >>>>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>>>> > >>>>> > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to >>>>> > > died in >>>>> > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a >>>>> > > grandson >>>>> > > by a >>>>> > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. >>>>> > > William >>>>> > > but >>>>> > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I >>>>> > > think he >>>>> > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land >>>>> > > from >>>>> > > John >>>>> > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears >>>>> > > in 2 >>>>> > > other GCP families. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Sue Liedtke >>>>> > > >>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> >>>>> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>>> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM >>>>> > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>>>> > > Lee >>>>> > > MeffordKinkead >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. >>>>> > >> William's >>>>> > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married >>>>> > >> Margaret >>>>> > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) >>>>> > >> Kinkead, >>>>> > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he >>>>> > >> married >>>>> > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It >>>>> > >> should >>>>> > >> be >>>>> > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" >>>>> > >> and >>>>> > >> very >>>>> > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with >>>>> > >> one of >>>>> > >> the many others. >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by >>>>> > >>> June >>>>> > >>> Lee >>>>> > >>> Mefford Kinkead? >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of >>>>> > >>> John/Margaret >>>>> > >>> Kinkead >>>>> > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being >>>>> > >>> the >>>>> > >>> spouse >>>>> > >>> of William. >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> Thanks, >>>>> > >>> John >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>> > >>> project, >>>>> > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> ------------------------------- >>>>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> > >>> the >>>>> > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>> > >> project, >>>>> > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> www.kincaiddna.org >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> ------------------------------- >>>>> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> > >> the >>>>> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> > >> >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>> > > project, >>>>> > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>> > > >>>>> > > www.kincaiddna.org >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > ------------------------------- >>>>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>> > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>> > >>>>> > www.kincaiddna.org >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ------------------------------- >>>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>>> project, >>>>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>>> >>>>> www.kincaiddna.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>> project, >>>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>> >>>> www.kincaiddna.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanknyou for thinking of us.  That was very thoughtful.   I would have used better grammer and puncuation on my phone had I known you were going to go public...: )    we are evacuated but safe.  Bad place for people with health issues.  We are grateful to still have out home,  alot aren't this fortunate.   ________________________________ From: Don W Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Fires in N. Cal. all around David and Deanne Kincaid # 28835 After seeing on the news about the fires in Northern California we emailed David and Deanne Kincaid and she replied: They are all around us.. headed towards my summer cabin but I dont think they would allow the area to burn.  Pretty smokey here.. alot of people wearing masks...  Not as bad as the 165 fires we had in 2009 though.  Weird to see this on Good morning America! Thank you for asking about us.  If you google earth Redding you can see it all.  Lassen Park is in a bad way. We wish the best for David and Deanne and all the other folks near the fires!   For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dennis, The other deeds for the Beverly Manor land and a bit about the contenders need to be added in order to establish which John and Andrew are dealing with each other. . >From your work. AUG 8/19/1766 DB 13-34 Robert Kinkead and Anna Helena to Matthew Kinkead, 72 pounds, 174 1/2a part of 334a conveyed to Robert by James Bratton, 20 Apr 1763, on draught of Chrisitian Creek. AUG C3-500 08/ /1770 Above 174 1/2a delivered to Thomas Kinkead AUG C3-513 08/20/1771 Matthew Kinkead and Elizabeth to John Kinkead his father, 174 1/2a part of 334a in Beverly Manor on draft of Christian's Creek, corner Lewis. (No monetary amt in clip) AUG C3-518 12/07/1771 John Kinkead and Elizabeth to John Kinkead Jr., 174 1/2a etc. (No monetary amt in clip). AUG 8/24/1772 DB 21-119 John Kinkead Junr and Ann his wife to Philip Fogle, 50 pounds, 174 1/2a etc. witnesses: Louis Bowyer, Christerfer Graham This is thought to be John Kinkead and Ann Graham. Her father was John Graham who held P&L tract 15 on the Great Calf Pasture. (John the Weaver's land was on P&L tract 18) His 1771 will names wife Elizabeth and children James, Lanty, John, Ann, Jane, Rebecca, Robert, Betty and Florence The will was proved by John Kinkade & John Armstrong In my notes I have that John & Ann married about 1769. I do not know where this came from but it seems reasonable. Daughter Elizabeth m in 1788 Wm Hopkins Grbr Co., son Lanty m Catherine Scott 1798 Bath Co., daughter Sally m James Thompson 1796 Grbr Co, daughter Rebecca m Andrew Kincaid in 1803 Grbr Co.(son of Andrew Kincaid & Mary), son Matthew m Betsy Scott in 1804 Bath Co. They may also have had a son Robert m Ann Elliot 1810 but that has been contested. John/Ann held land on Jackson River 1774-1784. They owned land on Indian Creek Grbr Co. 1774-1797 and on Anthony Creek Grbr Co. 1796-1807. The deed for the last of the Anthony Creek land is the only one Ann does not sign. All of their children eventually move to the Muddy Creek area for at least a little bit of time. Rebecca and her husband Andrew sold their Muddy Creek land soon after purchase (from Francis Kincaid, son of Thomas/Hannah), continuing to live on Anthony Creek until death. There is considerable inter-action between John/Ann's children and those of Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid whose daughter's married sons of Danial Hurrah who held land in Albemarle Co. 1771-1775 near land held by Thomas/Hannah (son of a John) 1765-1771, Matthew/Elizabeth Kincaid 1765-1773, Jean (widow of James Kincaid) 1765-1784, John Kincaid (no wife named) 1764-1768, and Andrew 1764-1769. Thomas/Hannah bought land at the head of the GCP from Hannah's father. This land was next to land owned by Andrew/Jean and William/Eleanor Gay. Although we can not get the children of Thomas/Hannah through vetting, those who research their family are quite certain of their identity. Almost all, including the daughters who m Harrah, have sons named Matthew. Andrew/Mary did not have a son named Matthew nor did their children name children Matthew. Andrew/Mary held Little Calf Pasture land 1765-1777, Jackson River land 1780-1795, near Indian Creek 1796-1798, and Anthony Creek 1793-death in 1810. So yes I agree, we may have at least 2 sets of siblings named John & Andrew but which John Jr is the son of John the Weaver? and which Andrew is brother to which John? Their are 2 contenders each of which has circumstantial evidence for the connection. By the way both John/Ann and John/Margaret have a descendent who is A-1a as do Capt. Wm/Eleanor, Andrew/Mary, and Thomas/Hannah. John of Bath's descendents are Group D. Andrew/Mary and John/Margaret lines both have the marker four 11. The others do not though we don't have a DNA line from Andrew/Jean or Matthew/Elizabeth.. Sue Liedtke . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by JuneLeeMeffordKinkead > John points out that in 2004 I posted that I have Andrew/Mary going to the > Beverley Manor after living in Albemarle, buying land from Robert/Anna > Helena. He also mentions that the Andrew of JtW's Calfpasture land turns > up > in 1776 with wife Jean/Jane, not Mary. > > > AUG 06/20/1770 C3-500(406)@ Robert Kinkead and Anna heleney (Belina) ( ) > to Andrew Kinkead, L- 159 acres in Beverley Manor, part of 334 acres > conveyed to Robert by James Bratton & Elizabeth, 05/01/1763; corner Lewis > and Gibson land. ... Delivered: Andrew Kinkead, November, 1771. > > AUG 08/ /1772 C1-366(A ) Woods vs. Daniel O'Hara and Andrew > Kinkead - Debt. On bond dated 1762, 4th August. Andrew of Albemarle > County. > > AUG 05/18/1773 DB21-253( )@ Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife to Alexander > Gibson L128 10sh, 159 acres, part of 334 acres in Beverley Manor, on some > drafts of Christian's Creek which was conveyed to said Andrew by Robert > Kinkead and Belina his wife by deed the 20th day of June 1770. Wit; > Alexander Thompson, Thomas Tate, ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead, Mary Kinkead. > > I also show the Lunenburg Andrew Kinkead as "of Augusta" when he sells his > land in 1770. Note, that the Lunenberg John Kinkead came from PA. > > It certainly does appear that we have TWO SETS of John/Andrews interacting > with closely held land tracts at the same close dates, and they could be > sons of an earlier generation of John and Andrews, John (JtW)/Elizabeth > and > Andrew Sr./Isabella. > > > > LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (408) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to William Nixon > ... wit: Samull Moore, John Ritchey, John Kinkad > > > > LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (410-11) Nathanial Barksdale of Pr. Edward Co. to > John > Kinkad of Lunenburg County ... L80 ... 600 acres Lunenburg Co., Horsepen > Fork Cub Creek, bounded beginning NE from Robert Riche's corner on the > Ridge between Pr. Edward and Lunenburg Cos, to Wm. Nixon, to old dividing > line, part of larger tract. corner ... south ... corner Alexander > Ritchey's line wit: Samuel Moore, John Ritchey, William Nixon, Recorded > 4 > Aug 1761 Sig Nathl. Barksdale. > > > LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (245) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew > Kinkade > Senior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on > the > waters of Cub Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation > 166 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon South ... Thomas Alexander's > line ... north ... Alexander Richey's corner, thence along his line north > to > Andrew Kinkade junior's corner. ... to the beginning . ... Signed Robert > Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas TH > Harvey. Recorded July 12th 1764 Luninburgh county court. > > > > LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew > Kinkade > Junior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on > the > waters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by > estimation > 126 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas > corner > ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the > beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John > Ritchey, > James Sheaver, Thomas > > > > CHL 02/19/1770 DB-2 (459) Andrew Kinkade Jr. of Augusta Co. to Samuel > Scott of Prince Edward Co. L15.5, 126 acres in Charlotte on the waters of > Cub Creek on a branch called Raccoon. Bounded by the lines of John Thomas > and Alexander Ritchey. All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Wit: > James > Cunningham, Thomas Craig, Joseph Read. Recorded: 03 June 1771 > > > > CHL 01/05/1771 DB-2 (369) . Andrew Kinkade of Charlotte Co. to Edward > Sadler of Prince Edward Co. L35, 166 acres in said Charlotte on a branch > of > Cub Creek called Raccoon branch. Bounded by the lines of Thos Alexander, > Andrew Kinkade Jr. . All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Isabel > Kinkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Charles Hudspeth, Thomas Craig. Recorded: > 07 > Jan 1771 > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June > LeeMeffordKinkead > >> John, >> >> John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved >> together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. >> >> ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought from >> Wm. >> Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 >> acres >> lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 >> acre >> tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John >> Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: >> ... >> as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) >> marked corner. >> >> ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought >> from >> Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 >> acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a >> 520 >> acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. >> John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as >> follows: >> ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed >> (?) >> made corner. >> >> ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew >> Kinkead >> of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 >> acres >> more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of >> Meechim's >> River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John >> Robinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew >> and >> John Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew Kinkead >> and Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead >> >> ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John >> Kinkead >> of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres more >> or >> less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's >> River, >> part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William >> Grayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John >> Kinkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. >> >> >> Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they move >> together >> next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of >> JtW, the >> evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. >> >> Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >> LeeMeffordKinkead >> >>> >>> That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of >>> John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as >>> four or five. >>> >>> The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, >>> Archibald, William and John. >>> >>> James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. >>> Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's >>> verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >>> >>> Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as the >>> son of John/Margaret. >>> Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. >>> >>> William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John >>> Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >>> John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY >>> (probably >>> a second marriage). >>> >>> >>>> From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com >>>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>>> >>>> >>>> Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW (and >>>> it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other >>>> possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted >>>> DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same >>>> person. >>>> >>>> Does anyone disagree with that? >>>> >>>> It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret could >>>> NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. >>>> >>>> Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> John (#241829) >>>> >>>> >>>> > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net >>>> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>>> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 >>>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>> > June >>>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>>> > >>>> > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great >>>> > Calf >>>> > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> >>>> > >>>> > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. is >>>> > to >>>> > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and >>>> > exactly >>>> > 1 >>>> > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to John >>>> > Jr. >>>> > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a >>>> > corner >>>> > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two >>>> > of >>>> > the >>>> > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. >>>> > >>>> > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., and >>>> > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 acres >>>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on >>>> > Calfpasture >>>> > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. >>>> > >>>> > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and >>>> > Elizabeth ( ) >>>> > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 >>>> > acres >>>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. >>>> > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. >>>> > >>>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to >>>> > Mathew >>>> > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's >>>> > corner. >>>> > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. >>>> > >>>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, >>>> > 106 >>>> > acres >>>> > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's part >>>> > of >>>> > said tract. >>>> > >>>> > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to be >>>> > their >>>> > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still >>>> > contend >>>> > is the same man as JtW. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead dated >>>> > July >>>> > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in April, >>>> > 1813. >>>> > Abstract follows: >>>> > >>>> > [excerpt from will] >>>> > >>>> > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert and >>>> > James, >>>> > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to be >>>> > their >>>> > share of my estate, >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -------------------------------------------------- >>>> > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >>>> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM >>>> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by >>>> > June >>>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>>> > >>>> > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to >>>> > > died in >>>> > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a >>>> > > grandson >>>> > > by a >>>> > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. >>>> > > >>>> > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. >>>> > > William >>>> > > but >>>> > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I >>>> > > think he >>>> > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land >>>> > > from >>>> > > John >>>> > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears >>>> > > in 2 >>>> > > other GCP families. >>>> > > >>>> > > Sue Liedtke >>>> > > >>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> >>>> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>>> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM >>>> > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>>> > > Lee >>>> > > MeffordKinkead >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. >>>> > >> William's >>>> > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married >>>> > >> Margaret >>>> > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) >>>> > >> Kinkead, >>>> > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he >>>> > >> married >>>> > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It >>>> > >> should >>>> > >> be >>>> > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" >>>> > >> and >>>> > >> very >>>> > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with >>>> > >> one of >>>> > >> the many others. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >>>> > >> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June >>>> > >>> Lee >>>> > >>> Mefford Kinkead? >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret >>>> > >>> Kinkead >>>> > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being >>>> > >>> the >>>> > >>> spouse >>>> > >>> of William. >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> Thanks, >>>> > >>> John >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>> > >>> project, >>>> > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> ------------------------------- >>>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> > >>> the >>>> > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>> > >> project, >>>> > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>> > >> >>>> > >> www.kincaiddna.org >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> ------------------------------- >>>> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> > >> the >>>> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>> > > project, >>>> > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>> > > >>>> > > www.kincaiddna.org >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > ------------------------------- >>>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> > > the >>>> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>> > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>> > >>>> > www.kincaiddna.org >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------- >>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>>> project, >>>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>>> >>>> www.kincaiddna.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

More records from Lunenburg/Charlotte County, VA: John and Andrew Kinkead lived near and interacted with the family of John Caldwell/Margaret Phillips. http://www.oocities.org/marcuscthomas/thomasheritage.PDF "There is a record of John Thomas of Lunenburg County selling 200 acres to Gideon Thomas on November 10, 1764. This land lay on both sides of Horsepen Fork of Cub Creek and was bounded by the land of Joseph Morton, William Nixon and John Kinkade. This Gideon Thomas is mentioned in connection with another deed, on November 23, 1768, as being from the Province of Georgia and the Parish of St. George. In this transaction he sold to Blassingame Harvey of Charlotte County, 200 acres on Horsepen Creek, bounded by William Nixon, Alexander Ritchey, and John Ford." "Robert Caldwell, a witness of Even Thomas's will was the son of John Caldwell and Margaret Phillips of Derry, Ireland. Robert was married to Mary Logan. John Caldwell with his wife and five children and four brothers'-inlaw, Moore (Moor), Ritchey (Ritchie), and Dougherty and other relatives and Presbyterian friends landed at New Castle, Delaware on December 10, 1727. They made their way through Chester County, Pennsylvania into the portion which became Lancaster County in 1728." John Caldwell was the Elder of the Chestnut Level Presbyterian Church in Drumore Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania prior to the move south. They eventually settled at Cub Creek, in Charlotte County, Virginia. John Caldwell died in October, 1751. The Pickens, Caldwell, Stewart, and Logan families, among others were allied." Dennis sent this land record: LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade Junior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the waters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 126 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas corner ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Dennis House Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:59 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by JuneLeeMeffordKinkead John points out that in 2004 I posted that I have Andrew/Mary going to the Beverley Manor after living in Albemarle, buying land from Robert/Anna Helena. He also mentions that the Andrew of JtW's Calfpasture land turns up in 1776 with wife Jean/Jane, not Mary. AUG 06/20/1770 C3-500(406)@ Robert Kinkead and Anna heleney (Belina) ( ) to Andrew Kinkead, L- 159 acres in Beverley Manor, part of 334 acres conveyed to Robert by James Bratton & Elizabeth, 05/01/1763; corner Lewis and Gibson land. ... Delivered: Andrew Kinkead, November, 1771. AUG 08/ /1772 C1-366(A ) Woods vs. Daniel O'Hara and Andrew Kinkead - Debt. On bond dated 1762, 4th August. Andrew of Albemarle County. AUG 05/18/1773 DB21-253( )@ Andrew Kinkead and Mary his wife to Alexander Gibson L128 10sh, 159 acres, part of 334 acres in Beverley Manor, on some drafts of Christian's Creek which was conveyed to said Andrew by Robert Kinkead and Belina his wife by deed the 20th day of June 1770. Wit; Alexander Thompson, Thomas Tate, ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead, Mary Kinkead. I also show the Lunenburg Andrew Kinkead as "of Augusta" when he sells his land in 1770. Note, that the Lunenberg John Kinkead came from PA. It certainly does appear that we have TWO SETS of John/Andrews interacting with closely held land tracts at the same close dates, and they could be sons of an earlier generation of John and Andrews, John (JtW)/Elizabeth and Andrew Sr./Isabella. LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (408) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to William Nixon ... wit: Samull Moore, John Ritchey, John Kinkad LUN 08/01/1761 DB-6 (410-11) Nathanial Barksdale of Pr. Edward Co. to John Kinkad of Lunenburg County ... L80 ... 600 acres Lunenburg Co., Horsepen Fork Cub Creek, bounded beginning NE from Robert Riche's corner on the Ridge between Pr. Edward and Lunenburg Cos, to Wm. Nixon, to old dividing line, part of larger tract. corner ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line wit: Samuel Moore, John Ritchey, William Nixon, Recorded 4 Aug 1761 Sig Nathl. Barksdale. LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (245) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade Senior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the waters of Cub Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 166 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon South ... Thomas Alexander's line ... north ... Alexander Richey's corner, thence along his line north to Andrew Kinkade junior's corner. ... to the beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas TH Harvey. Recorded July 12th 1764 Luninburgh county court. LUN 07/11/1764 DB-? (246) Robert Ritchey of Luningburg to Andrew Kinkade Junior of same ... L27.10 ... one certain tract or parcel of land .. on the waters of Cubb Creek on a branch called the Racoon containing by estimation 126 acres ... bounded beginning on the Racoon North ... John Thomas corner ... south ... corner Alexander Ritchey's line SE ... NE ...to the beginning . ... Signed Robert Ritchey, Margaret Ritchey wit: John Ritchey, James Sheaver, Thomas CHL 02/19/1770 DB-2 (459) Andrew Kinkade Jr. of Augusta Co. to Samuel Scott of Prince Edward Co. L15.5, 126 acres in Charlotte on the waters of Cub Creek on a branch called Raccoon. Bounded by the lines of John Thomas and Alexander Ritchey. All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Thomas Craig, Joseph Read. Recorded: 03 June 1771 CHL 01/05/1771 DB-2 (369) . Andrew Kinkade of Charlotte Co. to Edward Sadler of Prince Edward Co. L35, 166 acres in said Charlotte on a branch of Cub Creek called Raccoon branch. Bounded by the lines of Thos Alexander, Andrew Kinkade Jr. . All appurtenances. Signed: Andrew Kinkade, Isabel Kinkade, Wit: James Cunningham, Charles Hudspeth, Thomas Craig. Recorded: 07 Jan 1771 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis House" <dhouse95@earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:44 AM To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June LeeMeffordKinkead > John, > > John and Andrew of the 1770 deeds appear to be brothers, as they moved > together, both in Albemarle and Augusta counties. > > ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-013( ) Deed Bk. 4. John Kinkead farmer, bought from > Wm. > Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 acres > lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a 520 acre > tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. John > Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as follows: ... > as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) > marked corner. > > ALB 10/11/1764 DB4-016( ) Deed Bk. 4. Andrew Kinkead farmer, bought from > Wm. Grayson and his wife Anna, planters, for 20 Pounds, an estimated 100 > acres lying in the county of Albemarle and Parish of St. Ann, part of a > 520 > acre tract of land patented for (Col. Chiswell) by him conveyed unto Mr. > John Robinson, Esq. on the branches of Meechum's River. Bounded as > follows: > ... as far on that line as Andrew and John Kincade hath already agreed (?) > made corner. > > ALB 07/23/1769 DB5-057( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. Andrew > Kinkead > of the County of Albemarle, sells to Thomas Smith Sen. for L 40, 100 acres > more or less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of > Meechim's > River, part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed to William Grayson by John > Robinson, Esq. ... bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and > John Kinkead ... claims and covenants whatever of the said Andrew Kinkead > and Mary his wife ... Signed: Andrew Kinkead > > ALB 08/ /1769 DB?-109( ) Deed Bk. ?. Vol. ?, Film 0030226. John Kinkead > of the County of Albemarle, sells to Abner Wood for L 36, 100 acres more > or > less, lying and being in Albemarle County, on a branch of Meechim's River, > part of a tract of 520 acres conveyed by John Robinson Esq. to William > Grayson. bounded ... a north corner on a line made by Andrew and John > Kinkead ... Signed: John Kinkead. > > > Since John(/Margaret?) and Andrew/Mary seem to be brothers, and they move > together > next in 1770 to live adjacent to two other brothers, and known sons of > JtW, the > evidence is "almost" compelling that all four could be sons of JtW. > > Almost. It's maddening not to be able to put in the final nail. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "John Kinkead" <johnkinkead@hotmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:12 AM > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June > LeeMeffordKinkead > >> >> That being said, to perhaps further confuse the issue, at least two of >> John/Margaret's children married in Bath County and perhaps as many as >> four or five. >> >> The sons named in John/Margaret's will are Thomas, James, Joseph, >> Archibald, William and John. >> >> James married Jean Curry in 1791 in Bath by Rev. John Montgomery. >> Archibald married Nancy Quarles in 1792 in Woodford County, KY. He's >> verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >> >> Joseph married Nancy Dickenson in 1795 in Bath. He's verifiable as the >> son of John/Margaret. >> Thomas married Susannah Hull before 1800, location unknown. >> >> William married Elizabeth Fawcett in 1804 in Bath by Rev. John >> Montgomery. He's verifiable as the son of John/Margaret. >> John married Lucy Woodson Railey in 1819 in Woodford County, KY (probably >> a second marriage). >> >> >>> From: johnkinkead@hotmail.com >>> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 04:34:18 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> LeeMeffordKinkead >>> >>> >>> Dennis, I'm given to understand that *IF* I am descended from JtW (and >>> it appears that is a very real possibility, although there are other >>> possibilities as well), then given my DNA results and those of vetted >>> DNA descendents of JoB, that would preclude them from being the same >>> person. >>> >>> Does anyone disagree with that? >>> >>> It seems to me that in order for JtW = JoB, then my John/Margaret could >>> NOT be the son of JtW and is another John/Margaret altogether. >>> >>> Maybe someone with more DNA understanding could weigh in. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> John (#241829) >>> >>> >>> > From: dhouse95@earthlink.net >>> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:38:50 -0500 >>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>> > >>> > << as I think he is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf >>> > Pasture land from John the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. >> >>> > >>> > Yes, and probably JtW's son as well, as the record is for John Sr. is >>> > to >>> > John Jr. and deeded exactly 1 day before a deed to Andrew, and exactly >>> > 1 >>> > year before he deeds land to sons James and Mathew. The deed to John >>> > Jr. >>> > shares a corner with known son Mathew (d. 1775), and Andrew shares a >>> > corner >>> > with known son James. It's too bad the word son is missing from two of >>> > the >>> > deeds, as it would clear up a lot. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/20/1770 C3-504(536) Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead, Sr., and >>> > Elizabeth ( ) to John Kinkead, Jr., L40, 88 acres, part of 530 acres >>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk 10/17/54, on >>> > Calfpasture >>> > River; corner Mathew Kinkead. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/21/1770 C3-503(495)# Deed book 16. John ( ) Kinkead and >>> > Elizabeth ( ) >>> > to Andrew Kinkead, L40, 106 acres on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 >>> > acres >>> > conveyed to John Kinkead by John Kinkead, clerk, 17th October, 1754. >>> > Delivered: Jno. Kinkead, 21st February, 1776. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(383)# John ( ) Kinkead and Elizabeth ( ) to >>> > Mathew >>> > Kinkead, his son, L40, 230 acres on Great Calfpasture, said Andrew's >>> > corner. >>> > Delivered: David Kinkead, August, 1784. >>> > >>> > AUG 08/20/1771 C3-513(387)# Same to James Kinkead, their son, L40, 106 >>> > acres >>> > on Great Calfpasture, part of 530 acres; corner Andrew Kinkead's part >>> > of >>> > said tract. >>> > >>> > and of course the entry about "what they have already have got to be >>> > their >>> > share of my estate" in the 1801 will of John of Bath, who I still >>> > contend >>> > is the same man as JtW. >>> > >>> > >>> > BAT 07/02/1801 WB-1 ( ) Film 0030602. Will of John Kinkead dated >>> > July >>> > 2nd, 1801, was presented and proved in court at Bath County in April, >>> > 1813. >>> > Abstract follows: >>> > >>> > [excerpt from will] >>> > >>> > ITEM: I will and bequeath unto my four sons, Andrew, John, Robert and >>> > James, >>> > five dollars each together with what they have already have got to be >>> > their >>> > share of my estate, >>> > >>> > >>> > -------------------------------------------------- >>> > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> >>> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 10:22 AM >>> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] [SPAM]Re: Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> > LeeMeffordKinkead >>> > >>> > > The John and Margaret with son William (wife Elizabeth) refered to >>> > > died in >>> > > 1817 naming 6 adult children (including an Archibald) and a grandson >>> > > by a >>> > > deceased daughter so he wouldn't be the John b 1784. >>> > > >>> > > "Our Kentucky Home" suggests this John may be a nephew to Capt. >>> > > William >>> > > but >>> > > I think perhaps a brother or cousin might be better age wise as I >>> > > think he >>> > > is the John with wife Margaret who bought Great Calf Pasture land >>> > > from >>> > > John >>> > > the Weaver in 1770 and sold it in 1785. The name Archibald appears >>> > > in 2 >>> > > other GCP families. >>> > > >>> > > Sue Liedtke >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "Bill Kinkead" <mbkinkead@cox.net> >>> > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> >>> > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:39 AM >>> > > Subject: [SPAM]Re: [KINCAID] Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry by June >>> > > Lee >>> > > MeffordKinkead >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> Page 35 of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry", notes that Capt. >>> > >> William's >>> > >> son, John, was born 12/25/1784, and on 3/22/1809, he married >>> > >> Margaret >>> > >> Trotter Blackburn. They had a son William, William Bury (Berry) >>> > >> Kinkead, >>> > >> born 12/31/1809. He married Elizabeth Wickliff. Subsequently, he >>> > >> married >>> > >> Elizabeth Fontaine Shelby. No further "evidence" is given. >>> > >> >>> > >> This seems to match the "William" in the question below. It should >>> > >> be >>> > >> remembered that The Kinkead family has a leaning toward "William" >>> > >> and >>> > >> very >>> > >> often, the particular one in question seems to get confused with >>> > >> one of >>> > >> the many others. >>> > >> >>> > >> William Kinkead, (Sixth after Capt. William) >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Aug 3, 2012, at 8:03 AM, John Kinkead wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Does anyone own a copy of "Our Kentucky Pioneer Ancestry" by June >>> > >>> Lee >>> > >>> Mefford Kinkead? >>> > >>> >>> > >>> It's cited as a source that William Kinkead, son of John/Margaret >>> > >>> Kinkead >>> > >>> of Woodford County was married to an Elizabeth. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I'm curious to know what evidence is given for Elizabeth being the >>> > >>> spouse >>> > >>> of William. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Thanks, >>> > >>> John >>> > >>> >>> > >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > >>> project, >>> > >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ------------------------------- >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> > >>> the >>> > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > >> project, >>> > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > >> >>> > >> www.kincaiddna.org >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> ------------------------------- >>> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> > >> the >>> > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > > project, >>> > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > > >>> > > www.kincaiddna.org >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> > >>> > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA >>> > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> > >>> > www.kincaiddna.org >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >>> >>> www.kincaiddna.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >> www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Kincaid listers, I have created a file in the Orphan Lineages for James Kinkead of West Pennsboro, Cumberland County, PA in conjunction with the lineage of James W. (Woodburn) Kinkaid of Cumberland County, PA, later of Westmoreland County, PA, who died in Hancock County, IL, in 1862. This file comprises the information on both lineages in the hope that a living descendant of one of James Kinkeads sons can be found. There are many descendants of this family and the odds are good that a male descendant can be found. This file, it is hoped, may provide the information that a Kincaid researcher may find useful in connecting these lineages. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Orphan%20Lineages/james%20kinkead%20of%20west%20pennsboro,%20cumberland%20county,%20pa.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/Kincaid%20Orphan%20Lineages/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kincaide/Kincaid%20Research/ Sincerely Norman Kincaide