In a message dated 02/04/2000 12:05:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, PamChowdr2@aol.com writes: << Joseph was the 3rd child born to J. Michael and Esther (Asper) Kimmel. >> Aackk! I just realized that my Joseph is the 4th child and not the 3rd. I give up. I'm going back to bed! <g> ~ Pamela