--------------D347A3EFEEC522440E6EEC19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've posted a better version of the timeline at http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/Spec-Stonycreek.htm for H. Austin Cooper's book '"Two Centuries of Brothersvally Church of the Brethren." The bracketed notes I had inserted in the first version was likely to be misleading, so I added more text from the book and separated other comments in a way to make it obvious they were my clarifications and not part of the book's text. I also added the second page from Edward Morgan's account of Stonycreek for which a copy of those pages of the manuscript appears in Cooper's book. The second version also has Cooper's credit to the Athenaeum Library in Boston for the loan of the Morgan Edwards manuscript. This is apparently where one can find the original manuscript. If you printed out the earlier version, you should probably replace it with this one so everyone is referring to exactly the same text in our discussions. I'm obviously going to have to get a copy of the Morgan Edwards manuscript. I'm certain that when Morgan Edwards wrote about Rev. George Adam Martin: "In the year 1762 he adopted the sentiments of the seventhday Baptists, and preached at Bermudian. From thence he went to Stonycreek this year." that by "this year" Edwards was referring to 1770, the year the manuscript was written, and not the 1762, the year Martin started preaching at Bermudian. Otherwise, Edwards would have written "that year" or "the same year." The membership list would be as of 1770 and not 1762, regardless of when Martin went to Stonycreek or when the congregation was officially organized; Edwards didn't say they were "original" members or members as of some earlier date, just that the "seventeen persons are baptized and may be considered constituents of this church." I acknowledge I'm assuming this without having seen the rest of the manuscript to see how the Stonycreek section relates to the rest and without having seen any of Edwards' other works -- including his assertion that Philip Kimmel married a daughter of William Knepper, (the reference from Emmert Bittinger that Jan Tompkins shared with us. Jan--do you think Emmert Bittinger might be mistaken about Philip Kimmel having married a daughter of William Knepper? Edwards in the manuscript referred to by Cooper writes that it was Elder Martin who "married one of the Knippers." ) Cooper's assertion that all of the member's at Stonycreek were there at 1762 appears to rest entirely on his interpretation of this one paragraph from Edwards' manuscript. Nothing else Cooper presents documents that any of the seventeen members other than Henry Roth/Rhoads were there by 1762. Evidence offered only prove that most of the members were there by 1770 and, in a couple cases, prove some were elsewhere in between these dates. --Tim Kimmel (Am I being a troublemaker? First I take issue with General Anthony Kimmel's account of the arrival in America of Philip Kimmel Sr and sons, and now I pick on H. Austin Co