Pam - I recently printed out a kinship report for my brother and sister and have come to realize that in addition to being descended from Generation 4 Jacob b. 1757, we appear also to be descended from Generation 4 David b. 1763. This connection is through our grandmother, Ida Alice Meyers Kimmel (1866 - 1956), d/o Nancy Beechley Meyers (1847 - 1934), d/o John Beechly (1818 - 1886), s/o Susanna Kimmel Beeghly (1793 - 1858), d/o David Kimmel (1763 - 1827). Jacob shows on the kinship report as our 3rd great grandfather, while David is our 4th great grandfather. Their father, Philip Kimmel, Jr. (1724 - 1796) is both our 4th and 5th great grandfather. Janet Christie