Hi all... >>>Remember Linda °Ü°s posting of Rudolf Shafer's list of Kimmels? It turns out it's a generation by generation listing. Johann Michael's grandfather Konrad is missing from the list and that caused a problem figuring it out. Fortunately I had Dr. Herman Kümmell's report to compare to. Here is how Shafer's list compares to the lineage for Johann Michael from Dr. Kümmell's work: 1) DILMANUS KUMEL is listed as a student at Erfurt 2) LUDWIG KOMEL (c1420 Neukirchen) is (a. Ludwig) 3) HEN KOMEL, DER ALT (c1450 Neukirchen) is (b. Old Hen) His brother is (c. Ludwig) 4) HEN KOMMELL, DER JUNG (c1470 Neukirchen) is (d. Young Hen) His brother is (e. Reitz) 5) HENRICH KOMEL (1493 Neukirchen) is (f. Henrich) His brother is (g. Ambrose) His brother Ambrose's son is (j. Lot) 6) LUDWIG KOEMMEL (c1515 Neukirchen) is (h. Ludwig) His brother is (i. Henry) 7) ECKART KUMMELL (1540s Neukirchen) is (m. Echart) His brothers are (k. Conrad) and (l. Jost) His brother Conrad's sons are (n. John) and (o. Helwigk) Sons of (n. John) are (t. Jonas), (u. Phillip), and probably (v. Josh) Sons of (t. Jonas) are (ff. Casper Milchoir) and (gg. Mathais) Sons of (o. Helwigk) are (w. Reinhard) and (x. Conrad) His brother Jost's son is (p. Daniel) Son of (p. Daniel) is (y. Reinhard) 8) KONRAD KUMMELL (1583 prob. Nidda) is (s. Conrad) His brothers are (q. Eberhardt) and (r. Rudolf) His brother Eberhardt's sons are (z. Conrad), (aa. Herman), (bb. John), (cc. Balthasar) and (dd. Christopher) Son of (bb. John) is (hh. John Helfrich) 9) KONRAD KÜMMELL (1610 Oppenheim) is missing in the list 10) HANS KONRAD KÜMMELL (1635 Oppenheim) is (ee. Hans Conrad) 11) JOHANN MICHAEL KÜMMELL/KIMMEL (1662 Alsheim) is (ii. John Michel) His brother is (jj. John George) ============================ >>>And remember me asking about Dr. Bill Thompson who was doing research in Gimbsheim in the 1970s? I finally located him in Hawaii. When he can get to his paperwork in Virginia (sometime in May), he'll be sending me copies of papers from his research. We'll soon learn about Johann Michael's life as Dr. Thompson understands it from the local Gimbsheim town records themselves. --Tim in Fort Wayne ====================